Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>51994052
I've been meaning to play a Tanuki but I don't know what class to play. I want to do something more than 'elusive shapechanger'

>>51994052
>PS: Avowed is eating a big nerf soon.

It's already happened, anon.
It was terrible for everyone.

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Hey there /pfg/, I'm a semi-experienced, casual and laid back GM that's looking to run some AP material for you. Thing is, I don't know what to run. I know what rules I'll want to run, to keep it simple for myself: Paizo only, 25 PB, anti-feat tax, with elements negotiable if it fits backstories/is cool.

I'm open to ideas, even 3pp APs, but there's there's a few things I don't think I'll run:

>Iron Gods
First AP I tried to run, we dumped it because it turned out to be kind boring for us.

>Rise of the Runelords
Man, Nualia is the most retarded villain.

>Jade Regent
My current group is running through it.

Ideal game time would be any day that isn't Monday or Wednesday, around 7 PM EST.

Lewd welcome.

So I was designing a NE anti-paladin archetype centered around the idea of having a chalice you feed souls to.

You feed souls to the chalice and get crystallized souls, you then use these crystals for buffing your spell casting. The power of a crystal is based on the HD of the thing you fed to it. All of the archetype's spell casting now can be enhanced in a number of ways with the crystals (higher CL, better range, spontaneously add metamagic, etc), and high end crystals can be used to cast spells above 4th level from a small list.

The crystals can also be used to self buff as well with a series of scaling profane bonuses based on the strength of the crystal. The variety of bonuses would be similar to that of the Inquisitor's judgement.

This all replaces Smite Good and alters Spellcasting.

Now on the other end your fiendish bond is with the chalice. One part of it is with a spirit that lives in the chalice and you can summon and control for a limited amount of time. The other part is being able to use chalice to drink from it to do things. Some of the examples are any water put into the chalice can be transformed into Unholy Water, it can produce water endlessly, you can reach inside of it to pull out some objects like you used minor creation, etc.

The spirit's form would have to be decided when you get the ability to summon it, then scale along a predetermined path for its abilities. I have thought about whether it would be too much to allow further customization as the anti-paladin levels.

Touch of corruption generally stays the same, except that anything that dies within a few rounds of you using touch of corruption on it automatically turns into a crystal rather than having to do a ritual after combat.

Does this sound too dumb?

The main thing this archetype forces you to do as a character is carry around a chalice. Though I guess it is not that different than a magus carrying around his Black Blade.

>>51994052
If you gestalt two spherecasting classes, do you gain both spellpools as one, or would you only use the largest since it's basically the same class feature therefore doesn't stack?

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What are good feats for a witch?

>>51994080
Curse of the Crimson Throne is fun on a bun.

Hell's vengeance or another evil game might be interesting as well.

>>51994099
The one that boosts the DC of your abilities by +2

>>51994093
Ask your DM.

There's massive amounts of ways it could go, and only a DM can say if one is right or wrong.

You could stack spell points and magic talents.

You could stack one but not the other.

You could stack neither.

Personally, my view is for neither to stack, but it's entirely up to your DM.

>>51994111
Would you happen to know the name of it?

>>51994099
Witches are great as debuffers. Besides the standard caster feats (spell focus/improved spell focus/metamagic/etc) you'll need to look into Extra Hex, Split Hex, Accursed Hex, Split Major Hex

>>51994135
Ability focus

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/monster-feats/ability-focus/

>>51994135
Ability Focus.

>>51994150
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/monster-feats/ability-focus/
Unfortunately you have to choose a hex each time for this. Choose Evil Eye or Misfortune as they are your work horses.

>>51994080
Curse of the Crimson Throne has been mysterious absent from the /pfg/ line-up despite being the most /pfg/ AP I can think of.

I bet if you waited for Ironfang Invasion you could get players like mad though.

>>51994162
You don't even need Evil Eye to work, do you?

On a pass it still works for one round, which is enough for Cackle to start working.

>>51994170
That means you have to stand still if they pass the save until you get the blouse that lets you cackle as a swift action.

>>51994169
I don't think I could live up to the hype of a new AP, people shouldn't expect something extraordinaire out of me. Curse of the Crimson throne seems to be what the people want though, and that's something I can probably provide.

>>51994184
Eh, that's not that big of a deal.

I'd use Ability Focus on something that they actually need to fail.

>>51994223
Misfortune should be it then.

That shit saves parties man.

>>51994223
Seconding what >>51994264 said, Misfortune is a lifesaver thanks to how fucking broad of a benefit "enemies roll twice and take the worse result" is.

>>51994310
A properly build witch at level 1 goes for:
>Evil Eye
>Misfortune
>Shaken (via intimidate)
>Sickened (via ray of sickening)

Gives a total -6 to hit, roll twice and take worse.

Witches at low levels are devastating debuffers. Grab Bruising Intellect for Int to Intimidate.

>>51994105
>>51994169
I've been doing a CoCT game for a month or two now, it just didn't have a big public Roll 20 listing.

>>51994052
Further update on Avowed nerfs. This one might also hit some builds hard.
Celestial Pact will be losing its Constitution to saving throw DCs (and the Betrothed and Aspirant versions will be losing their Constitution-to-X, as well). This pushed their DCs far beyond what we'd intended, and was a (less than ideal) fix for what was perceived as a MAD issue as they'd need to focus more on Con than other characters. Instead, it made them premier debuffers, which was not the intended role of the pact. Now that Avowed trend more towards being two to three stat dependent, we're less worried about this concern, especially as Heavenly Body and its equivalents should be enough to push their attack rolls to the point that they can afford a higher Charisma score (or Constitution score, should you take Heart of Aether/Magic).

That said, we're not going to leave you out in the cold, and I've got plans for a debuff-focused subpact of the Celestial pact for people whose playstyle and concept had been tied to that.

>>51994393

Take a look at
>>51994143

No gear + no iteratives makes basic pulse a sad boy

>>51994453
The basic pulse isn't intended to be viable as a primary means of doing damage, so much as an emergency option when your standard operating procedure doesn't work - like a charger barbarian's backup longbow. If you want to focus on them, I suggest the Aether Skirmisher feat.

>>51994393
As an outside perspective on this, I feel the Spirited Swordsmanship removal was too much of a knee jerk reaction to a vocal minority, and it's very sad to see it's not staying in some form.

What do you feel were the main problems that it created?

>>51994484
You're missing the point.
Part of the balancing act's troubles is that you've got massive, massive multipliers due to a problem nearly identical to "single attack strikes" in PoW. This is also why everyone flocks to barrage.

The basic pulse not being a viable source of damage is fine and understandable; but over the course of levelling the base value that everything is built on shrinks to barely 22% of its original effectiveness.

That means every single non-weapon-loaded shape is stuck having to find a way to multiply the base's values by five BEFORE we even consider optimization.

Which is the kind of calculation that in earlier betas caused the immense disparity between "have" and "have not" on overcharge and steel's betrayal.

Everything is based on the basic pulse values. At level 3 they're amazing, but HP grows at an increasing rate with levels/CR, vastly vastly outpacing +3.5 points of damage every other level

>>51994393

My concern with going two-three stat dependent is that it might make DCs on your clauses too low to reasonable affect enemies as you can't use the same stat for actually 'Attacking' as you can using clauses.

It seems like the easiest/best way to build avowed now is just 'Monofocus Str/Dex, ignore Cha' as most of the best attacks use attack rolls rather than saves.

>>51994533
The feat was created because we had concerns about the class being too MAD, and MADness in general. Our viewpoints have shifted, since then, to a rather more moderate position. While there were a number of potential solutions to the problem, the simplest one was just to remove Spirited Swordsmanship, rather than fiddling with feat exclusivity or trying to accommodate for more Noble Scion-alikes.

>>51994558
Damage increases by 7 per level with an AoE shape, and goes up to 7 per level at 8th and 10.5 per level at 15th. Things will be tuned appropriately from there. We're not pretending they're done, but we're going to keep working on it.

>>51994579
As the Inquisitor, Investigator, and Bard manage with 3-stat dependency and are considered to be some of the most well-written of Paizo's classes, as single attribute dependency had become a serious problem, due to the existence of Altered Life/Unnatural Resilience/Heart of Aether/Heart of Magic making it easy to reduce a build to solely two stat dependent, and FINALLY due to the option of making a build that entirely ignores attack rolls... we're not super concerned about that.

>>51994609
elaborating slightly on the third point, yes, a purely DPR focused build doesn't want Charisma as much. However, they will also be less effective as a debuffer as a result. A single character being good at everything isn't the result we want.

Thanks for the Witch help

>>51994609
>due to the existence of Altered Life/Unnatural Resilience/Heart of Aether/Heart of Magic making it easy to reduce a build to solely two stat dependent

I still don't really get why removing Spirited Swordsmanship was the solution here when the initial Altered Life problem came from acknowledging the impact of a feat from DSP, something which you already tried to cut away from by making a conscious decision to not balance with Path of War in mind.

The existence of Altered Life in a game that might allow FFS but not other DSP also heavily alters the SAD of pure caster classes who can now qualify for the feat with Reborn, as well.

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>>51994619

It still seems as though the avowed makes for too good a one-level dip. For the price of a single level and a trait (Magical Knack), any weapon-user can add +2d6 damage to all of their attacks (aether channel/aether rounds) and gain hidden knowledge (+6 untyped to all Knowledge skills and use them untrained) or silver tongue (+6 untyped to Bluff, Diplomacy, and Intimidate). That is surprisingly strong compared to Paizo's other one-level dips.

>>51994609
>Our viewpoints have shifted, since then, to a rather more moderate position.

Has it shifted over time or because too many people on pfg complained at once over the past two weeks

>>51994718
Hidden Knowledge should probably scale with level, maybe +3 at first the +6 at level 5 and beyond.

Skill check DCs are too delicate in the early stages of the game.

>>51994718
>>51994735
We have no problem with Silver Tongue or Hidden Knowledge's sizable bonus. They were part of what made 3.5e's Warlock such an appealing class, both as a dip and in full.

That said, we'll look into the aether channel problems at low levels.

>>51994754
3.5 warlock didn't give you +6 to hugely important skills ON TOP OF the big damage boost.

>>51994757
Warlock had shit damage, period. It only seemed high when the Wizard or CoDZilla was pretending that warlocks and psions were overpowered because INSANE DICE and ALL DAY.

>>51994754

I will agree with the others. A large, static bonus makes it a really good dip and also kinda dull (As it doesn't scale at all).

I mean, Hidden Knowledge blows the ever loving hell out of Bardic Knowledge until level 12 when they become equal.

It would likely be better if it scaled, rather than being static.

>>51994609

Heya, I was planning to run a 2-3 session game this Sunday where each player is a different type of avowed/vigilante gestalt:

Do you think I should encourage all the players to apply all the nerfs you've said at the moment, run it as the latest pdf says without nerfs, or potentially delay the game for a week to see what happens?

I mostly want to decide based on how firmly set you think the changes you've announced are.

So eldritch archer is such a step away from the normal magus and its other archetypes. I want to build one. Has anyone posted/made any guides that you would recomend?

>>51994796
The changes are pretty static, but many of them are incomplete and not finalized. I'd personally run it without nerfs until they're released, but be ready to adjust your encounters once the nerfs come in.

>>51994052
Tanuki? What? Is this new stuff that came in the Blood of the Beast book?

>>51994844

Thank you for the advice!

>>51994864
They're one of the Kitsune subraces currently being playtested in Dreamscarred's Bloodforge: Infusions. (And one of my contributions to the book.)

>>51994833
For Eldritch Archer? No. But I imagine all the Magus guides that outline how to make a good Dex Magus apply equally to Eldritch Archers, just replace the feats with Archery staples ala PBS, Rapid and Multishot, etc.

>>51994978
Thanks, sadly my gm prefers 1pp but that sounds interesting

>>51994988
Rapid shot seems to be a waste cause ranges spell strike, ranged spell combat, and a simple acid splash replicates that. I am not sure how Many shot interacts with this combo.

As a side note can you combine many shot and rapid shot? I have yet to play an archer or ranged character so I am not familiar with these feats.

>>51995043
>>51994988
Can you combine spell combat, spell strike, and rapid shot? Normaly spell strike and spell combat gets you a spell and 2 arrows at -2 each and adding rapid fire makes it an additional -2 for -4 for all 3 arrow attacks?

>>51995043
>>51995099
>rapid shot is a waste because spellstrike
You're not always going to be spellstriking. At some point, you're going to run out of spell slots or you're going to want to conserve them, and you'll likely be full-attacking with your bow.

That, and you can still do normal Magus Spell Combat tricks where you can cast a spell in your full attack, although yes your overall penalty would be -4.

>>51995372
>you're not always going to be spellstriking
ray of frost, acid splash

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>>51995383
That still doesn't negate the fact that Rapid Shot stacks with Spell Combat.

>>51995397
Rapid shot gets you two arrow damages at -2 for each attack.

Spell combat, spell strike, and cheap 0 spells gets you one spell damage, and 2 arrow damages at -2 for the two attacks.

Spell combat, spell strike, rapid, and cheap 0 spell gets you 1 spell and 3 arrows at -4 for the 3 attacks.

The third combo does not seem worth it to get a 3rd arrow.

>Gm has 0 hrs logged
>Weeks since he made contact
>Applications thread is a ghost town
Taldor ascendant is bamboozle isnt it?

>>51995432
The only way I see rapid shot being usefull is that it is needed for Many shot.

Spellstrike,spell combat, 0 spell, many shot get you spell and 2 arrows with one attack at -2, another arrow at -2 cause spell combat, and iteratives at -2 and stuff.

>>51995434
took you that long to realize?

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>>51995432
>>51995500
>being this wrong
A level 3 Tiefling Magus could easily have 12 Strength, 18 Dex and 16~ Int. If they take the Arcane Accuracy Arcana and make their full-attack within 30ft of the opponent they'd be able to make all their attacks at +6, presuming they have a Masterwork Composite Longbow. Even without using arcane accuracy, they'd still be attacking for +3. You can further boost that with things like a Bracer of Falcon's Aim, which is only 4000gp.

>>51994052
Now there's a fluffy tail I'd like to touch.

>>51995510
I am not counting or calculating the overall attack bonus. Just the penalties as the cost of doing such an action. So I am still correct in that regards.

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>>51995571
>shifting goalposts
>I'm going to disregard a core class mechanic to make my argument not shit
Looking at it from your point of view, power attack is hot garbage.

>>51995510
Bracers got shit on, they only let you use Aspect of the Falcon for 1 minute 1/day now.

>>51995591
But I never shifted my stance and stayed consistent in my statements?

Also in my mind power attack is is good because for a penalty for that attack you get increased damage and furious focus then negates it. Two handing increases this boon for every attack. The rapid, spell combat, spell strike combo does get you another attack but it does not increase damage for the individual attacks and it decrease their attack bonus.

So in a way if you are to look at the ranged guy with this combo and someone with power attack, I would see that the power attack guy has more damage potential with less attack punishment. So overall doing spellstrike, spell combat combo with out rapid shot might be the better combo.

Tfw fluffy 2 died after i got accepted

Feels pretty bad. It was kinda cancer, but it was a game in a desert

>>51995751
The argument is 'Is rapid shot worth it?'

You said it wasn't because the to-hit cost is too steep for an extra attack.

That's disengenuous when you choose to ignore everything else, because then there's no context by which to compare it to and you therefore create a scenario that's impossible for me to argue against - shifting the goalposts.

Power attack is -1 to-hit for +2 (+3 while two-handing). But that's only going to be one attack, if we go back to my level 3 scenario. An Eldritch Archer is taking -4 for an average gain of about 9.5 damage, so while the Power Attacking character gets a more efficient trade, it's not necessarily the best for raw damage numbers.

>>51994052
Don't think I've ever played one. I played a Catfolk for one session. Honestly, you degenerates disgust me.

>>51995934
Why not?

Why not combine ranged spell combat, ranged spell strike, rapid shot, and deadly aim? lol

>>51995970
Cha/Dex races are a dime a dozen. And they don't really have any decent place in the world to speak of. No cities to call home, no history to look back on, no anything really. They're just an incredibly cheap fanservice race that very little effort was put into both in fluff and crunch.

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Does rapid shot actually work with spell combat? Rapid shot specifically mentions a full-attack action, whereas spell combat is a specific type of full-round action. Shouldn't it be incompatible, like charging with vital strike?

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>>51995926
I felt bad because I thought the GM was actually looking forwards to it, but then it all just went poof.

Then my hell's vengeance game died.

Maybe I should give up on /pfg/ games?

>>51995929
So lets say we ignore the cantrip spell damage, and we use your example build thingy, can you confidently say that 3 bow attacks at -4 EACH is better than 2 bow attacks at -2 EACH? In my mind I would rather have less attacks at a higher chance to hit than more attacks with less chance to hit. Remember, unlike a normal melee magus who can still hold their charge after a missed hit, a eldritch archer magus will just out right lose the spell if I am correct.

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What would you base the next "animal folk" race off of?

>>51996032
Rapid shot states "When making a full..." so it is not a specific attack but a specific modifier?

>>51996090
Mantis?

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>>51996045
Which characters were yours?

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>>51996045
>>51996172
Process of elimination leads to Nameless Fairy, 2hu's sockpuppet.

>>51996101
>As a full round action
Spell combat is its own action
Full-Attacks are also a specific full-round action
You do one or the other.

Rapid-Shot only activates when making a Full-Attack action. Which spell-combat is not.

>>51996190
2hufag's autistic fixation refuses to let him post normally, it's unlikely to be him.

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>>51996079
>let's say we ignore cantrip spell damage
Fine, that's only like 1.5 of the total average damage anyways.
>can you confidently say that 3 bow attacks at -4 each is better than 2 bow attacks at -2 each.
Yeah, actually. Most CR3 threats have an AC between 14-17, with the average being about 15. Making 3 bow attacks at +6 means each of those attacks will hit about 50% of the time on average, 40% of the time at worst. If you sacrifice your extra attack for +2 to-hit, you're only gaining 10% accuracy, but you're losing out on 1d6+1 damage. Then you're also missing the possibility of rolling a Nat20 on the attack roll you threw out, which is even more damage if you succeed the confirmation roll.

>a magus will lose the spell they miss with.
I don't see that written anywhere in the Eldritch Archer rules, but I could be missing something. Even still, it's not especially relevant, if we're using a cantrip, like you had originally suggested, then missing and losing the spell is not overly punishing.

>>51996191
Is there any conceivable benefit to playing a myrimodon or hidden blade instead of the more conventional full initiators?

I cant really compare it to the polymath and the other 6th caster templates because spells. Meanwhile youre a stabby guy that seems to upgrade himself from mook to named npc.

>>51996191
Magus, Spell Combat: Does spell combat count as making a full attack action for the purpose of haste and {{other effects}}?

Yes.

Edit 9/9/13: This is a revised ruling about how haste interacts with effects that are essentially a full attack, even though the creature isn't specifically using the full attack action (as required by haste). The earlier ruling did not allow the extra attack from haste when using spell combat.

>>51996225
>is there any benefit to playing a...hidden blade?
Yes. Hidden Blade can do some disgusting alpha-strike damage with the Underhanded Rogue talent and a pair of khukris.

>>51996090
Pangolins, as an offical statblock

Make it two divergent phenotypes where one develops magic and adopts a human like appearance and another becomes resistant to magic, adopting a more animalistic appearance.

>>51996079
Yes, because with three attacks you're probably doubling your chances of a critical, and a critical with a longbow does a lot.

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>>51996172
Jianshi Li and Fleur-de-Lys respectively. I was really looking forward to the fluffy game, but ah well.

>>51996190
I did actually ask a couple of questions on behalf of 2hu, it's true. It was part of some advice on phrasing questions better so DMs have less aggravation on dealing with a delightful if sometimes overbearing person.

>>51996079
Except you wouldn't be missing either way, because bows have the most available bonuses and are second only to things that target touch in accuracy in this game.

>>51993873
this shit only works if you plan on being a fighter with weapon training, and don't be something else and trade it out.

even then it doesn't compare to all the strength bonuses you can get with spells.

>>51996217
>most cr threats
not that guy but if you are relying on cr then you are either not being challenged by your dm or you don't know how to play this game at a higher level.

>>51996361
>I did actually ask a couple of questions on behalf of 2hu
>delightful
Confirmed for sockpuppet.

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>>51996443
>tips silly hat

>>51996443
>>51996190
Oh, no you are correct, I thought that was an elf, I was wrong.

>>51994080
No 3pp means no one will be interested.

>>51994080

Ooh! Ooh! Do Serpent's Skull!

>>51996513
speak for yourself.
3pp is what i've been dealing with for years and it's been mostly fine

>>51994080
but unfortunately as long as this shit happens at any time before 1130 pm est I physically can't reliably show up.

>>51994619
It's late, but my opinion on the subject is that instead of removing Cha to attack and damage, is remove all the shapes that allow you to conduct attacks.

The reason that no one complains about the sphere effects that conduct blasts is they can only occur twice a round, once with energy blade, another time with conductive and require a 2 feat tax to full attack while conducting.
>>51996539
You illiterate nigger, he said Paizo only, 3pp is fun, Paizo only is solved and unfun.

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>>51996442
Please see >>51995929
CR is the best metric we have to make whiteroom assessments like this, as it gives us something to quantify our numbers against. I know that most appropriate CR threats will not be a life-or-death struggle for a party of four PCs of even decent optimization, but that's not really what we're examining here.
>your DM is isn't challenging you.
Bullshit. Nowhere is it stated that every encounter must be an epic fight that eats up chunks of party resources. If that's how you choose to run and play your games of pretend, then I hope you have fun, but I happen to prefer something different and a bit closer to how the system draws it up.

In terms of a video game, say Dark Souls, you aren't really challenged by the mooks. Yeah, they can kill you if you're careless or unlucky, but not every fight is Nameless King or Gwyn. Those mooks are your CR appropriate encounters. The bosses are above-CR encounters.

>you don't know how to play at higher level
>you're playing your game of pretend incorrectly REEEEEEEE
There is no 'game' at higher level. Once you get past level 12, PCs are essentially gods with mass reality altering spells, abilites and items with enough wealth to buy out small kingdoms. After that point there should be nothing that poses you a reasonable threat that isn't massively abose your average power level, at least 5+.

>>51996588
>durrr
I know what 3pp means you fucking dumbass, you're the one who can't read

>>51996647
>cr is a broken ruler, but we better use it anyway!
no. fuck you, shut up. the only metric that ever matters is other classes and builds because that level progression and the resulting if applicable disparity is what your dm will actually have to plan around for giving you a fair challenge.

>>51996698
The guy running the campaign here
>>51994080
has said >Paizo only, 25 PB, anti-feat tax, with elements negotiable if it fits backstories/is cool.

>paizo only

You're illiterate because you just said "there's no problem with 3pp" but the GM has said "paizo only".

>>51996719
it was a typo then, It should have read no 3pp

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>>51996708
>the only other metric is other classes
Congratulations, you just made it so that Wizards, Arcanists, and CoDzilla are the only viable options.

You just enforced the status-quo. Good job!

>>51996741

That's implicit when you say, "Paizo Only."

>>51996759
>durrr well i have to be the best
good for you? I've played along side fighters and wizards and things went just fine. shit goes south when your fucking rogue can't keep up with the enemies ac and is always swinging for 20s becuase the class is a broken pile of shit that can't compete, same with monk, same with most 3/4th bab classes that have no access to attack bonus buffing.

what matters is not your fucking tier, what matters is do the enemies statistics allow you to compete at all in the game? therefore, using AC when we are talking about attack bonus from CR creatures is absurd, you have to compare it to equivelant level attack bonus averages because if you actually aren't full of shit or your dm setting you up to fight gainst kittens the AC you face will be close to that number, and very possibly higher if the combatant is expected to have a defensive theme

>>51996763
yes, it's called giving the same answer in it's negative incarnation. It's so fucking common I honestly am not even sure there's a word to grammatically describe what's going on here but I assure you that it is a normal part of the english language.

>>51996829

>I only want pizza tonight
>Can we have pasta?
>No, pizza
>Well you should've specified!

>>51996844
>durrr
you are so stupid you should just kill yourself, the statment and reply is litterally
"I accept pasta only"
"I'm well used to no sauce so I should be fine"

>>51996861

3pp is not the sauce for a pasta dish, it's a separate meal entirely. Sauce would be feats or traits, but we're talking about entire races and classes.

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>>51996872
>Durrr well i dont agree that the analogy makes sense because sauce goes with pasta and
you need to be burned at the fucking stake. heres your (you) you shit posting troll. I should have known better than to think you had any genuine misunderstanding.

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>>51996887

You don't need to say "no 3pp" if you say "Paizo only," that's redundant and extraneous and saying "paizo only, no 3pp" is like repeating the same goddamn thing only with a slight variation.

Do you get what I'm saying? You don't need to say "Paizo only, no 3pp" because that's unnecessary, it's repetitive.

>>51996902
>Durrr
>>51996539
in what part of this post exactly do you see the word "paizo" you fucking waste of human excriment?

>Distorted Clock Stance and Lingering Transformation mean I get triple the duration on my alteration talents if I spend a spellpoint.
>I have the size change talent
>I could roll around as like
>A big ole house-sized wolf

This is fun.

>>51996911

>>51994080
>I know what rules I'll want to run, to keep it simple for myself: Paizo only, 25 PB, anti-feat tax, with elements negotiable if it fits backstories/is cool.

Don't go around calling people idiots when your an idiot too!

>>51996829
>>51996861
>>51996741
>I'm too dumb to read and got something wrong
>when corrected I feel the need to prove I'm not an illiterate retard so I respond defensively
>I'm posting anonymously so the only person who knows the identity of the person who misread that post on an imageboard is myself and it will never be of consequence in the future
>but I feel threatened enough to respond three times

Why do you feel so defensive? Why not just admit to yourself you misunderstood and move on? Have you some complex that forces you need to prove you're right, or is this macho posturing to show you can't be talked down to?

We're all fools here, but there's no need to hide your mistakes. Why not just cut losses and stop speaking about it?

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Tell me, /pfg/, would you a tavernkeeper?

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How do you doll girl in Pathfinder?

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>>51997007
Of course. Especially an elf with an ass as thicc as that.

Would you not?

>>51997007
Does this tavernkeeper mind wolves? Cause she could have a fluffy friend in Rory (a LITERAL WOLF)

>>51997021
Halfling with the Creepy Doll alternate racial trait.

>>51997007
That is no Tavern keeper anon, it's an elf it probably killed and ate the real Tavern keeper.

>>51997021
Promethian alchemist.

Is romance of the three righteous kingdoms around?

>>51997021
>>51997038
>>51997054
Promethean halfling alchemist with the creepy doll trait.

>>51996588
>It's late, but my opinion on the subject is that instead of removing Cha to attack and damage, is remove all the shapes that allow you to conduct attacks.
>remove the coolest part of the warlock in 3.5, and the main part of the class' identity as a gish
wat

>>51997021
>>51997038
Halfling Summoner with the Creepy Doll alternate racial trait. The eidolon is your puppeteer.

>>51997150
The one way the class could conduct attacks was with claw grapple shenanigans that procced off one another to do absurd damage.

I'm all for glaives and whips and chain lightnings, those were hyp as fuck, but I'm talking about removing the ability to punch a nigger blast him with the same attack, and then do it 7 more times that round.

>>51997007
All day and all night. Also I'd call it tapping the keg.

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>>51997007

Is her mom still around?

>>51996443
"Asks questions because someone else is too autistic to ask them politely" =/= sockpuppet, you obsessive fuck. Didn't you get banned from multiple LFGs because you went on a crusade and even made new accounts just to bitch about 2hu? You're pathetic.

>>51997310
Asks questions in a very similar manner and uses 2hu images, raises suspicions of it being the same fucking person. Don't go defending 2hufag, he needs to know he isn't fucking wanted because he actively removes good things from playtest materials.

>>51997310

2hu's autistic mancrush stalker detected.

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>>51997321
>>51997332
Oh I'm sorry, "Say No To 2hu" and "Can We Talk Seriously?", seeing as those were the accounts you got banned from the LFGs with. Did you know other people can post Touhou pictures, or might talk in a static-ish way? Or are you too braindead to consider that?

Oh hey look fucknugget, I'm posting a touhou! I bet I'm a sockpuppet too, ain't that right bitchstick?

>>51997355

Nah, you don't have 2hu's signature autistic writing style. Even without the pics I can recognize 2hu

>>51994052
I never play kitsune.

People don't like it when I eat their livers or consume their bodies since it's not only in character but necessary to use special powers such as shapechange and be a healthy kitsune.

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>>51997321
2Hu has friends who'd support him, can you say the same for yourself, witch-hunt anon?

>>51996647
>There is no 'game' at higher level. Once you get past level 12, PCs are essentially gods with mass reality altering spells, abilites and items with enough wealth to buy out small kingdoms. After that point there should be nothing that poses you a reasonable threat that isn't massively abose your average power level, at least 5+.
This is incorrect. Using the monster role charts makes for a much different monster vs player dynamic than you account for solely using CR.

>>51997407
Friends or not, my cause is righteous.

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>>51997366
Well, you should be able to tell Nameless Fairy isn't 2hu because 2hu would have asked if they could use Magdh fey obedience in fluffy without fail, especially since it's a game where fey obediences would actually have been in character and appropriate to play.

Seriously, get a better 2hu detector.

>>51997424
Go away Jason, you're not the same as Witchhunt Anon; you actually give stuff to the community, however crappy it is like the Grimoire of Lost Souls.

>>51997443
Watching Youmu get hit by a train is the best part of SWR/Soku.

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>want to make a character for the dragonborn game
>the game would start one hour before I have to leave for work
Why wasn't I born a NEET?

>>51997502
Because you actually have a future, can prioritize, and are better suited to surviving in the adult world with semi-useful skills and dignity?

Never go full NEET man, NEETs are the smeg of the earth

>>51997538

Crying-2hu.jpg

>>51997538
Demi-NEET here, can confirm. Save me from this horrifying self-awareness and bring me to a normies life.

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>>51997616
It's not too late to change your hikkimori ways!

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>>51997616
Where are you, what is your education level, how physically fit are you, do you have any health issues, are you part of a religion, how good are you at networking, and what are you currently doing with your life?

This info is important

>>51997007
BRB putting together a new character for dragon2

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>>51997711
NOOO! There's enough competition as there is! Don't make my chances of finally getting picked even smaller! I beg you!

>>51997817
Sorry dude, different person here also trying to put together a little somebody for Dragon2 now that spring break is here.

>>51997668
Sunshine and Oranges State of US, graduated HS and couldn't justify paying for college without a goal, skinny weak nerd with no outstanding problems, "yes", autismal but I'm noticing a habit of accidentally getting people to do shit, and "shitposting and assisting with the care of cranky old people".

Am I crazy, or are there basically no investigator archetypes that stack? Why the hell does everything replace poison lore and swift alchemy?

>>51994087
No thoughts?

>>51997920

Because those are percieved as 'weak' options since they don't do combat stuff or common high tier skills.

The thing is that Investigator is very wrapped up in what it does, and it needs all parts doing specific things, or it falls apart.

>>51997938
You got one response in the last thread: Yes.
I figured everybody assumed this was sufficient because that idea is dumb as fuck.

>>51997817
Slutty elven tavern keeper has no mercy for you. Only mead.

>>51994087

Sounds like you should be looking to the mythic Godhunter for inspiration and flavor.

>>51997885
Well first, you need to find a good goal in your life, however that seems a bit hard for you right now, so I'll just throw some ideas out.

Now, considering the "yes" bit, I'm going to assume that jeans your inactive/non-practicing. I won't tell you to get back in or not, as that is your house and is one that should be made after much introspection, however I will say many different churches do offer some job support and can be a good networking base, or at least from my experience they tend to be.

Now, bad news is you probably won't be able to get a full job instantly, especially since many different forms are in a hiring freeze to wait out and see what the new administration has in mind for them. Instead, you're gonna want to look into volunteer opportunities for now.

Now, this is just my peference, but what O would do in your situation would be to look into volunteer applications and opportunities with your local Parks and Wildlife department, and luckily they should've someone local to your county to talk to. Ask about and possibly sign up for volunteer work, do some elbow rubbing, and learn more about local job opportunities and resources that are available or local to your area. With any luck, and after much trial and error you may learn what you want to do with your life, as then either pursue it, or get some scholarships go to college for it.

If all else fails, just do what my parents did and join the military. With any luck you could marmot into the engineers, logistics and management, or even domestic affairs. Or if your especially hapless, the Air Force.

Really, not having a goal or desire after graduating from Highschool hurt you the most here, and not going to college especially since nearly everyone needs a degree now for a decent job. Heck, if you don't want a full degree, you could potentially get into Trade School and get a technician degree as a practical laborer, like an electrician or a plumber.

>>51998051
>>51997863
W-well I hope we ALL get picked then.

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>>51997993

Those options are definitely subpar, but I would have been willing to swap talents in exchange for interesting archetype abilities. Why can't I build a psychic detective that can use a gun effectively?

Seriously, archetype stacking is one of the best things about PF. It's crazy that they basically decided it shouldn't happen for an otherwise decent class.

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>>51998079
>Heck, if you don't want a full degree, you could potentially get into Trade School and get a technician degree as a practical laborer, like an electrician or a plumber.

I recommend going for Non-Destructive Testing! Heck, if you want I could reference you to a trade school that is 50/50 online and practical that is, you do the classroom portion online and go into class for 3 weeks for your practical.)

>>51998079
Having siblings who spent all their time bitching about how their degree has nothing to do with their jobs and everything was "braindead on the job training" did not make a good impression. Nor did being told to avoid getting a job in HS to focus on studying, even though getting out there probably would have helped a lot more than sitting alone in my room crunching calculus and physics books.

>>51998034
I'm wondering what's dumb about it so I can fix it.

>>51994087

It's not a bad idea, but any idea can work with the right mechanics. Why you flesh it out into an actual class and give it some interesting fluff?

Also, since antipaladins aren't the most common class, consider a summoner archetype that uses a material focus. That would allow it to be neutral and not just for evil characters.

>>51998147
Not that anon but Tell me more. I'd be interested.

>>51998151
It's bot so much not getting a job, it's not doing anything in HS that hurts.
Me, I never had a job in HS, but I was actively involved in Scouting, Church, Seminary, Band, Choir, and Musical, and my family always hosted and aided Exchange Students so I tended to get involved there too. With all those things, I learned how to manage my time and it allowed me to experience and learn about my various options for me to consider in life.

Not bad for a literal asperger, eh?

It's not about having a job experience. It's about having experience period in participating in learning skillsets and keeping your options open. It's about practicing at having a life, so you know how to actually have a life once you leave HS

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>>51998251

Nondestructive Testing is a broad term that encompasses any technique used to evaluate the properties of a material without causing damage. Examples of this range from Visual (the most common type) to Liquid and Mag-Particle or even Ultrasonic and Radiography. Currently, NDT is in critical demand from every sector of manufacturing, aviation and even infrastructure, as nobody really *does* it anymore, and after a couple years of work you could easily expect to be bringing in 60-70k a year, if not more. It's needed all over the country, so you could expect to find work anywhere from California (where my dad worked in the industry) to New York.

Now, most folk go to Hutchinson for training (in Minnesota, *the* school to go to for this kind of stuff) but that can take upwards of 2 years to be certified in the full spectrum of techniques, but I was personally recommended by a family friend to take a new program from The American Institute of Non-Destructive Testing (AINDT), a lovely facility in Brainerd, Minnesota that does the exact same thing Hutch does, only in a fraction of the time: http://www.trainingndt.com/

You take the online courses then schedule a three week practical, which I will admit are brutal (10 hour days, 6 days a week) but at the end of it you will be fully certified, networked, and receiving job offers as the instructors basically broadcast your resume to potential employers.

>>51998358
>>51998251

Aaaaand I forgot to drop a link to the AINDT website, if you were interested at all in that.

http://www.trainingndt.com/

If you can, I'd recommend going to Hutchinson since it's got the name and might place you at a higher certification level when you get out, but if you want something easy and comfortable (at first) I'd suggest AINDT!

>>51998265
Yes, that's pretty much it. The job itself was less important than the things it would force me to learn. As of now, all I really have going for me is >eagle scout , which only means so much by itself. Coast guard keeps getting recommended to me, so maybe I should stuck it up and see what they got.

Ennui is a bitch, but so is making excuses to yourself. Or so I keep telling myself with all the characters I make.

>pfg
>job advice central
So how do I plan a game around working a 7 to 6 white collar job?

>>51998395

Dude, cross your fingers and check to see if there's an Amazon Fulfillment Center in your area, they tend to do instant hires and pay much better than the peanuts you'd get from retail.

More importantly, it will give you job experience. Industrial Experience. A box on your resume, a *good* box, all things considered.

>>51998420
>So how do I plan a game around working a 7 to 6 white collar job?

>7-6

That's a long-ass workday senpai, unless your employers are slave drivers that means you're still confined to a 40 hour workweek, which means you're working 4 out of the 5 workdays.

Figure out what that free day is, and join a campaign on that day.

>>51998358
>>51998375
Thanks man. Seeems interesting but Minnesota's quite a ways away. I'd have to fly there, not to mention I'd have to beg for a month off at my current job just to go to the practical. I don't suppose this practical testing site offers on-site housing?

>>51998395
Eagle is a good start, I myself have my Eagle and can proudly say the lessons I learned on leadership and organization from it have been invaluable.

If you can try to internalize the skills that scouting drilled in you, then apply it to education, training, and volunteer work, then you might find yourself having more confidence and drive to discover and pursue a goal in life.

Unless you had your mom or dad do your Eagle Project for you. In which case, you brought this shit on yourself

>>51998420

Just play evenings or sacrifice some weekend time.

I play in 4 games and run one of my own.

Not hard at all, but you've gotta be dedicated. Being foreveralone and having no social life helps, too.

>>51998456
>I don't suppose this practical testing site offers on-site housing?

No, but they've got a deal with the nearby hotel for super cheap.

>>51998455
Its a hell of a commute, 5 days a week. But 71k a year

>>51998475
Realistically speaking, how much money should one set aside to attend the practical?

>>51996941
I don't think I've called anyone an idiot, and yeah 3pp can be fun, I just don't want to pile subsystems on top of subsystems for this game in particular.

Really, I'm open to 3pp, just not PoW or SoP or anything that hads a layer to the game that I just won't use.

"But SoP doesn't add a layer! It streamlines magic! But PoW makes martials interesting!"

A) I'm a sucker for Vancian magic, unfortunately.

B) Just don't make a martial knowing the limits of my game then

If this was my only game, and I had no other side projects, fuck yeah I'd run PoW/SoP.

>>51996513
From personal experience, that's just not true.

>>51998585

Factoring in food costs and wanting to be quite comfortable with expenses? Thirteen hundred, maybe fifteen hundred dollars. The room is going to be $45 a night, and you're there 21 days.

>>51998671
What AP have you decided on Anon?

>>51998696
Woof. Alright. Thanks. I've noted this all down. Thanks again for the advice.

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>>51998733

Good luck, anon!

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>>51998462
>Unless you had your mom or dad do your Eagle Project for you. In which case, you brought this shit on yourself
>mfw the sheer number of people from my troop who this was true for and who still actually had the drive after bullshitting through that to get on with their lives

Christ don't remind me, the most involved my parents got was lighting a fire under my ass to make me be the one to do everything and providing the tools and workspace for construction. Looking back, even as depressed as I was through the whole process it was actually really fun and makes me I wish I had been more involved in everything else. I miss it, even the obnoxious ones. They added spice to a dull life.

Actually, to kick it to something more pathfinder related: What kind of character details have you all noticed as being inspired from things you've experienced over the course of your life? It could be anything from small details to big character motivations. A fascination with a particular craft skill, a recurring theme in your backstories, or a tendency to play a particular race/gender, for example.
I don't play them much lately, but shapeshifters appeal to me since it's a much more extreme example of needing to constantly alter yourself to fit in with your surroundings.

>>51998729

http://www.strawpoll.me/12455357

http://www.strawpoll.me/12455377

>>51998746
You too! M-maybe one day we'll work together... And never know.

>>51998814

Oho, I hope so! You seem really, really sweet!

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>>51998764

I play loud and proud martials because I'm desperate to make up for the decades I've spent being a weirdo anti-social loser, and while I'm settling in with a network of friends in the real-world, I still vicariously live through my characters online. Playing a guy that's large, fit and desired tickles some aspect of me I never knew was a void.

>>51996941
>>>51996911 (You)
>>>51994080
>>I know what rules I'll want to run, to keep it simple for myself: Paizo only, 25 PB, anti-feat tax, with elements negotiable if it fits backstories/is cool.
>Don't go around calling people idiots when your an idiot too!
do keep digging that hole you fucking clown.

>>51996993
>I misunderstood
why are you so fucking stupid you can't read? I already admitted to making a typo. I do understand what first party and third party and their abreviations mean. why are you so invested in pepretuating and obvious and demonstrably false lie on a fucking polyneasian woodcarving forum?

>>51997104
I'm at work, but ask if you have questions.

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>>51998833

>>51998764
>tendency to play a particular race/gender
Does "I only play males cause I don't want creepy overweight pedophile neckbears hitting on my character" count?

>>51998925

Anon... Now you're just going to get creepy overweight pedophile neckbears playing cute girls hitting on your character.

>>51998764
I play characters have a lot of punching potential or close-quarters combat options because I was often on the receiving end of a pummeling as a kid! I cheated a bunch and kicked guys in the nuts and smacked chicks in the chest though, so that might explain why I got my shit kicked in a lot.

>>51998943
>tfw no one's ever hit on one of my characters
I mean, I don't play in lewd games or anything, but thinking back, none of my characters have ever had any relationship deeper then "We got each other's backs in a fight. I'd kill for her, and she'd kill for me."

>>51998986

It's a very magical feeling that has nothing to do with the sexual aspect and far more the "I'm doing something right with this character to make them so appealing."

>>51998764
To this day I don't understand why, but I pretty much always play a female character or one that identifies as a woman. It's especially weird to me because I'm very comfortable in my own body and skin, I've not had thoughts of being transgender (unlike some of my friends who considered the idea of being trans after years of gaming as a girl), and I don't use it as a way to get ERP; it just ends up that when I finish making a character sheet, the name I write at the top ends up being Alice or Rebecca more than Lance or Christopher.

What is the closest cultural analogue to Katapesh? Sargava?

What are some solid male names from those regions?

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>>51998764
I play characters heavily inspired from pop culture, often with elements I wish where explored more adequately. Such as; in pokemon you get a team of monsters to fight for you as you go on an adventure. Despite this, none of your pokemon are allowed to truly work together as a six man team.

So one autism crafting of packlord later and I have bunch of mystical creatures.

All things considered aside from being female all of my characters have this in some way or another; I think it adds a nice dimension to something unexplored.

>>51999024
I'm in the same boat, it's been that way since I used to play on free-form RP forums as a wee lad. I wonder what it means?

>>51999050
>Katapesh
Arabia as "mysterious magical place" instead of Qadira's "SARENRAE AKBAR" schtick

>Sargava
Uh...not as close a comparison here, but basically something like Australia, or maybe an American colony. Used to be part of the big Empire over the sea, but now struggling to get by on its own as a separate nation, and really hung up on staying so.

>>51998889
It seems like you edited the gestalt combimation rules since I last checked on your game.

Is full caster/6th caster/initiatior a legit combination now even if they use the same stat? Combinations like sorcerer/rubato, cleric/myrimodon, wizard/magus.

>>51999050
For Katapesh, use male names in Arabic. Or Persian, they fit just as well and Paizo doesn't really seem to give a shit when they mix the two up.

For Sargava, that's a little trickier. Mwangi names might work, but maybe just take Chelish names (misspelled, "fantasy" versions of Latin or other romance languages) and maybe Anglicize or muddy them up a bit.

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>>51999068
>free-form RP forums
Oh god. Why'd you remind me?
I have memories of RPing in forums and being so fucking shit. I don't know why anyone tolerated me back then cause I was unequivocally shit.

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>>51999181
>I have memories of RPing in forums and being so fucking shit. I don't know why anyone tolerated me back then cause I was unequivocally shit.

>tfw I was actually really good
>tfw I look back at my posts on the Nation-States forums
>tfw I wasn't actually that good

>>51999205


Don't matter if I was cringey or not, I got mad ERP pussy during the decade I was heavy into freeform.

Now that I am getting into lewdgames, I've gotta shake this rust off. I have been out of things so long that people ERPing right now could be children of people I used to ERP with.

...I am fine with this. I was always into ageplay, but it's fucking weird.

>>51999247
>I got mad ERP pussy
But did you get real pussy

>>51999263

Once.

Once it was wierd as fuck, but a woman 10 years my senior bought me a plane ticket to Louisiana to fuck her. I was terrified, but I did it. It was......an overwhelmingly positive experience. We never RPed after that again, but I talked to her for a while before she vanished off the net. Thanks for taking my virginity and making me feel like a king, lady. I hope your son's grown up into a decent guy.

The other time I got real close, this other girl exploded into a mess of autism and I got my heart broken because I allowed myself to care. We'd known each other a while before we got into ERPing with each other. I guess it was a bad idea to get feelings with her before I'd managed to put it in her.

>>51997502
Apply anyway Anon, depending on the schedules of the applicants I get I may just end up doing sessions when you're available too. (Unless you live in, like, Australia, in which case that'd be a bit hard to manage I think)

>>51999181
They tolerated you because they were shit as well.

>>51999247
>>51999263
>>51999374
Rule #1 of ERP is to never get too deep into IRL details.

If you break it, you'd better be damn sure you know what you're doing. Sometimes you get lucky, make friends, or have some golden moments like that Louisiana trip. Sometimes things just go to shit.

>>51999205
>Nation-States forums
Aaaaayyyyyyyyyy!

>>51999384
When you're discussing something that grows closer to an Aristocrats joke the longer you play it out, who's going to judge you on writing ability?

>>51999374

Holy hell I just realized this lady's son would be like 21 this year.

SO OLD

>>51999476
What are you still doing on 4chan in your 50s, anon?

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Friday is here! What are your plans tonight or the weekend?

>>51999504
Convince friends to play Legend.

>>51998211
I think neutral and eating souls are pretty mutually exclusive.

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>>51999504
>tfw no plans for the weekend cause don't have any games over the weekend.

>>51999504
SotJR! Gotta race to the finish!

>>51999495

I'm only 33. This happened like 14 years ago.

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>>51999504

Another session of Stellaris multiplayer with some awesome dorks I met on /4x/

>>51999542

AWWWW SHIT MY NIGGA

>>51999504
Gotta run the second socially-themed session in a row (as opposed to the more combat-focused bend sessions in this game usually take)! A party of charisma-handicapped PC must find proof that the prominent and respected figure in a city they've recently arrived at is actually an evil cultist!

Combat is much easier to do.

>>51999542
>stellaris multiplayer
>playing stellaris
Fuck OFF Wiz

>>51999504
We're going to actually make progress in this fucking game instead of shitting around like we have for the past, like, month probably? I'm so fucking happy, I was so close to just quitting.

>>51999552

WAIT

WHAT

YOU'RE HERE TOO?

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>>51999522
I know this is probably a joke, but I feel bad for the people who just wanted to play the game at a natural pace.

At least the memes are dank. I can't wait for the homoerotic love scene.

>>51999584

>Implying Etan and Rubio didn't share a tender moment staring deep into each other's eyes while they worked both ends of Shayliss.

>>51999522
>>51999504
FotJR. Hope to be swapping goblin-slaying techniques with Saturday group soon!

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>>51999588
We need to go gayer

>>51999504
Looking forward to some nice RotRL action. Hopefully no one will die in Thistletop

The new Romance game is off to a much weaker start in app quality than Raunchy. I wonder if leadership attracts the wrong people.

>>51999580

Different guy, I just love Stellaris. I'd love to get in on this shit, but my connection is garbage.

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>>51999515

It's usually flavored that way, but it doesn't have to be. Maybe it's just another form of sustenance in the way that predators eat flesh. Maybe it's a gesture of respect, and only superior souls are worthy of being used this way.

For that matter, you could flavor it as an inquisitor who uses this method to destroy evil permanently. You know how flexible good and evil are in D&D.

>>51999631
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/inquisitor/archetypes/inquisitor-archetypes-paizo/sin-eater/

I mean there's this, so why the hell not.

>>51999628
>>51999542
>tfw you always had more fun with Stellaris singleplayer than multiplayer

I enjoyed exactly one multiplayer game, and that was with exactly one other player that I was playing with in the same room so we could talk back and forth. I like to pause the game too much to get into multiplayer games.

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>>51999623
>Hopefully no one will die in Thistletop

>mfw Nualia reveals she was the one who burned down the Cathedral

People lost loved ones in that and the reactions will be delicious.

>>51999625
>I wonder if a feat that consistently gets banned for being too disruptive attracts the wrong people.
I don't wonder that.

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>>51999628
>>51999659

The oddest part is I got a trash start and made my race focused on mineral production over everything else, but now we're in the mid/late game and I'n the military and scientific powerhouse of our Player-ran federation.

To put it in perspective, My lowest tech bonus is +150 while the highest for our second strongest ally is +100.

>>51999625
Raunchy rejects (myself included) are probably waiting for the gm to finalize the chargen rules or are still busy reworking their dudes with the new chargen rules.

Leadership isnt a bad thing imo, I've used it several times to completion and actually working with the gm on empire building will be a refreshing business from the ol "your business generated 7k gp this week, add the income to your char sheet"

>>51999661
I ran Burnt Offerings and I just hated Nualia. Not even in a good way, she's just... so boring, bland.

The best thing that book has to offer genuinely is Orik.

>>51999625
>I wonder if leadership attracts the wrong people.
More like I wonder if leadership scares off the right people.

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>>51998462
>Eagle is a good start

>MFW the Americans are recommending putting Boy Scout experience on your resume

>>51999661
>Casimir's wife
>Corwin's angry
>Valeriya's okay with murder
>Aranha needs to vanquish the villain
>Onryou's angry
>Seht's a Desnan
Do any of them have a reason to keep her alive?

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>>51999685
>The best thing that book has to offer genuinely is Orik.

>Surrender now or face our wrath!
>Yeah sure, I surrender
>... What, really?
>Have you *seen* what you guys look like? I'm not going to die for a lost cause

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>>51999695
>mfw non-Americans don't know about Eagle Scouts

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>>51999695

>Implying

>>51999661
It's going to be fucking delicious and I can only hope it doesn't fall flat due to external shitposting.

>>51999695
I don't quite get it either and I did it. At the very least it was less retarded and much more useful stuff than the bullshit I put up with in 4-H.

>>51999625

Hey, hey! Can I get a link to that campaign? I think I've got a character for it.

>>51999690
Leadership is allowed in raunchy though.

>>51999716
Remove diabolists!

So, my DM is going to run an urban campaign, and with his oermisdion, I'm finally getting a chance to play an evil character. Planning on doing a Jack the Ripper meets Dr. Moreua sorta thing, so thinking half elf vivisectionist, taking the rich parents trait so I can hire a half orc Igor... any suggestions?

>>51999601
>Suddenly Shayliss disappears in a puff of smoke
>They touch tips

>>51999794
But they cross swords on a daily basis, anon

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>>51999808

More like dirks.

>>51999775
Dip a level in Vigilante so you can get away with it.

>>51999812
Hey now, a max roll is nothing to sneeze at

>>51999820

Oh, is that what Shayliss said you when he whipped it out?

>>51999808
It's just the first step toward dick-in-a-dick.

>>51999754
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/70727/romance-of-the-righteous-kingdoms

>>51999760
Allowed and "everyone automatically gets it and has to deal with it" are VERY different things anon. How many people actually ended up picking Leadership in WotR? That should make it fairly obvious how much people want to deal with that crap.

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>>51999852

Thank you, anon! Thank you!

Now, I'm thinking... Would a magnificent bastard from Cheliax and flagrant Victorian stereotype fit in this campaign?

How do I Whip Bard? I have not attempted this before

>>51999690
Mandatory leadership didn't seem to scare anybody off of Molthune Knights (RIP).

>>51999815
Heard that Horror Adventures has and archetype for a mad doctor with the Vigilante? Should I just do that then, and can I still be a decent healer for the party?

>>51999661
Theme of Etan vs Nualia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMSmi8ZOSno

>>51999884
You don't, too feat starved.

>>51999926
What if I really want to be Indiana Jones?

>>51999820
Max roll for a kitsune? That's what, 6?
...unless we're going with an 8 for a mostly-Chelish human.

>>51999853
Personally I don't mind other people taking leadership themselves. If it gets out of hand that's a problem for the DM, but I'm probably not applying to Romance just because I personally don't want to take leadership myself. Kind of narrows the kind of character you're playing.

>>51999883
Right now 3/4 apps are evil, the remaining one looks ambiguous good, and Argent's NE muscle girl built with PvP in mind looks like the most trustworthy app. Go for it anon, please go for it.

>>51999888
>Double trips

You sir are an animal!

>>51999938
Archeologist bard stuck at level 3-4 forever

>>51999681
Pretty much this. I want to put Francisca in as an app, especially since the critiquing anon mentioned "yeah this seems more suited for Kingmaker", but I also want to make sure the chargen is set before I rework her.

>>51999945
It was 2d4+con, right?

After dragons2 picks are we finally going to be able to take a breath from meme games, /pfg/?

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>>52000007

>>52000005
Yes.
So he's got 2 inches on Rubio.

>>51999110
Yeah those are fine. I'm not a fan of SAD builds in general, but the array I gave should mitigate issues for MAD classes.

Who's got the dick/tit size chart handy?

>>52000007
After Dragon 2 we return to WotR apps, only now they're RotR apps and they've already got a meme start.
>Evil custom frogman Anti-Paladin

Those apps will run for about two weeks, and following them we've got a lot of people around here who've mentioned they might be running more games. If Curse of the Crimson Throne actually gets picked up, then god help us all.

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>>52000068
Still prefer Pathfinder Vices myself.

IS there any way to get STR to Acrobatics

>>52000104
I don't like using Vices in my lewd games. It's poorly written, and just because it's a smutty supplement doesn't mean I'm not going to hold it to the same standards I would hold other supplements to.

Also I don't like putting rules down for the lewd stuff in the first place, it's better to leave that stuff free form in my opinion.

>>52000146
Fair enough, but it can get kind of weird when some players expect everyone to have hentai-sized horsecocks and big fat J-cups and some want their characters to be at least somewhat realistic.

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>>51999504

The general plan is to sit quietly at home, wrapped in a blanket, waiting for this cold to dissipate. Other activities include playing Digital Devil Saga and watching Sean Bean shoot the French.

>>52000177
That would be weird, but a good DM that's planning to run an ERP game should try to screen their potential players and get a group of people that have similar expectations.

Recently I have been finding that GMs have extreme aversion to hirelings. It's been three different GMs but all three banned me from having hirelings.

Tell me if something is wrong with the hirelings.The first character was a dwarven noble with the following hirelings:
>chronicler/letter writer/messenger, male dwarf
>manservant to help him in and out of his armor, tend to his beard, etc, male dwarf
>groom to tend to his mount, female dwarf
>general physical labor, doubled as the chef, male orc (this one was actually a slave, former criminal serving his time as my servant)

The second character was an aspiring merchant with the following:
>woman who was both his tailor and mistress, female human
>two general labor men, one a male half-orc the other a male human
>an accountant/bureaucrat, male human

>>52000204

It may be more "I don't want to have to keep track of all these guys" than "there's something wrong with these guys".

>>52000204
Gm's don't want to keep track of all your bullshit and the various shit you'll use them for.

>>52000204
Well, speaking as someone who's GMed games where hirelings took (too big of a) role, there's a couple of issues that might be at play here:

1) The GM doesn't want to RP all your servants.
2) The GM is worried that your servants will take up too much spotlight or distract you from actually playing the game the rest of the party is playing.
3) The GM is afraid you're going to somehow break the game.
4) The GM doesn't want to hear about how you're totally fucking the waifu you brought along

>>52000204
>woman who was both his tailor and mistress, female human
The GM probably doesn't want to deal with having to RP the hireling getting fucked by your PC

I've decided that I'll run Curse of the Crimson Throne. Give me a week at most to set up at least the first book and I'll be right back.

Then you'll see that my mapping skills are absolutely shit and how lazy I am.

Can you Vital Strike with Destruction blasts from SoP? I would think not, but I'm not sure how the action economy of SoP works

>>52000314
No.

>>51999952

So you think I *should* make a selfish mustachioed rascal that wants to become a crusader for the glory of himself, his house, and himself?

>>52000314
no. Vital Strike is used with the base attack action and base attack action only. Trying to use it on a spell is some 2hu shit fuck off

>>52000274
You're using the anniversary edition right?

>>52000274

What sort of chargen were you going to run, Senpai?

>>52000320
>>52000329
Yeah, I was pretty sure that wasn't going to be a thing. Always worth asking though

>>52000326
But of course! Every group needs a real villain, someone who's fought a real superhero!

>>52000336
Yes, I love those pretty maps. I'm just lazy about scaling them 100% correctly for roll20.

>>52000338
25 PB, 3pp needs approval (no initiators, no SoP), anti-feat tax rules, 2 traits + campaign trait (no drawbacks)

>>52000383
don't even start

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>>52000387
>25 PB, 3pp needs approval (no initiators, no SoP), anti-feat tax rules, 2 traits + campaign trait (no drawbacks)
This gets my mindgears spinning.

>>52000387
Curse of the Crimson throne is the only place I can actually build a fighter focused on disarm, trip, and steal and feel useful. My body is ready.

>>52000411
really activates those almonds

>>52000387
A few houserules as well, such as U. Rogues being full BAB, minimum skill points per level being 4 + int unless you are an Int. caster, Background skills (and automatically getting a skill rank in Lore every Cleric/Paladin/Oracle level you have)

I'll have more details in a week, but feel free to ask questions now.

>>52000387
Could you at least decide the schedule in advance?

>>52000462
Saturdays, 7 PM EST. I can start 11 PM EST (midnight if you ask really nicely) latest if there is a demand for it.

>>52000459
How do you feel about the Legendary Rogue?

what about DHB's unchained martials

>>52000387
did you settle on a time yet?

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>>51999915
>you could have prevented this
>but now you have to stop it

>>52000491
Sounds perfect.

>>52000459
>and automatically getting a skill rank in Lore every Cleric/Paladin/Oracle level you have
What?

You mean lore in their deity? Why would an Oracle get that when a lot of them don't know who their deity is?

>>52000343
You can sort of do it with the Blaster's Arm Cannon, but it has its own damage progression. Can still be pretty nice because it's got decent damage, is a touch attack, great range, and can still have blast types and shapes applied (AoE Vital Strikes). It explicitly doesn't work with the Doomblade however. Energy Blade with the Improved Energy Blade feat would let you do a Vital Strike that happens to also have destructive blast damage but that's not exactly the same thing.

>>52000500
Why not? As long as the character's interesting.

I'm only looking for 3 people, and it might take me a few sessions to get it right

>>52000533
I flavor it as the Oracle's personal search for their patron, not required if you don't know who the patron is.

>DHB keeps pestering SwimmingEagle
What garbage.

>>52000491
>11 pm
I would prefer it as it gives me a chance to play, but otoh, not sure if my character would fit into your rulings, can we talk on discord?

>>52000559
To get the balance right, even. I shouldn't type when distracted.

>>52000589
Sure, what's your discord?

>>52000578
Shit man, *I* keep pestering SE about lore, ain't no call to throw stones.

>>52000602
#5210
scapegoat

>>52000387
Is this going to be one of those crazy gestalt things or are we going to play a straight single class game?

>>52000578
The pestering is reasonable though. Legendary Rogue is weird about how its implemented.

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A question for any of you guys following the Dragons2 stuff. I'm trying to spice up my profile with an interview with Aurora, does anyone have any questions they would like to ask or that they think would be a good addition?

>>52000578
>>52000614
I do too. I just wanna know if I can have a halfling Mauler Slayer Wizard Thrall with a maybe not a pseudodragon Master Familiar.

>>52000634
Single straight class, because I want to run an AP, not rebalance everything in it.

>>52000644

What is Aurora's ideal man both in and out of the bedroom?

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>>52000578

>>52000668
Don't be such a fag anon

>>52000644
What's your favorite food and drink?

>>52000632
that's not working

>>52000644
Does she like dogs?

>>52000695
Scapegoat#5210
try this, sorry, I'm new at this app

So how terrible of an idea is it to have a professional hoard thief in Dragon 2?

>>52000683

I'm a sword swallower, through and through. I like answers to those types of questions, they're delicious!