EDH/Commander General

The way I beat Grand Orbiter was she played Winter Orb which didn't affect me that much but ya she lost to her own card

>>51920818
Ok.

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The artwork on this card looks OP

>>51920878
>painted over the mana cost

what a shame

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>>51920878
Man, Mark Tedin's style has changed a ton.

>>51920938
>Winter Orb
>Only Orb has wrinkles
>Emrakul
>Everything has wrinkes

Yeah, style sure has changed. His old person skin fetish has enhanced over the years.

Is zirlian of the claw as fun as he looks?

>>51921242

He's pretty fun, I think scion of the UR dragon is more fun though

>>51921315
Having built both, I would say Zirilan is more fun since he's a toolbox. Scion is just a flowchart of a deck with only like 3 actual dragons.

>>51921334

>claims to prefer the fun of a toolbox dragon deck
>built his scion deck as a net deck combo goodstuff deck instead of a sweet dragon toolbox

That's on you my man

I built it as a sweet dragon toolbox and reanimator deck

>>51921242
>Zirilan of the Claw
Oh man, I'm getting flashbacks of my very first, completely not legit, magic deck of printed out proxies. So good. So bad.

>>51921242
Z-Daddy is fucking rad. I ran him for a while and it was a lot of fun. Getting ways of cheating out multiple dragons and slapping the shit out of someone is a great feeling. Especially when you have ways of making sure the Dragons don't get exiled

>>51921454
>netdeck
Fuck off.

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They're monocolored retards.

>>51921837
>Anput without black
Christ I hope not.

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>>51920720
>Manly Muscle Men edition
Anyone have a list from the thread a few years ago to make the manliest EDH deck?

>>51921757

Are you the same guy? In confused as fuck. I have no problem with net decking, researching successful decks is good. I just don't understand why somebody would claim that zirilan is more fun purely because it's less spikey, when you can build a deck as spikey as you want

>>51921837
And MM17 will contain no reprints. My dad is John Gamefreak so he knows.

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>>51922017
It's about Wizards' art direction dumbass. They won't print a major story-important Mythic with misleading colors in its art.

i think it would be funny as fuck if the amonkhet gods are wedge colored when everyone expect shards. then the next sets gods are shard colors.

>>51921837
>>51922299
You must be a blast to play commander with.

If I cast Consulate Crackdown while Mycosynth Lattice is out, everything non-artifact stays in exile right?

>>51922384
I alternate between ultra-jank and spikeshit using convincing Chinese proxies so yeah, I'm a blast.

I have no idea how to Jund.

Xenagos is definitely my favorite. Objectively GOAT

>>51922490
Reread Consulate Crackdown. It says "If the exiled cards aren't artifact cards, manifest them."

>>51921837
YOU'RE a monocolored retard.

>>51922494
>Step 1: Sacrifice for effects
>Step 2:

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>>51922532
What are you smoking anon?

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>>51921837
I must admit, I'm confused with their artworpk. The color themes aren't very specific, and kind of samey. It's hard to pin down what their colors will be.

Pic related looks Mardu to me, but I know that's not it

>>51922299
>purple robes
>black clouds reflecting the red of the sunset mostly covering the blue sky
>they're monocolor
>they wouldn't put misleading colors in the art
Okay

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>>51922532

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Is this the MtG general? If not could someone point me to it

>>51922490
No, those cards are just exiled until it leaves the battlefield ig the second clause said
>return all artifacts exiled by CC to the battlefield under their owners control
then they would stay

>>51922617
Are you new to the game? There isn't really a single general there is one for the most popular formats

>>51922699
Okay well i have a noob question

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I'm thinking of using pic related as a replacement for Thopter Spy Network, do you think anyone would be autistic enough to demand I play with the regular version?

>>51922604
>purple lightning
>purple clouds
>red clouds
>blue clouds
>blue sky in the background
Seems pretty fucking spot on for UR anon.

>>51922716
I'd honestly be amazed and wouldn't require you to do so, just to watch you resolve it as written. Be sure to bring a bag of skittles or smth.

>>51920720
What are the best blue and black creatures to abuse blinking effects with?

>>51922855
Creatures with strong ETB triggers.

>>51922855
Gray Merchant.

>>51922855
Rune-scarred demon, Gray Merchant of Asphodel, Gonti Lord of Luxury, Palinchron, Scourge of Fleets, Diluvian / Sepulchral Primordial.

>>51922710
shoot

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>>51922855
Kederekt Leviathan + Necromancy

Does blue have any decent options for dealing with enchantments outside of bouncing stuff to hand?

>>51923229
Counterspells dude, there are a few colorless things though like nev's disk and all is dust/scour from existence

>>51922710
We may or may not be helpful. However if you can catch an "ask a judge" thread GA will almost certainly help you.

>>51923043
Well I asked in the Modern thread but thanks for being willing to help

Is there any advice you can give someone just starting out? Like any advice or tips that you would only know after playing for a while?

>>51923408
Buy singles.

>>51923408
Don't be afraid to use life as a resource. The only point that matters is the last one. This is especially true in Commander, but it applies to all formats equally.

>>51923408
Well first off is don't buy random packs and don't buy other sealed product unless you do research and ask around. Only time it's worth buying packs is draft/sealed because you get play experience out of it basically >>51923434
if you're building a deck. Second is make sure you have people to play with and ask them to help with getting into their format or building a casual deck. 3rd and last I will say is never be afraid to ask about rules or anything, unless whoever you're playing is obviously a mega autist most magic players are happy to explain things to a new player

>>51922723
I think we're on the same side of this argument, my dude.

>>51923408
Get a friend to start playing with you, it really helps.
Otherwise, play a free program like Forge to learn the basics WHILE reading the various tutorials Wizards has on their websites, since those programs don't have tutorials. It's critical to learn the rules of the game properly.
When actually playing paper Magic, learn which cards are worth money. You don't want to be the guy who passes a $20 mythic in favor of some random uncommon. Play Friday Night Magic drafts, and ask the owner to match you up against other new players if possible.
I think other than that, make an effort to show up consistently to FNM. Regular attendance and being friendly will let you make friends with other regulars easily. Just don't be afraid to avoid anyone who treats you like shit.

>>51923408
I think I responded to your comment in that thread
>>51923563

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Is playing pic related considered poor form? I have Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker built and it slots in ridiculously well. I figure if people are going to play cards like Iona against me I should also get to play cards that prevent them from playing the game.

>>51923618
It's exactly as fair as Iona and although people will get salty point that out every time.

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>>51923618
>I figure if people are going to play cards like Iona against me I should also get to play cards that prevent them from playing the game.
Your group sounds like a bunch of fags, honestly. Play it, but going down that rabbit hole doesn't end well for anyone.

>>51921242
I play Zirilan and it's my favorite deck.

Is there any point to a playmat besides looking fancy?

>>51923643
>Your group sounds like a bunch of fags, honestly.
It's only a few people at the store. I just tend to end up playing with the more "competitive" crowd regularly because nobody else wants to put up with Shirei + Gravepact + Shadowborn Apostles. I figure I'll add stuff like contamination and maybe a few other stax effects and then build a more casual deck so I can play against everyone at the store and not get hated off the table.

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Whats the best way to win with a simic deck?

I'm new to magic and I want to make a deck that focuses on getting land every turn from cards like fertilid then having enough mana to draw more cards from the library (zameck guildmage) or so I know what I will draw (contingency plan and such) so I have options and possibly the cards I need when I need them to counter the opponent or something.

Is that how simic should be played or are there better ways?

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>>51923849
>Whats the best way to win with a simic deck?
beat them to death with an army of sneks.

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>>51923627
While I'm not saying Contamination is broken, I think you should consider what it means when you are legitimately comparing the power of a 3CMC enchantment vs a 9CMC creature. In monoB, the sac effect could even be considered an upside.

>>51923882
Snake tribal is a very shortsighted way of building Kaseto. He is much more powerful when you abuse "whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player" triggers.

>>51924222
Did I every say it was broken?

They're both shit cards that belong in shit casual games, the issue is that they remove interaction in the worst possible way.

>>51923882
>>51924245
why not do both? Also the great Snake Mistake Combo is fun as hell

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r8 h8 appreci8

>>51920720
>Who's your favorite commander for a beatdown deck?
Pretty much any RGx commander. Animar was by FAR the best I've ever played, but Ruric-Thar "oops all permanents" was pretty fun.

>>51924271
>Snake Mistake Combo
explain

>>51924267
Did I ever say you said it was broken?

My argument is that it should give you pause that a 3CMC enchantment is comparable (honestly stronger) in power to a 9CMC creature in terms of lockdown. But that's I guess par for the course with Urza cards.

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>>51923849
Say it with me, everyone.
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FLYING
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Play this guy and a bunch of small, evasive bodies, draw your deck and win. Lab Man, Beastmaster Ascension, Craterhoof Behemoth. Don't forget a few low-cost extra turn cards, like Temporal Mastery, and some good cheap counterspells.

>>51924333
I never referenced their powerlevel whatsoever dumbass. Why are you replying to me?

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I'm building my first EDH deck right now (blue white) and I'm using Isperia, Supreme Judge as my commander. Any recs on strategies or cards to buy? Right now I'm playing lots of flying creatures, draw cards (bident of thassa, divination etc) and counterspells/pacifying enchantments. I can answer more questions about my deck if needed

>>51924393
Because you keep asking retarded rhetorical questions that have nothing to do with the premise of my statement each time your reply. Gain some reading comprehension, nigger.

My previous double trips proves this.

>>51924324
Its not good but its
Hive Mind + Endless Swarm

You end up not letting anyone cast spells and since you are in simic, drawing an fuckton of cards and as such making an ass load of tokens. More of a stupid thing to do than anything else.

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http://www.strawpoll.me/12427939

VOTE ON YOUR PREDICTIONS FOR THE COLOR IDENTITY OF THE GODS!

>>51924475
I really want them to be shards.

Mono color or two color gods would feel weak after Theros.

>>51924475
They're mono

cards that should be banned because of their horrible impact on non-competitive EDH:

deadeye
palinchron
cyclonic rift
sol ring
consecrated sphinx
leovold
derevi

cards that should be unbanned:
biorhythm
balance
limited resources
sylvan primordial
braids

>>51924543
>>51924671

Watch them be mono colored with activated abilities in wedges or shards

>>51924675
>Consecrated Sphinx is OP
>Balance and Sylvan Promordail aren't (in a multiplayer setting)

I'm fine with most everything else on that list, though I don't think they're all banworthy.

>>51924475
>Wedges in a Shard themed set

>>51922592
That dude could totally be Grixis as well though. >>51921837 Could be Jund.

I feel like they will all be mono though.

>>51924737
When it can't be flickered as hard through DEN primordial just makes you a target

>>51924754
Got those backwards anon

>>51924475
>50% think mono color identities

We already have mono colored gods ...

Why would we get more?

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Building a new deck. Feel like playing Kambal. I've found about 2-3 lists I really like that I'm probably going to go with. Any expirence you guys have playing hard lockdown/stax would be appreciated.

Lists:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/22-10-16-death-and-taxes-edh/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kambals-salty-soup/

Also: POSTEM

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>>51924675
>limited resources
>balance
>braids
you complain about cards that hurt casual players but then you ask to unban cards that casuals would hate even more

>>51924761
Primordials main problem in mutiplayer isn't that it destroys a bunch of shit, it's that it destroys a bunch of shit, ramps you a shitton, AND is in green, the color known most for ramping out fatties faster than anyone. DEN makes this more abusable, yes, but the card is fucking atrocious on its own anyway

>>51924424
>guy asks if Contamination is poor form
>I reply saying it's as unfair as Iona
>your replies contain
>you should consider what it means when you are legitimately comparing the power
>it should give you pause that a 3CMC enchantment is comparable (honestly stronger) in power to a 9CMC creature

I don't give a shit which is more powerful, I never mentioned it and I don't care whether Entomb Reanimate: Target monocolored deck can't play the game is of equal or lesser power than (2)B: Fuck off nonblack.

I only ever mentioned their fairness, which given how they both remove certain decks from the game until they're removed I'd say they're pretty unfair. If we're talking about the actual MTG lingo version of the word fair, than Iona is generally less fair than Contamination because she's usually either reanimated (in the case of Manaless Dredge, BU/R Reanimator in Legacy, or most EDH decks other than the next case) or cheated in by Kaalia. Not to mention that Contamination was printed with a downside. And yeah anything can be an upside but you're probably already winning if playing a creature a turn for the foreseeable future is possible.

>>51924776
Because they've mentioned lowering complexity and there isn't proper mana-fixing in Standard right now. Their art heavily suggests mono-colored

>>51924814

>Because they've mentioned lowering complexity and there isn't proper mana-fixing in Standard right now. Their art heavily suggests mono-colored

do you think >>51924690 may be right?

>>51924848
I actually am harboring the idea that they have some weird colorless constraint applied to them, given the massive amount of grey in each image.

Not sure how that would work though.

>>51924866
Someone floated the idea that they would be artifacts instead of enchantments like the Theros gods.

Would fit nicely with Kaladesh at least

>>51924794
White needs help and braids should be totally okay in the 99

>>51924814
>there isn't proper mana-fixing in Standard right now.
And you're basing this on what? Losing the Battle Lands and the Man Lands when Zendikar rotates out?
We've still got the Innistrad duals,the Kaladesh duals, and Aether Hub, for starters. Not mentioning some halfway decent mana dorks since Wizards deemed the idea of a Llanowar Elf too powerful for Standard. To presume there wouldn't be more fixing in Amonkhet is preposterous, as well.

>>51924814
Your stating that you don't care about power while simultaneously highlighting the cards' fairness is self-refuting. A card's 'fairness' is based on the effect you get vs the cost you have to pay for said effect, in other words, it's power. Contamination is more powerful (less fair) than Iona. That was my argument.

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>>51924775
I don't see how NotHeliod is Grixis and Crocodile person is Jund.

Grixis' bonding color is black so I would assume the dude surrounded by the most black based creature is probably is mostly focused on the color black than the color red.

NotHeliod has the pyramid in the back which will probably be some kind of mountain which indicates red which is also the bonding color of Jund.

If we do shards, Cat is Bant, Bird is Esper, Crocodile is Grixis, Jackal is Jund, and Snake is Naya. If we do mono colored, it's the same order but with the central color instead.

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>>51922716
>wants a autistic card in his deck
>complains about autism

>>51924675
DEN isn't even that bad. If you got seven mana, then yeah you should be able to renew ETB shit.
Palinchron should be banned in general. Free spells are retarded.
Cyclonic Rift is fine
Sol Ring is a feature of the format, sadly.
Sphinx? lol
Leovold? FUCK THAT NIGGER REEEEEEEE EVERY TIME I BRING ARJUN SOME CHUCKLEFUCK ALWAYS FLIPS LEOVOLD AND I'M JUST FUCKED
Derevi? Eh, gang up on the fucker

Biorhythm is who cares.
Balance is ungodly broken. Any deck with white in it will play it.
Limited Resouces does too much for W
Sylvian Primordial? FUCK YOU BRING BACK PRIME TIME
Braids needs to remain banned, since Sidisi exists

>>51922855
>VIOLENT GONTI/GARRY FLASHBACKS INTENSIFY!!!11!!!11!!11!!!!!
gonti is dumb as fuck with and way to abuse his ETB, just play everyone else's cards.

>>51924413
run daxos

>>51924929
My argument is mostly that Grixis is the shard of death, since it has no white/green. Anubis being a death related god in the Egyptian pantheon, I'd hazard a guess that the dog is probably Grixis.

As for Croc, almost every crocodile in magic so far has been green or black, the only outliers being blue. That, and the croc-dragon thing in the resent pics lead me to believe that CrocGod is Jund. I hope

>>51924928
I specifically mentioned I wasn't referring to the MTG usage of the word fair, learn reading comprehension nigger.

That said fairness does not refer directly to power, not sure where you got that idea. Fair means that a card is played in a relatively normal way for Magic. Fair decks cast cards on curve with their mana cost. Jund is an example of a fair deck in Modern. Living End is an unfair deck. Sneak and Show is an unfair deck in Legacy. GW Maverick is a fair deck. Jund isn't unfair even though Goyf is better than your usual 2/2.

To that end Iona is generally a more unfair card because it's played in an unfair manner, through reanimation and other cheating into play effects. Contamination is more fair because it requires another resource to continue staying on the board, and isn't easily cheated into play by anything other than Academy Rector.

But like I said I wasn't talking about fairness in the MTG sense, as I said in >>51924814

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>>51924786

>>51925029
I honestly don't expect Wizards to follow the Egyptian pantheon too closely. I feel we get better feelings of the colors just from art depiction.

Black is a pragmatic and self centered color. Grixis was about this. That and and stupid amount of zombies. Grixis shard was pretty much everyone for themselves and trying to outsmart and outplay everyone else in a climb to the top for power. Shrewd negotiations, powerful magics that had a focus on black's themes of how can this benefit me, that sort of thing. When I look at crocoman, I see a dude that is contempt with what he currently has and shows it off as a marker for status. Look at what I control and what follows me, look at what I have at my disposal.

Jund is survival of the fittest and just kind of stupid aggression. Jackal looks ready for combat or engaging in it. That plus the red hues and pyramid mountain, it's probably red or Jund.

Watch crocman be like a guide for the dead or some shit and mono black and jackal be mono red war god though.

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>>51924786
>Kambal

Can't say my Kambal is anything like hard lockdown/stax, but I can say that he's a hell of a lot of fun to play with. I went more the constant drain/lifegain route.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-01-17-bleed-them-dry/

I'm looking at building a new deck and I've spent the last year playing Kalemne voltron and Rafiq control and I'm looking for the most annoying combo commander I can get without running teysa or ayli, theres already a a guy running Ghave at my LGS, what do?

>>51925071
You seem like a cool guy who wouldn't bully eight-and-a-half-tails players

>>51924786
Might want to build a new one. Both these decks kinda do +1/+1 counter stuff, and I don't wanna get stuck in a rut.

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>>51925169
forgot pic

>>51925062
>discussing the meta of other formats to prove a point in EDH
>I have my own definitions for words so that when others call me out on my autism I can just say that's not what I meant.
At no point did I mention MTG-specific lingo. That’s your red herring.

For the sake of argument, you're wrong to say Iona is less fair than contamination. It belongs to the most vulnerable permanent type, has a restrictive/color heavy investment, and only shuts down mono-colored deck (IF they even chose that color). Not to mention it's in one of the worst colors for ramp/draw/creature-tutor. Its only viability rests within reanimator decks, an incredibly fragile archetype.
On the other hand is contamination: a splashable, 3 CMC (hello Suntitan) card that has the quality of being in the second most protected permanent type, after lands. It also denies the lands in every deck that isn’t monoB from accessing its colors. It’s also in Black: the best color for tutoring and Blue’s rival for best draw. The sac trigger at upkeep is an easy to build around mechanic and it even affords you the option to end it if, for whatever reason, you needed to access different mana-abilities from your lands. Finally, it belongs in a stax archetype. A strategy that is consistently better than reanimator in all cases barring Christmasland t1 Jin-Gitaxias.

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>>51924475
>crocman be like a guide for the dead
Or just a straight up necromancer, undead enslaver. His art has zombies and his staff has bolas horns too.

Guiding the dead is Anubis/Anput's job, which makes me a little bummed out that the jackal looks like she's Jund.

>>51925346
>At no point did I mention MTG-specific lingo. That’s your red herring.
I continue to ask you why you keep replying to me then.
>For the sake of argument, you're wrong to say Iona is less fair than contamination
Yeah except that's wrong. They both do effectively the same thing except Iona continues to disrupt through mana rocks, those things you should be running if you don't want your deck to be fucking awful.

I could reply to each and every point with some nice greentext showing how fucking stupid you are for comparing functionally identical lock pieces but instead I'm going to go, have fun being an S-Class autist making up arguments.

>>51923408
Like >>51923434 said and if you're not gonna play standard, never buy standard cards, just wait until they rotate. Most of standard becomes absolutely worthless when they rotate or are close being rotated

>>51924899

>white needs help

Balance is not going to help your white weenie deck, balance is for ruthless artifact stax decks that definitely don't need any more help

>deadeye navigator, a shit card, is too broken for casual, but balance is fair

Come on now

>>51925434
Well, if it's directly based on Sobek, they could invoke the fact that Sobek warded off evil, especially that of the Nile. I imagine all the Gods will be twisted by Bolas' particular vision, though. I don't think we'll see any "good" ones.

>>51924271
What is great snake mistake combo?

which commander is the best one to run with 97 - 99 basic lands?

>>51925519
Read the thread.

>>51925525
Gitfrog?
Borborygmos Enraged??

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>>51925511
Could be Sobek, could be Ammit, who could be Jund/Grixis.
I'm curious to see what Bolas' influence on them is. I'm actually staring to give a shit about the lore again for the first time in years...

Also is Snek Bant?
Art has water and Bant is the only shard with UG.

>>51925462
>gets told
>'la-la-la I'm out of arguments so I'm going to mistakenly claim superiority and abandon thread'

>I continue to ask you why you keep replying to me then.
Because you have this very wrong notion in your head that Iona lock >= Contamination lock.
>they both do effectively the same thing
re-read >>51925346 Iona's lock is exceptionally more narrow than Contamination's
>mana rocks
congrats, it only took you 5+ posts to reach an actual talking point. Sadly, it's not a very good one. Yes, on-color mana can be accessed with artifacts and those permanents are an integral part of the game. The problem is, everyone who's not a shitter knows that and will include ways to deal with them. More importantly, the stax player whose using contamination will not play it until such threats have been dealt with and would be prudent to include answers for them (null rod)

>>51925525
monoR Ashling

>>51923735
Protection against grimy surfaces and the occasional soda spill

>>51925560
>I'm actually staring to give a shit about the lore again for the first time in years...

Don't worry, Wizards will fix that problem with a series of poorly written fanfic-tier stories about the Jacetice League.

>>51924245
Or just playing him voltron by using his ability 10 times on himself in one turn and 1 shoting someone

>>51925560
>Also is Snek Bant?
I have a theory that they're changing the makeup of the shards. Kinda like they did in Khans to the Invasion Wedges. For example: Ana was the BUG Wedge and centered on Green and it's two enemy colors. Whereas Sultai was Black-centered with it's neighbor and their shared enemy.
I propose this time, if they do Shards, it will be centered on one color and the next two colors clockwise, an ally and an enemy.
White-centric Esper
Blue-centric Grixis
Black-centric Jund
Red-centric Naya
and Green-centric Bant
Just a thought. I'm likely putting too much into this.

>>51925864
It would certainly be a way to mix up the shards from their Alara origins.

>>51925864
Would be wierd to call Amonkhet shards by Alara names.

Reminder that there are only two types of color combinations that do not have a specific in-lore faction yet.
One is all colors, which might never get a specific faction since you can't build a set with only one faction.
The other is 4 colors combinations, which is what i'm gonna bet on here.

Cat - Blackless
Snek - Redless
Croc - Whiteless
Dog - Blueless
Bird - Greenless

>>51925975
well its not like they called the DTK two-colored clans after their Ravnican counterparts in-game. And, again, the Wedges were given a different name in KTK and FTR from their Invasion counterparts.
I was simply using the established Alara names for the shards in my previous post because that's what everyone knows them as.

Whare some commanders with really unusual mechanics? Think Sydri or Zedru.

>>51924475
>Kitty
Naya
>Snek
Bant
>Gator
Jund
>Pupper
Grixis
>Berd
Esper

This is the only correct answer and you know it.

>>51926036
Skeleton Shiiiiiiiiiip!

>>51925689
I'm hoping so hard for the professors guess that the jacetice league will lose on amonkhet to be correct.

>>51922490

If lattice is still out then no.

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>>51926121
But muh power of friendship

>>51926175
I really hope they sneak a mono-green flier through development that's so good it gives Maro a stroke.

>>51925975
>The other is 4 colors combinations, which is what i'm gonna bet on here.
>Cat - Blackless
>Snek - Redless
>Croc - Whiteless
>Dog - Blueless
>Bird - Greenless
Interesting idea, although I feel it would be hard to build a theme around.

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>>51926121
>They'll most likely kill one of the interesting planeswalkers like Ajani for drama and leave all the shitty ones no one likes alive

>>51926121
nahnahnahnahnononononononono They can't do that. Ajani has to free Elspeth from her Returned Mask first. Then he can die, or the previous event can happen as a result of him dying.

>>51926288
losing doesn't mean they have to die, pissing off to ravnica to lick their wounds or something would work too.

>>51926302
I stopped hating Jace already but he REALLY needs to fuck off to ravnica and do the job he signed up for instead of sticking his nose in every single plotline.

>>51926262
Well this set is definitely not going to be as diverse as Alara and Tarkir, more like Theros, which is probably not as good for these types of color factions.
Although Ravnica, which was a multicolor block, wasn't that diverse either.

Conceptually, i think 4 colors might be easier than wedges to define, since it's the absence of just a single color.

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>>51926390
>four is easier to define than three

>>51926390
>Conceptually, i think 4 colors might be easier than wedges to define, since it's the absence of just a single color

That's fine and dandy, but actually designing cards for that is damn near impossible. Nothing makes saskia black, or even green for example. Nothing about gay kings is red, nothing about yidris is black, etc. They are all flavor fails, since being !Not a color also almost always means they are !Not other colors. It's very hard to design a 4 color card that needs to be 4 colors. Designing one elegantly is almost impossible.

>>51926674
Well sure it's harder, but it's not a specific problem to 4 colors.
Like how most bant cards are indistinguishable from mono-white, naya from mono-green, except for those charms with "choose one effect from either color"

>>51925525
Oloro.

So I'm running a Teneb enchantress deck, but I'm considering making it G/W instead of B/G/W in order to streamline it a bit more.

Any thoughts or examples of G/W enchantress lists I can use for inspiration?

>>51926666
Yes it is.
It's complicated to define some three colors. Like temur, how can a faction be Gruul and Simic/Izzet at the same time? I think they ended up just downplaying blue a lot.
And how do you even differentiate Sultai from Grixis?

With 4 colors you just look at the missing color description and add a negative in front of it.
They could do this mechanically too, like "anti-green" sacrificing lands to play powerful cards.

>>51926893
If you do it like that then the pairs are defined by what they aren't far more than by what they are. Sacrificing lands is anti-green, but has absolutely nothing to do with WUBR.

Do you always hate Oloro, or just with certain builds?
I can get hating Oloro when it's just ultra pillowfort/stax, but when it's lifegain/drain or something I can't see a reason to hate it when shit like Kambal is perfectly fine.

>>51926921
Are you sure it doesn't?
Green represents nature, tradition, respect of the past and ancestors.
So WUBR would be completely unfettered progress. Destroying your own lands in the name of the future would be perfectly fitting in terms of flavor.

>>51926264

They'll probably just kill Gideon. He started doubting the Jacetice League in Kaladesh and we can't have him doing that, can we?

>>51926990
No, please god.
He's the only character that's even slightly relatable at this point.

>>51921757
He's propably saying that because the most popyular scion bud is dragon reanimator toolbox not hermit druid combo. That may be the strongest build, but I have only seen dragon toolboxes with scion at the helm so far and it's not like my meta is populated by timmy and his stompy dudes

>>51922592

Crocodilemen are objectively Jund

WHEN DO SPOILERS BEGINNNNNNNNNNNN

If you have an Oldrazi titan as your general, and and you let them get sent to the graveyard, can you choose to let them go to the command zone while still shuffling your graveyard into your library?

>>51927085
Yes.

>>51926962
I'm pretty sure people just kneejerk hate every single one of the 2013 commanders, and for good reason. They are all retardedly designed and have tier 1 builds. Oloro is a dumb as fuck Esper control commander, with usually small lifegain/pay life themes. If you wanted people to not hate it you would have to get rid of all the decks control elements, since otherwise you will get dogpiled early because it's just the smart play from everyone at the table.

>>51926246
So a BoP reprint?

>>51926962
>Do you always hate Oloro
Yes. Much like a Prosh/Derevi deck, it could be magical fun christmasland for everyone, but it almost never is, and no one will get the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise.

>>51927324

How do you deal with Prossh decks? they win so fast

>>51927324
But why? What's so unfun about it?

>>51927039
>generic white man is the only relatable character
Ugh, I can't even right now

>>51927398
>>51927398
Boardwipes. Prosh needs a ton of tokens to do anything. Sadistic Sacramenting his foodchain is usually a pretty good option. Worst comes to worst, team up with the inevitable control faggot and fuck up his day.

>>51927402
>hurf durf, you know how most of you built decks around your commander? Well, I did too, except I never need to cast mine and it's going to gain me a billion life AND it's in Esper colours so I have access to basically every no-fun-allowed card ever printed.

>>51927085
No.

>>51927421
But b-but what if I hardly run any control cards and no counterspells and the only pillowfort I run is ghostly prison and propaganda?

>>51927446
Then you're probably one of those aetherflux reservoir/felidar faggots, and don't you dare lie to me, I know you've got a cyclonic rift and some dickass removal.

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>>51927250
Silly Anon, we leave the important stuff for Conspiracy

>>51927480
I run aetherflux but not any of the "if you have this amount of life, you win" cards since they're boring. I also always have a card to switch in if people don't like exquisite blood and everything it combo's with.
I do run strong orzhov removal, and slaughter since it's fun.
And yes I use cyclonic rift, but everyone does that.

p-please like me ;_;

>>51925975
4 colour does have a name set, just not a faction

Whiteless: Glint
Blueless: Dune
Blackless: Ink
Redless: Witch
Greenless: Yore

>>51927874
You just made those up. Just because the nephilim were the only 4 colours, it doesn't mean that the colours are in their name.
Besides
>ink
>nonblack

>>51927085
Pretty sure that's yes. They get sent to the graveyard, their ability triggers, they WOULD be sent to the deck, but you send it to the command zone as a replacement effect, correct?

Maybe ask a judge.

>>51925864
I was thinking about this when the God art got spoiled and I was trying to match up gods to shards. It could definitely be the way they go with it.
However it causes a problem in the draft environment. Each shard has two allies that are both shared by another shard, and one enemy that isn't shared by either. If you focus on the enemy color combination, you are committing to a certain shard. I suppose with enough fixing it's okay, but then you end up with a bunch of 4 color goodstuff decks:
>Shard theme set draft
>Draft a bunch of enemy color-combo cards
>Draft a wedge because of this
>But my bomb is a shard colored fatty
>Just go 4color

I do want it though. They shouldn't feel like they can't explore the enemy color part of the shards.
Bant becomes Simic with morality.
Esper becomes Orzhov but more cunning.
Grixis becomes Izzit full on necromancer, enslaving undead armies.
Jund becomes Golgari but angry.
Naya becomes Boros but with a nature connection.

>>51924475
they are clearly all 5 artifacts cards and probably wedges gods.

>>51928085
With the new tuck rule that is correct, any time a commander changes zone it can be replaced to the command zone.

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What are some fantastic additions to the stock pic related deck? Just picked her up and struggling to think of things to add.

>>51928159

Combo

Combo

Just add tons and tons of combo

You just add combo until you stop having friends

>>51928159
goblin welder, sfm, time seive, eldrazi displacer, grand architect, thopter foundry, sword of the meek, and a gun to kill yourself when your friends kick you out of the playgroup because you win every game.

>>51928198
Oh yeah you also want nim deathmantle, an inkmoth nexus and cranial plating.

>>51928198
>sfm
What's that?

>>51928159
eldrazi displacer is a must have, dont know why they didnt put it in the original deck. honestly any flicker effect is good with her

you will probably end up going combo with her like everyone else so shit like ashnods alter, blasting station, scrap trawler, etc

>>51928290
Stoneforge mystic

>>51927085
AFAIK the rule since the tuck change just says if your commander would move from any zone to any zone other than the battlefield, you may put it in your command zone instead. So,
>battlefield to graveyard
>battlefield to Exile
>battlefield to hand
>graveyard to Exile
>graveyard to hand
>graveyard to library
>hand to graveyard
>hand to library (such as vendillion clique effect)
>etc
Are all situations where you could put it back in the command zone instead

>>51928364
Wait, if you let your commander get tucked and then use green sun's zenith to put it on the battlefield, can you let it go to the command zone instead? Or if you draw it from your library?

>>51928500
Did you read the post?

>>51928500
No to gsz, yes to drawing it. I do not know why you would do either of these things though.

>>51928500
It cant go to from the battlefield to the command zone, but it can do all that other shit. If you pitch a commander to a discard effect you can put it in the command zone.

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Hey people, need some more input on my Enchantress Voltron build. I am concerned about the following:

>I have only two sources of targeted hexproof and one source of indestructible in this; should I put in more?

>Is it really worth it running spot removal? I can't force myself to cut Swords or Beast Within but can't help thinking that two pieces of spot removal is eh.

Here's my list:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jenaras-bant-enchantress/

Have some bears

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>>51928513
I'm a dummy.

>>51928517
For drawing, the answer is pretty simple.
O L O R O
L
O
R
O

>>51928500
No to GSZ, the replacement effect doesn't work for entering the battlefield. But if you were to draw it or tutor it to your hand, or if it was milled from your library, those are situations where you could use the replacement effect.

>>51928542
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXuO1eB2kJw

>>51928153
Only if if it's going from the battlefield to a new zone.

>>51928164
So like Ghave.

>>51928719
Holy shit you are so wrong. There is no need to be so wrong. The information is available to you in a link that's right in the OP.

You stupid fuck.

>>51928153
You are wrong too, if it's being placed onto the battlefield no replacement effect applies.

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>>51928542
feedback pls

>>51924284
Could I get that Melek decklist? I want to try spellslinging but have no idea how to start

>>51928824
Not on tappedout yet, but give me a bit and I'll whip something up

>>51928719
Or from graveyeard. Or from hand. Or from exile. Or from stack.

>>51927085
Kinda sorta. If you shunt them to the Command Zone, they never hit the graveyard, and won't trigger. What you -can- do though is let them hit the graveyard, and then when the shuffle trigger resolves, put it into your Command Zone instead of into your library.

>>51928085
Not quite. If you invoke the replacement effect, they never trigger in the first place.

>>51928153
Half right. It's any time it would be exiled from anywhere, or put into its owner's hand/graveyard/library from anywhere. If it was 'any time it changes zones' then you could technically invoke it as it would enter the battlefield, which you can't.

>>51928542
Spot removal is necessary so i would leave them. Regarding the other auras, if your meta makes jenara die a lot, i would add them. Otherwise, your deck seems solid as of now. Your mana curve seems fine so I'll playtest the deck first before making changes if i were you

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>>51924786
Friendo you must tell me two things ...
a) How have you magically centered cards in those toploaders?
b) What sleeve is making that swirly effect on the border of it and where can I get my hands on some??
------
Grimgrin -> Sidisi
Krenko -> R/B Grenzo
Varolz -> Mimeoplasm

>>51929232
Not him, but the answer to a) and b) both is "the cards are triple sleeved". The swirly thing is from an outer sleeve called a Character Guard.

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Damnation gets a reprint in MM2017. How do you feel about this?

>>51929264
Fine. It deserved a reprint long ago

>>51929263
Many thanks!
>>51929264
Totally chill with it

>>51929264
Big thumbs up. It's needed a reprint for almost ten fucking years.

>>51929264
Fine with me. Just bought a Chinaman proxy :^)

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>>51929264
REPRINTED
DAMNATION
AT
R A R E

POST YFW LADS

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>>51929264
Welp, it was fun being the only person in my group with a damnation while it lasted.

>>51929264
I needed this for my nekusar, finally ill be able to have complete control.

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>>51929490
Mine's still cooler than the ones everyone else will be playing :^)

>>51929682
Damn, nice find.

My brother managed to get a Jude promo Elesh Norn as repayment for bale money.

>>51929705
>Nice find
Eh, less 'find', more 'was given to me'.

>>51929476
There's literally no reason to print it as mythic though.
I really fucking hate the new ugly ass borders and that goddamn blip as well. I'm glad I have the original

>>51929682
>>51929721
>cooler
>new borders
>implying
Foil PLC Damnation is the best. Second best is the non foil.
I'm glad Hanna got her promo before the ugly ass borders.

>>51929797

I want my commanders in old white borders desu

>>51929797
>>51929761
>Ugly-ass borders
Literally the only difference is a slightly thicker bottom border and the holo blip. The card is almost indistinguishably identical until you get to the last what, two millimeters?

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>>51929844
It's funny seeing people getting triggered over a card appearence.
>>51929264
Fucking glad it finally gets reprinted. I wish it gets reprinted again in the next modern masters or conspiracy to crash its value

>>51929844
I don't like it either
fuck that blip and all the other shit at the bottom

>>51930018
I mean, I get people having preferences. I'm not a big fan of the old-borders, but I don't froth at the mouth over them. And the Pre-8th to Post-8th change was WAY bigger than the Pre-Origins to Post-Origins, and I've seen ten times more hate for these new ones.

>>51929761
>>51929797
>>51929844
>TFW you have the full art promo

Git gud, best damnation reporting in.

Also it's funny that people have been bitching about a reprint even though it has been printed 3 times already.

>>51929844
You also forgot the fact that the stupid colour stops like 3/4 of the way like it curves behind the rules box, but that blip is the main offender anyway. I liked it like for a week when m15 came out and I can't remember why.

>>51930071
>color stops like 3/4 of the way
...no? The color 'stops' down at the very absolute bottom where the curves are, and it's hardly even visible on a black card.

>>51930071
Why do people hate the blip, it does make it rather hard to counterfeit cards.

What would you have done instead?

>>51930063
I hope you're not serious. They're not really reprints, because they didn't appear in a set. I wouldn't say that FTVs are reprints either, but usually anyone can get them anyway, so it's much better than any kind of promo cards.

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>tfw my Mishra decks keeps getting hated on despite no win conditions

Oh well, I guess I'll actually get to play one day.

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>>51924786
don't have time to make a new one right now.

Krenko just got turned into raidmother wort.

>>51928824
>>51928977
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hey-wanna-see-something-cool-1/
Here ya go

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guys, have you checked mm17 spoilers yet?

>>51930085
You must be blind if you can't see it and besides, it still looks ugly. Either way.
>>51930096
While I understand that it's great for that purpose and something like watermark is the best way to prevent counterfeits, I feel like that it's the absolute only reason it exists.
Why I dislike it is solely because it looks ugly. That means that I don't like the way it looks. Besides, it's only in rares and mythics.

>>51930198
Literally like 20 posts above you with 8 replies

>>51930103
I am serious anon. Also it's probably much easier to have gotten one of the rewards cards than it would have been cracking packs in planar chaos.

Secondary market fixes things. We don't actually know how many of these are going to be printed either. Doesn't really help folks if it's super limited like first mm. It would drop the price about the same as if they introduced another promo.

>>51930071
>I liked it like for a week when m15 came out and I can't remember why.
That was your honest opinion before you let the voice of the internet get to you, you pathetic sheep

>>51930215
I can see it, but you're acting like it takes up half of the card when it barely takes up any. Whether or not it's ugly is a matter of opinion, but you're literally pointing at two buckets and saying "There are 15 buckets".

>>51930267
t. MaRo

>>51930247
Well, I mainly meant that reprints only count for non limited products, so the "no reprints" means that you can't get it from a booster pack.
>>51930267
Probably because it was new and I'm a sucker for shiny things. It looks fucking ugly. It's not good, because you have bad taste, MaRo.
>>51930343
Yeah, I wasn't being realistic, you sound like finding hyperboles on this purgatory site is unheard of. Still, the colours not reaching the bottom is not something I like. It just looks stupid, like wizards is trying to cut corners on saving ink.

>>51930659
>Yeah, I wasn't being realistic
Then don't be surprised when people mock you for your out-of-proportion spergouts.

>>51926962

I think what people dislike about oloro is how stupid the design is, not necessarily that it's broken. Why does he get a fuckin turn 0 emblem? It's retarded

>>51930681
>he said 25% instead of 20% so his opinion is invalidated!

>>51930705
Actually, you said 3/4s, when it's more like 1/8th.

And if you'd just said the honest truth you said here >>51930659 , of "The colours not reaching the bottom is not something I like. it just looks stupid", that'd be fine! That is a personal opinion, and one that is totally reasonable. "I just don't like the way it looks" is fine.

Throwing a fucking autistic screeching fit over the tiny little wedge going "Three fourths of the way up the card" is not. It makes you look stupid.

>>51930744
The colors not reaching the bottom is hideous, m15 border is trash

Also the colors themselves are slightly different than they used to be, blue cards are especially atrocious now, also dual lands that make green are now a lame sea foam color on their green side, it's disgusting

>>51930744
To be fair, you sound like a complete autist at this point. Just because the numerical value isn't accurate, it doesn't mean that it doesn't have a point. Besides, it's more like 7/8ths. If you try to correct someone, at least do it with you being correct.

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>>51930821
Yeah, I see what you mean. These colors are COMPLETELY different!

>>51930830
>The black part goes 7/8ths of the way up the card
Are you fucking stupid?

>>51930865

Huh nvm I guess it was always that ugly color

I miss the way it used to look

Anyway they DID change the color of normal cards though, and it's ugly

>>51930940
>I miss the way it used to look
No, you miss the way you *think* it used to look, because you've decided that you hate the new frame so much you will literally invent reasons to hate it.

>>51930659
>Well, I mainly meant that reprints only count for non limited products

Then this isn't a reprint either
It's in a booster pack yes, but you must misunderstand if you think these are unlimited print runs not restricted to WPN only stores. These boosters (especially if they keep adding value cards) are going to soar in price and likely be hoarded by investors. It will have been easier to get player rewards promos than this.

>>51930873
We were talking about the colour that comes from topside of the card, not the fucking legal text part. Question is that are you fucking stupid?

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>>51930995
Wow yeah you're right the colors are so totally different there my bad

>>51930980
Well yeah, but these have never been limited in same sense than promos and FTV sets, but yeah, this isn't standard legal set so you got me there.
Still, I don't think investors will hoard this set anyway. I'm betting that we get only small amount of value cards anymore and this is mostly it and rest is gonna be garbage valuewise.

>>51930865
I don't like all the black shit at the bottom of the card, the aesthetics of bottom are terrible compared to the nice brown that wraps all the way around the card with the top

>>51931018
Did you even read what I was replying to? It was about the borders that curve behind the text box.

>>51930949

I mean you can look at old border cards and see that dual lands like the onslaught fetches had a different green

But anyway you can look at an m15 or later blue card and see the difference between that and modern border blue cards

Same with green stuff

Anyway I was just trolling you because you're getting all butt hurt defending the m15 border. It doesn't actually bother me much, it's very similar in the end, still magic cards.

But the m15 border is objectively the worst

anger or ogre battledriver?

>>51931158

Depends on if you have any discard, anger is very strong if you can discard, kinda decent if you can sac him, otherwise I don't think he's very good

>>51931049
>Well yeah, but these have never been limited in same sense than promos and FTV sets

Erhm, the manner of distribution is actually identical to ftv sets. Only WPN stores get these and they are limited in the amount they receive. Did you seriously not know this? Did you think you could pick up MM at Walmart?

>>51931201
Well, I live in Finland and here only dedicated game stores sell MtG products.
Although, I thought that FtV sets were produced less and they don't get any second runs, like EM did if I remember correctly

>>51930940
>nostalgiagoggles: the post

>>51931320
>Although, I thought that FtV sets were produced less and they don't get any second runs, like EM did if I remember correctly

EM did get a second run (it was the first time that happened and it hosed the shit out of some greedy investors). Though thats still not an unlimited number. If I store wanted to get 200 boxes of khaladesh from a distributor right now they could, IIRC only so many are allotted per store for shit like MM though. Just like FTV, its supposed to be a "gift" from WotC to brick and mortar stores, something they get (based on event attendance IIRC) and can mark up well past the MSRP since it should be a rarer find.

That being said you may feel that there is a lot more of them out there because it is much harder for the market to saturate some of these sets (in other words if they don't have a ton of value like the first MM did, its hard for them to disappear relative to the good FTV, that are only $35, and not much more than double that for the good ones).

But yeah, I would say things printed at rare+ in a set like this don't get any cheaper than if they appeared in a FTV, I would say a FTV helps reduce price a lot more actually (if this is what you are basing your criteria on).

For further proof, doubling season was reprinted in MM and it did not impact the price at all, its actually only gotten higher since.

>>51931073
So you've gone from "The black goes 7/8ths of the way up the card" to "the colors in the text box are wrong" to "the colors around the name are wrong" and you're circling back to "the black covers up the colors"

OK.

>>51931133
>I was just trolling
Ah, the last refuge for someone who finds out they were wrong: "I was only pretending to be retarded"

>>51931583
Oh, I didn't realize I was arguing with a retard. My bad.

>>51931632
>Keep making incorrect claims about why you hate something
>When your claims are shown to be factually incorrect, say you were complaining about something entirely different
>Repeat until you've cycled back to the first thing you were bitching about
>call the other person a retard
OK

>>51931651
>Don't understand what the topic of discussion is
>claim otherwise
>instead of re-reading the posts convince yourself that you're right
>being this much of a mouthbreather
>??????
>profit

>>51931737
Whatever you have to tell yourself to feel like you 'won', buddy.

>>51923190
Get rekt Leviathan is best Leviathan

>>51931756
>having a poor reading comprehension
>blame it on others
>being a martyr
>in the year of 2000+17

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>everyone tapped out
>Mana Geyser to float a fuckbillion mana
>force the Azami player to mill himself with a 324/324 Thromok and Altar of Dementia
>Past in Flames to Flashback every token spell in my graveyard
>Recast a fuckhuge Thromok
>Fling, sac Thromok targeting Gahiji player
>Fork targeting Fling to blast the Sydri player
Gruul is a fucking drug and I am an addict

>>51930179
Why the counterpart? Doesnt seem that good.

What the fuck happened to Primal Vigor's price? Is it because of non-Superfriends Atraxa builds and people not wanting to drop $60 on Doubling Season?

>>51924675
this list makes me sad

>>51932007
What the fucking shit? I got that garbage card for like 2 euros and judge foil DS for like 27.
Fucking Atraxa I swear

The MM17 spoilers so far are fucking amazing.

Finally some fetches, shame about them not being in a normal set though.

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>>51931972
Reminds me of the bobo enraged story where the guy pukes 4 lands from hand with bobo, with furnace of rath, floats all his mana, sacs all of it with zuran orb, returns all lands from yard to hand with the floating mana, then shells the entire field to death with like the 20 lands that recurred from yard to hand

BOBO ENGAGED

>>51932353
Personally I found the explanation of why Damnation's reprint took so long to be fairly interesting

>>51932353
That's because the fetches in standard were a mistake. Wizards don't want that anymore, so they'd print in non-standard set all the cards that are too powerful or meta breaking.

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What is the best big green creature to put into a BURG deck to grab with Nautral Order? I'd like it to be able to be 7 cmc if possible

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>>51924786
Used to also have slivers, but I disassembled it. Wasn't really a lot of fun.

>>51932536
nah, fetches in Standard are fine if all they can find is basics. It was fetches + Battlelands that was an issue.

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>>51924786
I've got everything for Ghave in the mail, so that'll be assembled in paper soon.

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>>51931972
>Playing Thromok
Great taste

>>51931972
You got a list fampai?

>Building a mono black deck (Gonti)
>See Damnation reprint

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>>51932585
I really hate unimaginative people like this guy

>>51933316
What's wrong?

>>51933316
found the azorius combo player

>>51933451
It's just durr big shitty dragons derp

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I have 3 PDH decks
Bloodbraid - general damage
Enlisted Wurm - big boy club
Kathari Remnant - just a bunch of artifact equipments that easily swarm the field and pump niggas up
I want to do Shardless Agent but I'm having trouble picking a direction for her
I could just try to full on ramp and just focus on getting big guys out but I think there might be another direction to take her
Any thoughts?

>>51933316
What's unimaginative there? Rith Tokens is pretty obvious but that's not bad, the other three dragons are somewhat interesting takes on Commanders that aren't super-represented, and the Lovisa deck is pretty original.

>>51932585
>no teneb
it's shit

>>51933481
Something more competitive has never been necessary for my playgroup. Been thinking about making Athreos Apostles, Oloro chair tribal, or actually make a fun and non-shitty version of Slivers.

>>51932559
Giant adephage?

>>51933660
>Chair Tribal
Oooh, do ladies looking left after that

>>51933660
Play orlo infect. Its hilarious when your esper deck runs a train on the other aggro decks.

>>51932559
Best at exactly 7 CMC? Depends. Simic Sky-Swallower is a hard-to-kill evasive beater, Atarka 1.0 swings for 12 but is easier to kill, Charnelhoard Worm can let you get back Natural Order or other cards, Damia draws hella cards, Aetherwind Basker hits hard, Avenger of Zendikar is a big guy, etc.

>>51929264
Toxic deluge is still functionally and flavored better for black

>>51933803
>Oloro infect
So, Skittles except less reliable.

>>51933876
Personally, I prefer Mutilate.
Even if it's not as good in Commander, it just gets the whole "behold my dark power" thing down.
I like all swamp-counting ("Nightmare") effects, really.

>>51933881
You mean hilariously more so
>all of whites tutors and lifegain
>all of whites doublestrike
>blue counters to protect your enchantments
>flash
>black infect
>you put skittles in the 99
all without the hate of being a skittles infect deck, its like a combo deck that also gets huge fatties and lots of life.

>>51933992
Literally all I'll give you there is white having a small handful of things to give double-strike (most of which are expensive). In exchange for that, you weaken the shit out of Nightmare Lash and Lashwrithe, and put your most dependable infect guy into your 99 instead of having him constantly at the ready.

>>51934078
>most double strike enchantments are 3-4 mana
>expensive
How am i ever going to pay for my tainted strike on my reanimed avecyn when i had to pay 3 mana to give her double strike? How the fuck could I achieve such a feat in magic,you have made me see the light. Im going to burn my sigaurdas blessing and my serra ascendant because you got me.

>>51932623
Taking votes on what deck to look into finishing in paper next:

-Winter Tribal
-Orkz Tribal
-"You did this to yourself".dec
-Metal Tribal
-Ocean Tribal

>>51934253
So, you'd rather use a minimum of 4 cards (not-infect beater, Tainted Strike, a reanimation spell, and a 3 mana double-strike spell) across 2-3 colors and 2-3 turns, than play a turn 4 Skittles and a turn 5 Hatred.

OK.

>>51934290
To be fair, tainted strike is hilarious as a fog as well

>>51934455
I mean, it only 'fogs' one creature that'd be doing less than 9 damage.

>>51934253
Better question, why are you using Tainted Strike -and- a double strike spell on an 8/8 instead of just reanimating a 9 power creature?

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>>51924786
Going over my list of decks I've come to the conclusion I have no real traditional Blue commander. What's a fun U/x deck that's not too gamebreakingly strong? Can be mono-blue or a 2-color/3-color deck with a blue focus.

>>51934290
Because I have a meta with Ld, counters and removal and we dont allow people to sit there and just muligan for their combos.
>>51934502
because its an enchantment that sits on the battlefield, it lets my enlightened tutor look for various wincons. Sometimes you kill somebody with normal beats and then get a chance later to close out the game with a 12/6 serra ascendant because you flashed on infect after no blocks.

>>51934672
>and we don't allow people to sit there and just mulligan for their combos
So your solution to that is to change from "two card one-shot, one of those cards being your commander" to "four-card one-shot, zero of those cards are your commander".

OK.

>>51934672
So your meta has counters and removal, but you're defending an enchantment that just sits there, vulnerable, doing nothing, until you try to one-shot people.

Boy, you dumb as hell.

>>51934486
Sometimes, that's just enough to come back. But then again the metas I play usually win with combat damage. Only alternate wins I've seen of late is lab man, group slug, and lockdown solitaire. (He copied after countering a praetor's council for all of his counterspells, couldn't finish the game as I had to leave for class)

>>51934748
Oh, I totally agree that it can blank an attack if they have no other way of doing infect damage to you, I just feel like the number of situations where you'd survive N+1 Poison damage but not N normal damage, all from one attacking source, is so narrow that you can't really rely on it. It's like calling Fog a win-con because they might attack you all-out during a Final Fortune turn and casting Fog keeps you alive so they die.

>>51934699
I assemble a scenario where the alpha strike is lethal, and spread the threats to become so numerous that they cannot be dealt with.
>>51934713
No, I beat their faces all game while countering their spells and then one shot opponents who make it to the late game.

>>51934809
So you play a typical WUB control deck that occasionally throws a Tainted Strike, and call it a better infect deck than Skittles.

Then again, you are talking about a christmasland where you're able to successfully play "Draw, go" counter.dec against 3 players, so clearly you're better at Magic than me.

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Burd is Bant
Snek is Esper
Dog is Grixis
Croc is Jund
Cat is Naya

That's how I'm calling it.

>>51934843
At least i dont play a one trick pony deck that needs a specific pump spell and cant protect its combos. Better hope your playgroup doesnt discover force of will and wrath of god lmao.

>>51933803
Breya would be 10x better for that

>>51934884
Oh, I don't play it either, I just think it's hilarious how you put Tainted Strike into what sounds like a really shitty Esper deck and think you've created the perfect infect deck.

Lemme guess- you also put Psychosis Crawler and zero draw spells in there to create the perfect burn deck?

>>51932585
>Not doing Numot the CarpetBomber and blowing up everyone's lands

>>51934884
>Needs a specific pump spell
>What is Lashwrithe
>What is Nightmare Lash
>What is Liliana of the Dark Realms
>What is Howl from Beyond
>What are equipment
>What are auras
Your 'infect' deck relies on you resolving literally 1 fucking card, and you're gonna bash on Hatred for being the best pump spell?

>>51934809
This sounds like you have really big idiots in your meta, no one there can play MtG let alone commander, you're casual of the casual land or you're either overestimating the deck and your ability to play way too much or any given combination of the above.
You're talking about shit cards in a shit deck. Besides, if you play an actual infect, there's no late game. Either you win soon or lose soon.

>>51934937
Its a better infect deck than monoblack, and since you're unaware there are enchantments that grant infect.
>>51934935
Thats literally too easy, there are already so many combos in breya an infinite infect bolting is no different than any of her other combos.

>>51934937
>>51934982
Stop replying, he's either and idiot or a troll. Probably both. There's no learning when someone doesn't understand where's the issue.

>>51932372
Ballertime right there. Gruul is the funnest, man, you can do so much wild shit

>>51934982
Dumbass I have all the infect enchantments and an artifact that grants infect, get good at magic. Redundancy is the cornerstone of strategy.
>>51934989
Why lose when you can play control

>>51935027
>being this delusional
Exactly why is it better than monoblack infect? Because it has access to irrelevant garbage cards? Or because it has access to cards that have no business being in infect, which is supposed to be either combo or fast combat either way?

>>51933516
Rith used to be Dune-Brood Nephilim but my friend managed to convince me I should pick Rith instead, mostly because having Rith as a commander wouldn't force me to dedicate like 10 slots to evasion. It's not the best or the most fun, but it's my first EDH deck and it'll always be.

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>>51935132
NEPHILIM ARE NOT LEGENDARY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>51935121
Because it is an inherently shitty combo in commander. Youre basically playing a monoblack commander with double strike and feeling proud that you know have a pump spell because your playgroup is too retarded to use counterspells and removal. Why be a glass canon when other decks do that better, when you could be piloting a deck to victory. If you wanted to retard rush you might as well play prossh because it doesnt exist to hunt for one card while not just folding to disruption.

>>51935255
>it's another "HOUSE RULES ARE NOT ALLOWED" autist
How would you feel about my Exalted Witch-Maw deck?

>>51935255
>used to be