Horus Heresy General - /hhg/

>>51899647
Thought about it, but they've been out there a while and I may well want a couple casts of the skull. Also easier to work with resin if I want to shorten the legs down to Warhound length, slicing bone is not an exact science. Also going to have to greenstuff up some muscle and connective tissue, with cybernetics, and make a body. I have a few ideas.

I do have a spare leg, though. Looks like something ran off with leg #4.
Was thinking of removing the back part of the skull and having the roof of it be magnetised and removable, so I can make a cockpit with Princeps.

>>51899889
What is that disgusting degenerate furry doing on the noble Leman Russ ?

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Can anyone provide a rules explanation? So Medusan Immortals can exchange bolters for chainswords, but isn't it pointless because of their boarding shields? Is it just a case of classic Forgeworld editing, or does BP+CS """technically""" not count when they restrict

>"models equipped with them cannot claim the extra attack for being armed with an additional close combat weapon"

Also, whaddya think of the /wip/ Immortals? I've yet to shade most of the metals, but I'm liking the armor so far. For basing the idea of Agrellan Badland with that cool toxic sludge thing Duncan did a few days back seems like a really good contrast, especially with the two shades of green wrapping it all together.

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I'm probably going to wash this in simple green, but what do you guys think of the wolf like lenses? Too tacky?

>>51900017
Pistols count as an additional close combat weapon in an assault. So yes, the chainswords are a pointless upgrade. But it would look cool I guess

>>51900044
It looks ... EXTREMELY derpy. As in meme material levels of derpy

>>51900044
Is he supposed to have only one hand?

>>51900117
Correct.

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>>51900062
>look cool
Sadly, it actually looks really retarded. The sarge is holding a sword now, but originally I tried a phalanx-style thing where he's stabbing through the shield nook. It looked dumb, and with a chainsword it'd only look worse.

>>51900044
Those eyes look really, really tacky. Just do normal.

Also, you might wanna change the blood. If his hand got chopped off, then the blood wouldn't be so thick and condensed, or he'd be dead. Maybe if he was holding someone's head?

>>51900162
You should greenstuff some loose skin or flesh from the gauntlet, the cut looks too clean imo. Not much, just a little bit.

>>51900044
Lenses don't work for my money. They look like he's smeared them with marmalade.

>>51900162
What this >>51900205 fellow human says. Or, if you want it to seem a clean cut from a power weapon (say) you could do a burnt effect across the face of the stump.

>>51900009
>implying furries aren't constantly on top of leman russ

>>51900364
>>51900205
Yeh I think I'll try stick a tiny wire rod into the stump in 2 places, and then snip it short, paint them bone white. Then I'll ad a tiny dab more blood. Thanks for the good ideas.

Anyone actually play with the Warhound Titan ever? What's the general opinion on how to equip one? Seeing as I'm getting some Titan Guard for my Reductor, it would fit nicely if it's not an unstoppable ball of cheese.

>>51900090
Yeah now that I look at it, it looks more housecat, rather than like a wolf.

>>51900475
Here's the tier for warhound loadouts
>two laser destroyers
Cheese, although if your opponent is bringing a titan himself it becomes acceptable.
>one laser destroyer + one other weapon
This is fine in my opinion.
>two non-laser weapons
Slightly underpowered.

>>51900527
If I even get one it will have a laser destroyer and a plasma blast gun. That's a fairly big 'if' though ;_;

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>>51900475
There's only one correct answer.

>>51900527
OK, shiny. Seems best to magnetize the arm weapons anyway. Plasma Blastgun and Turbo-Laser seems nice, tossing out two Massive Blast S8 AP2 shots will probably mince marines, or charge it up and decimate a Custodes deathstar. Don't think it will be in Titan duels that often, but there will certainly be enemy heavy vehicles and aircraft for me to worry about.

>>51900610
That's what I'd do, which Legio?

Can Solar Auxilia do a tank company well?

>>51900615
Man, I wish they had more esoteric weapons. Some kind of giant rad-cannon, and those too. Weren't they basically anti-Titan harpoons?

>>51900665

I suspect bait, but hell yes they can. Pretty much the best one in the game, too. 18 squads of Horde-munching medium infantry in 5HP Vindicators with Flare Shields as troops, Malcador Infernus chem-flamers with Preferred Enemy and Overwatch in the Heavy Support slot, Stormblades with the same, Russes with volkite cannons...

>>51900701
Not bait, I just wanna break up my painting marines. Any advice on how to avoid park lot lists? I love White Scars because I always keep moving with them.

>>51900610

That's what I plan to arm my Warhound, Tonitrique with.

>>51900615

Lotara is blonde, not brunette.

This triggers my lore autism.

>>51900820
Loretism?

>>51900619
I'm not too familiar with the titan legions yet, haven't read up on their fluff too much.

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>>51900701
>Weren't they basically anti-Titan harpoons?
Yes

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>>51900899

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What's happening at your hobby HQ

Why was there so much Emperor's Children talk in the last thread? It's just a bit weird to see so much of it happen all at once in these threads.

>>51900908
OK, that's cool. Not sure how I'd go about making or statting out one of those, though, if I felt like going homebrew for the scratchbuilt Titan. Weapon arms will be magnetized, so I might make some custom ones.

Not sure how I'd do the body, especially since there's got to be a reactor in there somewhere.

Probably going to be Legio Kydianos or Legio Vulturum, since my Knight is House Malinax, so one of Xana's legions makes sense. Not sure which to pick or what colours to use.

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>>51900928
Finishing up the BoP set, for soem reason keep rushign to get the big guys built and forgetting Ive got 30 marines and 2 characters to paint.

is this 2155/2500 TS list too powergamey? I avoided spamming tons of Sekhmet and didn't include either Ahriman or Magnus (or even a Lord of War) but this still feels like I'm being an Eldar tier cunt

Guard of the Crimson King: 2,155

HQ
Praetor, Mastery Level 3, Force Weapon, Combi-weapon, Cataphractii Armor, 225 pts
Raptora / Biomancy
Elites
10 x Veteran Tactical Squad, Mastery Level 1, Sgt with Artificer Armor/Power Fist, 210 pts
Corvidae / Divination
10 x Veteran Tactical Squad, Mastery Level 1, Sgt with Artificer Armor/Power Fist, 210 pts
Corvidae / Divination
Troops
5 x Cataphractii Sekhmet Terminators, Force Axes,Combi-weapons, 280 pts
Raptora / Molten Beam, Levitate
5 x Tartaros Sekhmet Terminators, 4 Power Fists, 1 Chain Fist, 285 pts
Raptora / Levitate, Psychic Maelstrom
5 x Tartaros Sekhmet Terminators, 4 Power Fists, 1 Chain Fist, 285 pts
Raptora/ Levitate, Psychic Maelstrom

Fast Attack
1 x Dreadclaw, 115 pts
1 x Dreadclaw, 115 pts

Heavy Support
1 x Leviathan Siege Dreadnought, Grav Bombard, Siege Drill, AC, Phosphex, Drop Pod, 430 pts

>>51901172
Lack of magnus makes this manageable

If I made a custodes army, I would only use guys with spears. No swords, no shields. Anyone else?

>>51900044
It looks like the "JUST" eyes.

Not terribly painted otherwise, but you overdid it with the blood and I'm not entirely convinced by the weathering (though it is better than my earliest attempts before I decided to drop it and stick with the shiny-clean look).

>>51901200
emperor bless. how would you fill out the remaining three hundred points keeping with the "drop assault" theme?

>>51901246
flyers

>>51901226
The spears are shit though and it makes more sense that they'd be using swords and shields in the field. the GUARDIAN spears are ceremonial weapons to protect the Golden Palace.

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>>51899889
Kek. Hope you boys are ready for the Death Guard treatment.

>go through baneblade bits for a project
>look through all my boxes
>there's like stuff for 3 baneblade hulls

Huh, when did that happen? Are they multiplying via mitosis?

Also, does Blood and Skulls have any retail outlet in Europe? I wanted to get some bits, but with postage, taxes and customs, I'm looking at almost 100€ for a few things. I really want to make more than just a stock GW tank and I don't know any other company that makes Baneblade bits.

>>51901288
Actually the guardian spears are far from ceremonial weapons, and one of the best weapons the Imperium can produce. Shields would be more effective to protect the palace, as fighting in corridors means that the enemy can't just flank you and make the shields pointless. But because rules =/= fluff in the game it is the wrong way around.

>>51901316
Gotta open up dem borders for papa Nurgle's blessings.

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>>51901393
The apothecaries will be busy, and everyone will be busy trying to read their hand writing.

Has any TS player contemplated the idea of an aggressive melee, pavoni/pyrae list with bikes and assault marines? I'm not sure how effective it would be, but i figure it would hit people in unexpected ways.

Thinking of starting a joint Iron Hands/Mechanicum list, but for starters will just put together the IH section. Does this seem like a decent core for an army? If you think the symmetry is a bit OCD, may I remind you which legion this is.

>Iron Hands (Head of the Gorgon)
Praetor (paragon blade, iron halo, cyber-familiar, digital lasers) - 180

15 Tacticals (vexilla, AA, power fist) - 210

15 Tacticals (vexilla, AA, power fist) - 210

10 Supports (volkite chargers, extra CCWs, AA, power fist) - 220
Rhino (pintle multimelta) - 50

10 Supports (volkite chargers, extra CCWs, AA, power fist) - 220
Rhino (pintle multimelta) - 50

2 Apothecaries (AA) - 110

2 Rapiers (2 laser destroyers) - 110

2 Rapiers (2 grav cannons) - 150

Vindicator - 120

Vindicator - 120

>Total - 1750

Tactical blobs (each with apothecary, one with praetor) and rapiers start on the table, and either lurk in deployment zone or trundle up the middle of the table. Both support squads and both vindicators outflank (hopefully having 4 units will be insurance/redundancy for the lack of reserve manipulation or Acute Senses). Oh, lack of anti-air is due to the low points level, and the hope that the mechanicum will provide that at higher points levels.

On that note, how cancerous would an allied detachment containing both a Thanatar and a Vultarix added to the above be? I love both models, but I know both have a bit of a reputation, and together may be even worse. My thinking would be that with no LOW or terminators-inna-spartan in the list the big automata would be my "deathstar" representation, but I worry about being cheesy.

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>>51901172
Strikes me as maybe just riding the line, plenty powerful but with certain weaknesses, both thematically appropriate. It depends to what extent you abuse levitation+maelstrom to turn your termies into mobile Vindicators that aren't weak against charging and have 4++ invulnerable saves covering 10 wounds. That would be very very cheesy, if you kite everything your opponent tries to charge you with, and put large blast ID AP1 on them if they try to shoot.

It will flatfoot certain types of armies, but I think you could possibly find yourself flat-footed by others. The things I see that differentiate it from similar PotL drop-pod+termie+leviathan lists are the psychic powers, which are an unknown quantity in practice to me desu. It seems to me if the enemy can avoid getting BTFO by the early alpha strike (difficult if PM is pulled off twice), the challenge is dealing with the MSU 2-wound terminators.

An important question to ask is what would YOU build if you were told to build an army against this?

>>51900899
>>51900911
Thank you.

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>>51900928
Finished painting and basing my Apothecary.

>>51901814
Ravenguard Plague-doctor, stylish.
Nice work Anon.

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>>51901814
Also based the DG dude and took pics with good light.

>>51901814
Neat Docmarine you got there.

>>51901673
Well, the tax on that is two Castellax and a Magos Dominus, although you could also bring Scoria if you want to deal with said Spartan Deathstars. I see no Manly Manus in there, or anything that would pose too much of a problem for an elite melee unit, so two Wrecker Castys with the Praetor, a Magos with a Machinator hiding with the Thanatar and one or two Vulturax should be fine, and lets the enemy not feel like their antiair is wasted. It is wasted, because the cutedrones are immortal haywire gods, but it's nice to give them hope ;).

If you want less tax, although Castellax are good bodyguards, just take 20 Fearless Carapace Adsecularis, which are also excellent obj holders and a tarpit only beaten by Militia Levies.

>>51901673
1 Vulturax should be acceptable, considering you have no other real AA, though 2 or more should really be avoided unless your meta is Armoured-Breakthrough-Up-The-Wazoo or Deathstar: the Spartaning.
A Thanatar and a Vulturax combo is strong, but manageable in most games at that points level.

>>51901316
>Breitbart

>>51901928
Still pretty worrying. But let's not get into a skubwar. Let's talk about something thread related. Imperial Army predictions?

>>51901877
>>51901913
Cool, thanks guys. Relief to know it should be fairly acceptable, and will stick to just the one flying haywire bug.

Had been leaning towards an adsecularis blob over castellex, but will do a bit more reading on that choice when it comes to it.

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>>51900928
Knocking out the last 10 of 15 tactical marines.

>>51901948
It would be nice to have them expanded but I don't see it happening. I fear Militia & Cults is all we're going to get.

Tallarn is the best shot for them though, if they get anything more, it'll be there.

>>51901814
Beakies as plaguedoctor apothecaries is the greatest idea ever. Nice work.

Anyone got that snap of the extract about the pseudo-(?)Saturnine armour the shattered legions were using, and could you tell me which book it was from?

>>51901928
How about the New England Journal of Medicine?

http://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc1612765

>m-muh fake news

>>51902016
Just make them half Militia and half SA.

>>51902006
Be warned that using Adsec will cost your other robots a point of initiative and make them harder to control, but since neither Thanatars or Vulturax should be in melee and the Magos will be with the Thanatar which is the only thing that needs control really, shouldn't be a problem. Wasn't there some way your HQ can take a Cortex Controller? Not sure about the specifics, but it could come in handy if he's with Castellax, then your Iron Father upgrade allows him to restore their wounds with Battlesmith and they won't run off and start punching Levies.

Don't overspend on the Magos, either. Naked 75pts is fine, but I would recommend a Machinator Array, it does so much for 25 pts. T5, Night Vision, Inferno Pistol and/or flamer as an extra shooting attack, 3+ Battlesmith for your Thanatar and tanks, and 2 extra Shred Armourbane Power Axe Attacks in melee, which helps if they try to lock up the Thanatar.
Other than that he's fine base.

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>>51902042
It's from Deeds Endure, in the Meduson trilogy.

I know calling it saturnine triggers some people, but for me the name hardly matters. If it's not saturnine, then that means there's TWO weird & funky terminator armours out there that we could get minis for one day, long in the future.

>>51902105
>trilogy
Anthology. WTF brain.

>>51902052
true, but then they've got to be careful to balance them properly, otherwise they'll either render SA and Militia pointless, or be pointless themselves

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>>51902122
I know, but it could be fun to figure it out.

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>>51899889
Why are like the last 10 threads Leman Russ related, what did I miss? What did you meme loving fucks do now?

>>51902105
Thanks.

I personally get the feeling they're different than Saturnine, even if they serve the same function. Those sound like they could be a unique unit for the Salamanders and Iron Hands, built ramshackle by them Mark5-style because they care more about getting revenge than following Mechanicum design and requisition procedure.

>>51902085
Had been considering paragon-of-metal-ing up the thanatar when I eventually get one, mainly for Rampage so it's harder to tarpit, but also to solve the control issue. But, I don't know if you can actually do that in an allied detachment. I didn't know the choice of compulsory troops affected other stuff (e.g. initiative of other robutts) for example. Like I say, need to do a lot of reading on the mechanicum, they're really different as a list so need to make sure I've got all the foibles nailed down when I actually start collecting that part of the army.

>>51902183
PoM is IIRC not denied by the Allied status, but seeing as you need a Magos anyway, who does the same job of adding attacks and control, as well as healing him on a 3+ rather than a 5+, all it really does is pay 35pts to make him riskier to use Cybertheurgy on, because it means occasionally he'll go rogue, drop that S8 AP2 Cover rerolls large blast on your head and charge the nearest thing. Cybertheurgy without PoM is far safer, and making him shoot twice sometimes or restoring wounds with Ld checks is amazing, as is double-tapping the Vulturax for 6 BS5 Haywire shots. Read up on Cybertheurgy.

If you have Casty squads of 2 or more as Comp troops and a Dominus as HQ (And you will) the allied becomes a Cybernetica Cohort, where you get double cybertheurgy and control range and +1I on all robots. With Adsec you lose those as it's then just a regular Taghmata detachment.

>>51902274
this. if you want to ally in a thanatar this seems like the way to do it. it's a little more expensive, but if you don't mind keeping the castellax as backfield darkfire cannon guys it makes the control issue ezpz. attaching a dominus to a thanatar is also a great combo, since it lets the HQ hide in his majority T8 and LoS! to his 2+ armor.

>>51902274
That's, er, that's quite something. Will look into all that, thanks!

>>51899889
So which Primarchs were actually psykers?

The obvious ones:
Magnus
Sanguinius
Curze (constantly saw visions of the future to the extent it drove him mad)
Lorgar

Minor psychic abilities:
Corax (could will people not to see him)
Lion

Anyone I'm missing?

>>51902520
They all had something even if it isn't stated. Pert could always see the Eye of Terror could be seen as one.

>>51902520
Russ was probably the second most powerful after Magnus

>>51902520
All of them to a degree barring angron.

>>51902547
Stop trolling. He was never implied to have any psychic abilities.

>>51902565
It's hard to say whether that was his brain damage though.

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>>51902569
Are you retarded m8? At Shrike fighting alongside the Word Bearers and Thousand Sons, Russ let out a psychic howl that was so powerful it flat out killed a bunch of Thousand Son psykers. Then at Prospero Russ was able to shrug off psychic attacks like nothing.

>>51902520
Lion?

>>51902597
No, he never used psychic powers, he only ever called on the spirit of Fenris.

>>51902622
Well that is also certainly possible since the spirit of Fenris is a real thing

>>51902565
When did Guilliman and Dorn show any psychic powers?

>>51902599
He could sense the psychic shenanigans during the short story where he punched based Nemiel's head off.
It's hard to say whether it was an "active" psychic power like Magnus and Lorgar freely made use of, but he could definitely detect the warp, and had an advanced form of "Adamantium Will". Makes sense given how he's famous as a hunter of warp-tainted monstrous creatures. I see his rules in Angelus as giving him a special form of psychic resistance and preferred enemy (Monstrous Creatures).

>>51902634
~t. king of the furries

>>51899889
I want to make a SU crossover campaign and I got the plot ready. But first, do you believe this is a viable setting?

>>51902599
Very much had some sort of psychic abilities. He had some really powerful psychic barriers in his mind to the point where even fateweaver while reading his mind could not sense that Lion was about to stab him. Curze also had a hard time sensing anything about Lion's future.

Basically, he had weapons grade autism.

>>51902746
>>51902746
Right, I didn't pick up on that when I read that story. Pretty cool.

how much of a nightmare would it be to make plasticard boarding shields for plastic marines?

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>>51902746
New lore proves the Spirit of Fenris is a thing.

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Happy birthday to me..

>>51902933
The new 40k lore is non-canon from, er, an arbitrary point I just picked. The introduction of the tau, yes, that'll do.

>>51902934
Happy birthday to (You)

>>51902934
>£388 in FW.

Fucking poorfags get off my thread REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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So why can't Russ phase in and out of existence, if he has a magical cloak that lets him do that?

>>51903303
>pass into the realm of the dead
That lets him travel to the warp*, not phase in and out of existence.

*I meant Fenris' afterlife, Wolfhalla.

>>51900820
That and it's the kind of fan material I'd expect from 13-year-old girls in 2004 for like Inuyasha or something

>>51901814
I'm just pissed that I didn't think of this myself.

Although I have always wanted an RG chaplain with an avian skull helmet.

>>51902546
>They all had something even if it isn't stated.
Ferrus? Is he psychically communing with machine spirits? That seems a bit rich. Dude just liked to work with his hands (literally).

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So I bought the Space Wolves Krom mini because I wanna make a Praetor out of him. Is it important to put him on a 32mm base or is it fine that I put him on the 40mm base he comes with?

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>>51903601
>implying it wasn't his psychic ability to master machines that cooled the molten metal and brought it into symbiosis with his own body

>>51903651
Linky linky piccy piccy?

>>51903303
>>51903335
Actually there's some fluff in WoM and a few other places that imply he might be doing exactly that, and that it might work similarly to the old 13th Company's Gate power.

As to why the model can't, it's because he didn't bring it along to Prospero. Perhaps he was lending it to Mortarion at the time.

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Should I swap out the force staff for a spare force khopesh or is it better as is?

>>51903525
it really is tumblr tier 'art'

the faggots in the discord actually recorded an episode of their podcast
its gonna be shit

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The Iron Warriors in all their glory managed to make a Cerastus Knight into just pants. Glory to 20 Cyclone Missiles (10) Tyrant Siege Termies that gave their life to make this possible.

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>>51903537
Might have beaten you to that as well m8.

>>51903898
Looks good. What were the enemy? Knight and Dark Angels?

Also what's the model at the bottom who's entirely silver?

>>51903898
>unpainted 40k starterset ravenwing

Friend who was playing his 40k Dark Angels. He's still working on his army since its relatively new.
--Also that model at the bottom who was entirely silver is an unfinished powerfist sergeant holding his fist gloriously to the sky.

>>51902520
Khan could influence other psykers somewhat, though my headcanon is that he was a weak blank (hence why no one really liked him despite his basedness) rather than a true psyker.

>>51904039
We all started somewhere.

Speaking of Dark Vengeance, how easy is it to convert them to more Heresy-looking Mark 5 style? I was inspired by an anon's DV captain painted up in Heresy-era black, how great it looked with so little changed, but if it'd be possible to de-DA the termies, that would be great too.

>>51902520
Alpharius/Omegon apparently were aware of each other so long as they were alive.

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>>51903666
It's Krom Dragongaze, the special dude from Sanctus Reach.

>>51903651
I doubt anyone will complain if you stick him on a 40mm scenic base. The MkVII torso might trigger someone's AA, though.

>>51904319
>take 1 suit of mkvii
>take 1 suit of all the studded bitz from b@c
>combine randomly
>two mkv suits
>paint with unthinned paints
>post to /hhg/ for maximal triggering
>?????
>profit

>>51904364
Ah, I thought you were referring to some 3rd party thing by Kromlech.

As for the base, it's grand on the one it has. It looks like it'd be tricky to fit on a 32mm base anyway, go for it.

>>51904370
MkVII stuff needs at least minor GS/studs/chopping-and-changing to look properly MkV though.

Besides, the question was what could be done with the snap-fit models to make them useful.

>>51903886
Wait we have a podcast?

Can I get a link

>>51904417

It's being edited as we speak. The quantity might vary, but it's only episode 1. Give us a chance.

revised my TS list to 2000 points so it's easier to expand to 2500 later. 5 man veteran squads because points were tight and a needed more infantry units than vehicles as per the RoW

Guard of the Crimson King: 1,995

HQ
Praetor, ML 3, Litanies, Force Weapon, Combi-weapon, Cataphractii Armor, 235 pts
Raptora / Biomancy
Elites
5 x Veteran Tactical Squad, ML 1,125 pts
Pavoni / Biomancy
5 x Veteran Tactical Squad, ML 1,125 pts
Pavoni / Biomancy
Troops
5 x Cataphractii Sekhmet Terminators, Force Axes,Combi-weapons, 280 pts
Raptora / Molten Beam, Levitate
5 x Tartaros Sekhmet Terminators, 4 Power Fists, 1 Chain Fist, 285 pts
Raptora / Levitate, Psychic Maelstrom
5 x Tartaros Sekhmet Terminators, 4 Power Fists, 1 Chain Fist, 285 pts
Raptora/ Levitate, Psychic Maelstrom

Fast Attack
1 x Dreadclaw, 115 pts
1 x Dreadclaw, 115 pts

Heavy Support
1 x Leviathan Siege Dreadnought, Grav Bombard, Siege Drill, AC, Phosphex, Drop Pod, 430 pts

is this too cheesy? whole army deep striking in and using drop pods

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>>51904413
Since I wasn't the guy and I forgot it at the time, it would be remiss of me not to mention that there is another GW Crom model and that he would also make a sweet Praetor.

This one however should be rebased.

>>51904461
How long is it?
Also, is there anyone that I, an anon hasn't used the discord should know about in it?

>>51904235
If that's true Magnus and Khan wouldn't be friends

>>51904498
yeah gav 'emo kid' thorpe was on it

>>51904509
Insanely powerful psykers can ignore blank effects (like Emps who netflix and chills with SoS and Malcador, who pull psychic shit while stood next to them).

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>>51904474
You asked before, and you've only made it cheesier by MSU-ing the veterans to make way for more rape units.

I was amenable before, but I'm going to be harsh and tell you the truth: extra-mobile 10-wound 4++ terminators that double as vindicators are cheesier than all of the Netherlands and France combined.

>>51904519
Hang on, why would Gav Thorpe be a part of this?

>>51904474
Guard of the Crimson King was a mistake.

>>51904581
>>51904651
I'll be going back to the pain glove now

>>51904660
>TSons
>painglove
Bloody magpies.

>>51904474
>>51904660
I don't think it's as scary as other people are making it out to be. You only have one unit on the board at the end of turn one, and you don't have any reserve manipulation for the rest of the army when you roll for it on turn 2. That first veteran squad is pretty much instantly dead against an army with good AA fire and followup artillery, and if you're not going second you just lose the game then and there. If you are going second, that's still a significant loss for the army.

It's definitely a strong list, but it's going to be very inconsistent and armies that can weather the storm of your beta strike are going to hit back really hard. If you roll badly on reserves and your guys come in piecemeal or not at all then you're totally hosed.

Armies that don't have interceptor could have a pretty rough time if you pop their anti-TEQ as you come in, but it's not hard to adapt Augury Scanners into almost any list. If it's annoying to play against it's not hard to tailor to it.

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>>51904651
It really was.

It's like Primarch's Chosen with EVERY downside removed:

>You don't have to use the Primarch at all
>You can take an additional LoW
>If Magnus dies it's all hunky dory
>You get your OP legion-specific elite unit who didn't have implacable advance as troops, instead of paying a "tax" for generic veterans or termies
>You get free Deep Strike and get to re-roll their invulnerable saves, which can already be as high as 3++, oh and by the way they cause fear

And Sekhmet terminators as a whole are absolutely ridiculous. An extra wound, force weapons, shredding bolters, and TWO(!) psychic mastery levels cost their squad just 45 points more than a standard legion terminator squad, and when you add another Sekhmet to the squad, it's only five points more expensive than adding a bog-standard terminator to a squad. They're also cheaper than JUSTaerin terminator squads, who cannot shoot like Vindicators on top of their basic attacks or fly around the field.

They should be at least 50 points more expensive to begin with, and shouldn't have psychic mastery level 2 by default, it should be an expenditure or something gained while the unit is above a high number of models.

WTF I LOVE WOLVES NOW
OWOOOOOOO

>>51904889
it is kind of funny that GW, who usually makes OP broken rules for 7th, dropped the ball so hard with their TSons release, but FW made them pretty outrageous. I had high hopes for the 40k TSons since they've been so shit for so long (and the new models are pretty neat) but GW just refuses to throw them a bone. oh well, at least the rest of the traitor legions are actually playable in 40k again.

I'm a loyalist 4lyfe but I like having a credible antagonist that isn't a total pushover

>>51904413
Cool. 40mm base it is.

>>51904485
>This one however should be rebased.
kek'd

>>51904023
Love it!

>>51904235
Hardly a blank; he had dreams of the warp. That makes him a latent psyker similar to Sanguinius.

Neither rank as high as Curze, who was probably #2 on the psychic power level chart.

>>51904889
>FW says IF tartaros terminators cant have storm shields because muh balance, never mind that they end up being a like 550-600 point unit for 10x of them
>sekmet faggot terminators have 2 fucking wounds each, can get a 3++, are psykers, and have a load of broken shit while costing less points
honestly the ksons and cuckstode lists are so bad it makes GWs rules writing (of late) look good.

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>>51904969
I'm a loyalist too, and I was expecting to feel the desire to make a special-snowflake TS BLUD REHVEN loyalist survivor chapter to go with my main force, but if they're going to be this OP, I'll actually have serious motivation to take advantage of my legion's sworn brother relationship with the wolves and get some sweet Varagyr + Grey Slayer allies for melee purposes.
I do wish FW make a Rhino Advancer though. They've no reason to shaft it like they did the Grav-Rhino.

>>51905163
I'm not convinced on the Custodes yet but the Sekhmet and that RoW are absurd. +1 invulnerable save is also a bit too powerful. Why not just give Raptora the -1 toughness to attacks like the Iron Hands get?

>>51903722
Khopesh. Staves/spears should be held in a way that makes a point of them. That dude's just holding his horizontal to the ground like it's his luggage.

>>51905210
>Why not just give Raptora the -1 toughness to attacks like the Iron Hands get?
why give them anything? they already get OP shred bolter shots for no reason and psykers everywhere.

>>51905235
Mmm, though to be fair, it's a way of representing the psychic skills and specialisations of the Sons without giving every single unit of theirs mastery levels.

Another thing that kind of bothers me is why they gave them a Rite of War where they have to take maxed-out troop squads. If anything they should be pushed into smaller squads and/or given more accessibility to veteran tacticals, at least after the Inferno campaign.

heres the real breakdown of the ksons:
can easily spam psykers everywhere. the psychic phase is already gamebreaking, if you arent retarded, and having shitloads of extra dice just cranks it up to 11.
faggot shells for their bolters give shred, making their sniper veterans better than everybodys, even better than IF.

so, so far we have a legion thats better than the IF at everything (who were already top tier), except now they are also spamming psykers.

now onto the cults:
pavoni - essentially gives them half of the SW rules (+1 run and sweep)
raptora - +1 invuln, makes them more durable than IF/sallys/IF
corvidae - reroll failed to hit rolls of 1 with shooting attacks if they dont move. now they go from being the best shooting legion, to the best shooting legion BY FAR.
anthaenan - immune to fear. night lords now are worthless
the last cult is shit.

so, so far we have a legion thats not only abusing the most broken phase in the game (physic phase), but also the best shooting legion AND the most durable legion (especially with shrekmet.)

special units:
sekmet terminators - psychic terminators with 2 fucking wounds each and force weapons, who cost less than any other 2 wound terminator in the game and have easily have a 3++. even without the 3++ they are better than any other terminator unit in the game bar none and by far. (oh, and they can deepstrike)
blade cult - get a million force weapon attacks for a 300 point unit, best power armor wearing melee unit in the game. probably even better than suzerians in all honestly.
the sniper special unit is medicore.

magnus is totally broken. etc etc.

i could continue onto their broken RoW but why bother, they are already better than EVERY OTHER LEGION at EVERYTHING. this is beyond power creep, this is GW introducing grav-cannons level of shit rules writing.

Any word on when the Osiron Dreadnaught is being released?

>>51902182
>even if they serve the same function
>Meduson armour is a heavy weapons platform
>Saturnine has only ever been described as more-or-less functionally generic Terminator armour

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>>51905620
You mean a Quick Rundown?

-Tutelaries bow to Thousand Sons
-In contact with warp entities
-Possess psychic-like abilities
-Control Prospero with an iron but fair fist
-Own schools & libraries across the galaxy
-Direct descendants of the Emperor's blood line
-Will bankroll the first cities in the webway (Magnusgrad will be be the first city)
-Own 99% of psychic research facilities in the Imperium
-First Tzeentch Chaos Marines marines will in all likelihood be Thousand Sons marines
-Magnus said to have 2015+ IQ, such intelligence on Terra has only existed deep in Tibetan labratories and the Imperial Palace
-Ancient Prosperian scriptures tell of a furry who will descend upon Prospero and will bring an era of darkness and unprecedented technological regression with them
-They own astropathic mind-control labs around the galaxy
-You likely have a Thousand Son inside your mind right now

>>51905703
No specific dates, AFAIK, but I'd expect most of the previewed models for Inferno to drop in the next 3 months.

I'd say mid-March at the earliest though. It looks like they may be holding off on more Inferno releases until the week after Gathering Storm 3 goes on sale (because it could undercut a portion of their sales), or at least until the people who pre-ordered Inferno actually get their copies and know what they want to buy.

>>51905828
the chaos gods bow to the bogdanoffs

>>51905620
Good analysis. They really are broken.

If I may ask, what makes the IF the best pre-Inferno legion for you?

>>51905794
Please show me a picture of "Saturnine" armour if the obvious heavily-armoured heavy-weapons platform in the picture everyone calls "Saturnine" isn't it, and point me towards the sources that do describe it.

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>>51905210
>>51905163
>>51904969
>>51904889
>>51905620
Holy shit this.
Even if I despise the Wolves, Prospero must fucking burn.
AWOO WITHIN
AWOO WITHOUT
I'd also post a Death Guard battle cry, but they're not into that.

>>51905935
>If I may ask, what makes the IF the best pre-Inferno legion for you?
they werent the best but they were top tier. could just as easily have said SoH, since SoH were top tier and the ksons are literally just SoH but better at everything for less points + broken psychic bullshit.

>>51905163
>ynnari

Nope, FW still doing a lot better.

>>51900615

Is there any character in the series that's a greater sue than Lotara? Keeler, maybe?

>>51906238
Loken

>>51906238
Lotara is a sue? In Butcher's Nails she was damn scared of Angron, as all mortals should be.

>>51905935
>Please show me a picture of "Saturnine" armour if the obvious heavily-armoured heavy-weapons platform in the picture everyone calls "Saturnine" isn't it, and point me towards the sources that do describe it.
There's no official depiction of Terminator armour that's ever been described as Saturnine. That's the entire point.
>sources that do describe it
The Terminator armour entry in Betrayal is pretty much the only source on Saturnine. It doesn't say anything about its specific features, it just lists it alongside Indomitus and Tartaros as examples of standard Terminator armour patterns. Once again, the entire point.

I've noticed some people wind up in a bit of a loop with this. Some people started calling the weapons platform armour in that anthology Saturnine (the story doesn't say anything about Saturnine, for the record), so other people say "well, the weapons platform armour in the anthology is Saturnine because Saturnine's been described that way"... by fans describing the armour in that passage as Saturnine. It's kind of funny when it happens.

>>51906238
Nkyona Sharrowkyn and every time McNeil writes Iron Warriors.
Aeonid Thiel when written by Kyme.

>>51906272
*no official depiction that's ever been officially described

>>51906272
40K fandom's being doing things like that for almost as long as it's been going, it's funny up until you're having your 14th conversation on a subject with someone who is *convinced* they're right and ure a fgt and you have to either face the effort of trying to explain logic, sourcing and the on-balance contextual common sense of something, versus some if but then headcanon based on taking one word out of context....or just saying fuck it and moving on.

>>51902520

Mortarion can turn invisible, Alpharius and Omegon had a psychic connection (Omegon could sense Alpharius' death from across the galaxy)

>>51906238
lotara is such a stupid character.
>be angron and the WEs
>have some gurrlpower cunt captain your best ship just because ADB is a cuck

their captain shouldve been some mangled old war veteran with like 90% of his body be bionics, and even then angron shouldve scalped him after the first chapter and just replaced him with some nailed up marine who screams 'ram them' every 5 minutes.

but instead ADB has to put some shitty gurrlpower waifu insert in the book because he is basically tumblr : the writer.

>>51903525
So, standard 1d4chan weeb-drawfaggotry. Got it.

>>51906321
>angron shouldve scalped him after the first chapter and just replaced him with some nailed up marine who screams 'ram them' every 5 minutes.

This is so WE I'm laughing

>>51906321

Not to mention

>shit talking WE Marines right to their fucking faces with zero consequences
>winning every space engagement even when explicitly described as being outgunned and outnumbered through "muh tactical acuity".

>>51906321
Nigga, all shipmasters that I can remember are mortals.
Lotara, Sanguinius' waifu, the Perfidious Imperator's, the one that served with Marius Gage, etc.
All of them noble-esque navy officers.
They're not snowflakes, unless you're the Imperial Fists of the IWs that's just the norm.
>>51906311
>Mortarion can turn invisible
Nah, he's just sneaky.

>>51900044
Damn son I thought my 6yo son painted that. They I remembered I dont have a son.

>>51906310
>getting this bent-out-of-shape over a speculative shorthand for a thing that exists and has yet to be given a name
Wew.

If they want to call this thing something other than "Saturnine", then fine by me, so long as they make them. If you're *convinced* that ure right and not a fgt u r, and FW don't call the heavy terminator armour "Saturnine", all that happens is that "Saturnine" continues not to get acknowledged in fluff or models, as good as if it never had been mentioned. No skin off my nose, but no gain to anyone.

>>51906366
Again, what story is that?
Because in Butcher's Nails she was scared shitless of Angron, would barely look him in the eye and her plan to catch the Eldar was to try and get themselves ambushed, which worked because Imperial ships and especially the Conqueror is a fucking purpose-made brute with URSUS CLAWS just shy of a proper Space hulk.

>>51906402
Your wife's son is a better painter than that tbf.

>>51906366
To be fair, at least he gave a reason she could throw her weight around, she wears a uniform with Angron's handprint on the chest, that's like the WE version of the Medal of Honor.
And the Triarii guy was going to splat her until Kargos and the lads backed her up.

But yeah, not exactly very believable.

>>51906414
Actually I dgaf about the Saturnine thing, it was just a general post about the silly conversations the fandom has been having for decades.

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Guys, this is Saturnine

>>51906389
>Nigga
*revs chainaxe*
>all shipmasters that I can remember are mortals.
*scalps*

psshhh... hows your memory now kid...

puny fleshbag plebs cannot understand our tactical brilliance bestowed upon us by the nails, so we will replace them.

>>51906420

Betrayer

I'm not sure why you think her being scared of Angron makes her not a sue.

>>51905620
What's good about IF? Being vinilla and salty at the same time?

>>51906438
Like what?

>>51906441
It actually looks a lot like the-armour-informally-known-as-Saturnine. Maybe FW were referencing that artwork when they designed it.

Also the Custodes get a lot of their design from Terra, and Saturn in in the Terran system. Illuminati confirmed.

>>51906447
>puny fleshbag plebs cannot understand our tactical brilliance bestowed upon us by the nails
That's right! The tactical fleshbags cannot pleb what our Nails do for the puny. Or whatever you said.
Kill, maim, REEE, kill, maim, REEE!!!
>>51906459
Well, she didn't give me the "she's always successful and in control" feel.
Now, Khârn has the nails but is always calmed, and has been killed like twice but it's cool because then he wasn't dead.
If he was an ultramarine, quite many would call him a Sue, rather than Lotara.

>>51906238
>>51906247
>>51906282
I don't think any of these characters are Mary Sue

>>51906507
>the-armour-informally-known-as-Saturnine
That sounds like the Imperial equivalent of Prince.

>>51904651
Thank god I play the other rite. a-Am I ok anon? i-It's not like I care of anything!

Fuck, you guys are salty about Lotara. It's like the very mention of ADB gets your Butcher's Nails going.

>>51906321
>tumblr : the writer.
To add context to this, I was at the panel he did where he called this habit of his out as deliberate.

He said that after Cadian Blood came out, he realised that he hadn't mentioned a single woman as being present in the entire cast, and as a proponent of 'gender doesn't matter in the Imperium when they just want warm bodies', and 'even in the future women will be half the population, you'd kind of see them about the place' he decided to consciously find a role for women in his books. As they couldn't be marines, that meant he had to put them in another way.

Which is funny to me, as, while I actually personally agree with him, he ended up making most of them mother/whore cliches due to his rampant waifuism, which isn't actually all that progressive.

He did add that he was happy that he had a (relatively) high number of female readers. There were quite a few women in the audience, and he go asked questions about GW/BL's representation of women a couple of times and couldn't dodge them with 40 people staring at him from 5 feet away. He ended up just rambling on about Sisters of Battle.

>>51906424

That's actually what contributes the most to her being a sue

>angron is a deranged psychopath who hates literally everything and everyone

>but dude my OCdonutsteel ship captain earned his respect and waifu status because of how badass xD she is!

>dude my snowflake girl is so popular and respected by this legion of psychotic, nihilist berserkers that dozens of them will line up to defend her honor in single combat!

Wew

>>51906459
I've not read the story in question, but I imagine it's hard not to make a human character who has command enough to lead starships and hang around with Astartes seem like "Mary Sues". With astropaths and minor techpriests you can say they're tolerated because of their technical skills, but military leaders like admirals have to be Mary-Sue tier in their charisma/leadership skill level relative to the average human, and at the same time because they're piloting the ships, Space Marines are dependent on their navigational skills in very serious ways, so it ends up kind of inverting the human-space marine relationship that people expect.

>>51906531
>that's the reference.wolfcastle

>>51906549
>wargaming nerds have issues with women
Completely unexpected.

>>51906552
>he ended up making most of them mother/whore cliches
What exactly do you mean by this? I'm not familiar with this SJW terminology.

But from the context, it sounds like:
>uh we gotta put women in because gender doesn't matter but it does really
>how do we remind people that they're women?
>oh fuck I shouldn't have done that

>>51906552
did he expand on his personal bull-prepping techniques? or was that an exclusive invite only kind of thing?

>>51906549
between ADB and LG its no surprise why nobody likes BL.
>Khârn has the nails but is always calmed, and has been killed like twice but it's cool because then he wasn't dead.
>If he was an ultramarine, quite many would call him a Sue
no, because kharn makes up for it by dying every 2 seconds and only ever killing random plebs.

it would be like complaining that lucius is a sue because he dies a lot.

>>51906549
I thought he was one of the better authors. I mean I liked Prince of Crows and the start of The First Heretic (Haven't read the entire book, yet). Am I missin sumtin.

>>51906562

Eh, it's not difficult to write a human character that has a balance of competency and fallibility.

I read Fear to Tread immediately after Betrayer and it really struck out at me much better written the female captain of Sanguinus' flagship was in comparison to Lotara. The author did a good job of portraying her as competent and a valuable ally for Sanguinus, even despite ultimately dying.

>>51906624
all of his books are basically
>random gurll power sue character that adds nothing to the book but is there because ADB is a self hating subhuman
>emperor = bad, chaos = good
>daddy issues/muh patriarchy shit
etc. ADB should be guzzling cum in a starbucks bathroom, not writing books (at a high school level at best).

>>51906599
Mother/whore is a simplistic shorthand for a whole school of literary and psychology thought where men - and I'm simplifying this like a cunt - can only relate to women as either nurturing sexless figures or sluts that need fucking. It comes from Freud reading too much Greek.
In ADB we have
>Octavia
Acts as a mother to Talos, a sexual object to Septimus, she gets raped, she becomes defined by being pregnant
>Cyrene
Acts as a mother to Argel Tal, was literally a whore
>Jarlsdottir
Acts as a mother to Hyperion, there's also actually a passage where he muses over his inability to find her biologically attractive
There's probably more.
>>51906621
That cost £40 extra m8, i don't actually know what bull-prepping is, is that one of those cuck things you're always on about?

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Never posted a list before, so hopefully I'm doing it right. Not trying to make some beast mode list, just trying to make an army that functions like a spear.

Alpha Legion - Host of Qayin - 1800pts

HQ: 100pts
+Centurion
+Delegatus
+Tartaros w/combi bolter, pwr wpn.

Elites: 710
1. Destroyers
+jump packs
+missile launcher
+phosphex(1)

2. Contemptor Talon (2)
+hvy conversion beam
+Kheres assault cannon.

Troops: 480
1.LVTS (3)
+nuncio
+Banestrike rounds.
+pwr dagger

Heavy Support: 510
1. Predator Squadron (2)
+Hvy conversion beam
+Hvy bolters
+Aux drive

2. Sicarian Venator
+Hvy bolters
+Aux drive.

>>51906716

Don't forget that Jarlsdottr was also explicitly fucking the heretic member of her retinue.

Jarlsdottr the Inquisitor.

>>51906716

Since when was the Blessed Lady a whore?

It was implied that she was raped and abused post-Monarchia destruction, but a whore?

>>51906784
On Monarchia, she was a prostitute.

>>51906784

She was stated to have been a prostitute before she got picked up by the Word Bearers.

>>51906757
Yeah, you're right.
So, while I personally like his female characters in most ways, I just find it funny that the most progressive writer in the stable where representation is concerned (other than Abnett, who just has women in his books and doesn't make a big deal out of it) finds it very difficult to write them in such a way where they're more than receptacles for the male point of view.
Which is because he's a waifu-fag, basically.

I mean, I was trying to think of others who weren't and in five minutes all I came up with was the fighter pilot in the Night Lords, who Sevatar was only nice to out of some weird secret sentimentality.

>>51906716
>Mother/whore is a simplistic shorthand for a whole school of literary and psychology thought where men - and I'm simplifying this like a cunt - can only relate to women as either nurturing sexless figures or sluts that need fucking. It comes from Freud reading too much Greek.
Ah, that's what it is. I think that's half true (factually) half bullshit (interpretations and implications).
Men will naturally weigh up women as sex objects, it's only natural; and if they don't view them as sexually viable, it's possible to equate any relationship to a mother-son relationship, though it isn't some profound criticism of things that can be "righted". If those dynamics don't show up, it'll be in surface-level impersonal relationships like professional relationships ("gee, my boss sure is a stickler"), or other inherently non-sexual relationships like siblings or father-daughter, but certain people will still jump to reduce everything to the sexual anyway, which says more about them that they can't see anything separate from it and think it's automatically bad when it is there.

>>Octavia
>Acts as a mother to Talos, a sexual object to Septimus, she gets raped, she becomes defined by being pregnant
>>Cyrene
>Acts as a mother to Argel Tal, was literally a whore
>>Jarlsdottir
>Acts as a mother to Hyperion, there's also actually a passage where he muses over his inability to find her biologically attractive
You've convinced me that ABD isn't the best writer, congratulations. I'm also impressed how recurrent these themes are that you can name several blatant examples of the most literal examples of the trope. I did find the Argel Tal thing pretty creepy at the time, and it's hilarious in hindsight that she is quite literally and explicitly a whore mother-figure.

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>>51902934
Happy birthday, anon!

>>51906822
>the most progressive writer in the stable where representation is concerned (other than Abnett)
If we're being honest, it's the one-off authors and the guys doing the shorts who are more "progressive" in the literal sense, largely because they have more freedom in the stories they can make, even if they'll largely be about space marines.

matt farrer is my authorfu no one else can have him he's mine

>>51906784
She was basically a "temple prostitute" like pagan religions had in ancient times, it was referred to obliquely by having a made-up formal name for it local to the planet and its religion.

You're right that she was raped after the destruction, but I remember her saying "they had no respect for the old ways", meaning they didn't care that raping her was disrespecting and robbing the god-Emprah of his psychic and monetary due by not paying for the act.

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>>51906311
You wanna know who the most bad ass primarch is? Well i have one very sinple question for you. Can your primarch overhead press a FUCKING TITAN!?!?!?!?! Vulkan? Named his legion after salamanders? A weak ass amphibian completely unsuitable for war? Yikes. Iron hand with iron hands leader of the iron hands who now replace their hands with iron hands? Don't even get me started on SangWHINEious. You came down with a bad case of the sparkles there buddy, head back to twighlight. Konrad Curze? More like konrad CURSE. Corvus Corax? The. Common. FUCKING. RAVEN?!?!?! Get the fuck out of here. Needless to say, I could go on about the rest of the WHYmarchs, but I think I've made my point. KILL!! MAIM!! BURN!!

>>51906784
no, she was literally a whore. just shows how warped ADBs SJW views are.

best part in that book was the ultrabros in the landspeeder.
>be ultrabro
>have to evacuate this degenerate city full of fanatics
>some literal whore gets all uppity with you when you warned her about the evacuation 'muh patriarchy u cant tell me what to do, rape!'
>ultrabro : 'yeah whatever bitch, just watch what happens when we nuke this shit, lmao'
>she does and goes blind, omg, ultramarines are literally hitler
meanwhile
>demonically possessed whore = the good guys
>demonically possessed marine = the good guys
>dey are just misunderstood
>ultramarines are da real bad guys because they did what the emperor told them to do
>the emperor is the real bad guy here for punishing lorgar for being a worthless sack of shit

ADB projects so hard that its impossible to even read his 'books' without seeing him crying and screaming 'i hate u dad'

>>51906840
Yeah, Freud saw almost everything though a lens of sexual interaction, and he was such a giant that his work has gotten into societal consciousness where the things you talk about are concerned.

I also just thought of the Princeps in Helsreach, who is either called the Hag or the Crone, which is a blatant, surely on-purpose reference to the original Greek origin of mother/whore, which is the maiden-mother-crone trinity. And she acts like one to Grimaldus.
So, I mean, ADB has literary knowledge, but I think a combination of factors is turning his way of dealing with women in the fiction into a poor cliche.
He's still one of the better authors.

>>51905620
holy shit this is so spot on it's making me just wanna stick to my old legion

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>>51906910
I'd hate by which I mean take sadistic pleasure in seeing an analysis of the male-male relationships in warhammer from the counterpart analysis of everything being "homoerotic".

>>51906908
Kekked but in fairness somebody has to write Chaos books in a way that paints the people in a decent light. And the fluff already establishes the Emperor as a liar about Chaos and uncaring about the mental health of the Primarchs or the amount of correct information they are given relative to the freedom of action they have.

>>51906950
Which were?

>>51906908
>ultramarines are literally hitler
Note that when Lorgar asks Guilliman what the fuck he thought he was doing glassing a peaceful Imperial city, Roboute goes "I was just following orders".
DUN DUN DUNNNN

>>51906549

My dick is salty for Lotara.

>>51906972
World Eaters, I try to build up to ~2500 and then move on to another army list because I don't wanna be a guy with 10k points of the same dudes...Thousand Sons or Custodes were two options I was seriously considering.

>>51906984
i also like how lorgar has a tantrum and smashes girlyman to the ground with a fuckhuge mace, and girlyman is just like 'im not mad, just disappointed in you'. and yet girlyman is the bad guy according to ADB.

i can just picture ADBs dad being like 'my son is a stupid faggot, im not mad at you ADB, just disappointed' and ADB projecting all of that impotent rage into girlyman. kek

>>51906972
While I'm sure there's a good few homoerotic things to pull out, you have reminded me that the female gaze is present a couple of times, which is a fucking miracle, considering.
>Oliton checking out Loken's horse dick
>Illya in the WS novels has yellow fever
In contrast, ADB usually just has the women think something like 'he would be attractive if he didn't have gigantism, those eyes tho gurl'

>>51906908
>'yeah whatever bitch, just watch what happens when we nuke this shit, lmao'
They fist bump before speeding out, I assume.

ultrabros best bros

>>51906559
I mean, if you were a World Eater wouldn't you jump at the chance for single combat?

Also, fuck you, he liked that astropath.

>>51905620
Blade Cult are a huge glass cannon though. That's why I use them. Hue hue heheheueheuh.

Any info about Rangdan Xenocide yet? I heard that SW executed one Space Marine Legion and its Primarch because of it, but not sure if it is correct or not.

Thought of more on this:
>the kooky mousey painter the sad-sack beta orbiter wants to sex
>he's too beta to make a move
>she discovers her sex drive and attractiveness and fucks half the ship
>he gets upset and considers sleeping with the office whore
>too much in wuv with the idea of his perfect woman to do it
>eventually finds the courage to go check on his friend who he's ignored coz he got mad she turned into a slut and didn't fuck him
>she's killed herself
>the avatar of physcial perfection that is Fulgrim kills the guy by impaling him with a sword

Holy fuck I could write an essay about the sexual politics in this shit

>>51906908

Does it matter what he projects if that's how anyone would react NOT knowing both sides of the conflict?

>>51906972
>Kekked but in fairness somebody has to write Chaos books in a way that paints the people in a decent light.
why? they are supposed to be the bad guys, they are evil pieces of shit. its grimdark. ADB trying to make the baby eating terrorist legion into 'misunderstood good guys, da emperor is the real bad guy here', is just cringeworthy. sevatars sue shit, for example. or the word bearers 'demons are ok, kids' type shit.
>And the fluff already establishes the Emperor as a liar about Chaos and uncaring about the mental health of the Primarchs or the amount of correct information they are given relative to the freedom of action they have.
the emperor is supposed to be a supreme enlightened being, he wouldve understood that that his vat grown murdermen are basically just soulless tools to unify humanity under his banner. he told corax and some of the other smart ones stuff about chaos, but he understood that most of the primarchs were just retarded meatbags who he only created to help him unite humanity.

also in terms of
>of the male-male relationships in warhammer from the counterpart analysis of everything being "homoerotic".
ferrus was a closet fag 2bh

>>51906908
>no, she was literally a whore. just shows how warped ADBs SJW views are.
To be fair, feminism and prostitution have had a tumultuous and conflicted history, to say the least.

>>51906525
Dude. I love reading about Sharrowkyn, but he is just straight better at everything than everybody. And despite being antisocial, everybody likes him and values his opinion. There is an entire scene at the end of Seventh Serpent just to confirm that he's officially an honorary Iron Hand because he's so amazing at stuff.

He's fun to read. And Seventh Serpent has one of my favorite moments in any fluff ever, but he is a flaming Mary Sue.

>>51907153
>why?
Because the Horus Heresy is a tragedy and having half the legions turn on the Imperium because they're so evil they don't wash their hands after pissing is just shitty writing. We should be able to understand why they thought rebelling was the right thing to do, and see how they're slowly twisted into becoming monsters even though their choices made sense at the time.

>>51907216
>I could kill you now, Alpharius said, but I won't because you're just too damn awesome, Nkyona.
And then Alpharius was Dornd.

>>51906441

Cool throwback but I was hoping for it to become the 4th pattern of terminator armour.

Preferably in an Obliterator role in units of 3 but each has like a lascannon on his back or something.

>>51907293
Sharrowkyn's reaction was fucking golden. Only reasonable marine in an unreasonable galaxy.

Really only furthers the Sue argument though.

>>51907259
>Because the Horus Heresy is a tragedy and having half the legions turn on the Imperium because they're so evil they don't wash their hands after pissing is just shitty writing.
yet its the reason why DG/WE/NL/WB all fell to chaos.

horus is the tragic figure, the 4 legions mentioned above were basically just evil retards

I think Horus was glory-whore who even sabotaged other Legions to be the best. How much am I wrong?

>>51907329
>DG
Fun fact, mortarion was the only primarch in the heresy (barring potentially alpharius after all his retcons) to be a legitimate rebel, not linked to chaos.

That's why typhon had to pull some strings and get him and the rest of the DG forcibly possessed by nurgle on the road to earth.

>>51907363
he was. its basically what he did to the raven guard multiple times

>>51907363
Pretty wrong, Horus enjoyed the glory, but he wasn't obsessed with trying to acquire it.
While he could talk well, he was relatively humble, Proud of what he has done but not rubbing it in your face.
The only real glory hog thing he liked was leading the charge/deepstrike for the opposing commander, but then again, why wouldn't it be him

Hell, even after he falls he's not all that glory obsessed, ambitious yes, but never insanely so

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Kind of want to make a Custodian Centurion model for shits and giggles. Like they have a prototype version or something.

Thoughts?

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>>51907363
Horus is best space dad though

>>51906507
I recall hearing that supposedly at the recent event, they said that "Saturnine" was their inspiration for it

>ForgeWorld better not have dumped the one chance at Saturnine into a non marine unit

Why in the far future there is so many bald marines?

>>51907678
Shaving head is pretty standard for millitary

>>51907678
they wear helmets and potentially have plugs all over their head area

easier and more practical to keep hygienic if they shave their heads

>>51907376
Kurze was already a rebel by the time the Heresy began, Dorn only asked him to help out at Isstvan 5 because he thought his desire to punish the guilty would override his desire to be an edgelord.

>>51907882
isstvan 5 was handled pretty stupidly all around 2bh. why didnt they just nuke the planet so hard that all 4 traitor legions down there just died?

i mean, if autek just went full moonman and smashed a WE planet, why not just do that on istvan?

I want to recreate WW1, but in space

Should I play Death Guard or Iron Warriors?

>>51907955
iron warriors love trenches, but not chemical weapons quite so much
IW main detachment with a allied DG army with a bunch of poison flamers and grave wardens?

What is your favourite land raider pattern, and why is it not the MkIIB Phobos

>>51908120
>yfw my favorite is actually the Mk IIb

I was going to say the lascannon Mk IIb but then I read the rest of your post.

I like LC sponsons the best out of all options, and the Mk IIb have the most unique looking sponson design. Not exposed and weird like the plastic ones, and similar to the Spartan/Proteus.

>>51907931
Same reason Horus and Angron wasted time dicking around in the ruins of Isstvan 3, the Primarchs are complete autists. (In Angron's case it was cause he was Chaotic Stupid. In Dorn's case I think it was because he was being Lawful Stupid, and maybe was hoping they could crush the traitors, and then Horus & co could be brought to Terra for some kinda trial.)

>>51908243

Dorn's case is actual, literal, unironic high functioning autism. Imagine Archer, but serious and angry instead of goofy and alcoholic.

The other Primarch's autism is simply a case of poor writing and jaded neckbeard manchildren perspective.

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How does the severed hand look now. I tried to add the hint of a bone stump, and the darker marrow in.

Also the dark red is supposed to cracked old red leather, hence the drybrushing.

>>51908120
standard phobos

The modular sponsons are an interesting detail to me, as if they've been bolted on as an afterthought, to make sure the core of the tank (and its crew+machine spirit) is as well defended as it possibly can be.

also twin linking looks better when it's horizontal rather than vertical

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>>51900899
>>51900911
We are in the presence.

>>51907931
Because that worked so well on Istvaan III.

>>51908243
In Angron's case it's because orbital bombardments are for faggots and gotta check your freedom by doing exactly the opposite of what Horus wants.

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How do you guys feel about the Knight Atrapos? I'm tempted to get one for my trio of Knights.

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>>51908275
>Imagine Archer, but serious and angry instead of goofy and alcoholic.
Holy shit this is now my headcanon for Dorn
>IMPERIAL RAAMPAAAAAAGE

>>51908649
I like the 40k Marine sponsons, because they look like an actual example of how sponsons might actually come back into usefulness.

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>>51901086
>OK, that's cool. Not sure how I'd go about making or statting out one of those, though
just play adeptus titanicus

>>51908740
Not now, Malcador, I'm in the Fortification Zone.

>>51908732

I hate the look of the Mechanicus style FW Knight armor. Cool head and right arm, ugly armor and left arm. The Cerastus Knights have the sickest helmets and armor.

>>51908742
I wish the predator's were a bit more like the land raider's. Too fuckin' fragile.

>>51908740
>Perturabo is robo-Barry
>"Malcador."
>"Malcador!"
>"MALCADOR!"
>"MAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADOOOOOOOOOOO-"
>"WHAT?!"

>>51908732
atrapos is a straight up rapist
you want a D weapons in CC and shooting, and a large blast meltabomb that might be a FUCKING VORTEX? you want your Ion Shield to also be a flare shield and have a spare hull point just because? you want to reroll to hit against other superheavies and, going even further, reroll 1's on the D chart if your target is up close for a measly 10 points?
OF FUCKING COURSE YOU DO ANON, YOU FILTHY POWERGAMER YOU

>>51908740
god fucking damnit anon, this has ruined him for me forever

>>51908809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r3FGU9dTk8

>>51908517
A bit too much blood on the thigh still, but looks a lot better.

>>51908785
Welp now I'm glad I'm getting a Chinacast one for $40.

>>51908848

$40 is pretty cheap dawg

>yfw by most faggots' logic a 1/100 Gundam is still cheaper

>>51908868
I used to play, then got into Gundams, now back into minis.

It. Never. Ends.

>>51907329
>Horus is the reason why Lorgar fell to chaos.
Whatever lets you heresy at night, anon.
Horus is indeed, however, the reason of Mortarion's fall. He hated the Emperor like no other, only surpassed by Angron.
And he had a reason. Not saying it was still foolish to think Horus was going to do a better job than Emps, no matter how First Among Equals he was.
But Mortarion was going to follow his beloved brother to hell itself if he asked him to.
And he did.
But now he's gone...and Mortarion is still there.

>>51907503
Truth! All hail Space Dad!
Emps does not count as he is space grand dadd.

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>>51908835
>>51908809
>>51908784
>>51908754
And can it be fortified with a raging throbbing erection?

>>51908951
Didn't he think Horus gonna be dead in the process and he gonna take over?

>>51909083
Do you want Templars?

Because that's how you get Templars.

>>51908732
Rule's cool, fluff's cool, but that thing and Cerastus in general are fucking ugly imo.

>>51909255

Horus rebelled? Ugh. That is just classic him.

how's this revised crimson path list for next month, if I was trying to optimize the list I'd probably go for kharybdis/dreadclaws but I like my stormlord model.

World Eaters Crimson Path 2500

HQ
Kharn the Bloody, Gorechild, 190 pts
Gahlan Surlak, 110 pts

Elites
2 x Apothecaries, Augury Scanners, 100 pts
9 x Legion Tartaros Terminator Squad, 9 x Volkite Chargers, 6 x Fists, 3 x Chainfists, 418 pts
5 x Red Butchers, Dual Power Axes, Devoured with Dual Chainfists, 295 pts

Troops
15 x Augmented Inductii, Bolt Pistol/Chainaxes, Sergeant with Artificer Armor/Fist, 200 pts
15 x Legion Tactical Squad, Sergeant with Artificer Armor/Fist, 200 pts

Heavy Support
1 x Leviathan Siege Dreadnought, Melta Lance, Siege Drill, AC, Phosphex, Drop Pod, 430 pts

Lord of War
Legion Stormlord, Space Marine Crew, Pair of Sponsons, 555 pts

2498/2500

Guys, what if Magnus know what breaching the Webway would do, but decided to do it on purpose so that Primarchs/Marines are never rendered obsolete in post-Webway society.

>>51909346

Bruh do you not see how much some people hate Magnus when he did that shit BY ACCIDENT? Can you imagine the neckbeard fury if he did that shit ON PURPOSE?

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>>51900928

>>51909346
First off, Magnus would have been the last primarch made obsolete by the webway thing. And considering in what a poor state the webway is, with cracks, breaches, and whole sections locked off because of daemonic interference. And no matter how awesome cuckstodes are suppose to be, there is no way ten thousand of them can secure the whole webway. Having legions worth of marines would have helped a lot in there. And the whole Primarchs and Marines being 'retired' is only something BL pulled out of its ass in the later novels, because in one of the first three one Imperial Fist has it right : there is no way there would ever be no need for an elite fighting force, even if it was just humans populating the entire galaxy. Humans are just way to stubborn and troublesome to never fight, I mean we can barely stop the population inside a country from bashing eachothers heads in.

Besides, when Magnus discovered the webway his was extatic with the possibileties it had for humanity. He would probably be the last person to willfully damage it just to spite the Emperor.

But if Mortarion would have know about it he'd probably mounted a whole crusade just to destroy the entire webway because 'muh witches hateboner'

In grey slayer what power weapons take ?
Axe, sword , maul ?
Should i take shields ?
In a SW armie can i take what i want in HQ only preator, centurion and named count in list the other choise are not limited by the chart ?

>>51909297
needs 100 more inductii

>>51909374
like burning is homeworld ?

>>51907931

Because the dumber Primarchs bad too much sway.

After the gassing failed, Horus wanted to use cyclonic torpedos to just turn Istvaan three into cosmic dust, but before he could give the order Angron and his legion podded down onto it.

At Istvaan 5 both Vulcan and Corax wanted to blow the planet up from orbit while the traitors were dug on, but Ferrus was having none of it. Corax even suggested at least waiting for the reinforcement legions to arrive so that they could all drop simultaneously, but Ferrus told him to fuck off.

Basically the stupidity of Ferrus Mannus and Angron are responsible for pushing the Heresy forward

>>51909346
Nah his intention was to prove that magic was something of worth. Him throwing a sulk afterwards was the realization that "oh fuck everyone else was right, not me"

Anyways Guilliman already proved that primarchs and marines didn't really need to be made obsolete with the cessation of conflict. "Space marines excel at warfare because they were designed to excel at everything", after all.

Would anyone mind if I used these as quad mortars? I don't like how the actual model looks, though I like the solar auxilia one but I don't feel like converting that..

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-FI/Imperial-Quad-Launcher-Thudd-Gun

>>51909491
It really doesnt fit the legion aesthetic, but you should be right. Bonus points for mkII early crusade force/militia allies

>>51909425

Fucking Mortarion ever hear of chapstick

>>51909491

It has wheels and four barrels. Beyond that I don't give a shit. Make sure you include two marine faggots to crew it, that's the part I'd care about.

>>51909510
>It really doesnt fit the legion aesthetic

Well, neither does the Malcador, Lightning, etc. but they're in there. FW really should have made Imperial aesthetics more universal, rather than go on the same old GW "this is what all this faction looks like and this is what that faction looks like" route.

How about TFC for quad or vice versa

>>51909587
>mfw the marine quad mortar is literally just a TFC but for some reason has different stats
>if you put it in a Land Raider, it's a TFC
>if you put it on a Rapier it's a quad mortar

What th efuck FW

>>51909490
Rigth, I remember in the novel"thousand sons" when arhiman talk about is wine and how i manage is production to have the finest. Space Marines are human in better, for everything, warfare, science, letter, psychic etc (maybe sex but GW never would admit)

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What are you working on today? Pic related, this should be fun.

>>51900044
Look dirty and bloodie, like SW does.
Good job ! I like the gold not too shiny not too dark, the grey is cool to but the sword and pelt not very well.

>>51909596
>if you put it in a Land Raider, it's a TFC

30k and 40k traitor versions have a quad mortar. It's only the 40k loyalist version that mounts a TFC.

It's almost like TFC is a later iteration of the same weapon system. Like how storm bolters are an evolution of combi-bolters.

>>51909746
>yfw Tartaros "combi" bolters and Land Raider "quad mortar" existed as 40k units over a year before 30k came out

>>51909758
>yfw "storm bolter" was just a nickname for combi-bolters

>>51909769
>yfw "combi" is short for combination

>>51909769
>tfw 'bolter' is short for bolt operated legitimately tactical elimination repeating shooter

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>>51909811

It's actually short for bolt thrower.

>>51909457
not using more than 15 inductii is my ~aesthetic choice to go against the grain and be a hipster world eater instead of the normal mainstream ones *adjusts butcher's nail~

>>51909616
I was about to say everything but that last thing ... but then again emperor's children

>>51907493
The screaming face and burning claw on the shoulderpad made me genuinely thing it was a chaos marine for a moment.
>pottery

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>>51907493
>>51910173

Can a Leviathan sport 2 of the same ranged weapon, like 2 Storm Cannons?

>>51910232
certainly can
thats the pussy setup
2 grav bombard or go home

>>51905620
Did you forget the dawbracks of TS?

Lose all your ICs (max 3) and EVERYONE loses 1 Leadership and cannot make Sweeping Advances. In an army without ATSKNF, it's pretty heavy penalty.

Oh, and in a psyker-heavy legion (I really don't understand if you guys were expecting little psykery with TS - the problem is with psychic phase, not them), each perils wound makes the ENTIRE ARMY suffers pinning tests - again, in an army without ATSKNF, it's a pretty lofty penalty.

Instead of complaining theorycraft, go play and test it to see if it's really what the doomsayers are shouting about.

>>51910250
That said, they do have the flatly best terminators of any legion, and Magnus is double-turbo-laser-Warhound broken with the current psyker rules. Barring Magnus, they're good all-rounders with a single specific rite thats amazingly good, but magnus is wraithlord levels of undercosted and tough

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>>51910250
>if your leader(s) get killed, your troops suffer a penalty
>this is a unique disadvantage to the Thousand Sons
[mutters in nostraman]

And ultramarines get this disadvantage too. Except with those two you only have to kill the warlord, not every IC like with TSons. (And in fact, UM get an extra penalty if you kill all their characters in addition to the warlord.)

>>51909854
I thought hipster WE focused on assault vets with outflank, assault squads and outriders instead of meme of 10000000000 inductii.

The Custodes' Arae-shrike messes up with Deep Strikers that attempt to land within 12" of a model equipped with it.

Does 'attempt to land' refers only to the model pre-scatter positioning or its final position too, after-scatter?

>>51908757

Left arm looks pretty good when the flaps on the end of the gun are closed up, imo.

>>51910498
Don't try to play anything from Inferno until FW releases a FAQ.

>>51910250
Let's compare that SO awful penalty to the Legio Cybernetica one.

If you kill all of MY HQs (That also have to have a particular bit of wargear) then not only do I lose absolute control over nearly all of my army, you also gain D3 victory points on top of whatever you gained for killing them (Warlord, kill points, etc.)

>>51910498
Through scatter or final placement choice.

If they scatter into it, they deal with the effects.

If the player decides to land there, he deals with the effects even if he scatters.

>>51910564
Well, there's also techmarines with Cortexes.
I'd say something along the lines of "well both problems have to be taken together since army wide pinning at -1 Ld hits hard" but since every psyker unit will buy Arcane Litanies it doesn't matter.
>>51910577
If I haven't attempted to land 12", but have been forced to land within 12" then an effect which happens when I attempt to land within 12" doesn't take effect.

>>51910250

>1kSons aren't Undercosted and Overpowered.

anon pls.

>>51910597
Only ICs can get Arcane Litanies, and they work only once.

>>51910598
I din't say they were weak, I did say they come with a serious drawback people don't quote in their complaining about TS. Play them instead and see yourself they are this 'machine of destruction' people are sperging about without BRs to give it credit.

>>51910597
It does take effect. Entering the radius by choice or by accident causes them to come into effect.

>>51910618
But anon, EVERY legion has drawbacks in their rules. Admittedly some (hello dark angels) are worse than others (hello white scars), but you can't act like having drawbacks in their rules offsets the crazy stuff TS get when every other legion has drawbacks too.

>>51910624
But I haven't attempted to deep strike within 12".
Is it not logical to assume that if a rule which activates if I attempt to deep strike within 12" would only take effect if I attempt to deep strike within 12"?

>>51910657
I do believe Magnus and Sekhmet are undercosted, but I don't see reason to complain about Cult Arcanas. They're pretty mild and quite fluffy.

>>51910664
Eh, I dunno. Narratively it could work both ways. We could have:
>attempt to land in that location, sergeant
>we're off course!
>oh shiiiiiiiiiiiit *crash*
...which would fit what you're saying, no "attempt" to land near the area-shrikes has happened. But if we have:
>attempt to land in that location, sergeant
>we're off course!
>I'll find the closest flat spot for us to put down!
...we now have an "attempt" to land near the shrikes. We really can't guess which way FW intended the rule to go.

By basic wording alone it says 12"; which means 12" in every form. By choice or accident if you attempt to deepstrike within that zone you deal with the consequences.

It's terrible wording by FW, but it's there. I can see your thought choice, though. Should you attempt to deepstrike within the zone and scatter out, you'd be fine. Land a direct hit or whatever and you suffer the effects. Final placement would be logical but FW seems keen to be more vague whether by choice or not.

>>51910705
I would say that it's probably supposed to be if they land in 12" like rules for nuncio-voxes and the like.
>>51910731
It does say "attempt" to land within 12" though I would just ignore the word in favour of what you're saying.

>>51908517
Better!

>>51910564
>Dude the Thousand Sons are so OP now let me set up my T7 3+ save 4 wound I4 Monstrous Creatures as Troops.

>>51910801
>my tau are fine, eldar are much worse after all

What HH book, if any, has a list of generic legion markings for units, squads, etc.?