/btg/ Battletech General!

>>51890316

It breaks down into stupid shit and abandoned storylines after the Great Refusal anyway. There is much easier to write consistently and factcheck if you dont have 30 years of stupid shit accumulated so you dont have you write every faction and leader as if they were retarded to keep the story going.

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Reminder

>>51890356
Dude, all that stupid FCCW shit was solidly implanted as far back as Natural Selection, right after the Clan Invasion. There's no sudden change in people by the Civil War. There's not in the Jihad either minus Hasek.

The DA soft reboot was already a clusterfuck, and is just now about back on the right track. Moving forward is a much better option.

>>51890412

I think the business with Hasek was just a way to involve the Capellans in the Jihad to say they got hit like everyone else.

Otherwise, the Capellans would have come out of the Jihad completely unscathed, which probably would have ruffled some feathers among the fan base.

>>51890317

Not as common in other Clans as for the Wolves. The Fire Moth was the stereotypical GB light, the Falcons had the Kit Fox, and the Jags had the Mist Lynx. When the Vipers, Cats, and Sharks arrived they had their own preferences too.

As one of the originals it will show up but not so often elsewhere.

>(moving convo to new thread)

>>51890328
>Bt has its stupid parts, but if we forced enough we could believe it. The real problem comes from the universe stupid being originated by a bunch of ignorant (in the true meaning of the word) writers trying to fill holes they don't know nothing about

>>51890507
>The real problem comes from the universe stupid being originated by a bunch of ignorant (in the true meaning of the word) writers trying to fill holes they don't know nothing about

I get you, but that's almost all writers, ever. Especially in something where building a fictional universe is required, since it's impossible for a writer to have enough of a knowledge base.

I mean, let's take BattleTech. What would the writers need to know to get it right? At a minimum I reckon: all the science top create a plausible universe, plus the alternate science to make it plausible, plus all the human psychology for the characters, plus enough of a grasp on history not to just rip things wholesale, plus a working knowledge of military operations and how any fictional technologies introduced would affect them.

It's totally unreasonable for somebody to be picking on a writer for not knowing all of that. It's easy for us to pick at things, because we all have personal specialities. I make fun of BT radio procedures a lot because I was a Marine radioman. But it's not at all fair for me to say that the BT universe is terrible because they get commops completely wrong: that's some really specialized knowledge I have, and unless an author had the same sort of training I did, it's unfair for me to expect them to know that. Extrapolate that to a lot of other stuff, with everyone with their personal specialty telling the authors "that's wrong and you're bad."

If we expect authors to know everything they SHOULD know before writing a story...nobody would write stories.

>>51890570
Give some examples of common radio procedures. I've always been curious about that

>>51890487

The Capellans coming out in an advantageous position because of the clan invasion is simple and makes sense. It would have been far superior to the xin sheng wankery and Suns trusting capellan troops to garrison ex-capellan worlds for them.

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What vehicles might I find in a Smoke Jaguar or Nova Cat garrison or solahma formation? Did they make use of any captured Kurita tanks or did they only use Clan vehicles? Or maybe Star League tanks?

>>51890679

Check the MUL. Jags were biased towards Clan-made tanks though.

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>>51890619

Here. I don't really want to type up a full article. I stole this from NEA several years back. It's Army-centric (which makes sense as he's an Army vet) instead of doing things the proper way, but it's well enough put that it's easier to just post the image instead of taking six posts to type it all.

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>>51890303
>Choose your allegiance, ultra basic 3025 edition
OG Pirates, punk.

>>51890303
>Choose your allegiance, ultra basic 3025 edition

>Davion - Ultra white hat Mary Sue bullshit, shit taste
>Dracs - NPC racist bullshit, shit taste
>Lyrans - Feminist Nazi Mary Sue bullshit, shit taste
>Mariks - NPC bullshit nobody cares about, shit taste
>Capellans - Chingchong NPC racist loser bullshit, shit taste
>Taurians - Paranoid Cowboy loser bullshit, shit taste
>Canopians - Tumblr the Faction bullshit, shit taste
>Comstar - Doesn't get to actually have soldiers in a wargame hipster bullshit, shit taste
>Bandit Kingdom - less-mainstream-than-thou Mary Sue bullshit, shit taste

>playing with a faction at all - terrible writing bullshit, shit taste

The only right answer is not to play.

How long would it take for homeworld clan designs to make their way to the inner sphere? For example, suppose Star Adder develops a new mech; how long until Diamond Shark merchants start hawking it to the successor states and/or merc units?

Don't think they need to do a reboot on BT. What they could do is jump the story line 100 years or more, and then have everything that is messed up (fact checking) as inaccurate historical documents. Have one massive war to blast everyone back to 3025 tech levels, jump to the future, and start fresh (and hopefully not screw up in fact checking). Not the best scenario, but could work.

>>51891002
wouldn't happen. The Diamond Shark/Sea Fox don't have contact with the homewolds. None of the Inner Sphere Clans do.

>>51891002

The Clans start losing contact with the Homeworlds within a year or two of actually starting to sell Clan tech to the IS.

Basically not going to happen given the time you'd need to trial, get the production data, take that to the IS, etc. You'd be looking at around a year, minimum, for all that stuff to happen and in canon they didn't, they just sold their own stuff.

>>51890303
3025?
Probably FWL.
The first and last time they have any real relevance in the lore, and of the 3025 machines (Through to 3055, honestly), theirs are some of the most fun.
Orions, Trebuchets, Stalkers, Spiders... I don't even hate Hermes IIs... which is good, because I'd probably get stuck with a fuckton of Hermes IIs.

Normally I'm a DC player, but when I was choosing that first army, I was really uncertain whether I wanted to go DC for C3 networks, or FWL for Wraiths, Anvils, and Tempests. The TRO 3058U art of battle armor pushed me towards the drac camp.

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>>51890898
>forgetting the Outworlds
Ha

>>51891103
>>51891180
So basically any/most post invasion homeworld designs only saw use with the homeworld clans, and by extension were only used against other homeworld clans? Well that kind of sucks (apparently Diamond Shark got the Crimson Hawk off of Blood Spirit in the 3070's, but I get that's just a one-off exception)

>>51890303
>Choose your allegiance, ultra basic 3025 edition

Ave, true to Caesar! Or Imperator given the era.

>>51891260
Also, the stalking spider II was made by the foxes but the I was from cloud cobra.

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>>51891276
forgot pic

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If Clan Mongoose had survived into the 31st and 32nd centuries, what do you think their personality and fighting specialty would be?

>>51891076
>3025 tech levels
>could work

Fuck you if you are trolling, double fuck you if you are not. Why the fuck do you want to play Easy Mode Battletech AGAIN? If you want a boring game you can stick with intro box

>>51891307

Personality: "What can we do today to piss the Smoke Jaguars off?"

Specialty: ASFs.

>>51891343
But that's just the Ravens.

>>51891332
Not what I am saying dumb ass. I was responding to a point about whether or not to reboot the line. Kind of implied the start over, as in go intro tech, slowly recover advanced tech, etc. New units, maybe new tech, and better fact checking. Don't like it. Then fuck off Troll.

>>51891355

It's also what Clan Mongoose was written as being before the Jags offed them. Masive assblasted feud on both sides between them and the Jags, and a focus on air assets.

How's the Thunderbolt-5SS in comparison to the regular -5S?
I'm putting together a FWL unit from the lyran border and am wondering which Thud to use

>>51891713
What will you be doing and what else are you rolling with?

>playing megamek
>2 mechwarriors end up in the same hex
>"[Pilot] sits down with his colleagues and cracks open a beer!"
Okay, that's actually pretty funny. Also holy shit the barghest is fucking brutal

>>51891759
It's a general purpose Heavy lance, with a Centurion, two indeterminate Thuds and a Warhammer leading

>>51891820
The SS is my go to because no case and MGs... imho it's better mech vs mech and extra heat sinks are a blessing.
Both are great intro techs though.

>>51891759
Also they are literally within 2 BV of each other.

>>51891244

everybody forgets the outworlds because nobody gives a fuck about them. They may as well not exist as a faction just like their fan.

No, I didn't forget an 's' there.

>>51891820
I would actually go with one of each, the SS pairing up with the Warhammer, and the other with the cent. The weapon arrays match pretty neatly

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>>51891881
That was a little uncalled for.

What are the best light/medium mechs for running in wolfpacks against heavier mechs?

>>51892007

Light is Wolfhound, medium is Wolverine-M or Cronus for introtech.

Advanced tech is still Wolfhound, then Wolverine-7K, Wraith, Blitzkrieg, etc.

>>51892007
The Locust-1E is actually really mean, and the ubiquitous fan 3ML locust is even more so

>>51891713
>How's the Thunderbolt-5SS in comparison to the regular -5S?
Severely oversinked at most ranges (basically, not R4-6), and it goes all-in on brawling over the usual mixed-firepower loads on the Thud. It >is< slightly less explosive, which is nice. Honestly, it'd make a lot of sense to fit it with a Blazer or strip four sinks for jets. The -5SE is a better anti-'Mech unit, and my preferred design, but it's rare outside Merc circles.

From a fluff standpoint, the stock -5S fits the FWL better - it frees up the PPC for other things, and lets you use yet more LRM-15s without compromising your anti-infantry ability, but it is a lot less tough if a crit slips in.

>>51890303
This is your daily reminder that the Liao insignia used to have a fucking katana on it. And we expect these guys to fact check?

>>51892310
To be fair and rationalize it to myself, originally the factions ironically weren't flanderized to hell with cultural groups. At least anywhere near as much as they are now. A notable early Liao was of Anglo-Nepalese-etc stock, wore a kilt and carried a katana. Lyrans didn't give almost *everything* a German name. And so forth.

>>51892310
Fact Checking (failing at it). Killing more than all the Succession Wars combined. . .

>>51891802
Do they still have that line where if all sides die on the same turn leaving it a bust that the Chicago Cubs wins?

>>51892439
What?

>>51891244
You might be able to tell me what mechs the Outworlds make.

>>51892562

Merlin.

>>51892592
That it?

>>51892562
>>51892592
Assorted IIC mechs, why?

>>51892562
In what era?
In 3025 it is bugs and merlins and nothing else.
I know at some point they start manufacturing chargers out of nowhere, and IIRC they get the Night Hawk in the early 60s
Once lolclans, they add the Clint IIC (I'd count the other clan machines as raven-built, not outworlda)
I think the bombadier appears at some point too?

>>51892592
>>51892703
>>51892766
Just wondering because I thought on making an Outworlder force and was curious what the closest thing to "their" mechs would be.

>>51892900
Merlins mixed in with various taurian imports and a scattering of Drac mediums and FS mediums and heavies.
And bugs, unfun numbers of bugs

Does anyone have a good scan of the 2e introbox counters? I want them for cheap paper OpFor purposes

>>51892766

The factory producing Merlins was a Mountain Wolf factory.

The Merlin is a 60 ton SW era night hawk.

The factory was a fully-automated one and once lostech came back they already had a complete line for making the Night Hawk.

Learn the fluff, you moron.

>>51893456

>one thing in this is actually correct
>"learn the fluff you moron"

Kek.

>>51893456
>The (Merlin)factory was a fully-automated one and once lostech came back they already had a complete line for making the Night Hawk.
>Learn the fluff, you moron.
topkek

>>51893456
[Visable confusion]

>>51890356
>There is much easier to write consistently and factcheck if you dont have 30 years of stupid shit accumulated

This. While I lament a lot of the poor writing, I don't really blame the guys writing for missing odd individuals here and there.

Working on /btg/RO is kind of a pain, because I try to match to some extent, but I also am fine with saying "Yeah, they actually started working on a factory there forty years ago and it's been producing mechs for five years now"

What's the most geared out mech that's only armed with retrotech?
I'm talking dark age toys XXL engines with base large lagers.

>>51891389
>abloo bloo bloo someone doesn't like my thing
>must be a troll

Go back to tumblr, sensitive susie.

>>51893699

FWIW, what pisses people off is mostly just logical inconsistencies. The three biggies are:

-Random factories starting up or disappearing. People don't mind if things are set up, subject to the below;
-Blatant authorial favouritism, where certain factions get shat on for designs or factories, or suddenly get a whole bunch of shit while everyone else flounders;
-Characters suddenly and inexplicably reversing their capabilities and attitude out of nowhere.

You're not gonna be able to make everyone happy but I figure as a FWL fan you're going to have a better eye for it than others, having been subjected to that shit yourself from canon stuff.

>>51893736
I think there's that one malice?

>>51893939
1 i can't really avoid, not actually being part of the canon team. 2 I'm doing my best to avoid (although holy hell it's hard to make Drac mechs that are both a) new and b) not shit). And 3 I doubt will be an issue since we're generally not dealing with major canon characters, and when we do, it's "And then he told the procurement department to make X over Y"

>>51894035
And that I'm anal retentive enough to find a reference to a factory somewhere, or shoehorn a production line into a factory, since not even canon details those. Which helps. Except for stuff dealing with the Spirit Cats or the Protectorate. Or Factory Ships, which are just magic apparently.

One thing that's always bothered me about factories is this: how does one describe a factory that produces several variants of the same mech? Say a factory produces slightly upgraded -3R Marauders, in LBX-10, LBX-5 and armor, triple PPC and triple-LBX-5 FlakMad variations.
Is that a factory with one line or four?
Does the proportion of X to Y to X model produced matter?

>>51894536
There is literally no consistent way of handling this. Sometimes it's separate lines, sometimes it's separate runs on the same line, and most of the time it simply isn't addressed.

Can someone explain to me how the hell the "booru" works?

Odd question time, I just want to verify something. The owner of the store I play at is John Tiffany. He's also the one that got me into Battletech. He says he's been in the Battletech community since the beginning, he's even been a beta tester. Was wondering if anyone here heard of him. I'm not doubting his claims, I'm just seeing how well known he is in the community.

>>51895223

He makes jewelry right?

>>51895443
I don't think so. Never heard about him making any.

>>51895443
Or was that a play on his last name and Tiffany's Jewelry?

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>>51894837
Make an account (it's free and no personal info is required. Just use a throw away info.)
Browse pics. You can tag them to make them easier to sort. (It's a community effort and it's taking time since it's new and there's thousands of them.)
You can see the general types of tags used through the booru forum (see top of the screen)
You can add comments like it's facebook.
You can add your own pics (no pron or NSFW stuff, anything else pretty much goes as long it's not a crappy resolution.)
You can link to them in case you have needs for it (I sometimes post pics through those links)
It's pretty much and online repository of community efforts and collections over the years. It keeps growing and it's meant to be a main database for everything /btg/. I think there's an /m/ version as well somewhere in existence, but this one is specifically Battletech.

>>51895488
Ah hell, there is also permission to post Macross, Dougram and Crusher Joe pics because of their art initially being used for BT during the 80s.
Hope that helps.

>>51890570
I'd say a lot of discrepancies in Battletech come from the tonal shift from space feudal opera to a more military sci-fi over the years.

3025 stuff is more like Dune, or other sword-and-planet pulp space opera. Around the Clan Invasion in the 90s I feel there's a definite shift - things get a bit more Star Wars and eventually ends up more military science fiction in the vein of Heinlein.

It's sort of similar to how 40k started as grim satire but eventually writers started engaging with the universe as a "serious" project.

>>51895481

And they said they can't learn!

Been around since the 80s and I don't recognize the name. If you ask me, someone who says "I was a play tester" is full of shit and just puffing up for ego's sake but could be the dude is righteous.

>>51895617
Well, I believe him because everyone else who plays Battletech at the shop confirms him and I've seen his name dropped at least once on skunkwerks.

http://bfb.solarisskunkwerks.com/news/usingbattletechforcebalancerbfb

Scroll down to just just above the bolded Jihad Turning Points Tharkad.

He seems to be friends with the Skunkwerks guy/team, he's also friends with some of the people who designed the game from what I heard. He sounds amazing, so I was wondering if it's just the Colorado Battletech scene that heard of him.

>>51895726

Probably.

>>51895775
It's the first time I've been in a game group where a single player gets that much respect from everyone else. Was told to play against him with a full lance and him only bringing the Blackjack. 99.9% sure that's a bad idea.

>>51895795

Is this supposed to be one of those supposed exercises where he schools you or something? Fuck that shit. Make sure you have faster/mobile mechs and you circle of death him. It's just a fucking Blackjack.

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>>51895574
>eventually writers started engaging with the universe as a "serious" project.

No, it's still done satirically. The difference is the "If you pretend to be an idiot long enough you'll eventually find yourself surrounded by actual idiots that think they're in good company" principle.
https://regimental-standard.com/

They simply got a little more professional about it. Just look at Newcron lore. These guys are written as saturday morning cartoon villains.
Tau got their own Zeon parody, 7 samurai, hype engines,...
40k people simply tend to be dumb nowadays, so is modern /tg/, sadly.

>>51895857
Meh. I haven't played with anyone besides other newcomers so far, people as green as I am. My first battle against a vet might actually happen next week.

I was thinking if I do face John's Blackjack, just bring my 'scout' lance. 2 Commandos, 1 Dervish, 1 Vulcan with 2 Scorpion Light Tanks

>>51895859
Destroying Cadia (I play Cadian Guardsmen) is why I left 40k for Battletech.

I never have to worry about the Lyran's losing their homeworld. I say even though I'm still reading stuff from the late Clan Invasion and early Civil War eras.

>>51895876
>I never have to worry about the Lyran's losing their homeworld.
The Wolves literally sacked Tharkad and killed the Archon in the latest material.

Not to mention Tharkad was under Blakist control for over half a decade after that dumbass Peter broke the Second Star League.

>>51895876

I dont even mind my favorite faction losing as long it has buildup and reasons. I've been always a sneaky capellan fan and I felt Hanse shitting on them was completely okay. The steiner-davion alliance was a historical gamewinning move. He lined up everything, built up RCTs,organized Galahads to practice, had spies in place, neutered the hasek boy, max was crazy and Hanse even had personal motives to go with it..The whole thing flowed really well and felt reasonable. Guy deserved his win, leave him alone.

I expected the Capellans to come back with some sneaky spy shit combined with diplomacy and infiltrators. Sort of like the "green man" hybrid warfare of russia, not pure writer fiat. Xin Sheng and he focus on the warrior houses just makes me butthurt if I wanted that shit I'd play dracs.

>>51895865

Your lance for the most part should be able to beat on a Blackjack unless he picks the map/terrain you fight on. Circle of death still holds out with your choices. 4-1 or 6-1 odds isn't in his favor even with an elite pilot.

>>51895912
>I expected the Capellans to come back with some sneaky spy shit combined with diplomacy and infiltrators. Sort of like the "green man" hybrid warfare of russia, not pure writer fiat. Xin Sheng and he focus on the warrior houses just makes me butthurt if I wanted that shit I'd play dracs.
Are you me? Fuck Xin Sheng.

Ah the old RCT vs Clusters question.

RCTs are divisional formations and their direct comparison are Galaxies, not Clusters.

Clusters are combined arms regiment equivalents.

>>51895912
>>51896000

You know what? Give me that. I'll roll it as future campaign development - I've got players starting 4SW shenanigans, make it make sense and I'll update as the AU happens.

Xin Sheng is about as dumb as letting porchbux slide - "little green men" makes a fuckload more sense, especially given the potential cultural influence that Tikonov has on the Confederation. Shifty rusrus + shifty ricerice?

>>51896080
Can also throw in a side of "fuck it's going to be costly to invade them fully even though we have superior arms" a la WW2 America dealing with the Japanese Empire. The Suns'd win, but it'd be a huge issue allowing that amount of opportunity to the Dracs.

Also go to bed.

>>51895912
>Sort of like the "green man" hybrid warfare of russia

The what now?

>>51896080
If you want an AU, have the FS partner up with the FWL instead.

>>51896270

They had a bunch of special forces guys in Ukraine who were uh totally just there on holidays you guys, honest.

Which the Caps were also doing with the sponsorship of Zhanzeng the Duwhatevers.

>>51896080

>chaos march is in.. chaos
>constant low level insurgencies and brush wars going on
>deniable "pirate" assets raiding everything, even capellan on capellan and davion on davion
>shiftiest mercs in the universe posted everywhere
>spies behind literally everything, like its Berlin in the 1950s
>black painted "phantom mechs"showing up here and there, sometimes razing davion barracks, sometimes capellan cities
>sometimes they are insurgents
>sometimes they are false flagging
>sometimes they are insurgents false flagging and attacking their own people to blame the davions
>sometimes they are comstar
>local militia is fedcom in name but worlds are essentially governing themselves
>both the capellans and fedcoms maintain the peace on the surface, no one wants to be cast as an agressor especialls in the face of the clan threat
>capellans are also using their cultural and economic soft power to spread their influence into the captured worlds, state-sponsored smugglers thrive, entire black regiments of mechs are hired
>fedcom influence is gradually waning to the point giving up worlds or consolidating them into pupper states are in the talks

>>51896331
>Word of Blake outgames the Capellans at all those games like they always have
>Digs their fingers even deeper into the Capellan Phoenix and Warship programs with no Xin Sheng
>Running the Cap HPG's as usual
>Corrupting the Warrior Houses from the inside via St Jamais as usual
>Use a Whiteout for a coupe
>Mask suddenly has to decide whether to support the new Robe regime or go underground
>Confederation of Blake declares war on the Goons
>Comstar waffling between whether they should focus on the Blakists or leverage the Robes commitment to wiping out clanners to put together Bulldog 2: Bear Boogaloo
>Secret robe wars and assassinations either way

Now that would be fun.

>>51895912
Xin Sheng was awesome. Sun-Tzu built and planned for it and he deserved the win. Leave him alone.

>>51896448
>Sun-Tzu built and planned for it
Sun Tzu was off chasing space amazon tail in the FWL periphery

>>51896484

>replying to bait

anon...

>>51896529
>differing opinions are bait

anon...

>>51896529
You may think that little of other people but for the record there are loads of Capellan fans. You need to get over it and move on.

>>51896570

If you really think Xin Sheng was properly foreshadowed with actual groundwork rather than coming out of nowhere, you're either brain damaged or MadCapellan. But I repeat myself.

>>51896603

Dont reply to obvious bait.

>>51896603
>it isn't proper groundwork if I don't like it
Gotcha

>>51896615
Still not an argument

Stop goddamn it. Just stop.

Xin Sheng good, Xin Sheng bad... whatever. Discuss like fucking adults and just accept that whatever your views are, everyone else has theirs.

>>51896625
Not any of them but anyone who looks at it objectively doesn't have much to discuss. Sunny was literally crying like a bitch when Candice put down his mother in '52 and was shown as a petulant miniMax up to that time. Then he spends two years galavanting twelve jumps from home instead of supervising Guerroro but nothing happens to his realm and he comes back just in time to be elected First Lord of the Star League.

So all the magic happens in 3053-3056 and none of it really makes any sense.

>>51896625
I am, an for it I'm being accused of bait. Hanse winning the 4th war was fine. Xin Sheng was fine too. Hating then won't make them unhappen. Some fans need to grow up a little.

>>51896648
>make up bullshit
>demonstrate you never read the books

Yeah if you do that the carefully explained things won't make sense.

>>51896648

Oh yeah, when Candace tells Sun Tzu that she could have killed him right there or replace him with a coup any time and then she fucks off and does nothing up till Sun Tzu conquers St Ives. Bet she regrets not acting when she had the chance.

I also kek at how they softretconned away minimax Sun with "lol I was just faking it all along"

>>51896663
>bullshit
More like you demonstrating you never read the novels. Lost Destiny and Double Blind are super clear on the subject.

>>51896679
>softretcon
>when the author writing him makes the reveal in the *same* trilogy he's introduced
Fucking Helen Keller could get it.

>>51896692
>Him Maxaloging about how super schemey and smart he is
>a reveal and not showing he was just more of the same

Anon, you can't be serious

>>51896685
>no u
Not an argument. Those books set up his rise and explain how it starts and comes to pass. You're literally just making up bullshit when the books establish it happened. That's weird for you to do.

>>51896679

>retcon

No

>>51896707
>get proven wrong
>"anon u serious"
Actually read the books... you'll learn something about the character and his development. I mean you're flat wrong and either lying out of butthurt or honestly have no familiarity with the topic's fluff.

>>51896711
>Those books set up his rise and explain how it starts and comes to pass.

The second book is literally him stroking his own ego when he's on a two year trip, 500 lightyears away in bumfuck pirate space instead of ruling.

>>51896692

It isn't though. In BoK he's a retard without any self-control who acts like Mad Max.

He then inherits a military that's been purged of everyone competent for decades on end because Romano was terrified they'd rise up against her, unearths a military director who makes Kerensky look like a moron, whips his military into shape in two years, then kicks the living shit out of everyone again and again and again while the Periphery realms that either hated or mistrusted him fling themselves at his feet for a chance to suck his dick.

None of it is foreshadowed. It all just happens and everyone has to accept it because, hey, it's canon.

That doesn't mean it makes sense.

>>51896729
This. Interestingly, Double Blind was Coleman's first novel too and the first time you see him being portrayed as Machiavellian instead of a madman with delusions of grandeur.

>>51896737

If it happened over 15-20 years nobody would really care, it's mostly the overnight shift from a broken military to them probably being the 2nd-best in the Sphere from a quality perspective and raising new units so quickly along with the Chinese cultural uptick.

If he'd done that over the space of a generation, especially rebuilding his officer corps, *then* taken on the St. Ives Compact it would have been fine. They rushed the recovery so they could get the CapCon resurgence before the FCCW though.

>>51896729
In BoK he establishes he's been acting in the third book.

>>51896331
>capellans are also using their cultural and economic soft power

their "culture" is shit and they're poor as dirt

>>51896789
^this

It's even Candace who comes out and says Sunny was just acting. There are real criticisms of Xin Sheng and bullshitting or pretending Sunny was "softretconned" is retarded. He was consistent in how he was written. In book 2 you only see him how others see him, in book 3 you get his POV and Candace commenting on him.

I really wish /btg/ wouldn't let its hatred of Xin Sheng rewrite fluff in its collective heads so often.

ATB. How bad is a minor contract breach? It wants me to sortie out to collect a Star League cache, and if I'm reading the unit deployments right, it wants one of my mechs (it says random, but makes me choose one to deploy) plus an Ostscout to go up against two Longbow's and a Zeus.

With my heaviest unit being a Stalker, I'm not sure I like this mission.

>>51896848
In Book 3 at the palace he's acting exactly like Pre-4th War Max. "I am so smart. They shall never suspect me to use this brilliant strategy. They underestimate the Confederation and think us weak. But we are not as weak as they suspect." The difference is all the schemes he thought possible actually come to fruition instead of exploding in his face. That's the disconnect I think. People look at it and go "well, there's another one of these guys". But then it actually works out for him.

>>51896988
That's part of how he succeeded. People assumed he was his grandfather and he reinforced that impression on Outreach. Only Candace, who new her father, saw through it then. It's just so weird that people here, when the book literally spells it out to them, still get confused.

>>51896615
You are the worst poster of this thread

What's the best TRO?

>>51897271
3085, because it is the most complete TRO they have ever made. It has everything but Battle Armors (with few exceptions)
3145, because it is huge and has everything but infantry
3050, because it has the most common mechs used in games

3039 could have been good if wasn't for the horrible art

>>51896656
>Hating then won't make them unhappen.

That's not true. With enough hate, we got the 3250 time jump to be stopped before it started. With enough hate, we got a competent leader back at the helm of the Suns before they could run the whole Caleb storyline. With enough hate, we got Herb to quit.

We can have that bullshit overturned too. We just need more hate and directed against the right places and people.

>>51897493
lol so this is the power of /btg/

>>51896903
>ATB. How bad is a minor contract breach?
It's not a huge deal. Every battle you win in a contract gives you 1 point. Every defeat gives you -2 points. When you complete the contract it is considered a success if the number is positive, even if it's just a score of 1. A minor breach is a -1 point, so each one counts as half a lost battle. Special missions like SL Caches also count as a -1 if you lose instead of a full defeat. So assuming your campaign score is positive you don't need to win every single battle to succeed. Obviously your employer would prefer if you were perfect, but it's better to concede instead of deploying haphazardly and being defeated.

If you want to read the full rules go into the mekHQ docs folder you'll find the ATB rules, campaign score is explained at the bottom of the Contract Generation tab.

Special missions are very tough because you start outnumbered. But they usually scale to the mech you deploy to the mission, not the BV of the mech+pilot. So if you choose to deploy a light mech the enemy will be composed of light mechs and this may also change the type of mech you retrieve from the cache. If you want to do one sent out the very best pilot and mech that you have so that you can handle being outnumbered.

>>51897493
>with enough hate we ruined the future story arc
>with enough hate we ruined the current story arc
>with enough hate we ruined the game and someone's life

>>51897540
Most people who argue over fluff probably don't even play the game.

>>51897508

Er, while Fuckstick-anon is technically part of btg by virtue of posting here, everything he's describing happened on Facebook and on the OF. Not here.

>>51897540

And all of those things are a net positive. CGL has shown that it's really us who determine our own fate, the direction the game will go. All we have to do is supply sufficient pressure and have the will to do so.

And Herb deserved it. My only real regret is that we couldn't drive him to a suicide attempt, the fat cunt. Battletech seems to have been shown up by Palladium again. First Robotech, now they got one of their guys to try and kill himself since he wasn't doing what the community wanted. Why can't we do the same?

>>51897493

>Caleb Davion

I'm still trying to suppress that shit. If they really wanted an "evil davion" why not just make someone who darkly mirrors Hanse A total autocrat bent on ruthless conquest but being a dick about it, breaking treatiest, acting on snap decisions that seem to work for a while but alienating every other state? Like a sort of space Napoleon. A glorious davion wank for a while before getting utterly defeated by a coalition and saved from certain destruction and getting partitioned by a space Talleyrand seguing in the next storyline.

>>51894035
>Drac mechs that are both a) new and b) not shit)
Out of curiosity, what do you consider a mech to need for it to be Drac?

>>51897718

Single heat sinks, a melee combat weapon, an MRM launcher, and a PPC-class weapon. Plus the artistic styling and a name that sounds Japanese but really isn't.

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>>51897609

>>51897800

Enjoy being divorced and unemployed you fat self-righteous fuck.

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posting a bunch of random 'mechs

>>51897988
>>51897999
post some non-BT ones

>>51897609
>And Herb deserved it. My only real regret is that we couldn't drive him to a suicide attempt, the fat cunt.

I think I love you.

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only have bt mechs on this computer

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>>51898022

Why would we post non battletech mechs in the BTG?

>>51898075
Because I like to see some mech diversity and try to stat out non-BT mechs?

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>>51898075
The only reasons I can think of are for discussions of what BT mechanical art should and shouldn't be, and some beloved machines from other franchises that you would love to stat for the game for fun. Kind of like that one guy with the graph paper and intricate drawings of mechs and such from Patlabor, MUSHA and Gunhed (I think that's what it's called.)

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while we're at it, anyone have a good picture of the blackjack?

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>>51898150
Got you senpai

>>51894837
>>51895488
The problem with the booru right now is that it's full of shit. Pictures of unpainted minis, smug anime girls, and le ebin maymays

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>>51898150
Most of the good ones I know of the old BJ are those CCG pics, but those are small pics. I found this a while back.

>>51898075

>purple helmet and armor
>camo cloaks

this never will be not retarded

also, they are mariks, why arent they fighting eachother?

>>51898181
I don't speak reddit because that place smells of awful. What is "le ebin maymays"?
Also I didn't see many anime crap in it. Maybe ten pics out of the 10,000+ that are there.
Don't know what to do about the minis yet. The place is still being worked on in various anons' spare time.

>>51898210
Wait, I know how to google. Sorry. Screw me.
I didn't see that many memes other than ones specifically made by /btg/ though. They are usually put until the silly title, those that have been tagged so far.

>>51898198
>also, they are mariks, why arent they fighting eachother?
>hurr durr muh civil wars

Go back to bed, Coleman.

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>>51898022
It's kinda fun looking through stuff trying to find mechs that wouldn't look out of place in Japanese science fiction from the 80s.

>>51898261
Agreed, the flanderization got awful. The civil war thing was there at the beginning as a reason to keep the FWL out of the 4th succession war. It wasn't supposed to be their only trait. They wouldn't have had only two civil wars in eight centuries if it was.

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>>51898022

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>>51898022
Kataphrakts are cool albeit you have to fix their wings? (I haven't watched the series) in a certain position.
Sort of like a modern Phoenix Hawk.

Heck, I'd bet a few useless internet bucks on them serving as inspiration for the new Phoenix Hawk redesign by Alex.

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>>51898022
I have thought for years this would have made a great upgrade to the Stinger. Make it 30-35 tons, armor it up and have at it.

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>>51898022
This, plus honorable mentions to the mechs from MUSHA, Robo Aleste and Thexder / Firehawk.

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>>51898022
Have some 90s robot designs to help hold the line with the 90s robot designs of the original IIC line.

I need pics of Manei Domini, their mechs, battle armor, etc.

Any other Blakist ones are welcome too.

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>>51898022
Something fancy for the old Com-Star.

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>>51898098
>Kind of like that one guy with the graph paper and intricate drawings of mechs and such from Patlabor, MUSHA and Gunhed (I think that's what it's called.)

I would totally love to jump in on this discussion, but most of you have probably seen all of it already...

... that, and I'm currently posting from my phone as I sit here donating some blood. Can't exactly go anywhere.

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>>51898618
Are you the same pencil-bro that does the graph paper stats for those Robo Aleste / Gunhed / Patlabor mechs? If so, awesome. If not, still awesome. I am having a difficulty wondering how to tag your pics one the booru. "Pencil_bro #1" or "pencil_bro #2" or whatever. I love your work and that graph paper stuff.
>donating blood
And not selling it for more money for minis? I'm teasing

Battletech is filled with some weird ass writing at times. I have a question. Right now on /a/ they have a thread of hentai doujinshi quotes that are freaking hilarious whether taken in or out of context. BT does have some humor. Is there anything along the lines of silly ass stuff / quotes we have to compile for kicks and giggles?
>>>/a/153880728

>>51898835
The one where Hanse is fighting "Death Commandos" is hilarious.

>see how I bleed for my nation, mr reporter man

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Has the Confederation ever designed tactics for combating the Suns?

For instance, since they know the Davions are fond of Mediums, would their strategios authorize something aimed at destroying large numbers of Mediums, like the Grasshopper or such?

>>51899089
Their industry wasn't really capable of specializing like that in the Succession Wars.
Their attempts at fighting back were elastic defense, essentially yielding the initiative and try to survive, and much later an attempt at EW force multipliers (like the Raven).

>>51899089

That would require them to have meaningful mech production. They didn't until Xin Sheng: The Bullshittening

>>51899186

Can we NOT have another Xin Sheng tangent? We just got over the last one.

>>51899089
Caps have historically had a really hard time building new Heavy lines. It's why we have the phract. Lantren didn't liscense out the Grasshopper until the 3060's anyway and it was so rare it was a "literal who" mech on the battlefield prior to the publishing of TRO:3025.

Honestly, you'd be better off trying to restore the Thud line on Grand Base.

Anyway, the caps strategy was just maximum bang for your buck, which was Vindicator city. Too bad they cheaped out on torso actuators. Now that's a refit you could probably sell the higher ups.

>>51898835
What about the one where Tucker Harwell compared brain damage to peanut butter?

>>51899263

>Thud line on Grand Base

Why didn't they reactivate it?

>>51899349
It was running, just at typical low succession war numbers.

>>51899263
When was there a Thud line on Grand Base?

>>51899434
It's one of those things where it's said the Caps made Thuds, but it's not said where, so people have always assumed it was at Earthwerks on Grand Base.

>>51899450
Oh. Is there like a list of what the Cappies were making? Circa 3025 or so?

>>51899515
Locust, Stinger, Vindicator, Wolverine, Rifleman, Thunderbolt, Cataphract and Victor. There's a also a couple refit retcons like Highlanders but those are best ignored.

>>51899089

They way hard pressed to field ANY kind of mechs, so they relied on frankenmechs and generalists like Vindicator and Cataphract to hold the line. After they lost Tikonov their mech industry should have been over, even with fasanomics.

This is also one of the reasons why XIN SHENG triggers me so much. I fucking adored the whole Raven and electronics warfare direction, a perfect fit for the sneaky,resource starved capellans but then they suddenly pulled out entire lines of heavies out of their ass.

>>51899612

To be honest, the Fourth Succession War was a mistake given what it took to fix that literary wise.

Why they went ahead with that nonesense and nearly crippling a faction, I will never know.

>>51899562
Sorry I mean by factory. I'm not sure how many factories they actually had.

What about the retcons? Is that like how the Lyrans built Flashmen and the Free Worlders built Guillotines?

>>51899689
Because it had been set up in all the early material as the next big thing coming, a decisive victory and a beginning to an end to the Succession Wars. The old housebooks and Battletechnology magazines just pumped up the hype to insane levels. 1984-1987 was a stalemate of a universe forever locked in 3025. The Fourth Succession War was the first great event of the game at a time when it was a global phenomena and the move to a universe that developed in real time.

What should have happened was them finishing off the Capellan Confederation, but FASA was always bad about that sort of thing. Just look at how long the six worlds of the FRR hung around.

>>51899689

Cause it made a way better story than trying to please(and fail) all the faction fanboys in an eternal status quo. Everything between 3025 and 50 was just screaming "big shit is going down pals, the old order is permamemntly changing, history is in the making" and it was interesting to see how will it unfold.

>>51899725
Ares (Bergan Industries): Locust, Stinger
Capella (Ceres Metals Industries): Vindicator
Corey (Hollis Incorporated): Highlander
Grand Base (Earthwerks Ltd.): Stinger
Nanking (Kallon Weapon Industries): Rifleman, Wolverine
Sian (Hellespont ’Mech Works): Raven, Wasp
St. Ives (Ceres Metals Industries): Vindicator
St. Ives (HildCo Interplanetary): Victor
Styk (Tao MechWorks): Crusader
Tikonov (Earthwerks Ltd.): Cataphract, Thunderbolt, Vindicator

>>51899830

They could have just not did he Fourth Succession War to begin with.

It's kind of contrived and sets the scale for escalating levels of nonsense.

>>51899860
>It's kind of contrived

Not at all. The whole of the original materials is "Look at Hanse Davion, a man never meant to be on the throne but due to the death of his brother is bringing in new ideas and forming new alliances with old enemies. A real war is coming, beyond the raids and squabbles you know."

>>51899919

But the manner in which it's executed at times makes it seem worse than areas of the Jihad or Clan Invasion.

>>51900065
The Justin plot was pretty unnecessary and everyone including the Big Mac getting roundly stomped in some battles that should have been more of a fight was not great, but it was fun and no crazier than stuff like Max's plot to replace Hanse with a puppet.

Jihad and Clan Invasion are both high water marks though despite their problems so I don't know why you would use them as some sort of bad comparison when they're leaps above stuff like the Fedcom Civil War or the Early Dark Age.

>>51900165

I find the Dragoon plot rather unnecessary too.

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>>51897775
This should hit all those requirements (it's also a light mech for bonus points). I don't know how good of a design it is, but it seems like it would work okay as a skirmisher mech.

>>51900493
Looks like a Kurita Assassin refit to me.

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>>51900493
I also made an assault mech with the same parameters (I couldn't come up with a heavy that wasn't just a nodachi reskin, medium skipped because dracs)

>>51900564
What an awful piece of crap. We'll take a thousand!

>>51900165
I thought only one MAC regiment got trashed.

>>51900592
I mean, they bought the fucking Chargers. This thing isn't that bad, and snubbie ppcs are pretty solidl, and it can actually use its TSM correctly, unlike the majority of canon designs.

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>>51898804
>Are you the same pencil-bro that does the graph paper stats for those Robo Aleste / Gunhed / Patlabor mechs?

Yes (pic related).

Interesting you should pick an Ishkick from Orguss. For many years, I had a model of one sitting on my bookshelf. Unfortunately, the bookshelf was wobbly, and it tumbled down one too many times to its destruction. I still have an unassembled Orguss Flyer, though.

>I am having a difficulty wondering how to tag your pics one the booru. "Pencil_bro #1" or "pencil_bro #2" or whatever. I love your work and that graph paper stuff.

Thanks. I was thinking about that, too: I know that everything /btg/-related I've ever done is probably in the booru, but I have a devil of a time locating any of it. There are a few namefags here on /btg/, but I'm not one of them... so nothing to really make them stand out.

>donating blood
>And not selling it for more money for minis? I'm teasing

When I was in college, I had a roommate who sold his plasma for extra spending money. When he was headed down to the plasma center, he'd say he was "going to work", and we'd both laugh.

>>51900853
Holy shit, there used to be a an actual gamestore in Colonial Plaza? By the time I was a teenager, the only one still in business was Pegasus Loft out by the base.

>Viking variant where all LRMs are replaced with MRMs
I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work, but I kind of still want one.

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>>51900927
>Holy shit, there used to be a an actual gamestore in Colonial Plaza? By the time I was a teenager, the only one still in business was Pegasus Loft out by the base.

Yes, and by an amazing coincidence, I was talking with someone today about its proprietor, Jeff Lawrence (the father of "Bryan", whom the store was named after). We used to play Battletech and Warhammer 40,000 there years ago. Jeff is still around. He ran a Beyond the Gates of Antares demo at a shop down here a few months ago, but timing didn't work out and I was unable to attend.

The only shop still in business that I know of in Wichita Falls is on Southwest Parkway. The sign just says "COMICS" in big letters, but for legal reasons, Larry has maintained the old name of his business - "Galaxy Books and Comics" - for decades.

>>51900853
>>51901128
You ever play Car Wars? I could swear I met a guy drew battletech stuff like you twenty-odd years ago, and it might well be you

>>51899515
Data on 3025 Capellan production is notoriously incomplete. Ditto for the Dracs.

>>51900564

>over 3 holocausts of C-bills for that crap
>the jump-capable assault meme
>that weapon loadout

make it stop

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>>51901179
>You ever play Car Wars?

Yes! Car wars is less about shooting up the streets in kitted-out hot rods Mad Max-style, and more about who can build a better car. It's a game of engineering first, and dice-rolling second. Kinda like Battletech!

>>51901467
>jump-capable assault meme
wait, how is that a meme? wouldn't jump capability be really useful for assaults since their low MP means they get extra fucked over by rough terrain?

>>51901624
Sure, if you're 80-85 tons, they're okay. Once you get past that, paying 6 or 8 tons for those MP is nearly a waste.

>>51901641
>if you're 80-85 tons, they're okay
and the mech I posted was 85 tons, which is why I was confused about that.

>>51901467
>weapon loadout
what specifically is wrong with it?

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Needs a filename.

>>51901865
Wrong thread?

>>51901865
>3064 Jade Falcon Incursion
Or
>Operation Audacity

>>51901525
>Car wars is less about shooting up the streets in kitted-out hot rods Mad Max-style, and more about who can build a better car. It's a game of engineering first, and dice-rolling second. Kinda like Battletech!
I would in fact go so far as to say that Car Wars is pretty much the only other game that could be properly called Like Battletech
It's a shame it never really got anything like the Mechwarrior games for it, Interstate '76 excepted
But hey, SJgames is bringing it back, so who knows

>>51901641
>not making assault mechs purely for DFA
I mean, why bother?

I know we have a bunch of players who are fans of the hardluck 3025 Capellen Confederation, I have a question:

If you could keep one regiment/battalion alive that died or was disbanded due to the 4th Succession War, which would it be?

Could be because you like its fluff, its insignia, or even just its name.

I've always been a fan of Hamilton's Highlanders for all three. And Kerr's Intruders too. I like the story about some of the Intruders sneaking on to New Syrtis to act like commandos. Plus crossed revolvers is awesome.

>>51902267

DFA has always been a trap to me.

It's easier just to blow something away or take a swing at it to me.

>>51902329
You don't do it because it's easy. You do it because you want to feel like a man, and know what it is like to crush dozens of tons of metal under your giant flying feet.

>>51902429

I wouldn't know given it never hits most of the time.

It's why I quit using the Highlander.

>>51902584
That's what makes it so good, for those times that do.

What are you some sorta pulse laser fan?

>>51902429

>when you have 2x the LRM 20 launchers than the enemy has mechs

Come at me nigger.

>>51902705

That reminds me. Why is AMS so damn terrible? It's basically a waste on any mech you put it on.

>>51902584
wait a second, does the -2 to piloting rolls quads get also apply to DFA?

>>51902666

>pulse laser fan?

Yes I am.

Why is that significant?

>>51902856
It's a joke.. since they get a target bonus and all.
Style should matter some in these games, it's part of the fun, DFA is the personification of that.

>>51902898

My favorite style is blowing jumping, meleeing, running around retards off the map with missiles without getting a scratch in return. This one time I fielded nothing but a trinary ERPPC/LRM configuration Timber Wolves. I do believe that counts as a good style freebirth, quiaff?

>>51902836
Why shouldn't it? Two more legs to hit with.

>>51902748
It's great in the vidya games. My brother made a Mad Dog with two gauss rifles and everything else was AMS.

>>51902836

No.

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Am I zombiemeching hard enough?

>>51903043
It's a fat grasshopper that doesn't jump.

Not that anything is wrong with that.

>>51899244
No. Your faction is shit and the only way it got out of the toilet is through stupid amounts of authorial favoritism. By the guy who embezzled nearly a million and has kept the franchise stuck on life support for almost a decade.

So fuck you and fuck the Capellans.

>>51903262

Blame the games creator for getting them in the toilet in the first place.

>>51903043
I'd dump the compact engine for hardened armor
If you aren't carrying armor that outmasses a panther, can you really call yourself a zombie?

>>51903043

Use Hardened armour instead of heavy FF

>>51903262
lol I know you're joking but people who really get that butt hurt are why I proudly play House Liao

>>51903262

You know it was all because they wanted to enter the chinese market, right?

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>>51903262

Motherfucker, I don't even like the Cappies, I just don't want another pointless fucking derail because some people are buttmad that the authors pulled something out of their ass to keep them from going extinct.

>>51903336

That'd be the first time I've heard that theory.

>>51903043
>zombie
>not hardened
Nah, not really

>>51897718
Well, partly, it's sort of what >>51897775 says - if you want to make a mech feel really Drac-y, what do you do? Everyone else has access to snubbies, HPPCs, LPPCs, and so forth, so MRMs are basically their only signature weapon these days. They're starting to branch out into specialty armors, but most of them kinda suck and we've got designs using them anyways. Doesn't help that I'm just not a big fan of the Dracs, so it's a bit harder for me to design stuff for them - same as the Clans. Amusingly, despite disliking the Capellans as a faction, I have a very easy time making Cappie mechs - they have a lot to play with that can combine in interesting ways. Also, making Feddie mechs is hard despite vague tolerance of them.

>>51902273
They defected, but the Northwind Highlanders.

>>51902898
>>51902666
>>51902429
>hurr durr watch as I get shot by literally everyone as I hang in the air through the shooting phase, then miss the psr and fall onto the ground and kill myself

DFA is for fools. If I were rewriting the ruleset it's one of the first things I would change to be less shitty.

>>51903367
The concept I've always kept in mind when trying to design dracmechs is that they expect to have veteren on average pilots driving the things, so things that would be a dubious gamble for other people are fine for them

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>>51903043
Try this

>>51903347
>House Marik
What attracts people to the Free Worlds League?
Their mechs are usually the worst (for ooc reasons, know), even worse than the Capellan's when the Capellans have shit for resources, intellectuals and industry (I mean seriously, the lineup of League mechs in the 55 and 58 TROs compared to the basket case Confederation).
They pretty much never fight anyone but each other. When they build warships they have paper armor.

I don't see the pull.

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>>51903043
Go armored SFE over CFE.

>>51903434

MRMs are meant for green pilots and the average Drac is closer to Regular.

If you want Vet pilots on average, build for the Suns.

>>51903443
>Their mechs are usually the worst

Not in 3025. They're the only boys who make the Awesome after all. They don't make bad 3050 upgrades or Phoenix Upgrades either. And even among their new chassis, I never did terrible with things like the Anvil.

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>>51903443

You see this shit right here? This is why I love the FWL.

>>51903410

its supposed to be shit,and for humiliation only like being tauntkilled or knifed in a shooter,

>>51903443

This. They have fucking nothing but civil wars and collapse. Hell, even the capellans fare better than them, its hillarious. They literally collapse so hard they cease to exist entirely. They disappear from the starmaps.

>>51903538
LOL how have I never seen this.

>>51903542
>try to humiliate the other guy
>only humiliate yourself

Seems about right.

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>>51903542

>its supposed to be shit

Wouldn't that also mean mechs built around the idea of it like the Highlander are shit too then?

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>>51903538
Janos balls hard.

>>51903574
it is

>>51903574

>build an entire mech around a gimmick

good job

>>51903551

The FWL has the exact opposite problem that the Cappies had. They were in an amazing position and literally had no excuse not to go on a fucking conquering spree because they had as many warships as the rest of the IS combined, but because we aren't allowed to have anything other than the perpetual stalemate, they sat back on their ass and did nothing and started infighting for no fucking reason.

>>51903465
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>>51903313
>>51903297
Fair points, should I go for the torso mounted cockpit as well?

>>51903538
>Andurien secedes
>gets spanked by Liao
>FWL breaks up
>Liao recovers lost worlds stolen by Marik
>Andurien worlds now allying with Liao and might even join Confederation

GG Janos

>>51903715

No, because you don't want to fall over. Hardened armour already lets you take a gauss to the face and not check for crit, and you possibly even survive an AC-20 to the dome so long as no crits are rolled, but a torso mounted cockpit just means you're going to have the Stalker 2 problem of failing every piloting skill roll ever.

>>51903607

If you're going to pick a gimmick, being tough and having a GR+LRM-20 combo isn't a bad way to go.

>>51903367
Fair enough, outside of MRM boats or iterating off of previous designs (eg. spider into venom or jenner into owens) there isn't anything uniquely Drac to work with (outside of C3 I guess, but that's not exactly untapped ground).

>>51903704

>the FWL also accepts Katrina Steiners call for peace and enters a ceasefire.
>they even cooperate with the Suns and invade the lmaos together, creating a huge and unstable occupied area
>between the war of 3039 and the drain of occupation the FedComs decide not go after the FWL despite the strained relations
>no blakist shit happens, form our own star empire, wobbies
>when the clan shit happens the FWL goes around on a conquering spree towards the periphery, invading the magistrate, the taurians and the rest of the tinies, they see themselves as liberators
>somehow they also develop a huge hatred of the opressive regime of the dracs, want to liberate them real bad
>their entire shtick is "FREEDOM IS HERE NOW BROTHERS(stop shooting)"
>the entire IS is a tense standoff between the remaining power, knowing the first one to shoot would get devoured by the rest of the factions
>clans keep kicking the powder barrel
>wobbies are planning something on the hidden worlds and deep periphery stations
>just as a three-way battle is about over the terran corridor between dracs, suns and mariks they unveil their greatest plan, uniting the would be enemies for a while
>LIBERATE STRANA MECHTY
>the free worlds guards dont lose to the wank snakes this time
>a purple eagle flies in and cries tears on the chalk.
>the entire inner sphere understands the neccessity of free association and trade and fully accepts the use of force to defend it

>>51903723
To be fair to poor Janos, there's literally no way h could have known about Coleman.

>>51903801
>(outside of C3 I guess, but that's not exactly untapped ground).

Problem there is that they've shied away from it for a while now in fluff. And as you say, hard to do new stuff with it at the moment.

I did have one nice C3 trick, but then errata fucked it over.

>>51903723

Wasn't Andurien technically Capellan first?

>>51903941
Yes the Andurien worlds are ancestrally Capellan.

You'll notice the only way the Camerons would let the FWL in the Star League was if they returned Andurien to the Confederation.

>>51903928
What if you gave them LAMs? Not like anybody else is making them.

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>>51902252
Well, there was AutoDuel, but that was technically a GURPS conversion of Car Wars, and it was only on the Atari ST that I'm aware of. Blew many a happy hour in that game as a tyke, though.

>>51902748
>That reminds me. Why is AMS so damn terrible? It's basically a waste on any mech you put it on.
It used to be a bit better, then they "adjusted" its rules a couple of times - mostly to tone down LAMS, but still. It used to be more of a one- or two-shot deal but much more effective while the ammo lasted (just like IRL..). Now it's more of a hazard than a benefit, but CGL is allergic to adjusting rules for broken systems unless people Herb/Loren actually play with complain.

>>51903336
Implying there was a Chinese market for ANYTHING American in 1986.
No, Hong Kong doesn't count, it was still British then.

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>>51903844
>Dead Clanners
>Dead Cappies
>Purple Burd Stronk

Stop, I can only get so erect.

Next you're gonna tell me the MD and Regulans brofist over a glowing Rasalhague.

>>51904000
There is literally nothing better than putting an AC20 round through the cockpit of a Clan mech with a vintage Hunchback.

>>51903844
>>the entire inner sphere understands the neccessity of free association and trade and fully accepts the use of force to defend it
[FREEDOM NOISES]

>>51903844

I once worked a deviation from the 4th Succession war, in that Janos Marik was in with the FedCom from the start. He was so incensed at being forced into the CoK by Kurita, he contacted Katrina. In the end, he launched flipped and joined with the FC as the reborn SL. Kurita held out for 15 years (the occupation of the former CC took a hell of allot longer than canon to settle out) before the FS took back the worlds it lost during the Succession Wars. Takashi died during the Ronin War, and Theodore made a peace of sorts with the FC/SL.

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>>51902252
>It's a shame it never really got anything like the Mechwarrior games for it, Interstate '76 excepted

There's a little-known gem put out by a Russian team called Hard Truck Apocalypse. It's not the finest game ever made, but it has a lot of Car Wars-like elements. I have replayed it to the end many times.

>>51903974
>Well, there was AutoDuel, but that was technically a GURPS conversion of Car Wars, and it was only on the Atari ST that I'm aware of. Blew many a happy hour in that game as a tyke, though.

Origin also ported it to the Commodore. I ran it on a C128, and again a few years ago (OK, so maybe 10 years ago) on Windows using an emulator.

>Daicon IV

It's either real or it's a dream
There's nothing that is in between.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTB9rzP2efE

>>51903941

It was. Steiner and Liao drew the short lots during the succession wars. The biggest contenders for eventually winning it was the dracs and the suns, but ultra-traditionalism was slowly choking the dracs to death. if not for the shitty civil war meme the Mariks could have been a possible winner and eventual first lord.
Also, I think their shtick should be "space EU" A culturally diverse, bureucratic but very down to earth faction, essentially using combined arms armies everywhere. Warship, Dropship support, naval assets, submarines, tanks, mechs, hovercrafts, aerospacefighters, stealth bombers, cruise missiles, lots of fixed and self-propelled artillery,rocket artillery mechanized infantry, conventional infantry, drop infantry, jump infantry, paratroopers, power armor,special forces, blimps, biowarfare units with tame aliens, combat engineers, cyberwarfare units, lots of fixed defenses, emplacements, bunkers, fortresses, trenches etc.

Basically, they would be fighting actualy modern war with Savannah Master swarms rather than jousting with mechs, but their bureaucracy and the coordination of the independent armies would make planetary invasions pretty much impossible or pure mech raids only. Taking their (free) worlds would be a bitch though.

I'd also really like to invade into worlds like that on tabletop, it would be like playing Panzer General, unlocking a puzzle and peeling layers off one by one like an onion.

Of the scorpion variants, would you rather take a 1O, 10M, 12S?

>>51904088
He really wasn't even forced into the Concord. Takashi bitched and moaned, Janos wanted some PPCs and probably thought it'd be worth it to shut Takashi up.

Best part is
>Takashi in 3023 saying "Free Worlds need Draconis, Draconis does not need Free Worlds"
>Takashi in 3028 screeching "Save us Free Worlds!"
>Janos sitting there and smugly saying "lol let the fools knock their heads together"

>>51904088
The entire FedCom plotline should have actually been the FedLeague plotline, in which two nations with sympathetic cultures gang up to eliminate the foe between them, while the hated enemies in the LC and DC have to get their shit together and cooperate enough to try and stop the snowball.

Plus, the idea of the fucking Lyrans of all people wanting peace and thus starting the FedCom is too much to believe. Meanwhile the FWL throws away so many solid chances to better their position because they don't want to be the aggressors.

>>51903974
>Well, there was AutoDuel, but that was technically a GURPS conversion of Car Wars, and it was only on the Atari ST that I'm aware of. Blew many a happy hour in that game as a tyke, though.
I think it had some sort of PC port, since I did download it from some abandonware place and play it like ten years ago. I still wouldn't really call it the same sort of game as the Mechwarrior series, though
>>51904108
>There's a little-known gem put out by a Russian team called Hard Truck Apocalypse. It's not the finest game ever made, but it has a lot of Car Wars-like elements. I have replayed it to the end many times.
I'll have to dig that up

>>51904139

The Lyrans were always the confused puppy of the inner sphere. Social generals, heavy mechs, focus on the economy but also wanting to war, slowly losing to the Kuritas over the last 300 planets, its just a clusterfuck.

And then they somehow found the vain nationalism to rebel aganist someone who grew up on their capital, spoke german and busted his balls to save their realm because they wanted to bitch-princess from avalon instead.

Lyrans deserve everything that happened to them and more.

>>51903410
>hurr durr I hate fun
I bet people love playing with you.

>>51904139
>while the hated enemies in the LC and DC have to get their shit together and cooperate enough to try and stop the snowball
so what you're saying is that, in the name of the Star League ancient enemies have reunited and together they're going to take back their galaxy?

>>51904239
But my complaint is that DFA is not fun, and while you slap your cock on the table herping and derping about how a shitty option makes you a REAL MAN and you can HUMILIATE THE ENEMY, I want to make it better, so that the games is actually fun.

Fuck yourself in the face.

Gas the Lyrans, space war now!

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>>51904263
Speaking my language, anon.

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>>51898358
I'm kinda surprised the Pacific Rim mechs don't get more love. Some of the concept art and ones that didn't make it on screen were really cool.

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How is my mech design? The idea is that since quads get total cover from height 1 terrain, I can just stick it behind any small hill and use it as a pure indirect fire mech (also making it a quad means it can have more MG knees)

>>51903443
>Their mechs are usually the worst
Stop playing shit eras then

>>51904137

My take on it, was Janos was desperate for anything to gain an advantage over the Lyrans. Max was on team Takashi because at the very least he offered a second front against the FS.

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>>51904401
>I'm kinda surprised the Pacific Rim mechs don't get more love. Some of the concept art and ones that didn't make it on screen were really cool.

Well, they *are* 2,500 tons of awesome. Maybe I'll take a stab at it some day. What would Incinerator Turbines count as anyway?

>>51904532

Allying with the dracs was good realpolitik, but not invading the capellans after the suns stopped their invasion wasnt. I know, the steiners were also attacking but they launched their operation whatever on ALL the kurita and marik fronts, they would have ran out of steam fast. The richest capellan core worlds were ripe for the picking with only beaten and demoralized trash defending them. Just go for it, annex and hope when the time comes you can 2v2 the FedCom with the dracs. Or accept an offer you cant refuse from Hanse, fuck knows, the dracs were full on collapsemode at the time, with the dragoon fiasco and everything.

>>51904456
When do they git gud?

>>51904532

Wasn't that because Janos knew the Free Worlds might have had something to do with Katrina, one of the most politically astute and dangerous Archons ever to grace the fast of the Sphere, gaining the Lyran throne?

Otherwise, the Free Worlds could handle the Lyrans on their own couldn't they?

As much as they speak of the Lyrans being an issue, I'd be more afraid of the Capellans.

>>51904786

Right after they dissolve.

>>51904605
The League wasn't eager for a war, and they weren't telepathically privy to what the LCAF had where. As it was, the Lyran forces on the border were big enough to be concerning. And Janos wasn't entirely sure the AFFS would stop at the Confederation. Expending blood and political capital staging an invasion of House Liao wasn't really too wise with the uncertainty.

Go after Liao and you're challenging Davion for their wedding gift to Steiner and opening yourself to attack along your other borders.

In this situation discretion was the better part of valor.

>>51904605

I think if the Free Worlds had annexed the Confederation, they probably would have have bleed for them for no real gain, to say nothing of what a desperate Capellan nation might have unleashed to stave off destruction.

Plus, the League might have thrown itself into chaos with any such undertaking on just the vote to commence such an invasion.

It'd also put them on the border with the Suns, who are on record as actually having aided the Confederation covertly during the Andurien-Canopian conflict on a world or two to prevent such an occurrence from coming to pass.

>>51904807
Maybe, yes, and Free Worlders actually hate Lyrans more than Capellans. Th FWLM has always pushed the CCAF's shit in like clockwork. The Steiner Steel Wall is a tougher foe, and the Steiners never stay on their side of the border (it was the Lyrans that opened wars with the League historically).

>>51904821

Not to mention he probably didn't want the Confederation as that would mean annexing more trouble makers.

>>51904821

>telepathically privy to what the LCAF had where. As it was, the Lyran forces on the border were big enough to be concerning. And Janos wasn't entirely sure the AFFS would stop at the Confederation

Its military intelligence 101 to- oh wait, never mind, SAFE.

>Go after Liao and you're challenging Davion for their wedding gift to Steiner and opening yourself to attack along your other borders.


Yeah, sit on your ass, let your sorta-ally get devoured by your enemy and after they absorbed them let them pick off you or the Kuritas at their leisure. Stellar idea, general. You'd fucking know that Hanse is eventually going to come knocking. You dont let them consolidate gains.

>>51904865
>>Its military intelligence 101 to- oh wait, never mind, SAFE.
SAFE spends more time screwing around with intrastate MegaCorps shenanigans than foreign intelligence operations. Sad but true.

>>51904600
All the torso slots loaded with flamers and coolant pods for a single, safe FWOOM

>>51904865

The FWL military probably would have probably botched any such attempt given it was mercenaries that slapped around some of their best during the 4th Succession War.

>tfw no House of Cards style anthology of short stories set in the Free Worlds League parliament during Thomas' reign

>>51904983

Sadly true. I really dislike how completely useless the mariks were the entire time. Hell, they even lost aganist the clans during the great refusal.

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>>51904865
Well Hanse didn't, so I guess Janos made the right call.

>>51904983
To be fair, those were "all according to plan" type scenarios that never really pitted the whole of those units in fights.

>>51905065

I guess. But I wonder what if they went for the FWL instead of the Combine in the war of 3039.

>>51905094
ComStar magic and Hanse getting bored of winning after losing Hesperus II.

>>51905114

>ComStar magic

I kekd so hard when they had to break Operation Holy Shroud and hand out LosTech like candy just to juuuust prevent Hanse from winning.

>>51905130
250 RCTs are a hard act to follow.