/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

0th for last thread >>51865868

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First for the ninth.

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>>51874707
You beat me to it, Uni.

>>51874772
Damn witches.

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>>51874453
The hardened armor is supposed to represent the multi-layer plating developed in response to banestrike rounds, but I see what you mean about the WT and the fires of isstvan rule being a little much. considering he's only ever seen in a support role I think I'll drop the WT and add a ppm cost to the armor (suggestions welcome, currently thinking 1-2ppm) it's supposed to be narrative so I'm not as hyper-focused on perfect balance, unless it's out of whack totally.

>>51874468
>>51874559
This is the type of shit I aspire to be better than.

>>51874801
It ain't witchcraft if I don't wear the uniform.

Recommended Justaerian terminator load outs? Thinking Combi-plas or melta + MM, and lightning claws

>>51874954
melta is great if your local meta doesn't run a lot of armored ceramite, or for busting dreadnoughts/doors in zone mortalis games.

>>51874954
Somewhat depends, how are they getting to combat?

>>51874991
Spartan with a terminator apothacary and praetor or chaplain

>>51874954
What holes do you have in the rest of your army? Termies, unless your whole army is termies, should be used for a role-whether it be anti-termy, anti-marine, tough scoring or whatever. Lightning claws are good at shredding marines, but leave you scratching like a space wolf against 2+ and dreads. Powerfists lets everything else swing first, but you have a good weapon against everything.
>>51875007
Thats a fucking lot of points, so you want them to hit the most expensive unit your enemy has. Give them plasma and fists, and one or two chainfists to keep armour away.

>>51875026
Thank you. Figured they would be a cool center-piece murder ball and have terrible luck with DS.

>>51875083
If you set them up properly for deepstrike, or find a way to ensure it, they can pretty teriffying

>>51875109
And to achieve that I would use nuncio vox on like bikers to ensure the DS would be succesful? Gradually switching from 40k as CSMs so I'm not super experienced at making DS work

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>>51874908
And what a uniform it would be!

>Just got an email from FW saying the Inferno is in the mail

Glorious

>>51875533

Mine is on the way as well. Everyone keep your eyes peeled, when it arrives everyone's going to know.

>>51875224
Bikers can't take nuncio voxes in 30k if i'm not mistaken, mainly just tactical and vet tactical squads are your most common choice for a nuncio vox

Unfortunately though, teleport deep striking in 30k takes far more commitment, namely since you either have to use Orbital Assault or the Black Reaving RoWs, but you could chuck them in an anvil with combi-plas and powerfists/chainfist and guarantee a turn two charge

Deep striking just comes down to equipping units to dumpster specific targets

I personally like a bit of herohammer so I run a praetor with Combi-plas/paragon blade with a unit of 5 Justaerins in an orbital assault list. It's not WAAC levels or shit, But it's fluffy and with a little luck, you can delete a pretty tough unit with BS5 rapid fire plasma

>>51875571
For the SoHs, they can take Mr Overcosted can-be-killed-by-a-power-fist-artificer-sgt Abaddon and deepstrike with a termie unit.
Or try and roll Void Walker as a WT

>>51875411
And if I don't wear that tabard or a 40k sorcerer skirt it's not witchcraft

>>51875623
Or just take Blackshields and deepstrike half your force for free.

Also. A fuck ton of China cast from z is arriving tomorrow. Will inbox for the boys.

>>51875758
PotL is better. That Blackshield RoW is too dangerous to be that good.

>>51875623
For the love of god please buff Abaddon, It really bothers me how overpriced he is... First Captain my ass weapons...

>Void Walker WT
That's the one that gives deepstrike to just single unit, would that affect attached characters?

>>51875758
>Black Shields
>Outlanders
>Rag tag group of astartes has access to more teleportation than the Warmasters own....

Wish these were a thing
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/User:Unification#Sons_of_Horus

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>>51875839
>That's the one that gives deepstrike to just single unit, would that affect attached characters?
Sure, let it be so.
Pollux has a similar trait, and we read how he teleported alongside his squad.

>>51875918
How was that book? (Crimson Fist)

>>51875930
So good.

t. Imperial Fist player

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So since Magnus has guaranteed that I will lose friends, is there another LOW choice that's good and does something Magnus never could?

>>51875768
Just ordered 3 knights off of him. I'm hype.

>>51876004
A fellblade is a great centrepiece for a mechanised army, a knight atrapos is good a killing other superheavies, and a warhound is a different way to get D into your army. But really magnus is the first primarch to be worth his points

>>51876077
>magnus is the first primarch to be worth his points

I played a game with Proxy Thousand Sons last week, Magnus made twice his points back on the turn he deep struck.

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>>51876077
>You gotta be invincible-cuz-invisible or spit D-mindbullets that are always within LOS and Ignore Cover, while having resistance to D-weapons himself, with a S9 AP1 Force weapon and a S8 AP2 Assault D3 Soulblaze gun to be worth your points
You and your kin make me mad. Mad about FW cheese.

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>>51876077
>But really magnus is the first primarch to be worth his points

>>51876216
Fw has always produced big strong models though!

>>51876195
Tell story pls. I need to hear Magnus hilarity before it becomes common enough that we all know what he can do.

>>51876216
>>51876273
compare, for example, horus. He can eat anything in melee, but usually he'll catch one tactical squad the opponent throws as a roadblock. He needs some method of transport and protection with an escort, a vehicle or both. A good opponent will ignore your 800+ point deathstar, while his army slaughters yours. Compare that to magnus, who is perfectly functional by himself, needs no transport or escort, and rightfully should cost 750 points or so but FW wants horus to stay the most expensive. Worth his points is an understatement, he's a lot better than his points, but compare that to all his brothers who are never going to make their points back through combat unless its through mutual deathstar annihilation, and any army buffs only start making their worth known at 3k+ games. That doesnt mean that i support FW's bullshit, but most primarchs you take because they're cool, not because they're optimal. Magnus is at least as good as a warhound for 66% of the cost.

>>51876273
Objectively though, any melee beatstick is only situationally good. Shooting lasers IS good.

Also, it was dead obvious the Magnus wouldn't be a slouch in combat because no Primarch is. Even Lorgar is solid in combat.

A shooty Primarch would have to be both beat stick and laser of doom. Otherwise sigismund would push their shit in.

>>51876316
At 3k+ Magnus is going to eat the D like anything else though. Or a Talon of Leviathan Dreanoughts will ruin his day.

Or your 100 Levis will slowly chop him away.

Or your death star manages to lock him in combat.

>>51876338
What about Dorn and Alpharius?

Death Guard and World Eaters players, How does it feel to know that Ahriman has shat on Typhus and Kharn for 10,000 years?

Can Corn and Nurgle even compete?

>>51876044
Awwww yeussss. I have around 2.5k in Astartes coming in the mail. I also have around 2k admech laying around unassembled haha.

>>51876377
They are pretty average, think of the Primarchs as glorified figure heads that mulch any other non Primarch beat stick.

That was pretty much what they did during the crusade, showed up to 1v1 whatever poor leader mook that defied the crusade.

>>51876377
Falls on the army support primarch. They personally don't earn anything back, just look scary (invisible models wooooo) and let your army do shenannigans.

>>51876419
Yeah!

In a 5000pt game, Perturabo would be the tits because free deepstrike for all his Terminator boys.

>>51876316

I think Alpharius is worth it below 3k. Army wide Preferred Enemy is pretty damn nice, he also doesn't really need an expensive bodyguard, he's probably happiest just charging a blob and hiding in combat all game.

>>51876419
>They personally don't earn anything back
Pretty sure they'd mulch anything without a primarch in it though, or let the deathstars duel it out on even footing while they distracted stronger primarchs?

Also wtf but I didn't think Dorn was a manlet or
>tfw to intelligent for combat practice

>>51876372
Barring Knight Melee, i dont see much D, magnus can D a Knight or a trio of leviathans, or anything footslogging from half the board away while they footslog at him. And even without going full biomancer he's no slouch, unless you have ten termies with a buffing HQ or a CC primarch beating on him he's not going down
>>51876377
Alphy's decent in bigger games because appearing from nowhere and armywide PE, but he's no doom laser like magnus

>>51876316
>He needs some method of transport and protection with an escort
Well of course, they may be Primarchs, but they're still Infantry models you know. Not everyone is Corax of Curze.
Or Mortarion, quite unexpectedly.
Or Sanguinius, you can bet your ass he'll at the very least move like a Flying Monstrous Creature, like that Tau Starsuit Commander.
But you're right about Magnus needing to be way WAAAAAY more expensive and some Primarchs being a bit too expensive for what they do, mainly because their pricing and rules were made through a direct comparison with Horus...and then came Magnus.
>That doesnt mean that i support FW's bullshit, but most primarchs you take because they're cool, not because they're optimal. Magnus is at least as good as a warhound for 66% of the cost.
Good to hear. It really looked as if you supported Magnus' cost.

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>>51876283
Well, the game was cut short when one player had to leave but,

I was playing 2000 points in a 2v2 4000 point killpoint mission. I had Curze on the board trying (and failing) to spook the stubborn Thousand Sons terminators on one side of the board. my ally was Mechanicum with a bunch of big boops on the other side of the board with two drop pods, their terror squads, my Sicaran Venator, and the melted remains of a blood angels army.

Turn 2 rolls around and Magnus (without re-rolling reserves) deep strikes onto the board with all the big boops and drop pods and unleashes Pyromancy's nova power at Strength D and decimates more than half the big boops and every vehicle with no saves of any kind allowed. Surprisingly, because the power was AP 5 and only 6's ignored all saves, my terror squads only lost 2-3 guys each. One of the terror squads ran, the other shoot at(read:failed) and tried to assault Magnus's terminator bubble just to die horribly to primarch stats. I think they took out 3 Sekmet with them. The Mechanicum player was so done with Magnus he walks his bots to the other side of the board where Curze had just died to six 1's in a row before the game ends because of the aforementioned early leaver.

>>51876460
It wasn't in support of Magnus's cost, it was bemoaning the pricing of every other primarch.
>corax or curze or morty
I play Admech and Night Lords, and usually bring a basic Terror Assault featuring Batman, termies and a Leviathan. Even then, i have trouble making my points back when i bring Batman, since while he's a primarch any 2w termies or particularly choppy legion units can do damage, i got dropped to 1w by a WE tac squad with an apothecary that rolled sixes for a charge

>>51876560
>i got dropped to 1w by a WE tac squad with an apothecary that rolled sixes for a charge

To be fair, that kind of squad takes on Horus and his bodyguard.

>>51876560
The Primarchs I mentioned are the ones that CAN survive without a transport, not that they can defeat entire armies on their own like Mr. FOOKIN NUKE here >>51876536
I like Curze's spooping-on-line-of-sight rule, but you shouldn't expect it to work on bots and stubborn people.

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Would you operate operationally on operations with these Alphas? Assuming the Tac found a bolter.

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>>51876625
What's in his hand anon? Why's it censored?

>>51876580
I assumed i was out of charge range, and slaanesh interfered with that roll. But yeah, my mistake nearly lost my primarch turn 2.
>>51876614
Corax is good by himself due to shitting on artillery/blasts/shooting generally, and Morty is mega-tough to go with his mobility, but Konrad is definitely not durable enough to do his thing by himself.

What would be an acceptable re-costing of your primarch, /hhg/?

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>>51876644
No weapon, no witnesses, no proof.

>>51876644
>I got my bolter right here
>*unzips dick*

For Imperial Fist players.

I know Dorn isn't a beatstick Primarch, and is supposed to be good for buffs.

His buffs seem kind of underwhelming too, have any of you had any success stories using him?

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>>51876614
I will say even though my game went south solely because of Magnus it would have gone much different had he not rolled Strength D on 2d6, and I would've denied the witch if Curze was in range because of Adimantium will. Hell, if I dropped Sevatar first, I would've denied the witch because Sevatar hates Psykers so much he denies just as though he were one of them.

>>51876752
I'd love to see Sevatar push Ahriman's shit in.

Underrated First Captain.

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>>51876690
>Dorn isn't a beatstick.

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>>51876752
I like his rape face.
I wish he had either AP2 or a 2+ save. Even if he is a crimson gauntlet.

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>>51876773
I would be excited to see a First Captain gauntlet at my LGS.

Mostly cause noone there owns Sigismund yet.

>>51876690
>crusader, furious charge and +d3 combat res
This makes you slower emperors children, and will make you damn good at sweeping, which is good since you have teleporting termies and the ultimate meq blender in the Templars. Plus Dorn is a solid primarch in combat, with ability for decent strength, instant death and piles of attacks
>morale bonuses
Generic primarch stuff, but useful nonetheless. Fear is a thing in 30k and theres lots of primarchs, robots and spooky bats, shooting checks are a thing, its just a decent, uncomplicated buff
>beatstick
He's a fucking primarch ya dunce, he murders everything that isnt a primarch deathstar and has huuuuuge bonuses to sweeping so he's capable of chasing shit down.

>>51876815
Kek. Saved.

>>51874867
no comments on the new revision?

also up for discussion: Best weapons loadout and squad size for breachers in zone mortalis?

>chinaman has shipped

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>>51877019
Who is this chinaman? I wish to order some 30k minis but everyone refers to this dude as chinaman. Also, does this guy have custodes by themselves? Jesus I just want to buy some custodes but fuck buying a tank with them, or buying a box set.

>>51877126
for custodes just use Ebay. they're all from the burning of prospero plastic and can be had for ~28 US per 5.

>>51877174
oh shit.... nice

>>51877126
There's actually a number of chinamen. You can find their contact info pretty easy, but bear in mind we don't give it out for free (as it increases the likelihood of them getting shut down AND increases the wait time/workload for the casters).

As for custodes, ya just go on ebay. Cheap AND plastic.

Is there an Inferno pdf yet? I like to read the fluff.

>>51877214
SHUT UP

>>51877195
I should have guessed some sort of secret club. No matter though. I'm not in any hurry to collect the minis.

were night lords actually the good guys, or is ADB a cuck?

>>51877214
If you don't keep asking, I'll scan the book when I get it.

What movie score best represents each Legion?

I play Ultramarines...and the Gladiator score is perfect for them.

>>51877313
They had some justification, but the only way you could class them as good rather than flatly evil was if they were pre-konrad terrans who were just doing their job in the most efficient manner, i.e. soldiering as a psychiatrist instead of as a serial killer

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>>51877126
Chinaman is an odd ball.

>>51877275
>>51877330
Jesus Christ, mate. I haven't even been here in like 2 weeks.

>>51877313
Konrad Curze and his followers wanted to bring order through terror like he did on Nostomo.

The Night Haunter and his followers wanted to cause terror for the sake of terror.

After the Emperor told him to come home to be grounded he had PTSD about his visions of the Emperor killing him and fled to be traitor. Most of his legion were found at fault for doing what they were told to do so they went with him.

ABD's night lords and Zho Sahaal seemed to agree with Curze's teachings and used fear as a tool to create order but were still hurt by the "Emperor's" assassination.

Krieg Arcerbus on the other hand went full blown daemon prince, preaches the Night Haunter's dogma and helps Abaddon most of the time.

>>51877415
Have faith anon...Scanaon has never failed us, he in his Imperial Palace of forbidden scanning technologies.

>>51877126

> This is why the West is fucked.

>>51877462
This makes me sad. Imma poor as shit college kid. I just wanna buy some Custodes by themselves and some Crusade Era marines. The marines being secondary to my wish list.

>>51877533
buy a single burning of prospero box then, 30 mk IIIs, 5 tartaros, 5 custodes and 5 sisters of silence. can get it for 110 US if you look around.

>>51877578
Maybe I will then. Gotta check my LGS(Something tells me they won't have it for cheaper. I hate being poor.

Abaddon is 2nd worst First Captain...only Kor Pharon is worse.

>>51877625
Warhammer is not a hobby for those with money problems

>>51877625
if you don't want the whole box, see if anyone else there wants parts of it. When I was doing my RG I got in on a box where the guy didn't want the tarminators, and I'm going to be splitting another box 4 ways this weekend.

calth and prospero make things much more affordable especially when you can split them locally.

inb4 'muh plastics' autism. It means I can spend more cash on upgrade kits to the plastics like shoulderpads and heavy weaps, or vehicles

>>51877651
It's actually not that bad. I know poor people that are racers/tuners/gearheads and that's way worse on the wallet (though you do get a car out of it).

Things are cheap on ebay. BoP and BaC are a thing. China is a thing. Cheap Start Collecting and Armored Assault boxes (tougher to use in 30k unless you do a Siege of Terra legion). Etc.

>>51877625
This is a hobby for rich people
Or rather, people that would be rich but keep blowing their money on plastic/resin crack-o-drill tiny soldiers that can give you cancer if you do it wrong.
Not for the faint of either heart or wallet.

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How would you break out of this situation?

>>51877731
Anon, you ask this thing each week.
Not even Ferrus knew how to get out of that one, not even Perturabo would know how to get inside this one.

>>51877704

When anon says hes poor, I'm imagining he has a part time job at a burger joint that he only walks away with $80 a month after bills and monthly budget. Can you build and paint a whole Legion off $80 a month? Certainly! That doesn't mean he should.

>>51877731
Pray to the Emperor for good dice rolls.

>>51877731
by calling a massive orbital strike on the captains position, eliminating the traitors and giving the immortals a glorious death
thats essentially what immortals are there for anyways

>>51877651
I know this all too well. I started playing 40k in High School. 3e and 4e were a thing. The start up cost was very very rough. Though, I liked the aesthetic of the standard CSM squad so I bought a shitton of them.

>>51877674
I just picked one off of eBay. hopefully he delivers. I would buy both boxes if I could afford it.

>>51877727
Dude, I know it. I pitched most of minis because of a flood I had last year. (Don't ask, it fucking sucked) I didn't weep but I wanted to. Also, I have many firearms that I wish to purchase as well. Having hobbies is true suffering.

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Ohh, you think spins are you ally?
But you merely adopted the spin.
I was born in it. Moulded by it.
I didn't stop spinning until I was already a marine, and by then it was nothing but steadyness.

Spins betray you, because they belong to me!

>>51877782
it's heresy, then

>>51877731
You out roll the other guy ;P

>>51877758
That's actually me.

>>51877782

Fucking spinhacking DG shits I bet they wallhack too

IF or UM?

>>51878238
UM.

I'm so sick of IF posting

What purposes can custodes actually serve as allies? I'm trying to get away from the memetrain a little here and actually look at what they can bring that's practical and worthwhile as an allied detach.

the caladius is obviously nice, but at the same turn is essentially a more expensive sicaran. For the purposes of argument I'm going to assume that no one is being a raging asshole with a shield captain without good reason.

The only thing I can really think of for reasons to bring them is as a spread out deepstrike shield with arae-shrikes, and despite how crazy those are you're paying at least 300-400pts for the privilege.

>>51878296
You sound like a dirty son of Ultramar. As for you answer, I am super poor college gamer and wish to own/paint a squad of the then still Legio Custodes.

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>>51878254
>I'm so sick of IF posting
....they even post?
Meanwhile, you have the major Calthposting.
>>51878157
>Shadow of the Reaper
Well what do you know...

>>51877731
>Unilaterally declare us Sworn Brothers
>Enter their Spartan through the ramp
>Immediately be informed that 30k allies don't work that way
>Forced to disembark
>Leave by left hand door
>Squad morale restored

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>>51877861
Magnificent.

>>51878373
>>51878296
Actually UM are my allies, primarly legion RG, just trying to see if there is a coherent purpose that custodes can serve now that the memetrain has sort of died down and people are starting to get over the initial ass blasting. they absolutely have problems and the Tribune is disgusting, but memes aside the more I look at them the more I figure they might actually have some considerable difficulties in real missions.

>>51878296
Instant death to big boops?

Marines don't seem to do that well. Instant death is near useless against legion astartes however as their multi-wounded big guys usually have the primarch special rule.

>>51878254
yeah but arent the IF more fascist?

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>>51878487
Just so we are in the same page, what do (You) mean with fascist?

>>51878519
superior in every way

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Done painting my first apothecary, I'll do do the base tomorrow after I get a new glue pot.

>>51877782
DG dude has bee based and finished, need some good light to get finished pics maybe another spinning GIF.

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>>51878641
And the back.
I need to go over some of the white parts to make them more even, but it's late and lighting is bad right now.

>>51878641

If you wanna be a real baller, go get a white RG decal and a black one and do that split color symbol with decals.

>>51877773
>ebay says the seller wants to cancel
?????????

Am I screwed?

>>51878833
Don't ask for financial advice on a Trinidad and Tobago canoe-rental board.

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>>51878891
No longer.
>pic related

>>51877174
>28 for 5 golden boys
>good deal

>>51878948
rekt. watch him repost them for $40

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Legion Champion in Cataphractii armour with power maul, yes/yes?

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>>51878960
>Can't leave negative feedback.

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>>51878966

What's the best way to Varagyr, /hhg/?

Claw and Fist on most with 3 or 4 heavy flamers?
Marching fire with 10 Reaper Autocannon?
The absolute madman 10 Heavy flamers?

>>51879223
claw + chainfist on all of them + yiff priest in terminator armor + yiff king (to make them troops) + orbital assault ROW + kharybdis assault claws + DS the rest. whole 3k list would be like 40 of them all with claw + chainfist

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>TFW building your first Custodian Tribune
>First model in six years
>Already planning 30 more

I missed this plastic crack

Does anyone even use Heavy Support Squads? (Iron Havocs don't count.)

>>51879409

>spear with shield

anon...

>>51879255
>3k list
Well then you'd need another Priest!
One of each or two of a kind?

>>51879420
It's allowed. You can a paragon spear and shield

>>51879420
Is a Paragon Spear a Guardian Spear type weapon?

Been wondering this for a while.

>>51879450
It is. You can run spear and shield but lose the charging bonus of the Spear because it is a specialist weapon .

>>51879424
youd want them all to be wolf priests for the FNP and PE.

it would be a decent list but would get raped by a bunch of different shit

>>51879464
>You can run spear and shield but lose the charging bonus of the Spear because it is a specialist weapon
are you fucking retarded or something anon
thats not how it works

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>>51879480

>>51879480
>>51879504
You were fucking saying. The shield denies the bonus, but the spear can be run because it is a specialist weapon and not two handed. You don't get the charging bonus for the spear with it.

Going to be building some custodes and sisters of silence soon, what's the best loadout?

>>51876004
>So since Magnus has guaranteed that I will lose friends,
Just don't be a cunt with Mind Wraith and you're good. Get Biomancy and punch people in the face.

>>51879527
Depends on how you play. They basic Custodes have a shit ton of versatility.

>>51875682

But then how will you play pretend?

>>51877731
Do I have fucking Alzheimer's or do I see this 2-3 times a week on /hhg/?

r8 3k IF/cuckstode list
siggy
command rhino
medicae in cataphractii with th/ss
5x solo techmarines with rad grenades
10x cataphractii with chainfists + storm shields
20x tactical marines
20x tactical marines
20x tactical marines
dorn with his kustom mega thunDerhawk with voidshield
walls

cuckstode king with s10 fist, lasers, 3++rerollable. teleport
basic 3 man cuckstode unit, teleport

siggy, the techmarines, terminators, medicae and dorn are all in the thunderhawk and essentially form 1 massive deathstar, which piles in with the cuckstodes into 1 blob of shit.

>>51879712
I am sad to say that you dont have Alzheimers since that shit pops up at least 3 times a week at minimum.

Hey dudes. I'm trying to decide between Imperial Fists or Space Wolves as my new marine project. Wanting to have a little bit of everything with a personal preference for speed and aerial assault

Do I go full wolf or more germanic operator knights?

>>51880029
Go Imperial Fists, space wolves are
Too vanilla.

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Guess the legion.

>>51880057
Is that supposed to be a sneaky beaky terminator?

>>51880057
fuck this looks embarrassing

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>tfw my brothers won't come to my Chaos Cathedral

>>51880057
I don't understand.

>>51880057
pigeon guard?

Was wolf skull motif / wolf skull helmet SW only thing?

>>51880192
Helmet, definitely yes. Only yiffs would cosplay.

I believe that Horus might have had some skulls for decoration due to the original legion name

>>51880192
If you're talking Legions, there may have been a few in the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus and the World Eaters/War Hounds, since it fits their old names and I can see them taking trophies. Archmagos Draykavac also has a bitchin' skull helmet, although I don't think it's wolf. Want to use that for my Scoria because it looks like the Xana symbol.

>>51880057
Raven Guard or Thousand Sons. Probably the latter.

>>51880276
>Archmagos Draykavac also has a bitchin' skull helmet
>helmet
Listen, bruh, if Inq. Dravere can give hmself a horse head and still not be a heretic, Draykavac isn't stopping at a hat.

>>51880057
What is looking left, down, or right - The Legion

What am I supposed to do with a my unassembled shit when my weapons are in the mail?

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Theyre really fucking trickling out these releases

If I'm doing Guard of the Crimson King at 2000 points and deep striking a lot of terminators, is two leviathans in drop pods (staying inside them of course) enough on the table turn one, or will they get BTFO? Planning on deep striking 3 sekhmet squads and a Dreadclaw with vets and a praetor starting turn 2

>>51880192
Luna Wolves draped pelts over their shoulders in the fluff, but the only skulls adorning their plates were human skulls.

>>51880903
That sounds like a shit

>>51880431
What are the sensors on the carapace

>>51880903
You can just have unit of termies start on board and then Levitate them forward into plasma range.

>>51880410
Fair point, actually. Probably not his actual head in there anyway, if I remember correctly, the Archmagos in the Forge of Mars books built himself an awesome brass body with replaced blood, a giant landship and a crew of Servitors to man the bridge just so he could playact as an Age of Sail captain while he explored stuff.

I suspect most Archmagi have a good few backup bodies for different occasions. A fight between them and a Dark Eldar Haemonculus Coven would probably be like a giant game of Nidhogg, they'll just keep respawning.


Shame noone actually uses Draykavac because he's pretty much objectively worse than Scoria, though.

>>51880861
Gotta release more knight heads yo, the people love that shit

>>51880933
>>51880958
Deep striking is opened up by the rite of war and also gives the terminators fear and rerolling invulnerable saves of 1 on the turn they arrive. Just looking at ways to make a not-orbital assault

>>51880990
the shit part is two levis in pods at 2k

>>51880990
Just because you can deep strike termies doesn't mean that you have to. Sekhmets are extremely mobile so you can get away with starting one unit on the board so you don't get tabled.

Do you guys think Sekhmet 'choose' rather than roll for was typo or intentional?

>>51878966
>can't sweep
>can't deny any saves worth denying
Yep, totally worth it Anon.

>>51881145

>Just because you can deep strike termies doesn't mean that you have to.

As a budding NL player, is it true for my termies, too? I figure just being able to Deepstrike them regardless would be a pretty powerful thing in 30k.

>>51881160
Same wording at Zardu Layak who gets to pick his powers.

>>51879410
I'll be getting some for an eventual Thousand Sons army when I'm done with my Dark Angels.

Imperial Fists get free tank hunters so they probably use them.

>>51879409
Imagine how retarded it'd look when he tried to fire the bolter holding it from the far end of the spear. Consider moving the trigger to the closer handle.

>>51880764
Paint what you can, assemble stuff etc.

>>51879409
Those are some nice dice.

>>51879410

I thought about getting a Lascanon squad together for my Night Lords because I like the idea of a bunch of "snipers" hiding somewhere blowing shit up across the map while a contemptor with heavy flamer fists REEEEEES the shit out of the poor souls who used to be inside that transport.

It feels very NL-y

>>51881160
Entire book is a mess, so it's hard to tell. From fluff standpoint, it makes sense for them to be better than standard marines(plus they are ML2), and two disciplines are shit enough that it's not overpowered. Likewise, it should be easy enough to just copy paste "generate" to their entry.

On the other hand, pretty much no one else gets to pick, including Magnus and Ahriman, so it's weird. In the end, it feels decently powerful but not bullshit so most people seem willing to roll with RAW.

So anyone knows about update schedule of the scanon?

>>51881174
Nah, that guy is just explaining that DSing Sekhmet just because you can isn't always good since they have other methods of moving about.

>>51881214
He isn't a company that regularly updates on a friday or whenever. He's just a guy that buys the book and scans it for us ungrateful shits, he's promised us a scan so we will get it when we get it.

Is there any movement tray for 30k/40k? It's quite strenuous to move more than 60 models one by one.

>>51881226
Nothing official, google 40k movement try or whatever for some third party stuff.

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>TFW being lazy and spraying Retributor Gold for my Custode vehicles versus handpainting all that fucking gold

Why does this feel so smart.

>>51881256
Why_no_skirt_for_my_custodes.jpg

Any word yet on what the Misericorde is?

>>51881256
>Not painting everything in non-metallic gold

Are you even trying

Speaking about termies, how do anons feel about them getting to roll on other powers? Is losing that 3++ worth having chance of getting to abuse Biomancy buffs, getting precog or being invisible shriek platform? Would you get invu bonus and then opt to have 4+ to manifest those powers as usual? Or maybe you'd get Levitation and then try to fish for Invisibility knowing that you'll get Shriek for sure?

>>51881286
Supposedly Blighgrenade said on the last open day that it was something at some point during the rules development, but it was dropped. And they forgot to remove it from all the unit entries.

>>51881297
I thought Sekhmets can only choose from Telek or Pyro.

>>51881299
Just CCW pieces that always conferred an extra attack

Any good guides to giving a Phobos Land Raider a MkII or Armoured Phobos style hull guns?

>>51881308
That is the intention, but RAW they're still allowed to roll on other disciplines, because psykers with Legion : Thousand Sons are allowed to roll on all disciplines except malefic.

One could even make an argument that it allows special characters like Ahriman to roll on anything they like.

>>51881292
>non-metallic gold
you mean yellow?

Isn't here any real downside to assembling all my BaC/BoP special/Heavy weapons besides losing out on tac Marines?

>>51881308
>termies may pick from Pyro/Tele
>TSons may generate from everything but malefic

Inferno has some shitty written rules. Not to mention that RAW Sekhmets can get two powerfists for 5pts and still use a combi.

>>51881406
>Sekhmets can get two powerfists for 5pts
Not only 2 PFs, but one ON the other!

>>51878641
Plague doctor beak mask on raven guard.
Fucking genius.
bird/10

>>51881454
TS confirmed for three-armed mutants burning of prospero was justified magnus was wrong vlka fenryka 4 lyfe

>>51880192
White Scars likely had a few skulls also.

>>51881460
Nah, they just had the STC to the powerfistfist !

Need some advice for a new 30k player.

Friend wants to run a 30k Campaign, I'm representing Loyalists with another couple of guys.

I'm torn between Fists, Scars or a Shattered between the two.

He wants three lists, one standard, one for offensive deployment and one for defensive.

Can anyone offer any advice? I'm finding it hard to wrap my head around things.

>>51881534
Either legion can create those lists but I believe Fists can make them easier.

>standard
Do whatever.

>offensive
deep striking terminators, Templars, sniper vets and storm shields mean you have amazing offensive capabilities. Lots of rites of war synergise well with your legion rules and equipment.

>defensive
Use The Stone Gauntlet RoW and hide in cover while everyone with a shield gets +1T and your BS5 bolters and tank hunting heavy squads take everything out.

I have 20 Volkite chargers coming along with 2 sets of combi-weapons. My plan was to use the Volkite for 2 Terror squads, but then I remembered that terminators can use it, too. Should I use some of the Volkite on the terminators or just give them the combi-weapons?

>>51881579
Thank you.

Do you guys equip your Praetor with TDA or AA?

>>51881691
Magnets my midnight clad friend.

I learned earlier this week (due to running out of magnets) that you don't need a 2x1 mm magnet in each socket, instead a 1x1 mm magnet in the resin volkite and a 2x1 mm magnet in the arm is enough.

>>51881728

That seems like a it would take an unbelievable amount of time to do while taking a similar amount of time to set up in-between games.

>>51879728
Tech Marines are not independent characters though.
Meme list is shit meme.

>>51881765
Thunderhawks are superheavies you silly goose.

>>51879409
Good luck painting all that busy stuff well when it's put together already
> remembers where he is at
Never mind. Won't be an issue

>>51880960
>Shame noone actually uses Draykavac because he's pretty much objectively worse than Scoria, though.
EW + Vhodian Scepter at I5 was.a mistake

>>51881751
I magnetised 5 tartaros termis, 2 arms each + weapons for 6 magnets per termi for a total of 30 magnets, and all this took maybe 2 hours. And I sure as hell didn't work efficently.

Magnetising weapons is super simple, especially if you can use a 1 mm drill on the weapon. You should be able to do all 50 of the weapons in around 1,5 hours.

And did you just seriously claim that it would take lots of time to set up? It's magnets, not fucking screwing on a bolt. You can literally throw the models and the correct weapons into a box and shake for a bit and they should attach properly.

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>>51881315
This
>>51881286
They're knives

>>51881842
Luckily Lion will always hit and wound on 2s rerolling and force successful invulns to be rerolled and Sanguinius will be S:D to reclaim the top spot for the Primarchs.

>>51880391
You guessed correctly.

>>51881846

You convinced me, though I couldn't find any 1mm x 1mm. Do the 2x1s fit into the guns?

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>>51881858
Yeah, but that's not the solution, you know. Scoria happened when FW asked itself how would a non-primarch that could beat Sigismund would look like.
And Siggy would be a regular dude with an extra-choppy Paragon Blade if not for his Eternal Warrior.
Meanwhile, Siggy's supposed runner ups Khârn and Sevatar lack EW, and Sev even lacks AP2 or 2+ saves.
Meanwhile, Abby is in sergeant tier.

It's a fucking mess

>>51880192
Luna Wolves were known for sporting pelts and human skulls from worthy fights relatively early in the crusade, but the XVI's big thing was coating said skulls in gold, a tie over from their cthonian heritage

>>51881914
If you're located in the EU this where I tend to buy mine (you get pretty good prices if you buy in bulk).

https://www.supermagnete.de/eng/disc-magnets-neodymium

I know 2x1 mms fit in plastic hands for 40k marines, and the terminator combibolters/plasma blaster from BoP. Looking at my volkites they should fit, but it will be a tight fit so you probably want to drill an aiming hole using a 1x1 mm drill first.
1x1 holes are much quicker to drill too for that matter.

>>51881964
It's like GW history sped up. In the past special characters were just dudes with some rules for fluffy play and now you build your armies around them.

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>>51881914
>>51882023
Pic 1

>>51882039
God I fucking hate NamedCharacterHammer 40k. Who the fuck wanted this? Who thought this is a good idea?

>>51881964
Reminder that my space dad can beat up your space dad.

>>51882023
>>51882065

No, I'm in burger world, sadly. I ordered on ebay, and the only 1x1 is from china. I'd like to not wait until April.

How do we unshit Land Riders?

>can always move 12" in movement phase
>can Flat Out 6" but units that unload can't assault
>can Flat Out additional 6" but can't disembark and can only fire one weapons at full BS

Basically, focus on speed and transport in contrast to Spartan's tankiness and dakka.

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>>51881914
>>51882023
>>51882065
Figured I should show you the difference between plasma blaster with 2x1 mm and a volkite with 1x1 mm. The main problem with using a 2x1 mm in a resin volkite is the thinness that happens around the weapon grip, which means you will have to drill closer to the back of the hand than I did with my 1x1 mm. But it should be doable.

inb4 moldlines

>>51882083

I fucking hate it, too, yet I seem to always be in the minority.

>>51882099
8 Hull points, ignore the first destroyed or explodes result.

>>51882099
>LR
>fast
What.
Anyway, the way to fix them is give Phobos LRs 12 man transport.

DA here

I'm considering giving my dreads molecular acid shells up for a plasma cannon. I love the cool of acid shells on paper but I've never seen them in action.

What are your opinion?

>>51882083
Same people who think playing 30k without primarchs is pointless?

>>51882128
Fucking this. Would solve 99.99% of the problems associated with the damn thing. Unable to carry a squad and an IC in a LR is retarded fuck.

Also, give Prometheus rules, FW. You put it in the pictures, so clearly you think it's 30k material. Give us Prometheus and make it not shit. Give it Crusader transport capacity with the ability to take Proteus augury web (seeing that in the fluff the room left over from dumping the hull gun and laser generators was filled with sensors and communications equipment).

>>51882099
fuck that

>4+ reinforced save against all damage
>cannot explode
>haywire does nothing
>IWND
>if it rams a spartan the spartan immediately gets removed from the table

>>51882134
Acid shells are best when spammed, which a dread can't really do. They're good on heavy support or jetbikes, and thats it. Plasma Cannon is suitably DAngel, but gets hot is a bitch. I prefer lascannons for my backfield and assault cannon/chainfist for those at the front

>>51882039
God this. Was drafting some IH lists recently, and don't usually like special characters, but Mor and Orth are so good it's really hard to resist the temptation to stick them in.

>>51882175
>if it rams a spartan the spartan immediately gets removed from the table along with it's contents
FIFY

>>51882195
>if it rams a spartan spartan's owner has to immidiatly smash it with a hammer

FTFY

>>51881842
To be fair, no-one used him before Scoria came out either. A regular Archmagos with a trait for Knights, decent melee and a super-Smash isn't brilliant compared to an Archimandrite or a kitted out Archmagos with a Paragon Blade and an actual helpful Arcana. Personally I think if he needs any balancing at all, make the Sceptre a 50 or 60pt upgrade, so he's on the right cost tier. It's not the killing Primarchs thing, it's that he does it for cheap, and that makes deathstar players sad and costs them in Spartan sales.

>>51881964

Yeah, but the proliferation of characters like that was mostly the reason for all the generics, there's this idiotic notion that proficiency in herohammer mathhammer fights is all that matters. I was doing the maths here when Inferno came out, and frankly it's far easier to just shoot them.

>>51881858

Well, honestly it's not the damage output that needs to be changed on Primarchs, it's that they're being made impossible to hurt. Primarchs were in a nice spot prior to Inferno, they were powerful buffers and challenge monsters that ate points and could be handled if you were smart. Now they're just becoming mandatory sledgehammers. Not even Scoria is like that, Mechanicum can deal just fine without him.

>>51882039

I was never here for most of that, I wish I had been. My army currently includes no named characters and I often get asked why Satarael or Scoria aren't around, and the answer is that this is a Taghmata fleet that doesn't include a Cybernetica Magos from the other end of the galaxy who is currently in prison. Running into Typhon, Morturg and Mortarion at once only makes sense if it's pre-Crusade Apoc, not 2k.

>>51882181
I was going to take a talon of 3 boxdreads with them but you're right. I have a game today trying out ironwing and I'm just doing some last minute tinkering.

>>51882231
You could exchange all their ccw arms for additional heavy bolters on all of them.

I'd consider that a spam.

>>51882231
Oh, for ironwing you've got tank hunters so Heavy bolters should probs be dodged because tank hunter dreads are amazing. Otherwise you're paying nearly 400 points for a team of six HBolters that gain nothing from your Rite. Consider either CC dudes with at least a chainfist, or backline units with dual lascannons. Oddly enough, plasma cannons become one of the more versatile options with Tank Hunters, since they can threaten both heavy infantry and light/medium vehicles.

>>51882207
>if it rams a spartan spartan's owner's parents have to immidiatly smash him with a hammer
FTFY

>>51882283
Thanks for the input

>>51882231

Here
>>51882283
Your dreads also get fear so go CC. If armored ceramite isn't in your local meta get twin-linked melta guns and charge what's ever inside.

To bad they're only box dreads, contemptors would smash fuck and might actually make it into combat

>>51882296
>if it rams a spartan the spartans owner's parents are immediately divorced, and one must then travel back in time to make sure the spartan's owner was never actually born, in addition to this, everyone in the FLGS will stand up and applaud you

I know the answer is less than a week away with the release of Inferno, but how would you model and paint Hetaeren?

>>51882500
But anon, Inferno is realised today.

>>51882500
Greenstuff some eagles on the armour.
Give them some cloaks.

>>51882500
Give them the wings from the sanguinary guard box.

>>51882500
Badly, and with unthinned paints.

But if I wasn't a chucklefuck, I'd paint them with purple cloaks, rather than red.
>muh praetorian gourd

>>51882039
I play TS and building an army not using Ahriman or Amon feels like shooting yourself in the foot points wise with Ahriman being Lv. 4 or Amon being cheaper than a naked Lv. 3 praetor.

>>51882601
>Amon being cheaper than a naked Lv. 3 praetor.
Wow.

>>51881857
What a waste. If they were AP3 knives like the 40k version or maybe powerdaggers, there'd actually be use in the Sagittarum.

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>>51882500
Praetorian it up.

I bet this thread gets this question all the fucking time but: What Legion can I build best using only the plastic stuff from BaC/BoP?

>>51882797
The one you like the most.

Captain Helpful, away!

>>51880057
Galactic Partrages?

>>51882816

You get your ass back here, Captain Helpful, and live up to your damn name!

>>51882797
World Eaters, Imperial Fists, Death Guard, really any infantry based army.

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>>51882023
Not the guy asking, but this will come in handy, thanks.

>>51882797
It's a better question to ask which ones CAN'T.
It's mostly a question of whether bolter tactical or veteran tactical squads are or are not an optimal build for your legion's troops.
There's a handful of legions for whom assault squads are better than tactical squads as troops, but you can play Pride of the Legion and that basically makes ground-based shooty marines worthwhile for everyone.

World Eaters are the only ones who present a bit of a problem, because it's very difficult or expensive to make their optimal troop build (chainaxe blobs) with the Calth box.

>>51882846
>sticking a power sword in a unit of chainfists
What were they thinking?

>>51882797
All legions can be physically built using BaC and BoP and while some legions favour infantry heavy lists over others all legions can run an effective infantry list.

Since the answer is basically any of them which legions do you like? Are you attracted to a certain play style?

>>51882932

My top 3 (not in any order, really) are Iron Warriors, Blood Angels and Emperor's Childrens.

>>51882846
Me gusta.

I've been looking forward to these in order to convert the shields for that Space Marine starter box Termie praetor, and a spare for any other termie character I want in future.
If you make an optimal unit of IF Cataphractii, you get 3++ on the majority of the unit and 2 assault cannons in the back. Pretty good IMO.

>3++/5+++ T5 cataphractii with 8 rending S6 shots and hammer of wrath

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So of course the only custodes model I'm excited for is this fuck and maybe the terminators... So what do we think his weapons are gonna be?

>>51883104
Think he's got the caladius's 420 cannon on his right arm.

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Does FW use the "use the base the model came with" rule?

>>51883143
I think the whole game does, what cheese are you considering?

>>51883161
Didn't the pic answer that question?

>>51883188
Genestealer cults don't exist in 30k.

>>51883143
>Does FW use the "use the base the model came with" rule?
I think there's leeway, if you want to make your own scenic bases roughly the same size, or have square-based ex-fantasy models, they work. And of course old models that came with 25mm would be recommended to have 32mm nowadays, but can work with 25mm.
Do what you feel is necessary to make a good model without gaming the system by making the bases too big or too small.

>>51883161
He's the anon who wants to use the Rogue Trader Leman Russ instead of Forge World's Leman Russ.

In this case, I'd actually recommend making a scenic base as wide as FW's Leman Russ, with some kind of thing for him to stand on to make him as tall as FW's Leman Russ. Making LR a much smaller target for ranged fire, and take up less space in melee, is definitely gaming the system.

Inferno PDF when?

>>51883140
I could also see it being the laser weapon the one elite dreadnought gets with his spear, but do we think that missile rack he has is gonna be a blast or a sky fire weapon. Could see that wrist mounted weapon being one of the bolt cannons

>>51883239
Right now, we have no Inferno PDF.
In the future we will have an Inferno PDF.
The benevolent and everliving scanon will provide one in between those two times, now shut up and appreciate that.

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Illiastus looking mighty fine, but at 2 for 10 pounds, I think most people will stick with the rotor cannons at 5 for 13 pounds for a counts-as job.

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>>51883215
Old Russ himself seems to work on a 40mm scenic base just fine. It's the wolves that worry me, since the FW ones are on 90mm ovals. The old ones wouldn't even fill a 40mm base well. Then again, there's always the humor of a little pupper on a majestic scenic base rippin' and tearin'.

>the anon

There's more than one? I just happened to come across the old models for like £20 and thought "what the hell, for fun if nothing else." I don't have a Spartan or anything, so either he's sharing his transport with only a few dudes or he'll walk the walk.

So does Ixion Hale have rules, or is he just a fancy pants event model?

>>51883328
Or just get come 40k ACs and do a little cutting and gluing. Luckily it's not a problem for Indomitus and Tartaros users.

>>51875768

For those who ordered with z, how do I handle missing pieces? Parts of my fellblade, like the dome, were missing. I emailed him and he said he'd deal with replacement of parts. Problem is, that was 3 days before Chinese new year. I've had no response since. When is it okay to mail him again? I know chink etiquette is weird on this sort of thing.

>>51880057
Thousand Sons

With all this Magnus wank, how does good old decimator perty hold up in primarch game?

how rage inducing would it be to have these three guys as the apothecaries for my tactical blobs?
I really do like the models, I personally find the legion apothecarys look kinda silly, and the idea of normal humans fixing up the mighty sphess mehreens I think is kinda cool
I'd base them in 32mm and I guess you could fluff their hardiness as having some kinda force feild

>>51883340
>There's more than one?
I don't know. I presumed it was just you. You would know if there were others posting about it here.

>>51883533
Strong but slow.
He can bully the DYEL/manlet primarchs but against confirmed duelists, he's iffy.

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>>51883588

>>51883588
>>51883607
Absolutely disgusting.

>>51883533
When using the hammer he statistically loses to Horus, Angron, Guilliman, Russ, buffed Lorgar and buffed Magnus.

When using his fists he loses to Vulkan and Fulgrim and maybe Corax and Curze if they both manage to pull off hit and run successfully.

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>>51880189
>pigeon

>>51881162
>caring about TT power instead of looks

>>51883668
>fat bastard that can't catch anything, slowly trudging around swinging his dumbass club
>"looks"

Can SoS and Custodes be taken in the same army or do they have to ally in?

>>51883588
Having medics more fragile than the dudes they're suppose to patch up going with them kinda defeats the whole purpose of bringing them. Unless the marines would spend considerable effort keeping them alive and making sure the humans can keep up with them, the medics would be the first casualties most of the time.
The whole point of apothecaries is that they can keep up with the marines and go where ever they go, and don't waste room in transport vehicles with somebody without the same combat capability.

You migh as well model all your marines with two arms tied behind their back. It's just dumb.

>>51883716
they are both parts of the talons of the emporer army
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Talons_of_the_Emperor_(30k)#Dedicated_Transports

>>51883588
>>51883607
Probably unfluffy, but it's Your Dudes.

>>51883143
>>51883215


I would say that it would be best to do some proper scenic bases for them, Russ especially, since the Armour Elevegar or whatever it's called works on models in base contact, so you'll be buffing yourself against shooting with a small profile and gimping yourself in melee, not that he needs it. As it affects most of the situations he'll be in more than say, an Archmagos, I'd say you should get a decent approximation. Do use some of the room for giving the Wolves some chew toys :).

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>>51883668
If he cared about looks he would use this instead of some shitty club.

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If BA and IF can't use it, who can?

>>51883724
Let me hop in this reply chain and forge the narrative real quick.


Skitarii-augmented solar auxiliaries have accompanied the legionaries through thick and thin. Having earned their respect, a few auxilia have been inducted directly into the Legion's service--namely a few Biologist techpriests who now aid the under-strength Apothecarion.

>>51883819
D'oh!

>>51883819
Jesus, they have to be doing this deliberately now.

>>51883819
Ok, the spelling errors are getting out of hand. You should also check the warhammer community article about Thousand Sons in Inferno, which claims : "Even the most basic of their warriors have latest psychic powers"
No idea what latest psychic powers are, but as it turns out all TS have them.

For a big company as GW is this is rediculus. It makes them look like some kickstarter just beginning bunch of amatures.

>>51883880
>he doesn't keep up with the newest empyrean fashions
Look at this man, look at him and laugh.

>>51883607
As long as they're correctly based and slightly converted I'd be cool with it. I was looking for some Biologis Tech-priest Enginseers, as well as one to be my Force Commander and those are about perfect, so thanks for the inadvertent help.

Not sure about the exact statline of an Apothecary, but I would suspect you'd need to add a little extra armour. At the moment it may be fluffy, but it would feel no more like a proxy than a conversion, of that makes sense. Add some more armour and maybe a chain/power sword or whatever they have and it's all good.

>>51883880
Spelling errors seem to be rife in all GW literature, some of the fantasy army books were absurd, like reading a GCSE paper or something.

>>51883792
My primus medicae will have one of those, don't worry.

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>>51883995
forgot pic

>>51883790
>Do use some of the room for giving the Wolves some chew toys.

Time to chop up some spare marine and zombie bits and paint them in TS colours.

>>51884018
Is that his weapon, or medical equipment.

>>51884018
> dafuq happened to you brother?

>>51884077
Weapon, I will replace the grave warden fist with a terminator apothecary arm once the rest of the bits arrive and put the axe hand on there.

>>51884018
Looks nice. Grave Warden conversion?

>>51884092
>terminator apothecary arm
Those aren't out for cataphractii are they?
I'm using a chainfist and putting some (partly third party) gubbinz on it to make it look like a thingamabobs.

>>51884107
A plastic one. Or I could just chop up the fist a bit and glue on the axe and some bits to make a narthecium. Maybe that would look even better.

>>51878954
Tell me again how much you payed for those 5 mk II armour space marines who just a year ago didnt come with any weapons ?

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>>51884018
>>51884077

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there any helmets out there that look like this one?
im asking for my poor siggy with his awesome model but shitty head

>>51884163
Champion helmet in the plastic command squad box.

>>51883819
Holy shit even outside books, FW?!

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>>51884163
Imperial Fists command

>>51884163
The Templar upgrade set, or the Fists command set.

AL newfag here:

What is your experience using Skorr and/or Exodus? Any tips or tactics worth mentioning?

>>51884237
exodus is a lot of fun, but keep him on his own, the squad he can join only slows him down
basically treat him like a vindicare, you dont need to have quite as much of a heart attack if something shoots him thanks to astartes toughness and IWND, so move him to another piece of cover and carry on

>>51884237
Dont use Exodus.

>>51884291
>>51884295
would you two just kiss already!

>>51884237
skorr is an autotake just for the pick warlord trait when you're not using dynat. exodus is considered subpar, but can be fun as long as you dont expect anything from him.

>>51883819
Where did you find this?

>>51884403
in my email

>>51884291
Thanks, was wondering how cheapo the recce squad needed to be. Now it's free because they don't are needed.

>>51884295
Why?

>>51884389
Ok, I guess that's why. Thx. I like concept of the character, and being a stealthy annoying sniper. I'll take it for the funz.

>>51883819
>IF can't use it
>pic showing IF using it

>>51884420
the problem is that he can't do his job of deleting sergeants and characters, because his shots lack the AP to do anything. you're basically fishing for 5+ to hit, and him failing his armor save. and if its a consul or decked out sergeant you're looking at him doing this 2~3 times to make his points back. he becomes a lot meaner against stuff like veteran squads where he can fish out special weapons for fun; more or less just point him towards the most expensive plebs on the field and go fishing for special weapons.

>>51884420
>Why?
Anything you want to kill will have a 2+ save

are there any good squads that rogal can go with?
Im already thinking of a siggy and templar deathstar, and i want to use my elites for rapiers and dreads
im honestly thinking of just putting him with a tactical blob

>>51884599
Ten man squad of tartarus terminators with storm-shields.

>>51884681
> tartarus
REEEEEEEEEEE
yea makes a lot of sence, ill go with that

>>51884599
>are there any good squads that rogal can go with?
Termies with storm shields, primus medicae, and two assault cannons for dakka.

Some say Phalanx Warders are a decent choice, but honestly terminator vs terminator combat is its own game, and you would probably be better off with 10 3++ than with 20 5++, it's a difficult equation IMO.

>>51884735
Considering Dorn has rampage, a small squad is going to be better.

>>51884389
>>51884469
>>51884528

So is this ok or not?

Vigilator 85
Delegatus 65
Exodus 115

C-mortis 2 Kheres 180
D-Mortis 2 RAC 135
D-Mortis 2 ML 155
5x5 Sniper Vets w/HB, nuncio, MB 135
5 Seekers, MB 160

Scorpius 115
Leaviathan Deathblossom 315

Sharp 2000

Not Skorr but I think it can be fun (can swap exodus for another scorpius to make more friends)

>>51884772
>giving your HQs zero gear
No.

>>51884772
what place do you come from with all these fun abbreviations.
drop the vigilator, give your delegatus some stuff, probably turn one of the vet squads into a melee blob to hang with the delegatus, you have like no AT worth its name, (guessing deathblossom means akan+missile launcher) maybe change one of the vet squads to a machine destroyer 10 man squad with ML's. so you have no at, no bodies to hold objectives or fight of deathguard inf blobs. but I guess it could be fun.

>>51884809
Why, yes, almost no AT if that means dealing with AV14, everything else I guess that can be glanced to death with the dreadnoughts.

RAC= twin-linked autocannon
ML= Missile Launcher (twin linked in the mortis dreadnought)
MB=Melta bomb
HB=Heavy bolter

Deathblossom: 2 Storm cannons (heavy 6, S7, AP 3, sunder), 2 twin-linked volkite caliver, phosphex launcher.

Blobs will be shoot by the sniper veterans, seeker squad and everything I can (like, the scorpius (S8 AP 3, small blast, heavy 1+1D3 if don't move)

The Delegatus is just there to unlock Veterans as troops, he don't need any gear, and the vigilator is also another seeker with a sabotage fun attack.

>>51884901
guess it goes to show that no one should shitpost with a fever, somehow missed that you had a scorpius completely and read the deathblossom as a deredeo :^)

looks good then I guess, a bit concerned for your vet squads only being five man anyway, they disappear pretty fast. and AL have a very nice ability to put huge blobs close to the enemy - but you do you anon :^)