/CofD/ &/CwoDg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

More like ants edition.

SECOND FOR MAGE SUPREMACY

>>51855257
>>51855016

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Cover art for the new Sweden based CofD adventures.

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Why can't Spirit Magic affect ghosts?

When was the human spirit replaced with the human ghost?

>>51855359
Do not associate my national symbol with this shit.

>>51855424
In Chronicles of Darkness

>>51855447
Write a letter to OPP and ask them to pick another cucked country.

>>51855496

OPP didn't make the Mage Prelude, White Wolf did.

I was gonna say that White Wolf should have just bought OPP because it's clear the confusion will never, ever cease, but on second thought, nah.

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>>51855484
That means humans don't have spirits or souls, they have ghosts.

And Death mages can manipulate the ghosts of still living people for ultimate control.

>>51855484

I think you mean the Chronicles of Fagness, good Anon.

>>51855424

Humans don't have Spirits in the Arcana sense. They have Souls, which are more like spiritual organs than the traditional religious sense of the term.

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>>51855354
Are you lost?

>>51855424
>>51855533


Spirits aren't undead/dead entities.

Ghosts are echoes of the former living.

Souls are something else entirely.

>>51855533
What? No. Ghosts have nothing to do with humans when they are alive. The left over bits are at mots a reflection, not the person. You don't get a ghost by removing a soul.

>>51855533
They do have souls, which are also under Death.

>>51855563
Technically human souls are made up of Death, Fate, Mind, Prime, and Spirit, it's just that humans don't have actual spirits and they have ghosts. Also ghosts are not souls.

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>>51855563
>Spirit magic can affect every spirit of a nonsentient creature

>Death magic can affect the spirit of sentient creatures [humans, dolphins, chimps, and whales]

>>51855625
That's not how death works.

>>51855625
Animals have spirits, you can affect a dog spirit with the Spirit arcana
Animals do not have ghosts
I honestly don't remember if Animals have souls

>>51855570
Since we're asking the same question again, I just linked to the answer. >>51855257

>>51855625
Souls aren't spirits.

Dave, if you're around, how compatible would you say that the recently re-released Mage the Awakening Tarot deck is with Mage 2e? I'll probably end up getting it anyways but I figure I'd ask.

>>51855666
>Animals have souls
nope
>Animals have spirits
They do, but these spirits aren't tied to any physical animal and are just spirits independent of the animal, not some personal spirit of it.
>Animals have spirits, you can affect a dog spirit with the Spirit arcana
No, you can't.

>>51855767
Wait there is a new tarot deck on sale? Link?

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>>51855591
Where does the reflection come from? Is this reflection like the reflection of the shadow? I thought all spirits were the reflection of the real world.

Why should human spirits be any different?

>>51855604
Don't animals have souls?

>>51855607
Where's Matter and Time? What I was hoping was there was a bare minimum of arcana required to make a mage waifu and those are Life and Spirit.

Conflicted as to which spirit would be best wife material for my character, or okay with being trapped in a physical shell.

>>51855666
Trips of the Beast, Beast is now your favorite splat. Fate has decided.

If humans leave a reflection in the material world, wouldn't animals?

>>51855771
>No, you can't.
"Spirit’s purview is the Shadow Realm and its denizens, the spirits." - Mage the Awakening 2E, page 179

>>51855834
Animal spirits have nothing to do with actual animals.
There are animal spirits
There are animals
They are no the same thing and one does not come from the other in anything but a conceptual sense.
Its now clear you are actually retarded, I hope this conversation passes soon.

>>51855424
What the fuck is even Spirits, I mean what the hell can I do with Spirits

Why is Spirits of the primary arcanae of the Scelesti

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>>51855997
Spirit is the lowkey OG arcanum. They could overthrow any other mage, but they'd rather hang out under waterfalls and the deserts.

>>51856006
>That picture
Why

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>>51856067
2 souls 1 body what's confusing? Animals have 2 or 3 souls according to Cuckholdy of Darkness writing.

1 The Dog's soul
2 The Dog's Spirit
3. The Dog's Ghost

>>51856167
I only see one soul in that list.

>>51856056
But what does it do

If all the gamelines had a dance off.

Who would win?

Just curious.

>>51856167
>1 The Dog's soul
>2 The Dog's Spirit
>3. The Dog's Ghost
Dogs have literally none of these things.

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>>51856220
If you ask me dogs are the best

>>51856244
Dog people are just as bad as the fucking Were-yiffers

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>>51856265
>Posting from Sweden

You have to go back, Achmed. Muslims don't have souls.

https://blog.white-wolf.com/2017/02/22/breathing-the-same-shadow/

Zak S. more or less confirmed for 5e writer, just like I figured.

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>>51856220
>There are no canines in the shadow

Guess no one told the werewolves.

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>>51856265
Do you really want to hurt me

>>51856220
Dogs have spirits and can, technically, make ghosts. Its just very rare for them to be able to make a ghost.

>>51856362
>We have said repeatedly that our games will examine contemporary issues through the lens of the World of Darkness, and we do not plan to shy away from this vision.

>this meme again

For fuck's sake how many times must it be said that you can't do biting social commentary in a fucking fantasy game, because you can stretch an allegory only so far until it gets silly in universe?

>>51856443
>you can stretch an allegory only so far until it gets silly in universe?

>Not loving this about oWoD
Have you ever even played these games?

>>51856460
>wanting that shit stuffed in your face

Yes we know that the guys who wrote oWoD were going over some issues but it was shit even then, let alone now.

How are you going to write about class struggles when in Vampire the only way you can move upward is by eating the rich?

>>51856519
>only way you can move upward is by eating the rich?
Isn't this how it works in real life too though?

>>51856533
In real life if you manage to reach the top everyone's licking your ass.

Here, just being suspected of diablerie is going to get you killed

>>51856443

The man thinks that reviving oWoD will literally save the world and end international conflict, he's not going to back down from that.

>>51856672
He's going to fail spectacularly.

>>51856672
>TFW swedracula ends world hunger

>>51856672
I believe in Dracula

>>51856362
>Naturally, she will not be the last transgender character in a White Wolf game, as we continue work with designers, writers and artists from a wide range of backgrounds.

Hey assholes, ever heard of Sascha Vykos? Oh but wait, he's evil, and we can't have that!

>>51856443
>>51856672

It's not even that, this is a strawman. The new Mage game did it with a passing grade just about, making it an issue for Mages because of other traditions encroaching, with a sprinkling on the human suffering.

In comparison, We Eat Blood just used social issues as easy drama, and certain characters as a soap box.

Mage had the characters and factions existing in and dealing with an issue that will be in the history books. Vampire just tried to overlay social issues over existing concepts and factions, made it's characters stereotypes and strawmen.

One of these was immersive and drew me into the universe. Another did not.

>>51856432
Only humans can make ghosts. Only humans have souls. Only humans don't have associated spirits.

>>51856217
Grab CofD core.

Read the sample numina.

Read about influences.

Between the two, a Spirit mage can do almost anything. They can mimic any other Arcana and create effects without any risk of Paradox because the Spirit is creating the supernatural effect, not you.

They can even raise the dead better than Death or Life mages can, using healing spirits with the resurrection numina.

Spirit magic is the best. It'll just make your ST hate you since they have to stat up a whole other dimension of NPCs just for you.

>>51855424
>>51855577

Sorry sonny, but look at what it says in MtAw p 250

>Restore Lost Soul (Spirit •••) The mage can restore a severed or stolen soul. A mage with Death 3 can sever a soul (see “Sever the Sleeping Soul,” p. 141), and certain spirits have powers that allow them to steal souls.

Spirit mages mess with souls just as much as Death spells.

Ghosts and Spirits might as well be the same thing.

Ghosts aren't souls. They're a SJW's attempt at theology after a college religion class 101

>>51856763
>Oh but wait, he's evil, and we can't have that!
Of course not, WoD isn't about realism after all!

>>51856817

I actually really enjoyed that one of my Mage players went hard on Spirit cause it was like making a Spooky Toontown.

>>51856839
You seem to be talking about 1e while everyone else in the thread is talking 2e.

>>51856839
>Ghosts and Spirits might as well be the same thing.

Except they're not.

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Guys, I'm trying to mod an World of Darkness theme to Fallout. I'm also trying to work out what games work best for each splat.

I'm thinking Demon for FO3, due to the Biblical themes, and potential for evil choices.

For New Vegas, I'm thinking Vampire, due to the human condition and civilization being such a large theme. And surviving a double tap to the head.

FO4 is a little more difficult. Boston being so urban, it lends itself to a Vampire again. But there is an element of supernatural, and people having modded in magic, that it's pretty temping to play a Mage.

>>51856893

Not him, but the big changes between editions, oWoD and CofD both, really piss me off. I like consistency, so fixing stuff and expanding is fine, but outright rewriting and changing stuff triggers me.

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>>51856217
Adding to >>51856817

You can forcibly take a target out of a group and put him in the shadow where you can 1v1 him. He won't be able to see clearly in the shadow.

You can strengthen the gauntlet so he and his friends can't help each other.

You can steal souls at 2 dots.
You can make spirits possess your enemies.
You create fetishes AND you have spirit allies.

Spirits can't be seen in reality and can attack from their side of the Shadow.

And at five dots you can create your own spirit, which with rituals you can create a mean thing with lots of dots in hand picked numina.

You can attempt to call and bribe whichever spirit and then bind it to you.

You can conjure "Shadows" which is never explained in the book, but it could just be Actual human ghosts and put them into bodies of your own devising.

And then you cast Spirit Court and become a minor Lord and live in a Spirited Away bath house and basically in the Shadow you have the benefit of several arcana's wrapped in one.

Stock up on fetishes and allies and blast him to death or send your invisible hit man squad to eviscerate him in his house.

Vampires have absolutely no defense against Spirit Magic.

>>51856989
>triggered

Oh shut up and crawl back into your safe space

>>51857048

I was being cute, numbnuts.

What the hell were the shadows described in >Shadow Slave ( Spirit ••••• + Death •••) This gruesome spell infuses conjured shadows (using the Death Arcanum) with an animating spirit, a soul spun of ephemera, and binds the grim creation to the caster’s will. Some mages choose to stuff a corpse with these oozing shadows, animating the inert flesh with living darkness, while others use no crude mortal shell to contain the roil- ing blackness.

>>51856893
Only a small pdf of errata connects the two. 1e Mages are where its at.

>>51857043
>>51856817

In MtAw 2e, a mage with access to Channel Essence and a Familiar has infinite mana. It's even easier once you can create your own Essence; no need to rely on finding/changing Resonance.

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>>51856893
Sorry sweetie but the original Spirit poster was me, and I was talking 1e.

Will I miss a lot if I buy the First Edition of Mage (oWoD) Instead of the second one? What about the Revised edition?

>>51857122
1e: Super pulpy high-scale game about punching reality in the dick

Revised: Super pulpy high-scale game about punching reality in the dick, which has been neutered in a few places to try desperately to make the game more street level, with middling success.

20th Anniversary Edition: A ton of material in the PDF, but it mutilates a lot of core concepts and factions.

>>51857122

2e and Revised is best. Even better if you lace it with a sprinkle of M20.

>>51857114
No anon don't tempt me~
How does your familiar get his Essence back? Is there really no limit for Essence exchanged in this way?

Magefags are the fucking pinnacle of the stereotypical tabletop wizard.

All you morons care about is shoving your penises of power in any crevice you can find.

Grow up.

>>51857203
Vampfags are the fucking pinnacle of stereotypical tabletop goth.

All you morons care about is shoving your fangs of power in any crevice you can find.

Become a lawn chair.

>>51857152
>>51857153
This. Take the good bits of M20 sprinkled in. Srsly. How did you do that is a fucking travesty because basic, one-sphere rotes should have been in the core book as they were in the previous three editions.

>>51857122
You'll enjoy the game more by getting 1e and then downloading the free errata of WW, and keep your rituals. 1e is already compatible with the other nWoD splats.

>>51857227
He's talking about Ascension.

>>51856358
>that pic
>Implying the Bible says anything different

>>51857260
>implying the argument isn't that the liberal is having double standards.

>>51857219
That literally doesn't make any sense you dumb magefag

>>51857203
I am a mage and a wizard irl

>>51857166
>How does your familiar get his Essence back?
This is what Channel Essence is for. Spirits are limited in how much they take from Resonance and have to risk their lives to steal from other Spirits. Channel Essence has no such limits.

Fill up your pattern with Essence from X Resonance using Channel Essence.

Give the Essence you gathered to your X Spirit familiar.

Familiar uses the intrinsic ability of the Familiar Condition to convert Essence into Mana and give it to you.

>>51857227
oWoD you blind faggot, did a Mage curse your eyes?

>>51857308
I bet you get a lot of pussy irl

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>>51856006
A fellow /k/ommando, I see.

>>51857219
>M-MY PRETEND MAGE BEATING THIS PRETEND ENEMY W-WILL GET BACK AT CHAD FOR BULLYING ME

>>51857152
>>51857153
Two post two completely opposite opinions. May I ask for more please?

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>>51857257
Did they revise 2e? Did M20 make the magic in ascension more streamline?

>>51857122

1e has better spell rote suggestions for some of the spheres. Life and spirit were boned in scope of power back then.

Combine them all anon. WoD is headed for monster mash splat. Convert your Ascension into 2e.
I live in the hills.

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>>51857346
It was a time mage. I only see what was.

>>51857349
I do irl

>>51857372
Is this vampy's last line of defense? Laughable

>>51856968
I suppose you could argue for werewolf if we count some of the DLCs. (Lonesome Road and Honest Hearts)

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>>51856968
>FO3
>FO4

>>51857458
Not an argument, buddy. Maybe someday Stacy will look at you and Chad will apologize for stuffing you in your locker, don't worry.

>>51857572
I feel like it's the other way around.
Poor vampfags.

>>51857346
desu one of you tards told me nWoD had a 2e

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>>51857572

Mage was a mistake

>>51857693
Vampfags aren't the ones that hilariously bad power fantasies friend :^)

>>51858096
> hilariously bad power fantasies
Vampires can murderrapekill any person with out consequence. Its a pretty big power fantasy.

>>51858096
>>51858123

Yes, but can mages turn their buttholes into lawn chairs?

The answer is yes.

>>51858123

And all the other splats can't?

Mages have the most ways and easiest time killing normies. What the fuck are you smoking?

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>>51856789
Sounds like some SJW talk so that Death Mages have something to do other than be the cuckiest Arcanum since Entropy.

>>51858096
They have just as much capacity for it as Mages do.

Maybe more.

>>51858123
>he doesn't know the lore yet still eats shit

Indiscriminate murder is going to get a blood hunt called on your ass

>>51858152

oh wow now we're in full delusion.

Sorry champ, you can't have MAGE SUPREMACY and also whine that its also more difficult and unloved unlike Vampire which it is blatantly, with empirical data and evidence, superior to in every way possible.

>>51858085
Mage was the best thing ever

>>51858152

Keep dreaming, vampfag.

>>51858177

>was

Keyword.

>>51858152
Vampires are weak to sunlight and fire, as well as each clan having their curse, not to mention having to uphold the Masquerade.

Don't know what shit you're smoking but I def want some

inb4 someone mentions paradox being mage kryptonite when it really isn't.

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>>51858146
>haha my dear your neck is looking scrumptious
>unnecesarrily long description of a neckbeard talking about drinking virgin blood
>Virgoos sanguinus in my tummy, a yummer yummy.
>now I can fight those gun wielders, who only deal bashing damage to me cuz Im too cool to be alive

>>51858187
And will be again.

>>51858248
#MakeAscensionGreatAgain

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>>51858152
Only a Vampfag is going to be biased enough to believe that the Kindred can somehow potentially equal the maximum theoretical Archmage.

kek

>>51858221

People have trouble obviating problems with paradox? I guess if they're bad players..

magefags ruin everything they touch

even the fucking internet

>>51858221
>they don't weaponize their paradox
what a bunch of maroons

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>>51858339
>Bitter vampy becomes cuckholded in his own fantasy
>Sexuality questioned

>>51858339

>A Virtual Adept did it

>>51858367
Shoo

Go away, Mage whore

>>51858376

I have always hated the Virtual Adepts, and wish the Sons of Ether just stuck to the Technocracy. Both fit in there better. Maybe if they were part of a Technocrat civil war splinter faction who only tolerated the Traditions insofar as they can use them as Cat's Paws to attack the Technocracy?

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>>51858299

Aren't the Antediluvians relatively comparable to Archmages though?

>>51858577
No, and their rise would likely stop the consensus from tearing apart Archmages as well.

>>51858577
lmaooo this again

>>51858577

I know you're shitposting.

I just can't explain it guys, I'm magic and I know it it's awesome

D&D? Wizard
WoD? Mage
Shadowrun? Mage

It's perfect, it just makes sense that I'm supreme in everything

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>>51858400
>Vampy dreads coming home to his naked vamp wife and finding resonance all over her tits and bed.
>When she turns to get dressed that's when you see it.
>Some mage spanked a magic rune into her ass.

>>51858228

>haha my dear your firm looks pernicious
>unnecessarily long description of a neckbeard talking about how hard it is to be a hero with a monstrous nature
>wyrmicious impergium in my packy, a slaughter slaughty
>now I can fight those gun wielders, who deal regular damage but I regen like crazy cuz Im too cool to be homid

>haha my dear your reality is looking conceited
>unnecessarily long description of a neckbeard talking about the dangers of having too much power
>paradox in my subjectivity, a troublesome trouble
>now I can fight those gun wielders, who only deal damage to themself cuz they were trying to unjam their obviously faulty weapons coz Im too cool to be shot at.

>>51858647

>It's perfect, it just makes sense that I'm supreme in everything

Except life, apparently.

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>>51858455
>Hating the Sons of Ether
>Literally the best faction

>>51858674
>magic rune translates to "slut"

>>51858577
Depends if archmages are bound by paradox or not.

I personally don't know so I'm keeping my mouth shut.

>>51858734
Antediluvians can barely effect planetary scale, while Archmages can literally create their own realities. Paradox is practically speaking no obstacle to them.

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>>51858677
What do beasts even do in their games?

>>51858734
There is not need to compare raw power, vampires will just make you do whatever they want and you will believe that was your idea, while they just planned everything 300 years ago.

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>>51858680
>not good at life
Nope, Thyrsus.

>>51858772
>Implying Domination is even on the same plane of existence as the Sphere of Mind.

Combine with Time and Correspondence and you can literally put thoughts into the vampire's subconscious back when he was a baby that make him obey keywords that make him suck your wizard dick.

>>51858772
>Implying an Archmage doesn't already know of your plan

>Or just doesn't even care

>>51858795
So literally temporis and dominate?

>implying implications

>>51858832
Nope. Those are far weaker.

>>51858863
Temporis only goes to dot 9, we don't know how powerful dot 10 plot device is

>>51858885
You're thinking of the Archspheres. 10 dot Disciplines have been defined and exemplified for a long time.

The Archspheres have always been more of a plot-device compared to the Disciplines.

>>51858916
Only Temporis literally hasn't been, since it wasn't featured in Gehenna

>>51858885

We already know what Disciplines do at 10

They never listed 10 dot Spheres, yet they still outstrip anything an Antediluvian can accomplish. Forces 7 is already on the same tier as Protean 10. Entropy 7 can affect the entire universe and species.

>>51858863
>Brujah just goes from 2000 to Enoch times on daily basis for shit and giggles (Something like 7000 years of time travel)
>You can literally overwrite your conscience on a mage, or control everybody from everywhere in the world, even more than one person to do your bidding, while you drink some delicious blood from your cup
>Those are far weaker

>>51858953

Time 9 allows the Archmage to exist apart from existence, Anon. He/she is automatically older than the universe, doing what Temporis can and so much more.

Man, with how much you monsters fight like pre-pubescent children, Hunters will be out of a job in no time.

>>51858980
>Pocket Out of Time: Shift an entire area outside of time
>8 dots

Not to mention Ilyas did something similar when Troile attacked him

Has anyone here read the Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy? I want to create a new Mage Path inspired by it, but I only have vague ideas.

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>pic related, an entropy mage.

>>51858949
No you don't.

The level 10 power Disciplines listed in Gehenna were just EXAMPLES of what an Antideluvian can do with its power, but the truth is that a level 10 literally transcend every limit of a basic discipline, they are like a Mage power, but without the Paradox.

A proof of that is that Vanilisa, that is a 4th gen is already beyond Disciplines set effects and limits, and he/she is not even an Antideluvian.

>>51859048
Yeah, examples. Right. Like that invalidates anything I said.

The fact that 10 dot Disciplines even got examples, while 10 dot Archspheres did not, automatically causes me to assume that the Spheres are far more of a plot device.

Has any Discipline ever affected the entire universe? No. It's not hard to assume that the Archspheres outstrip them.

>>51859022

Path of Improbability and Divination inspired by Deep Thought

The mage that makes super computers and Heart of Gold Spaceships

>>51859011

Still not impressed. Never was.

>>51859080
Maybe because archmages weren't featured much in Ascension, while Antes had a major role in Gehenna, you retard?

>>51857257
1e of nWod is not Ascension

>>51857122
>>51859162
>Will I miss a lot if I buy the First Edition of Mage (oWoD)

>oWoD
>oWoD
>oWoD

>>51859083
I was thinking of calling these Mages the Travelers on the Path of Absurdity. I was thinking that Fate would be their Inferior Arcana, due to the whole absurdist perspective of the book. Unlike the Acanthus, who can shift the odds to make life more comfortable and predictable, these Hitchhikers would take all the darkness and chaos at face value and embrace it, instead of trying to mold it to their whims.

But what about their Ruling Arcana?

>>51859133
They weren't featured much, sure. Yet they still had the tendancy to threaten the entire fucking universe, while the Antes did not. What is the earth compared to entire galaxies?

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>>51859170
I am comforted by your Big Brother like presence.

>>51859179
I'd imagine Fate would be their Ruling Arcana because they are manipulating destiny.
That or make a path of your own featuring taking advantage of all the randomness and alternate timelines out there.

Time would paired arcana with emphasis on alternate time lines. Such as Arthur turning into a Penguin when they first warp onto the Heart of Gold.

It was also supremely lucky that they were picked out of the void of space so that's in the domain of Fate.

>>51859179
>But what about their Ruling Arcana?

Space should be one, obviously. Not just because the book is set in space but because they are Hitchhikers, and distances and destinations and connections are a big part of that. Where you come from, where you are, where you're going and all that.

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Which book talks about high dot mages, is 2e revised the only one?

>>51859390
There's only two books that discuss the Archspheres. Both are 2e.

>>51859390
"Masters of the Art"

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Just going to Classic a second, if Mages are so incredibly powerful, what was the endgame in the creation of the Tremere? What could possibly be worth replacing all the wank magefags spew for undeath and blood magic?

I imagine that stopping aging, or finding some other method of subverting death, is one of the first projects a Mage tackles and triumphs over.

>I'm not criticizing, I want to understand, because I'm just getting into Mage.

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>>51859408
And their names would be?

>>51859419

Because Tremere was fucking retarded.

>>51859455
Masters of the Art
&
Horizon: Stronghold of Hope

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>>51859419
Mages find immortality extremely difficult until the higher Spheres. Tremere and other Hermetics instead used life-prolonging potions to gain enhanced lifespans. When they notices diminishing returns on the potions, they paniced, and tried to create a hybrid organism.

A potion that would grant a Mage all the advantages of a Vampire [immortality, Disciplines, etc] but none of the weaknesses [Shredded Avatar, sunlight, fire, etc]

Through either treachery or incompetence, Tremere's potion failed.

>>51859419
Tremere was a piss poor Mage in life. He went about trying to gain the benefits of vampirism without any of the drawbacks.

He failed.

>>51859494
Immortality isn't hard to achieve in Ascension, Anon. The real difficulty is the consensus screwing your nature-defying lifespan. Why do you think all the immortals live in separate dimension?

>>51859494
>Mages find immortality extremely difficult until the higher Spheres.
>Immortality isn't hard to achieve in Ascension, Anon.

Er, which one of these is right?

>The real difficulty is the consensus screwing your nature-defying lifespan. Why do you think all the immortals live in separate dimension?

Does reality basically put a hit out on you, or something? Odds of a car suddenly deciding to slam into you because the driver had an inexplicable cramp or something? Or am I off-base?

>>51859485
These aren't in the mega folders are they.

>>51859605
>>51859554
Really in Ascension it depends on where you want to live and what kind of existence you want to have.

Turning yourself into a self-replicating nanobot deep space probe can let you survive for thousands of years.

Try to just keep casting "Spell of Youth" on yourself, and generally the Paradox will eventually build like a rubberband and you'll either die or have to leave the world behind like a Tolkein Elf.

>>51859605
Presumably the universe (or god) doesn't like someone exceeding their mortal lifespan without drawbacks, so accidents are going to happen

Could we make a seperate board for the magefags

Please?

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>>51859632

No. We like it here.

>>51859323
Wouldn't that make the, too much like the Acanthus?

>>51859356
That is a very good point, thank you. What would the other Arcanum be, then?

>>51859702
>What would the other Arcanum be, then?
I dunno.

Forces? Time? Death? A case could be made for all of them.

>>51859627
>>51859628

In what sort of way would Paradox eventually kill you though? Are we talking random pianos falling out of planes, or the spells just suddenly breaking and the Mage goes all Temple of Doom?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around Paradox, and whether it's ironic all the time, or even always sensical.

Like, if you throw a fireball, would it fizzle to nothing if someone raised a mobile phone that was live streaming on the net, like in the new adventure game? That seems different to how I'd heard of it. I always figured people rationalizing it, or reality saying 'no', would have something like an sudden underground methane deposit explode and then people rationalize it just LOOKED like you threw a fireball... before you were splattered across a wide area in a fiery explosion.

>The guy who I owe a favor to and wants to play a Mage in my next Hunter game is going to hate me by the end.

Welp, I'm done with Scion 2e. Apparently there'll be sections on 'Loki's pronouns and how it's great that modern people have accepted them' and shit. WHY CAN'T WE JUST HAVE FUCKING RPG BOOKS AND LET THE SOCIAL STUFF BE LEFT TO INDIVIDUAL GROUPS?!

>>51860135
>Loki's pronouns
So "Loki", "Loki's", and "Loki"?

>>51859632
no, if we send the mages away then the furballs can't bully their boipuccis

>>51858949
>Entropy 7 can affect the entire universe and species
So could I infest the universe with the clearly superior American race?

>>51855424
Spirits are not Ghosts. Humans actually don't have spirits and this is a plot point for Woofs.

>>51860390

But then who will the werefags impale with their knots? Surely not the vampfags.

Nobody wins.

>>51860135
Source.

Even for Onyx Path that seems retarded.

Why is WW and OPP so fucking PC?

>>51860135
eh you can choose to ignore them. The only thing that matters is mechanics settings can easily be adjusted yo your liking.

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Is there a kind of Supernal Pentacle wedding ceremony? Mages are married to the being they love? Maybe the Heirarch can officiate the union?

>>51860616
I mean OPP haven't exactly been great at mechanics recently either?

>>51860685
>marrying another mage
>letting everyone know you are marrying another mage
how dumb are you?

>>51860699
How so? they've all been a step up from the past and scion is easily the biggest dumpster fire of the bunch.

>>51860727
It doesnt have to be a Mage. Maybe a Spirit/a Supernatural entity whatever.

>>51856893
nWoD is 2e?

>>51860755
CofD is nWoD 2e

>>51860746

>worse than beast or ex3

I think not

>>51860750
Marrying a spirit is disgusting to mages like marrying a 2d waifu. Others supernaturals vary but still. No one gets married anywhere near other mages. Thats just retarded. That's giving anyone harboring a grudge to use relatives to find out information about you and thus kill you.

>>51860832
Why is falling in love with a spirit disgusting?

>>51860784
Beast is stupid but everything is from its settings. Ex3 is playable which is more then can ever be said about the last two editions.

>>51860852
Because spirits are predictory animals who only care about expanding their purview. Even the higher ups are just about getting things the way they want it.

>>51860862

Its playable with a dice roller and only in 1v1 situations.

Not what I would describe as 'playable'.

>>51860685
Pan sure let herself go, she's all fat and disgusting

>>51860862

>Beast is stupid but everything is from its settings

If you don't like wod/cofd then why are you here?

>>51861005

She is pregnant in that picture.

>>51861005
>Pan
It's not the 90s anymore, grandpa. Now Trunks and Mai from Dragonball are the official pairing.

>>51861005
Thats not even Pan thats whatsherface, the one that hung out with Pilaf.

>>51861088
Dude that's Pan and you're insane if you think Trunks hasn't been pounding that underage pussy

Every single Antediluvian vs a single Archmage

Who wins?

>>51861157
>archmage kills them all
>suddenly
>"no archmage you are the vampires"
>and then tzimisce wins

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>>51861209
Vicissitude 10 working on an Archmage?

Bitch, you are smoking something.

>>51861209
As much as I love the Tzimisce Ante, he would straight up lose against ultra-Gandalf.

If antediluvians suck so much why didn't the archmages wipe them all out during Gehenna, HUH HUH

Checkmate magefags

>>51861428

Metaplot?

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>>51856067

>>51855359
>blonde
>foreign accent
>femdom

>quiet fapping

>>51861140
Nope, as of Dragon Ball Super he's pounding the pussy of a woman 29 years his senior.

>>51861932
I'm sad now.

Thanks a lot.

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Alright, /wodg/?

How do we fix this flaming pile of fuck?

>>51862333
Delete it.

>>51862333
What's wrong with it?
As someone who only downloaded all of the Convention books an hour ago

>>51862333
Why did I read that as hall and oats?

I heard Aspel finally left the threads, is it true? Did that doughy fuck finally waddle off into the sunset?

>>51862751
Yes. Aspel left this place. Now the magefags are running things.

Where the fuck have you been?

>>51862769
Letting the threads burn so long as that asshole was saying he wouldn't surrender. Nice to be back though!

>>51862750
>hall and oats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsntlJZ9h1U

>>51862751

Left probably about a month ago. I honestly cannot remember the last thread they were in. Either they're still among us and learned not to be so visible, or they really did leave.

>mage supremacy

>>51862720
>What's wrong with it?
They're nonconformist superficially goth mages who are 2deep4u. One of their NPCs is named Penny Dreadful.

>>51862882
Thank fuck for that, whichever it is. For his own sake as much as everyone here he needed to move the fuck on and find a life.

>>51862933

Yeah, I hope they're doing OK for themselves, but I also hope that them doing OK for themselves means they never post in these threads ever again.

>>51862926

Got a whole novel to herself, too.

There's pretty much nothing you can do with Hollow Ones, they're just plain garbage.

>>51862794
You'll be changing your tune before long. I swear, Aspel was some sort of hatesink and without them this place has really gone to shit, although I think it might be improving as of late.

>>51862966
Aspel was secretly the guardian holding back the magefags of the abyss.

We were fools to kick him out.

>>51862958
Amen to that. They were not a healthy member of the threads, at all.

>>51862966
I don't see how I could change that tune, but I'll stick around to find out. I doubt the threads can be nearly as bad as they were.

>>51862998
>I doubt these threads can be nearly as bad as they were
I suggest you go back and take a look at the previous 30 threads. Magefags are fucking disgusting.

>>51863022
That sounds like a lot of reading to look at a subjective dispute.

>>51863042
Everyone here is going to laugh at just how ignorant you are for typing that.

Magefags are the fucking plague. Everyone goes quiet when they storm in, like some sort of wild west movie. Get out now if you think this a joke.

>>51863055
Hey now, let's not get into a fight when I'm so content the drama isn't flooding in. You don't like mage, that's fine! But outright hostility isn't the way.

I'd take Magefags over Masquerade fags any day of the week.

>>51855496
Like the United States?

>>51861157

It depends entirely on the Archmage in question. The strongest among them are unnamed and do not belong to any Tradition or Convention.

I would say a high Arete Archmage surpasses that of any single Antediluvian on an enormous scale. Under that would be fair game to any Methuselah.

>>51863108
Vampfags are the fucking worst.
Werefags are obsessed with knots.
Magefags are just superior in every way

Changeling fags are a weird hybrid of the first two.

>>51863185

>MFW no mummyfags

>>51863203
How does one define a mummyfag

>>51857372
Vamps never grow beyond the "I'm being bullied by Chad for being so speshul" stage. It's sad.

>>51863220
They're like promethean players or giant squid. They exist theoretically but I'll never see one before I die.

>>51858339
>mfw when the Internet is a Mage invention

>>51860602
blame it on leftist indoctrination

>>51861428
what do archmages care about if some vampires wake up and want to feed on the human population? They can easily repopulate it once one they locked the earth in eternal sunlight

>>51863232
>They exist theoretically but I'll never see one before I die.

>UnicornSupremacy

>>51863185
Rank the splats by how insufferable their fanbase is.

Ascension>Masquerade>Reckoning>Vigil> Everything Else.

>>51863308
I think you mean

Masquerade>Apocalypse>Ascension

>>51863308
>>51863322

Beast > Masquerade > everything else

>>51863331
Beast has a fanbase?

YOU'RE A LIAR

>>51863346

Everything had a fanbase, and this includes Beast.

>>51863346
>Beast has a fanbase

Yes, sadly there are many transexual, furry and other pathologically socially maladapt tween and teens with power revenge fantasies among the WW fanbase.

>>51863331
Got to be kidding me

>>51860616

>eh you can choose to ignore them

Ignoring them in the first place is what led to this current state of things. It's clearly not working.

Out of curiosity, I've been getting into Changeling: the Lost lately (only really played VtM before) and was wondering where a changeling with around 4 or 5 Wyrd that's Embracing the Wyrd end up on the power rankings of CofD compared to the average for other splats?

Why do werefags want to destroy my boipucci?

>>51863561

Because Gaia wills it!

AWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOO!

>>51863557
Some of their new Contracts can be pretty fucking insane in terms of power. I'd honestly put them directly behind Mages.

They can teleport using mirrors, turn people into babies or ancient crones, automatically win "games" and so forth.

>>51863579
>I'd honestly put them directly behind Mages

Yeah

No

>>51863568
Mage prostates are not for bullying

>>51863561
Because werewolf attracts a lot more gay dudes than the other splats.

>>51863579

None of that is "fucking insane" like you said.

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>>51863611

>>51862605
I don't wanna go that route because I think there's something of value in that. Think of the hollowers as the Bone Gnawers of Mage. "You've tried the best, now here's the rest."

The Hollower's tradbook contains exactly one good idea; that they're post-modernists using disruptive ideas to break down authoritarian paradigms and this book mentions it in passing and never comes back to that. I think there's the seed of a good splat there.

>>51862720
It's teen angst and vertigo comics dick-sucking: The splat. Seriously, you can look at the templates and see what monthly they're cribbed from.

>>51862926
>>51862958
Okay, I'm gonna go out on a limb and defend Penny because she's awesome. She's a giant take that to the setting. She insists on being nice and helping people, come what may and her novel did not take itself seriously at all.

While your criticism sums it up perfectly, Penny is not a good measure of that criticism.

>>51860616
so that we get even more sidebars? Bad idea

...huh, my refresh button has disappeared. That's fucking annoying.

Okay, so how we can make Paradox a real threat in Awakening 2e? Because now it is laughable, and I am not buying this "this is supposed to be about hubris, anon", because Paradox part of an hubris doesn't hurt even a bit.

>>51863859
Accumulating Paradox is like BDSM to Mages.

It hurts so good.

>>51863859
Make it like it was in Ascension?

>>51863885
>Paradox in Ascension

Didn't stop Magefags from abusing their privileges.

>>51863885
It won't do, because coincendental/vulgar is gone and one have to work with Reach system.

>>51863859
Increase the time it takes to heal and/or have a stronger penalty ie take on more bashing per paradox or eventually make lethal. by making it ramp you give players the ability to cast without stifling them

>>51863859
Make more things give Paradox dice, like improvised spellcasting.

>>51864083
Most spells casted are improvised. This just punishes casting in itself.

>>51863990
So, for example, make containing Paradox cause aggravated resistant damage?

>>51862769
I'm still here

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>>51864254

No, I am the REAL Aspel.

>>51864254
Then you're not Aspel or you're less of a schmuck. Either way, continue being whichever of these things that you are.

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I am Aspel

Do not listen to those imposters

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>>51864417
I want to believe that this is actually Aspel.

post proofs

>>51864252
>Most spells casted are improvised. This just punishes casting in itself.
Good point. Maybe make it so instant casting gives Paradox instead of costing Reach.

>>51864252
No thats going to make the game end really fast as players quit. Make it do more, after a while if you cast x times with in a day it takes an additional bashing if they fill up the bashing convert it all into one lethal damage. Since it's not my game I don't know the perfect number for X.

But it does give paradox some weight over time without making it so much it's aggravating.

>>51863990
>>51864083
>>51864252
>>51864447
>>51864450

Stop trying to nerf something that doesn't need to be nerfed.

>>51864519
I'm sorry that some people think that Paradox should come into play more often.

>>51861932
Well fuck you, I didn't need those feels right now.

>>51864620

Paradox is fine as it is

>>51864713

L O L

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>>51864726

Mage hater detected

Tell us how you really feel, Anon

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>>51864713

>>51864764

I prefer this response over the previous.

You can't argue with The Dude.

>>51863859
>how we can make Paradox a real threat in Awakening 2e?

Mage 2e, revised,... this time with 20% less supremacy!

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>>51863568

>>51863859
Is Paradox supposed to be anything but a nuisance anymore? I mean they seem to be deliberately making it less of a genuine problem.

>>51865043

Rather than the old vulgar / cover mess, the players now choose just how much of a problem Paradox will present.

Players can choose to use a lot of Reach to achieve much more impressive effects with necessarily greater risk. Containment versus release of Paradox also is tied more to Wisdom. Paradox mitigation additionally requires mana which is now a more limited resource.

>mage supremacy

>>51863185
Everyone is obsessed with the knot once they experience it.

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>>51865110
stop trying to ruining magepussy

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>>51865121
>a mage's face when he is caught unprepared by a pack of werewolves

>>51865165
Mage prostates should be befouled by werefags

magefags x werefags

I ship it

>>51865187
No. mage prostates should not be defiled.

>>51865203

WEREFAGS ARE ONLY IN IT FOR YOUR SPIRIT MAGIC! DON'T FALL FOR THEM AND THEIR SEXY KNOTS!!

>>51865382
Heard you got spirit magic, mage, maybe you should share some of that knowledge with us. I'm sure we can come to an amicable... arrangement.

>>51865398
Seducing innocent mages is immoral

So, I noticed the Left Hand Path is still in the MtAw 2e category on Drivethru, is it fully compatible ?

>>51865826
Only if you're left handed

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Been working on a WoD living world, a city with about 38 regions. May not be ready for a time but I wanted to get a sense of peoples tastes and start working on NPC's

https://strawpoll.com/1e2dfg1

>>51866345

>>51863148
That would have made more sense had you kept quiet and let it echo inside your head

>>51863185
Changeling fags are obsessed with getting you to eat fruit and get flustered when the big three forget that they can even be a threat to a regular human.