EDH/Commander General

>MLD
Its fine if you can win the game in the next two or three turn afterwards. Complete asshole move if you cant.

Anyway, Im building Jarad self mill and reanimator and I need some suggestions. Nyx Weaver, Splinterfright, etc.

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>From previous thread

I am building a Sydri deck based on animating artifacts, but I wanna add in some combos.

Would these be too oppressive for a fairly casual meta? Too many for such a group?

For tutors I have Fabricate,Treasure Mage, Trinket Mage, Trophy Mage, no black ones.
For protection I have Leonin Abunas, Padeem, Consul of Innovation (no lattice).

>Question

I am for MLD, but only when you have a winning position/hand. Someone blowing up all lands and then durdling for 10 minutes is unbearable.

>>51842814
Centaur vinecrasher could be pretty good if you're running a lot of lands

>>51842814
Sewer nemesis can let you kill the whole table with Jarad's ability if you chose the right player, often times yourself.

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So everyone in /edhg/ says R/W has it rough.

What about G/W?

>>51842822
i like em and they're quite casual so there shouldn't be a problem. maybe cut exsanguinate because it seems kinda lame like exquisite blood + sanguine bond

>>51842761
>playing shattergang jund goodstuff
>have gitgud and red Omnath in play
>cast wave of vitriol
>I run 3x of each basic just so I don't get btfo by it
>oh yes sweet triggers
>rest of table mad as fuccc
>have anger in the GY
>swing with 9 new elementals plus Omnath and gitgud, alpha strike the fuck out of the Karlov life gain douche because I know he has sovereign/test of endurance
>the Breya player has nothing because of wave, he draws and passes
>the monoblack player is a dumb enough bastard to cast crux of fate
>eat 10 lightning bolts retard
>drop him to 4 life
>cast titania, still have anger in GY, kill monoblack idiot
>Breya scoops
Land destruction is underrated desu. Especially if you have cards to take advantage of it

>>51842761
>How do you feel about land destruction?
More people need to run targeted LD to take care of problem lands. As for Mass LD, it's a frustrating but acceptable wincon; if you're just wiping out the lands because "dude long games LMAO", fuck you.

>>51843045

Thanks; I am thinking of taking out Contraband Kingpin as no one will want to wait as I rearrange my deck.

Exsanguinate, I guess is not too interesting to just kill everyone at once.

>>51842814
Deadbridge Chant.

>>51843037
G/W is pretty solid. The problem that R/W has is that it sputters on card advantage- white's card draw is clunky, expensive, or narrow, and red's tends to be in the form of looting/rummaging, or wheels. Hard to get positive card draw. You also have to lean really hard on artifact ramp.

Swapping green in for red gets you access to WAY better card draw and WAY better acceleration, as well as notably MORE and notably BETTER options for Commanders and overall strategies.

>>51843150
Dude, it shouldn't take you very long to resolve a Scry 1, even if you're getting 2 and 3 per turn. If it's good, keep it. If it's bad, ship it.

>>51843194

With the combo it is scry 1 infinite times.

>>51843215
Which means you Scry once, repeatedly.

It does not mean you scry your whole deck. Scry 1 does not let you reorder your deck; at best, it lets you scry everything away until you get to a specific card.

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>>51843047

>Not doom blading Omnath then cruxing

Come on mono b. Making us look bad.

>Friend playing Red Omnath
>Everyone fucking hates that deck
>Talrand player drops Declaration of Naught naming his general
>"I can just remove it."
>"I dare you."
>Omnath spends next eternity trying to get rid of it
>Talrand dedicates his game to fucking with omnath player
>Slowly kills him with control and drakes
>Table is cracking up and doing nothing to stop it

POST EM

>>51843037
G/w has access to good cards (mostly through green) it's only real problem is that most of its commanders suck. Rhys, saffri, karametra, Captain sissy, and uh selvala I guess are the best choices for the color combo

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>>51843247

>>51843252
>most of its commanders suck
And they're all miles better than "DUDE DOUBLE STRIKE LMAO" in R/W

>>51839437
In case you're still around Anon, here's my Marchesa list, as promised:
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/once-you-go-black-rose-1/

That other dude's list right here >>51840736 is also pretty good. Some cards he's playing that I totally would be too, if I had them:
>Clever Impersonator
>Glen Elendra Archmage
>Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
>Sower of Temptation
>Sneak Attack
There's more good stuff in there too, a lot of which I'm not running as either personal preference or a meta choice.

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>>51843247
>>51843282

>>51842761
LD is fine. Unless you're playing a Zo-Zu deck where the wincon is every red MLD spell and damage from Zo-Zu from his ability

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>>51843247

Ha ha! Help me.

>>51842761
>How do you feel about land destruction?
A totally valid strategy that is, nonetheless, exceedingly frustrating. If you consistently pack MLD and I know, I'll likely do what I can to target you down.

>>51843294
Honesly, I'm as unhappy about the current state of RW as anybody, but can we just give it a rest? What more can be said that hasn't been said ad nauseam?

People around here act as though Boros is 100% unplayable garbage all the way through, when nthe fact is, it just isn't all that great and the commander selection is kinda boring. Doesn't stop me from loving my Giant Tribal deck.

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>>51843404
>4.49mb
Haha my dude, no.

How do you people find the time to play/construct all these commanders? Do you just put 20 commander thematic cards and will the rest with goodstuff.inc?

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>>51843443

Its straight from my phone, what do you want from me anime poster?

>>51843404
>Ben-Ben
>Ramses
>Krond
>Atalya
Help you do what? Pick out some microbrewed craft beer and a new fixed-gear you fucking hipster? Jesus, you even have the worst NEW commander.

For real, though, it's cool to see people playing underused commanders. I want a Losiva deck something fierce.

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>>51843243
Those are the best kinds of game.

>Playing Marchesa v. Thraximundar and Sidar Kondo + Ikra Shidiqi
>get out Thrumming Bird with Jitte and double strike
>keep hitting Shidiqi player
>doesn't care 'cause lol lifegain
>6 Jitte counters each turn
>Thrax player wants to get his zombie combo engine going
>plays a creature
>"I remove 3 counters and kill it."
>next turn
>plays another creature
>no response
>"I equip my Sword..."
>"I remove 2 counters and kill it."
>repeat for the next several turns
>Thrax player eventually breaks down begging
>"Please let me play a creature."
>"No."

>>51843504

Here's a decklist I made awhile back. Some things have changed but its mostly the same.

>Currently at 666 views

Praise be.

>>51843587
Nice list senpai

>>51843587

Might help if I post the decklist, huh?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lovisa-of-the-barbars/

>>51843247
Trying to decide what to build next. Right now it's a toss-up between:
>Yidris
>Grenzo
>Alesha
>Tasigur
>Gitrog Monster
>Skyfire Kirin
>Sekki
>Akuta
>Vhati il-Dal

>>51843404
>Angus

My nigga

>>51843614
I currently run Alesha and have run Vhati in the past. Both are really fun. I nominate Vhati, because he's consistently underestimated.

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Where my mono black bros at?
Urborg+Cabal Coffers forever

>>51843404
Starting from the top left and moving across:

「 S E P T E M B E R 」
「 O C T O P U S ' S G A R D E N 」
「 M R S A N D M A N 」
「 M A P S 」
「 P U L L M E U N D E R 」
「 H E R E C O M E S T H E S U N 」
「 M A S T E R O F P U P P E T S 」
「 S T O P ( I N T H E N A M E O F L O V E ) 」
「 M R B L U E S K Y 」
「 I R O N M A N 」
「 W A L K L I K E A N E G Y P T I A N 」
「 S U L T A N S O F S W I N G 」
「 D O N ' T S T O P M E N O W 」
「 C O L D A S I C E 」
「 B R O K E N W I N G S」
「 H A N D I N H A N D 」
「 F A I T H 」
「 X G O N ' G I V E I T T O Y A 」

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>>51843404
>all that red

You're alright, anon.

>>51843681
Full disclosure, some of these are not my best work.

>>51843681

Not gonna lie that

>「 X G O N ' G I V E I T T O Y A 」

got a good chuckle out of me.

>>51843650
Any chance you have a list kicking around? I threw together a preliminary Vhati list on paper, 'cause he's the one that interested me the most, but it's ~130 cards right now and I can't decide what to cut.

>>51843037
Until aura shards, gaddoc teeg, and sigaurda are banned GW is fine.

>>51843188
>wheels
>bad draw
wheels are the best card draw mechanic in the game, they were just considered op by the baby jew maro.

>>51843681
Breya
Selvala,Heart of the Wilds
Mizzix
Do your worst

>>51843717
Hey, the whole point of this stupid schtick is to make people laugh.

>>51843791
「 H E A V Y M E T A L Q U E E N 」
「 W I L D T H I N G 」
「 P I N B A L L W I Z A R D 」

>>51843786
I disagree. Wheels are great for when you need to dig deep and you don't care about losing what you have, but they're 'bad' in the sense that they're negative card advantage (unless you cast them when you're empty and it's one of the "Draw 7" by default or the "Draw equal to largest amount discarded this way" ones) and they're not a constant or sustainable source of draw.

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Elegant Lands for Elegant Esper

>Swamp - Archenemy
http://abugames.com/shop.cgi?command=search&log=1&cardname=Swamp&edition=172&displaystyle=list&x=34&y=14
>Plains - Tempest
http://abugames.com/shop.cgi?command=search&log=1&cardname=Plains&edition=24&displaystyle=list&x=57&y=12
>Island - Ice Age A & B
http://abugames.com/shop.cgi?command=search&log=1&cardname=Island&edition=30&displaystyle=list&x=55&y=6

Post yours, Æstheticborns.

Longtime standardfag here, how do I even get started here? I have a pile of good cards, but what kind of ratios do I want to start with (ie lands/accelerants/creatures/non-creatures)

>>51843839
Kind of like all the draw X spells, fact or fiction spells, and tasigur. Sounds like you just want every draw spell you play to be black card draw.

>>51843901
Buy a precon

>>51843901
Generally you want around 40-ish lands and ramp cards. I know a lot of people that start at like, 38 lands and they take out a land for every 2 ramp spells/dorks/mana rocks. It'll take a little tweaking for each deck, but generally because games go longer you can get away with a higher ratio of lands to nonlands.

As for creatures to noncreatures, it depends entirely on the deck. Some decks get by with a handful of utility creatures, some have 50 creatures and 20 noncreature cards.

>>51843915
...no?

Draw X spells get better the longer the game goes on, and unless you're casting for X=1, are always a net gain of cards. Fact or Fiction is almost always a net gain in cards, and can be an absolute blowout if your opponent picks the piles wrong (or they Kingmake you a pile of 5 and 0)- there's a reason it used to be "EOT FOF FTW". And Tasigur is repeatable card advantage, especially when built around. None of those effects cost you more cards than they gain you. Wheels are only good for if you need to dig very deep, very cheap, and don't care what you lose on the way (IE, a combo deck perhaps). They are NOT reliable for a constant source of cards to outpace your opponents the way that blue, black, and green's card draw are.

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>>51843247
Could use some 「 N A M E S 」if anyone is willing.

>>51843901

If you have friends who are also not in EDH, each buy a precon. If you have no friends, ask around local LGS about how stronk are their decks.

>>51843901
The best way to get into EDH is to get into it with friends. Take your favorite legendary creature, then grab all the good / cool / interesting / fun cards you have in their colors and mash them together with ~38 lands. Have fun playing your janky-ass decks against each other.

>>51843982
X is literally the symbol used by wotc for variable draw you mongoloid. Tasigur and fof need your opponent to pick which means you cant expect how much or what you get to draw. If you dont see that youre hopeless. Wheel is always draw 7 for 3, cards like molten psyche are always x where X is cards in hand. If you want to say you like cards that say draw 4 go ahead and say that but dont act like the draw mechanic that is banned and restricted is unreliable or bad.

>>51844010
「 G R E E N A C R E S 」
「 C A R E L E S S W H I S P E R 」
「 H U N G R Y L I K E T H E W O L F 」
「 B O Y N A M E D S U E 」
「 D O N ' T S T O P B E L I E V I N ' 」

>>51844109
Tasigur can also be done over and over again, rather than once, and it costs you nothing to do it, rather than losing your hand.

Fact or Fiction has your opponent pick the PILES, but you still choose which set of cards you get, and even with your opponent's "interference" Fact or Fiction is generally considered one of the best instant draw spells in the game's history.

Importantly, neither one of them costs you a goddamned thing, and neither one of them gives 7 new cards to your opponents.

>>51843247
>Finished: hidetsugu
>working on: noyan dar

>>51844139
Who said giving your opponents 7 new cards is a good thing? who said you cant reanimate the cards you pitched into the gy? Ive taken more enemies out of the game with wheel than Ive lost by doing it. Shit I regularly use wheels with flash to nullify tutors.

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>>51843879
Your choices are interesting, but I can't stand those old card frames on my lands.

Most of my decks have the basics split half-and-half between Innistrad or Dark Ascension lands and their Avacyn Restored counterparts.

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>>51843247
Parts for Titania are inbound

>>51844199
You're extolling wheels as the best card draw in the game, when only one of them always gives you 7 cards, and they ALL have notable drawbacks.

>>51844235
Put a temple bell, vedalken orrery and some wheels in your red deck. I gaurentee you will get results and many cards while also driving your oppnents insane without drawing table aggro.

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I like the looks of Shirei, but is there much else I can abuse with him other than Shadowborn Apostle?

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>>51843247

Not pictured, Bladewing the Risen

I want to build aura voltron
I want to vomit out auras and delete somebody
Bruna or Sigarda?

>>51844324
I'm an idiot, bladewing is in the picture

>>51844227
「 S H O T T H R O U G H T H E H E A R T 」
「 M A M A I ' M C O M I N G H O M E 」
「 I N T H E A I R T O N I G H T 」
「 B A D T O T H E B O N E 」
「 A B O Y N A M E D S U E 」again

>>51844330

Sigarda is much harder to interrupt.

>>51844273
>THESE ARE GOOD DRAW SPELLS IF YOU USE TEN OTHER CARDS TO SHORE UP THEIR WEAKNESSES

>>51844330
I find Sigarda to be much better in this aspect due to her colors, abilities, and casting cost.

Selesnya colors has the right auras and enchanments too for Voltron.

>>51844403
You dont need the temple bell and flash, they are just always good. Also you need to learn how to count.

>>51844396
name my breya thopter tribal

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I am a simple man that loves tribal themes

>>51844235
>seriously claiming Wheel of Fortune is bad
I bet you also think Wrath of God is shit

>>51843404
Pls post your islamic terrorism decklist.

>>51844482
「 H A T R E D C O P T E R 」

>>51844536
Wheel of Fortune, the singular card, is good.

Wheels in general are not in the same area code as 'the best draw spells in the game.'

Much like how Wrath of God is a good card, but a fucking awful spot removal card.

>>51844585
>fucking awful
>gets through shroud, hexproof, regenerate

Stay bad at Magic

>>51844613
It also costs 4 and wipes out your own stuff.

The point being, while it -can- be used for that, it's not good at it compared to other things. Claiming Wrath of God is the best single-target removal spell in the game is wrong, just like saying "wheels are the best draw spells" is wrong.

>>51844646
Or like saying "You are good at magic" is wrong.

>>51844693
Please tell me how 4 mana spells that give you back as many cards as you already have, and give your opponents a fresh grip, are the best draw spells in the game.

>>51844284
Sac outlets obviously and anything that has an etb/ltb/sac itself trigger.

Big game hunter lets you kill many fatties,

Cavadier imp lets you get back stuff every turn

Crovax the cursed is a sac outlet that you can recur from his ability too.

Hell's caretaker will let you slam a dead demon on the battlefield every one of your turns

Mindless automaton lets you draw every turn,

Myr syr is net a 1/1 each turn

Noxious Toad lets you amek everyone discard

Perilous Myr lets you shock something every turn

Little death touch dudes are nice protection

Silent Arbiter is annoying and you can turn it off for yourself

Thoughtpicker witch could be durdly fun

Tree of Perdition is just annoying

Wall of Souls is annoying

Workhorse ramps you but mana doublers make it meh in mono black


It really depends how much you want to stick to demon.deck though, also probably a few blood artist type creatures would be nice.

>>51844713
Already did, lmaoing at your life.

whats the worst mono color in EDH? is it red?

>>51844946
Probably White.

Probably.

>>51844946
White

>>51844966
>>51844955
Why is red better? White has more in the way of mana ramp, at least.

>>51844981
white has 0 card draw that isnt awful or convoluted. red has wheels

>>51845000
It only has maybe two or threegood wheels, though. Looting effects and rummaging effects aren't card advantage.

>>51844981
What mana ramp does white actually have?
Knight of the white orchid, Kor cartographer, Land tax, gift of estates, and oath of lieges is all I can think of. That's a very small handful of cards to say "it has ramp"

>>51845053
still better than what white has

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>>51843247
Working on Atraxa mostly right now. Stax seems interesting for how it is interactive with the other players but I've played a game where I've locked an opponent out of the game and we both didn't have a good time with that.

Soft locks interest me or just resource denial in general that isn't permanent.

I basically never play red or black, what is a good red and black commander? I want to step out of my Bant comfort zone.

>>51845230
Not many interesting rakdos commanders outside of maybe OG grenzo and rakdos, lord of riots.

>>51845199
I don't think I've ever seen a worse collection of commanders. Have you bought anything besides the most brainless commanders possible?

>>51845230
Typically Red/Black in EDH is Rakdos himself or nothin'. Maybe a couple vampires.

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>>51845230

>>51845230
just play a three or four colour deck that has those colours

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>>51845265
Not really. Precon commanders are cheap and easy to start building off of. There are certainly commanders I do want to build that aren't precons like Yasova Dragonclaw and Mina and Denn, and I'm working on the Jori En thing very slowly but I'm a poorfag and Commander products are easily available compared to building from scratch.

I just want to play and have fun for a reasonable cost.

>>51845230
Vial smasher by herself is good enough in rakdos.

>>51845354
Vial Smasher is fucking awful.

>>51845364
Youre retarded.

>>51845372
A 2/2 for 3 that does hardly any damage, only to players, once per turn, completely at random.

Wow, that's so fucking broken. She's a shitty Kaervek, and Kaervek's not good to start with.

>>51845319
May I see your Atraxa list? I bought the precon about a week ago and I want to upgrade it. I've got a list almost figured out, I'm doing +1 +1 counters too

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>>51845385
I haven't typed it up but I can start that right now. It's still in it's infancy of build right now so it might look a bit wonky with what I'm trying to do.

>>51845364
>not equiping her with infect and throwing praetors/eldrazi death bombs
wew

I bought pic related for my Rainbow in the Dark deck (Blind Seer). I tend to stay away from Infinite combo cards when I play. It is easy enough to draw my deck with Arcanis or Azami but that seems like it would get boring real fast. I really do like the Urza art and still want to include it with things like Glasses of Urza and a few other cards with his art.

What are some fun "fair" things I can do with Mind over Matter in mono blue.

>>51845465
Sit there and die after casting it.

>>51845419
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/atraxa-tokencounters/
Thats fine, this one is mine if you're looking for inspiration as well. Could also use some feedback although I can't really afford a doubling season and I don't really like the cheaper version that does it for everyone

>>51845455
Or you could just kill them with the big things you're ramping into instead of playing a shitty pinger.

>>51845364
>thinks vial smasher is bad

are you real?

>>51845501
Or you could kill somebody just by casting kozilek and then kill somebody else with the kozilek. Its like superhaste from the rocket powered turbo slug.

>>51845540
It is bad. It's RANDOM BURN in a format where burn is worthless.

>>51845552
Stop posting any time.

>>51844227
may i get that ghave list? im interested in non combo-y ghaves

>>51845568
Explain to me how a shitty version of Kaervek, an already shitty commander, is good.

The Partners are BY FUCKING DEFINITION half of a Commander, so tell me how something that's going to maybe do 5 random damage per game is worth the slot.

>>51845080
Tithe and Endless Horizons, too.

>>51845589
>shitty version of Kaervek
>can literally just put kaervek in the deck and shit our huge damage after he is done ramping the fuck out of everything then start taking extra turns and shit
>literally none of the downside of being in rakdos because your in every color but white

W U T
U
T

>>51845540
I'm legitimately interested in why people say Vial Smasher is a good commander. I've seen this statement pop up enough to be curious, since I definitely dismissed her at first glance.

>>51845631
Just stop responding, hes too retarded to understand magic.

>>51845631
She -is- a shitty version of Kaervek. Kaervek domes your opponents every time they cast ANY spell. It can hit multiple times per turn, he'll probably hit EVERY opponent in a turn cycle, and it punishes them for big plays.

Vial Smasher requires you to tap out on your own turn to RANDOMLY hit someone, and is by fucking definition half as strong as she 'should' be because of Partner.

>>51845648
No, please, enlighten me how randomly doing 4 damage a game is so game-breaking.

>>51843404
>>51844561
Please respond.

>>51845648
Not that anon, but having to use giant cmcs ( in a not green color combo I might add ) to get any value out of your general sounds like a less then optimial to me.

>>51845677
Than* whoops

>>51845638
shit like this is the average deck

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/vial-smasher-thrasios-jlk-game-knights-2-1/

>>51845697
This just looks like they threw together every rare in those colors they had from their binder and called it a deck

>>51845697
>>51845728
Josh Lee Kwai sucks at magic and that deck is terrible.

>>51845660
>cast viel smasher on turn 3
>tutor for kaervek at any point because you are in every color that can tutor creatures
>cast kaervek at the same time you normally wold (or earlier since you are also in green and can ramp like fuck) AND the opponents have taken a bunch of damage already because you have had out vial smasher for like 2-3 turns
>if kaervek dies you bring him back because you are in all the good reanimator colors
>wala

thats how its better, if you seriously think that isnt better than kaervek and a really good EDH deck you are probably stupidly bad at magicor trolling

>>51844324
[MAN EATER]
[THE THING THAT SHOULD NOT BE]
[DRAGULA]
[HELLBENT FOR LEATHER]
[MONEY FOR NOTHING]
[MOB RULE]
[WITCHY WOMAN]
[BARK AT THE MOON]
[MISFITS]

anyone else having trouble with images?

>>51845754
I'm not seeing how Vial Smasher is useful here.

>>51845754
So, what about this is a Vial Smasher deck, rather than a random 4 color Goodstuff deck that does 2 or 3 'free' damage a turn, assuming Vial Smasher hasn't died to a random wipe?

>>51845802
>ramp to play 2-3 drops
idiot

>>51843651
Do you have to call out your fellow "bros" every thread?

>>51843681
Karn, Silver Golem
Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
Baru, Fist of Krosa

>>51845490
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/atraxa-counter-mishmash-soup/
Here's the list I said I would type up. It's got a lot going on and I am unsure if I wanna keep the karmic guide and reveillark combo in it. I like seeing you going for a bit of a tokens route. I completely blanked on cards like hooded hydra and hangerback's interactions with stuff like Juniper, Thrinax, and Biomancer. I might want to try something out with that.

>>51845490
Also like Anafenza. I always forget she exists but she provides some good grave hate in the deck and synergizes well.

>>51845825
Oh wow, you did like 6 whole damage before playing Better Vial Smasher, what a fucking amazing deck

>>51842761
>How do you feel about land destruction?
Targeted LD: Needs more respect. Always pack some way to deal with a degenerate anything somewhere in your build.
Mass LD: Acceptable but FFS have a solid strategy. Lolrandumb is grating at the best of times and MLD is not the best of times.
Ruination: "I'm running basics, dweebs" is a solid strategy. Really, any level of brutality is a go when it comes to LD that can only hit nonbasics.

>>51845848
「 T I M E I N A B O T T L E 」
「 A I N ' T N O S U N S H I N E 」
「 S O N O F M A N 」or 「 C A T S I N T H E C R A D L E 」

>>51842761
>How do you feel about land destruction?
fine with it. honestly i dont have a problem with anything in EDH and i think there should be no ban list either. EDH should be make a 100 card singleton deck out of every card ever and play whatever the fuck you want

How many fatties is too many for Feldon? I'm at 20 5cmc cards, and the problem I'm facing is that it'd obviously work better as a ramp deck, but my big black ramp deck is tits and I hate proxying so I'm left with this weird mono-red discard thing.

In magical christmasland, I play seize the day and flashback it on a reanimated bane of bala ged or bust out where ancient's tread, warstorm surge, stalking vengeance and all the damage doublers I can find. In real life, I hit a looting effect, toss something in the yard, eat removal as soon as they see feldon, then eventually hard cast things.

>>51844116
Noyan Dar and Hidetsugu?

>>51845924
Eh, I think
「 S T E E L M O N K E Y 」
Is better for karn.
inb4 「 I R O N M A N 」

>>51845975
I already used Iron Man for Bosh earlier in the thread. I was going for the "Karn could travel through time" schtick.

Also, if you guys haven't noticed, I have a bizarre compulsion to use mid-70s through late-80s song titles whenever possible.

>>51845972
「 B R I N G M E T O L I F E 」
「 S H O T T H R O U G H T H E H E A R T 」

>>51845907
>saying Ruination is always A-OK but having reservations for blanket MLD
hypocrite, get fukt. It's all fair

>>51846033
>But have a solid strategy
Ruination in a deck full of basics is no different from Armageddon while you have an Avacyn out. "I have lands and you don't" is a solid strategy to use with MLD. His issue was when people play an Armageddon effect every 5 turns just because they can.

>>51845972
[AGE OF AQUARIUS]
[WORLD ON FIRE]

>>51846008
Steel Monkey was '88 I think.
Also I noticed jojoposter

>>51846008
Yasova and Borborygmos Engared.

>>51845882
If you go the token route Elesh Norn would do great. That's what I'm trying to do, go wide with a lot of tokens and counter them all up, with a few creatures I can dump counters on if I get wiped. I may put Thrinax in since it goes so well but the list is so tight as it is. I may also take out Reveilark out for Sun Titan. I really want to fit in Serrated arrows.

>>51846062
>jojoposter
Does he not know?

>>51846061
What about Vela, the Night-Clad

>>51846068
「 B E A S T O F B U R D E N 」
「 W I L D W O R L D 」

>>51846086
>>51846062
sorry i tried to abort that i remembered your list

My meta is growing up and I want my shitheap deck to grow with it. I need my skeleton children because I love them, everything else is open to change. Yes I know I need more white mana, I just noticed that when I put everything on tappedout. I would love help from somebody better at this than me though. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/athreos-skelly-tribal/

>>51846086
「 D A N C I N G I N T H E D A R K 」

>>51844010
「 S O M E K I N D O F N A T U R E 」
「 A T O N E W I T H N O T H I N G 」
「 I M A G I N E D R A G O N S 」
「 B R I N G E M B A C K A L I V E 」
「L O V E D U M P 」

Never played a group hug deck before

Is it possible to make a good group hug deck out of Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis or should I switch to a different commander?

>>51846114
You need at least 34 lands, and even that is risking it. I honestly think you should abandon artifacts in exchange for more enchantment support and an artifice-hosing subtheme.
>Cut
Patriarch’s Bidding
Sphere of Suns
Rogue’s Gloves
Culling Dias
Gorgon’s Head
Bad Moon
Behind the Scenes
Infernal Scarring
Pacifism
Death Denied
Pack’s Disdain
>Add
4 Plains
Stony Silence or Null Rod
Kataki, War’s Wage
Martyr’s Cause
Black Market
Phyrexian Arena
Phyrexian Reclamation
Ghostly Prison
Land Tax or Tithe
>Replace (more expensive but, strict upgrades)
Evolving Wilds/Terramorphic Expanse->Marsh Flats
Any basics -> Godless Shrine/Scrubland (Tithe synergy here)
Any Swamp-> Urborg, Tomb of Yawgamoth (synergizes with Filth)
ANY LAND-> Cabal Coffers (I perfectly understand the desire not to go down this road however)
>Miscellaneous Good-stuffesque cards to consider
Filth (you need evasion)
Akroma’s Memorial (see above)
Yosei, the Morning Star
Kokusho, the Evening Star
Sun Titan
Grave Titan
Sidisi, Undead Vizier
Graveborn Muse
Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
Corpse Harvester

>>51846114
also, get a Bojuka Bog holyshitniggerwhatareyoudoing

>>51843247
i apparently am not allowed to upload images for whatever fucking reason so I'll just post my decks.

Wort, Raidmother
Mayael
Breya
Alesha
Roon

fuck you 4chan. Fucking chink piece of shit broke this fucking mess.

>>51844946
Worst:
White > Red > Budget Black > Blue > Green > Expensive Black

>>51843681
Jazal Goldmane
Ezuri, Claw of Progress
Maelstrom Wanderer
Wrexial, the Risen Deep inb4 「 H O L Y D I V E R 」

>>51843247
I did create an image catalogue of my decks, too but this borkness happened.

Kruphix, God of Horizons
Sidisi, Undead Vizier
Selvala, Explorer Returned
Xenagos, God of Revels
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Atraxa, Praetors' Voice
The Gitrog Monster
Sigarda, Host of Herons
Nin, the Pain Artist

>>51846081
Not him, but isn't this name shit and styling a Jojo meme?

>>51846512
I'd say White is better than red, because at least with white you can answer every kind of nonland permanent and also defend yourself. It also has a tiny bit of ramp (Land Tax, Pale Wayfarer, Knight of the White Orchid etc).

>>51846389
>Evolving Wilds/Terramorphic Expanse->Marsh Flats
4/5 of the Khans Fetches are a better option, assuming you have a Godless Shrine.

>>51846525
it absolutely is but we love it anyway

>>51846529
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=153310

This thing? How does this thing ramp?

Also, I find knight of the white orchid to be a little janky.

I run Magus of the coffers, Crypt Ghast, Cabal Coffers, and many other swamp-synergistic cards.

But I cant be arsed to buy Urborg for $10. I've had all the other cards from my friend's collection, but the $10 land is killing it for me.

>>51846543
>better
I mean cheaper. Also, brewing Athreos as tribal skele isn't the best. Full on Shadowborn Apostles is better. I'd go Skeleton Ship if your heart is set on Skeletons.

>>51846543
>off-color fetches are better than the one designed for both colors

I want to build a deck that takes my opponent's graveyards and uses it against them because of a Meren player that never seems to lose unless we all hatefuck that player out of the game first.

What deck do I build to passively fuck this guy?

>>51846574
>>51846569
Oh, I see whatcha meant

>>51846561
Shit, I meant Weathered Wayfarer. My b.

>>51846574
Already corrected myself, friend.

>>51846580
Mimic Vat, lazaav, mimeoplasm

>>51846584
it never ramps you. It allows you to search for powerful non-basics however

>>51846604
However, it's still closer to ramp than anything that red can do.

>>51846635
Indeed. Kor Cartographer is the actual ramp, big-brother to Knight of the White Orchid, both of which can search for nonbasics

>>51846580
Chainer, dementia master

Built it with alot of removal and control. Also lots of consume spirit / corrupt type cards, you'll need to life for chainers ability and black card draw

>>51846389
You are a kind soul. Thanks for the ouline of some things to fix. I fell in love with this garbage tribe, I need to support them.

So my two others in my playgroup and I decided to do block constructed decks, I chose to work with Kaladesh block. I've decided on building a Padeem deck.

Does anyone have any experience with Padeem? They seem really strong especially with all of the artifact shenanigans you can get into with Kaladesh cards.

>>51844227
seconding this >>51845571

>>51843247
Can't post the image
I started playing by picking up the saskia precon. I upgraded her a bit but don't really play her anymore. I have Marrow-gnawer rat tribal, Kami of the crescent moon grouphug, uril.dec, trostani.dec, and marchesa aggro. I'm thinking of building jeleva next because grixis looks really neat.
My playgroup isn't very creative (purph and only purph player, monocolor almost winconless groupslug player, and autistic artifact combo player) so I like having decks with varied playstyles. artifact guy has a few interesting decks but the other two refuse to allow any fun.

>>51846569
I threw the deck together from what I had around plus all the skeletons i could buy. I have always liked black/white anyway, so athreos seemed like the thing to do.

>>51847181
Have you seen Sentry of the Underworld?

It's a BW Skeleton Griffon

>>51843247
Marchesa typical ETB abuse/Reanimator with a Zombie sub-theme
Anafenza, the Foremost Counters/Life Gain deck

I got the baddest bitches in the multiverse and they're all I need. Also I did build a Yasova deck for a friend once for his birthday after he got all of his decks and traders stolen

>>51847263
Aw shit, a flying skeleton. I really need some defence for flying too.

>>51847404
You running Skithiryx? It's also a flying Skeleton.

>>51847469
I am not. I was advised by some people I know who play a lot to go light on the lands and light on creature costs. Cheap as possible all the time. That isn't really working right now, so I am looking for advice while I mix it up.

>>51847957
Sure, I guess, but it's CMC is 5 for crying out loud. Sentry costs 5 too. In a format where you can play shit like Cabal Coffers, Sol Ring, Black Market, Land Tax, Dark Ritual or a million other ways to smooth out and ramp your mana, 5 is not terribly much to ask

test

>>51847992
I know that now. I have had some very bad advice when I was just a little baby nooblet. Now I am trying to figure more things out. I still wish my skeletons had a win condition other than slow plinking that evaporates from a lifelink.

>>51843322
I think you forgot to make the deck public. Also funny enough that other guy and I have exchanged decklists before.

>>51843681
Thromok, the insatiable
Maga, traitor to mortals
Halfdane

>>51847957
>go light on the lands
Nooo. This is bad advice. Most new players will skimp on lands. Try to be rigid. If you need to make cuts, cut something other than lands.
This is the general rule I like to follow: Start at 40 lands, take away one land for every two mana rocks you include. Run 8-14 rocks.
>and light on creature costs.
Yes, it's important to consider your mana curve when brewing, but 5 CMC is nothing in EDH. The format's higher starting life total, along with great ramp, lets you get away with a lot higher CMC spells than regular 60 card formats.
Compare Tarmogoyf to Craterhoof Behemoth. Tarm is awful in EDH, but Craterhoof is an allstar. Crater is bad in modern, but Tarm is great. It's all relative.

>>51848064
「 F E E D M Y F R A N K E N S T E I N 」
「 S U C K E R F O R P A I N 」
「 M A N I N T H E M I R R O R 」

>>51848108
I posted my deck list a bit earlier, but if you want to see it, here it is. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/athreos-skelly-tribal/
It just has not been very consistant or hard hitting. Haven't won any of my last seven or eight games.

>>51846580
Just put in every single graveyard hate card you find find. Cage, RIP, Seal, Tomb, Nihil Spellbound, ect

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>>51843247

>>51848158
2 is good, but 1 and 3 are godlike. Gentleman and a scholar.

>>51848354
Yeah, I wasn't as happy with 2 as the others either

>>51848019
I do like Skeletons as a tribe, but take it from someone who tried more than once to get on Mr. Bones wild ride: Skeletons aren't very good, even less so if you try to tribal them. It doesn't help that Regenerate just recently got shitcanned for the foreseeable future either, which means if we ever do get new skeleton cards printed they're not going to synergize very well with the ones we already own.

After lots of experimenting the best I could do with skeletons was combine them into a veritable undead army featuring zombies, vampires and wizards (gotta have some necromancers to keep that shit runnin')

Also the dude who spat a wall of text at you had like three good mentions and the rest were bourgeois as fuck.

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>building gw enchantress
>including landtax/burgeoning
>gotta have it
>just gotta - it's too good
>judge promo is ugly
>legends one even more
>forced to play this abomination

Any cards you wish had a better - perhaps even Modern - version, /tg/?

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>>51844484
Drana vampire goodstuff.

Doing gods work friend.

>>51844693
>>51844613
>>51844536
>>51844199
>>51844109
no wonder that /tg/ is terrible at magic when they're not even able to read properly
good thing I don't come here for advice

>>51845080
Most of those aren't actually ramp though. Lands in hand don't really help with mana acceleration.

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>>51844284
Death Cultist

>>51845677
he is a partner commander, if you want grean just put in a green partner like thrasios or the mana one

>>51843746
Welcome to Weenie Hut Jr's, how may I help you?

Why is Vial Smasher suddenly climbing in price? Is the card really good as a commander?

What secret tech/jank was found within her? Even a coworker made a deck with it and played it against his meta, and apparently he became target #1 with it.

>>51848875
it shits out damage and can be in whatever colors you want it to be due to partner. its basically the only good partner commander

>>51848875
He is really good in 1v1 commander, like to the point where he will probably be banned.

>>51848858
Yes but the argument yesterday was she was good enough to be run by herself.

>>51848907
>Vial Smasher
>he
Someone needs to brush up on their lore.

>>51848944
i am the guy arguing from yesterday and i very clearly was talking about pairing it with other colors. if fact i specifically mentioned blue in like 3 of my posts along with blue

>>51846525
It is, but it's not exactly a secret who started it.

it was gA

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>I vote for time

>>51848505
How can one man have such poor taste.

>>51848995
>I scoop before it resolves, giving the remaining players more of a chance to beat the cunt that plays this card

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>>51848505
>Judge promo is ugly

>>51848965
green along with blue rather

>>51848505
Nah. Plenty of modern cards with fucking awful art though. Notable cards include young peezy and collective brutality. I use them in 60 but holy shit do they look stupid. CB even has a stupid name.

>>51848995
>for each player that votes time take an extra turn

wow i misread that card the first time, that shit is WAY better than i thought it was

>>51848864
jesus you're dense

>>51848505
>better
Stasis comes to mind. I waffle back and forth on whether it's weird in a charming way or just fucking stupid. Leaning to "not fit for M:tG"

>Modern
Never. I prefer the old frame where able, to the point where I've considered the upcharge for the judge foil Crucible of Worlds

>>51849037
>At least one player lost the game just because I resolved a spell
Mission. Fucking. Accomplished.

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is this card any good? been thinking about putting it into my alesha deck

>>51849165
Its good in brago, seems sucky in alesha.

>>51849165
Just do it. Report back with results.

>>51849165
It's OK against, say, Sigarda Voltron or Uril (Really, any Voltron) because even if they remove it later the damage to their stash of auras is done. However, it can't "solve" the Commander (after all, nothing really can) and doesn't solve equipment so at worst it's a bit of a setback. Against the decks where it SHOULD to more (the ones spamming fat) it'll just get removed, letting them retrigger ETB. If it had flash you could at least use it as a psuedofog against overrun effects but as it is I doubt it finds a place in the 99....
... Except in something like Alesha where none of your stuff will ever get hit so you might as well casually exile some dorks and cost somebody an artifact removal. It might even stick if there's a "mutually assured destruction" aspect to letting all the big guys back out.

>>51848046
Thanks for the heads-up. Fixed it.

>>51848995
wotc designing cards for commander was a mistake

>always play budget casual decks basically built out of refuse and bulk
>well known as a budget edh player at my LGS and am given a lot of draft chaff
>actually was a serious collector in the 90s and early 2000s and still have my collection
>love being a complete casual again but a dipshit teenager has started to show up with a 75%ish deck and may ruin the kitchen table fun
Should I build a competitive deck to crush him or not? Everyone at my LGS assumes I'm either poor or don't want to spend much on magic so I may piss off some people if I show up with an expensive deck.

>>51849379
Conspiracy 2 seems to be the opposite of designed for commander and has their fucktarded standard mindset. All the cards it introduced are pure cancer, even the fun monarch mechanic breaks the game.

>>51849379
how? there are cards that just give you extra turns or take people shit. giving people a choice makes the card objectively worse

>>51849506
nah, there is nothing better than beating someone who spend a shit load of money on their deck with a 75 dollar jank build. they get massively butt hurt every time

alternatively just dont play with him

>>51849530
>monarch breaks the game
what?

>>51849553
Try using a monarch card in control and watch the aggro decks stop hitting you until you can just ball out and win. The whole set is filled with cards that are overpowered in commander.

>>51849568
>commander
>over powered

thats literally the whole point of the format though

>>51849537
>giving people a choice
At worst, it's Blatant Thievery + Time Warp on one card. That effect would be extremely playable on its own. But somehow every group also has at least one retard who votes for "time."

>>51849537
Except most of those cards don't scale with player count.

Since your opponents aren't stupid enough to vote time, Expropriate is basically Blatant Thievery (CMC7) and Time Warp (CMC5) squeezed into one card at CMC9, which is bullshit.

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>>51849537
It's an extra turn + each opponent's biggest threat or more turns, that scales off of playercount and bypasses hexproof/shroud.

>>51849594
There is a difference between playing well using your cards and printing a spell that is 4 timewalks stapled together when timewalk itself is banned. All of the 2016 contributions to commander were so misguided its unreal.

>>51849568
Why would the aggro player stop attacking you when you're the monarch?

>>51849655

Clearly they don't want to get the lovely effects of being the monarch themselves.

>>51849645

Timewalk is also 7 mana cheaper.

>>51849568
So it's "broken" because you play with crayon-eating morons who allow you to draw an extra card every turn.

Got it.

>>51849655
They hit you once, then somebody steals it from them, then it gets stolen again, and finally you chill while everyone is killing each other.

>>51849645
It also costs nine fucking mana. And most of the time it's not gonna be four Time Walks, it's gonna be one Time Walk and three Treacheries.

Time Walk itself is banned because it costs 2 mana and is exorbitantly expensive.

>>51849685
Ah, of course. I forget how bad other people can be at playing aggro.

>>51849685
So Monarch is 'broken' because it encourages people to actually attack instead of playing Ultradurdlefest.

I'm getting the impression that your definition of "THE WAY CMONDADER IS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED!!!1!!one!" is five hour games where nobody resolves a card stronger than Craw Wurm and you jack off about how smart you are for playing Wood Elemental in your Titania deck.

>>51845697
What the fuck even is this?

>>51845747
Clearly. Is that a name I'm supposed to know?

>>51848995
>I cast counterspell and fork

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>>51844284
What about this bad boy here?

>>51849738
He's one of the hosts of a Commander podcast.

>>51849718
If somebody is playing combo control monarch is simply the strongest defensive mechanic in the game to defend yourself. becoming the worst target on the board at the cost of one turns worth of damage is a rediculous playoff for 4-5 mana.

>>51849715
If you're low on cards and know you're going to be able to get past their blockers would you ignore the free card at eot, or let your opponents get the free card?

>>51849603
>Since your opponents aren't stupid enough to vote time
The last time I resolved Expropriate, the Nekusar player should have voted time.

>>51849685
>>51849718
"For the Fairest"

I for one would love more interactions like that, but then I'm the asshole who ships his own Lord of Tresserhorn around the table in an Assault Suit while slapping everything in sight with Vows.

Vial Smasher is awful on her own.

The reason Vial Smasher is good is that it adds a win condition that is always available in the command zone to a heavy BUG control deck, using another partner.

When you can counter and remove everything other player does, Vial Smasher adds some additional damage, letting you eventually drag out a win.

This is in Duel Commander though.

In normal EDH, she's just decent.

>>51849765
Really? Playing subpar cards and counting on your idiot opponents fighting over an extra card draw per turn and ignoring you clearly trying to combo off is 'the strongest defensive mechanic in the game'?

It sounds to me like you fancy yourself the educated 'combo control' player in your group, and you think the 'aggro simpletons' will just let you combo off.

>>51849814
Get marchesas decree, its the one I get the most value out of other than queen marchesa herself.

>>51849823
>Vial Smasher
>"Win Condition"
If your deck is "I'm going to stop everything you do in UGx" and you need shitty, vulnerable, random burn as your 'win con', you are going to fucking lose.

>>51844284
Theres an incredible amount of things Shirei can abuse. She/He is stupidly strong. All you need is some easy to cast small bullshit etbs like bottle gnomes and sac outlets. You basically get a free etb off of everything on every single turn. My friend made an artifact heavy deck with her, and it was stupidly strong. The only problem would be protection after everyone realizes how strong Shirei is.

>>51849765
Not really. You could play any number of stax / control effects that straight-up stop your opponents from attacking you. But you'd rather become the monarch and then hope all your opponents are retarded?

In a lot of playgroups that might work, sure, but if you're playing with decent players it won't.

>>51849798
>attack the monarch with one creature
>attack the control / combo player with the rest of your creatures
It's not that hard.

>>51849839
No, but making them lose life every time they target me and forcing them to pay mana and life to declare the attacker is a pretty good incentive to get them to fuck off.

>>51849853
Not in Duel Commander, where there's ONE player to kill and everyone starts at 20 life.

>>51849864
Do you think Im advocating one defensive enchantment for the whole deck? Propaganda and mana barbs go great with marchesas decree.

>>51849869
And even in Duel Commander where burn is less shit and it'll "randomly" hit the same guy every time, I can't imagine there aren't better options.

>>51849866
So Monarch is a completely unnecessary component in your Magical Christmasland where you're able to fend off three players with your infinite mana and endless resources, until you draw your convoluted 6 card combo, yet it's the most broken mechanic ever made.

Got it.

>>51849889
>Do you think Im advocating one defensive enchantment for the whole deck?
No, but I think you ARE saying that
>monarch is simply the strongest defensive mechanic in the gam
which is just blatantly wrong, that's all.

>>51849738
its a commander podcast, they do game play videos sometime

>>51849895
No, Vial Smasher + Kraum is possibly the strongest deck at the moment.

Enjoy Vial Smasher, pass, Fireblast for 10 on turn 3.

>>51849925
If "Shitty burn spell: The Commander" and "I'm literally only here for the colors: the Guy" is the best deck in that format, then the format is fucking stupid.

>>51849889
>become the monarch
>aggro player hits you & takes it away
>they get free card draw
>play Propaganda
>now they can't attack you anyway
I think you could skip a step in there and have a much more sound strategy.

>>51849930
>burn and a hasty beater with evasion and card draw is bad in a 1v1 format with 20 life

You're a shit player. Duel Commander is also a shitty format.

>>51849946
>shitty burn and an overcosted flier that is BY FUCKING DEFINITION half of a Commander are amazing

>>51849962
Yes? You seem incapable of evaluating a cards power by other standards than multiplayer EDH with 3 opponents that start at 40 life.

>>51849962
>can't see the forest for the trees: the post

>>51849869
>>51849977
To be fair to the folks you're arguing against, this whole conversation started with people claiming that Vial Smasher was just straight-up one of the best commanders. That MIGHT be true in Duel Commander, but it's kinda misleading if you don't mention upfront that you're talking about a bastard offshoot of the format everyone else is talking about.

>>51849977
I refuse to believe that a shitty burn spell and a shitty flier are somehow the best commanders in that format. Even with the rules favoring aggro, there has to be a better option. You can force the "VIAL SMASHER IS BROKEN" meme all you want, but it'll die down just like every year.

>>51850018
>MY CARD IS SUPER STRONG IN THIS SHITTY VARIANT FORMAT WHERE HALF THE RULES ARE CHANGED!!!!!
Seriously, it's super embarrassing.

>>51850025
>duel commander is shitty
Bitch it's singleton legacy the format. Show us on the doll where Jace, Vryn's Prodigy High-Tide blew you the fuck out of the water.

>>51848995

>only had someone cast this once aginst me
>void shatter it
feels good man, was the only counterspell in the deck too

>>51850095
That's my problem.

Someone sat down with Commander, a casual multiplayer format built around variance, big swingy plays, and junk rares, and thought "How can I make this a hypercompetitive 1v1 aggrofest where the curves end at 3 and the decks all play the same?"

It's literally the antithesis of what Commander is supposed to be. It'd be like saying "How can we make a Standard where nothing rotates?" or "How can we make a sundae, but out of garbage instead of ice cream?"

>>51850119
Everything is subjective anon. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you will not get upset over people liking what you don't like.

>>51850194
>The sooner you accept that
The sooner you can be a wanker that kills all discussion.

>>51850119
>It'd be like saying "How can we make a Standard where nothing rotates?"

Boy, imagine if someone did that. Then imagine they did it again with an even smaller pool of cards and tried to cram it down everyone's throats, talking about how it was gonna "save the game."

Commander is truly the One True Path.

>>51850366
That's not how you spell Legacy.

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Every single edhg thread seems to have people that don't understand the power of Vial Smasher, Thrasios, Kraum, Ravos, etc. Is Partner the single most underrated mechanic in the format?

>>51850366
>>It'd be like saying "How can we make a Standard where nothing rotates?"
Ahh, Frontier

>>51850395
Just because you dipshits think that "Four color goodstuff, starring bad removal and "I'm here for the colors" " are good cards doesn't make that true

>>51850399
Frontier was less a Standard variant and more a Modern one. The intent was to make a nonrotating format (like Modern), but cut out a lot of the oppressive and expensive cards by bumping up the start point. They just went way too far so it's basically Standard plus Rhinos right now.

>>51843786
Wheels are powerful
>everyone but me has 7 cards but me
>wheel
>get ez card advantage while forcing opponents to have to deal with the new draw.
Not to mention how it's more blue then red because it's actual card advantage.

>>51843037
>G/W?
Selvala and Cpt. Sissy are both tier 1.5/2 competitive decks and extremely powerful commanders
the rest can be good as well, they offer a variety of playstyles, tokens, stax, beaters, combo. Really GW is an extremely healthy color combo and my personal favorite.

>>51848875
He can be pretty bonkers because of partner but is average at best on his own.
The host of The Command Zone podcast on yt built a deck with him and kydele abusing wheels to ramp into big spells with kydele which seemed to be pretty bonkers.
I like the cardand will propably build around him in at some point the future

>>51850406
Wheel.

Singular.

All of the rest of them are either 'draw as many as you ditched' or 'draw equal to highest number discarded'. The only one that always draws you 7 happens to be banned in every format but Vintage because that's a very strong effect for 3 mana. Notice how none of the rest are banned, or even fucking played?

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>>51850411

>>51850423
She. Her.

Also, someone already posted that deck, and the general consensus was "What the fuck is this" and "this looks like someone just sleeved every nonwhite card in their rare binder"

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>>51846373
Anyone?
Looking to see if gay bros can be made into a good deck.

>>51846373
>>51850448

Don't build group hug. The only time I've seen these two work is with hyper 4c pillowfort/fogs and helix pinnacle as win condition

>>51846373
depends
how do you want to win? A lot of group hug decks are more like "group hug until they just combo" decks and having more colors could help.
The gaybros are pretty good and while they help everyone out they are not symmetrical. If you have a decent mana base as far as getting the colors you need you shouldnt have a problem.

>>51850448
Gaybros is a good option. It has a grouphug effect that LOOKS symmetrical, but isn't, and it puts you in all the group-huggy colors. Typically Bant is best for Group Hug, but there's a handful of red cards that are fun for that sort of deck that Gaykings give you access to.

>>51848995
Fucking Leovald. Even when he's just appearing in the art and flavour text he's managing to ruin a game and make you hate him

>>51850400
but being able to splash additional colors is only part of what makes them good. several of them are powerful enough independently that they wouldn't even need a partner to be viable. plus, running partners is almost like starting the game with an extra card in your hand

>>51850505
>Several of them are powerful enough independently that they wouldn't even need a partner to be viable
Except that's wrong, you retard. By definition they're half of a Commander. They are weaker than a non-Partner of the exact same cost because you have access to two of them.

>>51850602
4 mana scry + coiling oracle is pretty powerful on its own
the others less so, though vial smasher does a pretty good Karavek impression.

>>51850602
There are plenty of commanders worse than the partner ones

>>51850662
>4 mana scry + Coiling Oracle is pretty powerful on its own
It's mediocre at best, especially when you compare it to other UG commanders.

And Vial Smasher does a 'pretty good Kaervek impression' the same way Needle Drop does a good Lightning Bolt impression.

>>51850671
There sure are, and the vast majority of them are from back when Legends were new and finding their footing. "I'm not the single worst card in the game" doesn't mean you're good.

>>51850400
You could do same-color (few that there are, but Kraum and Ludevic at least) or shared-color partners, you know. It doesn't have to go quad every time.

>>51850718
Sure, but the discussion at hand was "Vial Smasher and some random doesn't-matter partner at the helm of some 4 color goodstuff deck is the best deck ever!"

if you're doubling up on enemy-color Partners, basically every pair is outclassed HARD by at least one existing Commander in those colors. And if you go three color, same problem- there's not a lot of three-color partner pairs that interact well together, and the ones that DO aren't really worth the wasted slot.

>>51850684
You severely underestimate how easy it is to get infinite mana in U/G
and infinite mana dump on a 2 mana general is NUTS.
and vial is good because karavek's cost is prohibitive.
needle drop is not to bolt as vial is to karavek

>>51850602
>Except that's wrong, you retard. By definition they're half of a Commander.
That's retarded because you're making the assumption that all nonpartner commanders have an equal power level.

>>51850242
The only wanker here is you. You've done nothing but make arbitrary standards as if they're objectively right and support them with nothing but going "nuh uh, this format is shit". Have fun arguing with the other guy who hasn't figured you out yet.

>>51850744
if you have infinite mana in UG, you've already won. Thrasios is an unnecessary component of that. I'd rather be playing something like Momir or Zegana, things that give me value beyond "Well, I had 8 mana unused at the end of your turn I guess?" or an infinite-mana sink.

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new thread pls i have a question and i want some (You)s

>>51850769
>if you have infinite mana in UG, you've already won
thats simply not true

>>51850746
Okay, I want you to imagine you built a deck around Azami, but you chose to completely ignore one of her abilities. You built an Azami deck with no Wizards. Or you built a Grimgrin deck with no Zombies.

If you're looking at a card and completely ignoring one of the abilities on it, it is automatically weaker. If you're looking at a Partner commander as a solo thing, it's automatically weaker because you're ignoring Partner. They are BY DEFINITION weaker than a normal Commander of that mana cost should be, because you can play two of them. Thrasios' ability probably would have cost 3 if he didn't have Partner, for example.

>>51850809
Okay, let me rephrase that:

If you are capable of reliably making infinite mana in U/G, and you can't win with it, you're shit.

New thread

>>51850830

>>51850810
Choosing not to use a partner let's you have +1 more card you actually want to use in your deck

>>51850844
And it also means your Commander is immediately weaker because you're ignoring half the abilities on the card.

>>51850448
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/groupfug-1/

more spell-slingy than actual hug

>>51850441
Have you seen their gameplay vid with the deck?
Though it just durdled around the first game, in the second game it dominated.
It's obviously more a Johnny/Timmy deck and not very competetive but it's far from just being "every nonwhite card from his binder".

>>51848995
>tap mountain
>Pyroblast

>>51850816
>reliably
theres no more reliable way than having your commander be that outlet. the other cards gum up the works.

Post edh memes

>>51851544
>talrand
>hidegetsu
>xenagos

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>>51851544