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Ovipositors for dead guard players edition.

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>>51829645

>Dank Dweekend Duncan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMtj4yJKuzk [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]

>40k rules reference in wiki format. 204% Organized
https://sites.google.com/site/wh40000rules/

>Rules and such. Use Readium for epubs. Sorry, it's shit, but it'll read 3s.
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ

>Latest GW teases
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/

>Latest GW attempts to fuck up your list
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Rules-Errata

>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf

>Here's the list builder, but if you've actually bothered to read this far, ask for it anyway!
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>Another roster making program that may or may not be a broken piece of shit
https://battlescribe.net/

>Forge World Book Index:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index

>The Black Library (Dark eldar now welcome)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
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First for Fallen are loyal
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second for guilliman
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First for orks
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https://youtu.be/DMCTbIH924k
Primarchs for 40k in March.
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>>51833550
>I 2
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Remember to field a 1500 point army consisting entirely of tyranid warriors.
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>>51833447
Priests don't count towards the required HQ choice according to the sisters of battle codex. And no, I'm not gonna be the first in my meta to bring the Gathering Storm bullshit into a game.
I'll keep your recommendation in mind though.
Also I don't own half the models in that list yet, I'm just brainstorming on what to buy next.
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>>51833560
I tried watching that but I fell asleep because it was so boring. "Static" trailer might be more accurate.
Besides everyone knew a Primarch was coming back since three weeks ago or whenever they showed Girlyman's model.
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some pdfs
https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA
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>>51833609
Oh shut up.

I'm so sorry that it wasn't a blockbuster trailer with explosions and shit.
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>>51833560
I shall not fail, no! It is the Abbadon who shall taste the greatest of them all. As you know most of our spiritual liege is stationed in stasis ready to defreeze.
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>>51833620
Could I get the Imperial Agents codex as a .pdf?
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>>51833609
>whenever they showed Girlyman's model.
I haven't seen it. What does it look like?
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>>51833566
>not using the superior 1850 tournament list
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>>51833624
Not even that but there's literally nothing to be excited about
"Woo GW is ruining the game even further"
"Woo news we heard in more detail a month ago"
>>51833699
I don't have the picture but he looks like a thousand son with downs syndrome.
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>>51833686
I'll upload it, check the link in a few minutes
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>>51833666
Our plot armour has been prepared in the event that our jobbers should be so bold and so foolish. We have place numerous deus ex machina allowing for multiple, simultanious and devastating defensive ass pulls.
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How's this for a list
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>>51833699

Guess which
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>>51833597

Priests count as HQs as per Imperial Agents.
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>>51833705
Just curious. I've never seen someone field a list like this. How does it do in casual games?

I'm thinking of starting tyranids, and this looks like fun.
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>>51833705

I think this is actually worse than fielding Rhubrics.
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>>51833739
>1850 pts.
>12 models on the field
You don't want to win objective games, do you? The only thing you'll win is kill team and only against anything that can't table you. Heck, a full Imperial Knights army will beat you even in kill team.

Oh, and any drop pod/alpha strike army will have you neutered before you play a turn. Have fun with that.
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>>51833794
>kill team
Kill points. Fuck me sideways with a chainaxe.
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>>51833560
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>>51833597
It does in Imperial Agents.

Sororitas command squads are elite in IA but are HQ in the FoC formation.

It just proves that GW just copy pasted everything in IA.
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I need help, /tg/, I need a Dark Angels successor that's easy to paint.
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>>51833794
My "community" plays some shitty format where only 1/2 the objectives are worth points. I thought that bringing nothing but high aw would've been interesting since the local meta is full of waac-ing and rule jewing.
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>>51833828
Wait until rules for Cypher and the new fallen come out, then paint them all black.
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>>51833828
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Angels_of_Absolution

Symbol will be a bitch to freehand but what the fuck do you expect. I think this is about as simple as you're gonna get mate.
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>>51833852

>all white
>simple

have you ever tried painting an all-white army senpai
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Is there a list of iron hands successors with paint schemes?
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hey /tg/ wanted to ask a rule question

played a game against a chaos player the other day and he had a flying daemon prince which charged me the same turn that it switched flying modes and i was wondering if there is some sort of rule that allows them to do that?
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>>51833882
You declair at the start of the turn if its flying or on the groud. if it on the floor it can change if its in the air it cant
simple brah
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>>51833835

That's retarded. You should kill them and wear them as a warning.
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>>51833763
You'll never see someone field that kind of army, it's like $500+ worth of the worst troops choice and worst HQ.

In an actual game the CC warriors would get shot to shit and they're the only hope for killing TEQ or vehicles, the shooting warriors would be outstanding VS blob infantry but worthless VS anything else.

It would be fun to see, but would probably serve to highlight how bad warriors are.
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>>51833825
>Sororitas command squads are elite in IA but are HQ in the FoC formation.
>It just proves that GW just copy pasted everything in IA.
...What?
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>>51833715
Based Anon.
>>51833749
>>51833825
So which one am I supposed to use? The only difference between Codex: Sororitas and IA seems to be that there are no restriction with the "secondary" characters like priests and command squads. And why would you want a sororitas army led by a leprous priest?
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>>51833867
It's bone, not white, and bone's pretty easy so long as you use a white primer. Trust me, I have Deathwing.

As for white armour, the secret is to use white only for highlights, and paint the actual bulk of the armour in an extremely pale colour like Pallid Wych Flesh.
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>>51833899
Thanks for that.

At least I know why I've never seen anyone run that kind of list. The standard lists I've seen always had the flying hive tyrants, and I don't think I've ever seen the warriors used.

I guess I was hoping that there was something different that was semi-viable.
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Alpha Legion are loyal
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>>51833928

And the lack of Celestine in IA

However, the official ruling is that you can use either.

You can kinda pull a DE with the priest and use it as a 35pt dump HQ so you can take more shit.
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my friend is either retarded or i am retarded.
A space marine has both boltgun and bolt pistol in his wargear right? He can't choose to have only bolt pistol or boltgun right?
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>>51833960
They have both.
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>>51833893
actually 'brah' the rules state in the book that it cannot declare a charge in the same turn that it changed flight mode so how bout doing some reading before replying
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>>51833963
thanks a lot, anon, pretty sure he's trolling by this point, because he's still sure that they can't have both, because he thinks that a model can only have one shooting weapon and forgets that marines still need something for CQC
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>>51833972
pff, reading is for thousand sons brah
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>>51833928
The oficial totally GW approved ruling is use either.

You can use Adepta Sororitas, Inquisition and Imperial Agents. Since the SoB and Inquisition are the same faction in IA (respectively) you can mix and match units from either codex.

You can run an IA Inquisitor while using an Inquisition Henchmen squad.

In other words no FoC Priest, Servo skulls and 10 points Psykers are still a thing.
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>>51833953
A tyranid warrior costs 30 points base, (more than 2 tactical marines) and is objectively worse at everything except assault and is only slightly better at that.
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>>51833955
What Alpha Legion? Never heard of them. Are they some kind of GENESTEALERS?
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>>51834015
Did you know there actually ARE Genestealers on Terra? Everything from Purestrain to Gen 4 almost human mutants.
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>>51833982
Any model can carry as many weapons as they want. I think in 30k some charakters can stak up to 13 pistols, guns, volkites, combiweapons, needlepistols, relics etc. its just no very useful
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If a model with stealth is inside a vehicle, doors it give the vehicle a better cover save as well?
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>>51834044
If i put my dick inside invisible unit, can i still see it?
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>>51834036
Well, I mean, it's a planet-spanning hive city. I'd be surprised if there weren't.
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>>51834075
a-anon, that's lewd, but also a correct answer to other anon's question
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How do you model a csm sorcerer on a bike? do you have to kitbash something or is there actually a model?
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>>51834086
Lewd you say?

It also depends how the invisibility is achieved
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>>51834097
Cover a biker in sorcerery bits or glue the top half of your sorcerer onto a biker's legs.
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>>51834097
You greenstuff a wizard hat onto a regular biker kit.
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>>51834013
That sucks. Especially since they are such a great looking model. Hopefully they get rebalanced in 8th edition.
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>>51834126
Primaris Psyker managing to cast Invisibility on allied Sisters of Battle without perils.
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>>51833879
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When will GW start putting out models for the rest of the primarchs?
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>>51833956
Special characters don't count for me, I always avoid them if I can, unless it's something like Belial who unlocks terminators as troops. Or at least used to, his special rule could be that he makes cotton candy for the enemy these days and I wouldn't know.
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>>51834151

We're not going to get models for all of them. We're only getting Magnus and Roboute now because they're involved in the plot.
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>>51834152

Belial just stops his unit from scattering when deepstriking now. And is better than a generic captain in challenges. Deathwing are just taken through formations now.
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>>51834147
I use those models as psykers with my SoB army. Penitent Psyker are kind of thematic.

Why lewd? Well because it triggers some people.
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when will we get an Adeptus Sororitas Start Collecting! Box?
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>>51834193
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>>51834189
Does it make your neckbeard tickle with excitement? Those don't look like 40k models at all.
>>51834187
Nice to know if I ever end up going back to Dark Angels.
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>>51834193
Never as GW think girls are gross. Same reason why IG, Ork and Nids don't get new stuff. They are girly armies
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>>51834127
>>51834129
thanks. I suppose the same goes for the chaos lord?
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>>51834205
No, just a small giggle at best. I can't properly waac. So everything helps when facing non retarded waac players
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>>51834225
Well obviously you don't WAAC if you play sisters of battle. But I think thematically I think it would be more appropriate to have naked men as psykers
Being lead by a cockleash
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>>51834193
You need a plastic range first
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>>51833882
so can someone clarify here? does a chaos prince have some sort of rule which allows them to charge when changing flight mode? or did i get fucked over? help?
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>>51834257
That kinda mystifies me actually, GW made a plastic sister to sit on the turret of the immolator, so why the zog not a basic infantry unit?
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>>51834211
>IG
>Ork
>girly armies
What did he mean by this?
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>>51834240
All female army having male models?
I'm not following.

Even trying to get female Acolytes and priest.

Banter and calling the other players coward for not going within Flamer range. Since they are scare of girls. Helps a lot. Some times people fall for it and make stupid mistakes trying to counter my silly claims
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>>51834287
All female army craving for cock
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>>51834276
Beside Nids girls usually play IG, Orks and SoB.

Eldar from time to time, but that army is mostly for closet homos
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>>51834300
Heresy! They only crave vibrating chainswords
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>>51834301
Try harder anon.
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>>51834317
Why do you think what he said is bait?
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>>51834317
He's right, y'know
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>>51834317
Men in uniform is a thing you know.
Orks are asexual
SoB have power armour corset and some girls dig that.

Eldar being gay is an old as fuck joke.
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>>51834317
Ah i know, you took offense in him saying Eldar players are mostly closet homos. I agree that this is not true, most of them are openly gay
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>>51834322
>>51834324
>>51834326
why wont girls space marines
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>>51834317
Being this out of touch.

Are you from GW?
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>>51834346
Boring? It can happen but if we go shitty psychology 101, marine are a male power fantasy. There is very little for a girl in marines, beside turning them more girly.
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>>51834362
what about necrons?
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>>51834346
Same reason they wont date you
Boring, bland, bad social skills
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>>51834380
Same thing as marine they do not offer much. Unless they have a crush for mechanical shit and Egypt themes.

AM and GSC no idea since they are rather new army.
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If I run three squads of repentias, at least one of them should get into CC right?
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>>51834362
>There is very little for a girl in marines
Unless they are awful fujoshis way into bara.
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I've never met a woman who plays Skitarii or Admech in general
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>>51834394
Yeah, I wonder what a woman could get out of Genestealer Cults too . . .
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>>51834301
*Aldeari
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>>51834395
Maybe.
But anon honey. Repentias are the worst Melee unit in the game. The amount of help they need to even reach Melee is just silly.

I just run the models as count as DCA.
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>>51834412
Just ask for the egg-dildo porn instead of baiting.
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>>51834362
And chaos, senpai?
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>>51834418
B-but they're elites and everything
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>>51834407
Even then nobody fucks besides the Emperor's Children. They're all stoic and shit.
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>>51834441
Never seen any outside of Nurgle and Slaneesh demon players.

Nurgle because they are cute and fat. And slany because tits are awesome. Also slut power demon for some is a cool concept.

This comes from a guy that has play warhammer fantasy and 40k for decades all over the world.
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>>51834418
>I just run the models as count as DCA.

...that's actually not a bad idea. You could even use the Mistress as an allied-in Inquisitor.
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>>51834465
what do girls play in fantasy / aos?
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>>51834446
Anon love. They are shit.

There is only one situation they are good. When the player with a Knight ignores them and some how they manage to get into melee.

Any other situation they suck hard Seraphim Strapon cocks
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>>51833763
>a list fielding nothing but two of the worst units in one of the worst codices
Take a guess
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>>51834477
O-oh well ;_;
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>>51834472
AoS ni idea but fantasy?

Bretonia, Wood Elves, Orks, Slaneesh, Skaven and Nurgle. In that order of occurrence
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>>51834346
My girlfriend plays CSM. Does this make CSM girly now?
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>>51834472
Sylvaneth
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>>51834491
Lizardmen/Seraphon as well. Cute lizards and dinosaurs is a big draw, especially since they're good guys.
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>>51834506
Yep they share the spot with skaven. Totally forgot about those guys. Shame on me
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>>51833745
That Chaos style armor trim was a really strange choice. It doesn't look remotely like ANY existing Ultramarine/Loyalist models.
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>>51834500
Depends. What version?
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>>51834527
Almost like they were trying to make them their own faction
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Clue me in on Grots /tg/. Why do so many Ork players take them for the troop tax?

For not even double the points you can get 10 Boyz. They're T4, better at morale with Mob Rule and can actually do "something" if charged. Surely they're the better objective campers?
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>>51834545
Because Boyz are complete shit and not worth it. Grots are cheaper so you can get other better things.
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>>51834545

TLOS my friend, have you seen how small they are? A waist high wall to an Ork fully hides a grot, can't shoot what you can't see.
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>>51834545
Their job is not to do things. Their job is to sit their and not do things. Why spend more points? At the end of the day they both die just as easy to 90% of the weapons in the gane
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>>51834531
It's a mix of black legion and night lords.

I don't think the designers ever meant for these armies to appeal to any particular demographic. They just made shit that they thought was cool.
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>>51834573
Yah "Neutral" and "Edgy" armies tend to attract more female players.
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Celestine still best girl.
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>>51834623
Yvraine best girl
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>>51834545
Their job is to be forgotten. They are so shit that no one waste shooting on them.
So they silently walk up to Objective.
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>>51834573
>I don't think the designers ever meant for these armies to appeal to any particular demographic. They just made shit that they thought was cool.

The best way to make an army.

Blatant pandering polarizes communities and eventually kills games, and when it doesn't it just lowers the quality standards with no upside.
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Guys, Now that the MEGA-Hosterdude is to be delivered to US jurisdiction, we should expect MEGA to be closed, just as Kickass Torrents. Do we have an alternative for all the books and stuff we already have uploaded and available?
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>>51834637
Horatio, the most beautiful thing in the universe. The Horatio
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>>51834545
actually, i kinda played with mathhammer and grots are more efficient in shooting than slugga and shoota boys, my math can be wrong though. I checked the chances that they will wound something once in all the shoots they've got
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>>51834314
>traps aren't gay, I'm not a faggot I swear!
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>>51834193
Three years after Grey Knights do.
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>>51834664
Does anyone have an Excel template for making army list?

BS and the web list builder have too many mistakes and awful format for my liking.
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>>51834701
i just sorta add stuff together, for example math for slugga was something like
6/216+6/216*(210/216)+6/216*(210/216)^2+6/216*(210/216)^3+6/216*(210/216)^4+6/216*(210/216)^5+6/216*(210/216)^6+6/216*(210/216)^7+6/216*(210/216)^8+6/216*(210/216)^9
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>>51834714
Oh god the horror. There must be a formula for that. That literally trigger me.
Like the bastard that manually filled 1000+ lines by hand using rule of 3 for %
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>>51834726
no no no no no, the fun part is. i am not even sure if that's correct. I tried to replicate that chart
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>>51834545
>double the points
That's why.
If you're going to remove 10 wounds per turn from ignores cover guns might as well be the cheap ones.
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>>51833705
>>51833763

One Ironclad could kill the entire army by itself and not even get hurt. That army makes a Gorkanaut look like a god-like unkillable unit

Fuck a deff dread and maybe some killa kanz could wreck that nid army
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>>51834545
1. they are cheaper.
2. they have ld7 and with a squig hound they can re-roll that.
3. they are so small the enemy cant see them.
4. gotta spend points on actual good things. like mek gunz or tankbustas.
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>>51833982
a tactical space marine has 4 shooting weapons as you can throw both krak and frag grenades (only 1 per squad but still)
if he does not believe you, chaos space marines actually can buy both bolter and pistol and a CCW.
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Is there any reason to take wracks?
They just seem like a troops choice tier unit stuck in the elites section.
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Are they going to release triumvirate models as singles? I need another Celestine now that my skills have improved.
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>>51834821
they are not even good as troop choice
take them only if you like the models or need them for some haemo-coven stuff
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What's the point of the Inner Circle formation?

It's literally just a Dark Angels HQ.
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Which would you argue is the most suitable lone Knight to accompany an infantry-heavy Skitarii/CultMech list? For argument's sake include the FW knights, even though they're currently too steep for my blood.
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>>51834545
Kill a single terminator and earn your points back
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>>51833699
Overly glammed up blue and gold.
I don't have pics of either, but someone did a version where they went over some of the gokd tracery with a different blue and it looked way, way better.
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Is this too similar to the standard DAngels scheme?
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>>51834173
I wouldn't be surprised if Fulgrim and The Lion show up relatively soon, either, desu.
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how do you math hammer twin-linked stuff?
>pic related
is how single twin-linked shot looks like, but how to count the chances of wounding for multiple twin-linked shots?
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>>51835064
Mortarion too.
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>>51835021
Quite a bit.
Are you the same anon of these proud crusaders? (Not the anon of the coment, I mean the one who rolled the dices)

Because i fucking love how the chapter idea came out.

I would personally make a dark green scheme with bone details and black robes.
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>>51835126

Yup, that was me yesterday. I'm still trying to make a decent colour scehme that wouldn't be too difficult to paint. Green is fairly easy, so I want to make that the main colour, but bone and black are both tricky to do large areas of.
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>Paints I ordered over a week ago are still stuck in the mail
Its okay I didnt want to paint my Russes anyways
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>>51835103
(n*c)+((n-(n*c))*c)
Where n is the number of shots and c is the chance of hitting
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>>51835103
>>51835164
And for the entire wounding thing:
((((n*c)+((n-(n*c))*c))*w)*s)*f)
Where n is the number of shots, c is the chance to hit, w is the chance to wound, s is the chance to save, f is the chance to pass feel no pain, with any autofails (such as having no save of FnP) being equal to 1
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>>51835164
you are doing the god's work anon
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>>51835249
No problem
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>>51835021
Looking the colours of the bast majority of DA descendant's, yours are on the line.
It's ok.
https://1d4chan.org/images/2/25/Unforgiven.jpg
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Are there any guides online where I can learn to paint like this? The painting style from the early/mid 90s.

I haven't been into 40k since I was a child in the 90s and the nostalgia is getting me.

I intend to buy the classic looking weapons that are on Forgeworld too, the 90s looking weapons.

Thank very much you if you can help.
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>>51835274

Its down to the colour scheme choices a bit - make sure you use bright colours and keep it all quite clean.
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>>51835274
It's your money and you can do wathever the fuck you want with it, but, those 90s looking weapons can be pretty expensive, don't you think that might be too much just for nostalgia?

And no idea about the color scheme, sorry.
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I have two ten model troop units for Skitarii, one ranger and one vanguard. I have 2 of all the special weapons (transuranic, arc rifle, plasma caliver). Should I put my transuranics and arc rifles into the same unit to make it a dedicated vehicle killer unit and the plasma calivers into the vanguard unit for more close up troop killing?
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>>51835064
Would love a Lion one, just finished building and painting a Dark Angel army, always played Chaos and dabbled in Necrons. Dark Angels are fun as fuck.
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Holy crap I just found out about the WE rules.

Why are they so good.

Why are they tempting me so much.

>tfw KdK are nowhere near as good

Also, the rule where they can only take Khorne Daemons, does that apply to stuff like Maulerfiends? Since they only have the Daemon USR, and not DoK?
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>>51835382
>tfw 2d6 +12" charging Maulerfiends on turn 1, rerolling range
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>>51835382
Anything that can take a mark, has to be Khorne.
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>>51834446
So are Electro Priests.
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>>51835361
>just finished building and painting a Dark Angel army, always played Chaos

And you are still.
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>>51834664
Grots just trade the BS and S with slugga boyz, sluggaz should come out on top as they can wound more units.
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>>51835382
>>51835393
The Daemon part is for Princes. Daemon Engines are all just Daemons, they are fine.

The 2d6 move is only for non-vehicles
>inb4 Maulerfiends are no vehicles
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>>51834541
>Guiliman is his own faction
What? The Thousand Sons trim is pretty similar to the current CSM trim.
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>>51835439
>2d6 move
Is worthless on Maulerfiends becuase they have a 12" move by default.
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>>51835455
You don't seem to have read the rules, senpai
World Eaters get a 2d6 move pregame that is not Scout
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>>51833620
Do you have the Skitarii codex, please?
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>>51835465
Oh, I'm not the previous anon, I just thought WE had 2d6 move in general from what anon said. That's pretty good then.
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>>51835468
it's in the OP mega
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>>51834701
You can make your own template in like five minutes, tops. That's assuming you take the time to play around with fancy shit like borders and shading.
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>>51835479
Oh okay. Yeah it's their detachment bonus (decurion). Like i said only for non-vehicles, and you roll individually for each unit.
WE legion rules are Fearless, Furious Charge and Adamantium Will for all Veterans of the Long War.
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>>51835540
No no I mean to make army list.
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>>51835560
Oh, you meant "has someone build an Excel file that has every codex and supplement pre-loaded with options and shit." No, no one has built Battlescribe as an Excel file, and what the fuck makes you think it would be any less error-ridden than Battlescribe if they had?
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>>51834395

You're better off buffing the one single Repentia unit.
Add Jacobus for all his buffs, and maybe a Canoness with cloak of st. Aspira to eat small arms fire.
80% of keeping Repentia alive is playing smart, not listbuilding.
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>>51835582
Not every codex. Like someone made a format for their army.

It would be easier to fix than the BS crap or the web builder.

That's about it.
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>>51835596
How do fuck do you keep Repentias alive?
No save, T3, once per game AoF that gives 3+ FnP that sounds good in theory. But again it is once per game in a Melee unit with no save that hits last.

They are a bad unit.

Please explain me how beside sheer luck or retarded oponents ignoring the all the game.
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Guys, Now that the MEGA-Hosterdude is to be delivered to US jurisdiction, we should expect MEGA to be closed, just as Kickass Torrents. Do we have an alternative for all the books and stuff we already have uploaded and available?
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Best baneblade variant?
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>>51835711
Your mom.
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depressing
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>>51835634
Celestine the Tankface.
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holy shit the exorcist is a pain to assemble
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>>51835875
what, why
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>>51835886
Try Penitent Engines. At least Exorcist are good
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>>51835891

20 man capacity, duh
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>>51834623
>ywn create demi god children with Celestine
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Hat won't fit, brim too small. Reckon I should have him hold it instead or just leave it off?
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>>51835931
>tfw too poor for a spartan
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>>51834637
Why is she so perfect?
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>>51834829
Ebay might be your only hope for now. I haven't painted any of my triumvirate for that reason. Thankfully I have over half my army still to do so once I've honed my skills on them I will try celestine. Painting waifus is difficult, I simply won't accept any mistakes
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>>51835949
>look mom, without looking
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>>51835988
Would have been a bit better if that arm was in a more relaxed pose, I'll freely admit.
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>>51835949
That's really cool looking. I would maybe have it placed down on the base, as if he has just torn it off to reveal himself during the uprising.

Also, what is the consensus on Goliath Trucks and Rockgrinders? Are they better at getting Acolytes/Metamorphs to where they need than Cult Ambush? Or am I better off jumping around the board and hoping for that 6?
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>>51833560
So what's with Girlyman's red glowing eye at the end?
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>>51836030

You don't really need them in the decurion, but they're pretty handy in a CAD.
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>>51836030

>Just revealed himself

So before he was just your typical Commisar with a spare arm and a rending claw?
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>>51833538
[embed] as a new chaos god when
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>>51836083

"It's a power fist trooper."
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>>51836032
He is in fact Omegon.
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So, after using the electronical payment thing on GWs site instead of my credit card (which didn't work for whatever reason), will it be transfered automatically, or will I get some information how to pay them? I'm pretty sure it will be automatically, but I got an E-mail, that they will only send my package after they got the money (Or if I send them a picture of the payment confirmation), but it wasn't payed yet today (ordered yesterday in the evening). Do I have to worry, am I just stupid or is GW a bit slow?
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>>51836022
It's a cool kitbash, could've just rotated the head a bit.
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>>51836193

Yeah, but commissar has a really weird neck socket that basically also includes half the head. Had to scrape a shit ton of plastic out to even fit the head.
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I still can't think of a decent DAngels colour scheme.

I know I could just do the standard DA scheme, but that's kinda boring.
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>>51836132
Nobody has yet noticed the video isn't isn't actually of Duncan?
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>>51836264
Nobody actually cares about Duncan. We just pretend we do in a meme way
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>>51836253
blue with yellow trim
call them blue angels
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>>51836290
Angels in blue jeans?
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>>51836274
>Nobody actually cares about Duncan.

Say that to my face and not online motherfucker
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>>51836274
bruh
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>>51836330
Honey, it's ok. I love you too anon
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>>51836253

Paint them in shades of brown and beige as the Breadwing.
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>>51836306
mmmh
maybe give them some intruments black suits and hats, call them blues angels, the Imperial Space Marines, founded to antagonize Noise Marines
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>>51835021
>>51835126
I liked your old scheme, anon! it distanced itself from the sea of green a little, and the metallic color worked I think.
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>>51836403
>>51836253

Yeah, if this is the same DAngels guy from the past few days, the silver armour with green trim and black shoulders looked sweet as hell. It looked like an official scheme, I thought it was a canon chapter I hadn't heard of.
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>>51833705
I actually have that many warriors/primes, rate my 1850
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>>51836274
You wanna mess with The Dunc bruh?
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>>51836430
>>51836253
I agree, the old one was pretty good.
Had the DAngels feeling but also the Crusader's with the metalic armor.
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>>51836444
>No proper flyrant
I mean ok the mawloc is pretty bullshit but it's a terrible list.

I'd play against it with my fluffy imperium army. God I'd lose so bad...
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I told my friend to bring all the big suits he wants so next game is going to be vs 2 riptides and a stealth cadre.

Wracks deepstrike in venoms turn one and melt markerlights for first blood, hexrifle squad starts pinging wounds off his riptides.
Haemonculi marches up the table with his two doggos and draws away some enemy fire.
scourges murder firewarriors and their transports and charge stealth suit teams.
Bikes crash in to big suits.

Good plan?
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>>51836478
I only play fluffy, makes the wins that much sweeter and I just really like drowning my enemies in chitin
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>>51836403
>>51836430
>>51836465

Alright, I think I'll stick with that then. Upside is it also looks cool as fuck under a robe too.
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>>51836492
u gonna get ripti-DED
way too few AP2/1 weapons that wound a riptide reliable (T6)
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>>51836478
It's too bad the Mawloc is just built for "arrive, kill, die." I kinda wish they gave it some purpose after it comes in....
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>>51836537
Looks neat!

Do you have a name?
I've been thinking suggestion but I haven't fund anything good. Too bad "Mortificators" is taken.
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>>51835669
Oh for fucking christ sake, seriously?
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>>51836578
Still does better than most of my army. At least it arrives and kills shit. Unlike when I gave power weapons to my guard.
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>>51834189
>>51834225
>>51834287
>Sisters using psykers ever
>implying psykers would not be discovered during the Schola vetting literally every Sister goes through
>implying any Sister that later developed later psychic powers would not leave her Order, if not kill herself
>implying any self-respecting Preceptor would actually sanction the use of such vile mutants
>implying the average Sisters would also be okay with that

Nobody gives a shit if they're female or lewd, this here is fluff rape and you're a faggot for claiming you're only pretending it's retarded.
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>>51836580

Well, Angels <x> or <x> Angels is a pretty established format.

I was thinking Avenging Angels, given that's what Azrael is called in the Old Testament.
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>>51836548
But I have a ton of squads with ap2 weapons and a ton with poisoned weapons. I dont think I can take any more.
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>>51836580
some might be taken
knights lion
crusaders
Angels of honour
Angels blade/knight blades
Swords of steel
Brotherhood of Repentance
knights of honor

etc etc
but take Cyphers Chosen
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>>51836387
Give them black suits, white helmets, black eyelenses, hats, call them Blue(s) Brotherhood, and tell everybody that they are on a mission from the God-Emperor. Then find some nazi IG player and make him your archenemy.
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>>51836628
change the scourge haywire to blasters
cut your poison weapon allotment down to manageable size they do jack due to 2+ armor and FnP
Why bother with agonizers? whippin crisis?

be wary of SMS they will make your bikes fall out of the sky like no tomorrow
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>>51836665

>There's 106 lightyears to Terra, we've got a full Gellar field, half a magazine of bolter rounds, it's grimdark out, and we're wearing helmets.
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>>51836264
He's in Australia on holiday.
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>>51836697
Hit it!
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>>51836610
FoC
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>>51836684
They're modeled with haywire so I can't and the agonizer is for suits/ghostkeels as they only have a 3+.
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>>51836465
yeah agreed the metallic color made their armor look more knight-ish which not only works well with their chapter fluff but really works well with the gothic knight aesthetic of the dark angels in general
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>>51836578
The Trygon/prime/Mawloc trio should be condensed into one platform with the option to take stronger melee, the Trygon/prime guns, the prime's tunneling as an optional ability, just make the fuckers viable.
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>>51836610
Hahah.

Saint Celestine is leading a crusade full of psykers, xenos and Black Templars, all playing nice and friendly.
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>>51836759

Looks like that's what I'm going for then.

A side effect of trying to work out this scheme: I've now memorized the hexcode for Caliban Green. #005221
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>>51836741
>>51836786
>trusting nu-fluff
>thinking Suestine is indicative of the attitude of regular Sisters
So did you start playing Sisters in January or what?
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>>51836786
>Celestine leading a crusade full of psykers
>barely 100 humans rescued by eldars
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>>51836833
You do know that the batshit insane SoB are like what 2 orders? The rest is just meme.
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>>51836833
>hipster oldfag desperately tries to ignore new fluff
Sisters willingly, and happily, work with psykers and xenos for the good of them Imperium. They'd sacrifice anything for the Imperium, even their ideals.

It's perfectly fluffy to run them with psykers.
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>>51836875
She leds a crusade of eldar and humans, straight to Macragge.
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>>51836950
By accident.
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>>51836950
>She leds a crusade of eldar
>Implying any eldar will listen her order.
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>>51836889
May bad, 3 out of the 6 are batshit insane.

Bloody rose are blood angels
Our martyred lady are purging happy asshole
Valorous heart are basically PE the order.

The rest are either classical paladins as Don Quijote. Proper soldiers in boob armour or neo daughters of the emperor. Hunting and killing any non human crap.

Since we have like 10 pages of fluff for SoB in 20 fucking pages anything is fluffy for SoB
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What are some good sites for 3rd party bitz and accessories?
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>>51837031
ebay usually
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>>51837031
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/
:^)
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>>51837031
www.gamesworkshop.com
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>>51833749

so what?
you can just add them via the ministorum delegation.
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>>51837031
I've got some Kromlech Khopeshes and Egypt Heads scattered throughout my Thousand Sons, and all of my combi-weapons are their modular knock-off (ended up converting plasma pistols to replace their plasma-knock-off).
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>>51833745
Pleb says what?
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>>51833708
Check out this miserable sack of shit
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>>51835634
Target saturation, tanky character in the front, limit enemy fire lines. If you hate the fluff, throw in some psykers.

For 14 PPM with Fleet, Rage, 2A, and an Eviscerator, you can't expect them to be that durable. You need to send them at the right target, and you need to make sure that they aren't the only threat available and that the enemy can't pour fire onto them from all sides.
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>>51836454
Bruv
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>>51837215
I can understand him a bit. Aside from the imperial superfriends, Eldar and now Space Marines no other faction got any new models out of it (at least so far).
I guess they may come later this year, but so far I'm only interested in Girlyman, but I would have liked to see at least a new model for Trazyn or maybe Abaddon.
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>>51835321
i feel like you better forget the arquebuse, they are shit
or run them in small squad of 5 dudes

you don't want them with your arc rifle, since they are quite short ranged
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Will GW ever update their 20 odd year old space marine bike kits?
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>>51833560
>Cypher still shown with CSM in the trailer
So, will we get to use him or what? Variant list for non-legion CSM maybe?
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>>51837306
Yes and no. The marine upper body has. The rest is the same.
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>>51837288
FoC was a annoying from a release stand point.

Cadia home of the poster boys of the Guard, got nothing.
The enemy got nothing
SoB got a demon? The fuck?
Inquisition got a Psyker that hate herself.

The only that got something nice was the Mechanicus but even then he is just the meme that blew up Cadia.

FoC was a bad release.
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>>51837359
Proof that nids are a top tier army
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>>51837375
So is that actually a decent list? I just whipped it together with things that seemed to work.
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What would be a good 500pts TSons army?
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>>51837400
A couple Sorcerers and some Cultists. Maybe a single squad of Rubricae in a Rhino.

TSons are super expensive, so your options at 500 are limited.
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>>51835439
>inb4 maulerfiends are not vehicles
But they aren't. Pretty sure they have the walker USR.
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>>51837306
They should aspire to make all newer models as dynamic as the Stormbros on emus.

>>51837412
Ah, thanks.
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>>51833560
>MFW I'm literally the only person at the LGS who's happy Guilliman is back.
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>>51837429
That model looks incredibly silly.
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>>51837442
Guiliman being back is fine, but the model is stupid and I'm skeptical that the fluff is going to be good.
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>>51837442
>wanting normal humans and astartes to lose all their relevance in favor of daddy issue wars 2: electric boogaloo
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>>51837472
>Space Marines
>irrelevant
>when they brought back a primarch and managed to include the Ultramarines in an event that happened on the other side of the galaxy
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>>51837442
right with you brother
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>>51837418
walkers are a vehicle subtype. It's why they are "Vehicle,walker" in their unit type
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>>51837309
Doesnt he have his own detachment?
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>>51837386
Better than literally anything nids can bring with just their codex
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>>51837547
It is an old meme anon.

Some retard went turbo trying to prove walkers are not vehicles.

Now Celestine being a SoB is an outright lie
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Any news on IA 14?
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>>51837570
AH, guess i fell for the bait, not realizing. Thanks for that.
damn
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>>51837556
No, he can just be included in most of the Imperial codexes and CSM without eating a Force Org slot. He also has a formation of himself plus some CSM Chosen that aren't allowed to take Chaos options.
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>>51837644
>"We have more men than they have ammunition!"
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>>51837386
You should put mining lasers on your chimera neophytes and run a subterranean uprising instead of a doting throng.

pretty okay though
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>>51837472
>>51837454
Oh don't get me wrong, there are concerns. Big ones. But at the same time, any marine player is going to be glad if their primarch comes back. Except the Iron Warriors perhaps, they'd just be confused, but I don't think anyone actually plays them in 40k, so it all works out.
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>>51837429
For some reason what strikes me as the most stupid thing of that miniature is the faact that he's using some kind of tomahawk.

WHY???
JUST USE A FUCKING LANCE
FOR SIGMAR'S SAKE.
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>>51837697
Because he's not a knight. He's a hunter sort of thing.
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>>51836158
I-is there an answer to this? I must know!
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>>51833745
>Guilliman being Ormuzd, Ahriman's brother, confirmed.

Sweet.
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>>51837683
I get that this is just a joke, and most of these make sense, but chainblade and flamer confuse me. Having worked as a lumberjack I can tell you that wounds from a chainsaw don't usually result in death as long as there's medical assistance nearby, and if you look at stories from WWII and Vietnam, unless you're getting totally doused in flames, you're probably not going to die right away, the real risk comes from prolonged lack of medical care. A modern hospital can save people who have burns all over their body, and we don't have future tech.
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>>51837705
Yeah? Hunters use spears too. If you don't have a projectile weapon, a spear is pretty much the best way to go.
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>>51834268
Looking at the chaos book and it appears not as the chaos daemon prince has no specific rules stating it is exempt from landing and charging immediately, same goes for the daemon codex which is why I like keepers over flying units when it comes to the assault. This leads to my daemon princes becoming support units.
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>>51837774
A spear is not a lance.
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>>51837690
>Iron Warriors
By which I meant Iron Hands.
>>
what's an inexpensive but good looking way to make a battlefield board
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>>51837803
A lance is just a spear with a different kind of handle. Are you one of those fuckers who corrects someone when they call a rapier a sword?
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>>51837835
Not him, but
>A lance is just a spear with a different kind of handle
wat.
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>>51837697
They do use spears, there's just an option to give him an axe.
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>>51837815
I method i've used in the past involved throwing handfulls of glitter/coarse dust/finely shredded paper/whatever all over a board so that it poorly covers the board. Then you spray over it with a color (usually green or brown if you're doing a forest or grassland board), and then when it's mostly dry you scrape over it with a hard piece of plastic or metal, which will leave you with uneven, spotty color coverage. Then you do it again with the next color (usually green or brown), and after you've done this a couple times you end up with something that resembleds a patchy forest floor, and all it cost you was a board and two cans of spraypaint.

If you're going for a more urban road or staging area type look, a good way to go is to use ceiling or wall texturing, spray it on, spray on the first coat of paint, then scrape it down till the texturing looks about how you want it to, then spray on a second coat of paint and some matte clear coat, then you end up with something that actually kind of looks like concrete.
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>>51837726
Well, isn't the promethium used for flamers basically napalm though? And a chainsword is a bit bigger than a normal chainsaw, I guess. And it's probably aimed at your vital areas. By a walking tank.
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>>51837894
Oh ok, good grief.
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>>51837894
WE
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>>51837726
The irony is palpable. Flamethrowers were used for bunkers where the smoke would asphyxiate your enemies, and against tanks to turn the metal box into an oven, cook off ammo, and set engine fires.

But of course no game realizes this: they make tanks and bunkers immune to flamethrowers, restrict the range to point-blank, and make it an anti-infantry weapon.
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>>51837815
He might be of help: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheTerrainTutor/videos
Depending on what you want to build, of course. And if you don't mind the britbong accent, okay.
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>>51837852
Well if you want to be really technical, pretty much any spear taller than a man that's held by a guy on a horse is now a lance. If you look at 19th century cavalryman's lances, they're basically just 6-8 foot spears.

You two are likely thinking of a great lance.
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>>51837910
WUZ
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>>51837918
>bunkers immune
They Ignore Cover senpai
I'll give you the tanks, though No Escape exists
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Hi all, I was in last thread looking for help building Space Marines. I stated I've only played Orks so far and didn't really know all that much when it came to building Space Marines but some other anons helped me onto my feet. How is this list for a target to build towards?
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>>51837957
Hunters of a variety of wild beasts and enemies of Sigmar.
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>>51837918
>Flamethrowers were used for bunkers where the smoke would asphyxiate your enemies, and against tanks to turn the metal box into an oven, cook off ammo, and set engine fires.
I actually didn't know that. Interesting. It makes sense if you stop and think about it. Unless you're clearing a trench or a bunker, there's really no situation I could think of where a flamethrower would be better for anti-infantry than a machine gun and grenades.
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>>51837983
N
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>>51837987
Other than setting jungles on fire, there really isn't
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>>51838014
SHIEEEEEET
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>>51837918
>and against tanks to turn the metal box into an oven, cook off ammo, and set engine fires.
the problem with this is while it could work against ork or human vehicles you have a lot of very different vehicles like eldar skimmers where a flamethrower is questionable
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>>51837987
Wouldn't they also be better against nids?
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>>51837726

Flamers use liquid promethium, which means not actually flame, but the dousing jelly gasoline type of military flamethrower. Even if they don't die from immolation, I augmented humans will likely die from the severe third to fourth degree burns and shock

Chainsaws as weapons don't make sense but it's explained as multiple rows of teeth that can alternate direction. This mean it's not as clean a cut as real life, and you're basically just pulping the victim and ripping huge chunks out of them, grinding shattered armor together with flesh
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>>51834301
I mostly see Eldar/Dark Eldar, Tyranids and Daemons in that order. Sometimes they play CSM or Guard. Conceptually girls like SoB, but they don't like the expensive old metal models. I've never seen or heard of girls playing Orkz.

>>51834346
Girls like pretty things, cute things and monsters. I don't really know why girls like Guard. Some people put forth the idea that it's men in uniform, but I think it's because they are brave little dudes, because girls don't really like tanks or vehicles.

Point is they aren't super into no personality, arrogant beefcakes in power armor. Sometimes they like Chaos Space Marines because they have a lot of monsters and they might like the idea of having little renegades as their slaves.
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>>51834500
No, but it makes them a more creative and interesting army. Space Marines are super boring and a total male power fantasy. I'm big and tough and dutiful and me and my battle brothers use tactics and follow a strict code. Literally nothing about Space Marines is interesting to most girls.

CSM on the other hand has lots of crazy stuff, good conversion options, lots of fun fluff for girls to get behind because they are crazy people and so are girls.
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>>51838101
That must be the most beta thing I've read in a long time, but I get your point
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>>51838060
I'd imagine if you douse a horde of Gaunts with burning promethium all you'd achieve is that the bugs that eat you are on fire while doing it
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>>51838115
My point was already made, I just thought I'd throw that in for a laugh, but I guess it does come across as "women are crazy and awful that's why I fuck traps because they aren't crazy and they like all the same stuff as me".
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>>51838143
Nids don't feel pain?
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>>51838060
I don't think so. Nids have lots of close range firepower and melee, so I wouldn't want to let them get close enough that they're within range of a flamethrower.

>>51838063
The flamer bit makes sense, but even with multiple rows of alternating teeth, modern anti-saw clothing would still stop it, so Mr Marine is basically just swinging around a club after he hits that first guardsman. Granted, that won't slow him down much, but it's worth considering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah-FmYnaIWw
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>>51838168
Not while they're within synapse range, which outside of the board game is pretty much always.
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>>51838101
>the ideal male world is one in which there are no women and it's just dudes enjoying the bonds of brotherhood and doing their duty
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>>51838170
>modern anti-saw clothing would still stop it
If anyone has those. The rule of cool forbids such things.
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>>51838170
>anti-saw clothing
Most chain blades in 40k use mono-molecular edged teeth. Cloth simply isn't going to stop that.
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>>51838212
YOU TAKE THAT BACK
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>>51838205
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>>51838170

Were you not aware chainswords had adamantium teeth?

We literally have no examples of super sharp alternating chainswords in real life so why you think a cloth jamming it up is relevant is beyond me.
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>>51838269
Chainsaw proof clothing doesn't work by being uncuttable. Watch that youtube video. The saw cuts into the cloth just fine, the issue comes up when you have super strong plastic threads getting pulled into the engine assembly and the links in the chain, which gums up the whole assembly before it can cut deeply.
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>>51838292
see >>51838308
It's not about the cloth being uncuttable, it's about the high torque engine suddenly having a ton more resistance at a thousand different points within its workings.
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>>51838308

At which point the chainsword user simply reverses the cutting direction and removes the jam. Mr. Lumberjack here is just retarded, like most complaints about 40k and GW. There's so many valid complaints you could make about those two things like sponsons shooting disembarking occupants yet retards pick the most retarded non issues like hurrrrr chainswords are 100% identical to chainsaws
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>>51838308
But anon chainswords have nano-molecular-bullshit-teeth.

Why are you trying to apply real world logic to 40k? At least try to use in universe logic.
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>>51838190
This. If you're in a situation against Nids who don't have synapse, you're clearing out someplace where the dumb bugs have dug in after the main invasion has been stopped.
Confined spaces aren't really the best place for either side to be shooting flamers. Unless you have a rebreather
>>51838308
And a mono-molecular edge made of adamantium would slice clean through your "super strong plastic threads" without effort. That's the whole point of the edge being mono-molecular, it cuts the very molecules of whatever is being cut (in this case, the plastic strands) apart. The plastic wouldn't and couldn't get cut. A mono-molecular edge is so sharp that just running your finger across it, without effort, can cut to and through the bone.
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>>51838388
And yet it's ap-
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>>51838454
3rd made some strange changes.
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Does anyone remember or has recently ordered this (Eldar Corsair conversion kit) from FW? I've been checking in on it for some time, but it's out of stock. No luck finding something on ebay either.
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>>51838350
>At which point the chainsword user simply reverses the cutting direction and removes the jam.
Okay, tell you what: why don't you go grab your electric drill, remove the side panel, and drop some fishing wire in there while it's running. It's going to jam up. Now reverse the direction of the drill's spin, and run it again to watch it magically come unjammed! Or more likely not, because the direction in which the external parts of a machine are moving is generally just the result of a single gear changing, not a full reversal of the engine. When you put your car into reverse, it doesn't reverse the direction your pistons are cycling. Ditto for pretty much any tool. The sharpness of the blade has almost nothing to do with why the saw stops.

If the threads ONLY catch in the blade you might be right, but they also get pulled into the engine, which is where the real damage is done.

>>51838352
I'm pretty sure I am. See above.

>>51838388
Also see above.
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>>51838473
>implying the drill has the same parts and works the same way as a weapon 38,000 years in the future
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Current project. Anvil industry for the bits
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>>51838502
>Implying basic mechanical and engineering principles don't apply in the future
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>>51838473
>Also see above.
yeah, my whole point was that nothing can possibly ever jam up a chain blade weapon since the mono-molecular teeth wouldn't pull anything. Anything designed to stop a modern chainsaw would just be cut and fall away when met with a chainsword.
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>>51838532
They don't if the design or materials allow for it.
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>>51838543
So you can invent a mono molecular metal blade, but you can't invent a mono molecular fibre with high tensile strength, something that already exists in the real world today?
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>>51838473
Space Fucking Science Magic of the super far future!

Why the fuck are you insisting on M2 tech when it is M41 tech.

We are talking of a settin where humans had mini guns that shot miniature black holes and guns that shot demons.

I don't think you understand how silly it looks.

Titans make sense here! Fucking huge humanoid robots that walk and punch shit.
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>>51838532
They don't. Techpriests have disassembled Ork guns to find them just full of loose nuts and bolts and no actual working mechanisms.
Technology doesn't mean shit in 40k's setting.
You have to say a prayer when unloading and reloading your lasgun or it might get moody and tell you to fuck off.
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>>51836578
Tyranids shouldnt have lost the old smash rule, that way all the monstrous creatures have a chance to do something before dying
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>>51835969
Yvraine confirmed hottest guy in the galaxy
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>>51838561
According to the rule of cool, the answer to your question is ___YES___
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>>51838552
>there are so many different ways to make a chainsaw
That's the first time I'd like to add a smug anime girl to my post.
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>>51838473
Space Marines can extract memories by eating brains. 40K gives exactly zero fucks about reason or logic.
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>>51838595
There fucking are when you have 38,000 years to fucking work on it.

Holy shit, Anon.
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>>51838595
>chainsaw
>chainsword

Know the difference it might save your life
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>>51838552
Yes, and no one has pointed out any situations in which they wouldn't allow for it. Okay, the blades have a monomolecular edge. Cool. That really doesn't matter in a situation where the blade is being stopped because the ENGINE is jammed, no the blade. Okay, so the tips of the blade are monomolecular. Is every part of the chain assembly somehow made out of monomolecular blades? If so, then congratulations, you're right. If not, if there's *any* part of the chainblade's chain you could touch without getting cut, that part is going to drag some fibres into the engine, and that shit's getting jammed.

>>51838564
>titans make sense here
But they don't make sense there. People use them, but they don't make sense.

As for why? Because I enjoy it. Because thinking about the science in fiction is fun.

>>51838567
Right! And we don't pretend that would make sense in our world, do we?

>>51838610
Right! However, when people start acting like some part of it would world in real life, it's fun to explain why it wouldn't, or hear them explain to you why it would. See the discussions above about how flamer weapons are used in real life vs. how they're used in warhammer.
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>>51838656

Don't the engines jam all the time in the books? I recall quite a few times during Night Lords when their blade is jammed with gore.
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Has anyone ever made a working chainsword? I feel like that would have happened by now, considering how long 40k has been around.
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>>51838691
Yeah, but they're just chainsaws with fancy handles.
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>>51838691
You can't make a chainsword with today tech. No matter how autistic you try to be like >>51838656
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>>51838691
Yes. It's on Youtube. No adamantium blade tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gj8pAN7Y7E
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>>51838656
>Titans not making sense in 40k

Yep you know nothing about 40k, have your (you)
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>>51838738
>no adamantium blade

Might as well be swinging a giant vibrator
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>>51838454
Being mono edged doesn't actually make it that good at cutting hard materials.
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>>51838690
In any of the Imperial Guard books I've read, they never jam, the teeth just fly off to prevent the chain from not spinning.
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>>51838656
>science in fiction
Your mistake was thinking 40k was science fiction. It isn't.
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>>51838776
But it has space ships and uses science words occasionally!
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>>51838791
> Techobabble = SciFi
People actually believe this
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>>51838656
So there's Chainswords that use "self-sustaining energy generators", so fuck your engines.
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>>51838745
>Yep you know nothing about 40k, have your (you)
Yeah, not that anon, but just because they exist doesn't mean it makes sense. There are also guard commanders whose solution to a charging carnifex is to fix bayonets, which makes no sense, but they still do it. Ditto for titans. A giant humanoid war machine is one of the most inefficient ways to spend resources that you could think of. I can go into detail about why if you care, but long story short, there's no situation in which it makes more sense to build a dude-shaped war machine that big than to build a tank or train shaped war machine that big.
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>muh mono-molecular blades!
>ap-
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>>51838776
>thinking you can't apply science to fantasy
As long as something has internally consistent rules, you can apply science to it.
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>>51838833
Missed you, CheetahBro
You just get unbanned or were you taking a break?
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>>51838837
>40k
>Internally consistent
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wait, there are people who take 40k serious?
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>>51838859
Autists
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>>51838656
Orks and Chaos use literal magic to make their shit go, probably Eldar too.
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>>51838859
It's like anything if you weren't there from the beginning, you don't fully understand it and take it at face value. Most of us who were there from the RT/2nd/3rd edition understand it's cheeky.
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>>51838855
No I'm not the cheetahfag, just saved his pics ;)
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>>51838884
You absolute madman.
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>>51838856
Everything is canon, but that doesn't make it true.
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>>51838890
What happened with that guy though? Haven't seen him post in a while.
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>>51838859
If you think a few minute's worth of discussion on 4chan makes something serious, you need to rethink your life.

But to answer your question, yes.
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>>51838884
>saved his pics
>pics don't have a chan filename
nice try, cheetahcunt
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>>51838934
No idea, he just stopped posting. Might have been banned.
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>>51838760

So the books are wildly inconsistent. Sounds about right.
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>>51838938
I literally just googled 'laughing cheetah meme' and got the exact same pics.

>>51838940
That's probably for the best, though I'm going to miss some of the rarer cats he posted.
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>>51838944
Wild inconsistencies are the fucking backbone of this setting. Nothing is more important and integral to 40k than the discrepancies in the lore. It's really the only thing I truly enjoy about this shit.
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>>51838944
Which is why BL is not and should not be considered canon.
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>>51838971
we know it's you, faggot
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>>51838976
>Nothing is more important and integral to 40k than the discrepancies in the lore.
How do you figure?
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>>51838989
Well the alternative is the whole "Codices are the only true canon" thing, which is retarded in its own way.
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>>51838820
They are both a plataforma for space ship grade weapons, when using a ship is not possible.

But the main reason? Terror and shock value. Titans are dick waving contest. They work as a giant fuck you to the enemy.

Also they are the avatars of the Ominissiah's will and power.

If you can't make sense to that in a Space Opera then you should looking at other medias.

I'll give you that Tau Titans make no sense in universe and in real life. Eldar, Ork, Imperial, Nid and Chaos Titan make perfect sense in universe
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>>51839001
>How do you figure?
because it's the only thing all the fluff has in common.
Also, it's totally in line with the satire that 40k was initially going for.
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>>51838833

The only reason chain weapon AP is so bad is because of THOSE FUCKING AELDARI
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>>51839021
>Titans are dick waving contest.
You know what makes more sense than waving your dick in a setting where 90% of the enemies you're fighting are either immune to fear or have their own titans? Devoting the energy and resources you spent on that titan to making more effective units.

You know what's better for morale than having a god machine walking next to you? Winning the war.
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>>51838833
>muh super human clad in ceramite
>W1 3+
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>>51839034
What was it initially going for?
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>>51839051
>his chainsword isn't s+1 ap6 and silent
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>>51839063
Titans were apparently successful enough for the Tau to invest in emulating them though. Within the setting, titans obviously work.
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>>51839013
Why?
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>>51839081
Yes, and that was definitely a fluff thing and not just GW's trend over the past few years of using big, new, shiny models as the centerpiece for a new army update.
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>>51839063
Oh god stop, you don't understand 40k at all.

And do not care to understand either
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>>51839092
Because if you go purely based on what the codices say, then you end up with shit like Super Saiyan Draigo and Abby the Armless, which while very memable are shit lore.
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>>51839065
b-but toughness 4!
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>>51839071
>He wasn't here in the early days
>pic related

Before 2nd ed 40k was much more heavy handed in being satire about how eternal warmongering, fascism, etc etc is just stupid. That's why to outsiders 40k IS stupidly over the top. Originally it wasn't that way for the sake of it, it had a real message. It was goofier in a lot of ways, but nobody was taking it seriously, shitting around about how titans don't make sense.
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>>51839123
I understand WHY it happens, but that doesn't mean it makes sense within the lore. The imperium isn't run by smart people. I get it. But that doesn't mean their actions make sense, it just means it makes sense for stupid people to make stupid decisions.
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>>51839145
>he doesn't realize 80% of the people currently playing 40k weren't even alive when the game started
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>>51839156
>The imperium isn't run by smart people. I get it. But that doesn't mean their actions make sense, it just means it makes sense for stupid people to make stupid decisions
So their actions make sense within the setting? I'm glad you reached understanding. Well done, anon.
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>>51839145
Perhaps I should have asked "What do you think it was initially going for?"

Different people have told me wildly different stories about how things worked in those "good old days"
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>>51839065
W1 fits them well enough though. The extra organs are meant to act as a placeholder until medical attention is available. They're also T4 which is more than average humans.

I agree 3+ is too low for power armor, though.
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>>51839138
It may have bad fluff but at least it's consitent.
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>>51839182
No, the fact that they're making those decisions make sense. The decisions themselves do not make sense. Are you being facetious are are you just literally incapable of comprehending nuance? If a retard decides to jam a whole potato down his throat and dies, the news that this happened isn't surprising, because it makes sense for a retard to retard themselves to death. That doesn't mean the decision to do that is sensible.
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>>51839121

Because Imperial, Eldar, and Ork Titans haven't existed since 1st Edition.
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>>51839183
'good' is too strong a word for the early days. Campy is more accurate.
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>>51839202
>at least it's consistent
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>>51839221
Not an argument.
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>>51839204

No you don't understand, this is a universe where giant man shaped mechs are more effective than tanks. The Tau LOST in a tanks v. mechs fight, the hyper advanced eldar have had titans since the start of the game. This is a setting where "what is cool" and "what is effective" are one and the same. From an IN UNIVERSE perspective, Titans are good.
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>>51839204
>The decisions themselves do not make sense.
They do. "Stupid people make stupid decisions". You said so yourself.
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>>51838468
Heard something about FWs mold being broken. I'd look into getting them from Chinaman if I were you, might take a while until FW restocks them
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>>51839170
This

40k's like 30 years old and most people don't get into wargaming until at least their teens
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>>51839211
Yes, but for the longest time the tau were the faction that GW used to poke fun at all the weird quirks of the setting's other armies.
>melee in the far future when you have guns doesn't make much sense
>giant humanoid war robots don't make much sense
>magic in space doesn't make much sense
>wormholes through hell don't make much sense

The tau were always the straight man of the setting, if you will. GW is just starting to set that aside because they think it'll make them money.
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>>51839258
Didn't the Tau just switch over to aircraft to kill titans and it worked fine? They haven't had enough fights against titans to realize the universe is rule of cool yet, which is why it's out of place for them.
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>>51839258
But they're logically practical too. Basically land-space ships used to bring high-caliber weapons where the actual ships would not be available.

Say, for example, a siege.
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>>51839282
as i recall they were doing alright in the air but they couldn't keep it up
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>>51839258
>giant man shaped mechs are more effective than tanks
Yes, the argument was never that they aren't effective, it's that he resources would be better spent in other ways: they're inefficient.

There's really no situation in which it makes more sense to build a giant dude-shaped war machine than it makes to build a giant tank-shaped war machine, something even GW themselves acknowledged back in the day by having squat engineers point out that land trains and moving fortresses are a lot more structurally sound than a humanoid titan, and having said squat trains be MUCH more durable than a titan while losing no firepower. It's not a matter of whether or not they're better than a tank, it's a matter of efficiency.

>The Tau LOST in a tanks v. mechs fight
Yes, then they used mantas and tigersharks to assfuck titans, and the imperium took a bunch of losses where having 1000 leman russes would have served them much better than having 1 titan.
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>>51839275
fuck you, young people.
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>>51839299
Yes, but how would it be better to stick that on a titan rather than doing what the squats, orks, and necrons do, and sticking it on a big moving fortress?

If you blow a leg off a titan, it's fucked. If you blow a wall out of a titan, warfortress, or land train, there's a really good chance it's going to keep on trucking. Or trukking, as it were.
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>>51839282
Shit fell apart around the Damocles wars. The Tau NEEDED shit like their own titans and Breachers to win on Imperial worlds. So, they more or less abandoned their old doctrine for pragmatism.
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>>51839324
Really? Because from what I recall in the Taros campaign they made the Titan legions retreat out of fear of losing them because it was so effective.

Up until the new fluff, it was Tigersharks and Mantas as the primary titan killers with big D railguns, and suicide crisis teams or Hammerhead squadrons as the backup.

Deciding to make even bigger mechs to counter titans is kind of out of left field when all of their current counters to titans have been everything else, and they've been working just fine.
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>>51838468
China has all of your solutions, friend.
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>>51839282
It was the other way around

Tau initially use aircraft to counter titans. Then GW forgot Tau made fun of the setting and give them titans too.
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>>51839259
Read it again. You're missing the nuance. If you read it again and it still doesn't make sense, read it again. At some point, your reading comprehension skills will kick in.
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>>51839357
>The Tau NEEDED shit like their own titans to sell more giant robot models for GW

ftfy
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>>51838060
Absolutely not. Nids carapaces are honeycombed with cysts containing an insulating fire-retardant gel called tyrgel, and synapse renders the psychological effects completely moot- you won't scare any of them away and even the ones that are set on fire are still going to jump into your lines and rip into guys, except now they're even deadlier because they're fucking on fire.
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>>51839204
I think you need to realise that the Imperium of Man is a languishing bloated tumour kept on life support. The Imperium is so inefficient that Imperial tithes arrive hundreds of years after their usefulness has run out, entire planets have died in famine because a food ship did not deliver exports to it because the planet was recorded as dead and was later recolonised and an Imperial Scribe was still working through a backlog stretching thousands of years, Imperial armies arrive to a planet long since doomed, Space Marine Chapters who have long since turned renegade are requested for miltary support, and on some Imperial planets, the population believes Emperor is still alive and the Great Crusade is still being waged because they've not had any fucking contact for millenia.

The Imperium does not act in any coherent fasion because it is decidedly INCOHERENT.

My god you are fucking retarded.
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>>51839357
>The Tau NEEDED shit like their own titans and Breachers to win on Imperial worlds.
Except they didn't? The lore says that the tau just used mantas and tigersharks.

There's really no situation in which it makes more sense to put two legs on your tank instead of 4 or 8 legs, or grav generators, or whatever. Having only two legs means you're one structural collapse away from being rendered totally ineffective. At least when you blow a tank's tracks off you still have a giant bunker covered in guns, and if you've got a big spider walker that loses a leg, it can still walk, albeit a bit slower.
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>>51839393

But then why do the Eldar use titans?
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>>51839402
The explanation is simple.
Taros Campaign is Forge World fluff.
Riptides and Stormsurges are main codex stuff.
Tau'nar came out after GW whipped FW into retconning.
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>>51839378
Well maybe if you bought more of the planes FW tried to sell you, GW wouldn't have to have tried selling tau titans.
Just remember, this shit is all because Tau players didn't want to support the brand.
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>>51839402
Dunecrawler Ordinatus When?
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>>51839410
Because the Eldar are a space enigma who do shit just because they're better than you and fuck you.

That's literally it for fluff.

The other reason is because titans are fucking awesome and awesome shit is awesome, which is awesome. Christ. Why does fiction have to be realistic?
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>>51839393
You're missing the point. I KNOW that the imperium is stupid. I keep saying that. But that doesn't mean their decision makes sense. If you hand advanced calculus to a 3rd grader, it makes sense that they'll get the answer wrong, but that doesn't mean their answer of "2" is correct. Just because you expected someone to get something wrong doesn't mean that their fuckup is right. I'm not saying that the imperium deciding to use titans doesn't make sense. I'm saying that titans themselves are a stupid design.
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>>51839459
She looks like she fell asleep against glass and her face stayed that way.
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>>51839435
>It's your fault for not buying overpriced resin flyers to kill titans in your 1000 point army!

Or, they could have just not been stupid.
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>>51839402
Simple, if the enemy has weapons to destroy the leg of the Titans then either you fuck up hard or the enemy has titans of their own.

Table top can suck my tiny dick regarding how shit works in the fluff or their unit description.
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>ITT autistis confuse rule of cool with making practical sense, and other autists try to explain why they shouldn't.
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>>51839282
Wait a few weeks/months/years for Fires of Cyraxus.
The Tiger Shark and Manta will be getting an update.
But so will the two Riptide variants and the Supremacy Suit.
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>>51839479
I think her face is the cutest official sister.
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>>51839487
>ITT: Autists Austist Autistically

FTFY
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>>51839355
I don't get your point? A warfortress would be even more of a resourse dump and even harder to move around systems.

Titans are situational weapons, which is why they are so rare.
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>>51839459
Well fuck I thought the recast had a derp face. Guess the original is just as bad.
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>>51839470
>But that doesn't mean their decision makes sense
THE REASON IT MAKES SENSE IS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT MAKE SENSIBLE DECISIONS HOLY FUCKING SHIT HOW HARD IS THIS TO GRASP
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>>51839459

>Pulpit
Believe me Anon, you want to paint *then* assemble.
At the very least do this for the servitor and the sister.
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>>51839380
>Nids carapaces are honeycombed with cysts containing an insulating fire-retardant gel called tyrgel
Even average gaunts? Because they'd get killed in droves by that on the table.
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>>51839487
the rule of cool has an explanation in-universe, though. retardanon doesn't seem to understand this
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>>51839531
Oh I know. Most of it isn't glued on yet.
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>>51839482
>Simple, if the enemy has weapons to destroy the leg of the Titans then either you fuck up hard or the enemy has titans of their own.
Which doesn't at all explain why it makes more sense to have 2 legs instead of 8, or tracks, or wheels. Also, titans don't carry the biggest weapons in 40k, that honor goes to orbital forts, fortresses, starships, and ordinatus(es? ordinati?). And if you happen to be fighting any of those things, it makes a hell of a lot more sense to be in a weapons platform that's closer to the ground (IE a titan shaped like a tank) instead of a retardedly large humanoid object that stands out against the horizon like a sore thumb.

So yeah, that doesn't work. Try again.
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>>51839487
It is more of a case retarded anon does not understand rule of cool works in universe and it is being a dense mother fucker when people try to explain that.
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>>51839481
FW wasn't being stupid, they were just looking at it from a practical standpoint rather than a sales standpoint, because Tau used to be the sensible, realistic ones in the setting.

>>51839503
>A warfortress would be even more of a resourse dump
I disagree. Consider that a war fortress is basically just a titan - the head and legs + tracks.
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>>51839510
Okay, at this point I'm like 99% sure you're just trolling, no one is that retarded.
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>>51839539
The table is shit for representing the fluff.

You could argue that gaunts still die in droves just because they're so small, but the fact is that setting a bunch of fast-moving utterly fearless undeterrable close combat monsters on fire with a short range weapon is still a fucking terrible idea and will do more damage to your own guys than it will to them.
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>>51839553
Ordinatii, anon.
Those things are a lot more practical, as that goes for the Mechanicus. Just build a Titan-sized gun instead of a Titan and play Sniper Elite with 40-metre robots. Fun. Or just guard said Ordinatii with Titans themselves like regular mortars with infantry, play 40k at 28m scale.
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>>51839553
They have both.

But you are acting more stupid than 40k right now.

Titans are both "putting a God on the battlefield" and putting a weapon that works when none of the other example is possible.

Titans are mother fucking Gods of War, that in table top a bunch of naked guns with dildos can take them down in melee is another thing altogether.
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>>51838473

>Being this autistic
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>>51839543
>>51839562
You're both missing what the other is saying, and everyone involved looks like a bunch of screaming retards.

He's saying that they don't make practical sense; that there are better ways to spend the resources, which there objecitvely are.

You're saying that it makes sense for the imperium to do stupid, showy things, which it objectively does.

You are both, objectively 100% correct, but are arguing two totally different points.

>autism
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so no one's mentioned Sho'Aun who pushed for giant robots in tau tech development? i think he heard that chicks dig giant robots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7PjQnw_E0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7PjQnw_E0U
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>>51839623
>40k
>Sense

It is a bloody space Opera.

It makes perfect sense to have an avatar of your god walking around.

For some reason in universe explanation are hard to understand.
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>>51839612
see >>51839063
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>>51839575
Well if that's the only difference, then I recon legs have the advantage of ignoring terrain and allowing you to stomp shit.
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>>51839553
titans originate from an era of technological exceptionalism, and are the most powerful surviving relics of that era. when you wage war you pick your most powerful shit and use it, right?

let me explain:
imperial titans exist because the imperium found them and were like HOLY SHIT THIS IS FUCKING POWERFUL and consequently put them to use — like most of the superpowerful shit they have they're irreplacable and the imperium does not know how they work
eldar titans are the same but the eldar can and would improve them if they weren't under constant threat of annihilation. time is the biggest killer to eldar supremacy. if they were as bloated as the imperium in terms of manufacturing capability they'd be able to devote time to upgrade their shit.
ork titans exist because orks build bigger and bigger shit until they either win the war and start squabbling amongst themselves or they're destroyed. stompas are usually the biggest thing they can build before either outcome is reached.
tyranid biotitans are an evolutionary response to existing titans. they exist because the tyranids need them. a form of war escalation.
tau titans exist for the exact same escalation reason as nids.
>>51839623
but anon is wrong because he's arguing the point from a non-canonical point of view. a metaview, if you will. which is retarded. metafags should be euthanized.
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>>51839655
>You are both, objectively 100% correct, but are arguing two totally different points.
>agrees, but keeps arguing

>autism
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What 40k needs is titans that carry macro cannons and other capital ship guns
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>>51839601
That's assuming they aren't burnt to a crisp before they jump you. Remember flamers shoot burning prometheum, not just fire.
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>>51839673
see >>51839675

He's not wrong. You're not wrong. Shut up and quit shitting up the thread.
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>>51839657
see
>>51839655

40k is a Space Opera, a parody of war. It is meant to look cool and awesome in a time when turbo geek science fiction was not cool or fun.

Stop being so dense.
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>>51839673
Ordinatii dude. They're smaller, lower to the ground, easier to make, have comparable firepower, and you can make a dozen of the things for each titan you make.
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>>51839673
The Mechanicus does build new Titans, anon. Secretly, because the Imperium would throw a bitchfit, and very slowly because they are working off existing Titans and incomplete blueprints, but they are there.

>>51839682

That's an Ordinatus, anon. One was literally an Ark Mechanicus Macrocannon on tracks with an autoloader, those are so hilariously huge it gives Warlords penis envy.
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Wouldn't imperium just stomp on absolutely everything if they weren't so steeped in superstition and dogma?
So basically, if they started working on the same "ethics" I'm not sure if that's the word I'm looking for as before the Emperor got interred?
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>>51839704
Not till the chainsword and the titan haters leave the hobby for ever. Since they are fucking retards.
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>>51839262
>>51839368
A quick run down of how and where? I please.
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>>51839727
No but it needs to be a walker to be a titan
Otherwise it's just a really big tank innit
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>>51839704
>this guy is retarded
>why is he being retarded? that doesn't make sense!
literally his argument lmao
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>>51839732
Not really, since they started using that dogma for a reason. This is a pretty good explanation of why.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Mechanicus#Why_Everything_is_so_Grimdark

Bear in mind that there is technological development, this is just the pessimist's view, but it's true a lot of the time, since the galaxy is so huge that the amount of dogma followed varies massively Forge World to Forge World after this long.

As for the rest of the imperium, same deal, but more dramatic religious stupidity and less cogs.
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>>51839717
>irony
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>>51839726
>They're smaller, lower to the ground, easier to make, have comparable firepower, and you can make a dozen of the things for each titan you make.
Not him, but that's basing off the assumption that the imperium really has a choice on what they can make. They don't invent things, nor are they pargagons of pragmatism, they rely on what they've got, and a forgeworld can really only produce what they have, because rare stuff like titans and the massive tanks (because make no mistake, the imperium has many types of tanks, from the rhino to the leman russ to the baneblade to the really massive classes), are closely gaurded STCs which a forge world will be very very very unlikely to share, so if you've only got the titan STC, that's what you're making.

What is effective or makes sense isn't the way the imperium works, it's a massive feudal nation ruled guided by pride, egotisim and pettiness. It would make sense for all titans forge world to instead make baneblades, but good luck getting the ad mech to do that.
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>>51839768
True, but the Ordinatii are the same class of firepower on the whole, and the design varies a lot. The ones we can use tabletop are just the relatively small and "Mass-Production" variants, there's probably some spider-tank ones, floating airship ones, all kinds of shit. Each is bespoke built for the threat it's countering, so probably quite a lot of Titanlike walkers with just one massive gun among those.
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>>51839773
Not really. If you look through his responses you can see that he mentions many times that he gets that they're being retarded. He's not saying it doesn't make sense that they're building titans, he's arguing with the people trying to pretend titans are a practical investment, and on that point,

>>51839470
Do you play tau?
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Alright, it's time for Original Chapter Donut Steel.

Name: Avenging Angels
Founding Chapter: Dark Angels
Founding: Third Founding
Chapter Master: N/A, led by a triumvirate council of Interrogator-Chaplains
Homeworld: Fleet-based
Fortress-Monastery: Battle Barge Ascalon
Colours: Silver, Dark Green, Black, Bone
Specialty: Unknown
Strength: Estimates placed between 2000-3000
Battle Cry: Unknown

Is the Chapter Master idea too far-fetched?

Also any contributions for specialty or battle cry are welcome!
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>>51839779
Oh, Mars was fucked up even before the heresy? I have to admit I was only aware of the footnotes of history before.
I guess arguing it is pointless. It just seems odd to me how well everything was going up to the crusade. I guess that was the peace that wall of text was talking about.
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>>51839755
Me again, I've only head you contact him with email, there's some sort of catalog he sends you?
I have no idea what's the email, though.
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>>51839843
I like the idea of a council formed by Interrogarot Chapalins, sounds badass and adds grimm to the chapter.

Also, the name is cool "Avenging Angels" goes well with theyr death obsession and crusaders theme.

About the battle cry... I'm not good at this but what about "WITH DEATH COMES ABSOLUTION" or something like that.
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>>51839944
Apparently it's easiest to find the catalog in reddit of all places, and then when you manage to waterboard the e-mail out of someone you just send him the order and he sends you payment details.
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>>51839940
Yeah, there were about six billion seperate Martian apocalypses before then. Toasters can't sit there and take it. That was a period of calm, though, and if some idiots (The DarkMech, including the Fabricator General of the time, Kelbor HaI the robopope) hadn't popped the Chaos Vault open it would have kept being gravy. Hope we eventually get rules for him, either here or in the Heresy. Daemon/Archmagos thing would be fun.
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>>51838468
Late, but better than ever. I personally inquired at Warhammer World a week ago.

The mold is broken. Fixing it is not high up on their list of priorities, but due to the demand the redshirt I was talking to hinted that with all the new Aeldari (he actually said "Aeldari". I did my best not to cringe) there could be something to replace it soon, though he was not privy to the details of exactly when.
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>>51839843
I don't normally comment on people's OC but this is actually a pretty neat idea. Keep being awesome my friend.
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Okay, so you fuckers shut up, I'm going to put this argument to rest:

From a purely pragmatic, utilitarian, best-use-of-possible-resources standpoint, titans make no god damn sense. GW is fully aware of this, as they've used the Squats and the Tau (and a few comments in the HH books) to point out that giant humanoid battlebots make way less sense than just making big tanks and Ordinatii. A humanoid body makes no sense, which our anti-titan friend has pointed out.

First off: walking vehicles make no sense, and don't believe what GW uses as a hand wave: legs are not better for getting over rough terrain, especially with a massive machine. There's a reason that modern tanks don't use legs, and it's not a technological limit, it's an efficiency limit: from a purely mechanical standpoint, treads, tracks, or wheels will ALWAYS be more energy efficient than legs, because rather than distributing the machine's weight over dozens of square meter's worth of space, it's on these two little sticks holding up the entire weight of the titan. This really starts to matter when you're talking about a big war machine that you want to pile armor and guns onto.

Second: a humanoid form is structurally weaker than other vehicle designs, and is reliant on void shields. If you punch a hole in the wall of a tank, you might well hit something vital and shut it down, you might not, but you'd be less likely to damage it than a humanoid form of the same tonnage, because you don't have the extraneous weight and surface area from the legs, arms, and head, which means you can add more armor, void shields, guns, etc. Plus, if you blast off a tank's tread, it's stuck for a while, sure, but you're still sitting in a bunker that's covered in guns and armor. If you blow a leg off a titan, you're just fucking done. The end. That titan is DONE until that warzone is taken and the mechanicum can get a lander down there to move it to a foundry or back up to a forge ship.
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So we were right about Girlyman's proportions being retarded because he's now a cyborg

I still would have rather had him be a super dreadnought tbqh
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>>51840118
Third: Excess height. If you look at the evolution of tanks over time, you'll notice some trends. The one that's important here is that as anti-tank weapons have gotten better and better, there's been a priority to make tanks lower to the ground so they have a low profile, faster so they can outmaneuver and escape enemies, and adding more active defenses like ablative armor and countermeasures to fuck around with missiles.

The most practical thing for the imperium to do with it's resources if it's facing a heavy siege or other titans would be to design something between an ordinati and a baneblade: something shaped like a tank that's as low to the ground and fast as possible, packing a big anti-titan gun, then you aim for the leg and hope for the best. It's less resource intensive, almost as effective, and harder to target.

That said... IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER.

The Imperium doesn't do shit because it's practical or it makes sense, they do it because they're regressive zealots with no sense of the practical or the sensible. They do it because they want to go into war against the terrors of the galaxy with a giant avatar of science/emprah/omnisiah on their side.

Both sides are right. Let it go (he said after he spent 15 minutes working through it an the conversation had already died).
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>>51840118
stop applying reality to 40k

the setting is literally magical with a bunch of daemons and shit fighting armies of men with laser rifles
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>>51839843
>Strength: Estimates placed between 2000-3000
How long have you been a heretic, son?
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>>51840137
Read both parts before you judge, or if you're TL;DRing it, skip to the part where I scream in all caps that it doesn't fucking matter.
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>>51840118
>>51840133
Titans are rare as fuck in 40k, like literally only a couple thousand in the whole galaxy apparently

the "titan" tanks of the Imperial Guard are not
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>>51840146

The dice rolls for generating came back as over-strength population.

Plus the Unforgiven have a pretty well-established history of flipping off the =][=.
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>>51840118
>>51840133
They do it because Titans are cool.

>>51840146
>Dark Angels
He never stopped.
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>>51839188
the only way power armor could be increased is if anything better than 3+ had extra effects against low AP weapons, like 2+ terminator becoming 5+ against a plasma weapon rather than getting no save at all. though thatd sometimes get weird against meltas and stuff because expecting them to withstand weapons that are designed to punch through tanks is a bit iffy, but perhaps ap2 reducing the save instead of negating it help
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>>51839966
How safe this method really is?
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>>51840188
>like 2+ terminator becoming 5+ against a plasma weapon rather than getting no save at all
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>>51840133
>>51840118
See, the mistake you made was expecting people to actually read through this before replying. Now everybody is just going to think you're arguing why titans don't make sense.
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>>51840188
You think power armor should offer an invuln save too?
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>>51840217
get fucked, ive seen plenty of people gripe about terminators not being worth taking, and people have even referenced old codexes where terminator armor got an extra dice because "terminator armor is so thick and difficult to penetrate" and the only way to have a better armor save than 2+ is make it behave differently altogether or have a special rule.
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I want to die for The Visarch!
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>>51833563
I laughed at this harder than I should have.
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>>51840262
You're a dense one, aren't you?

Terminator armor ALREADY has a 5+ save against plasma. The armor offers a 5+ invulnerable save.

The reason it does this is because in 2nd edition it had a minimum save that worked versus the then-current save penalty system in the exact way you are describing. It DOES work in the way you are describing and always has.
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>>51840262
Yeah, but we shouldn't try to make it fit the lore. If it fit the lore terminator armor would either be a 1+ or a 4+, depending on the plot importance of the character attacking it.
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>>51840290
Is this your first day on /tg/?
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>>51840262
>>51840217
or make it so ap1 negates armor entirely forcing them to use their 5++, when ap2 allows them to take a 4+

i also only just remembered that terminators have a 5++, i was thinking purely about armor saves being made less effective against ap in general and forgot they had that specifcally as terms.
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>>51840301
You're calling him dense but you just didn't read closely. He's not saying that's how terminator armor should be, he's saying that's how it is.
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>>51840318
>>51840262
>>51840188
You're overthinking this. In reality there should be automatic AP values associated with strength, because as the game currently sits, there are situations where a conscript can git hit with something that would crack open a landraider half the time, but will still get their 6+ t-shirt save.

But we shouldn't make rules to fix that, because it would be a pain in the ass to remember the series of algorithms and shit you'd need to accurately portray the armor piercing value of different amounts of kinetic force.
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>>51840332
>He's not saying that's how terminator armor should be

>>51840188
>>>51839188
>the only way power armor could be increased is if anything better than 3+ had extra effects against low AP weapons, like 2+ terminator becoming 5+ against a plasma weapon rather than getting no save at all
>perhaps ap2 reducing the save instead of negating it help
>>51840262
>or make it so ap1 negates armor entirely forcing them to use their 5++, when ap2 allows them to take a 4+
and most importantly
>i also only just remembered that terminators have a 5++

But please, whiteknight harder.
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>>51840378
>>51840301
samefag
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>>51840399
BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE SEEMS TO MAKE ONE
>>51840399
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>>51840378
Yeah, no, that's fair, just saw this part >>51840378
>the only way power armor could be increased is if anything better than 3+ had extra effects against low AP weapons, like 2+ terminator becoming 5+ against a plasma weapon rather than getting no save at all
and it seemed pretty straight forward to me.
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>>51840391
Yes, and? I can defend my argument myself, or is that a foreign concept to you?

Are you >>51840290 by any chance? Some newfag who thinks pointing out replies made by the same person defeats them automatically?
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>>51840375
Most of the weapons that work like that are fairly exotic in effect though.
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>>51840431
>>51840378
>>51840301
Samefag.
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>>51836492
>Agonizer on Sybarite
OH DEAR LORD
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>>51834472
Lizards
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>>51837978
Might as well get free razorbacks for the assault and devs squads even if they aren't going to use them.
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>>51839498
In Australia
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>>51839843
They look like the Guardians of the Covenant, a DA sucessor chapter.
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