Age of Sigmar AOS General

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OP here.

Should I start age of sigmar? I have lots of old warhammer minis/armies

Is the starter set worth it?

I also have a bunch of mantic undead I want to turn into a undead force (40 skellies 20 graveguard 10 mummies and 20 ghouls 20 zombones)

Is AOS community more open to using alternative models?

Does the Skeleton Horde box come with all Mortarch variants, or just Arkhan the Black?

>>51774455
All variants as far as my research goes.

Same for other boxes I think the ghoul court can also make vampire lord.

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I'm torn between these two Tzeentchian armylists. Would any or both of these armies work well?

>>51774448
>Should I start age of sigmar?
Is it played where you are? If so, are the people who play cool guys? If not, then you should probably find out what is played.
>I have lots of old warhammer minis/armies
Which is cool because you can play them in AoS
>Is the starter set worth it?
Only if you're interested in collecting Stormcast Eternals or Khorne Bloodbound
>I also have a bunch of mantic undead I want to turn into a undead force (40 skellies 20 graveguard 10 mummies and 20 ghouls 20 zombones)
Which is a great basis for a Death army.
>Is AOS community more open to using alternative models?
Yes. However if you plan on playing in a GW store, or at an official GW event, then they will ask you not to play with them generally.

Thanks for making the thread, btw.

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I read the Sylvaneth battletome today and I'm sold. Who can tell me how these beautiful bastards perform on the table?

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My Harbinger of Decay. This is Gagnus the Ratcatcher on his Gluttdragon. Gagnus was a Nurgle lord who displeased his god in a defeat (to Stormcast Eternals no less), and as punishment his quest it to collect rat corpses (particularly Skaven) for Grandfather Nurgle to use in his garden, to pack around trees for fertilizer. A humiliating punishment for what was once a great Lord of Chaos.

The Gluttdragon is a Dracoth that has been stricken with a disease that turns it into a creature of insatiable hunger. It mutates this child of Dracothion into a mockery of its former self. No better mount for a Lord of Nurgle.

>>51774637
I like the models for both forces.

Would you say they would make a good basis for a demo force to try the game with friends?

Does it have a rulesbook and stuff too or terrain?

>>51774655
With lots of forests they teleport everwhere and are pretty competitive. A solid army.

>>51774657
Looks cool, I like it.

>>51774657
REally nice conversion, especially the sculpting. My only critique is the two sacks on his neck kind of block off the rest of the model.

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Ladies and gents, pre-orders are up and it seems Abaddon the despoiler has jumped ships and joined our GLORIOUS! game and has done so by entering the god king's service.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Slambo-Exalted-Hero

>>51774655
Get Wyldwoods. Read the book again, find a Wargrove you like and get ready to curb stomp some dudes. Lots of flexibility.

Personally I went Gnarlroot with the option to switch to Harvestboon or Ironbark.

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I haven't played Warhammer/40k in about 15 years.

AoS seems interesting. So I want to get into it.

How do I start exactly? Do I buy the starter set and select one of the two factions in the starter set as my army?

The space marines(Sorry) look like fun.

Thank you.

>>51775012
Read the rules first. They're free and only four pages. Then work from there.
Generally one of the two base games or a Start Collecting box are a perfect start.

>>51774953

Can't wait to use that barehead for my Imperial Space Marines

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>>51774657
this is godly, the mount reminds me of a mix between a frog and a lion

paint it, make a homebrewes warscroll and send to GW

it's an order: slambo and kek will it

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>>51775012

Its fun, trust me. If you are in it for competitive gameplay, or smashing your opponent on T2, or trying to rule lawyering yourself out of situations, go play something else. This game is just fun to be frank. It has more tactical depth than most people would like to recognize, but its mainly here for the miniatures, and cool scenarios. Its fast, no rule-lagging, and will make you have a great time.
I was one of the haters at first, having played WHFB for a good 15 years before. But once I got over it, and gave it a try, I realized it was damn fun.

My advice? Start with anything you find interesting in fluff and as a model. Understand that this hobby is 85% painting and modeling, and 15% games. Be cool with this, and you will have a blast, placing a fully painted army that your proud of on the field!

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>>51775155

>51(dubs)^2

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>>51774965

>this is real

>>51775155
So do we think these one off resin pieces are going to become a regular thing now? First Veirdyan, now Slambo. Who shall we see next?

>>51775155
Holy shit, Is that a remake of the old metal model that looks just like that? Is that a real thing?

>>51774965
>>51775155
The mad fuckers actually did it.

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Discuss the warscroll

>>51775091
Not that we care.

>>51774965
>>51775155
He got fat holy shit

>>51774783
>>51774803
>>51775155
Thanks guys. I rather like the big chin rolls. I imagine he walks like a bulldog, with a lot of weight in the head and leaner in the back. Those big pustules represent pockets where the rats are stored after the Gluttdragon consumes them, later to be retrieved by nurgle for his garden. He still eats other things, they just get digested.

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>>51775351
pic related

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i'm going to repost my list, i had the idea of combining the durability of the chaos warriors with the attack spam bonus of the wrathmongers and bloodsecrators
but i need a hard hitter, and skullcrusher are a bit meh
what should i replace them with, if i should replace them at all ?

Allegiance: Chaos

Leaders
Bloodsecrator (120)

Battleline
3 x Mighty Skullcrushers (160)
- Axes
- Khorne Mortal Battleline
3 x Mighty Skullcrushers (160)
- Axes
- Khorne Mortal Battleline
10 x Chaos Warriors (180)
- Hand Weapon & Shield
- Mark of Chaos: None
10 x Chaos Warriors (180)
- Hand Weapon & Shield
- Mark of Chaos: None

Units
5 x Wrathmongers (180)

Total: 980/1000

>>51775155
New Sly Marbo when?

>>51775408
>Skullcrushers as battline

Pretty sure you need a Lord of Khorne on a Juggernaut for them to count as Battleline.

>>51775342
what's with you guys obsession for ''fat'' miniatures ? first the SoB, now this guy ?

>>51775446
>where do you think you are?.com

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>decide that I want to start AoS
>noone at LGS plays death
>tell friend that starting skeleton army would be cool, so we could have more variety in league
>HURR YOU WACC FAGOT! PLAY SOMETHING NORMAL!
>he runs cunning ruk with 150 arrowboyz
>mfw

also, are zombies playable or should I stick to skeletons?

>>51775446

Why don't you ask GW that?

Is age of sigmar lore any good? Or should I just treat it like interdimensional fantasy warhammer?

>>51774448
>Should I start age of sigmar? I have lots of old warhammer minis/armies

Considering the only investment you would probably have to make would be the Generals Handbook, you have no reason not to unless you mind dedicating some time to it. All warscrolls and rules are free so there's no reason why you can't throw together a quick list and have some fun.


>Is the starter set worth it?
Not too familiar with either Khorne or Stormcast, however the common knowledge is that the Stormcast included in it will form a good base to build towards a better list. The Khorne models...not so much. Another anon can chime in on this if they have experience as I haven't even touched SE or Khorne.

>Is AOS community more open to using alternative models?
This depends on your local meta/gaming group. Mine doesn't really give a shit about alternative models. We routinely proxy models to test and play different lists (just the other day my buddy used a bunch of proxied beastmen to play an Ironjaw list so he could see if he likes it before he buys and paints them). If your local AoS scene is mostly at GW stores you will need official GW models as the staff won't let you play with other companies models on their hallowed and blessed tables. Also, most tournaments won't allow you to use alternative models. If these aren't concerns of yours, then you should be fine.

>>51775546
>Is age of sigmar lore any good?
No. We just have a very active general constantly held up since day 1 of it because we all think it's bad. [/sarcasm]

>>51775582
You do realize that people play games for the fun. I am not trying to be insulting I am genuinly curious what the lore is like.

>>51775611
Very High Fantasy but not very fleshed out yet. I'd say it has potential but honestly we need time for the fluff to grow on its own. Just like Fantasy had.

>>51775546
>Is age of sigmar lore any good?
It doesn't really hold up, but it's a more fertile and inexplored ground for your dudes.

>>51775611
It's good. It's not whfb, but it is good. There's a lot more to it than "durr fantasy spess muhreens", it's epic in scope and centered more around gods and mortal, while still keeping a dark and grim atmosphere, although more hopeful than previous GW games.

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>>51775252
He's an Exalted Hero of Chaos with Mark of Choas exchanged for a okay shooting attack. Solid, but nothing exceptional, especially sinc he forgoes a ton of buffing options.

>>51775252
>When Slambo attacks 24 times

AoS is basically Green Eggs and Ham: The Game

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>>51775155
>>51775681
Where can I find that badass on eBay?

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>>51775446
>obsession
Are you telling me this is not fat or heroic proportions gone wrong?

>>51775004
I think I'm edgelord enough to go Dreadwood, I liked the fluff. I'm not looking to play competitive at any level, so I'd rather go with the one that seems cool to me. Also I prefer painting darker schemes, so seems like the way to go.

>>51775978
You can see how thick the plating on his suit is, right there. It's also got two-three layers, before even getting to whatever kind of gambeson or padding he has underneath the chainmail.

>>51775840
He will be on sale on the GW website tomorrow

>>51775252

i hope he gets points

>>51776057
I'm expecting about 80pts. He's just an ok beatstick, really nothing more.

>>51774529
Yes.

>>51776068

more so i can actually take him in matched play.

>>51775681
So is Age of Slam a reality now?

Slambo for Everchosen!

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Gonna need a source on that new Slambo model, son.

>>51775437
Not him but Warscroll builder puts it there automatically. I'm taking the Chaos Warriors are the actual battleline

>>51775840
>girl

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>>51776339
Have you tried checking new Zealand GW?

>>51775484
Anon, the best thing I can say is play whatever the fuck you want. You want skeletons? You get skeletons. Bone zone.

>>51775484
Skeletoms are more of an actual attacking unit, but need to be properly buffed to do max damage. Zombies are the single best tar pit unit in the game, they do not go away and are great at holding objectives.

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>>51776513
>50 Kiwi Dollars

>>51775437
they are not battleline, i just copy/paste the shit from scrollbuilder
i don't know the proper way to do it

The Palladors look dynamic as fuck. But god damn are they pricy.

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>>51774657

made me think of

>>51775546
No. It's pretty shit. It's essentially

>Old world is dead
>But Sigmar isn't
>Sigmar is much sad
>Finds star Dragon
>Star Dragon doesn't like Chaos
>Star Dragon gives Sigmar star power
>Sigmar likes lightning
>Uses lightning to attempt to reclaim all realms
>NOW YOU TOO CAN HELP SIGMAR RECLAIM THE REALMS FROM THOSE DASTARDLY CHAOS GODS!

The end.

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My Slambo will be Khorne

>>51775681

Ugly as fuck and objectively worse than the original model.

This took less than half a day to sculpt...

I cannot believe this is real.

>>51777241

Get off 4chan, granddad.

>>51777241
>I cannot believe this is real.
That's right, go. Go to your safe space and cry. The world is unforgiving.

>>51777384
>>51777398

seems I triggered you good

I look forward to seeing this abortion with your terrible paint job.

>>51777044
The old world was a tolkien knock-off.

At least this is original. It's nice seeing good guys on the offense for a change.

>>51777414
>gets triggered by new model
>others laugh at him
>he calls them triggered

>>51775681
Fuckin nice. Would be great if GW released more models in the style.

>>51777047
>no Mark of Chaos
Not too Khorne though...

>>51777433
>implying originality is an inherently good quality
>implying you needed to have the world end to have good guys on the offense
>implying that with the first new order cities it will not turn back into enemy within narratives because paladins assaulting devils' castles is boring

>>51776057
i still want points for Grombingal Reeeeeeee

>>51775546
Just play with old lore and add stormcast as superduper elite army from heavens or smtg

>>51777782
another anon here, that is what I do: I have pretty much wrote all the retcons and explanations needed for my headcanon to have both the stuff from the age of sigmar and the old world running before the end times

>>51777437

I think he's calling you out for being a samefag.

A quick google shows the original looks much better if not a little small.

Personally i detest the smoothness / laziness of these 3D sculpts, why does this model look like this but the new Stormcast birdhorse things look like some of the most dynamic models i've seen GW release in years

>>51777437

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I said I don't like the model and think the quality is dogshit something I'd expect from mantic, I don't have the original i'm certainly not wasting money on this.

You're the faggot who responded with safespaces within a nanosecond.

You got upset / mad I dislike the ugliest model to be released for AOS so far. Grow up, sperg.

>>51775681
This model is fucking ugly.

Why are people defending it again?

>>51778026
>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>I-I'm not t-t-t-triggered or anything.

>>51778131
Because it looks nice.
Now what do we do?

>>51776487
It's a trap.

>>51778152
No, anon.

>>51775770
This looks nice. Really nice infact.

>>51775681
This, looks like hot garbage.

Learn the difference, it might save your life.

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It's going cost like £25 isn't it?

I owe like 700 quid ffs

>>51778202
Pay your dues, then think about wargames.

>>51777825
So mental gymnastics?

So, fa/tg/uys, with the FAQ allowing you to use any warscrolls for a model as long as it exists. Will I be able to use the current (2/17/2017) Knight-Azyros or knight-vexillor with their adjusted points in ghb2
>inb4 another sigmarine faggot

>>51778192
Different tastes, I guess, but I like both. That Exalted Hero has served me dutifully for many years now (though he sucks pretty bad in AoS), but I also plan on getting Slambo.
Though I will be frank, I love those chainmail mittens.

>>51778265
By RAW, yes.
As a Stormcast player myself I loathe the idea though and will not hesitate to call you a faggot for even considering this.
Faggot.

>>51778253
I prefer the terminology "advanced your dudes", thanks.

>>51778358
Fair enough, I just traded and got a bunch of models. I am now able to make the Warrior brotherhood, it was unfortunate to find out that some of the things I had to make it better were getting nerfed soon. Until a week ago I didn't even ever play a battalion. It won't change the way I was playing it, so there's that I suppose.

>>51778202
Paying denbts always comes before hobbies.

WFB apologists will never be happy.

I am glad GW made AoS. Painting up the same static model and putting them in blocks was lame and only the neckbeardiest of players enjoyed it.

AoS is more accessible and faster paced.

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Guess what time it is?
It's EXTRA HERESY time

>>51779414
as someone who played whfb I agree. the 40k system of squads and smaller units is just better for a table top game. It sucks ass that they had to kill the setting in order to make that transition.

How does the Daemon Cohort of Tzeentch work with the Generals Handbook?
As you don't add units to your army or replace anything. So if a the last model of a unit dies and you roll a 6 you can set up the exactly same unit again.
I think they don't count as reinforcements and shouldn't cost points.

>>51775840
I know this is actually a guy, but my dick's still hard

>>51779655
Cool. What are you going to do with the cultists?

>>51779936
Making a pleasure cult. Mostly just have them to experiment with robe colours

Warriors of Chaos can kick fucking ass.

Take a Mutalith Vortex Beast, and two Sorcerer Lord, one on a Daemonic mount. The other on a manticor.

Flood the field with Chaos Warriors. Win.

>>51777731

>implying you needed to have the world end to have good guys on the offense

You kind of have to with how GW wrote Fantasy. I can only rarely think of instances where the Empire made a northern attack and likely all of those times were against Norsca and not the Chaos Wastes themselves.

The setup basically was that the Chaos Wastes exists and all the Empire, Kislev, and even Bretonnia can do is endure the raids that come from it.

Come to think of it I don't even think they had the Empire try to form colonies. I think the only human nation which attempted colonies was Estalia or Tilea trying in Lustria to parody history.

There is a lot of shit GW just sat on their ass about and I think puffing Archaon up as the end all be all was a large part of the reason.

Anyone have the $ prices for the palladors and the lord aquilor?

Holy mother of fucks I just discovered Age of Slam. Gonna get a league going with my friends, I'm sure they'll appreciate the humour.

>More Chaos
>More stormcast
>more chaos
>more stormcast

release something fucking interesting, like dwarves or new skaven shit or freeguild

Spears over swords for Skeleton Warriors when they're units of 20+, correct?

>>51782075
>more chaos, more stormcast

the previous big release before Tzeentch wasn't chaos or stormcast.

>>51782169
yeah, and it was cool too

now its fucking boring. AoS was actually building up some steam with ironjawz and sylvaneth, but the return to infinite stormcast/chaos has totally deflated it again

>>51782188
>infinite

It's two releases. Two releases. the next release is probably going to be something for Death.

>>51782214
rumor is march is dwarves

>>51782214
They dragged out that tzeentch release for like 4 weeks

>>51774953

thumbnail made me think of a sister of silence riding a dark eldar fiend

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I like how the Custodes range is infinitely more interesting than Stormcast in spite of basically being the same shit

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>>51782263
I like how you are baiting us for resposes. Here's your (You).

You're welcome.

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>>51782306
You dont actually think the stormcast are interesting, do you?

>>51782263
The major fuck up with sigmarines was the pitiful attempt to make them iconic posterboys by simplifying the fuck out of them.

>>51782325
Custards look like shitty Stormcast.

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>>51782325
Ok,. it's obvious you're desperate and have fallen on hard times. So here's another one. I'm feeling generous tonight.

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>>51782336
They would be 1000 times better if they only had the pteruges without the retarded chain loincloth behind it

>>51782368
>>51782365
>Literal shining golden gods who are better than everyone else because theyre the good guys

>No discernible design influences beyond "generic knight with vague lightning theme"

They couldnt have made a more boring flagship army if that was their sole intention

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>>51782377

>>51782398
>He doesn't like lightning Paladins

How does it feel to have no balls?

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>>51782398
Oh you're so cute. Well here's the last one. I swear this time, no more!

There can't be any meaningful discussion with how fucking defensive you people get

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>>51782416
They should have thrown in some catacomb saint themes.

Stormcast are supposed to be reborn heroes, right?

There should be design ques from all the races that comprise them

I like to think that the stormcast are a new look. More uniform, easy to paint, and highly influenced by roman legion aesthetics. They're iconic.

If they take the same approach with, say, flesh eater courts, I'd be fucking happy to spill cash on them.

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Skeleton Warriors should have spears over swords if they're 20 or more, correct?

>>51782476
What if... what if they had stormcast dwarves???

quick question, the warrior-priest is a unit with a min max of 1, but his healing hands skill state he can heal 'one model in this unit'

does that mean he can only heal himself?

my friend's going to be using him for hinterlands anyway so we'd like to work it out.

>>51782469
AoS is under siege from so much legitimate as well as blind autistic hate that the people who like it force themselves to REALLY like it or not be invested in it as all, as such the ones who are stuck in just REEEEE whenever anything suggesting their tribe is the wrong one crops up.

>>51782469
People have taken every chance they could to shit on Stormcasts since their inception. There's nothing left to "discuss"(if you can even call it that).

>>51782512
What a wonderful community GW has created

>>51782469
>meaningful discussion

>>51782512
I'm a newb to warhammer. Always wanted to pick up w40k but just didn't really like the space aspect. Didn't really like the looks of the older WHFB too. I think stormcasts give new players like me a good entry into the hobby, into painting stuff, making terrains, custom bases and all that. I'd say it did its job in bringing me in, and got me hunting down old skaven stuff too.

Not a bad move, to be honest.

>>51782526
"Lets axe a 25 year old grodnard hobby and replace it with something very very different that is canon to the thing they like" is quite possibly the best way to create skub I can imagine.

>>51782526
AoS community is fine.
WHFB "community" needs to just needs to stay in it's fucking grave already.

What is the best army for killing stormcast

Thats all anyone plays at the local GW

>>51782469
>i find thing is absolute shit
>i dont give a shit
>mfw no meaningful discussion

>>51782509
>Battle Prayers: In your hero phase, a
Warrior Priest can pray to Sigmar. If he
does so, pick a Devoted of Sigmar unit
within 10", select one of the following
blessings and roll a dice. On a 1 or a 2, his
prayers go unanswered, but on a 3 or more
they have been heard:

You choose a unit first, then use Healing Hands or one of the other prayers.

>>51782568
oh right, fuck thanks, i just skipped ahead and thought it was a skill

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Re-release of Harry the Hammer when?

>>51782552
>Throwing loyal fans of a long-standing beloved franchise under the bus for quick normie-bux

Seems GW has been watching the vidya industry

>>51782582
"Loyal fans" who didn't buy anything

>>51782578
I was disappointed he didn't make an appearance during End Times.

>>51782578
daffy duck shoe

>>51782552
>Get into game literally built on the body of scorned dedicated nerds
>Surprised when it's skub
Seriously, anyone who believes age of sigmar will ever not get shit is an idiot, like it or not, it's an inherently parasitic ip and the fans of the dead host are going to be fucking miffed forever.
>>51782563
I don't give a shit and "This is bait" are two different responses.

>>51782596
If fantasy fans were so inconsequential, why did GW outright ban fantasy from their shops?

No harm in letting the odd person play fantasy every once in a while. Sigmar would have been exactly the same, and they would still get the minuscule sales from fantasy

>>51782596
I love how people meme as if GW ever actually has said anything about how popular it's franchises were.

>>51782651
At least they outright killed fantasy. They could have just made it resin only and sold only through Forgeworld like one of their other games.

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>>51782665
Forgeworld should be given charge of the old world desu

>9th edition written by FW
>New models only from FW

>>51782632
>If fantasy fans were so inconsequential, why did GW outright ban fantasy from their shops?

Too stop them from taking up space. GW let people play in stores to advertise their games.

>>51782651
>I love how people meme as if GW ever actually has said anything about how popular it's franchises were.

Because they decided to kill a perfectly healthy and profitable game.

>>51782699
If nobody liked fantasy anyway then what was there to lose?

They wouldnt have alienated so many people and would have gotten a little bit more sales from fantasy grognards

>>51782698
>Implying Fantasyfags would buy from FW when they won't even buy from GW

>>51782665
The didn't outright kill fantasy, they created a parasitic IP born from fantasy. If they thought fantasy was a worthless IP they would have let it quietly fade into obscurity while they just swelled 40k, but instead they tried to "revitalize it" in a half living form as the dwindling sales of 8th edition were blamed on dwindling interest in the game instead of the increasingly prohibitive barrier of entry. If AoS got anything right, it was lowering the barrier to entry, because the sheer buy in price of 8th edition was what was preventing any new blood from getting into it, so all the grogs who had all the models they needed played the game, and no one else got into it so no models got bought.

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Basically finished my Gaunt summoner!

Comments and critique appreciated!

>>51782737
They would buy if the rules werent fucking garbage and it was given actual support, unlike 8th edition

GW put fantasy in the coma and gw pulled the plug

>>51782699
"perfectly healthy and profitable" can mean a lot of things to a business person anon. A line that does modestly well while a flagship dominates a market sets off idiots who don't know what a "niche market" is to try and squeeze more out of the modest one.

>>51782732
>If nobody liked fantasy anyway then what was there to lose?

Table space.

>>51782753
I would do the flesh in white or the robe in red to unify it more

>>51782774
What GW in the planet has packed tables all the time?

The one near me literally only has sigmar games on sundays

>>51782776
I do have another unpainted Gaunt Summoner I can try that on, but it's a bit too late to do a change like that on this one, I think.

>>51782783
At any time people can look for tables and you can't have Fantasy fags hogging them when that time comes.

>>51782770
Maybe you're the idiot trying to shill for a dead game, ever consider that?

>>51782792
Red robe would be easy desu

>>51782819
Wow, you got me, what a coherent point.

>>51782828
You're not wrong, but the rest of the cloth in my army is white, so i like it that way since he ties in better that way. But I see what you mean

>>51782849
If my point need to be plainer then here it is.
Why assume that the business men are idiots?
Why assume that you know more than the people who made the decision to end Fantasy?

>>51781506

$60 and $40 respectively.

>>51782632

>If fantasy fans were so inconsequential, why did GW outright ban fantasy from their shops?

They haven't though? What can or can't be done at a store is up to the respective manager.

>>51782665

They tried the FW and it only resulted in two books and so many models before getting shut down due to lack of interest.

There's no real excuse either since Tamurkhan was a perfectly fine book and had rules and models for things besides the centerpieces that some people enjoy screeching over. So the diehard people who still played 8th Edition Fantasy certainly did not put their money were their mouths were.

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>>51782899
>Its the consumer's fault for not buying a product

>>51782875
That has nothing to do with what I was saying. I wasn't saying it was a bad choice, I was saying we don't have evidence either way, it is you doing the assuming that the "business people" made a reasonable choice, when business people fuck up constantly
We don't KNOW that sales were actually that low. There is no evidence to support this other than assumptions. The amount of sales fantasy got was certainly higher than almost all non gw games on the market, so it's pretty silly to think that it was burning a massive hole in their pocket, the most likely scenario was that it was merely doing lackluster.
Sales being low doesn't mean people don't have a right to bitch and moan, because the people who bitch are ones with fantasy on their shelves. If the sales were low it wasn't because of fans, it was because of mismanagement of a valuable IP. So when someone says "I dont like this" saying "WELL YOU COULD HAVE BOUGHT MORE OF THE PRODUCT" is just fucking dull.

>>51782469
>people are not agreeing with me, so a meaningful discussion is impossible

Mixing stormfiends with plague monks, clan rats and nurgle stuff. Good or bad?

>>51783080
Keep in mind your keyword buffing and damage.

I know blightkings have a damaging aura that does not effect shit with the nurgle keyword, even allies. So keep in mind stuff like that. Nurgle allies well with pestilens for that reason.

>>51783080
Plague Monks' Book of Woes will hurt anything that's not Nurgle. Including your stuff.

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>>51774426

Question for you fellas: I know shit all about Age of Sigmar in general, but I've been playing Silver Tower recently and I'm trying to collect all the followers of Khorne in the Hero Cards pack, and I've got them all except for the Bloodstoker and Bloodsecrator.

I've gone through all the Khorne units in the GW website and tried searching for them by name and come up with nothing. Are they called something different? Where might I find these?

>>51782802
Especially since they'd likely be very loudly trying to dissuade people from getting into the new product
>>51782986
In this case it actually is. (You)s and likes mean fuck all to a busniess if people aren't buying your shit. You could be the most popular game in the world but still go bunk if people don't buy new shit

>>51783381
Stoker and secrator, like knight relictor, are ONLY in the AoS starter set
So check ebay, you can get them for less than a tenner each. The Khorgorath is also an exclusive to the starter set but you don't want a khorgorath. They suck ass

>>51783381
>Where might I find these?
they are starting box exclusive

>>51783404
>>51783411

Thanks fellas.

>>51783379
That's cool. I play skaven because I like literal chaos on the battlefield.

>>51782263
The proportions have and will always look like shit.

>>51783421
Why are you not playing goblins then?

>>51783566
Skavens are cooler imo. Goblins and orcs feel like a mallet, while skavens feel like a knuckle duster with spikes facing both ways...

>>51783657
orcs are a mallet. grots are more like wielding a snake and hoping it bites your opponent instead of you

>>51778265
In gh2 maybe but the BT stats the point lists are only for the warscrolls in the book.

>>51783674
I might just get some for narrative play then. I hear they're good at pumping out mortal wounds.

>>51778424
It's mental gymnastics then, kay.

>>51782398
He's right

>>51777433
>tolkien

It was more akin to Moorcock.

Also, almost every Fantasy RPG/Wargame setting up until about a decade ago was a generic Ye Merry Olde England/Tolkien ripoff.

What was great about the old setting is that it had tons of fun stuff and interesting factions and still had enough unique and weird things to set it apart like Lizardmen, Skaven, Ogres, and the TK vs. VC rivalry.

Then you had The Empire, which itself was broken down into separate provinces, all of whom were vying for supremacy in within the empire itself.

Keep in mind that the Old World was originally conceived in the early 80's, where pretty much the only reference for high fantasy was Tolkien.

Besides, it's very difficult to find anything truly original within Fantasy outside of Gene Wolfe, who himself took heavy influence from Jack Vance.

AoS is shit because most of the factions are so vague and broad. There is no sense of unifying cultures or even proper cities/nations/homelands. All of the factions all just exist in these apparently fuckhuge realms with no sense of true lasting conflict. Factions just roll up to a Realmgate, go through it, and start beating the shit out of whatever they come across. So there is very little actual world-building or mythopoeia.

>>51784087
You're comparing a setting that has 30 years to be fleshed out versus one that's belt had 2. With aos we have all these factions but they aren't developed yet, however we will get to them. There are now a few key big cities that have popped up because of oders's success in the wars and we will start seeing things about them, like books, and the next warhammer quest game gives a bunch of lore on one of the cities.

I just don't think it's fair to compare fluff magnitude between the 2 games yet.

>>51784135
Fair enough. I hope their writing improved though. Stormcast 1.0 is horrifically bad.

Has anyone scanned Battletome Stormcasts 2? I'd like to see it before I start buying.

>>51784296
Enjoy. http://imgur.com/a/5qJ0j

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>>51784303
>All that wargear

This game might actually be worth something soon

Hurry up and get to the Freeguild models you chincy bastards

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Making some nurgle goo bases for my hallowed knights

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>>51784338
Moar

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>ITT: People actually like Sigmarines.

>>51784361
Where do you think you are?

Anons, I got a question, in matched play when Pink Horrors die, you can spit them into Blue Horrors as long as you pay the points. In this case, I pay 50 for 6 blue due to rule of under-strength units(50 for 10 blue), after that if I add 4 more blue to that unit, should I pay another 50, or not?!

My friends are alright about that, since I payed for 10 blue already. However, I would like to know anons opinion, RAW(and the intention of designer too).

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>>51775484

>>51784401

RAW I think you'd technically have to pay points.

The GH wording is:

>However, in pitched battle, spells or abilities cannot increase the number of models in a unit to more than it had at the start of the battle (i.e they can replace slain models but not create new models for a unit.

Since the unit starts with <10 models, rather than placing <10 model and considering the others destroyed you would technically have to pay points.

That said, I would be perfectly fine allowing you to go up to 10 before paying and I don't know anyone who wouldn't. If you were to move the blue horrors out of range and create a further unit I would make you pay, though.

>>51784361
They have pretty cool fluff and the models are dope straight out of the gate, so yeah I guess people like them?

So between
Frostlord on Stonehorn w/ Talisman and Ravager
Huskard on Thundertusk
10 Savage Orruks
10 Savage Orruks

and

Frostlord on Stonehorn w/ Talisman and Ravager
Beastriders on Thundertusk
2 Mournfangs

wich one is better?
Orruks are great at keeping objectives plus the huskard can heal the frostlord but mournfangs are much more hard hitting and can benefit from the frostlord's command ability.

>>51774657
I really like this

>tfw you've got tons of bits and parts, but have so little imagination, you could never do something this good.

>>51784087
Check out City of Secrets, everything that you said that is wrong fluff wise in AoS is addressed and fixed.

>>51784303
>Boltstorm pistol
>We 40k now

>>51782484
indeed, because that way you can throw in more attacks, since the second ranks can fight too

what's the new meme StormHost for AoS?

slice 'n' dice turquoise swordy Celestial Vindicators w/ a Hammerstrike Force,

or

Testudo/phalanx-style white/blue Knights Excelsior w/ their cheap/crummy Devastation Bro'hood tax, & not having to convert everyone to swords??

>>51784303
May the deities of all religions shine blessings down upon you for your kindness.

>>51775681
Duncan tutorial when?

>>51775978
He looks like your average American football or rugby player. Certainly not properly proportioned, but that isn't an issue for me.

As far as I'm concerned the Stormcast fit into the same category (except slightly better proportioned, although the pauldrons could use some work. Maybe change them to spaulders instead).

>>51784536
The Savage Orruks list is hands down better for matched play but as a fellow Beastclaw player I am telling you to use the Mournfangs.

>>51784906
Never, he can't do NMM.

Said so on one of the GW streams.

>>51784967
Emma tutorial when?

>>51784303
>Knights Excelsior Exemplar Chamber
Nice, I like how they were portrayed in City of Secrets.

>>51784338
>>51784345
Put some 'Ardcoat on the bases and they're perfect.

10/10 would base my Blightkings on

New sigmarine book scan when?

>>51785627
Now
>>51784303

>>51784692
>>51784692
Dank meme bro! Age of Shitmar LULZ!

Get back to the containment thread.

>>51785670
He said scan.

>>51785719
Oh. I got nothing then.

>>51774669
>Would you say they would make a good basis for a demo force to try the game with friends?
Not this Anon but starter set is great way to jump into AoS. With Start Collecting box for each of starter set faction you would have (or you and your friend) two ~1100 points armies so you can run 1000pts vanguard games

>>51785747
Didn't actually see the imgur link posted ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Are there any leaks on the formations though?

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Starting an iron horde bloodbound army.

not sure if i like the brass

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>>51785830
Oh my, they already look amazing. Now I want to try some alternate color scheme for my skaven

>>51785830
I'd commission you for that paint scheme in a heartbeat.

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>>51786041
>>51786054

thanks for the nice words famalams

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RELEASE AN EMPIRE THEMED ARMY ALREADY YOU FUCKS

THANKS FOR SLAMBO THOUGH

>>51785830
And here I am thinking they are boring. Holy shit they gucci.

>>51784597
Dude, go for it. You gotta be fearless when converting. You have to be willing to cut up a perfectly good model or bit to achieve a goal that's only vaguely in your head. Not always does it work, but sometimes it does and looks really cool. If you have the parts, try something new. Making things unique and your dudes is one of the more essential parts of this hobby for me.

>>51785830
they need another color somewhere methinks

>>51786054
>commissioning someone to apply a wash on a basecoat

jesus christ how much of an economical cuck can you be?
Are you one of the guys who donated to the Cybermatrix 100 kickstarter?

>>51782469
pls dont kick my piss ;_;

>>51786794
My painting skills leave much to be desired. Plus it looked good and I wanted to pay anon a complement.

I don't even know what Cybermatrix 100 is. Too lazy to look it up. Your possible and likely insult was wasted.

>>51786955
you can't possibly suck hard enogh to be unable to apply a basecoat and a wash

that's like paying a random fuck to tie your shoelaces because "your shoelacing skills leave much to be desired" and the dude probably doesn't even know how to make a double-knot.

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>>51787127
Why are you so mad about how a person on a mongolian moving picture forums uses his money?

Actually on topic, spite-revenants. How do they perform?

>>51782476

Only humans become stormcasts

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>>51784303

I love how wrong the 2 page rules, no options, forge a narrative idiots turned out to be

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this thread and the game in general needs more elves.

Elves are self righteous and have a sense of superiority over everything and everyone as a defining characteristic of the race. A lot of gamers relate to them and enjoy playing, painting, and collecting the elves armies. Such a shame that no elves releases yet.

Goblins need more release too, same for rats and greenskins for similar reasons but at least they got some love so far.

>>51787415
>40k
>there is no hope, everything is falling apart, old stuff is best stuff
>rules and players get worse every release

>WHFB
>nothing ever changes and the world is locked in permanent stalemate
>stagnate rules and stagnate player base until GW decided to pull the plug

>AoS
>good guys are on the offensive and every day brings new hope
>rules get better ever release and bring in new players every single time

It almost seems intentional that AoS is the only optimistic setting AND the only one that is getting better crunch.

>>51787127
Thanks for insulting me in a way I understand :)

https://mega.nz/#!DwQHHIIQ!RG3KD8PF238rQLVD5KD6ndevNYIsO_LDUaD84tKM_u0

I don't know, how to convert to pdf, new Battletome is up, enjoy.

>>51786397
>EMPIRE THEMED ARMY

are you blind or do you really not think that SC is the Human Empire themed army for AOS?

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for GW to do another Human army with a very similar aesthetic except with less strong people. If anything I expect something next year allowing SC armies to include devoted of sigmar auxiliary detachments and nothing more.

>>51787581
>Imperium themed army

Are you blind or do you really not think that Space Marines are the Imperium themed army for AOS?

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for GW to do another Human army with a similar aesthetic except with less strong people.

etc.

Fuck you if you don't think freeguilds deserve more love, it'd be like saying Marines and Guard have the same aesthetic when they absolutely clearly don't.

>>51787510
Awesome, thank you. Physical copies are nice and all, especially for just reading them leisurely, but the epubs are just so much more convenient for bringing along everywhere.

>>51787603
Guardsmen have balls and space marines got them cut off.

>>51787510
That was fast, normally we need to wait a day or two.
Thanks.

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>>51787415

If you had told me in 2015, I'd be sat here assembling my Stormcast I'd have told you to fuck off... yet here we are.

>>51787603
>Fuck you if you don't think freeguilds deserve more love

I do think they deserve more love. I'm being a realist and pointing out the obvious and what is likely.

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How do disciples of Tzeentch play? Are they good?

>>51787645
I haven't played with the beastmen or humans much, but they let Tzeentch Daemons feel like Tzeentch Daemons after being neutered by the General's Handbook. Getting the new psychic power table was huge.

>>51787632
The empire is more german than roman imperialism, and serves as a baseline for how awesome stormcast are.

>>51787628

Why were you so hostile initially or up until recently?

>>51787665
>>51787645

Speaking more directly to your question, with my admittedly limited knowledge of them, they tend to have really, really long hero phases and dish out a ton of mortal wounds, serving to be very strong against armies with high saves but not as great against armies with tons of wounds, though it's shooting tends to help with that.

That would seemingly extend to the rest, considering Skyfires kinda add to that in general. Tzaangors seem like beefy melee units that would work well in a list, and it has a lot of fun formations.

Multitudinuous Host feels really undercosted and cycling brimstones/blues/pinks with it and their splitting makes it feel like it never actually dies.

>>51787603

Because my game (WFB) was dead and had, at first glance, been replaced by a cheap imitator, where special rules saying

>If you have a bigger moustache you get +1 to hit
>If you whisper to your models you can reroll your wounds
>If you say "For the Lady" in a noble voice you can reroll 1's

but it's gotten unrecognisably better.

I'll still admit I'm confused by the realms and the weird maps but the setting is still better, rules are better, the fucking community is better and the gameplay is better

>>51783416
You shouldn't have difficulty finding them on eBay if you don't want to buy the entire box.

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>>51787415
I just wish I could make up my mind between Empire or Sylvaneth.

>>51787510
Thanks anon!

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>>51787667
>german than roman imperialism, and serves as a baseline for how awesome stormcast are.

>>51787883
the alt-right's favorite army?

>>51787720
Because GW couldn't have done a worse job releasing AoS and the Stormcast faction

But before any stomcastfags sperg out, they got better and are kind of cool now.

>>51787667
No, the Stormcast are aesthetically fascist as fuck, they're only loosely based upon the Empire's aesthetic.

Same as how the 3rd Reich was only loosely based on the holy roman germanic empire.

>>51784696
Thank you.

>>51787963

They've gotten a lot better. I didn't like them but now I'm drooling on what I'm going to make with my vanguard chamber. Knight-Topknot is first in my list.

>>51788141
don't forget to kitbash the shit out of them to make them extra characterful

>>51784303

Does anyone with a lantern or standard automatically get one of the special lanterns/standards or is it still under the artifact limit?

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This should make for a *really* fun army. Throw in the Celestant-prime to ensure most of the enemy army's multi-wound things are at least a little wounded.
>2 shot Longstrike Raptors
>outflanking 10-shot Hurricane Raptors
>deepstriking Aetherwings or Knights-Azyros providing buffs for both
>Knights-Azyros also provinding Mortal Wounds and Battleshock debuffs (lanterns)
>Lord-Aquilor and a Pallador retinue racing around, murdering big shit with a flurry of javelins and beaks
They even have all battleline concerns covered. I can't wait to give this a go.

>>51788209
You could download the book and look for yourself, y'know? >>51787510
Just an idea.

>>51788324

That's exactly what I'm looking at and why I'm asking.

In fact I'm not sure how I would know about the extra lanterns if I wasn't staring at it right now

>>51788286

Looks fun but you just barely can't fit it all in at 2000. All you miss is the Auxiliary chamber battalion.

Allegiance: Order

Leaders
Lord Aquilor (200)
- General
- Trait: Staunch Defender - Stormcast Eternals
- Artefact: Mirrorshield
- Gryph-Charger Trait: Keen-clawed
Knight Azyros (80)
- Mystic Light: Fury Brand
Knight Azyros (80)
- Mystic Light: Lantern of the Tempest
Knight Venator (120)

Battleline
5 x Varanguard-Hunters (140)
- Stormcast Eternals Battleline (Lord Aquilor General)
5 x Varanguard-Hunters (140)
- Stormcast Eternals Battleline (Lord Aquilor General)
5 x Varanguard-Hunters (140)
- Stormcast Eternals Battleline (Lord Aquilor General)

Units
3 x Varanguard-Palladors (220)
3 x Varanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (180)
3 x Varanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (180)
3 x Varanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (180)
3 x Aetherwings (60)
3 x Aetherwings (60)
3 x Aetherwings (60)

Battalions
Vanguard Angelos Conclave (100)
Vanguard Justicar Conclave (60)

Total: 2000/2000

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>>51788364
>reading is difficult

>>51788506

Yep that's what I was looking for. Suspected it was just like arcane artifacts but wanted to confirm

>>51788491
Damn, didn't expect that. The Auxilliary Chamber is what'd make it all work so well.
Shame, even at best I can only squeeze out another 100 points, but the Auxiliary chamber would cost 140....

>>51788364
Well, you were linking the crappy photoleak instead of that crisp epub...

>>51788568

Well you can drop the Knights azyros and venator for more raptors, that'll at least make up for it a little.

Looks like a good 2500 list though

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>no way to take Dracothian Guard as Battleline
darn.

>>51788506
so an army with two battalions get 3 artefacts, 3 mount boni and prayers?

what a joy I must spend points on my death ring artefact...

>>51788693

Pay your tax cheese lord

>>51788698

You get prayers for every priest regardless of battalions.

Too bad mounts can't be on regular units, it'll be hard having 3 dracothian LCs.

>>51788693
>2-3 units of Hunters, depending on points
>outflank right behind the enemy
>rush your Dracothian guard across the field while your enemy deals with the guys in his backfield

>>51774448

I would use your collection to play Dragon Rampant.

It's basically the skirmish game AoS wishes it was.

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>>51778250
>>51778491

This! People now days don't seem to understand that a hobby is a privilege, not a right. A luxury above your necessities, something that will cost money not all people can afford, no matter the interest you have. Be it expensive cars, collecting Barbie dolls or rare coins, it will cost money (and rest assured, a great deal more money than this hobby will ever cost you!).

Have a friend who acts a bit like >>51778202. Owes me money, then a week later shows up with new stuff for his army... This is bad taste if you ask me.

>>51787957
Of course.
Bringers of light to an age of darkness.
Casting out the degenerate worshipers of corrupt ideologies.
The Celestant Prime is even capable of red pilling.

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>>51787982
>the Stormcast are aesthetically fascist as fuck
This guy gets it

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Is this a good deal to start AoS?

Checking through the free rules though, don't you need at lest 3 retributors for a unit? What did I miss here? Just thought it a bit on the cheep side from GW´s part to only put 2 guys in there?

>Tfw just got some money for my tomb kings army book and 5 people are watching my box of Bret Knights

Might get a getting started set lads

>>51787982
Herp derp its like I was saying they were different. What do you think the germans only had one fucking aesthetic over their history?

Do you all basecoat nurgle minis or just start painting over the primer?

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>>51789190
It's not bad but as you can see by yourself - you have to buy extra little box if you want to run this force with GHB rules. It's really good if you want to merge it with Stormcast half of Starter Set - 1000 points army ready to play. Even if you want to stay with SC! Box only for casual games it's a good pick. I mean, every start collecting box is a good pick for casual games

>>51789190
To supplement the base game, which comes with three Retributors.
If you get one, get the other as well or buy the Easy to Build Retributors (also three dudes).

>>51789190
Compared to the other start collecting sets, it's pretty terrible. It doesnt even give you a complete set of retributors, and everything is the starter set figures. It sucks.

If you want to start AoS, your best bet is to try getting the stormcast half of the starter box.

Very new so apologies if it's too subjective a question but with Bretonnians gone, I've been thinking of starting with a full cavalry list, either Chaos or (less likely) Vampires. Are cavalry lists fun to play against?

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"finished" my first model in like 10 years,

still need to buy the paint to highlight boots and blood for the blood god to do some finishing touches, but oher than that im pretty funny


apart from thinning my paints any C&C famms?

>>51789512

depends on the cav i guess.

blood knights are pretty oppressive, and especially at 1000 points they are aids to play against

>>51789547
Maybe a very light highlight on the edge of the brass of the punch glove, just to give the spikes some pop. Otherwise, great job anon.

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>>51789512
Wanna a cheap and small list (1000 pts)? Just pick a Daemon Prince and 4 boxes of Chaos Knights

>>51789389
>>51789190

youre supposed to buy this after u bought the start pack. no other reason to buy it.

>>51789547
Neat paint job.

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Ok guys, I want to start a Flesh-eater court army, but I'm scared of being that other edgy guy with the undead army. Is it so popular that I'll run into it at every LGS? Or is it just another army? I use to play 40k and I remember a LOT of players fielding the vanilla space marine to a sickening level, and I want to avoid that. Also, which army is in your opinion overused?

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>>51786264
Lok'tar!

>>51789895
>but I'm scared of being that other edgy guy with the undead army
Why don't you just play with an army you want? Even if 90% of armies at your LGS are death it's not your problem. Run what you like and have fun - it's not 40k m8

>>51789895
Just pick whatever you like, people won't reproach you for it. If it's any help, FEC are fairly rare, but not Fyreslayers-rare.
On the other side, High Elves, Seraphon and Chaos are incredibly common.

>>51789970
Pretty interesting idea.

>>51790280
ty for your opinion. Gives me confidence I wont regret my choice. Cant wait for tax return. I'll start with 2 starter boxes I think and maybe an extra ghoul box.

>>51789512
Vampire cav is cancer and anyone who runs it should feel bad. Battleline my fucking arse, Blood Knights should be a unit.

>>51790306
>Tfw spent tax return money on Chaos Dwarfs from forge world

No regrets

>>51789639
>>51789648
>>51790374
Thank you! I'll be playing lower points value games for a while so I think I'll go with Chaos. Appreciate the help!

>>51790374
not cheap though, you pay the points

>>51790506
Points and $$$. They are pricy models.

>>51789547
Welcome to the Iron Khorne army party, I'm running a variation of that scheme myself.

Is there any point on playing with low-model-count army in matched play (regular ogres)?
Most of ppl in my LGS runs either sylvaneth, dorfs, stormcast or ironjawz, one guy plays new tzeentch birds, one runs ogres on big monsters.

>>51790936
low model count armies usually have a strength of really kicking ass. as in each model, even the 'weaker' ones are pretty big beatsticks. However they suffer in most matched play games because the GHB scenarios are objective based, where high model count armies have an advantage.

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>>51789547

There, fixed it for you.

>>51775155
Why is he resin?

>>51789190

The starter set comes with 3 retributors, the 2 in the SC are for completing that unit

>>51789895

I've never seen a FEC player in my store so I would be more than happy to play you
Also I just picked up my preorder, now this is how battletomes should be. Lots of interesting details in the stormcast fluff (names of armor suits, what happens to equipment when a stormcast is reforged, etc) and plenty of big art pictures

>>51789547
I would add some blood on skull part

>>51791431

thanks senpai i was too lazy

>>51791447

limited edition, probably costs too much to make a full plastic injection mold for a model they wont sell forever

For any other golden uber mensch players, Lightning Strike gives a +2 to the roll of Scions of the Storm and RAW the rule of 1 only matters for "to hit, to wound and save rolls". So if you take a battalion, they're still guaranteed to come in if you'd like

>>51789547
>>51791431

anyone can spend 10 hours painting one mini to look great (well not everyone but most people).

check back in with the other 10-30 painted up to such an nice standard and I'll have some respect for your effort.

>>51791763

dude its the first model ive painting in like a decade, i have the 4 others that just need to be highlighted, then its onto the fucking bloodreavers -.-

id say it took 3 hours up to this point, only cus im so innefficient though

>>51791431

Yeah you're getting results m8, if that's your first in such a long time, that's a good tabletop standard.

Should be nice and easy to finish a whole army in that scheme too once you get the hang of it

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Hammerstrike force is now 2 units of any Paladins and it still has no 9" restriction if the prosecutors are alive.

Retributorbomb is still a go. In fact, protector bombing monsters is now officially a thing.

>>51791953
you can also deepstrike the prosecutors now.

>>51791763

but im glad you think its decent

>>51792022

A perfectly viable option if slightly risky for relying on a single 3+ roll. Put the prosecutors down at 9" from the enemy and put the Paladins 6" from the prosecutors, meaning they only need a 3+ on 2d6 to succeed on their charge.

An excellent maneuver against any army that could snipe off your prosecutors too early.

Also celestial supercharge makes protectors do D6 damage on a 5+ instead of a 6.

Contrary to pre release speculation, paladinbombs are better now than ever.

>>51792119
>meaning they only need a 3+ on 2d6 to succeed on their charge.

You can put a single paladin within 6" and the rest already in combat.

can elite low model count armies win matched play scenario tournament play by 'tabling' the opponent? Or do they always lose out to higher model count capping the objectives?

>>51792159
Tabling is not a victory condition. You wipe out the enemy you have the remaing turns for yourself, but it doesn't guarantee victory in a lot of scenarios.

>>51792159

That's been my experience with extremis chambers in tournaments: you either kill/block enough to stop them from capping or you lose on objective.

Unless said objective is "kill your opponents general" in which case a stardrake with a castellant buddy cop is about as strong of a pick as one can get.