/hhg/ - Horus Heresy General

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First for chemical warfare

OI

FAGS

DID THE DAVINITE PRIEST MODEL EVER GET RULES

FAGS

THAT IS ALL

>>51742549
WHY DON'T YOU EMAIL FORGEWORLD

AND ASK

YOU FAbulous individual

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I cannot remember what we assigned #25 to when we added the non-Marine armies to the roll. Shall we just claim this one for all the non-Legiones armies that never get any love?

Milita and Cults guys, what do you do with your armies, how do you model it and is it effective tableside?
Going to make some "Experiments" for my DarkMech, so Levies and a bunch of Chaos Spawn.

>>51742568
SHUT UP FA-RIEND

THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD IDEA

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Why do Space yiffers players make for the worst legion players in 30k? Everything makes them take a shit-fit. Everywhere I read. Complaints. After. Shitposting, After. Complaints. Never say they're one of the best legions out there.
Grey Slayers
>5pt power weapons are too expensive when you give them to the whole squad
>Running and charging with -1 charge range is useless if I run a 1 to run
>I have to buy a boltgun to get the benefits of shooting and charging
>Charging after shooting boltguns isn’t “that” powerful, IW get that for “free” with their ROW
>They don’t get meltaguns or plasmaguns options, so they don’t make “sense”
>I have to give them an apothecary to be good, they’re “overpriced after all of the upgrades I bought”, so I ‘need’ FNP
>Legion rules prevent infiltrators from getting within 18" so i cant get a first turn charge!

>>51742615
Russ
>Russ’ axe isn’t good enough to use compared to his sword
>Being able to not be hit in CC is “NOT(?)” OP (He can negate space marines (WS 4) from hitting because of his -2 to hit, they need 6 to hits, then can’t on the 2nd turn.
>He can “still” get one shotted by D weapons
>Doesn’t buff his army at all (+1 Ld is not a buff, a stat increase? Not for SWs apparently)
>His AP3 bolt pistol wont kill terminators
>His wolves aren’t immune to instant death >Also pissed he can’t auto-kill a primarch in one turn. “He’s the Emperors executioner and has killed 2 primarchs already”.
>They argue with others about his stats not having less than 6+ when some primarchs have 5s in their initiative
The rest
>Deathsworn are overpriced, have to buy rad to go with their 2+ armour saves, free power axes, and other grenades with their 2 attacks base.
>Bjorn isn’t a character yet in the heresy, anyone who said that plastic character is Bjorn should be ‘reeeedddd’ at.
>When will we get Bjorn model?
>Vararygr need 2 wounds at least to be useful and are also overpriced and do not have storm shields
>Frost weapons aren’t all AP2 at initiative
>Priests are overpriced and I have to buy them!!
>VLKA FENRYKA!!! VLKA FENRYKA!!! VLKA FENRYKA!!! VLKA FENRYKA!!! VLKA FENRYKA!!!
>Emperors executioners!!! Emperors executioners!!! Emperors executioners!!!
>"Don't say Space Wolves, or else people will think we're furries" they say with their Wolf tshirts and tattoos and avatars

>>51742527
Anon, your scheme gives me hope for Ushabti Bone.

>>51742568
Asking around after Davinite Priests doesn't sound like Blood Angel behaviour.

>>51742640
Do you have doubts?

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... Do the rules indicate that Arhiman's sehkmet stave sexually identifies itself as a Force Axe ?

>>51742615
>>51742631
The only one sperging about The Vlka Fenryka here is (You).

>>51742695
A kopesh is an axe anon, just a funny looking one.

>>51742663
In my own Death Guard, yes

>>51742753
Don't worry it is quite simple.

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Here's what I have (or will have after painting)

40 tacticals
10 flamer marines
10 autocannon marines
10 veterans with 2 heavy flamers
10 grave wardens
10 tartaros termies with autocannons
2 missile boxnoughts

What should I get next (preferably no large resin models)?

What I've been considering:

apothecaries
vindicator(s) with demolisher
scorpius
third boxnought
contemptor

>>51742615
>>51742631
>>51742709
Well, we don't really complain about all that here because almost all of us are gentlemen of excellent taste so don't play them.

But I suppose if you want a half serious half shit-stirring (You), I think it's because they've been driven mad by the intentional fluff disconnect of presenting them as The Good Guys while their actual role in the HH as the guys proud of being ready to shiv their brothers in the backs at a moment's notice and being the best at indiscriminate slaughter of innocents.

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>>51742615
>>51742631
Maybe you should stay off bolter and chainsword or wherever you are quoting that autism from. A very vocal part of the wolf fanbase are fucking annoying as shit. As for why they have the most annoying fanbase that is because they are too cool for da rules man + wish fulfillment for certain weirdos plus every furfag who thinks he's a wolf

>>51742860
Some sort of HQ would be a good idea.

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>>51742879
Of course I have HQs (praetor and siege breaker) it goes without saying.

>>51742615
I haven't seen many SW players, really. It looks like we've been giving them a hard time since long before any popped up.

But yes, Grey Slayers and Leman Russ are over the top. The army list as a whole isn't going to blow other armies away (TSons might) but it's certainly in the upper echelon.

>>51742860
>apothecaries
>vindicator(s) with demolisher

These two.

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>>51742866
as if logic would bother them. I didn't vote for the emperor faggot. None of you are good guys.

;^)

>>51742727
There was an entire thread about khopeshes recently, and the shitters like you that went on about hurr axes got btfo'd so neatly, it was almost silly.

>>51742904
>looks
Wolves have been shit on since the moment Prospero was announced as being it's own book.

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>>51743021
There are a lot of bullied nerds on /tg/.

>>51742904
I have seen a few games with tsons so far. They can be brutal, but they are dependent on the whims of psychics. They can get wrecked by the pinning shit real quick.

>"Magnus does little for his army"
>Makes them all ld10, countering their downside, and allows your to re roll reserve rolls if you wish

Sure it ain't Alpharius, but it's actually really strong. Also, his RoW is just fucking bullshit.

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>>51743021
As the emperor's executioners its what they deserve (I didn't really give a fuck about them until dan abnett had his way with them). Ultras get shit on too, and more IRL form what I have seen. 30k wolves look a lot cooler than 40k wolves at least. Not that its hard

>>51742727
it's not a khopesh, it's a heqa staff or 'bladed staff'. They were probably ceremonial for priests and were usually quite short hafted but they elongate them to resemble sorceror staffs. Khopeshes aren't exactly axes since the whole thing was usually cast, haft and blade ratehr than being a metal wedge you insert onto a haft.

>>51743076
What's wrong? Do you think there's something wrong with taking the best bits of Primarch's Chosen and Orbital Assault with none of the downsides

>>51742615
>>51742631
literally the first post I made about the yiffs, as a player of them, was how the Grey Slayers are -in some regards- better than Vets squads, Tactical squads, and breacher squads.
I know somethings are OP, I know somethings aren't OP, but it doesn't matter because I am here to have fun.

My only gripe is the HQ tax.

>>51743079
>Ultras get shit on too, and more IRL form what I have seen.
Yeah, that's true, because the current fanbase mostly came in during 4e and didn't know that the 5e SM dex was a return to old form (and had the bonus of not making standard SM shit for the first time in the game's history) and freaked out.

>>51743111
But anon, you are forced to spam Sekhmets! :^)

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>space wolf players

>>51743072
So tell us of these games. Any hilarious psychic stuff? Perils come into play? How'd everyone being pinned effect the turn?

>>51743147

Another upside is you will know who the WAACfags are by how many Scarabs they have compared to FW Sekhmets

>>51743050
I'm always amused by the psychoanalysis of SW vs TS.

I really enjoyed TS in 40k because the colors are nice and animated armour and space wizards are cool concepts.

I also hated SW because the minis and color schemes were lame. Also without those eye covering helmets or long ships, vikings are just lame unshaven white dudes.

Very amusing that the lore basically validated my personal taste in canon.

>>51743125
the hq tax is fluffy. You're on team hero hammer. squads are organised around the guy who talks the most shit while swinging his frostaxe. Grey slayers seem pretty cool, and don't bring stupid weapons but useful ones, unlike the nail in brain weapons.

Was looking at how all Titan variants have a plasma based arm weapon, was wondering if anyone thought Knights would ever get something like that

>>51743186
An invisible sekhmet squad killed of a deathshroud squad and typhon with ease. Probably the most brutal application I have seen.

A heavy support squad got pinned 2 turns in a row because of the perils.

Anyone know how to get that marble like color in >>51742932 pic?

>>51743216
Yeah but Grey Slayers have a Huscarl (horrible name) in the unit, it is a little contained fluff piece already.

>>51743210
Somebody post the AngryWiteGuy pic of him doing the Facebook girl fat face-hiding selfie pose and making that fagface.

>>51743225
>Invisibility is not WC3

Always makes me mad.

>building TS Pride list
>originally had 2 Sekhmet in there
>replaced one with a legion terminator squad
>got called names for taking 2, will get called names for doing this

wizardn ain't easy

>>51743253
Invisibility was a mistake.

Pure and simple. Limits interaction. Ignores fluffy counters. Just a big pile of no fun.

>>51743216
Some of the caedere weapons are kind of neat ideas in themselves, but they're all catastrophically overcosted.

>>51743247
>Huscarl (horrible name)
You talking smack about Dorn's bodyguards?

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>>51743221
No. Titans are getting plasma weapons, knights are getting new heads. That is a major difference between knight and titan.

>>51743247
its an old rule from 40k, dunno if current space wolf codex has the requirement.

I don't even know what the fuck a huscarl is.

>>51743308
>And it's all Erebus's fault too

>>51743290
That's why its horrible, it's already being used by another legion.

>>51743290
>implying dorn won't be bullied into renaming them by russ

>>51743317
Well, the SW detachment had more HQ slots, but I don't think any more were compulsory.
>>51743332
Fuck you Erebus.

>>51743317
The current Wolf dex just has more HQ slots in its custom Force Org chart.
Extra HQs haven't been mandatory for them since the 3e dex.

Huscarl is related to Housecarl, a type of bodyguard/non-servant retainer in Scandinavia. They were sort of like a knight, but of a lesser (equivalent) rank.

They're also your pack mule/bitch when you become a thane in Skyrim.

Do we actually have any Milita and Cults or Solar Aux players here? I never see them.

Was considering getting some of one or the other just to vary things up.

>>51743355
Double dubs confirmed, Russ bullies Dorn

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>>51743372
yeah see 3rd ed they were, there you go. When you go back in time the rules do too lol.

>>51743398
>Russ bullies Dorn*
*As long as he has Valdor, the Sisters, a Titan Legion and a greater daemon housebroken by xenos backing him up.

>>51743390
I've been building up a good sized number of Vostroyan models with the intention of using them as Solar Auxilia, but they're not painted and I don't really have the vehicles to run a list yet.

>>51743433
>mad that he's more popular than you.
Back to the pain glove

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>>51743433
>greater daemon housebroken by xenos
Wait, what?

>>51743447
>mistaking care in the community handlers as friends
makes sense considering he tells everyone his pet puppers are his actual brothers

>>51743463
Fuck you Erebus.

>>51743463
I didn't vote for you

>>51743463
Fuck you Erebus.

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>>51743308

>>51743475
>pet puppers are his actual brothers
kek Lemon is a weird one. If only space wolves were just viking inspired and not wolf inspired.

>>51743437
Yeah, they look like it's AV en masse or nothing, really, since even very excellent GEQ just can't really compete unless they come en masse, for fuck all and are Rending/Zealot and such. I mostly want the army for large numbers of infantry to back up the Reductor Thallax, since I got bored of Adsec having basically no offensive output and eating precious Troop slots.

magnus deserved worse

>>51743675
Malcador pls go.

>>51743675
Magnus deserved to deserve better.

>>51743410
>can't fuck it if it's invisible

>>51743463
Fuck you Erebus

>>51743463

Fuck you Erebus

>>51743729
If you fucked someone who was invisible, would you see your own dick pump in and out, or would it disappear too?

>>51743762
it should disappear

>>51743762
Send an email Forgeworld, maybe they'll include it in the Inferno FAQ.

>>51742631
>His wolves aren’t immune to instant death
Nor should they be, bringing animals onto a battlefield is retarded. They should be T3 with a single wound and no save.

>Sekhmets can only generate powers from Pyro/Telekinesis
>Magnus can only Mind Wrath standard witch-fires

There, TSons are mostly fine. Come on FW, do it.

>>51743932
Right, let's all just ignore cyber-familiars, cyber-eagles and space whale gunships, because everything is only retarded when SW do it.

>>51743949
Primarchs shouldn't have the D full stop.

>>51744009
Even without Mind Wrath he can get the D with Santic, so D would be a thing anyway.

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>>51744009
give russ the d

>>51743072

>>51743226
It's the same as painting lightning. Start on your very light gray pauldron. Paint lots of almost-as-light gray jagged lines. Paint thin medium gray lines discontinuously over the previous gray layer. Maybe some darkish gray at the corners of the jagged lines.

Or get a marble dip kit.

>>51743247
It's an old Norse term for bodyguards.

>>51744033
And then he would be forced to roll on santic, which isn't great and not just get D powers on a primaris for a table which he's likely going to roll on anyway.

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>>51743967
Hey, the Space Whale is my insane idea, don't tar the whole faction with the crazy brush just because I am. Tar them with it for the Ordinatii and the Vaults of Moravec, if you have to.

Also, the familliars are just helpful drones, same with the eagles. They aren't expected to be front-line, trading blows with Vorax and Terminators and not immediately exploding into gore and bits of charred fur.

>>51743949
>solves nothing, the suggestion
There is no such thing as a non-standard witchfire, only different types. It would have to be "non-nova" witchfires.

And why limit the Sekhmet? It makes no sense canonically since they can come from different Cults. Plus they choose from the two weakest, which makes the few not-shit powers good and will be the only time anyone uses those two schools.

>>51743079
30k wolves are almost identical to 40k wolves outside of MkVII armor.

The real problem is that GW insists on focusing on Ragnar's GC with the obnoxious yellow shoulders.

>>51744111
modern sw are light blue not grey.

Emperor's Children-fag here. I got a sprue of the plastic Tartaros Termies and I'm wondering how to best kit them out for a Primarch's Chosen list. Any advice?

>>51743079
>>51742866
What really bothers me is that the BL stuff, which in this case was awesome, built them up as clever warriors who embraced a barbaric exterior and made Russ out to be a real smart team player. I was ready to fall in love with the Wolves as a bunch of complex characters with complex rules to match and instead we got WOLFSTAR STRONK Wolfy World Eaters. So much missed potential.
And I'm a White Scars player.

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Anons, I come bearing news.

The wolves are take HQs outside of their force org every 1000 points.

Regardless of the force orginzation chart being used.

>>51744133
Get some sanguinary guard boxes and coat your termies with the wings.

They must take deathstars of characters!!!!

Bahahahaha!!!

>>51744149
This is an accepted part of the rules, and much better than being forced to play <3001 point games, so how is it bad news?

>>51743463
Fuck you Erebus

>>51743463
Fuck you Erebus.

Taking into account Wrath of Magnus and Fenrisian lore it becomes apparent that Russ' defeat and binding of Morkai was an actual thing that happened and that Morkai was a powerful warp entity of some form.

This is why Rune Priests actually do channel the spirit of Fenris (Morkai) and do not directly utilize the warp.

The fact that I came up with that idea and that GW apparently read something on 4chan and considered it to be prime fluff material is something I'll never cease to regret.

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>>51744149

>>51744139
The trouble with your nice idea is that the complexity of the SW is not typically shown in their actions. Their
>I was just pretending to be a barbaric gloating team killer
>only maybe I wasn't pretending psyche
bullshit doesn't lend itself to rules because it doesn't matter if being packfighters based around an alpha figure rushing into frontal assaults is part of a big strategic ruse or just all they can do, it's all they typically choose to do.
So the rules had to reflect it.

PS White Scars rule

>>51744241
I'm beginning to think FW outsourced Inferno rules writing.

>>51743463
FUCK YOU EREBUS FUCK YOU FUCK YOOOOOUUUU

>>51744241
>>51744149
I also like that they still think there's a rule called "furious assault". They've been getting that wrong for years now.

>>51744277
battle bunnies suggests it is possibly written for 8th

>>51742606
>Milita and Cults guys, what do you do with your armies, how do you model it and is it effective tableside?
Flesh monstrosities akin to something Bile would make. Get the +1S/T upgrades for them and run them with hordes of shitty infantry and +1S/T super ogryn. If nothing else it is horrifying to opponents to see entire units of slightly easier to kill Angrons charging at them, and a unit with like 15 str 7 AP 2 attacks that can't be IDed is pretty horrifying to make.

The idea is that they come from a world that relies on genetically modified humans to fill all of the basic jobs in society from giant pack mules that can carry half a ton, to garbage men who are practically immune to parasites and diseases, to scraggly manlet miners born without eyes but almost super human hearing. When the heresy comes around they swear loyalty to Horus because he specifically asked them to join and they don't really care who rules over them. So they give Horus like 10,000 pseudo marines and 500 pseudo primarchs in exchange for him fucking off.

>>51744063
see >>51743336

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>>51743135
well i mean the old form is 2nd ed. But SW get bullied online. Ultras get bantered IRL

>>51744401
>smile for the camera
>target practice
>I'm too old for this shit
perfect

>>51744325
So do you take the Zealot upgrade along with the +1S/T? Seems like you'd need it, especially to make the Power Axe Ogryns hit more reliably.
I was going to make some genetic/warpy experiments and have some levy groups with something similar, and the Force Commander running around with his ID Rending knife and some Chaos Spawn meatshields.

Man, that sounds both scary and awesome to fight. Would shell ineffectively and then engage in even scrap with Vorax/10.

>>51744401
I assume those are Blackshields?

>>51744310
Then they've been 'writing for 8th' since 5th/6th edition when they started using these terms.

They're just bad at rules

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>>51744538
Guys...what if FW has been waiting on 8th Edition longer than we've been waiting on the Inferno?!

>>51744517
yeah some guy's blackshields hes called robocast on bnc

>>51744538
I'm not good at rules so I'll take your word for it. I wonder why its so hard to get a proof reader.

>>51744595
If these get played against KA's Imperial Fists, do both armies get annihilated?

>>51744595
This is like reverse-KA
Not Iron within, but rather Without Iron

>>51744560
Possibly because they either don't play the game so they don't know interactions or they play the game so much that no matter how things are written, they just get the meaning behind it without the technicalities.


It's one of the reasons why playtesting in many games are spread between veterans and new players for optimal results with developers themselves staying out of it

>>51744595
>a pair of newly entombed battle brothers take their first unstable steps

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>>51744619
Remember how Alpharius and Omegon used to be a single primarch?
Turns out the same was true for the primarchs of the IVth and VIIth.
Dornturabo, Praetorian of Iron.
>>51744643
Down the slippery slope they go!

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>>51744619
Whoever would win get's to be a real son of dorn

>>51744641
I bet if they hire some anon like you it could be fixed. I don't get it.

>>51744133
Depends on their role and how they'll be transported. If they're drop-podding in or taking a LR Proteus they should be shooty because they can't assault their first turn. That's more of a role for Cataphractii, though. If they're in a LR Phobos or Dreadclaw (assault vehicles) they want Phoenix Spears, with maybe a chainfist or two if you find yourself charging a harder target.

>>51744139
Have any of us read the Inferno fluff though?

>>51744265
>it doesn't matter if being packfighters based around an alpha figure rushing into frontal assaults is part of a big strategic ruse or just all they can do, it's all they typically choose to do
Ironically, the guy who came up with the Alpha Male idea in wolves changed his mind, and has spent the rest of his career trying to convince people that it was wrong. It's apparently true in captivity (hence his initial conclusion), but wolf packs in the wild tend to just be families, with the parents as leaders.

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>>51744627

>>51743762
Depends if the invisible thing in question is refracting light or allowing the light to pass through.

If the former your dick vanishes. If the latter, you can see it.

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>>51744595
>>51744680
>>51745020
Probably an old player. Back in 2nd edition everything was full of hazard stripes.

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>>51744865
>Russ didn't like to be seen as a savage
>Didn't know any better, either.
>He hated his spear
>He got KO'd the fuck out and when he woke up he was an imperial
>The Lion didn't get his joke and KO'd him too.
>Portrayed by BL as a jobber, makes the whole Emperor's Executioner thing look forced as fuck.
>His children are unstable as fuck too, his is the only legion without successors.
>His own legion had to have Military Police
>They don't even speak Gothic
>The Vlka will always be remembered for furry-ism, rather than by their hunter and viking themes.
>Cool Speakers of the Dead may be overshadowed by Casters of WITCHERY
>Wolves were a mistake
>Now we learn Alpha wolves aren't a real thing in the wild.
Are...are the SW the new IW or something? Wtf?

>>51745020
Looks damn nice.

>>51745231
It's because SW have the worst Worf effect.

Also conflicting themes don't help. They are trying to be good and scary monsters simultaneously and that doesn't work.
Conflicting themes and messages are also why DAs also don't work as well.

Hell, even the TS are basically ruined by being involved with SWs primarily. The entire Burning of Prospero lore is fucked because writers can't seem to pick the theme of the narrative and have waffled so much on it.

>>51745432
It's a good job we had Laurie, who had his superior vision for the heresy and kept all the authors on the same path.

Oh, wait.

>>51743463
Fuck you Erebus

>>51743268
just do what I'm doing:
>crimson king RoW
> ML3 Praetor, no Magnus, no Ahriman
>Sekhmet with Power Fists that you actually pay for to bring their points up to standard for 2W models
>don't be a faggot, don't roll for invisibility
>still take scoring tacticals because it's 30k

This is old, but what's the story with Talons of the Emperor and the alliance matrix? Are they sworn brothers with anyone?

>>51745582
They're Imperial Agents, so they're sworn brothers to any Loyalist army

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Whatre you guys working on?

Got my 9 psykers about done, just waiting on heads in the mail

>>51745769
Excellent, thanks.

So what's the whole surprise with Thousand Sons being strong? We know psychic powers are strong as hell because of how 7e 40k decided to have them, we knew psychic powers were going to be buffed by TS rules and that Magnus was probably going to be somewhat bullshit. As far as I can tell, they have slightly cheaper termies (although it is odd they're cheaper than Thallax) and Shredding bolters we didn't expect. Is that such a problem?

>>51745825
Bad theory crafting

Shitty List of the day:
TSons 2k, Zone Mortalis Assault Force
205 :: Praetor (Raptora)
ML1, Iron Halo, Digital lasers, Force Weapon, Master Crafted

155 :: Chaplain (Raptora)
ML1, AA, Refractor Field, PW >> FW, Crozius >> FW (Sword + Axe), Melta Bomb
155 :: Chaplain (Raptora)
ML1, AA, Refractor Field, PW >> FW, Crozius >> FW (Sword + Axe), Melta Bomb

165 :: Apothecaries (Raptora)
AA x3

390 :: Cortus Talon (2x)
Chainfist x2, Heavy Flamer x2, Exta Armour, Havoc Launcher

310 :: Breacher Squad (Raptora)
13 man, 2 Flamers, Nuncio-Vox, AA, PF, Breaching charge
310 :: Breacher Squad (Raptora)
13 man, 2 Flamers, Nuncio-Vox, AA, PF, Breaching charge
310 :: Breacher Squad (Raptora)
13 man, 2 Flamers, Nuncio-Vox, AA, PF, Breaching charge

ZMAF gives base to base Breachers +1 invuln so you you get 3 squads of 4++ / 3++ in combat

Matrix of Ruin
Archmagos reductor, machinator+chainfist, photon gauntlet, abeyant, cortex controller, cyber familiar, augury scanner, 1 occularis
Bodyguard:6 scyllax, 5 flamers 1 rad cleanser
Axiarch, Power fist, Mastercrafted weapon, shattersphere grenades

2 min thallax cohort with meltabombs
2 20 man secutarii Peltast units, hammershot rounds, omnispex on alpha, Triaros DT

Vultarax
Vultarax

Krios Venator
Krios Venator

Macrocarid Explorator, phased plasma fusil, 2 mauler bolt cannon sponsons, AC, FS, Dozer blade

Reductor Artillery tank battery, 2 tanks, medusa cannons

how does that look? balanced enough of a list, or is the sheer quantity of flare shields going to make things unpleasant?

>>51745825
Salamanders blackshields

who may or may not be the gene-sires of the Black Dragons

I should give them a real name

>>51745970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ

>>51745995
I'm almost done with the Wulfenlegs squad. The rest will be more normal, just bonespikes/Gal Vorbak-esque mutations etc

>>51743463
Fucking Word Fags Get the Fuck out of my Imperium REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

>>51743463
fuck you erebus

>>51743463
Fuck you Erebus

>>51745917
You don't need the Dozer Blade, you ignore most terrain anyway. Why the Sycllax? They really do suck, and it's not like the Peltasts will have difficulty dealing with hordes in any way.

Personally I'd drop the Scyllax and squadron the Krios, and maybe get some Destructors to put the Archmagos in the Macrocarid with. I'm not sure how the points work out here because you didn't include unit costs, so I don't know what you've got to play with. What is that, 2k?

Also, what's with the Macrocarid loadout? You probably want Irrad Engines and Graviton Imploder if it's carrying Myrmidons or a Flamer Scyllax team, since your loadout does a worse job at pretty much everything than that. Could also use some more Occularis. I would drop one Krios to add more Occularis, change the Macro weapons and swap the Scyllax for Myrmidon Destructors, probably with Grav.

As for cheesiness, should be fine, since a Krios is basically a fast Leman Russ, Triaros has flimsy side and rear and is huge and the Medusas are Chimeras in tankiness. Should probably get them Machine Spirit and possibly Siege plating if you have a couple spare points, MS in particular is very helpful.

>>51743463
Fuck you erebus

>>51742860
>SIR THE CODEX ASTARTES DOES NOT SUPPORT THE AMOUNT OF INFANTRY YOU HAVE.

>T I M E T O M A K E A S U C C E S S O R.

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>>51745970
>>51746025

>>51746182
I CAN'T STOP I'M IN TOO DEEP

>>51746087
thats for 3k, i have 5 points to spare at this point
the scyllax mostly because the models are fun and i wanted a sizeable bodyguard for the magos and axiarch to roll with
macrocarid was mostly just to keep the weapons fairly uniform and to save points
i've come from dark eldar so i have a tendency to take a lot of redundancy, generally irrationally.

>>51745970
>who may or may not be the gene-sires of the Black Dragons

Jesus christ learn to lore man. They're frol the Cursed Founding, their Geneseed was perfectly fine and dandy until the Mechanicus tried to perfect it and fuxked up monumentally. It was gene seed stored in stasis banks, in good condition at first.

30k fucky geneseed/mutants are just not a thing, outside of the TS.

>>51746268
>30k fucky geneseed/mutants are just not a thing, outside of the TS.

And Space Wolves.
And Raven Guard.

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>>51746268
>30k fucky geneseed/mutants are just not a thing

Not that guy, but uh...

>>51746309
>there came into being Legion Astartes who simply should not have existed
Pretty sure the Iron Warriors existed before the Heresy.

>>51746297
And Word Bearers.

>>51746363
>bitter.jpg

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>>51746363
Correct.

>>51746297
>>51746309
Well shit. I was actually unsure of that very last sentence.

In any case, Big Ds in 30k or even their forefathers is just a no no. They just didn't existed.

>>51742606
I spam Levies (em4 union plastics) with Leman Russes (paperhammer) and occasionally whatever the stormtrooperish ones are using Warzones Imperial Trenchers in paperhammer aircraft.

I've spent ≈200 nzd

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>>51746309
Hell, Autek Mor is a terran vet that fouhht in the Unification wars and he's pretty much a Chymeriae

>>51746229
Fair enough, guess those squidbots are more expensive than I thought. Personally I prefer the look of Radium Carbines on the Peltasts, but they're quite new so that's not from experience. They do better on the maths and can be made without an expensive FW upgrade kit, which is nice. Axiarch technically can't join units because he's not an IC, but that's clearly an error. Looks like a perfectly good list, apart from the janky Macrocarid loadout, since Irradiation Engines are so good it's not even funny, and the Grav Imp is superb in an almost all marine environment and can deal with Artificer sarges. I also recommend more Cyber-Occularis, since that's a point you really do want redundancy to stop one spare Rhino sniping the Interceptor off the Medusas before Horus shows up with a bunch of Justaerin. They're cheap and do a fuckton of helpful stuff along with a Djinn-Skein.

If you buy all 4 of them, drop the auguries because you can give the unit full Interceptor anyway, but everything there is Assault and short-range so it doesn't matter.

>>51746403
Doesn't seem that unreasonable to me. Chaos fucks with traitor Sallies, they die out or whatever after the Heresy, geneseed ends up with Fabius Bile or some radical/heretek dude who made things happen.

If I remember from when I read their book a long time ago they aren't even aware of their own origins. Though I recall them getting entwined with some Exorcist traitor successors who were their nemesis.

list rejigged
3k
Archmagos Reductor, machinator, chainfist, abeyant, augury, cortex controller, familiar, 3 occularis, phosphex bomb, rad nades 335
Axiarch Pfist, mastercraft, omnispex 80
2 min Thallax squads, Destructor, Meltabombs 330 total
2 Peltast Phalanx, 20 man, hammershot, omnispex, augury, triaros 880 total

2 separate vulturax, 350 total

Single Krios Venator with extra armour 155

Macrocarid, AC, FS, aux drive, imploder, irrad 305
Myrmidon destructors, 2 imploders 1 irrad engine
Reductor Siege tanks, 2 tanks, medusa cannons, siege plating machine spirit, TL bolters 320

>>51746529
What's the Omnispex for? Does the Achmagos and Axiarch footslog with the Jump Pack Thallax?

>>51746567
hanging out with magos and the destructors to reduce cover saves against the imploders mostly
had the points and didnt have much else to spend it on

>>51745523
>let me buy discount power fists to ID T4 models to make it more fair instead of using axes and risking force pinning my army for ID and wounding on 3+ instead of 2+
Making them cost more by buying more stuff does not bring them in line with other W2 termis, it just makes them that much better. It's the ratio you have to worry about. You cant sink points into Sekhmet because of how discounted they are.

>>51746529
Shiny. Try not to look too smug when those Destructors squish a Primarch and his retinue like a bunch of bugs. It's sometimes tricky, especially when the opponent's been talking him up all game. :)

>>51746567

Omnispex cuts enemy cover by 1, he has Hammershot for AP 3 or a bunch of Grav AP2, well worth the 30 points.

>>51745456
He came on long after A Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns had been written.

He did have some say in the fluff in Inferno, but none of us here will be reading it until someone spoonfeeds it to us.

>>51746600
hopefully it isnt too powerful of a list as i dont want to absolutely crush people

>>51745843
Yeah, their special units and characters are costed very generously. Subtract the usual cost of mastery levels from their psykers and they look surprisingly cheap for their stats. You can easily make the case that Magnus should cost more than 600 points, maybe even 700 by starting with a 'base' primarch's stats and adding stuff to him.

Sekhmets don't even seem to pay for that second wound.

>>51746704
Should be fine, it's fairly standard Reductor fare. Lots of tanks and big Infantry squads, plus a few Thallax. Cheesy would be huge allied Milita rending blobs and about 6 arty tanks, not Secutarii and such.

>>51746191
not saying CAN'T STOP ME NOW, CAUSE I'M HAVING A GOOD TIME, HAVING A GOOD TIME
come now

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Jesus fuck how can FW even fuck up on this.
The Arc RIFLE has the very same range as the Arc PISTOL?
Also, why is the Arc spear weaker than the Arc maul and weaker than the taser goad, which by the way is an electric weapon that lacks haywire.
>Tfw Medusae guns were probably not going to be barrage weapons, but FW fucked up too

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>>51746600
Oh, thanks for clarifying.
I was mistaking it with the Tyrant Siege Master's Omniscope, who totally isn't a Siege Breaker nor a Siege Breacher and isn't wearing an Omnispex
>tfw the Flechette Blaster has half the range than the Secutarii Galvanic-caster's Flechette Burster, but the Skitarii Galvanic rifle has longer range
Fuck these GW/FW names, man. Fuck them all to hell

>>51746865
Jeez.

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Mortarion did nothing wrong! 10 more legionnaires ready to go. Only 15 more till I have two twenty man squads

>>51746996
So...
Is that Salamander trying to steal the secrets of Chem fire so they can add Shred to their +1 flamers?

Trying to decide which legion I'm going with, deciding between Sons of Horus and Thousand Sons. I already have a little bit of Tsons stuff, but with how Inferno is turning out, starting to think they might not be the best decision.

>>51747158
Thousand Sons all day
You don't need tactical marines, all you need are terminators and dreadnoughts

>>51747022
The XIVth is an equal opportunity legion, nigga.

>>51747158
Sons of Sons
Thousand Horus

>>51746865
This is genuinely the worst rules supplement I have seen put out for any game I actually played. It's like diarrhea smeared over several hundred pages. I am offended by how little sense it makes.

>>51747158
Thousand Sons are almost certainly a stronger army, but Sons of Horus aren't bad. It will mostly come down to your preferred play style.

>>51747158
Go for fluff,or how keen you are to paint sea green or fuck around with metallics.

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>>51747194
Srry, didn't mean that. Rather, since HH2 I've seen the Salamanders as the opposite of the DG, wielders of the same flaming resilience theme, but in a different way.
Both immune to the Fears of the 30k galaxy, both put worlds to the torch, but one sought to break while the other sought to cleanse.
A haiku

Upon the black sands
Brother fights against brother
Flames meet noxious chems

>>51747302
>Salamanders
>black
>brother
We get it already man, it's okay, everyone's a little bit racist.

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>>51747329
>Angelus will take five years

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>>51747329
Shieeeeet
Not my fault Istvaan V's sand is black.
Besides, non-standard sand colours sound cool.

>>51747158
The big difference in the grand scheme army wise is do you want psyker power or not? Fluff is a whole other thing

You'll be called cheese more often that not, even if you build a shit list with the thousand sons that doesn't abuse pysker powers.

Or, you can play Sons of Horus and nobody will bat an eye at you, even when you drop pod in tons of vets with combi weapons within twelve inches and delete units

However However, you could be an amazing person and make your army Luna Wolves, that way you can be loyal with no questions asked and still do what ever the fuck you want whether it's deep striking goodness or more standard fair tactics

>Luna Wolves a best, traitors a shit, SHIT

When did FW stop putting the Traitor/Loyalist labels on named characters? I just noticed none of the units in Inferno seem to have those labels.
I mean, yes, it's obvious Russ or Valdor will always be Loyalist, but still.

>>51747397
When they stopped trying.

>>51747397
>it's obvious Russ ... will always be Loyalist

Don't be so sure :^)

>>51747456
I swear to fuck, if GW makes Russ go chaos after Time of Ending I'm going to film a sequel to Death Holy Death's dark elf video.
Bastards are killing my favorite setting.

I don't know where else to ask this (pls no bully) but why did Vulkan chimp out on the natives in Promethean Sun?

I mean shit, it wasn't their fault they didn't have a fucking primarch to save them from the Dark Eldar

>>51747605
>kyme

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Rolled 3 (1d3)

1-Iron Hands
2-Dark Angels
3-Imperial Fists

>>51746461
nah, that's just because he's more machine than man now. he puts the "dreadnought" in "tactical dreadnought armor"

>>51745231

Adding to this, white scars in 30k really ursurped the wolves role as the awesome good guy (not) savages since the scars don't have an overpowering and obnoxious theme besides being northern Chinese.

>>51747605
No, anon. Salamanders don't chimp out, that's what traitors do.
Vulkan simply put the natives to the torch, and spared them from a life of xenos-worshipping.

Also, because Kyme

>>51747623
>>51747735
It's phenomenal that Kyme doesn't understand how to write someone that at base is just blacksmith Superman

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>>51744139
At least you got Pale Hunters.

>>51747778
Superman is hard to write, though.

Then again, it seems like Kyme is making it harder for himself in a way that few others have done before.

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>>51747852
>The Space Wolves Legion's reputation as hunters among the Legiones Astartes is matched only by the White Scars.
>The Space Wolves value speed and the surety of the strike as do the White Scars, but favour more the bloody, relentless wearing down of a fow, much as their namesake of Terran lore.
>No quarter or honour is offered to the prey, and theirs is a fate of remorseless cruelty after which death seem as a blessing to many
Still lost to some fucking orks.

>>51747857
I still find it hilarious that the first thing Kyme did when he was allowed to write about Vulkan was make him literally immortal, removing the miracle and mystery of how Vulkan survived Istvann. And then tried to came up with some convoluted plot by which Vulkan could still be killed, only to come up with an even more vague and stupid plot by which to ressurect him.

It also means that hardly anybody gives a fuck any longer about what happens to Vulkan, as he will just respawn anyway.

>>51747943
>the first thing Kyme did when he was allowed to write about Vulkan was make him literally immortal, removing the miracle and mystery of how Vulkan survived Istvann. And then tried to came up with some convoluted plot by which Vulkan could still be killed, only to come up with an even more vague and stupid plot by which to ressurect him.
This.
It's just ridiculour, man.
Does anyone have a better headcanon? Or what did the previous lore say about Vulkan's escape?

>>51748019
>Or what did the previous lore say about Vulkan's escape?

Nothing, he somehow survived Isstvaan and then gets lost sometime after the second founding which is why Salamanders dont have a Chapter Master and their first captain leads the chapter.

If every dumb nigger in the Thousand Sons was psychic according to Inferno, and the Rubric only rubricized non-psychic Thousand Sons, how the fuck are there Rubricae?

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>>51748077

>>51747943
One of Kyme's things is that he takes whatever 'cool' new thing another author came up with and fucks it up in some way. There's a lot of examples, but let's just pick Thiel and the Red-Marked.
So Dan's idea was just a really cool way to nod at why red helms became squad leader signifiers. This worked not just because it was a cool nod, but because it was one of those things that almost everyone had never really wondered about, despite red helms actually being quite odd for the UM scheme once you stop and think.
It could have been left at that, and Thiel could have fulfilled the obvious intention for him, to die in obscurity on Calth after his contribution to history. Nice and thematic.

Instead he becomes this Dirty Harry Wolverine cool badass who leaves Calth because reason, then puts together his SAS squad who just do whatever they want because reasons, and then they all put on red helms because no reason at all, and what's the name for this squad? What Greco-Roman inspiration did the author mine for some rad name that could fit an outrider unit that use unconventional tactics? Well none, they're just the Red-Marked. Wow, how awesome and cool and original.
Fuck Kyme.

>>51748154
Because only those with psychic strength enough to resist the Rubric made it. All psychic doesn't mean they were all dudes that could throw warpfire and levitate tanks.

Think of poor Legionary Pterry, who could only bend spoons.

>>51748185
Imagine a shitfest of a book/novella written by both Kyme and French with a touch of Abnett :^).
I hate them both so much.

>>51748203
Nobody did any 'resisting' the Rubric. If your psychic ability was above a certain treshhold, said ability was enhanched and you became extremely resistand to mutation rather than food for a vacuumcleaner.

Resisting would mean nothing happend to the person doing the resisting, which most certainly was not the case.

>>51748019
>>51748039
To give context to this, it was believed for ages that this was an error on someone's part at GW. Vulkan was believed dead at the massacre and it was left at that, then in one line about the Codex Astartes it mentioned that Vulkan was chill with it.
And people were like, hang on, he was MIA at the massacre, how come he was around for the Legions being split into Chapters?
And GW went urrrrmmmm....dunno lads. Myths and legends and don't trust history and shit?
And that's how that plot all started.

>>51747232
It's actually shocking how head-scratchinglly fucked up it is even in the parts that aren't necessarily wrong.

>Deathsworn entry makes it look like an entire block of options was left out
>Priests of Fenris can take a combat shield for 5 points, despite already having a refractor field

>>51747397
They're supposed to be there, the editors just missed that too.

>>51748312
Yeah, the only thing I remember about Vulkan after Istvaan is about the Codex.
Figures, they could have gone full IH back then...but GW pulled a FW and fucked up.
>In other news, Ferrus opposes the Codex Astartes: "We weren't made for concerns such as rulebooks. We go, unflinching, and do the Emperor's Will upon the galaxy", he declared

>>51748264
Resist as in, resist the deleterious effects if you were powerful enough. To withstand, struggle against.
Like that bit where Sanakht almost succumbs due to him being mind-raped seconds before it goes off.

>>51748318
Don't forget a 20 man Grey Slayer squad can take a Rhino as a DT

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>>51745825

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>>51748039
>which is why Salamanders dont have a Chapter Master
Seriously, is Tu'Shan gonna have to choke a bitch?

So I'll be getting some Solar Auxilia axemen. But I'd like some spice in there too.

If I techno-barbarian'd the shit out of these guys and gave em rusty DAoT armor with powerpacks and such, would they be a nice addition to mix in?

https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_62&products_id=3148&osCsid=cgk7ir68hreu2lqvpai7hr4os5

>>51748424

It lets them get in the rhino and drive off when they lose half the squad :^)

>>51748312
Was Vulcan chill with it, or did he just not give a fuck since there weren't even a thousand Salamanders left at that point?

>>51748424
The other 10 dudes are clearly hanging off the sides and thumping the hull going awoooooo oooga booga where da malificarum at

>>51748424
surely that can't be right

I've seen some good helmeted versions of Fulgrim and Perty, Are there any helmets that could be used for Leman Russ?

>>51748539
We wuz legions and sheit

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>>51748609
Only one option.

>>51742513
>Rubio's base is the best thing about the model
Hey, I got summaried! Kinda wish you'd mentioned the proportion rape part though.

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>>51748609
>I've seen some good helmeted versions of Fulgrim
I don't believe you

>>51747735
>>51747623
It's just so weird, given how much effort they later spent building Vulkan up as one of the handful of compassionate primarchs not looking for any available excuse to purge the unclean. I've read up to Pharos, but only read Promethean Sun yesterday which is why I was so late in asking.

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>>51748609
sadly there are none I've ever seen for Corax. Getting him soon (in about a month) and I'd personally love to do a helmeted version but I don't know what the hell to use for a helmet, and My greenstuff-fu is weak

>>51749512
Standard beak would be good.

>>51743390
I play Solar Auxilia (and Militia), or at least I've bought the models. Still working on assembling and painting.

>>51749521
I've seen one done that way, and it just looks like he's got a shrunken head. needs to be about 1.5x normal size to look 'right'

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... this is a misprint, right? Hoplites already have a 12" Haywire gun, why would you pay 10ppm on a 10-20 man unit for a gun that only gets to rapid fire at 6" range? And, of course, they're 24" Rapid Fire in Skitarii which is where they're directly lifted from.

Even at 24" it's still straight worse than Rad Carbines or Hammershot unless you get the whole unit in Rapid Fire range and even then it's barely better and not worth the whopping 200 points you'd have to spend on a 20-man unit. The only perk is the Haywire, and again, you've got Hoplites for that already, so why bother?

Wait so why do the TSons and the Burning of Prospero set come with MK3 armour? I believed the TSons have their own variant of the MK4 specifically provided for them by their own forgeworld.

Could one of the armour autists help me out here? Or even just point me in the right direction. I'm sure Inferno will have some information but I wont have that for awhile yet and I'd like to get reading.

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>>51749521
With that gorget? Don't do Corvus, he'll have the same problem as when people put Mk III heads on Polux.

>>51749521
>>51749608
Yeah there's a guy from the thread who did this last year, and it ended up looking kind of okay but still a little weird. You'd need to find a different scale head or sculpt it yourself to get the size right. IIRC it looked a lot worse unpainted but when he had it finished it wasn't terrible, but it still wasn't quite right.

>>51749627
>I believed the TSons have their own variant of the MK4 specifically provided for them by their own forgeworld.
They do, but they put Mk III in the box because GW already did Mk IV in Calth, and they wanted to release another generic Heresy-era armour Mark sprue.

>Could one of the armour autists help me out here?
I love how "armour autist" has become a slur towards people who actually know the damn lore.

>>51749661
>I love how "armour autist" has become a slur
Were all autists here Anon, and fgts of course, and whatever you like sucks.

>They do, but they put Mk III in the box because GW already did Mk IV in Calth
Well that makes too much sense. Should have realised that, but I didnt even look at that box set. Looking over it now however, it seems like that may actually be a better choice for a TSons force? Except for the Tartaros Pattern Termi armour for the Sekhmet. Hmmm.

What are your thoughts on a Contemptor with two Aether-fire cannons? Point sink, certainly it is, but it could be fun!

>>51749757
>Except for the Tartaros Pattern Termi armour for the Sekhmet
Well, Sekhmet can take either Tartaros or Cata, so yeah. Do you like better saves at the cost of S&P, or Sweeping Advances?

>>51749783

Not that anon but I'm planning on getting both. Sometimes you want that +3 invuln to get in those chainfists.

>>51749783
thing is for cata you'll need to get a couple of FW upgrade kits for regular non-fist/claw weapon arms.

however you could easily use those arms with things like GKT force swords.

>>51749624
Has to be a misprint.

>>51749827

>thing is for cata you'll need to get a couple of FW upgrade kits for regular non-fist/claw weapon arms

or you could just trim the chainfist arms and glue on some CCWs

>>51749783
Honestly I care more about the fluff. The 30k scene is tiny where I'm from and this is more about the hobby aspects. I'm honestly unsure what termi armour design the TSons preferred, however the new Scarab Occult are models as Tartaros.

If I can find answers for that the decision will be easier.

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>>51743050

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>>51749888

>>51749864

Cataphractii is canonically the rarest termie armor (unless you count stupid Saturdine) which is why it gets the special FW treatment. Tartaros was the dominant termie armor of the era prior to stocks running low and Indomitus flooding the market, which is why Scarab Occult by and large are in Tartaros armor.

So if you had to guess about TS preference, it would be the best technology available - since they had their own forgeworld producing top of the line stuff and state of the art psyker-friendly armaments. Anything goes as long as it works and as long as it preserves lives as opposed to sacrificing them.

>>51749864
The upcoming Sekhmet upgrades are Cataphractii, so you won't exactly be starved for options. FW's done some pre-Tzeentch Tartaros designs too, but they're not sure when/if they'll release those.

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I wonder if FW will make khan with his personal rhino, like they did last time

>>51749950

>Perturabo gets a discount Shadowsword
>Dorn gets a discount Thunderhawk
>Magnus gets a bonus LOW slot in king formation
>Khan gets a free rhino

why even white scars?

>>51749982
it's got plasma cannon sponsons and a badass space marine hood ornament

>>51749982
>implying it isn't a rhino that gets to move three times per turn, has assault vehicle, and can always flat out and shoot

Do you even go fast?

>>51749950
>primarch
>basically just a space marine with Abby's topknot and mustache
Ahhh, the good old days. Giving him a personal Rhino for Siege of Terra would be cool though, assuming the black books ever get that far.

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>>51749992
wait, shit, those are heavy flamer sponsons

would still fast in/10

>>51750000
I miss them. The first thing I saw anyone do with the old white scar expansion pack was call the sergeant "jaghatai khan" and no one batted an eye.

>>51749916
>So if you had to guess about TS preference, it would be the best technology available
Yeah I agree. Its mostly likely not going to come down to what was available but what their preference was. Guess I just have to wait for the damn book still.

>>51749935
>The upcoming Sekhmet upgrades are Cataphractii
Interesting. I just checked and you're right. At this point I'm thinking Calth will be the better choice with the TSons upgrade kits for the marines, termis and contemptor. When they're released anyway.

>>51749764
It are just plasmacannons with Soul Blaze, the most useless special rule ever invented

Just take plasma cannons and don't even bother.

>>51749764
Soul Blaze is not worth 10 points. 1 point maybe 2, but even 5 is too expensive.

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Alright, since we're on the topic of TS armor, Would it be against fluff to use these colors on MKIII?

>>51750436
Would be hard to justify IMO for a force under Magnus. After Prospero however, off world loyalists might revert back to pre-primarch colours.

Rolled 2 (1d2)

1 DA
2 IF

>>51750436
probably not, since mk3 was probably in use before magnus was found

that's a pre-magnus scheme, right?

>>51750436
>>51750462
Fuck magnus. The blooded millennium hunters is where its at. Do it.

Here's a question: Using the disks from the exalted sorcerer box as bikes? Yay or nay?

>>51750482
Nay for the most part. They're Tzeentchian Daemons, aka screamers.

The TSons options really depend on which part in the timeline you are trying to represent however.

>>51750482
>disks of tzeentch in the legions
Maybe post-prospero by the traitors who fled imperial justice and embraced chaos.

I imagine any of the ones doubting their primarch's nonsense would trust their tutelaries and shit anymore, though.

>>51750503
They are daemons technically, but the disks do look like archeotech rather than eyeballs for days

>>51750522
>They are daemons technically
They are daemons fullstop. Thats not to say you cant model/kitbash/whatever. Just realise that the first thing people will see is a Daemon.

>>51750482
Those disks are literally daemons. Like, they are literally a Screamer of Tzeentch bound into a more convenient form that doesn't try to eat your soul, and forced into servitude to its rider. Almost always given as a gift by Tzeentch himself. Meaning the Thousand Sons didn't have them untill they well and truely fell to Tzeentch and became his pawns for realz, which happend somewhere between the burning of Prospero and the siege of Terra (Rubric should have happend in the same time period)

If you want hover disks I would convert something yourself because not many people will let you get away with "but they're not Discs of Tzeentch"

>>51750539
>(Rubric should have happend in the same time period)
Why? Its much better after the scouring, as it gives Ahriman time to realise the horrors the warp is having on the legion and set up the Rubric.

>>51750538
>>51750539
You're both missing my point, I acknowledged they're deamons in-lore. Telling me something I already obviously know doesn't make sense.

My point is that they physically look like archeotech hover disks. Just like how TS iconography has tzeetchian elements to them forshadowing their fall; The disks could be along the same forshadowing lines. Maybe they're spooky tech, maybe they are powered by the 'tutors', maybe they literally are the tutors taken a form and are what later become known as discs of tzeentch.

Follow up point, FW is already changing the lore to have a lot more than a thousand survivors post prospero.

>>51748155
Do we have more?

>>51750577
Because Ahriman's horror of the mutating effects of Chaos were already firmly established with what happend to his twin brother and all that. And the Thousand Sons started to suffer severly from the flesh change the moment they were teleported to the planet of sorcerers, so if it would take him untill the Scouring there would barely be anybody left. And it would also be a bit difficult to explain how the TS could fight on Terra whilst they were almost constantly fighting the flesh change.

Time is all fucked up in the Warp and Eye of Terror so it can work.

>>51750628
> and are what later become known as discs of tzeentch.
Look I hate to harp on but we already know what they are, screamers of Tzeentch. YOU can have YOURS as what ever you want, just dont confuse that with the actually lore surrounding them.

>by the 'tutors'
Tutelaries for future reference, but thats more of a BL thing I believe.

>>51750628
>they physically look like archeotech hover disks

Not really. There is weird warp flame coming out of the underside, and there is not even the slightest hint of anything technological on them.

But specially with how iconic they are there'll not be that many people who won't say it are daemon steeds.

>>51750654
>Because Ahriman's horror of the mutating effects of Chaos
Thats still just his motivation. I dont follow sorry.

>And the Thousand Sons started to suffer severly from the flesh change the moment they were teleported to the planet of sorcerers,
And source? Because that is not the old lore at all. I'll dig that up and show you.

>Time is all fucked up in the Warp and Eye of Terror so it can work.
Cop-out imo. Just have the story make sense narratively and you dont need time shenanigans.

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>Kills an Eldar titan with his bare hand
What do we think his stats will be in Angelus?

>>51750654
Index Chaotica: Rubricae
>After the Battle of Prospero, the Thousand Sons were not encountered again until much later when they were sighted fighting alongside the
arch-traitor Horus. Feeling he had little choice in the matter, Magnus had pledged himself to one of the fell Gods of Chaos – Tzeentch, Lord of
Sorcery, Changer of the Ways. He and his Legion had been denied the pursuit of knowledge, betrayed by their Emperor and attacked by their
own brethren, the Space Wolves.

>At first, the Thousand Sons seemed protected against the corrupt mutations of Chaos. Even when the Horus Heresy failed and the Legion was
forced to retreat within the Eye of Terror, their members did not suffer the horrible fates of so many others. Instead of wandering lost within that
realm, guided by his patron Magnus led the Legion to a new planet – a world rich in magical power. It was hoped that it would became a haven
of knowledge and research within the Eye, but the ways of Tzeentch are capricious...

>No sooner were the Thousand Sons ensconced upon their new homeworld – the Planet of Sorcerers – than many of their members became
afflicted with grotesque mutation. These were much like the mutations that had beset the Legion before they were reunited with Magnus – only
more prolific and horrible than ever. It was a bleak time – after the destruction of Prospero and the failure of the Horus Heresy, the Thousand
Sons were losing what little they had left of their own humanity. Some few embraced these new manifestations, but the more senior members
of the Legion were aghast. Their valiant pursuit of knowledge had resulted in little more than madness and abomination. The Chief Librarian of
the Thousand Sons, Ahriman, would not stand idle – even if Magnus seemed resigned to such a dismal fate.

And I'm sure this is echoed in IA and Visions of Heresy. Thats not to say it cant change in Inferno lol. As with all TSons full it changes with every release.

>>51750798
Angron could benchpress a titan so his S might be the same.

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I'm making a 1000 pts zone mortalis Emperors Children, I have some spare minis and termies from Prospero and Calth.

Fulgrim
5 Tartaros
5 Palatine Blades
10 Vets

Thank you based Primarchs Chosen.

What's the best loadout for the Palatines?

>>51750028
I can't believe I never noticed the beakie helmet stored on the back of the bike before.
Wait, he's wearing mkVIII armour, how would he wear a mkVI helmet?

I guess that's why he isn't.

>>51750935
>Taking a primarch at 1k, in ZM no less.
No one is going to play you so why bother?

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>>51743185
You sure that's not just Richard Nixon?

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Rough idea for the Feudal World Imperialis Militia mobile Gorgon Fortress

More banners n sheeit

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>>51751023
Have some inspiration from the Inquisitorium Facebook group (they have tons of great painters and conversions there btw).

sauce: https://secretsofthevoid.wordpress.com/2017/02/15/gallery-of-the-swamps/

>>51751061
Wonderful, thank you

>Misplace $100 worth of unassembled FW

kill me

>>51751069
anon...

How?!

>tfw he only lost a few bits and it's still worth $100

>>51751071
No idea

I thought I moved them into the garage for storage but now i cant find the fucking things anywhere

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>>51751023
Just do use Banehammer rules to make a Leviathan or something. Or, there is the Capitolis Imperialis, which packs less guns but more transport space.

>>51751124

That's a big transport.

>>51751129
for ALPHARIUS

>Ammitara Occult Intercession Cabal
>Brotherhood of Psykers (Level 1)
>Mind killer WC 2
>Harnessing on a 4+ meaning risking perils if trying to get if off reliably
>Cant purchase arcane litanies
This unit is trash right?

>>51751146
A load of ignores cover snipers sounds pretty good in theory, but since sniper vets are a thing its kind of moot

>>51751146
>This unit is trash right?
For their intended purpose? Absolutely. It's worth noting that they do have massive discounts for the amount of gear that they have though. But Veteran Tactical exist, and are scoring.

Rapiers have 2 crew, but on the models one dude is riding on the thing. How does this work in terms of targeting and wound allocation? Is the rapier always the closer target and the operator is the last one to die? How do you treat blasts and flame templates? Do they just cause 1 hit when touching the rapier or two or does the blast/template have to touch the operator to get the second hit in?

>>51743463
Fuck you Erebus, treasonous cunt.

>>51751509
nearly everyone I've ever met has the dude on a base instead of riding.

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>>51751509
>How does this work in terms of targeting and wound allocation?
easiest way? Make it work like vehicle facings.

shots originating behind hit the operator first
shots originating to the front/side hit the gun first

How you aim the gun determines where the front/sides/back are.

This is one of those things you have to work out with your opponent before the game starts, but that's usually how it plays out.

>>51751509
Personally I just play it that if blasts/flamers hit the rapier it counts as two hits. Bit of a disadvantage for my rapiers but it's not as if they're not strong enough anyway.

Allocating wounds go to the rapier if coming from the front/foward side, crewmember if coming from behind/rear side.

>>51746996
those decals need a bit of microsol m8

>>51747651
Check out this video if you ever feel intimidated by painting yellow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biqPX_uQ6m0&t=40s

>>51751509
SHOOTING AT ARTILLERY
If shooting at an Artillery unit, the Toughness of the guns is always used whilst at least one gun remains. Any Wounds that are caused are still allocated to the closest model first.
If an Artillery unit chooses to Go to Ground, this does not increase the cover save of the guns – only the crew benefit.

Speaking of rapiers, would a laser rapier battery be a good place to put a forge lord with a conversion beamer? He'd add to their long distance firepower. SW one could bring 4 cyberwolves to give the battery more wounds.

>>51752224
ASSAULT PHASE
Artillery units cannot charge as long as they include any gun models.
If an Artillery unit is charged, only the crew models can fire Overwatch shots with their
side arms (if any). After Overwatch has been resolved, move the charging models into base contact with the crew and Artillery gun models as normal. No Wounds can be allocated to the guns. All engaged enemies roll To Hit and To Wound against the crew (even if they are only engaged with guns). Engaged crew models can, fight back, but the Artillery guns cannot.

>>51748424
And Legion and special Terminators barring Justaerin, Varagyr and Sekhmet may take Spartans at any sizes.

>>51752224
None of that answers what I'm asking. If you have a model on or inside a model, do all the hits get allocated to the platform before the operators, because the platform is always closer than the operator inside it? How do you count hits from template and blast weapons that hit the platform with an operator inside it?

>>51748424
They can. They just can't fit inside it. Nothing new here. In 40k you've been able to take transports for squads too large to fit inside.

You can still use it to get transports for units that can't take Rhinos (they just have to embark once on the board) or just use it as like a multi-melta or havoc launcher platform.

>>51752241
All those FIT inside their transport.

20 furrballs dont fit inside a rhino no matter how awesome you think the space yiffs are.

>>51742513
>it doesn't help that autists complain about using GW bikes
Don't mind me just using bulldog terminator arms and regular ass cannons on my tartaros

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>>51752353
Rhino Advancer when?

After plastic Spartan, when FW has to come up with a new money making scheme for all their big units.

>>51752354
There's barely any difference in the arms and the Tartaros shoulder pads go on Indomitus arms just fine. And as long as you're having assault cannons on those terminators, why not use the 40k gun?

>>51743902
Thus. Please God this.
Post response

>>51743967
Well the space whale thing IS fucking retarded. As are the rest.

>>51750028
>>51750949

>tfw chapter serf hands you the wrong helmet

It's obviously happened a couple of times before, given that half his head is bionic and the other half has a big old set of scars. Perhaps an artificer added a gorget to his plastron, but the techmarine says mechanicum rules forbid swapping his helmet for one that fits in case it upsets the machine spirits of his armour.

>>51752383
Still pissed the Sisters don't have a grav-rhino yet.

But yes, I can't wait to have mobile PotL fortresses.

>Dorn tapping his head captioned with "you don't need turrets if you don't hide yourself within metal boxes".jpg

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>>51744310
Battle bunnies have FW cock shoved soo gar down their throat to the point where they breath FW cum at this point.
Pic related on anything from Battle Bunnies.

>>51744401
> wubba lubba dub dub
Best shield, best immortals.

>>51752510
>Still pissed the Sisters don't have a grav-rhino yet.

Not even regular rhinos, disregarding all the art of SoS with rhinos.

>>51745456
Is Laurie because Erebus IRL?

>>51746461
Nah man. He is just mostly machine by now. Also he is from the now mythical time when FW cared, just a TINY bit, about 'balance"

Can a SW Forge Lord have 6 cyberwolves? He has access to two like any other centurion and can take 4 instead of servo-automatas. Neither entry doesn't seem to deny the other. Or are Fenrisian wolves only available to non-consul centurions?

>>51752353
Indeed they don't, but isn't somewhere a rule concerning DTs saying they can't be taken if the unit doesn't fit in. I know the Red Books tend to be specific about it, but I haven't really paid attention to the general rulebook lately, although I remember 10-man TacSquads could take Razorbacks back in the day.

Also
>yiffs
>awesome
Where the fuck did you deduce that from?

>>51747554
So you will become a little faggot cam whore?
Are you models as shit/ not painted as his were?

Can we agree that TSons are fine beyond termies being undercosted and Magnus being dumb with Ds?

>>51752511

So does everyone posting here. Otherwise you'd be in 40k General.

>>51752641
I thought I was in the 40k general for a second was utterly confused.

TSons are fine MOST of the time. When the dice go their way, biomancy rolls on the sword guys for example, then lube up cause its gonna hurt. And fuck Guard of the Crimson King. Still they arent completely broken like people were saying on the first day, they're just above average. Power creep and all that.