Warhammer Fantasy General: We Do Not Sow Edition

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>>51684209
THIS!
IS!
NAGARYTHE!

"We do not sow"?

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>>51684279
It's a ASoIaF gag. House Greyjoy, whose coat of arms is a gold kraken, has the words 'We Do Not Sow' as their motto, a reference to the fact that their culture is based around piracy and reaving. Fellheart's a corsair with a kraken mask, and the druchii don't sow, either (they, like the Ironborn, have slaves for that).

For whoever was asking about Bretonnian burial practices, see pg. 40 of Knights of the Grail.

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>>51684209

I don't know if he'll see this, but a thread ago I was talking about Vampire Counts core and how I hated Ghouls. I said I'd post a list. This is a bit rough but here it is.

I'm also 8 points over so I need to shave some off.

Critique and comments welcome, cheers.

Lords
Vampire Lord - 220
level 1 wizard
heavy armour - 6
enchanted shield - 5
ogre blade - 40
talisman of preservation - 45
quickblood - 30
red fury - 50
= 396

Master Necromancer - 165
level 4 wizard - 35
dispel scroll - 25
= 225

Heroes
Wight King - 85
fencers blades - 35
the other tricksters shard - 15
= 135

Core
44 Skeletons - 220
champion - 10
standard bearer - 10
banner of swiftness - 15
musician - 10
= 265

40 Skeletons - 200
champion - 10
standard bearer - 10
musician - 10
= 230

20 Zombies - 60
= 60

5 Dire Wolves - 40
= 40

5 Dire Wolves - 40
= 40

Special
29 Grave Guard - 319
39 great weapons - 29
seneschal - 10
standard bearer - 10
banner of the barrows - 50
musician - 10
= 428

10 Black Knights - 210
10 sets of barding - 30
hell knight - 10
standard bearer - 10
musician - 10
= 270

4 Vargheists - 184
vargoyle - 10
= 194

Rare
Terrorgheist - 225
= 225

Total: 2508

>>51684828

I should also mention it's not hyper competitive. Hence why I kept away from 2 Terrors.

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Tetsubo never

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>>51685610
I'd rather a Cathay army desu. You could add in some extra rules for samurai and assassins, as well as warriors from Ind, so you could have a purely Cathayn force, or enough flexiblity to include some 'mercenaries' from other lands, or to even make Ind or Nippon armies on their own. Sort of like how at least in theory you could create an Estalian or Tilean army with Empire or Bretonnian rules.

>>51685706
I've meant to compile a Cathay image in the same manner but I keep putting off digging up every reference to Cathay in books. Most of it is lore stuff, I don't think there's actually any rules, so it's kind of reverse of Yamato/Nippon I guess.

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So I've just seen what is likely to be the end of a campaign, and I'd like to know if anyone's interested in the tale of it. Does anyone remember many threads ago, when I told the tale of my first WFRP session? Of how I barely escaped a beastman horde and made the heal check with no training in medicine? That campaign.

>>51685786
I don't recall but go on.

>>51685786
I recall it vaguely, and was thinking "Ha ha, he's fucked," and also "I need to bully my players more." Go on.

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>>51685786
I don't remember that story, but I would love to hear the end of it. There's a mug of good dwarven ale in it for you.

>>51684378
Sounds like a house everyone would eventually get sick off and gang up on.

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If most Vampires are, indirectly or not, descended from the culture of the Tomb Kings, why did they develop such a strange and unique form of dress and armor?

>>51688262
Because GW has this philosophy that every faction needs a distinct look. I always felt it was the dumbest thing ever with Vampire Counts since they don't really have a unified culture and anyone from any walk of life can end up as an undead.

>>51688262
Why are these vampires so ugly while Lahmians and Ulrika are pretty?

>>51688449
I'm gonna guess that in 7'th edition there was still the kneejerk against the Twilight movies and GW wanted to distance their vampires from that.

>>51688449
Vampires maintain a different appearance when in public, which would be important for a bloodline that infiltrates human society like the Lahmians. When in battle they drop this and put on their game face.

>>51688248

Welcome Retard-steros.

>>51688490
so its just magic? Illusion and they are really all ugly corpses?

also why does Mannlet looks so weird

>>51688587
Still less retarded than Warhammer politics.

>>51688262

To blend in with the culture of The Empire, as throughout their combined histories, they've tried to maintain secrecy of their heritage. That, combined with the fact that they would want to distance themselves from Nehekara, the Vampire Counts would have gone from political refugees, to absorbing members, lords and princelings from the Empire, their culture and customs.

>>51688449

See twilight,

And the concept of a "war face", that vampires could on the one hand be beautiful and alluring, but in times of war, affix an expression of their twisted, cursed souls.

And resting bitch face. The best face

>>51688859
Who was gonna even gonna guess that the Vampires came from Nehekhara? I'm not even sure that is a known fact amongst people in the setting.

>>51688859
>"We're gonna dress up like the Chaos Warriors and Dark Elves to fit right in. No one will ever suspect a thing."

So this 9th age is any good?

>>51689447
Started out as more balanced Warhammer (at the cost of a few fluffier/flavorful faction-specific rules/mechanics) but is now becoming more of its own thing with stuff like the new army limit mechanics and its own fluff (which, among other things, includes elements like "seven Chaos Gods based off the seven sins", fem!Sigmar liberating not!Rome from Skaven, etc.).

It has recently gathered quite a bit of skub due to this.

>>51688248
That happened, but for some reason* they didn't just put every "noble" on the island to the sword.

* (Ned being a pussy and the somewhat less stringent social structure that let pretty much all the men on the islands take part in the piracy which would have mandated a pretty complete genocide IIRC)

There are four parallel timelines that I know of in the Warhammer Fantasy universe.

One is the Storm of Chaos timeline, which is the setting of WFRP 2nd edition and most lore books associated with it, including Darkness Rising, which is an in-universe account of the Storm.

Another is the setting of Age of Reckoning and the three books written for it. Archaon never became Everchosen in this timeline and was replaced by Tchar'zanek of the Raven Host.

Finally there's The End Times timeline and of course the Blood Bowl alternate universe. Am I forgetting any?

>>51685610
This is really great. Do you have more or a source?

>>51689420
It worked.

>>51689829
I'm really more annoyed that all the skeletons gets shit with batwings on them. Did the entire old world just have a batshit craze dynasty that was forgotten and VC is just selective with who they raise?

>>51689945
Maybe giant bats are native to the region so they were a natural choice for iconography.

>>51689963
What, the entire Old World?

>>51690027
I assumed the skeletons they raised were native to Sylvania.

>>51690035
Vampire Counts are not exclusive to Sylvania. It's mostly just a Carstein hotspot.

Guys I need a picture of either an orc holding a stuntie head in his hand, or some sort of picture that would showcase a waaagh in its sheer numbers and shit

>>51689559
female Sigmar.

This is some serious level of shitty fanfiction I see. Well, maybe gameplay will be good.

>>51685838
>>51685858
>>51685872
Sorry about the late response, went to bed.

Anyway, after we had the first session, we reached Schwartzhafen on a job after being annoyed by halfling bandits, we made our way back to Wurtbad after being jumped yet again by beastmen, this time with a beastlord armed with a chaos weapon. We barely survived while losing our slayer, and when one of us took the beastlord's chaos weapon to cremate them ( it was perpetually on fire.) we ended up sending his soul to Khorne. We managed to use this boost to our reputation to get the local elector count to sponsor us going to Mordheim( A decision we would regret, and that I opposed wholeheartedly.) There, we cleared out an old keep near the city, and started working on expanding our warband. This about where things went downhill, as we got worn down dealing with incredibly lethal enemies that we barely survived against even with the 400 or so xp at the end of sessions. He had these tables for encounters, and ended up with us against dark elf assassins and daemons from Araby, and eventually I was getting a bit tired of my elf mage, so I decided to try something new. The GM promised a RP heavy session, with less of the lethality. So of course I didn't trust him, and made a kislevite kossar so I could survive by keeping at range and using the bear he gave me to stay safe in melee. The bear lasted one combat, as we pursued some beastmen down a street and met skaven with a ratling gun. This ratling gun mutated my bear into basically chaos spawn while two with warpstone spears impaled me. Now agitated and with the rest of the group on their way out, I figured, fuck it, he's doing it like this, I may as well go full blood for the blood god. Made a norse character, an Ulfwerenar even, which he approved. Encountered the rest of the group in mordheim, tried to convince them to let my new berzerker join(despite the mutations and chaos weapons, they were still anti chaos) TBC

>>51690850
I would be okay with Red Sonja Sigmar.

>>51690850
Can't be worse than Valten.

>>51690855
Guess what comes back from the alleyways? My old mutated bear. We all end up fighting it as best we can, but it's a beast and I'm pretty sure was faster than us. I use Ulfwerenar form to fight it off, and when it gets to about half health we all are made to roll toughness -50 or get infected with year fever and two other lethal diseases. Faced with characters new and old basiclally getting cancer, It devolved into argument and the game fell apart. Maybe we just aren't good with the lethality of the system, maybe it was the Gm's fault.
But hey, at least now I can do a norse campaign.

>>51688599
Probably more like minor transfiguration.

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>mfw i've been pronouncing marienburg wrong all this time

It just hit me last night.

>>51691332
"Mar-ee-en-burg", like it would be pronounced if it was English. I only just realised it should be pronounced "Mar-een-burg", like marine.

>>51691311
So how did you pronanunce it?

>>51691350
I'm gonna keep pronanuncing it the first way. It sounds more germanic.

>>51691402
But if it were German, it would be pronounced Mareenburg.

>>51691434
There are other germanic languages than german.

>>51691434

No, Mar-ee-enburg would be the German pronounciation.

>>51691311
The one I've started questioning myself about is Tilea.
I've been pronouncing it 'Till-ea'. mainly because it has the same sounds as 'Italy' but in the wrong order.
But if Tylos is pronounced 'Tie-loss', then people from Tylos would be 'Tie-leans'. Which would fit.

When I was a kid, I pronounced Skaven as 'Skavven'. As in 'ravenous'.
I still like that pronunciation. It's more... ideophonetic? Not sure if that's the right term.

>>51691448
But german or dutch would be the best fitting languages.

>>51691609
It's only natural to pronanunce things after your own language.

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My Chaos is superior to your Chaos AAARRGH!

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>>51691783

http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/747197329/133256758576005789/


So now that modders are now capable of adding legendary heroes and legendary lords to factions with their unique looks and abilities, who's gonna make good old Leitdorf and Daisy?

>>51691783
>>51691806
How many years does it take to armor that dragon ogre? How many days does it take to put all that stuff on?

>>51691839
maybe he sleeps in it
maybe is chaos armor granted by the gods
maybe he is born with it

>>51691861
>maybe he is born with it
Maybe it's Tzeentchian

>>51688248
This has happened more than once. Last time, the first (well, last) son of the ruler of the Islands was taken hostage to assure his peacibility. It didn't work, partly because daddy didn't give a shit about his son.

Honestly, the smart move would've been to kill every non-thrall on the island.

>>51688449
Some vampires stop even trying to look human, and supposedly dhar corrupts you and makes it more difficult over time. Vain vampires, like Neferata, manage.

>>51689609
The Total Warhammer timeline.

>>51691609
I kinda like Sk-ah-vin,

>>51689609
The Nemesis Crown timeline.

>>51691355
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-MORBuU1Ew

>>51692626
I'm pretty sure that's the same timeline as the Storm of Cucks timeline.

>>51689609
I thought Age of Reckoning was set earlier.

>>51693071

Maybe I'm a noob but can I just ask what makes the Storm of Chaos incompatible with the End Times?

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>>51689720
All of that comes from the first three editions of WHFB, you'll have to dig up the pdf files for those online.

The WFRP book I was referring to, in case you are interested, is a "lost" book which sets the groundwork for Yamato (known as Nippon in WHFB) but was ultimately canceled by GW for unknown reasons. I have a link here but I don't know if it's the most updated/recovered version of it out there: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B63rIuFhh29eZWNkMGIyMzEtYWViYi00M2Q4LWE5MjgtOGIyYTU1Njg2ZmIw/view

>>51693284
Archaon lost humiliatingly and Valten died different. His host broke apart and fell to infighting.

>>51693191
Nope. It's a parallel universe. It's and End Times scenario without Archaon. Instead they have an actually competent guy in charge who gets Dark Elves and Greenskins to join him somehow.

>>51693284
Basically it makes Archaon look like an armless failure. So they retconned it so that it never happened.

>>51693332
They never found Valten's body, though.

>>51693332

So really apart from Valten being different it's not incompatible.

GW has retconned stuff in the past. I think SoC still happened in the ET timeline.

>>51688248
Sparta somehow endured for centuries too.

>>51693370
What happened to Archaon after he lost in Storm of Chaos? I don't see the Chaos Gods being merciful to failed champions.

>>51693414
I think Sparta actually had agriculture, though. Greyjoy seems to think that having farmers is a sign of weakness.

>>51693450
I think he just kinda went back to the Chaos Wastes feeling like a loser and he wasn't talked about much more.

>>51693462
I'd like to think the Chaos Gods tormented him for all eternity in some suitably ironic way.

>>51693451
Greyjoy has agriculture much like Sparta did, actually: run entirely by slaves (well, "thralls," as the Ironborn call them).

>>51693450
He retreated to the Brass Keep, apparently, but nothing had been heard from him since.

>>51693451
AFAIK that sort of stuff was handled by slaves, which is exactly how the dark elves do it

>>51693485
I like to think that the Chaos gods just decided to ignore the entire thing and then Archaon sat down in a bathtub of shame with a Skaven warpstone powered toaster.

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So, for a prospective Estalian force, what could we add besides:

-Pike & Crossbow/Shot Squares
-Caballeros
-Estalian diestros
-Myrmidian mirror shield zealots
-Crazed, fire-dragging bulls
-Returned Lustrian conquistadors

>>51693450

Every mortal is a pawn to them.

They'll keep him around as long as he has a use and he did in the End Times.

>>51693562
Cursed conquistadors with Lizardmen artifacts.

>>51693562

Try and get a hold of Marco Colombo if you can, he would make a good General.

I think some Marines would be a nice addition, Spain has the oldest marine corps in the world and a fearsome navy.

I don't know if you have some figures sorted but Gamezone Miniatures and Avatars of War sell Spanish style Empire guys.

>>51691861
>>51691899

Maybe it's Maybelline.

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>>51684828

Anyone?

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>>51689945
It's probably meant for just Sylvania, since the symbol seems to be associated with the place. Could also be that vampires tend to actually have their skeletons bear such symbols because they both suck blood and are creatures of the night.

I miss the old Grave Guard, myself. A bit more generic looking, sure, but it also meant a little more room for kitbashing. I only really see them brought up when people want undead Bretonnians these days.

>>51694100
Yeah, I still have 20 of those guys and I like their helmets better. I should repaint them.

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Picture related would make a good Vampire Lord. Just not sure how to fit it on a base.

>>51694254
THICC

>>51694286
Except Eldar aren't, dumb memer.

>>51694286
It's just the dress. These are no fat ass Sisters of Battle.

>>51694100

>mfw skeleton tries to blow a horn

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>>51694319

> MFW Orc blows a horn.

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>>51694319
Winds of magic, son!

If you had to, how would you re-introduce half-orcs into fluff?

>>51694381

Half-Orcs are still in the fluff no?

We have Hobgoblins.

>>51694381
I'd just make orcs sexually reproducing. I gave it some thought.

>>51694381

Magic.

And Orc and a Human could not produce viable offspring.

>>51694381
A wizard did it.

>>51691140
the real problem was going to Mordheim, that accursed place is like a murder hole


the northern wastes will surely be safer

>>51694381
they come from a ... magical realm

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>>51690764
It's Shadowrun, but it's as close as I've got.

>>51691609
>I pronounced Skaven as 'Skavven'. As in 'ravenous'.
If I remember correctly the name actually comes from "scavengers"

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>>51694381

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>>51694319

>>51691806
>>51691783
I can't be the only one who doesn't understand a thing when looking at a tww screenshot

>>51694254
modify some edges of the long dress to be held by skeletons/bats and count it as a unit filler

or just have skeletons come up from the ground around her or from under the skirt

okay, so whats the deal with knights of the black grail? are they vampires or grail knights revived or they just get superpowers like grail knights but from dark magic or what?
how does the black grail work?

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>>51694381
Goblins who overindulge in magic mushrooms slowly turn into shaman shrooms. This suggests that Orcoid mushrooms can alter your genetic makeup, and goblins are especially susceptible owing to their partially fungal physiology.

In another thread I suggested that perhaps an isolated and desperate population of humans were forced to eat Orcoid mushrooms. Doing so over several generations slowly altered their genetic makeup until they became Half-Orcs.

>>51693414
Sparta ended up becoming a backwater by the time of Alexander the Great that he wouldn't even accept into his growing empire, and a tourist attraction by Roman times.

The only reason they endured so long among the Greek city states was because no one really wanted to wipe another city out, and Sparta was respected for its military might. But it was too xenophobic to control the Delian League after defeating Athens, and couldn't change with the times.

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>>51694904
As if Bretonnian Knights need horns to blow.

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>>51693562
I still insist on almogavars, possibly of the skirmishing or light infantry variety, and miquelets, musket armed militiamen that function as snipers or sharpshooters.

>>51693451
Nah, they've absolutely got the basics of food production taken care of. Depending on how large you read the islands as (I heard somewhere it's essentially supposed to be a smashed up Ireland), they've actually got enough land to have a more-or-less stable pop.
The issue is that their land is pretty poor, so they seldom have much in the way of a food surplus. They do have tons of easily accessible metals, hence being good weapons-makers. Basically, they're supposed to be a recipe for a fantasy raiding culture.
Also, it's important to remember they were at their height when all the other kingdoms were divided and at war with each other. United Westeros repeatedly punked them. Most of the "WE DO NOT SOW" crap is just that: boasting about an age long past that was probably much more complicated than the Greyjoys like to pretend.

>>51695310
Those are good additions, I agree.

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>>51695172
>that pic
>greenskins spores grow in damp places
>the badlands are mainly deserted

>mfw I realise the badlands are a desert BECAUSE of the greenskins

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>>51695715
>the badlands are a desert BECAUSE of the greenskins

>>51695715
That does make sense - why would the Strygos empire be formed out in unfertile land? And there are at least a couple rivers, it should be fertile enough.

Though it's also about as likely that the Badlands were indirectly affected by the curse that turned Nekhara into desert.

>>51688599
Accordibg to the Ulrika books, your body reflects your lifestyle.

The more you don a warface, the more likely it is to stick. That's why Vlad looks like an angry corpse and Neferata just has resting bitchface. Why Strigoi start looking like Nosferatu Hulks and Necrarch just look Nosferatu.

Mannlet just got a shitty redesign. But then again he spent a LOT of time in Nehekhara, so it may have been unhealthy.

>>51689420
Bloodswains.

>>51689609
Warhammer 3e.

>>51693372
Also Chaos Elves are in SoC.

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>Chaos originally resembled bizarre renaissance art depictions of hell

>>51695172
So I can kill Orc fetuses with a shovel?

>>51696571
Yes.

>>51696557
I desire to know more

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>>51696645
renaissance depictions of hell are known for their surrealism

>>51696688
thats pretty rad, but I mean, did GW originally design Chaos that way?

>>51695310
Estalia always looked more castillian than aragonese to me. The part that would be aragonese belongs to Tilea (Tobaro) and skaven.

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>>51696762
yeah, sort of

>>51696839
There are a bunch of different kingdoms in Estalia, a north-south thing. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one Estalian kingdom was known for their almogavars, especially since in real history they fought in a lot of places and for a lot of people.

Besides, Estalia needs an equivalent to flagellants or milita or such. They don't necessarily strike me as the professional armies kind like Tilea or (kind of) the Empire, but more feudal like Bretonnia, but with just about every soldier having a little experience or at least martial discipline thanks to constant infighting or southern threats, and Myrmidia worship.

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The 1d4 for Dwarfs says they only made Helgar for females, but Citadel used to make female Dwarf adventurers and this set called Dwarf King's Court with his wife.

>>51697428
That might have been way back when they were making D&D minis.

>>51697428
That guy on the right is more feminine than the woman.

>>51692584
Robert should have taken Dragonstone back for Joffery's use, and handed Stannis Paramouncy of the Iron Islands.

>>51697559
Yeah, he has a very feminine beard.

>>51697533
No, they are Warhammer era. 2e I think.
Same generation as the first Slayer.

>>51696997
Huh, that pic has a lot of female warriors.

>>51694381
In Age of Reckoning, when you start as a greenskin you come out of a poo mound. I assume they reproduced by shitting what they eat and letting fungal fruits spawn greenskins, so maybe what they eat and poop has an effect on the type of greenskin.

>>51697932
Makes sense. GW lumped all mutants into Chaos Spawn and Beastmen after they restructered, but early on mutants were random births who were more human than automatically a goatman. They were implied to be their own force.

>>51697932
It would be weird if Chaos discriminated based on gender.

>>51698928
Those mutants persisted through later editions, they're called 'Gaves'.

>>51699035
In Slaanesh case I think you have to be both.

I'm trying to find out what races are playable in Warhammer Fantasy 2nd Edition. Anyone that can give me a quick run-down and where to find them? I found the main four (Humans, Elves, Dwarfs, Halflings) and Skaven.

>>51699495
Tabletop or Pen & Paper?

>>51699525
Pen & Paper.

>>51699495
Humans, elves, dwarfs, halflings, skaven, beastmen and ogres. This includes any offshoots such as Dark Elves, Chaos Dwarfs, Norscans, etc.

>>51699542
Perfect, thanks.

>>51699542
Also vampires.

>>51699658
Technically yes, daemon princes as well, but both are out of the scope of the game and are specifically said to break it if you try. Mutants too, as they're listed as their own race, whether if you start as one or become mutated.

>>51699542
Ogre rules are fan made.

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>>51700066
He just asked for playable, not whether they were approved by the studio, which in a table top RPG doesn't make much sense considering part of your job as a GM is furiously make up shit as you go along.

>>51694996

That's actually a pretty good idea.

>>51696399

Chaos Elves will always be a thing for me.

The thing that they don't fall to Chaos is probably knife ear propaganda.

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>>51700622
It does seem odd how most elves seem to only fall to Slaanesh if that's mentioned at all. Wouldn't Tzeentch be just as seductive, if not Khorne or Nurgle in their own ways?

>>51702178
>>Tzeentch
They have Hoeth and their own deep understanding of magic.
>>Khorne
Khaine is their war god and one they prefer to worship in private and before a battle.
>>Nurgle
Elves live for a very long time and have magic that can cure deadly wounds, debilitating disorders, etc.

Basically Slaanesh is the only one who can offer them anything, that being the unparalleled titillation of their senses. The other three don't have much on elves.

>>51702223
Tzeentch would provide a quick fast-track to sorcerous power if they were willing to risk it - in the span of years rather than centuries. And even then, his focus on scheming and manipulation might be useful in High Elf society, or at least in keeping other races in their place.

Khorne and Nurgle have far weaker arguments, sure, but I could see an elf falling to Khorne in a desperate bid for martial might in a moment of need, or to Nurgle when they need survivability or endurance, or are despairing at the bleakness of their future.

>>51702847
I don't think it's impossible for an elf to fall to any of the four brothers, but they're far less likely to worship Slaanesh's siblings. Elves simply don't need a fast track to anything, they have so much time that they can afford to get wrapped up in staring at a painting for a week. Humans have to have that hustle and bustle, and Skaven are just too short lived to think about more than the moment.

By and large they recognize the dangers of Chaos as only the Dark Elves use Dhar and (sometimes) worship Chaos gods. It's just that, prior to the 8th edition fuck up, the elves were missing that part of their pantheon. They had gods of war, healing and magic and with pleasure sorely lacking in their lives, especially at a time when the world was at its most boring, Slaanesh got a foothold with a race that find it very hard to resist what he can give them.

>>51702847
>Tzeentch would provide a quick fast-track to sorcerous power if they were willing to risk it
that's not much of an issue for an elf. They aren't in much of a rush and can afford the patience of long study.

Humans do not have that comfort.

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>>51703021
Wouldn't the increasingly dangerous world make a few elves go 'maybe we should get ready now instead of later?'

I'm not trying to discount arguments, but it seems odd that elves seem totally irresistible to most of the Chaos gods. Then again, Dwarves never seem to fall to any of them, with Hashut being the main deity of the Chaos Dwarves more by desperation than choice.

>>51703142
They'd realize the boost wouldn't be worth it. Has signing your life to a Chaos god ever worked out?

Dwarfs have a resistance to magic and elves have a deep understanding of it. They fought hard in the first incursion and lost a great deal along the way. It would be incredibly foolish to let a devil inside your house simply because he might help you in the short run.

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Welp, found this

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Anyone got any ideas for a crossbow group weapon for WFRP 2e? Pistols suck, repeaters are bulky...

>>51694908
its just you.

Playing TWW made me really interested in Balthasar Gelt. Are there any books with his PoW or at least where he's an important character?

>>51703142
>>51703602
Elves seem like they fall to Chaos more often than Eldar in 40k, at least. The dark elves have pleasure cults devoted to Slaanesh, and there have been a couple high elves that have fallen to Slaanesh as well.

>>51705334
There is a short story in the 6'th edition Empire army book where he has a magic duel with Thyrus Gormann over the title of Supreme Patriach.

>>51703918
>Week of Hamster: Weekly Hamster and Berserk Combat Hamster production doubles.

>>51696557
so it was more like Moorcock's Chaos, that's no news

>>51696571
>>51696593
wouldn't that just split them into two smaller orcs, like what happens to earthworms?

>>51694319
speaking of which - what could be a cool drum design for a skellington or grave guard unit? aside from human skin one?

or what non-drum and non-horn instruments could they use?

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>>51696688
What system do they use in hell?

So Lahmians are a whole clan of smoking hot vampire chicks, living away from world's problems in an abandoned karak... Why would ANYONE consider joining another clan? Wouldn't you love to spend the eternity in a giant harem of beautiful sexy vampiresses?

>>51688262
I thought that was the custom way to make armor for the nobels of Sylvania. So the Carsteins naturaly adopted that style since most of them were nobles.

As for why blood dragons are portrayed that way I thought that had to do with the blood knights heraldry.

>>51705841
Age of Sigmar.

>>51705939
nah, they use KoW. primitive and simplistic like AoS, but without even pretense of being "heroic fantasy" to justify it

>>51705974
That's cool. I like KoW.

>>51705974
Fine with me. I have always hated Herohammer anyway. I prefer characters to be more of a buff than a big gamechanger.

>>51706048
meh. what's the point in them then?
what I really like in TWW is that a character can take on whole units and win.

>starting to play as Empire
>my army gets ganked by two Secessionist armies
>Karl Franz hold a flank by himself
>gets attacked by two units of swordsmen
>breaks them hard and charges into enemy crossbowmen
>as he beats them, swordsmen rally and come back
>KF wipes three units out without taking much damage
Glorious. And don't even get my started on PROPER combat characters, like Vlad.

>>51706080
I just prefer the characters to not be superheroes like they are in 40k.

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>>51703142
The major difference is that Elves don't make deals in life they'd have to pay for in the Afterlife.

Elves are not as easily tempted as Humans are with promises of long life and quick power, and are not as fast to damn their soul by binding it to a chaos god.

Elves do everything in life they can to keep their soul away from Chaos and try to steer it into the reach of their guardian gods.

Even the Dark Elves get cozy with Khaine and Ereth Khial, hoping to be caught by them before Slaanesh can get their whiff.

Only the ones that intentionally seek the company of Slaanesh damn their souls to an eternity of Chaos by actively seeking it out. it's a small minority even among Dark Elves, but happens to some rare cases of High Elves too.

Humans aren't really that aware of the dangers of the Afterlife, in life, they are usually very careless, some are smart enough to turn to sorcery, locking their soul to the mortal realm, probably better than having Nurgle or Slaanesh get their hands on it.

>>51706252
that was post horribly formated, sorry for that.

why do people worship other gods aside from Slaanesh?

After all, achieving supreme magical power, getting cured of some disease or even just spilling blood all are of interested to a person because it gives them joy, satisfaction. And Slaanesh, being emotions incarnate, can provide that satisfaction in purest of forms. Purest platonic ideal of satisfaction. Who needs other gods?

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>>51706297
most chaos worshippers don't have functional genetalia after a week anyway. Being fucked up the arse by demons isn't all that great. Some people just wanna rip and tear

>>51706312
you don't need functional genitalia. Slaanesh can feed emotions directly into your brain. Into your soul, even, in case your brain mutates into a tentacled turnip.

And he can give you the perfect feeling of ripping and tearing enemies, without actually having to do it. Perfect!

>>51706048

Goblins in AoS fill the bill then. Seriously, goblin bosses and a mob of 60 grots will mow down about everything within range.

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>>51706320
yeah, but that's for fags. Slaanesh is a god for fags who only care about joy, the other gods are born of more primitive, animalistic urges to kill, to find and to survive.

>>51706395
but Slaanesh can give you the satisfaction of killing, finding, surviving, whatever. It's like Matrix, except it's more real, since its hooked up directly to your soul.

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>>51706405
go away slaanesh marketer.

>>51706427
no.

but Slaanesh can give you the feeling of me having gone away

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>Slaanesh so desperate for souls he is shilling on a ginger forum

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>>51705669

>>51706445
tricky to convert tho

>>51705669
>skellington instruments

I can only think of the Cog Rattle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBCF1PH4PwQ

>>51694254
to make it a Vampire Lord you'd have to file off the bewbs. Makes a nice Vampire Lady though

>>51706526
only if I ever make a halfling skeleton unit. or jew-dwarf skeleton unit.

would actually make sense for a dwarfs to use axe-shaped instrument on Purimaz

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>>51706252
For some reasons this pic makes me very mad.

>>51706834
Thanks for pointing at this picture, I almost didn't save it.

>>51706834
>chaos scum being impaled
>chaos scum being fried
>chaos scum being chopped up by chracian woodsmen levy
>dragon getting ready to roast some chaos scum in the back

what exactly is there not to like about the picture?

>>51706952
A picture of a story not told by an elf for elven propaganda.
Seriously thoug, I don't mind Chaos loosing, but this picture really looks like the battle scene is told by an elf hyping their own abilities to eleven.

>>51707007
seeing how it's an elven champion killing a norscan leader/hero, in tow with Lions of Chrace and a fucking Battlemage, I suppose it's an elite unit of elves cutting a bloody path into a mediocre assembly of chaos fodder to achieve some tactical objective.

that doesn't mean it's that one sided on the entire frontline, but such a scenario playing out isn't too outlandish, elves certainly have a better command structure and force organisation that would allow for such precise deployments and pushes. Unlike Chaos, which kinda struggles to keep it's troops in a coherent fighting force more often than not.

>>51707007
>a faction isn't allowed to have pictures that make them look cool
There are pics like this for every faction, anon. Is it because they are elves? Are elves not allowed to be cool for what reason?

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>>51706952
>>51707173
I wish there were more pictures like this for the "good guys" like High Elves, Dwarfs, Empire, Bretonnia, etc.

Chaos, Beastmen, Skaven and more getting crushed and all that.

Would you pat a Lahmian?

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>>51684209
What's weird to me is I took that picture of Lokhir Fellheart from the 8th edition Dark Elves army book, and did it...with my phone. I wanted his 8th edition art but couldn't find it online so took a picture myself. I didn't thing to find the army books online or I'd have just cropped it from there.

Now apparently everyone saved it from all over. I can tell it's the one I took because of the difference in color from where the light was shining on it. Feels good to know I had an impossibly slight impact on something and brought Fellheart's 8th edition picture to the internet.

God damn I'm proud of myself.

>>51699176
Not in models or importance though.

>>51684279
sow is female pig
elves are lithe and never fat, so they are least like pigs from among the all warm-blooded mortal races

Where I can find full list of statted enemies and table of challanges? (or smth like that)

if Dwarfs didn't make Empire, there wouldn't be no Archaon, and no End Times

just sayin'

>>51707807
Yes, it was their intention after all do doom the world.

why do members of human races belonging to different countries are still humans, but if an Elf or a Dwarf belongs to a different country, it's instantly a new race?

>>51708061
Because human is a human, and different region is a different culture group/nationality not a race.

Same for Elves - wood, dark, high
Dwarf - southern, northern, chaotic

>>51708061
They're not.
The only one that could maybe be said to be a new race are the chaos dwarves. And that's only because they're mutated.

>>51708061
They aren't. High Elves, Wood Elves and Dark Elves are all different cultures but are from the same overall species. Same with humans. They aren't entirely new races, and in the case of games like Warhammer the word is used like race=faction basically.

>>51708113
No they are not a new race. They just look different and are evil, despite them using magic - the ancestral gods curse (or blessing) to not use magic still appoints to them - they turn to stone.

>>51708154
but Darks are all pale with black hair, Highs are all pale with golden hair and Woods are all somewhat tan with golden hair

>>51708183
And humans are white, black, yellow still they are not different races, i.e. they are still humans. Are you retarded?

>>51708207
erm, since when do differently colored humans are not different races?

>>51708215
daaaaaaamn

>>51685759
There was a tiny bit in Ogres iirc. Possibly the edition before the prehistoric/rock monsters were added

>>51708207
>>51708215
What the second anon said. Humanity overall is the species, but white, black and yellow are the different races. Can the same be said for the different flavors of elves? How much do they differ from each other, especially high and wood elves? Weren't wood elves just colonists from Ulthuan that didn't come back home when they were called? How different can they be genetically from Ulthuan elves?

>>51708256
didn't the forest and kurnous change them? Asur ain't that bloodthirsty or animalistic

>>51708256
You don't get what I tried to say.

Get the fuck out with the tumblr level of bullshittery, what I meant to say is that whites, yellow and blacks are sub-species, same goes for elves etc.

>>51708155
They are physiologically different. They have tusks for example.

If we're saying they're the same SPECIES, then maybe. They can probably still breed with regular dwarfs.
But then beastmen can still breed with humans, and that doesn't make beastmen human.

>>51705669
They could use one of these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVrYbKBrI7o

>>51705874
Lahmians are literally everywhere.
>>51706252
Nah. Daemon Prince is the only canon personal good end.
>>51707324
Lahmian pat you in return for economic stability.

>>51705874
Do you remember how bitchy and clannish large groups of women got in work or at school?

Imagine that.

For centuries.

LITERAL. CENTURIES.

(Also, they rarely turn men, and Lahmian men are second class citizens. Which may sound kinda hot, but vampires tend to have an instinct to be under no one's power.)

>>51708326
lower standing ones, used as spies and agents, yeah. the hottest and coolest ones are with Neferata in the Silver Pinnacle

>>51708333
it just depends on what kind of man you are. Neferata is foremost Lahmia, and yet she'd be at Vlad's feet in seconds, if he decided to come back.

>>51691140
>roll toughness -50
What the actual fuck?
He might as well declare "rock falls everybody dies"
For Shallya's sake, resisting mutation from raw warpstone is -30 if I remember correctly.
Not to mention that rules for illness do not include any modified test and states that you roll your toughness, unmodified.

>>51708407
This.

>>51708357
I think Nef keeps at least one high rank in the area to supervise. Also one of tge first is in Cathay still.

>>51707807
They wouldn't have even needed Fagaon without the Empire to resist.

>>51708061
They aren't.

Most humans and dwarfs can't even tell the elf factions apart.

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>>51708357
>Neferata is foremost Lahmia, and yet she'd be at Vlad's feet in seconds, if he decided to come back.

t. Vlad

you'd think that with all those times you got railed you'd know a thing or two about pussy by now, if only from being one

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>>51708573
Dammit son, stop wearing your mother's clothes and pretending to be my ex.

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I just found a Chinese movie called Throne Of Elves that looks like Warhamner Fantasy had sex with Wakfu.

>>51708831
Everyone would want to have sex with wakfu.

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>>51708885
/pol/ doesn't. Its allergic to chocolate.

>>51708932
Like half of /pol/ is black.

>>51709017
Exactly. Chocolate on chocolate violence.

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>>51709286

We've talked about how a Mordheim style skirmish game would have been superior to AoS, but how would you go about utilizing rare units, special units, lords and heroes?

>>51709680

I would just use a Dragon Rampant style system or the one they have with the Lord of the Rings SBG.

Ugh, just found out GW axed Silver Helms. What a fucking pain in the arse. Got my Blood Island set arriving on Wednesday.

>>51709727
I'm not familiar with either. How do they work?

>>51709884

To add, this allows you to have small numbers of elite soldiers or 'hordes' of 24 goblins that you couldn't really have in Mordheim.

>>51709884
>>51709922
Yeah, that would have worked quite well. Shame they didn't just do that.

>>51709980

Yep, it's even worse when you think that they have the SBG rules gathering dust on a shelf.

It would have cost them next to nothing to develop.

>>51710048
Their incompetence really is astounding.

>>51710067

Well Age of Shitmar seems to be moving in this direction now but a lot of ball ache could have been avoided.

>>51710100
I don't understand why they didn't have rules like that worked out from day one. I never played it but from what I heard the rules they initially released were absolutely pathetic.

>>51710127

I'm convinced this is Jervis Johnson's magical realm. He was a very fluffy gamer who didn't really care about tournaments and wanted a very loose skeleton for people to use. Also I think GW effectively wanted to axe the rules department to save money.

Now I don't give a fuck about tournaments either but most people want a finished game with points because we don't have weeks to spend fine tuning each others armies in a gentleman's agreement. Thank fuck Priestly made him put points in Black Powder or that would have been another disaster.

Anyone watched Black Death? It seems sooo warhammer fantasy to me, mostly because of affilations with Nurgle cult.

>>51710545

Does Sean Bean die in it?

>>51710545
>>51710545
Yeah. I have to admit, I was a little disappointed at the end. I enjoyed the weird medieval travelogue parts more. i could honestly watch a whole movie of that.

>>51710612
Yeah, at the end it was disappointing. I hoped the monk would have a face off.

>>51710611
He does.

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>>51710706

Noice.

>>51710737
Pulled apart by horses.

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>!notEurope is full of various cultures and races, with a huge amount of variety
>every other continent has more or less only one faction on it - Dark Elves in not!North America, Lizardmen in not!South America and not!Africa, Cathay in not!Asia, Beastmen in not!Antartica, and Elves in not!Atlantis

I get that the Old World is supposed to be the focus of all the action. But why even bother having the Southlands or Cathay if they're never going to get fluffed out? They may as well be blank spots on the map.

>>51710910

GW pretty much never intended to fluff them out. They put them in for the handful of people who wanted to create their own fantasy factions.

Same with Halflings, they don't do much but it doesn't hurt to include them.

Anyway, Asia has three large empires. Cathay, Ind and Nippon.

>>51710997
and what about Khuresh?

>>51711023

Yeah, and all the little islands which are implied to have civilisations on.

This is a sand box for converters.

>>51710910
Tomb Kings share the North Africa portion of the Southlands.

You have to think of it in terms of an outsider looking in. To the casual observer, the Empire is a massive state with a unified army lead by an all powerful emperor. That isn't the case as the states that make up the Empire are kingdoms in their own right and form a loose confederation. It is possible the East is similar to this, with Cathay looking like one huge nation but is possibly a patchwork of feuding kingdoms.

Out of universe, it was about money and how many armies the game could support without one or more turning into Chaos Dwarfs. Having a loyal fanbase but just too small to continually update.

>>51710910

Lustria has Amazonians and Estilean colonies.

>>51711071
Pygmies too.

Old World also had Fimir.

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>>51711098

What could have been.

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>>51711146
>skates

>>51711146
jesusfuckingchristsheiswearingskates

>>51711146
>>51711225
>>51711373
Technically speaking, the Amazons have the most advanced tech in the Fantasy setting through technology left by the Old Ones, which are treated as sacred weapons. So hypothetically they could in fact have holy roller-skates. Still kind of retarded, though.

>>51711225
>>51711373

They're traditional Aztec shoes.

>>51711427
IIRC in Mordheim (Lustria expansion) they have Lasguns (Sunrods)

>>51711443
My google-fu is failing me, I can't find anything about that.

>>51711520

Yeah I was just joking. They're skates.

I don't know if the author missed them or what. The book itself is very good though.

>>51711556
It's likely he did. I don't look at women's feet so I didn't see them until the anon above pointed them out.

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>2 whole weeks since I paid and received the receipt for my order
>still no shipping update from Avatars of War

Do they usually take this long or should I bump them with an email to get any info?
Everything was in stock when I ordered.

There are already a lot of fan-made Warhammer rules and army books online, so are the 9th Age devs just bullshitting when they claim their not!Warhammer lore and naming conventions exist for legal reasons? I get the feeling they just wanted an excuse to create their own generic fantasy setting.

>>51710910
North America has the Druchii, the Dunmer Druchii (read the Malus Darkblade novels, they're assholes), beastmangs, and the Hung.

The Far East has unique beastmangs, oni-ogres, chinks, Indians, and Japs.

Southlands has pygmies, lizfags, Arabyans, and Nehekharans. Also, an Imperial colony.

Lustria has lizfags and amazons, as well as colonies of Tileans, Estalians, and vampires.

Albion has picts.

I imagine it's somewhere in one of the WFRP 2E books but what was the overall effect of the Storm of Chaos on the world? The north of the Empire was devastated, where did all the refugees go? What effect did they have on the places they took refuge in? Is Kislev even still there?

>>51712037
Sigmar's Heirs. It's set almost immediately after the war's end. The North and East got fucked hard and the refugees fled south and west. Kislev is still around but Erengrad is a smoking ruin.

The way I GMd this was an population 'boom', specifically in places like Carroburg, which jumped almost four times its previous population. In the year in which my players went to Carroburg the refugees had settled in for the long haul and were reluctant to go back to northern Middenland or Hochland. Even years after the Elector Counts of the devastated provinces were hard up for help in retaking their lands and resettling their people, as the other Elector Counts were getting too rich off this new displacement for them to want to help, and with the Emperor seemingly gone from the public eye he wasn't there to force the issue.

>>51712037
Here's what it says about the Storm of Chaos:

>Middenheim is now a shattered remnant of its former glory, having suffered much destruction during the invasion known as the Storm of Chaos. Its people cling to existence, eking out their lives in the halfruined city, while cultists, Beastmen, Skaven and even groups of Orcs and Goblins continue to prey on the populace from the broken ruins and dark catacombs.
>All of you grew up listening to stories of the Great War Against Chaos. The tale of Magnus the Pious and his victory over the armies of Chaos is well known. While there have been wars and threats in the 200 years since, there has been nothing on that scale. Until now. This year the Chaos Lord Archaon invaded the Empire with five mighty armies. They swept down from the Chaos Wastes, ranks filled with mutant warriors, nightmarish monsters, and power-mad sorcerers. Flagellants and other prophets of doom declared these the End Times. And as these armies pillaged and burned their way through the northern provinces of the Empire, it was easy to believe.

Kislev is definitely still there. There are quests and campaigns set there.

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>>51712138
>>51712159
What about other nations? Did estalia, TIlea or Bretonnia have to deal with refugees? Did they even get effected by the invasion?
Did the Tomb Kings prepare an army for conquest?

>>51712214
Bretonnia declared an errantry war. Presumably they lost a lot of promising young men in the northern Empire, and it's like some decided to stay and "do their duty," that is, stake out claims in areas with no noble authority.

This bodes particularly ill since Mallobaude is preparing to launch his civil war.

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>>51712214
Estalia and Tilea didn't take part in the Storm, proper, though the Empire and Marienburg had been hiring mercenaries from those kingdoms like never before. I doubt refugees made it that far south, or wanted to settle in Bretonnia if Reikland is next door. Bretonnia's coastline was raided as were its settlements by beastmen, though most of their fighting was done in the Empire by the Errantry War first and then the veteran knights bringing up the rear.

If Estalia and Tilea were affected any it would have been by Settra reclaiming a lot of his old territory, but as I recall he went as far north as Nagashizzar and stopped, unwilling to go into the fortress, and Nagash unwilling to step out.

>>51711932
Depends where it ships from. A lot of places keep stock in China or Kiev where the manufacturer itself is.

China gives a lot of workers a huge chunk of February off and shipping from Ukraine is more complicated thanks to Czar Putin.

>>51712004
I think they want to sell physical books and pimp out companies making proxies.
They need their own IP for that.

In which book there is a table for rolls for different cities where char comes from?

>>51712496
Page 11 of the Character Pack, but it only has the Empire listed.

https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!JVw20QKC

>>51712542
Thanks

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>>51712270
>>51712276
Thanks. Doing a game a few years after Storm of Chaos, wanted some more detail.
Also what was Nagash doing before.. The thing?

>>51712642
Basically regaining his strength as after dying two times to mortals he thought that maybe he should play it slower after his latest resurrection. The Night of the Living dead heralded his return but he laid low, acting through servants and even indirectly through Azhag the Slaughterer who wore Nagash's Crown of Sorcery. He needs that crown back, as well as his hand, to regain his full power.

>>51712642
Plotting his return. Arkhan the Black was looking to cheese-rat some artifacts outta Bretonnia, which was the whole motivation for the civil war, technically.

Interesting plot hooks for Wissenland/Solland after Storm of Chaos?

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Hey /tg/ I am trying to make a mod for total warhammer that will give bretonnia access to empire style troops as a lategame alternative to going full monty python meme.

So far I have a unit of bretonnian pikemen, bretonnian handgunners and an artillery piece.

What else should I add to the mod for the battles?

>>51710910
Those parts of the world exist only so you can have skaven ninjas or that arab merchant of mordheim without people saying "but [country] doesn't exist in warhammer!".

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>>51712973
Vampires in Nuln. Two bloodlines, Lahmians and Necarchs, are battling it out in secret in order to gain access to a library beneath the city that predates the formal foundation of the Empire. All that's truly known about it is that Sigmar ordered it to be created to lock away forbidden knowledge, though rumours among vampires say that an ancient and powerful servant of Nagash was also imprisoned there and that it would be indebted to any who would grant its freedom.

>>51713081
Ooooh shit.

>>51712996
Oldhammer had ninjas actually. Including one named Teriyaki.

Where in the Warhammer world would you set a Morrowind style RPG?

>>51713377
Tilea or Yamato

So apparently I will be playing Scribe now. Any ideas? Portraits?

>>51713319
Then keep my post the same but remove skaven from the sentence.

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>>51713468

>>51710545
>>51710737

this was a much more warhammer fantasy film
(madness, court intrigue, Slanesh or Tzench cults?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBfFYvdfL90

>>51713535
It's so fitting! Thanks

>>51713377
Nordland. Hundreds of hours of exploration in an Empire backwater province with an inferiority complex.

>>51713377
Grey Mountains. Go between Altdorf, Bretonnia, Dwarf, and Elf lands.

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>>51712974

I'm looking at some serious fucking Heresy.

>>51714312
>DAE heresy xD

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So this is my first time playing any tabletop ever and I need a bit advice for my character.


I managed to roll a Human campfollower who plans on going into spy. I also managed to roll suave and luckas character traits. The only flaw is that my character has a huge nose.

How are some ways I'd go about disguising myself or hiding my huge nose?

This is 2nd edition by the way

>>51714449
There are disguise kits for you to buy which will allow you to alter your appearance a bit. Make up, blackface ink, puddy. There are also large hoods that can be used to hide your face entirely.

But a large nose would be hard to hide if you're looking to have your face still shown, so you might want to look into some experimental surgery.

Is the Storm of Chaos basically just the End Times but how we wanted it? ie. Everyone survives but is battered?

>>51714544
Sorta. It had player involvement so even if the results were mixed we at least had a hand in them. We didn't have to stand back and watch as everyone went into full retard mode.

>>51714601

Well I'm just going to consider Storm of Chaos canon and fuck the End Times.

Are there any differences in the campaign book from 6th to 7th edition or is it just a reprint?

>>51712321
If its in China I would understand due to their new year celebration. But shipping time from Ukraine to EU shouldn't really be a problem, the last half decade has been dedicated to easing up trade between the two imo.

Guess I'll wait for their answer.

>>51714673
That's generally how most people here consider the matter.

And which campaign book do you mean? The effects of the Storm of Chaos between 6th and 7th editions, or something else?

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>>51714722

Well I was reading the entry on the wiki and as sources they've put down Storm of Chaos 6th and 7th edition. But I can only find picture related. I know sometimes they would reprint 6th edition books with those red banners around them, so maybe it's the same book.

>>51714760
The SoC book was only 6th edition, as by 7th edition the war was over. Likely the sources for 7th are mentions of what happened after as a result of the Storm. Such as the return of Volkmar the Grim as Grand Theoginist. His predecessor, and successor, Esmer was 'persuaded' to leave Altdorf so that Volkmar could take his place as the head of the cult once again.

>>51714824
What's a good source for Storm of Chaos lore? Seems like most things these days more reference the build up to ET.

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>>51715142
Most of it was in the White Dwarf magazines leading up to the event. The army books had their plot points but in WD you had stories like Luthor Huss leading an army of fantatical Sigmarites along with Valten to Altdorf to demand that Karl Franz abdicate and allow Valten to assume the throne, the belief being that he was the reincarnation of Sigmar.

I don't know if the White Dwarf link is in the OP links anymore, hopefully someone will post them.

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>>51713377
Naggaroth, oh haver of dubba dubs.

>>51713934
That actually sounds pretty good. You also get plenty of Night Goblins that way as well.

How come Elves can take units of 30 spearmen but everyone recommends Dark Elves to have 50 in a unit?

What options are there for Chaos dwarf models with proper hats? Hobgoblins and Chaos dwarf monsters included.

>>51716636

Get your infantry from Russian Alternative and your monsters from Forgeworld.

>>51716595
Likely to make use of Eternal Hatred and reroll any misses that come up in afuckload of dice. They also miss out on Speed of Asuryan, which High Elves have, so they need more soldiers to soak up casualties if they get charged by foes with equal or greater Initiative. SoA being Always Strikes First for all High Elves regardless of their weapons used.

>>51716740

I see. That makes sense now.

I just wanted to get out of painting 50 of them.

>>51716740
Also HE are better off throwing more points in Silver Helms with core, elite infantry in Special while DE want large base models in Special.

>>51716786

Well this came up just as I was looking at some tactics for High Elves and everyone was saying a block of 30 does quite nicely. I just wondered why DE couldn't do the same.

Unfortunately, GW has gutted Elven core so I can only reliably get Sea Guard as spears for my core.

>>51715554
Beastmen too, and Chaos is everywhere.

Vampires in both human areas.

Skaven.

Could have a DLC too to add High Elves and Dark Elves on an island like Dragonborn/Shivering Isles.

>>51716826
Sea Guard are not bad.

Also, HE core tend to be cheapish on eBay. Price of buying new for stuff that's primed but has sprue lines, or needs a Simple Green soak. Sometimes luck out and get something cheap.

>>51716826
Go with a paint scheme with no white, or a contrast between the white and the others so you can use a light grey. Trust me, it makes it SOOOOOOOO much easier to paint. White ages you to work with, I swear.

>>51716848

I was thinking 30 Spears, 2X5 Reavers and make the rest up with some archers for my mage.

That way I'll only have to get a hold of a box of archers.

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>>51716881

I was thinking of going dark turquoise. Probably won't look anyway near as good as this guy. I'll have to do some experiments.

Since I'll have a lot of Sea Guard I may try and get a hold of this guy as my BSB and make it marine themed.