Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>51678965
>passed the point where what you were doing stopped being a good idea, but you kept going regardless?
You'd think that someone would get frustrated with all these monstrous but intelligent races refusing surrender or peaceful negotiations. But no, just kept smiling and trying, smiling and trying, smiling and making extensive use of charms and geas, love potions, mark of justice, and suggestion trying and talking to try and get everybody to just get along peacefully.

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>>51678965
Yes.

And we'll leave it at that.

>>51679032
Is that a loli hitler shooting herself then burning down the house?

>>51678804
Sounds like butthurt, not surprising since PF built its entire foundation on butthurt.

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>>51679050
It's a manga. The school she swore to defend is burning down in the battle, and she killed her superior and then herself rather than be captured by Not!Russia and tortured/raped for decades.

>>51678965
>Delving too deeply and too greedily edition. When's the last time you or your character passed the point where what you were doing stopped being a good idea, but you kept going regardless?
I hit it at the point I had finally convinced the priest to not only accompany us to the casino, but he ordered a white wine spritzer. At that point I realized nothing would be the same again.

>>51678965
Discussing previous builds with my group and discovering that a character could lift the combined biomass of every living human over their head without breaking a sweat.

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>>51679117
>white wine spritzer

>>51678978
nah, I exagerated a bit when I said "all" pfg games.

>>51678965
One of my players in Dragon's Demand took the Secrets of the Dreaming Dark book. She intends fully to go full-on Old One cultist at some point. Any recommended spells or rituals to fill this tome of forbidden knowledge with?

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Howdy folks, newiiiish to Pathfinder GM here, with a "is this a poor descision, should I avoid giving my players too much oppnesss" question?

I told my players to BYODeity, and one asked for a Tower Shield as their Deity's favored weapon.

Should I allow this?

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>>51679032
Ah, for a second I thought you were posting this and got excited.
Then when I saw you weren't I was disappointed

>>51679191
Tower Shields aren't a weapon, but I'd allow it.

>>51679191
No, but for the opposite reason: Tower shields are absolutely awful and there are almost zero 1pp ways of making them viable.

>>51679208
>>51679191
Tower Shields are a bit garbage yeah. One of the few 1pp ways to make them alright is the Mobile Bulwark style.

>>51679191
Damn that image is fucking cringey

>>51679191
No, because you cannot attack with a Towershield, so having one would be absolutely pointless.

>>51679208
Mobile Bulwark at least makes then sliightly passable

>>51679225
Is it really?

>>51679225
I like the sentiment about it but the it's pretty overwinded. Someone needs to do a rewrite of this for brevity.

>>51679248

"Surrounded? No. I'm just in a target rich enviornment, desu. Nothing personell, kid."

What are the most shit/underpowered things in SoP that need fixing? I hear Armorist is terrible.

>>51679248
>"You have me surrounded"
>"With solo exp!"

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How do I become THE BEST peasant?

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>>51679282
Incanter

>>51679301
Wizard peasant

>>51679192
>updates never

>>51679282
Armorist is a unfixed soulknife,thus kinda sucks.

Destruction requires specific builds to do damage well.

Most spheres are underwhelming on their own without support from their respective handbooks.

Incanter is a mess, that can end up too frontloaded

Other than that, its mostly an issue of knowing what your building for and how to use your spheres.

>>51679236
Remind me, can't you cast through your Deity's weapon even if your holy symbol is destroyed? Sorry, PFSRD is not letting me in right now.

Also we have a bunch of new players, so no one is going to be optimizing that hard this time.

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>>51678965

Considering the topic. Lets go too fucking far.

What was the coolest, funnest, awesome-st thing you've done with a fetish in you games?

What happened to d20pfsrd?

>>51679335
iirc, you need a specific feat or enchantment or something to do that.

>>51679296

My favorite response to "we have you surrounded" I've ever seen is "all I am surrounded by is FEAR, and DEAD MEN."

So I generally separate combat into the following categories of actions:
>damage
>battlefield control
>debuffing
>support (buffing, healing, removing status effects)

Conceptually I have been thinking through design, and the idea that I finalized on is this. Every character should be able to contribute by doing 1 of these well and 1 of these not as well. Every class should be capable of doing any 3 well with the right build and all of them to some degree.

Out of combat I have thought through it in a similar manner with:
>espionage
>knowledge
>social
>survival

Again every character should do 1 well and be able to contribute to another.

In this way parties of 4 should be able to do all to some degree. The problem I see if when a character can do more than 1 well, as an example most full casters can do 3 well at the same time, for even all 4 well.

Where I think I differ from most folks in the character argument is that not every character should be able to contribute to every situation, but everyone should have a situation where they are the best at it and be able to at least contribute to some others. Anyone disagree strongly?

>>51679365
That comic really is a lot better than it ought to be. At least outside the art.

>>51679055
It's not "butthurt" when I can point to mechanical reasons that I don't like the game.

>>51679374
>Anyone disagree strongly?
No, you just described the principle underpinning of the Tier system, just more indepth

>>51679346
I almost gave in and started typing out a huge, long winded post about stating up and getting art for a demonic spire of corruption and fetishs tailored to me and up on f-list.

But then I remembered this is /pfg/ and not /erp/ so I deleted it all. Cute lewds and implied is fine for this, but let's not go full retard please?

On topic for it, a synthesist summoner with absurd charisma because I just stopped caring. All the tentacles ever, hitting on all the things.

>>51679301
Pack Mule Fighter, or Phantom Thief UnRogue.

>>51679301

You'll want Wisdom and max ranks in Profession (Farmer,) but from there it gets kind of hairy. Ideally you'll want something that portrays all aspects of Peasant life reasonably well, which includes being a huntsman - represented by stealth, tracking, an eagle eye and stealth shots for that "one shot, one kill" mentality.

What I am saying is the absolute best Peasant you can be is a ranged, Wisdom-focused Slayer with max ranks in Profession, Craft (Cooking), Survival, Perception, Handle Animal (take a trait that keys it off Wisdom, Brevoy Bandit does that I think) and Knowledge (Nature), done by taking Know The Land (a trait.)

>>51679374
>not every character should be able to contribute to every situation
What do you suggest said character does in the cases they're not useful?

Keeping in mind that behind each PC is an individual player who has set aside time and effort to be present for the entire game session.

>>51679346

I impregnated a Hamadryad and thus triggered half the conflict in the campaign.

>>51679032

This manga had all kinds of cute anime girls dying, and a single yuri sex scene.

Why?

>>51679424
Enjoy the company they have and the story that is being told.

>>51679421
>Slayer
>Not Favoured Enemy: Beast Ranger with a Cow animal companion

>>51679434
>>51679424
In much the same way as you as a player should be interested in the over all campaign just as much as you are interested in your character. Even then if you are unable to take action in a situation does not me you can not speak and give opinion. As well just enjoying the company of folks and the story of the campaign you're engaging in.

If everyone can contribute to every situation then you still have your problem, it just comes down to who ever acts first for any task that does not require a group. Picking a lock for instance falls under Espionage. If everyone can pick locks it does not mean that everyone is holding one tool of the lock picking set to get the door open.

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>>51679346
Not pathfinder, but look at pic related and just think of the implications.

>>51679434
>hey pal you came hyped up for this session but you can't contribute to this scene and the players are finding it more difficult than I expected so I just need you to sit there for two hours and watch
>it's fair because I'd expect them to do the same for you

>>51679436

The Cow is not an animal companion! Animal companions do not make it a habit to try and kick their master!

>>51679436
Then you take Iron Will and Familiar Bond for a Pig.

Cow animal companion, pig (or chicken) familiar.

However you're running out of slots. A Cow, Chicken, and Pig would be best, but how does one get both a chicken and pig as class features?

>>51679414

link to a pastebin. i'm curious.

>>51679467
That is a failure of GMing. If everyone's areas of expertise don't come up at a reasonable pace then it isn't really a failure of the abilities but a failure of the GM to be able to tell an engaging story.

>>51679483

>Pig, cow and chicken
>Not an old bird dog

>>51679483
Packmaster Hunter. You carry your entire farm around with you.

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>>51679346
It was none of those things, but I tried building and playing a full-on CN enchantment sorcerer for a "one-dungeon run" side game. He was intended to be an asshole with no sense of right or wrong beyond "does this benefit me, or the people I immediately care about?", to the point of shattering the minds of cultists just because it amused him to do so. The GM and other player thought it was kinky. I'm still at a loss for words.

Looking back, I could probably have easily improved on the build I had. Were it a gestalt, the character would have been so self-centered that Self-Pact Avowed is a no-brainer.

>>51679496

This, holy shit.

I played as the only non-magical character in a party of oracles, bards and magi, yet I felt damn near indispensable with how I'd be able to use Track to hunt down our quarry, talk among the local villagers (I was a provincial myself) and act as the party rock and voice of reason because I didn't go into a problem expecting magic to fix it.

>>51679483
>pig
>gives diplomacy
>I'm glad we could come to an arrangement, however would it be possible to sweeten the deal?
>nudge pig forward

>>51679514

I remember that character!

>>51679434
>>51679458
Or they could leave for another game that assumes people didn't sign up to watch a spectator sport.

>>51679458
Picking one lock, sure, that takes one roll and the party carries on.
I'm thinking more like an entire dungeon floor of traps where the rogue is the only one who can do anything while the rest of the party follows behind them, or games like shadowrun where if you couldn't access the magic plane you just stood around and twiddled your thumbs for the whole scene.

>>51679496
>>51679519
>If my idea of good game design goes wrong, it's the GM's fault for not running it the way it needs to be run to work, it doesn't mean my idea is bad!

>>51679483

This is getting a little silly, are we trying to go for comedically rural farmer, or something a bit more realistic?

Of these feats, what should I get for a witch?
Eschew Materials
False Focus
Spell Penetration
Craft Wondrous Item (going with Craft Clothing skill)

I first thought about Eschew, but then saw False Focus and, while it is nicer, Eschew is constant and you can't lose it like you can lose the focus item. The others are more of a toss up.
It's possible to get the Knowledge Religion skill after leveling and go buy a holy symbol for the focus, right?

>>51679533

A DM unable to accommodate a reasonably built character in either fluff or mechanics is a shitty DM.

>>51679533
>>If my idea of good game design goes wrong, it's the GM's fault for not running it the way it needs to be run to work, it doesn't mean my idea is bad!
In this care it really is.

A GM not being able to have your character's specialty comes up either means you made a character with the wrong expectations because expectations weren't communicated, the GM's fault, you made them despite expectations, your fault, or your GM has an inability to pace the game, the GM's fault. Homogeneous game design where everyone contributes to every skill check is absolutely buttfuck retarded. If you think that is the answer I shudder to think I share a hobby with you.

>>51679547
False Focus, spend 100 gold on a holy symbol tattoo

>>51679547
Spell penetration.

>>51679547
Craft Wondrous Item, but max your Spellcraft instead.

>>51679490
Only because I hate being on the receiving end of getting hints and teased without anything at the end.
http://pastebin.com/DcwkV0mv

>>51679533
>I'm thinking more like an entire dungeon floor of traps where the rogue is the only one who can do anything while the rest of the party follows behind them, or games like shadowrun where if you couldn't access the magic plane you just stood around and twiddled your thumbs for the whole scene.
Yes, that is a failure of GMing if they create an entire dungeon where only one player can contribute. Having everyone able to handle traps just means that you switch out who rolls, it's still a boring dungeon.

>>51679568
Wait, a tattoo can be used for a holy symbol to focus? Holy fuck that's awesome and I was already planning on ripping out any enemy's tattoos I come across with the witch spell.

>>51679556
A reasonably built character should be able to have something to contribute to every scene - not necessarily something that will solve it, but enough to not stand around like an idiot.

My main point is that saying that the above shouldn't be the case, and some characters shouldn't be able to contribute to certain scenes, applies extra design restrictions and requirements on the GM for a relative loss in overall party enjoyment - so what the hell is the point?

>>51679562
I don't know why you're fucking stupid enough to think that "able to contribute to skill checks that are not their specialty" is exactly the same thing as "contributes exactly as much as a specialist at all times".

>>51678277
>The Raiders in the /qst/ archive of Suptg. the world-building is mostly in the first four threads. It is not compiled.

>More Pillory when the other three stories are done.

>>51679579
Or maybe everyone can handle traps in different ways, and each trap involves an assessment of which party member or combination of party members is best suited to it.

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>>51679586
Yes

What do the immortal or long-lived races do during before they are considered adults (over 100 years old)?

>>51679594

Ooh, on that i wholeheartedly agree; a DM should be able to craft scenes where one character or another gets the chance to shine, but a character should not be able to do every scene.

It's like with the character I mentioned earlier; my Slayer was a master at hunting stuff down or starting a fire (everyone else were city boys) or talking to a local farmer, but when it came to matters of magic or nobility or music I would step aside and provide commentary as needed.

Pathfinder is not and should never be a challenge to "win it," it's about being a good team player, and as long as you have something you're better at than anyone else than you can be cherished when that thing comes up.

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>>51679531
I'm sure, since I tend to mention it when people dig for stuff like it. I don't know what it says about me that I still want to revisit the character, if only to have another chance to prove how much of a nigh-unredeemable asshole he was, or use certain spells more than once.

Of course, looking at Avowed has made it really hard to imagine him as anything but a gestalt character now, so I might have to start over.

>>51679609
That's still the same kind of game design. Just different boundaries for where you draw the situation.

>>51679599
See, your argument doesn't make much sense though. Unless the task requires multiple people you are going to use who is best at it.

Please explain a way you can design a game so that multiple people can contribute in a meaningful manner to singular tasks, such as a skill check when one person is the specialist and others are not.

In pathfinder this would be Aid another. However as I have said having areas you can contribute is important, like aid another.

Being able to contribute in every area is stupid, as it muddles the room for the differences between characters.

>>51679662
School, arts, and play.

>>51679662

My headcanon is that they spend a couple decades having babies with other members of their species.

An Elf is only allowed to leave the compound and explore the outside world if they "replace" themselves with a child or something sufficiently useful for other people having kids.

It also means your Elf waifu is a mother, but if that's an issue than you need to grow up.

>>51679346
I made a Tantrist Mage, and used Silent Stilled Componentless Phantasmal Killer on the GM's bag guy of the arc while fucking him.

The GM made me roll five concentration checks, and I made all five (with two rerolls using hero points) and the bad guy failed both his saves.

GM was pissed (and this is probably why three of my characters in different games he's run all suffered unusually specific deaths recently).

>>51679630
That's just awesome. I know what I'm getting next.

>>51679673
It doesn't make sense to you because you're fucking stupid and can't see where what you're talking about leads. Play Shadowrun and come back.

>>51679544
Farmers are hardcore.

And you never know when they've been veterans.

>>51679630

>Holy symbol for Arshea tramp stamp is now canon

>>51679325
Incanter is too frontloaded, but it's not actually bad if you don't just dip it.

Only thing it could do with is reduction of said frontloading, other than that it's pretty dang alright.

It's nice for 'I just want casting' things when you don't wanna worry about too many class features (And don't want to have to try and fit them all on your sheet if you're gestalt.)

>>51679673
Abstract the tasks to more than just skill rolls.

>Challenge: Very deadly bats inhabit a cavern and the party must retrieve a fragile item from the other side. The party has no stealth specialist.
>The mage casts defenses and buffs over the tank, and the tank runs in to attract the attention of all the bats. They can survive for a few minutes with the help of the buffs, but the bats are too violent to let the tank carry the item
>The ranger with the best speed then runs in, picks the lock, and runs out

Everyone has contributed significantly in different ways.

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I don't know what to make for the SoM play test

When was the last time you had a "oh I've fucked up now" moment when misjudging how powerful someone is? The sort of moments where the enemy suddenly seems A LOT more threatening? Doesn't even need to be combat, misjudging an enemy's position or intelligence is nearly as bad.

>>51679731
And they can hand out a 24 hour one with the healing brand to boot!

>>51679762
I don't see how that is any different than what I am advocating. That's just good pacing that plays to people's specialties. A scene should not be monolithic so only a single skill or range of skills matter. That's also awful GMing.

>>51679721
And your way doesn't lead anywhere because games with mono-competency don't exist for the most part.

>>51679876
We were attacking a dinosaur cult one time.

There turned out to be a lot more of them than we originally surmised. Like... 30 of them that we alerted all at once.

We were gonna try and bottleneck them in a tunnel, but then they started turning into dinosaurs and the head priestess cast Heal.

Considering we were level 6, we ran like heck.

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>>51679365
Reminds me of good ol' Tom

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>>51679662
With elves reach the age of 25, they are the same height and weight as a seven or eight years old child. For the next 60 to 70 years in a state of autismal self involvement as their brains struggle to adjust from an instinct driven infant only just able to walk and perceive their environ, to a sapient and sentient being.

During this time of adjustment their senses are in disarray and they are more spiritually and psychically aware than they are when they become functional youths/near adults (they have Detect Alignment, Detect Magic, Detect Psychic Significance, and Detect Poison constantly, and cannot communicate as if under the effects of an Aphasia Spell). Teachers can set them down and teach them, but they must be taught through repetitious rote, rather than actually understanding what is being taught to them. They live in small creches, kept safe from harm and outside interference. They can form bonds, and these bonds grow and decay over the course of decades as they are trained and taught whatever the current elven mentors and teachers are interested in teaching. This gives them a breadth of experience that human children do not receive, and when they start showing interest in specific types of teaching they are given more complete training in those areas. Magic and combat are commonly taught during the last twenty years of this time of their life.

When they reach 80-90 years of age, they start becoming more sapient and capable of controlling their senses more effectively. This is also when they start to be able to communicate effectively, and they slowly become more and more interested in specific talents, training, and often class abilities that lead to adventuring. Elves are exceedingly protective of their children, and their creches are fiercely protected and guarded. Often there is a well trained warrior and a well trained wizard in attendance to a creche whose duty is to kill the children if necessary to prevent their enslavement.

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>>51679225
I vastly prefer the old vader version. It's less... tryhard.

>>51679296
Had a game where I was the party bruiser and this happened once. We already had a plan in place. I called the battle plan, got hit with a resist element for fire, then broke the necklace of fireballs I was wearing for just such an occasion.

It always pays to plan ahead.

>>51680009
>SARENRAEHU AKBAR!

>>51680008
Agreed.
Especially because you know Vader. He's not boasting, he's not trying to be intimidating.
He is simply stating a FACT in response to a statement.

>>51680008
>>51680035

>Level 20 adventurer talking to a squad of level 1 bandits trying to rob him

>>51679893
The difference is that the GM did not plan whatsoever for this to be the solution, they only had to come up with the open-ended challenge 'here's a cave, and bats, solve it', and the party managed to achieve it because they're all versatile enough to have something to contribute to every challenge.

This is entirely different from what you (or the anon you were agreeing with) was implying, which was that the GM needs to specifically design different challenges that certain party members can shine at, and spread them out evenly.

>>51679865
I'm thinking of making some kind of gun based striker myself, but it might work better as an armiger with the ability to use its unarmed strikes as a weapon.

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>mfw playing Nioh and fighting the Onryoki
>mfw remember Onryou is a character in RotJR
>mfw make the connection

>>51679865
Start with a concept you think you would enjoy, then expand on it.

If all else fails, trope it up and run with that.

Is there a way, like a prestige class or something, to just permanently have Silent spells or even Still spells? I understand this is easier in psionics, but I want to know my options.

>>51680168
Helotry of Xiombarg in 1d4chan.

>>51680168
A deaf oracle has constantly silenced spells to start. On the other hand constantly still I am less sure of.

>>51680130
As someone that likes to dive into old mythos for fun, I immediately saw the name similarities.

really surprised they had a Celtic pull at the start, I've been marking out at everything I've remembered thanks to this game.

>>51680236

Saoirse is adorable! Cutest Guardian Spirit!

>play deaf/clouded vision oracle
This is truly suffering, but somehow I am the only member of the original party that hasn't died gruesomely. We're a party of 4 and have gone through 8 party members, everyone but me has dies now at least twice.

I'm starting to expect all my paranoia and planning has been worth it, or the GM has a soft spot for my paranoid schizophrenic oracle.

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>tfw no beautiful busty mute bard

>>51680236
They speak in Gaelic for a bit at the end of the game too. I don't know enough to know if it's the exact right type of Gaelic, but it's still neat. People might say it's the localization budget (and are saying that) but I found the use of which language where in Nioh neat.

It's been such a fun surprise. I had thought the Onimusha/Tenchu type of game was dead, and it marries itself to all these fun Souls type innovations too.

>>51680297

Personally, I'm a fan of Hattori Hanzō's godawful English, it really sounds like a Japanese person trying to speak in a foreign tongue!

Given the chance, would it be possible to go talk with a Dungeon Dragon and have it shapeshift to travel with you?
I don't know why but Dungeon Dragons seem like really cool dudes to me.

>>51680256

Saoirse really is a sweetie, too bad she's a godawful Guardian Spirit.

I mean, from a mechanical standpoint, in the fluff she's the reason William is able to come back from death.

>>51679865
I wanna make a Dante style Armiger, just flying around with athletics sphere and such.

>>51680168
There were epic feats in 3.5 but your mileage may very for access.
Other then that sacred geometry, but you will still need access to spell levels high enough to metamagic them.

>>51680256
And you gotta save her! God old Japan, introduced a spirit waifu whom William might actually be romantically involved with , have her kidnapped within the first 10-30 minutes, and the game becomes "Go Save Her in this Weird Foreign Land"

It's Great.

>>51679087
source?

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>>51680196
>Helotry of Xiombarg
OK so 1) Has anyone ever done like, the definitive picture of Xiombarg? Because if so I've not seen it and want to. Like how you could look at GW art and pull a definitive Chaos Warrior pic.

And 2) When I play D&D I tend to play mash-up, by which I mean I take what I want from everything everyone wrote for D&D (and not for D&D) with my own stuff and jigsaw it. So Cheliax is in a lot of my games, but Thuvia is not (and sometimes Thuvia is just a monastery and sometimes it's a city built over the crashed spaceship of a Martian princess, because ~Thuvia~).

I find this is particularly great for religion because I can just slot in e.g. Xiombarg or that one Mormon insect goddess or innawoods /k/ elf god or giant evil albino mole god. There's a lot of uninspiring stuff that's been written for D&D settings and for Golarion, but there isn't a single one that has *nothing* inspiring in it.

So... does anyone else do this kinda thing?

>>51680349
Are you kidding? She literally hacked the system

>William can't die as long as she's exists
>She exists as long as William believes in her

She fucking 20 GOTO 10 gamed the whole Guardian Spirit deal. It's blatant system abuse, she's probably the real BBEG.

>>51680396
Xiombarg's description from the Michael Moorcock stories:

"The brother of Arioch commonly appears as a slim young woman with red hair, usually wielding a massive sword one-handed. She is commonly referred to as the Queen of Swords and is considered insane even by the standards of the Gods of Chaos."

>>51680473
Keyword is picture, senpai. I should perhaps have specified first definition but I thought the image made the point.

Playing a sorcerer is just so much more fun than playing a wizard. I can do all of the theory-craft and planning at home, and when it is time to game i just need to execute. No more spending days preparing spells while everyone is waiting on me.

So in the The Black Company, from the novel series by the same name, there are three sorcerers of the company. One-eye, Goblin, and Silent. For those who are familiar with the series what level and class do you think you would pin to them?

Goblin and one-eye are mainly illusionists and enchanters by trade. Silent more seems to be something else but I am unsure what.

What about Ten Who The Taken? The Lady? The Dominator?

>>51680379

>That spoiler

I never got the impression he was romantically involved with Saoirse, if anything he's more her mother than his actual mother.

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>>51680496

>>51680496
Isn't it possible for casters to prep spells while riding in a cart or something?

>>51680496
Yeah. I've had my fun fucking around on Wizard but these days if I want to play arcane I just go Sorc. Although I haven't tried Arcanist.

>>51680536
It's actual game time, anon.

Not in-world time. Shit like cart time gets skipped over unless people are RPing it.

so folks would allowing a Medium to take a single feat in order to change their charisma focus to Intelligence/Wisdom be fair?

Also, i feel we need another occult class. Preferably another Wisdom-based one. An actual, full-BaB psychic face-smasher. I mean the Occultist and Medium sort of fulfill that but I just

like the occult classes. pls.

>>51680496
As a wizard I have my "list of lists" that I prepare from home.

I personally before hand create 'standard lists'. Some of which are the following:
>full combat (control)
>full combat (control/blasting)
>full combat (blasting)
>half combat (control)
>half combat (control/blasting)
>half combat (blasting)
>intrigue
>social
>utility

They all have flex slots in them for situations that develop during the day. So generally I just pick a list at the beginning of each day.

>>51680536
Yes, in particular wizards can spend a feat to gain the ability to prepare a single spell as a full round action.
>>51680496 doesn't know that prepared casters should always just prepare their necessary spells and leave as many slots open as possible to prepare more spells further down the day.

>>51680551
>Yes, in particular wizards can spend a feat to gain the ability to prepare a single spell as a full round action.
Not a full round action. It is 1 minute at the fastest.

>>51680546
Yeah, but I'm meaning that the party won't have to wait if you're on the cart and use that time to prep spells.

>>51680292

you could play a beautiful busy mute bard in my game anon

>>51680572
It's not the party waiting that he's talking about anon. The party in-world can sit around and that can be timeskipped.

He's talking about not liking sitting around thinking about what spells to prepare while the PLAYERS are waiting.

>>51679191
That 'But' should be an 'And'

And should be only one of those quotes, not both.

>>51680564
Sorry, confused Quick Study (Arcanists, Exploiter Wizards) with Fast Study (Wizard Discovery).
My point largely remains, though. Wizards should try and keep slots open for them to prepare later during the day.

>>51680604
I've never had that problem playing a wizard.

It's always been one of two things, either:
1) I have no reason to change my generalist spell selection from yesterday, and just re-prepare all the same things
2) I need to change some things, but not my entire spell list: I can make the necessary changes as the DM or party describes how they wake up, how they start traveling, what the new scenery is like, etc.

It never holds up the group.

>>51680551
>>51680564
Magus can use Spell Recall to instantly prepare a spell in an empty (not used) slot.

>>51680646
That's good practice for any prepared caster.

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>>51680486
Not much at all about here - she only appears in a couple of Michael Moorcock's stories and in one comic book, and on /tg/.

Is there any real point to the Evolved Familiar feat? Only one evolution point doesn't really do anything for you unless you're fine with using your familiar in combat, and even then it feels pretty limited.

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>>51680547
I don't know enough to say if the feat would be mechanically sound, but as for the face-smashing, take a look at the panoply for Trappings of the Warrior.

When was the last time you had a character that actually felt like a hero? It seems like too often victory is just handed out like candy. When was the last time you felt like a proper hero, snatching victory from the jaws of defeat? Not just from dice rolls, but from how you played your character.

>>51680724
>Skilled Evolution for UMD

So how exactly do I become the OP blast-buff Alchemist?

>>51680757
You know that familiars have access to all their master's skills at the ranks their masters have it, right?

>>51680775
Greater invisibility and bombs

>>51680788

I kind of get that, but starting out I'm likely to have the DM send a horde of bears after me and I won't survive it.

Compared to easy cheese 5e / 4e, Pathfinder is REALLY HARD starting out.

What are some notable third level Wizard spells aside from Fly and Haste?

>>51680356
>Armiger
Guns or crossbows?

>>51680747
My character's not big on heroics, but last major adventure I felt like I was playing her successfully and she was successful.

Tombs of Golarion details the Golden Ossuary of Kerse. On the bottom level is a quote from The Prophecies of Kalistrade that doubles as a riddle. “The right and proper path of a follower of Kalistrade leads to riches. One must always follow the letter of the law, but
one can use its interpretation to bring about a favorable outcome. Be warned: anything more sinister can lead to folly, yet even in the depths of greed one can find secrets.” She solved it correctly by realizing that "right and proper path," was literal and that they were being warned off from the left "sinister" path.

>>51680738
I forgot about that. Thanks!

>>51680816
Displacement, Dispel Magic, Cloak of Winds (personalized wind wall), Nondetection, Vampiric Touch, Major Image, and of course classics such as Lightning Bolt and Fireball.

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>>51680788
What about invisible syringe stirges for mobile, undetectable explosions?

what do you guys use for text based online games? how does your personal group separate in and out of character stuff?

>>51680378
If 3.5 is open, just take Metaphysical Spell Shaper and you do it for free always. Also there's a skill trick that just lets you conceal any spellcasting motion, no feat.

>>51680866
Different channels on discord.

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>>51680823
Guns, with gun kata they'd be sick!

>>51680866
For forum Play by posts, we have one or more threads for each IC and OoC.

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>>51680866
IRC is handy, though it goes differently between the groups I'm in.

>use two IRC channels in one group, one for IC, one for OOC bantz and dice rolls, no visuals
>for another, use an IRC room for IC; roll20 for rolls, bantz, and map stuff

So my GM told me we were starting at level 9. I made a character who in his back story lead a slave rebellion into a short lived revolution before burning a city to the ground and striking out north to turn his band of slaves into a mercenary band. Plus I listed a few exploits the band went on in the following decade and a half.

He told me that was way too much for level 9.

I have to ask, how much do you think is appropriate for a level 9 character?

>>51680866
Fantasy Grounds

What's a Magus supposed to do with its feats? Bladebound if that matters.

>>51680924
I find it suspicious you have not posted the exploits f a m

>>51680947
You need melee feats.

>>51680816
Displacement, dispel magic, exploding runes, deep slumber, heroism, hold person, twilight knife, animate dead

>>51680947
Dex or Str, and what 3pp can you use if any? What traits do you have? Intensify Spell for Shocking Grasp is usually stock, so long as you have the metamagic traits.

>>51680950
The ones I had listed were:
>being contracted to guard a baron, ending up routing out the cult that was after him
>hearing tell of the ruins of a city being uncovered, full of treasure, going there and ending up having half the mercenary company die to an army of natives
>crossing a mountain range full of undead, killing a family a ghouls in the mountain range who wanted to demand my character's eternal service
>a brief stint in the service to a larger empire, ending with us cutting to run after a massive battle that turned into the lynch pin of the empire's fall, my character having to duel a figure of the empire's army to get out (the guy was supposed to have died in the battle, he was level 9 as well according to the GM)

The empire was in the setting's back story.

>>51680961
Well I don't know what melee feats to take.

>>51680985
Dex, no 3pp since I'm just making a thing to bring to a game I don't know anyone at. Haven't picked a trait at all. Looks like I'll be like 5th-8th level in the campaign.

>>51681016
I don't find the exploits you've listed OTT but I do find it a bit weird you mentioned these specific ones as e.g. the ghoul one seems to have been resolved completely? I feel like it's maybe the number and the directly writing yourself into the death of an apparently important NPC (given it's one mentioned before the game has even kicked off) that's too much.

>>51681029
Piranha strike, empower spell, weapon finesse, craft wondrous item is never bad if the gm is willing to let you get more starting gear out of it, and you have a spare feat laying around.

>>51681053
Yeah maybe it was the general. He was part of a list of like 10 generals who died in the battle though.

>>51680786
Correct.

And the +8 Racial bonus means your familiar can even use scrolls and shit, and use wands without fail.

>>51681029
Weapon Finesse at 1st level

At 5th level you have a bonus feat, so you can take both Weapon Focus (scimitar) and Dervish Dance in the same level.

Not sure what you'd want at 3rd or 7th levels (or 1st again if human).

>>51681029
Trait-wise, Magical Lineage (Shocking Grasp) is ubiquitous for Magi. If your DM allows your Black Blade to be made of Cold Iron, consider Ancestral Weapon for a boost to your attack bonus, if you can't use the old Heirloom Weapon.

Feat-wise? Intensify Spell, the usual Weapon Finesse+Dervish Dance, possibly a crafting feat (Wondrous, namely). Weapon focus wouldn't be a bad idea either, considering you're probably going to be Bladebound anyway.

>>51680256

Would Saoirse be a Celestial pact, or Fae?

>>51681067
At low level there's nothing really to do with empower spell for a 1-6 caster.

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What's the wildlife like in Varisia? Local birds, fish, and the like?

what is tenebrine armor?

>>51680671
> Spell Recall (Su): at 4th lv, the Magus learns to use his arcane pool to recall spells he has already cast... swift action he can recall any single magus spell the He Has Already Prepared and Cast That Day...

No it can't, the closest thing I can think you're actually thinking about is Knowledge Pool. And that's not even what you're talking about.

What Craft skill would something like a bell be under?

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>>51680382
I got that image off gurochan /f/. The comic from further above is a girls und panzer manga, probably up on exh.

Here, have fem!Zon Kuthon.

>>51681152
Reminder you can't dervish dance with spell combat unless the gm hand waves.

>>51681354
Seems very...prehistoric, for the most part. Lots of species that would have otherwise gone extinct in our world are still stomping around, big primordial aurochs, huge and strong horse breeds, big majestic birds, etc.

>>51681515
Craft (Bell)

>>51681535
But isn't Craft somewhat general in scope? Like armor, weapon, clothing, they're just general working with the materials

>>51681559
You can't make a really special bell unless you have Craft (Bell). I guess you could get away with a general skill if you're that one bell-focused 3PP class.

>>51681515
I think Instrument.

>>51681528
What, it's the only Dex to damage feat from paizo that does work though?

>>51681528
You are thinking of Slashing Grace and Fencing Grace, which were killed by Paizo in errata because ???. Dervish Dance absolutely works and there's no errata.

>>51681515
Probably metalworking of some kind. Blacksmithing might work.

>>51681650
Hitting things with swords is overpowered.

>>51678965
What's /pfg/'s opinion on the Electrokinetic? Good? Bad? Shit? Not Shit?

>>51681650
The only effect was to make Maguses all wield the same weapon and reduce game variety. That's it. Whoever did that should be fired, not because of just the change but what it means about their goals as a designer in general.

>>51679191
Artist name, please?

>>51681207

I'm inclined to leen Fae, she seems to be based on Celtic faeries. Maybe even Aos Si considering they name similarities.
But then again it could be either, Celtic Fae and Angels/Celestials have a lot of similarities.

What's your favorite schools of magic?

I have a love of Transmutation and Illusion.

>>51681685
The Magus' design already fucking does that. Unless you're using an archetype that lets you use ranged weapons, you want to use an 18-20/x2 Dex weapon for the defensive and initiative benefits from Dex, as most of your damage comes from crit fishing + spells, OR you want to use a whip for long range debuffs.

>>51681739
>Celtic Fae and Angels/Celestials have a lot of similarities
m8

>>51681752
Enchantment and Necromancy.

>>51681646
>>51681650
Dervish Dance specifies you can't have a weapon in the off hand, spell combat states you cast a spell as an off hand weapon. Thus, by RAW, it doesn't work.

I know it's dumb and I disagree with it as well, Magus is my favorite 1pp class, but that was my impression.

>>51681801
but you're wrong. casting a spell is not a fucking weapon.

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>>51681752
Conjuration is my all-time favorite, but I happen to love having minions so yea, might as well just make that Conjuration(Summoning/Calling).

>>51681833
It is in the case of the Spell Combat feature of the Magus class.

>>51681801
>>51681866
It's wrong in the sense that you do not have the weapon in your offhand when you make your attacks with the weapon. You cast the spell, then the hand is empty again.

>>51681833
> Spell Combat (Ex): at 1st lv, a Magus learns to cast spells and wield his weapons at the same time. This functions like two-weapon fighting, but the Off-hand Weapon Is A Spell that is being cast.

Please tell me where I'm wrong RAW wise. Because this is a discussion that has been had at my table by more stickler gms.

>>51681866
not really. it says it functions much like a weapon. not it is a weapon. lrn2read.

>>51681891
See >>51681916

Though is a good argument.

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>>51681891
with the scimitar, I mean. The wording does not explicitly shut down using a spell, because you are not carrying a spell in the offhand.

>>51681916
Here's the text for Dervish Dance:
>Benefit: When wielding a scimitar with one hand, you can use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on melee attack and damage rolls. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelist’s precise strike ability). The scimitar must be for a creature of your size. You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand.

You ARE NOT "carrying" a spell in your offhand. The spell is used, and the hand is empty when you move to make the attack with your scimitar. Unless your GM is fixed on being a complete dick for no reason, there is no cause to disallow it to work with Spell Combat.

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>>51681833
>>51681833
Dervish Dance
>You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand.
Spell Combat
>At 1st level, a magus learns to cast spells and wield his weapons at the same time. This functions much like two-weapon fighting, but the off-hand weapon is a spell that is being cast.
Two Weapon Fighting
>If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon.

So Dervish Dance does not work if you are carrying a weapon.
When you use spell combat you get a spell as an offhand weapon.
Two weapon fighting requires you to weild the weapon.

The two ways to interpret this are
Dervish Dance does not work because your must weild the spell and that makes it count as a weapon as per the magus ability.

Or

Dervish Dance does work because the spell is not a weapon even if it is wielded.

The other big tell would be if it works in other situations such as, what if I hold the charge on a touch attack and then make an attack with the touch attack as part of a full attack with dervish dance would it work or would it not work?

>>51681945
See>>51681916

It openly states the spell being a off hand weapon

>>51681962
See >>51681966
Some people at the table leen toward this argument and was split. The charge being held and possibly reused being the biggest talking point. Because at that point you are Holding a touch attack as an Off-hand Weapon.

>>51681972
>>51682024
It says it functions like two-weapon fighting as shorthand for mechanics, not because it's actual two-weapon fighting.

The short of this all regardless, though, is that the magus is once again being cucked from ever getting anything remotely nice. It had a few things at the start, and they've slowly taken them away until it had only two things. Now it will only have one thing: The MAD as fuck Strength build that gets dumpstered on until higher levels.

>touch attack as an off-hand weapon
This ceases to be the case if you use Spellstrike, because then it is being channeled through your main weapon.

>>51682058
Well yes but that is because paizo won't let people hit things well, which is why any sane person would just allow dex to damage as a feat, as that gives using dex in melee a two feat tax which is pretty hefty.

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Is a bard viable to play in a group? Feels like they lag behind everyone else. in most ways.

To add on that, what about archaeologist bard? The luck buff brings up their lackluster hit chance if for only a small number of hits per day, but at cost of being able to buff your allies.

>>51682108
Bards are fine, they can bring a lot to the table as long as your instrument can be played one handed/no handed.

>>51682106
I tried to get my DM to do this but he just said to make it part of the Weapon Finesse feat instead. Not sure if I like it, as a dexfag.
I really should tell him to either split it up, or at least do the Feat Tax route.

>>51682108
>is the team oriented 6th level caster with a huge variety of skill usage and some excellent exclusive spells viable?

hmm

>>51682108
>Caster
You're good.

>>51682108
One thing you might want to ask your DM is if they'd allow the rounds of Arch Luck to scale up like normal Performance does.

If I recall, the writer said it was supposed to, but due to the way it was written, it actually doesn't. And they can't get an errata for it.

>>51682138
Or just invest that extra feat into something flavorful.

What is the best drug in pathfinder to do lines of? I need to do lines of something off of an aasimar hooker's ass.

>>51682108
Don't rely on spells that require saves. Archaeologist can be a bit tough because you are no longer a buffer as your main shtick. An archaeologist has to actually hold their own in melee/ranged combat. However they can.

>>51682298
Harlot Sweets.

>>51682298
Bachelor snuff is a dust, and it's got a practical application for sexy times.

>>51682244
It works out and it's a nice QoL thing I guess, but it still leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth on principle. The only character I have that would actually utilize it with that GM is an investigator in an Iron Gods game, and she had to take that moronic Technologist feat in order to actually do ANYTHING in that campaign. Plus I decided to be a total memelord and do TWF. In the campaign that pretty much REQUIRES Adamantine weapons.

Her only magic items when we went on Hiatus are a +1 Construct Bane dagger, which was her offhand weapon. She is level 7. She lacks any magic gear because both her weapons are Adamantine, and we didn't immediately sell the skintight catsuit, which she is wearing despite not having a particularly amazing figure.

>>51682298
Felwil

>>51682324
>>51682298
I am so stealing this.

>>51682324
It doesn't do anything for you though. You wouldn't do lines of it.

>>51682316
Harlot sweets are a candy you suck on, besides she should be taking then, not me.

>>51682324
Looking for something a bit more hardcore than Bachelor Snuff. You also wouldn't do it in lines.

>>51682351
Felwil is getting closer. Anything else a big more hardcore?

>>51682433
Sure it does--1 gp and a quick snort now means you don't have to worry about a bastard later.

>>51682453
I don't know dude. Whatever you feel better suits your imaginary drug whore fantasy. Make something up, or hire a real hooker.

>>51682453
>Harlot sweets are a candy you suck on, besides she should be taking then, not me.

You can also powder them up and snort them.

Plus, being more attractive and better at sex can only be a good thing.

>>51682478
>INT damage

Are you sure about that?

>>51682478
>SNORT EVERYTHING

>>51682488

When has Intelligence ever helped anyone?

>>51682453
Scour is pretty hardcore

>>51682478
I'm doing lines of the stuff. Doing lines of harlot sweets might actually make me brain dead.

>>51682465
I'll just see if my GM will let me find heroin.

>>51682565
We wouldn't have civilization without INT!

Granted, it doesn't have a lot of WIS, but you can't deny there was quite a bit of INT involved.

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What sort of enemies has your character made over their career, /pfg/? Are any in high places? Have any managed to go up against you more than once?

>>51682567
WAIT I found it, it's perfect. I'll do powdered mummy skin.

>>51682566
I'll mix the two, I'll call it Mr.Clean.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/variant-magic-rules/spheres-of-power
Spheres of Power is now on d20pfsrd!

>>51680646
It's not that a wizard HAS to prepare all of his spells, Its that a sorcerer doesn't need to prepare ANY. You show up, have you character sheet, and you are ready to go!

>>51682634
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Is there any source on Tiefling fertility?

>>51682705

They're about as fertile as any other race, why?

>>51682705
what aspect of it?

>>51681752
Abjuration, followed by conjuration and necromancy in a distant tie for second place, but Abjuration is unequivocally my jam.

>>51679394
And then everyone else can point out the fact that PF's mechanics are absolute horseshit. It is exactly butthurt.

>>51682298
Why Aasimar?

>>51682741
It was the most expensive one they had.

>>51682578
We antagonized a group of quirky lady bandits when we beat them nearly to death for threatening us and to protect the community from their future depredations.

Now they're all huffy about it. Pretty unreasonable, and definitely not Justice, but they're chumps, not people in high places. The best thru can do is try to ambush and kill us, or maybe seduce the gullible paladin into becoming their bitch boy.

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>>51682705
Why do you need to know?

>>51682723
>>51682721
I was wondering when birth defects and menopause would kick in, if ever. Gotta plan that dream life with plenty of time for kids, after all.

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>>51682705
Here ya go.
Why do you want it?

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>>51682806
>>51682785
See >>51682790

>>51682790
Oh, well, tieflings have human lifespans now right? So probably around the same time as humans.

>>51682736
>game doesn't give me even remotely the experience I want out of D&D, or any RPG for that matter, because of its mechanics
>u butthurt bro
Fuck off retard. At least with PF I can go use ToB material and barely have to lift a finger to make it compatible.

>>51682836
That's what I was afraid of. There's so much Evil to defeat; when do you ever find time to raise a family?

>>51682854
You just went full butthurt, you piece of shit.

>>51682926
>implying
Yeah, right. Just look at your posting style. You're so butthurt you won't be able to sit for a week, you absolutely worthless piece of human trash.

>>51682836
delete this

seriously, growing to adulthood at human speed is fine, the rest is retarded

>>51682945
Hahaha, trying to sound like a tough guy so hard but failing spectacularly at it and instead sounding like a whinging loser. Well, you do play Pathfinder.

>>51682926
I'm pretty sure the one person that's butthurt here is the one who's accusing other people of being butthurt because they don't like a system you like for objective reasons. I don't like PF for a lot of different reasons, but at least I can make it play tolerably with a gentleman's agreement instead of outright having to uproot the game from the core design philosophy upwards.

>>51682969
Unlike other systems, Pathfinder's entire premise was founded on butthurt.

>>51682985
So was 5E's.

>>51682946
I'm inclined to agree. I'd hate for my character's cute waifu to be rendered infertile with age

>>51683003
No, it really wasn't.

But I'll take the bait, in what way?

>>51683073
"Fuck, people hate 4e. Fuck them, we know better."

So, Sky Pirates.

Deader than dead?

Hey Bloodborne Hunter Homebrew guy

Beast patients are pretty neat.

Thankfully enough, we haven't run into any real issues with the abilities of the BB Hunter class. Unfortunately for the Charred Hunter guy, he needed a cohort alongside using a Beneficial Bandolier to be able to make multiple attacks with the Church Cannon (it was fucking cool, though).

Unfortunately for us, we 4 hunters and a cohort were pitted against a horde of 15 beast patients and a late arrival. We cut our way (and blasted) through the first wave of 6 with relative ease, but on the 2nd round 9 more swooped on in and gave us a hard time.

We -would- have died, but time was running short (we had other things to do) so the late arrival came in and dominate-person'd some of us. Last man standing was our Charred Hunter and his cohort.

Black powder is great when you set off about 10 kegs-worth at once.

I personally dig how the moonlight trick works, makes for interesting shit. I missed, though, so I'm a little sad at that. Fragmented-as-hell posts are fun.

>>51683108
Give actual examples rather than your own impassioned imaginings. I can also make up quotes.

>>51683073
>exists because Mearls rage-kneecapped its predecessor with Essentials, a product nobody wanted, so he could go make 5E instead

>>51683125
kek, really?

>>51683134
See >>51683130
I can make up shit as well.

Is bringing in a Tiefling with that one oversized arms feature looked down upon at game?

>>51683153
It's not making shit up when that's what actually happened.

>>51683151
The DM has been unresponsive for over a week now and we're past the chargen deadline. I suppose it's possible he could show up with the list of characters in the next few days, but at this point I have to think more than a few people are wondering what's going on.

>>51679721
Joke's on you, people actually ENJOY Shadowrun!
And seriously, people on a /pfg/ shouldn't be shitting on SR. Those are two systems that really should be standing shoulder-to-shoulder, ready to take on the world in big crunchy bites.

>>51683157
It's borderline. I think it usually depends on what you're planning to do with it.

Wield a big sword as a fighter? Seems legit.
As a barbarian? Ehh...
As a broken blade/primal fury initiator? Get out.

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What's happening in RotJR tonight?

WHAT'S HAPPENING?

>>51683206
Gonna go ahead and predict that this session is mostly combat.

>>51683163
I'm not seeing any back up to that. But sure, whatever makes it easier for you.

Pathfinder wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the butthurt reaction against 4e and Paizo manipulated that butthurt.

>>51683206
Team Warder is on fire tonight!

Both literally and metaphorically!

>>51682985
To be fair - legitimate butthurt.
A lot of people got fucked over by Hasbro's boneheaded decisions to try and undo the OGL going into 4E, and Paizo got fucked over worst of all. Can't really blame them for going off and making their own 3.5 with hookers and blackjack.

>>51683188
Shadowrun is fun. Do you know what's not fun about it, though? Sitting there for an hour twiddling your thumbs because your Decker buddy is doing his job and nobody else can join in on it.

>>51683177
To be fair, most of the characters were shit.

>>51683236
Also rather unfun is having to be logged into itunes with the webcam on if you want your hydraulic legs to enhance your jumping, else you're SoL because lol proprietary software crap.

>>51683206
I'M GONNA SHOOT AN ARROW WITH ANOTHER ARROW

>>51683260
>we'd learned to treat the usual knee injury, but this double arrow crap just ended my career.

>>51683257
I guess they would have been better received if there was a "THICC musclegirl!!! :D" character.

>>51682985
And what a glorious butthurt it was.

>>51683235
Hasbro has always been shit, they had a good thing with 4e but their advertising campaign for it belittled and turned off a lot of people. Some people were already completely biased against 4e for no reason. Paizo manipulated this.

>>51683283
To the DM? Not to me, and I still felt overall most were subpar.

>>51683260

BLAT BLAT BLAT

WATCHIN' GOBBOS SPLAT

>>51683315
The utter massacre they committed against their online resource systems and minis threw a lot of people out as well.

>>51683157
Always. The main reason is that it's supposed to be random or GM decided, and the other is that, when available, it suddenly makes them the ideal race for everyone who uses weapons. Everyone.

>>51683327
What didn't you like about them?

>>51683358
To be fair, didn't the guy who was making the online tools murder-suicide himself and his wife?

Can't really blame Hasbro for that...

>>51683379
People by and large (not everyone) wrote really dull characters for a game about sky pirates.

>>51683404

That's what happens when your plot and setting sucks.

>>51683404
>dull
Dull in what way? Were you wanting more whimsy?

>>51683404
Sounds kind of like victim-blaming.
"This game is abandoned because none of you impressed me"? Really?

>>51683450
I'm not the DM m8.

>>51683404

That's because all we got was a FUCKING PREMISE.

The DM seemed like one of those fucking idiots that think screaming, "SKY PIRATES! SKY PIRATES! IT'S PIRATES IN THE SKY! AIRSHIPS!" Is enough to make a campaign.

>>51683443
Whimsy? Sure, if it had something to it but not as a rule. It's not whimsy that makes or breaks a character app.

>>51683473
That should be enough senpai. Don't make bad excuses for lazy imagination.

>>51683472
Yeah I get that, I'm just curious if you had a more specific that you didn't like.

>>51683473
Yeah, this was definitely a bit of a red flag. And you know what it reminded me a lot of?

>comfy

>>51683489
>>51683473
I mean there was something else in one of the previous threads lately (can't remember what) that really made me think "Wow, basically nobody who applied for this game tapped anything *established* interesting about pirates and tall ships. Like not even getting into inventing stuff, just stuff everyone knows from lit, fiction and history.

>>51683489
>That should be enough senpai.

Maybe if you're terrible at creating meaningful characters.

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>>51683450
My "greatest" experience was a a sci-fi game where, in order to make sure our characters would actually fit together, we made kirk, spock, bones and scotty.

Not only did the GM NOT pick up on this, but the VERY FIRST THING HE DOES is split the party, proceed to ignore three of us for two hours as he introduces his NPCs in a social scene to the one person there, and then has the gall to tell us, an hour late for the 2nd game the week after, that he was unhappy with how little we'd bothered to roleplay and how completely lacking in cohesion the party was.

This was an RL game, no less...

>>51683398
wat

>>51683523
It did appear that most of the players were! I was not sure why most of the applications had applied for a sky pirate game.

>>51683489
It's not enough because you need more than a premise eventually.

Like, some materials for a session, and characters, and maybe even a general plot...

Which, when the "GM" realized would be required along with work, decided fuck this shit.

>games that pick first poach all the good players
Shock.

>>51683537
You don't need more than a premise to make a character, and your character is the greatest contribution you can make to a game + setting even before you've actually started playing.

Sorry you're salty you didn't get in/the game died.

>>51683518
I think that's part of the problem that people are pointing out here. Nobody used things like this because they don't know how relevant they were to the setting.

>>51683541
The mental circuitry you've got to think about and make this point must really be something.

>>51683566
you need more than a premise to actually run the game after everyone's made characters and the session's started.

that's what I'm saying.

That's enough to get some characters done, yes.

But it's not enough to run the game afterwards. The premise is all the work the GM ever put into that campaign. No more, no less. That's what I'm saying.

>>51683566

There's a difference between, "You're part of this Empire, you're going to the New World, write the rest in" and "You're SKY PIRATES! Write a character!"

>>51683571
I see. So were you worried that a game about sky pirates would actually turn out to be an underground game about building up systems of government among small albino crab creatures? Or possibly a game about awakening giant stone statues from the depths of an ancient city which is actually a magic grimoire?

I don't have the reaction image for your post but it's this expression ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and the point is you're an idiot.

Another Magus quesion:
Flamboyant Arcana on a het character, y/n?

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>>51683526
Kaguya reminds me that people should sometimes have a lot more inner thoughts/monologues for their characters.

So many players (and thus characters) keep quiet about so much all too often...

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>>51683623

>Het

>>51683601
That's true.

>>51683610
Yep, the second is much freer and you have much more space to work in to make good stuff.

>>51683529
The guy broke down and killed his wife and himself, it was completely holy shit and tragic.

>>51683636

The best writing is done with some level of guidelines, doing some bullshit "you're X, GO!" Is lazy and presents too many possibilities without enough hooks.

>>51683235
That's still butthurt. Fuck all that pettiness.

>>51683623
>2017
>making a str8 character
Wow anon, how'd you get so problematic?

>>51683623
Flamboyant Arcana is only really useful as a prerequisite for Arcane Deed, since it gives you the least useful deeds.

And Arcane Deed is only useful if your GM uses the version from before errata raped it, allowing you to take something like Precise Strike.

>>51683677

This.

Everyone is equal, except for hetero characters.

Holy shit, fuck those shitlords.

>>51683623
>not being a flamboyant piece of shit no matter the sexuality

Clearly you've never seen any swordsman at work. Also see >>51683679, because Flamboyant Arcana and Arcane Deed both got a nerf dildo the thickness of Seoni's thighs in her the Kingdom Death art.

>>51683671
If you're having background problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but an open-ended character creation premise offering a huge number of potential options ain't one.

Who wants to play a game that is literally just Steel Ball Run with saints parts giving mythic ranks.

>>51683677
>>51683695
And this is why the reproduction-hating deviants must burn once more.

>>51683235
You realize Paizo just wanted money from the people who felt butthurt, don't you. Paizo don't actually care about their game, as evidenced time and again by how poorly it is designed, the knee jerk nerfs to all of the martials and the amount of shit with single gold nuggets rarely found.

>>51683621
The point is that literature and history as it relates to pirates and sailing as we know it doesn't necessarily equivocate to a sky pirate setting nobody ever really knew anything about... and those things you're giving as examples aren't even really setting, so I think if you want to go looking for idiots you should start with a mirror.

>>51683523
So a character needs to be a quirky trope to be meaningful?
I suppose everyone should make things that are fetish bait or quirky super special snowflake to get into a /pfg/ game no wonder we have the worst reputation among /tg/ generals.

>>51683716
>a nerf dildo the thickness of Seoni's thighs in her the Kingdom Death art.

Could Kingdom Death Seoni take a dildo the thickness of her own thigh?

>>51683754
https://sites.google.com/site/pathfinderogc/magic/all-spells/b/bouncy-body

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>>51683716
It takes a special kind of technique to be that flamboyant!

Usually it's passed down the family line for GENERATIONS.

So another game is ending recruitment soon! Let's look at characters.

>https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4575801/applications

Four Spots are open, Vote here!
>http://www.strawpoll.me/12313956

Characters who haven't been accepted yet:
>Matsutoya, Tattooed Mystic
>Kohaku, Kitsune Gunslinger
>Yaozu, Infamous Duelist
>Niara, Harrowed Soothsayer
>Al, Nonspecific Orc
>Lorry, Desperate Bandit
>Nettle, Masked Physician

>>51683733
I hope you mean to the party.
If PCs have to start competing for mythic ranks, or if there's a chance they might lag behind the intended challenge level because they didn't grab enough Jesus bits, that's a deal-breaker.

>>51683779
The DM has already chosen bad characters. This game isn't worth assessing.

>>51683779
Nonspecific Orc is my favorite class.

>>51683779
That's a shockingly brief app by DHB standards.

>>51683821
When are you going to suck this faggot's cock and shut up about him already?