/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

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Finished some tacticals today.

>>51662830

Those look nice Anon

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>>51662830
Looking good!

Almost finished my Siege Breaker for dat sweet sweet phosphex Ironfire. Temporary base, needs weathering, and to figure out to glue that goddamn metal backpack with attachment.

I forgot how metal was so annoying to work with.

Which RoW would be least douchebaggy in a 1000 pts tournament; Armoured Breaktrough or Primarchs Chosen?

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>>51662915
>HH
>Tournament

>>51662915
Primarch's Chosen.

I do like Armored Breakthrough, but at low points a lot of armies just won't be able to handle it.

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My undead Iron Hand for my Legion Diorama. It's based off the resurrected Iron Hands in the short stories Keys of Hel, and Riven.

I wanted to give him a necromantic feel without any actual flesh showing.

>>51662915
Armoured breakthrough, I guess. If opponents can get into close combat with your predators (assuming smaller tables for 1000 point games) they can at least give them a darn good S4 fisting in their rear armour. A primarch may be basically uncounterable for a TAC list at that points level.

I would absolutely check how "friendly" the tournament is though, both are pretty beardy so you may seem a dick if nobody else is going all-out with their lists.

>>51663017
One guy's bringing Custodes.

His hq will have a shield. Either fist or paragon spear. Most likely 3++.

>>51663064
The weakness of that character is still drowning them in 2+ saves that can't be rerolled. So just bring lots of high strength, high volume weapons

>>51663016
Nice, that's one of the better ones. What did you use to get the purple all around the model?

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>When the Hazard stripes are of uneven thickness

>>51663111
You pick which save you make anon, he'll always get the 3++.

>>51663111
He can pick which save to use, though, so if he has any sense he'll be using invulnerable saves at all times. Still just need to drown him in wounds from Volkite or bolter spam, really, since we have no Callidus to slash him with a phase sword. Guess you could try to step on him with a Knight, too, and the D sword will deny him his reroll and kill him in 21 swings because stupid -1 to Hit :(

Honestly I think most of Inferno's problems save Magnus D nova are caused by the writers realizing they can directly modify To Hit like that rather than inflicting WS/BS penalties, and being too liberal with them, rather than the NL rule that is less severe.

Rolled 10 (1d10)

>>51663146

That's a decimaaaaaation!

>>51663131
Purple wash and blue glaze mixed together then heavily thinned.

The glow effect is genestealer purple, the wash mix, then emperors children pink.

>>51663111
>>51663149
>>51663168
Also, the custodes HQ can't have eternal warrior at 1000 points, if that helps at all.

>>51663146
Yes well, it's not like I have masking tape small enough to begin with. Mine is 3mm, which is wayyy too big for a marine sized model. I have to cut it to make it roughly the proper size, and then making it stick on the damn legs with all the bolts, ridges and crevices was a pain in the ass.

>>51663206
S10 spam then, or a bunch of Rad.

Archmagos and some of those rad-bots.

>>51663146
Paint over the black with yellow and switch to IF.

>>51663233
Scyllax? Can't do shit, really. I'd probably go with Arch Reductor and some Wrecker Castys, since even at -1 to hit they hit on 5+, and the AR can take a S10 Chain/Power Fist and lay the smackdown, while all being immune to the ID from the Solarite.

Rad isn't really helping, since even at T3 from Furnace + Nades he's still hiding behind his 1/9 save.
Rad-cleansers will work well if you can hit his unit, 3 RC secutors will force an average of 30 saves on a 6 man unit if they can get them all, which will either take three wounds off him or kill 2.5 Custodes, which is almost worth the Secutors there. Probably prefer the S10 melee, honestly.

Magnus being broken piece of shit aside, why the FUCK does he have super special Primarch's Chosen that is blatantly better thatn what other Primarchs have to deal with for no reason?

>>51663233
Get a stormlord, get 5 techmarines with rad grenades, put them in storm lord, drive up to him, disembark, assault.

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>>51663228
>Making excuses

>>51663331
Because Wizards are the best you stupid plebe.

>>51663339
>>51663146
>progressively getting more deformed
I warned you about black holes, bro.

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SWORN TO AVENGE
CONDEMNED TO HELL
TEMPT NOT THE BLADE
ALL FEAR THE SENTINEL

>>51663339
>i'm melting! oh, what a world! what a world!

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>>51663339
>Not posting any of your own work

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>>51663480
>Bolter, semi-drilled
>Back pack, unsmoothed
>Pauldron, black inner rim

>>51663331
>playing a melee class in d&d

>>51663397
patrician music taste anon

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>>51662830

>>51663536
>not playing ad&d, where balance is solved in the best way possible: by giving martial classes a free army at level 9
Also, wrong thread.

>>51663533
It's a meme image ya dip.

>>51662780

Any cool Custodes conversions? I think the GW ones look like absolute ass and I think they really fucked FW over by saddling them with a dumb official aesthetic that they have to copy.

>>51663644
I'm going to laugh my ass off if it turns out FW designed the custodes for GW to make in plastic.

>>51663644
Pretty sure FW designed BoP including the Custodes bud

>>51663711
Considering FW made the BoP box, I find it likely.

How competetive/efficient are Volkite Calivers?
I really like the aesthetic, but would it be worth fielding them as a non-compulsory troop?

>>51663397
Grim-bright Curze is best Curze, just like grimdark Batman is best Batman.

>>51663711
>>51663715
>>51663727
Come on now, let the babby has his "muh superior FW designs!" rant.

>>51663146
On my BAC Praetor this mildly happened to me on his chainfist, but I sneakily covered it up with a good amount of BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

>>51663245
>painting yellow over black
Nyet.

>>51663245
>switch to IF.
Best thing that could happen to IWs really.

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How do we make SoS prosecutors interesting?

>>51663810
Is there a consistent fluff or examples for how defectors from the traitor legions joined up with the Imperium?

Were they made "Blackshields" in the Deathwatch sense and integrated into the loyal legions that would take them, or did they form their own ad-hoc organisations that would take orders from Terra and the Primarchs but which didn't get the official sanction of any of the "pure" legions?
I haven't read all the novels if that isn't obvious.

>>51663857
Melt down the plastic and make more Space Marines.

>>51663857
Seeker special ammo.

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>>51663897
>bullying the sisters

>>51663875
>Were they made "Blackshields" in the Deathwatch sense and integrated into the loyal legions that would take them, or did they form their own ad-hoc organisations that would take orders from Terra and the Primarchs but which didn't get the official sanction of any of the "pure" legions?
Yes.

And more.

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How should Thousand Sons be based?
White stone like this seems neat but it looks a bit boring

>>51663979
Sand.

>>51663979
I used AoS Shattered Dominion ones for my SW to be like the ruins of Prospero.

>>51663875
Blackshields as portrayed in book 6 are warbands that may have fought on the loyalist side, but remained independent of the Imperium. "Integrated" and "Blackshields" are mutually exclusive.

There isn't much in the novels, either. I was hoping for more traitor loyalists and loyalist traitors than there actually are. I thought there might be with the Thousand Sons, since 20-30 thousand were sent away from Prospero before the Burning... but it sounds like a lot of them got purged by loyalist legions. Lame.

In other news, I finally read The Seventh Serpent and it was great - there really were Alpha Legionnaires disguised as Iron Hands disguised as Alpha Legionnaires. (Not as many as one review led me to believe, but still.)

>>51663979
SW corpses.

And vice versa.

>>51664134
>SW corpses.

So do a cast of the one on Ahriman's base and put them on everyone's base?

>>51663979
Snow. White compliments red nicely.

>>51664158
Just take whatever bitz you have leftover, cut them up and stick them on your bases, painted SW and blood.

>>51664165
One anon in /wip/ posted some with a pale Sahara-style sand that looked pretty rad

>>51663711
>>51663715
>>51663773

Source on FW designing BoP? That's incredibly disappointing if true.

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>>51664389
B@C and BoP were made by the same team thats doing Blood Bowl and all the boxed games.

>>51664436

Lame, thanks for the source.

Back to the first question, any cool Custodes conversions?

>>51663979
Goblin Green.

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Fuck me, I'm stuck between RG and BA for an assault based DS-ing legion

What one's more fun_____

>>51664544
You want fancy angels or sneaky crows?

>>51664544
Personnally I prefer the RG sneeky beaky playstyle and their models design as well.

If Mexico-bro is here, he could post some dope models as well.

>>51664563
I like the ornate armour models of BA more than RG

But I also like Freedom Fighter-y fluff of RG more also I love the idea of Dropping in a Leviathan dread and it trying to sneaky beakie

>>51664626
>freedom fighters
>serving a tyrant
Don't think so.

>>51663331
Because some legion-specific rites are improved vanilla versions.

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>>51664655
Don't you fucking start now Chaos boyo.

>>51664655
sorry Angron this is a 2+ only zone

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>>51664544
>not basecoating with abaddon black first

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What the fuck does the Misericordia do for a Custodian unit?

>>51664770
Power knife.

>>51664770
Give an extra attack as its an additional CCW.

TSons list I am working on. Going to use my metal Rubrics and it should play like it Rubric spam as well.

Unsure whether to keep Vigilator for IC insurance or drop him to kit out the command squad with better melee weapons.

2k: Thousand Sons, Pride of the Legion

245:: Praetor ML3, Jump Pack, Volkite, Digital Lasers, Iron halo, Force Axe (Pavoni)
255:: 5 Man Command Squad, Combat shields, Jump packs, Volkite (Raptora)

105:: Vigilator with Scout Armor, Psyker (Corvidae)
235:: 10 man Ammitara Cabal (Corvidae)

230:: 10 Man Sniper Vets with Psyker, Shred ammo, AA, PF (Pavoni)
230:: 10 Man Sniper Vets with Psyker, Shred ammo, AA, PF (Pavoni)
230:: 10 Man Sniper Vets with Psyker, Shred ammo, AA, PF (Pavoni)
230:: 10 Man Sniper Vets with Psyker, Shred ammo, AA, PF (Pavoni)

220:: Xiphon w/ Ground Tracking, Armored Cockpit


In case you are wondering:
My main anti-AV14 is hoping the opponent doesn't bring any along with hoping someone rolls Iron Arm and survives long enough to charge.
Sniper doesn't work with Smite. It only affects weapons and witchfires are not weapons.

>>51664792
>>51664803
Alright, but where is the rules for it in the Custodes wargear section? I can't fint it.

>>51664819
Drop the combat shields and vigilator and squeeze in some transports for those vets and one or two power weapons for the command squad.

>>51664626
Look through the rules, models and what you can do with them.

>>51664770
Nothing at all.

I'm done collecting models for my Night Lords, but I've got a whole second Calth box and the better part of two Prospero boxes left over.
What should I do with all my spare mkIV and mkIII armour?

>>51664979
Start a second legion? One of the tough, shooty legions (iron hands, iron warriors, death guard) might make a nice contrast in playstyle to the night lords, and use up that Mk III.

Or just send the spare boxes to me. I'll give you thrupence ha'panny for them.

>>51664859
The main reason for the combat shields was 5++ with Raptora for the command squad.
Also I miss counted and accidentally gave the Standard Bearer a volkite he can't take.

Boxes for everyone are 140, while Vigil and shields are 130.

I Could drop the vigil and get 2 Boxes and 3 Power Weapons plus the 1 more PW form the extra Volkite. 2 sword 2 axe? 4 Lance? :^)

Also does anyone have any idea for the Ammitara. I am thinking SM Sniper scouts but the scout heads don't look right... If anyone has any suggestions for that, they would be appreciated also.

>>51664852
FW goofed, it has rules in one of the other books.

>>51664979
Make more Night Lords? At long as you got room to sleep and paint in the house, the rest if just empty space waiting to be filled with your hobbies.

>>51664979
Do some blackshields. Make them very different from each other, both in livery and mark, have fun, do what you want. That's how you enjoy the hobby

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>>51665023
Can't find the image right now, but I've seen some nice conversion of 40k scouts using dark eldar scourge heads. Might fit the sort of bird theme thousand sons are going to have.

>>51664544
Try painting a single miniature for each legion (like maybe a 30th anniversary RG marine). Shading and highlighting red can be tricky, but black even more so. I'd get pretty frustrated painting RG. Also, BA are likely to get gold-painted units if variety matters to you.

On the other hand, RG have an armor mark almost all to themselves and cool unique units. Blood Angels won't have theirs for up to a year. I'd also say that the main BA RoW doesn't work well if multi-bombing isn't allowed. The crunch-focused BA players minimize assault squads for that reason and load up on assault cannons (with lots of jetbikes and attack bikes to help with the mandatory infantry/vehicle ratio - outriders are another unit that depend on multi-bombing).

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>>51665075
>google "marine scout scourge"
>first result

I used those helmets on some Deathcult Assassins converted from DE.

>>51664740
I understand the frustration, brother. The very idea of not basecoating is horrid.

>>51665121
Ah, my mistake was including the word "conversion". You win this round, google.

>>51665129
The big difference is that Abaddon black has a glossier sheen - but you can easily justify the RG using a flatter (more matte) black. Only works if your sprayed-on base coat is really good.

But I'd strongly recommend basecoating with black that's been given a little bit of blue.

>>51664486
Ive always thought that they would look cool on simarines legs(cooler than terminators by a mile). But ive no interest in starting a custards army.

>>51663146

That pic needs angry, glowing eyes.

>>51664819
>>51664859
>>51665023

I screwed up my math some how. Issues sorted.

New question is what flavor of Power Weapons should the command squad have?

1995/2k: Thousand Sons, Pride of the Legion

265:: Praetor, ML3, Jump Pack, Volkite, Digital Lasers, Iron halo, Force Axe (Pavoni)
285:: 5 Man Command Squad, Combat shields, Jump packs, Power Weapons(4), Volkites(4) (Raptora)

235:: 10 man Ammitara Cabal (Corvidae)

230:: 10 Man Sniper Vets with Psyker, Shred ammo, AA, PF (Pavoni)
230:: 10 Man Sniper Vets with Psyker, Shred ammo, AA, PF (Pavoni)
230:: 10 Man Sniper Vets with Psyker, Shred ammo, AA, PF (Pavoni)
230:: 10 Man Sniper Vets with Psyker, Shred ammo, AA, PF (Pavoni)
70:: 2 METAL BOXES

220:: Xiphon w/ Ground Tracking, Armored Cockpit

>>51665121
>>51665149
Those look decent but don't feel right either.

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Now is a good time for us all to finally agree that the Emperor's Children are indeed the most handsome of all the Emperor's creations.

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>>51665409

What was the campaigning name during Crusade where First Legion was massacred?

>>51665688
The Third Rangdan Xenocide.

>>51665516
>New question is what flavor of Power Weapons should the command squad have?
The AP2 kind

>265:: Praetor, ML3, Jump Pack, Volkite, Digital Lasers, Iron halo, Force Axe (Pavoni)
Roll on biomancy, but make him Raptora for that sweet 3++

Needs considerably more ranged AT.

>>51665516
Drop one vet squad, and pick up a sicaran venator: it will drop heavy vehicles like flies

the command squad should have a mix: mainly axes, but with some sword, just in case of MEQ

>>51665524
That's not how you spell Alpha Legion.

>>51665643
Looks as if from a Squat setting of the series
>The Emperor, at full 1.5 m tall, towers above all mortals.

>>51665524
That's not the blood angels.

>>51665751
>Raptora for that sweet 3++
I would but Raptora is considerably worse than Pavoni for the Vets.

>Needs considerably more ranged AT.
Hoping their aren't tanks isn't enough anti tank? :^)

>>51665776
Thanks.

The reason for the 4 squads of Vets is I have a ton of Metal Rubrics so I would only need to do the sergaents, Ammitara's, command squad and the Xiphon from FW.

Adding the venator will delay the army but w/e. The Xiphon is out of stock right now anyway so I guess i may hold off on that for now.

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>>51665524
Sorry, but you've been BTFO'd ages ago

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>>51665643

>>51665928
Beauty, sword play, dakka, aggressive tactics, the best primarch AND the best colors. Are the rest of the legions even trying?

>>51665924
>I would but Raptora is considerably worse than Pavoni for the Vets.
The vets that are shooting non assault weapons? Also sweeping advance doesn't have a distance.

>>51666001
At least my primarch survived the heresy.

>>51666001
But does they have the best waifus ?

>>51665924
What power do you plan on rolling? Because that 3+ matters a ton.

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>>51666001
>Beauty
1:1
>sword play
2:1 for EC
>dakka
2:2
>aggressive tactics
2:3 for BA
>the best primarch
Arguably true, but a dead one. 3:3
>the best colors
4:3 in favour of EC

Third Legion best legion!

>>51666054
The only valid power.

White Power.

>SW detachment must include 1 HQ per 1000pts.
>detachment of less than 1000pts. = 1 mandatory HQ
>detachment of 1,001-1,999 = 2 mandatory HQ

So what if I have a detachment of exactly 1000pts. or 2000pts.?

>wolf guard terminators
>wargear: frost blade (axe, claw or sword)
>The Frost Blades
>frost blade
>frost axe
>frost claw
>no sword

>grey slayer huscarl
>can exchange CCW for a frost weapon
>just "a frost weapon"
>does this mean a weapon from The Frost Blades list? who know?

Why is this so poorly worded?

>>51666003
>>51666054
I auto get smite, so AP2
Then the option of 3+ on Iron Arm, Enfeeble, and Warp Speed is excellent. Lifeleech is nice S6.
Endurance is situational, and hemorrhage is a dead roll.

So 3 hits, 5 useful, 1 dead.

Telekinisis is good, but considerably weaker since I have shredding sniper bolters and none of their witchfires have AP. Levitation is the only good hit for that able, and that is mildly negated by taking rhinos.

The way I play ML1 squads is I throw 1 die at their powers and half the time it works.
If I really need something you use more but for the most part, I go for zero risk, mid to high reward plays.

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>>51666136
>how much is 1-1000
There hasn't been a day gone without a Space Wolves player asking stupid questions since Inferno pics were leaked.

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>?ey may not bene?t from any Blessing type psychic powers, or
from Leadership bonuses, Leadership re-rolls or other bene?cial special rules provided by other
friendly models or army-wide e?ects which are the result of a Rite of War.

But can a Thousand Sons Mortitat that's a psyker still bless himself or is that off the table?

>>51666165
With 3+, you get WC1 power 66% with one dice and 89% with two.

With 4+, you get it 50/75/87.5% of the time.

Basically, if you plan on actually using powers it's better to get cult for harness bonus, unless you really need that 3++.

Regarding discipline, i've seen a lot of Divinity as well, since it also has lot of good option, and Prescience works well with Shreding shells. But i could see Biomancy working out, sure. Give it a try and see how it works out for you.

>>51666220
"Less than 1000pts." is not 1000pts., anon. 1,001-1,999pts. is not 2000pts. either. Don't blame me for your public school's education.

>>51666232
That should read
>may not benefit from any blessing type psychic powers, or from leadership bonuses, leadership re-rolls or other beneficial special rules provided by other friendly models

>>51666232

yes, but it won't do anything.

Lets say the Mortitat is with a squad of destroyers.
He casts a psyker buff, it would only target him and would have no effects.
He casts a unit buff, it would target him and his unit, buff the unit but have no effect on him.

>>51666302
Well it's good for getting primaris powers
Running around with two plasma pistols and Smite sounds like a good idea except it isn't but I'm going to do it anyway.

>>51666251
FW should start proofreading but you deserve a punch because of how dumb you are.
I have a most creeping suspicion you're that AWG guy.

>>51666241
That's the plan.

I don't like presciences as much as smite since it is WC2.
I am use to running Rubrics in 40k so I want to save as many WCs for my HQ and go for 1WC swings with the rank and file. Works relatively well.

>>51666325
>sounds like a good idea except it isn't but I'm going to do it anyway.
Summary of every decision to use Mortitats and Destroyers.

>>51666325
Isn't psychic scream better than smite in pretty much every way?

Alright, so the Assault Vanguard rite states that only units that can deploy via deep strike or embarked in a transport with the Flyer rule may be used. I assume this means no tanks whatsoever. What exactly is this rite supposed to accomplish?

>>51666001
Magnus apparently looks extremely attractive to women and he's one of the few primarchs who isn't autistic about them.

>>51666342
>"Nu-uh, don't insult muh forge world!"

Face it, anon, your waifu is shit.

>>51666386
Yes.

But it also has Invis in the table, and if you accidentally role that, you will be labeled a WAACfag and never get another game again.
:^)

>>51666439
Nah, if you roll invisibility you swap it for the primaris power to avoid the WAAC thing.

What? Psychic focus? Never heard of it m8.

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I've bought a nice hobby saw, some more greenstuff, magnets and some Mad Science.

Project begins once the subject ships from America.

In the meantime, I need a name for the Biologis Sokar Pattern Humpback. Not invoking dubs on a project this expensive.

>>51666001
My Primarch's been alive for over 10,000 years

Yours died like a bitch to a puppet

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>Hella into converting my own space marine characters in 40k
>Want to get into 30k because Thousand Sons are sick
>Looking through Legion Consuls list
oh god

>>51666570
Trips?

Sokar-orca. Sokorca.

>>51666400
I mean, aren't all Primarchs attractive, apart from those who were fucked over physically like Curze, Angron and Mortarion (and even then Curze is notzd as beign somewhat magnificent in his cadaverous way)?

Hell, Lorgar's presence was so impressive that a blind woman could "see" him. They're on a levl the base human brain can't even comprehend on a genetic level, like SM, and that's before big E added his space magic, making them even better on every point.

>>51666570
Filiketos pattern
lat. Children of Cetos
The word for whale is cetacean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceto

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>>51666666

WASTE

>>51666136
Do "Can take 1 Special Weapon per 5 guys" type situations confuse you too?

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>>51666666

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>>51666682
u mad because my silly greek name got more consecutive digits than yours :^)

>>51666666
You fucking son of a bitch

>>51666666
> 666666
Unholy shit

>>51666666
Fulgrim pls go

>>51666682
>>51666696
>>51666719
>>51666727
Oh, stop it. Who gives a shit? Do we really need the thread spammed up with EBIN GET posts?

>>51664852
The misericordia is just the default hand weapon that every model gets , it doesn't count as an additional ccw or anything and was left in the book by error.

Source: Alan himself at the weekender

>>51666692
>if a unit has less than 5 models, it can take one special weapon
>a unit with 6-9 models can take 2 special weapons

How many special weapons does a unit of 5 models get? Or a unit of 10 models? How is this a well worded rule?

>>51666417
If Forgeworld WAS a girl, what would she look like?

Stop looking at me like that.

>>51666770
No one is saying it's a well worded rule, but it's also obvious to figure what they mean.

>>51666751
I do.
I-it's my first hex. I was there in the Satanon thread and that was a nice one.

>>51666661
They have the same kind of subconscious glamouring that the Emps does. But he can control it.

It's reflective of their personality. Big E is golden and magnificent, Fulgrim is perfectly beautiful, Sang is artful and manly like a Greek god.

Mort is tough, resentful and hateful. His appearance reflects that. Same with Curze's insanity. Meanwhile, Lorgar is the charismatic preacher.

>>51666824
>No one is saying it's a well worded rule

Then stop defending them.

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>>51666796

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>>51666769
>The misericordia is just the default hand weapon that every model gets
By "default hand weapon" you mean S(user) AP3 power pugio, right?

>>51666862
No. 1 HQ per 1k points, it's obvious, and you're being retarded on purpose for (You)s

>>51666872
Fuck moneys, get bitches
...wait, no.

>>51666876
This meme needs to die. There is nothing suggesting that it's ap3.

>>51666136
>SW detachment must include 1 HQ per 1000pts OR PART THEREOF
What is it with people missing out part of the rules, then acting like the rules aren't written comprehensively/clearly enough?

>>51666908
40k rules.

>>51666889
>pointing out that FW can't word a simple rule is being retarded

Here's your (you).

>>51666917
I guess you use 40k rules for the banner, the spears, the swords the shields and the shield captain too?

>>51666876
a misericord was a dagger knights used to efficiently kill downed knights and also their own horses if their horses were injured or broke something. It's nothing like a pugio, being much thinner and often wasn't even bladed, it was just a fairly thick spike.

>>51666928
See >>51666914

>>51666946
No, but people are making the inference because FW was too retarded to actually put the rule in.

>>51666070
Of course it is, it has marius vairosean in it

>>51666655
Close, but no cigar.

>>51666666

I suppose I have to go with that now, don't I. Pretty good name, too, and fits quite well with the rest of the Mechanicum terminology, works well on a name scroll, all that jazz.
Nice. Thanks, too. I was struggling to think of something that didn't sound cheesy.

Dark Genetor Filiketos-pattern gunship is a go.

>>51666976
C'mon dude, there's no way there's an entire pattern of repurposed air-whales right?

R-right??

>>51666963
Soooo, like the Apothecary's Carnifex really?

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why are there no primarchs with an affinity for the sea? Surely there are some underwater planets and hives one of them could have plunged into. Atlantis and posiedon seem to be the only trope that GW missed out.

>>51667028
II or XI maybe?

>>51666914
Maybe if they read their own rules and said "detachment of 1000pts. or less" and "detachment of 1,001-2,000pts."?

For a person who complains that people don't read the whole thing, you sure didn't read the whole post where I specifically complained about the wording of the rules. In the case of the HQs, the examples don't follow the first part of the rule itself.

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>>51666963
I know, you told me so.
But the Custodes style is...uh, auric roman? So I thought of their side weapon, the big knife / short blade Pugio.
It's hard to make a comparison when they're either golden dudes wielding gun-spears or naked 300 Spartans, so I'm going to go with greek, which is my answer for everything.

And I just don't imagine Custodian with thin-ass blades.

>>51666976
Thanks :^)

>>51667011
Well, it's probably going to be the name of the ship too, since it's a Reductor fleet, so they don't have a Forge World to name it after, I guess they do the modern Navy thing and name the class/pattern after the first one. Good thing about them having so little fluff is that I can more or less make everything up as I go along.

Also, Mechanicum. An entire pattern of gunship for the Genetors made of modified not!whales with subcutaneous armour and grav-plates is relatively standard for the Mech, especially the Reductor.

Probably going to have brass, bronze or copper metal armour, as the Reductor ships were apparently known as the "Brazen Vultures" and it fits with the Taghmata Scoria robots it will be supporting. Need to come up with the rest of the scheme to compliment that, though. Plenty of time to think while I build the thing, anyway.

>>51667028
>Primarch pod crashes the air bubble of an underwater hive with no survivors
Well, Primarchs do have a tendency to be big guys.

>>51666751
>>>/ribbit/

>>51667048
Looks more like a railroad spike to me.

>>51666035
They have Sanguinius, but ignoring primarchs that title would go to the ultramarines

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>>51667028

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>>51667267
>railroad spike
That'd be more like a rondel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rondel_dagger
But necessity is the mother of invention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Nail

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>>51667314
>implying
Space Marines waifus are bolters, and IF have the best bolters, therefore IF have the best waifus.

>>51667362
Too bad, I want a vigil opertii qt to be my stalker.

they were made into ultramarines

>>51667340
Thanks for sharing this.

>>51667403
Is this the preview of whatever BL book they're making next, when they spill the beans on the one piece of untouchable holy grail old fluff we have left and fuck up everything forever?

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>>51667432
You're welcome.

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>>51664544
>>51665109

For painting RG, I found that deviating from the pic a little is required:

Prime > basecoat black > light drybrush skavenblight dinge for armor depth > Eshin highlight > nuln wash > eshin cleanup on the most raised edges > Other model details

for white carefully applied agrax in recesses, and then a drybrush with praexti white.

I'd post pics but I'm out on my phone.


>>51664740
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Armor autism question.

I don't like the weird gear-thing and exposed pipes of the Mk IV backpack.

How bad would it be if I used Mk VII backpacks?

>>51667483
It is a mild difference at best, I would say go for it.

>>51666570

Why not call it a Melanurus pattern Stormbird?

Its part of the name for the atlantic flying fish

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>>51667483
Backpack difference between mk4 and mk7 is among the most minimal, if not THE smallest change between wildly different marks.

I was actually really glad when they went the extra mile with the Deathwatch mk8, staying true to Goodwin's drawings, covering the top vents.

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Now that we know they intend to domore than 15 books, and want to redo Angron in his Daemonic form, Daemon Angron when?

>>51667657
>implying FW gives a shit about Mr. 3+

>>51667657

Didn't they once release stats for a demon Angron in the WD?

as for stats, prolly in the second part of the Shadow Crusade.

My guess its going to include
- Argel Tal as the WB Gal Vorbak Beatstick
- Vakrah Jal as yet another elite choice
- Angron
- More psychotic World Eaters, possibly Triarii?

>>51667657
Terra
:^)

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>>51667640
>Backpack difference between mk4 and mk7 is among the most minimal, if not THE smallest change between wildly different marks.

wut?

>>51667047
u r a moran

>>51667737
I bet you think a SW IC can exchange their power weapon for a frost axe.

>>51667754
How much would you have bet?

>>51667724
Compared to the huge changes in armor between mk4 and mk7 where litteraly no piece is the same, not even the arms, I do stand by my point, the backpack doesn't change that much.

I doubt you'd really catch it if soemone was using an mk4 backpack on an mk7 armor,or vice versa, whereas if you add mk4 legs, torso, helmets, shoulder pads, whatever, on an mk7, it's going to pop out a lot more.

>>51667761
At least 7.

That feel when you see

FOR THE GOD EMPEROR!

in a post on a thread on /d/

>>51667593
Nice, but doesn't quite roll off the tongue as easily. Might have it as the designation for the scouting drones, or for any other flyers I put in the army eventually.

>>51667782
Is it our God-Emperor?

Also, /pol/ popularised it recently, you may have noticed.

>>51667766
>no piece is the same, not even the arms

MkV and IV seem to use the same backpack and arms. In some cases MkV-VII use the same backpack. MkII and III seem to use the same backpack.

>>51667798
If it's a propa' dark mach name it should stab you in the mouth rather than roll off the tongue.

>>51667724
Mk VII looks a lot more like a simple variation of Mk IV, something that easily could've been made by whatever Forge World was experimenting with armor variants.

Compared to Mk II, III, V, and even the resin VI packs, they are quite close.

>>51666136
>1 HQ per 1,000 points
The 1001-1999 thing is included as clarification (turns out it just made things worse). How many HQ you take in a 1,000 point army is covered by the initial phrase, "at least 1 HQ unit per 1,000 points or part thereof." If that initial part didn't exist, then yes, there would be a problem. But it does so there isn't.

This rule is fine.

>Frost Blades
Yes, this section is very poorly written. You've got frost blades as a type of frost blade, ICs aren't given the option to take a frost axe, there are references to frost swords in unit entries... it's a mess.

Varagyr Terminators can take a second frost sword (=non-great blade, I guess), axe, or claw, so I assume ICs can take frost axes for +5 points.

A Grey Slayer Huscarl pays +15 for a frost weapon, but that does include the more expensive great frost blade? You have to assume so, I think.

>>51666629

>blah blah abundance of choice
>blah blah becomes dissatisfaction

I'm in awe of that list too, though. I fucking love autistically long lists of theme and flavor, even if I'll never use four fifths of the options there.

>>51667724
I swear my 2nd and 3rd edition Mk VII space marines had backpacks that looked like that Mk IV model.

>>51667812
In my example I used mk4 and mk7 since that was what anon asked. But yeah obviously other parts are shared between marks.

>>51667834
If you look at FW's MkII, III, IV, V and IV, you'd note that the only thing that changes is the top of the backpack. The lower portion on all of them is identical with the segmented plates, position of the vents, cabling, etc.

Even with the plastic models, only thing similar with the MkIV and VII are the vents. The body of the backpack is very different.

>>51667828
I don't know, some of them can be very false-affably evil, especially in 30k where they haven't gone full chaos.
And I wouldn't say mine were full Traitors, they just feel that the restrictive creed of Mars is a handicap to worshipping the Unmaker God, since it denys them the best tools of His work. They were created as a Xanatite covenant, so they're a tad shady anyway, but left before the Incursion obviously, so they still use their iconography.
So they still do their job, shooting Traitors and purging planets, it's just that after the Tech-priest or whoever put out the request for them gets a look they'll start trying to murderize them for Tech-heresy. They like that just fine, since it lets them further test their new toys. As the Heresy goes on they get more and more outright villainous, until at the culmination they throw their lot in with Scoria and follow Xana into the Eye.

>>51667798

In that case, i'd suggest naming it the Exocet Pattern. (its the French word for flying fish, and incidentally, the name of a anti Ship missile)

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>>51667904
Now with pic.

>>51667913
Flying fish have nothing to do with this.

Humpback whales are Megaptera novaeangliae. Magaptera isn't too difficult to say and works as a pattern name, imo.

>>51667862
>The 1001-1999 thing is included as clarification

Then it should have been "1,001-2,000pts." and "1,000 or less", no?

>>51667909
I guess it depends on what you consider the significant/determining portion.

If it's the top that changes, I'd call THAT the "determinant" for what makes it a specific mark. And that's what you're going to notice on the table anyways.

>>51667977
I dunno, I tend to watch the backs of my dudes more than their fronts.

I'm glad GW plastic kits contain MkIV backpacks, so I can use them for characters to give them a big more pimped out ones.

>>51667913
Well, it's got a whole bunch of excellent anti-armour missiles on that thing, so that's a good name for them then.

>>51667942

Seeing as the whole ship is the Gunship pattern, the actual creature they build and augment to hell to make one can probably be Megaptera something, although it's probably not a humpback as we know them at this point, so same genus but not species.

I have enough names and information about this thing to write a proper unit entry for it now. Maybe I will while I wait for it to turn up.

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>>51667923
technically all marines in 2e used those packs (including mks 1 through 8)

just like all marines in rt used these ones

it wasn't until much later that the idea of armor marks having unique backpacks became a thing

>>51664544
If you can stomach a bit of shooting before assaulting, the SoH maybe something to look into

>>51668094
If you look at the RT era space marine armour article, you can see the backpacks are different on them. The MkI vents are perfectly horizontal with legion flamer muzzle looking exhausts. MkII and III have the vents actually angled up. MkIV, V, VI, and VII look like they're currently are.

Hey, so I know that Vindicators and Land Raiders are generally frowned upon in 30k use, but what about Rhinos? Would you mind them?

>>51667976
Yes, but it was just clarification. They were taking for granted that you fully understood what was required at exactly 1,000 points based on the main part of the rule, but might not understand "or part thereof."

>>51668094
>>51668224
The sense I'm getting is that the variation in Mk IV - VIII backpacks is less than the variation you'd get from one forge world to another.

FW/GW probably gave the Mk IV packs the little exhaust fan as a throwback to the older models.

>>51668325
Who frowns upon them? That's a chunk of my IH lists

>>51668325
You mean the plastic models? They aren't really frowned upon. I mean, a little bit, but not much. Rhinos and Vindicators are better than Land Raiders and Predators, imo. The remote-controlled sponsons on those, and the angular Predator turret, stick out as being a little too modern.

In other words, go for it. It's really hard to pay more than 1 GBP per point for a Deimos-pattern Rhino.

>>51668339
>Yes, but it was just clarification.

And they got it wrong. Their clarification for their own rule was written wrong.

>>51668451
It wasn't, it simply omitted the case that didn't require clarification.

>>51668489
>It wasn't

You just agreed it should have been written "1000pts. or less" and "1001-2000pts."

>>51668539
That would have been better, yes. I won't agree that it was necessary though, because no one has ever had trouble understanding "1 HQ per 1,000 points". They figured they were clear enough for armies of exactly 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 points, etc, and wanted to clarify what they meant by "or part thereof". Which they did.

>>51668582
>That would have been better, yes.

How is it better if there's nothing wrong with the current text?

>>51668621
Because they overestimated their readers.

>>51668674
Then I guess there's nothing wrong in any of the other rules and text in general, because you know what they were going for, right?

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>>51667701
Yes.

>>51668704
What I'm saying is, it would have been better if they had written their rules so clearly that the spergiest of sperglords could understand them. Because they're worse than any of us could have guessed.

>>51668325
anyone judging for using plastic models that are readily available (especially if you're using them as a way to continue to support your FLGS while building 30k) is a fuckwit.

at this point a little judgement of trying to pass off standard tac squads is to be expected because calth and prospero exist, but the vehicles are all patterns that were in use during the heresy and shouldn't be out of place

>>51668791
>4+
>his armor got even worse since the heresy

jej

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>>51668791

>>51668825
You know what's really spergy? Expecting a £74 book to get proofread. That's like way up there. Hope I'll never have to meet one of those people.

>>51668845
3+, actually. This is following 4th edition rules. At the time, in the Chaos Daemons book, any save shown on a profile indicated that model's Invulnerable Save, rather than an armour save. The Iron Hide Daemonic Gift gave him a 3+ armour save.

The 4e/5e transition period was weird.

>>51668835
People just like to be snooty cunts.
I had one guy start to go off on me when I was putting my shit down cos the first vehicle I placed was a Land's Proteus.
He was in full flight sperg about me and my 40K model and why it was bad and I should do better when I plonked down the Phobos and the Deimos. Cunt stopped talking mid sentence.

What are the absolutely worst units to use in 30k? I've read that Moritats and Destroyer Squads are very bad

>>51668917
Space Wolves and Word Bearers.

>>51668917
Cerberus is super underwhelming as well

>>51668921
I play TS, so I'm safe from those
>>51668923
Ok. Should I add Tarantulas as well?

>>51668917
>>51668990

recon squads for anyone not alphas/RG/IF. (where infiltrate/bolter drill actually makes them semi-useful)

Walking terminators, but your sehkmets don't count.

>>51668990
They might be useful in very situational/fluffy list more than anything. Haven't seen them in play ever. Mechanicum get better weapons on their platforms

>>51668917
Moritats are not worth their points due to getting two nerfs in a row.

Destroyers should have veteran pricing.

Angron is aging.

Phoenix Termis are wildly overpriced.

Without taking Legion flavor into account (so unpainted), which set of head upgrades looks best on Mk IV armor?

>>51669106
Blood Angels, hands down.

>>51669106
DG.

EC not bad either.

>>51669131
>>51669137
Perhaps I should rephrase.

I'm looking for cool heads for blackshields. Which look best without being too specific to their Legion?

>>51669179
Stock MkIV helmets?

What exactly do you want? Because I suggested helmets I thought weren't plastered with anything legion iconography or legion specific things. DG and EC helmets just have a different face plate. Snip the spike off the DG ones if you don't like it.

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>>51662780
What is your loadout for termies?

>>51669237
Sorry, for some reason when I glanced through all of them those stuck out to me as "legion-y."

On second look, the EC ones do look nice.

>>51669259
5xLighting Claws because they look cool, this includes the Sergeant
2x Assault Cannons
3xPower Fist+Bolter

A five man configuration would be

Sgt w/Lighting Claws or Power Fist+Bolter
Assault Cannon
1x Power Fist+Bolter
2x Lighting Claws

>>51669444
What legion though? Let me guess Iron Warriors?

>>51669478
Imperial Fists, only Fists and Angels can have Assault Cannons.

>>51669478
>Iron Warriors
>assault cannons

>>51663016
I love it. Maybe do a tiny pin prick of white in the lenses so they really pop and look like their glowing.

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>>51669507
>>51669509
I can't believe I forgot that. Throw me a pain glove.

>>51669444
Command Squad
>2 extra men
>Raven's Talons x3 (3 normal)
>Chainfist x2 (normal and banner)
>Plasma Blaster
>3x combi plasma
>Grenade Harness

Standard
>4x raven's talons
>1x chainfist
>reaper AC
>4x volkites

first is for busting elites and heavy armor, second is for mulching line infantry. both deploy from dreadclaws.

So has the fluff from Inferno dropped yet? Do Magnus and Russ duel?

>>51669070
>Angron is aging.
How do we fix Angron with minimum effort? I think his armor being shit is the number one issue.

>>51669920

I hate scanbeggers.

>>51669259
2xClaw and Bolter
2xFist and Bolter
1xCFist and Bolter
Banestrike

If I take more I try to keep it roughly equal in the CC department.

>>51669259
Command squad with axes and combi-plasmas, regular squad with axes and a pair of chainfists and reapers.

>>51669941
Wait for daemon Angron. He'll be great

>>51669942
How is that begging for a scan? Are you ok Anon?

>>51670027

He'll be a GW model though. They're doing all the Daemon Primarchs now.

>>51670031

Just salty the scananon has deserted us.

>>51670034
FW could make Chaos empowered traitor primarchs who are yet to evolve into their 40k era status, even if they are daemonic.

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>>51665121
>>51665075
Would Tempestus Scions make for good sniper scouts then?

I want a unit of them for completion sake, but the lack of helmet and scout models in general are causing some perils of the warp for me.

>>51670050
he graduated and doesn't have scanner anymore relax you cunt.

>>51670112
Why not just get different heads? Scouts will fit any IG sized head. Just search around.

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>>51670112
>but the lack of helmet
Whatever helmet you choose, remember that scouts have their oxygen masks/respirators built into their chestpieces.

Hard to find a good picture of it, but one of the third edition scouts has his mask on.

>>51669941
Every 6 to hit is another attack that stacks with his nails

>>51670372
And he wears artificer armour

Sorry if this is dumb question but what counts as a witchfire? Beams, novas, focused witchfires? They're mentioned in the rule book as Witchfire(nova) for example, but I thought I'd check anyway.

The reason I ask is that TSons new Battle- Automata has this special rule
>Psi-locus: When using the witchfire and malediction type psychic powers withing 12" of a castellex archea, psykers with the thousand sons special rule may use one of the models in castellax-archea unit as the origin point of the power, drawing line of sight and range form it rather then themselves.

Now using this with Magnus for example?

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>age of shitmar/borebowl
>Not capitalizing on the hype from the weekender to sell some heresy kits

I WANT MAGNUS DAMN IT

>>51670721
Yes

>>51670748
Wait for the actual release.

>>51670783
Well then that could be a fun combo, not that Magnus needs it but.. yeah.

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>>51670868
>>51670721
IVAN, CAN I BE TOUCHING ROBUTT?
>NO, IS BOMB
>EVERYTHING IS BOMB

>>51669259
Fist
Additional, smaller fist

Just curious, what's the average point range for a HH game? I bought Prospero for the game itself but I might wanna roll a small beginner's force. I'm certainly not a WAAC guy.

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some interesting rules clarifications supposedly from Bligh at te weekender over on heresy 30k:

http://heresy30k.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/9265-alan-bligh-rules-clarifications/

in light of the comments about rule three, thoughts on houserule of "only models in Base to Base/Base to Hull" may use grenades? seems like a better middle ground and 30k is designed for pre-faq ways of doing things.

>>51671001
It's designed for game of 2000pts or more. Anything smaller than that and you'll find it rather restrictive.

With rules for sons and wolves it is finally time...
Excluding IW, Sallies, Soh, WE, EC, and WB as they're already chosen;

Dubs picks my legion

>>51670956
Lol nope actually doesnt work because Magnus doesnt have the Legiones Astartes(Thousand Sons) special rule. This release seems full of oversights.

>>51671027
this, but:

There's also Zone Mortalis which is designed for small forces, as well as the Victory is Vengeance Kill-Team campaign rules.

ZM is like 1k-1.5k

ViV is 150 points divided among three characters + 200-350 points of normal dudes, purchased at the cost to add models to a unit (which is cheaper than buying the initial models).

You end up with ~700 points of things depending on how you slice it.

>>51671042
Blackshields.

>>51671042
solar auxilia

only axes and tanks

>>51671042
Imperial Fists

>>51671042
Skitarii.

>>51671042
Talons of the Emperor

>>51671096
rerolling, but technically they're secutarii

>>51670794
which is when?

3,4 weeks? Longer?

>>51671042
Beastmen, using the Milita/Warp Cult list.

>>51671111
Uh. I don't really care for mechanicus, and they aren't even marines...

Nice get tho.

>>51671001
2000-2500

The game starts at 1750 and there are variants for smaller games, like Zone Mortalis or Tactical Strike (Kill Team where you create your own team miniature by miniature instead of buying squads) and I believe the strategic raid can also be played at a smaller point level if Im not mistaken.

>>51671042
Blood Angels!

>>51671148
Which book was Tactical Strike in, again?

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>>51662780
Got a new Banner (or whenever this is called) for the /hhg/

Thank >>51669902 for the art.

What do you think.

>>51671042
There is only one option

Night Lords

Ave Dominus Nox

VIII

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>>51671042
Thousand Sons. Warriors of light, guiding humanity forward in the darkness

>>51671042
XIII

>>51671161
rerolling for this

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>>51671165
Book 3.

>>51671042
Dangles with loads of checks

>>51671211
turkey lunch

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>>51671144
anon

look at these models

are they not the fucking shit?

>tfw there's a huge ass mold line on the 360 degree rotatable example

>>51671042
XIV

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>>51671174

Blank background version.

>>51671026
Not hard to find the "I run Spartans/super-heavies and I don't like that some dudes have the ability to wreck my shit" people in that thread.

Here's how you counter melta-bomb spam: Don't take big vehicles.

>>51671213
Danke

>>51671211
It is done. Praise be to sanguinius! Praise to the emperor! I shall see you all upon the walls of Terra!

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>>51671230
MHHGGA version.

>>51671225
Those helmets are pure awesome. I need them but I wouldn't know what to do with them.

>>51671298
Allies? Thallax as one troop, Secutarii in the other.

>>51671298
What do you run?

>>51671291

Fuck off Trumpshitter.

>>51671310
nothing that they would fit on well.
I thought about using them for 40k scions but then I went and bought Kasrkin

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>>51671281
congratulations on being one of the few legions that can use thier 40k kits without much blowback (just make your force contemporary to seige of terra, and file off the blood drops near eyes)

>>51671042
Iron Hands

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>>51671379
>file off the blood drops near eyes
Why?

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Is the Deredeo's Atomatic pavaise any use?
If I had it next to a Thousand Son Raptora Cataphractii Terminator would it get a 2++ since the last +1 isn't coming from the kine shield special rule?

>>51671441
Kine shield cannot buff you past 3++.

If you would get to 2++, you would either not be able to actually get it or you'd lose all the buffs from Kine Shields (which would then mean you probably couldn't get a 2++).

>>51671441
Pavaise is also up to a 3++. so it wouldn't do anything. The save would reach 3++ on one and the other would see it's 3++ and stop working.

>>51671441
No, max is 3.

>>51671042
Thousand Sons

>>51671042
VI

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>>51671441
>This stupid thing again

Even if you would try th timing argument and say "Well the kine shield goes first and then the other buff comes in" that STILL means that because of the kine shield rule the invul. save gets boosted to better than 3++ which is not allowed. Reason : if you remove the buff, it would no longer be a 2++ save, regardless of any stupid 'timing' arguments you try to come up with.

This has been brought up and clarified countless times ever since Mark of Tzeentch did the same thing. I guess people never stop being fucking retards.

>>51671379
>>51671402
hrm, did they retcon that those were supposed to be all in honor of papa angel's demise?