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This 40k Rules Wiki Is Pretty Dope, Actually edition

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>>51581685

>Dank Dweekend Duncan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cA_VKgWzSQ [Open] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]

> 40k reference in wiki format
https://sites.google.com/site/wh40000rules/

>Rules and such. Use Readium for epubs. Sorry, it's shit but it'll read 3s.
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ

>Latest GW teases
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/

>Latest GW attempts to fuck up your list
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Rules-Errata

>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf

>DIS DA WAAAGH ORGANIZA
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>Forge World Book Index:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index

>The Black Library (It's OK, Guilliman borrowed a copy of the Mirrorcodex)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
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Fuck tau, post imperials.
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>>51586907
Xth for get some new Duncan you fucking plebs

Yth for Necronposter needs to git gud
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How many more [Embed]s before the word count I wonder?
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>>51586941
>Fuck eldar, post imperials.

fify ;^)
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>>51586952
>Necronposter needs to git out
FTFY
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>>51586941
Fuck Imperials, post Eldar.
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>>51586952
Duncan only updates on the work week. That's why I've temporarily renamed the section.

I was clearing the embeds out every time I made a thread, but three other threads were made in a row and the last guy just added five extra embeds as a joke. I'm keeping it long so lazy copypasta OPers notice it.
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>>51586992
Fuck Eldar and Imperials gently
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I want to protect guilliman's noble countenance.
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Who else is in currently building a Traitor Legion army?
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>>51586992
>post eldar
More like Aeldari
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>tfw I walk 5 NL terminators with 4 combi-plas and an Autocanon across the field

Fite me
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>>51587042
I've been building a Slaanesh force for some time. The extra rules, relics, and formations are just icing on the cake.
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>>51587063
>not 4 combi-flamers and a heavy flamer

Weak
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>>51587049
Yeah?
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>orks are a melee race!
>i2
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>>51587074
>lmao I posted it again
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>>51587090
Ynnari in one picture. They're even wearing red.

All it needs is Ynnead symbols on the tops.
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>>51587074
>>51587094
>Mom, I posted them again!
You're not even catching anyone with this bait, you're just shitting up the thread.
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>>51587105
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>>51587125
>using cuck non-ironically
Oh, you're from /pol/. That explains everything.
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>>51587121

>>51587125
I'm not mad, I like the whole Aeldari thing, and the Ynnari and all the other new stuff. Though I'm not >>51587095 I am an Aeldari player, so I have an opinion on this.
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>Tfw I started the embedded link chain on accident when I copypasted from the previous general a couple of days ago and didn't notice it

Feels good to impact the community a bit.
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>tfw no combined admech codex until at least fall
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>>51587114
>getting upset by I2
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>>51587114
>>51587139
>gaydar players are STILL mad they got a matching name
BTFO
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
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>>51587141
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>>51587094
How does the rest of this go?
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>>51587042

Finally putting some shit together for my Batmans. I'm a little upset that between two boxes, I can only actually arm one raptor squad with weapons unless I go with flamers or plasma, both of which suck on Raptors. I have one spare melta from my CSM box, and of course they don't even have all their weapon options.

CSM are a fucking mess. I'm ready to face defeat when I open my terminator box.
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Aeldari more like Faildari lmao
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>>51587151
sauce
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>>51587174
Was it something about blitz brigade? I forget how the >melee race stuff started.
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Name for me the best Black Library book you can think of, /40kg/. What do you think is objectively the best book, and what series?
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>>51586466
Official WH40K power rankings including all GW standalone codices and FW armies:

>Elder god tier
-Cheese Marines (Grav spam, Skyhammer, Gladius, etc)
-Space Wolves (see above, plus helfrost etc)
-Craftworld Eldar (it's basically impossible *not* to take cheese with these guys)
-Eldar Corsairs (an entire army of Warp Spiders and Jetbikes)
-War Convocation
>God tier
-Codex: Space Marines CAD without Graviton weaponry
-Tau
-Necrons
-Flyrant spam
-Other AdMech
-Chaos Demons/KDK
-Genestealer Cults?
>Good Tier
-Sisters of Battle
-Imperial Guard/DKoK/Armored Battalion
-Blood Angels
-Traitor Legions
-Renegades and Heretics
-Tyrant's Legion
>Low Tier
-Grey Knights
-Elysian Drop Troops/D-99
>Shit Tier
-Dark Eldar
-Tyranids other than Flyrant spam
>Ork Tier
-Orks
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>>51587173
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>>51587150
That dude got off paying for that right?
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Going to be taking this for some tourneys in my area, if it does well I'll try Ardboyz, Killadelphia, 11th Company and Delawarr


1850 Splinters of Chaos: Luckless Host
The Purge Detachment (Vraks Renegades and Heretics) [Primary Detachment]
HQ
Renegade Command Squad: 1x Arch Demagogue (Ordnance Tyrant, Devotion of Nurgle), 2x Disciples (lasguns), 1x Disciple Autocannon Team

Elites
Renegade Strike Battery: 2x Renegade Wyverns, 2 heavy flamers
Renegade Strike Battery: 2x Renegade Wyverns, 2 heavy flamers

Troops
20x Plague Zombie Mob
21x Plague Zombie Mob

Heavy Support
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training

Fortification
Aegis Defense Line, quad gun

Combined Arms Detachment (Chaos Daemons; Heralds of Anarchic)
HQ
Herald of Tzeentch, Paradox Psyker, ML3
Herald of Tzeentch, Endless Grimoire Psyker, ML1
7X Herald of Tzeentch, ML1

Allied Detachment (Chaos Space Marines; Word Bearers)
HQ
Sorcerer on palanquin, master level 3, spell familiar, bolt pistol, force sword

Troops
5x Chaos Space Marines
Rhino, death of kasyr lutein

Heavy Support
Fire Raptor, 2 reaper autocannon batteries, 4 balefire missiles
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>>51587197
Show me where in the book it says Corsairs can take Warp Spiders.
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>>51587187
>be worst faction
>get memed by fanbase
>get btfo by GW
>get butt-flustered about it
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>>51587197
>>51587216
Show me where it says space yiffs get grav, skyhammer, gladius etc?
You're obviously some memespouting retard with a shit-tier list he found on the internet.
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>>51586907
Nth for monster hunter should become standard for vanquishers

also bonded skeleton should come back and give Tyranids EW and +1 to armour saves just piss all over the tau and eldar Knights
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>>51587216

He's implying Reckless Abandon is the same as Warp Spiders' jump packs. He also forgot a few armies kek
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>>51587150
Source? If true I dont mind since that means it'll be one of the first dexes of eighth and IA14 wont be far behind
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>>51587204
Where are you going to hide those heralds? And what are you using the WC's on?
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>>51587188
>giving the sauce for crops
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>>51587245
But RA is just a worse Battle Focus. I guess that fucknugget really does have no idea what he's talking about.
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>>51587197
>SW that high
Are you stupid? or a stupid newfag?
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>>51587197
cue bootybothered marinefags convinced they're UP
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>>51586741
Chaos Marines desperately need more transport options in general. Loyalists can field dreadnought drop pods or even transport dreads in a stormraven.

I second the obliterators and suggest you look at an allied detachment of daemons as well.
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>>51587259
Please?
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>>51586907
Who here play's epic 40k?
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>>51587275
Orks would trade you some of our transports for something decent to put in them. Drop pods would be nice, too.
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>>51587298

Drop pods were a mistake
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>>51587275
>Drop pod
>Stormraven

We can do both with the Dreadclaw
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>>51587246
Logic. They've got a constant stream of book releases for the next who knows how many months, 8th edition coming in summer. Are they really going to release a new version of a current edition codex 3 months before a new edition?
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>>51587309
Yes. Geedubs is pants-on-head retarded, remember?
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>>51587303
Sometimes it feels like Orks were a mistake. Drop pods would fit right in.
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>>51587320
That's a bit too far even for geedubs
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>>51587275
Had already been planning on some allied Daemons. Mostly just looking for some more long range shooting.

I feel you on the transport thing though.
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>>51587348
Is it, though?

Really, is it?
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Guilliman:make astartes great again
Ynnead : make aeldari gay again
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>>51587261
>Move 6"
>Psyker shoots mind bullets
>Move D6+6"
>Shoot
>Move D6+6"
>Thrust move 2D6"
>Next turn, get assaulted
>Overwatch, then move D6+6" (average 9.5" compared to the average 7" for the unit that declared the assault)
Plus there's the possibility of RotOD dickery, where you shoot a big squad, assault a small squad to avoid getting shot at the next turn, and then hit and run out to do it again the next turn.

Sure, they're not actual Warp Spiders, but even a basic Corsair Reaver Band is every bit as fucked up as a squad of Warp Spiders.
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Ranger Warhost - 200pts
x4 Rangers
x3 War Walkers

Ranger Warhost - 200pts
x4 Rangers
x3 War Walkers

Aspect Warrior Troupe - 375pts
x6 Fire Dragon
x3 Wave Serpent

Aspect Warrior Troupe - 250pts
x6 Swooping Hawk
+ Swooping Hawk Exarch

Aspect Warrior Troupe - 225pts
x6 Dark Reapers

Wind Rider Troupe - 200pts
x6 Vyper

Wind Rider Troupe - 200pts
x6 Vyper

Revenant Titan - 350pts

Total: 2000
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>>51587249
>heralds
Anywhere I can really. Behind terrain, my ADL, rhino and wyverns but it depends.
>WC's
Malefic, to get a blood thirster in play and some more bodies.
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>>51587374
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>>51587380
This is not how Reckless Abandon works at all, and this is coming from an actual Corsair player. Shut the fuck up and go back to wanking your vanilla Marines since that's clearly the only faction you actually know anything about.
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>>51587298
You literally have access to the perfect unit, the embodiment of Orky durability, festooned with highly-destructive weapons and all but impervious to the most powerful enemy munitions.
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>>51587074
>imperial guard
>astar millitarum
it still hurts, i understand eldarbros pain
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>>51587405
Official word from FW is that's exactly how it works: you immediately move after making any shooting attack, regardless of the phase, and no limit on how many times it can occur in a turn.
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Where the fuck am I supposed to get auto canons as CSM?
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>DE are actaully in the top 8 of LVO
>As the lesser partner of a Corsair list
I'll take it
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>>51587441
Care to post some proofs of this """""official""""" FW FAQ? Because all I have ever heard from them in the way of any kind of response is detailed in http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/704325.page#8940097 wherein RA's usage is cleared up to not work that way in the slightest.
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>>51587423
Too bad every other faction can take those "powerful munitions" in spades and nuke it from the other side of the table.

>>51587391
Thanks for reminding me that Revenants cost only 350pts for some reason.
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>>51587446
Post list?
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>>51587446
wasnt it allied CE jetbike spam?
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>>51587364
Yeah, why do you think it's been all supplements for the past 3-4 months.
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>>51587433
>he is still mad
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Putting together a small army for an upcoming Killteam game at my FLGS, what do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PScmRiaZhwk
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>>51587444
chinaman
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>>51587444
This nigga serious?
Hellblades. Havocs. With MoN they get relentless.
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>>51587488
>>51587495
Frankie hasn't posted the list yet, but they got knocked out in the quater finals

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/02/05/the-las-vegas-open-presents-your-top-eight-40k-champs/
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>>51587550

1-800-come-on-now
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>>51587444
LOOK AT FORGE WORLD YOU SILLY NIGGER
LEGION AUTOCANNONS
KALIBRAX AUTOCANNONS
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Returning to the game after a year off. Any suggestions for my list?
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>>51587471
Huh. I was also going by emails from FW (that said you could), which is about as official as you're going to get for a FW 40k rules clarification. I guess it's back to player agreement, then.

Not that it's particularly relevant to anything, it looks like ITC says overwatch allows a Reckless Abandon move for infantry but not jetbikes.
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>>51587633
>Any suggestions for my list?
Orks are fucking terrible
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>>51587633
Ask people to play 1250 point armies against it
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>>51587622

I was hoping to not have to pay a much as a full box of dudes for a handful of guns.
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>>51587665
Already have some of the models.
Don't worry I hear orks are a good melee race.
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>>51587396
>>51587249
Not to mention grimoire and cursed earth malefic power brings your heralds to a 2+ invuln
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>>51587718
>Don't worry I hear orks are a good melee race
I kek'd
God, please let that have been a joke
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>>51587538
Here's mine.
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>ywn be the spookiest night lord of them all
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>>51587828
>ywn be a night lord
feels great, night lords suck dick
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>>51587828

If only there was anything worth giving a pair of claws.
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>>51587538
I run:
1 unit of 15 Termagants, 10 with Devourers, 5 with Flesh Borers
1 unit of 3 Warriors, 1 with Barbed Strangler and Scything Talons, 2 with Devourers and Scything Talons.
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>>51587042
alpha legion reporting in. You know what is awesome? Fucking demon prince with the hydra blade. 6 attacks base +d6 from two weapons, all at ap 2. Then any 6s to hit become more hits. Even at puny str 6 I shrecked a dread that got into him because i missed like 5 melta shots. Hit him like 8 times and 2 of those rend. It is a BEAST in demon prince hands.
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>>51587828
>ywn be despised by your primarch, Emperor, and battle brothers
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>>51587883
The emperor despised all the marines. Thunderwarriors 2.0
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>>51587865
I'm a fan of Terminators with a matching Lord and Sorc, and the Mindveil. I assaulted my way through a guard army from turns 2-5 with that combo
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>>51587042
I'm taking some time off my Dark Eldar and huge army of Dark Elves to work on my Night Lords. I'm stripping the paint from some old models I got years and years ago to repaint.

I even have some of the old raptors, and in metal too. I just need to get some Night Lords helmets. It just doesn't feel right without stupid bat wings.
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>>51587828
no wings on helmet/10
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>>51587781

> Warkopta
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>>51587538

Here's my KT
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>>51587828
>ywn bear the shame of betraying the Emperor and fall out of his favour along with your bastard sire down the path of damnation
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>>51587965

>SoB aren't on the list
>are really good in KT
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>>51587965
It's a 10 all-around skimmer. Don't know why you wouldn't be able to take it.
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>>51587828
>grenades on belt
>pair of lightning claws
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>>51587949
I give my demonprince the sword, then I stick him with 2 chaos lords on bikes, with 4 ablative biker wound guys. Turn one jink shenanigans while I go 3d6 up the field with shrouded. And if they somehow get tied up by a superior unit, just mindveil out of there and shoot that shit. Or heck just assault again for extra attacks or even a hatred reset against marines.
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>>51587968
>ywn never been a disgusting mutant too cowardly to put yourself down. Awoo
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>>51588008
This has got to be bait.
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> All this Killteam talk

I'm interested in playing a KT game sometime. I'm fairly new to 40K in general. Do dedicated transports work the same way in Killteam as they do in the regular game?
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Fellow Chaos fags, how are Your Dudes responding to the happening? Have your Lords answered the call of the Despoiler? Do your fleets and warriors march upon the decaying Imperium? Will you remain in the shadows or prey upon the systems that troops are pulled from in order to defend against the Crusade?
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>>51587828
In soviet Nostramo, boobs grope you!
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>>51588070
Abaddon spawn when?
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>>51587929
>The emperor despised all the marines.
Actually he championed the Ultramarines as his greatest warriors, which made the Word Bearers butthurt enough to fall to chaos.
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>>51588008
Monstrous creatures cannot join other units.
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>>51588070
>Answering the call of the despoiler
>Assisting those who lost the siege with cowardice
>Bending the knee to the Abaddon the eternal jobber
>caring about his crusade
>ishygddt
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>>51587538

Here's another. I hope 7 flamers are enough.
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>>51587042
I considered it, but the rules just don't work right

they finally got access to null deploy, but it requires some 400 points of tax units in order to work at all. And these tax units aren't ObSec either.

If I were, I'd use the deathguard rules but I actually really dislike Nurgle. They have relentless though.
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>>51587042
Still fortifying my Iron Warriors ranks.Picked up my first Heldrake. No idea about how well it'll actually preform, but damn it's a sexy model.
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I've been working on a Genestealer collection, but I still don't have the codex. Anyone have a not shittastic version that doesn't suck ass?
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>>51588197

Your LGS has one, fag
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>>51588012
Did he die?
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>>51588227
no idea
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Hey Night Lord faggot, I found the real Night Lords theme song.
Here are some of them dancing
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Have any of you guys had any luck with Hunter Killer missiles? They seem kinda overpriced for a one shot weapon but if you had 4-5 vehicles and devoted 40-50 points to them it seems like it would be nice to be able to get 4-5 shots off on one of your opponent's heavy weapons on turn 1 from the other side of the board assuming it wasn't fully behind cover.
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>>51587173
What show is this from?
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Not sure if this is the right place, but I've been playing battlefleet gothic armada and I've run into something strange. For some reason, my opponent's fighters stack without limit, allowing him to mass huge hordes of a dozen or so fighter squadrons that make him immune to ordinance. My own fighters don't work the same way. Anyone know what's the deal with that?
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>>51588348
its a meme
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>>51588381
So is what you replied to.
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Anyone know when the next printing of Traitor Legions will be? Or where to find a good pdf of it in the meantime?
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>>51588389
pretending to be retarded was always the best meme
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>>51588070
Abaddon did what we needed him to do; allow us to pass Cadia unimpeded.
Now we don't need him anymore, we'll plunder as we please.
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Where the fuck is the roster creator
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Dissuade me from using two plasma sentinels
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>>51588430
>allow us to pass Cadia unimpeded.
Sadly Abaddon actually removed the one safe path out of the Eye. You're not fucked completely.
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>>51588431
u can't ruse me again
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>>51588431
>>DIS DA WAAAGH ORGANIZA
>https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator


It's like you can't read or something.
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>>51588444
Some days I question why we didn't just stay loyal.
I bet the Imperial Fists don't have to deal with this shit...
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>>51588446
I don't speak football hooligan.
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>>51588457
well all the relevant IF's are dead
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>>51588082
Under rated post.
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What should be my next army GSC or Scions?
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Can someone please explain this?
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>>51588536

Orks
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can you deep strike a raider and assault out of it in the same turn?
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>>51588409
>Being this new to /40kg/
It's okay buddy, you will learn the board specific memes soon.
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>>51588555
Literally my least favorite because of the people that play them
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>>51588070
>The Black Legion gets to invade Macragge
>Not us
If Abaddon dies, then I'm happy.
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>>51588536
Why would you EVER want Scions
Their only unique thing is having access to Taurox Prime and Tauroxes are fugly
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>>51588552
A rubric marine is something like 23 points a model, the aspiring sorcerer is like another 20+ on top of that, and the heavy weapon is even more. So it's not that surprising that a 10 man rubric squad is something like 300ish points. Chaos troops have been stupidly overpriced since 4e.
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>>51588552
Explain what? That it costs 290?
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>>51588536
GSC are much more functional as an army overall, but also require a ton of goddamn models and are gonna take a while to paint as a result(you do play only with painted models, right?)
Scions are tacticool as hell and get flyer support, depend on having a plan that you formulate between deployment and the first turn otherwise you're gonna have a bad time, but when you make it work, it fucking works
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>>51588564
yeah he got me
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>>51588591
>playing only with painted models
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>>51588589
>A rubric marine is something like 23 points a model
Why?

>>51588590
>That it costs 290?
Correct.
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>>51588552
Rubrics are 23 points each, x10 is 230 points.
The aspiring sorcerer is 35 points more expensive than a rubric marine, so that bumps it up to 265 points.
The soulreaper cannon is another 25 points, for 290 total.
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>>51588536
Go GSC or normal guard. Scions shouldn't even qualify as an army.
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>>51588595
>mfw that gif
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>>51588610
>Why?

AP 3 bolters and having a 4+ invuln save. AP 3 is often notoriously overcosted, and the 4+ invuln also doesn't do them as many favors as you'd think for the points.
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>>51588610
A couple of space wolf fanboys wrote Wrath of Magnus and the TSons rules.
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>>51588568
But anon, he got trips, you HAVE to play Orks now...
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>>51588610
> Why?
Because reasons.

Seriously though, see >>51588589
> Chaos troops have been stupidly overpriced since 4e.

GW has wanted CSM to be an elite army for years, so their models cost a ton of points. The problem is that GW also wants CSM models to be individually inferior to their loyalist counterparts, so that you can have a small band of loyalists slaughter hordes of chaos forces. So CSM is stuck with expensive infantry that aren't actually very good, and rely on heavy support and fliers and such to make up for it.
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>>51588633
What show is this?
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>>51588639
> AP 3 is often notoriously overcosted, and the 4+ invuln also doesn't do them as many favors as you'd think for the points.
You just gave me two reasons why they shouldnt cost that much?

>>51588640
Why release new models that will never see play?
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>>51588642
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>>51588672
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>>51588672
How is it like punching yourself in the face? Meme would be better if a boxer with GW's logo on his face was punching another boxer with an orc's head
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>>51587042
Just finished building the last few boxes of Rubrics and new LoC I needed to create a warband in the divine service of the Mad God. Oh how I love magic fuckery!
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>>51588698
They literally hit each other harder than they hit the enemy.
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>>51588708
>Hit each other
>Punching yourself
Meh, I get it, not very well executed.
4/10
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>>51588583
>Black Legions Matter
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>>51587042
Building up my Word Bearers.

the wb legion rules don't even give me any benefits
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>>51588583
Abaddon dying would be the single best thing that could happen for every faction in the game.
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>>51588671
Because AP3 doesn't matter because of the rubric's lack of range. It just makes them more expensive so there aren't enough of them to survive to get close enough to shoot. And 4+ invulnerable is wasted on a T4 model that will probably just get gunned down or blown to bits by volume of high strength fire, rather than a small amount of AP3 weaponry.
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>>51588764
putting him out of his misery would be great
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>>51588764
Demon Prince Abby would be cool.
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So do you think Guilliman will be just be an HQ like the other Imperium triumvirate, or a Lord of War like Magnus?
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>>51588552
what did you use to make this?
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>>51588842
No he must die. Chaos must be redeemed
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>>51588850
If he ain't a Lord of War, the whole system is broken
inb4 the system was already broken
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>Codex: Imperial Agents didn't include rules for Rogue Traders and their retinues
Explain this shit.
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>>51588857

Nah, DP abby would be just the expensive bestseller AoS Archaon model 40k needs.
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>>51588878
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>>51588070
The Heralds of Providence have sent a number of Rubrics, Sorcerers, and Marines in their service to aid the Traitor Legions in the Crusade, but the majority have elected to continue on their own path in worship of the Great Deceiver, mostly in the ways of finding lost knowledge to add to the Great Temple they house their library and confiscating relics for their own use in bringing themselves closer to the Great Truth of Tzeentch.
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>>51588851
He's just really handy with photoshop
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>>51588878
I know you are right but I wish him to be removed from every reality.
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>>51587967
mine
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>>51588563
that would make dark eldar a threat, and we can't have that
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>>51588878
ok so

as much as it pains me to give up T6 rerolled FNP bikes with ObSec I just really feel the need to run termies. I figured they'd be pretty good with extra T and FNP in a land raider deathstar designed to make some poor fuckers get off the objective and then hold it, but what else could be changed to optimize (and how much am I going to regret not going nurgle bike deathstar? it'd been so long since i've seen termies at all)?
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>>51588563
We used to
In 5th
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>>51588935
i figured as much but thought i better check in case i could.
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>>51588962
from this ^


to this
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>>51588864
Bothers me as well, rogue traders on the table has massive your dudes potential
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>>51586907
i have a question.

if i move 12" in movement phase, use rokkit pack in shooting phase, can i then charge 2d6? or do i have to waaagh?
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>>51588752
now hol up
*raids imperial world*
so you be sayin
*sacrifices peasant*
that we
*mutates*
wuz
*lays with daemonette*
chaos n shit?
*starts black crusade*
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>>51588982
You have to waaagh
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>>51588904
I didn't know Abaddon was Megatron
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>>51588962
>>51588978
Setting is shit > Le wrong generation > politics
haha that thread is gold
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>>51589055
It would be ok if he was megatron, but he has to be chaos jesus the neverfail as well. You can't have both.

>who is chaos starscream?
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>>51589080
>who is chaos starscream?

Be'lakor.
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>>51589055

He sure is, and Ahriman is Skeletor with BL as his Castle Grayskull.
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>>51587042
Thousand Sons and Word Bearers. Because I don't use psychic stuff much in my Imperial stuff and wanted to try something different.
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>>51588672
Hes all fired up
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>>51589098
>Be'lakor.
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I'm gonna be fighting MEQs in a semi-competitive scene
How hard will I get butt-raped
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>>51589151
Wasn't him though. Fantasy Be'lakor can't be hurt physically by mundane things and he cannot exit through Warp portals. Also Be'lakor alone would have killed the Lizardman army including the Slaan leading it.

Also Be'lakor voted top villain of WHFB. Eat it Nagash.
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>>51589080
Eliphas is
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>>51589180
>Wasn't him though.

A FUCKING ROCK

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So what's the deal with Ynnead?
is there actually a new god now? doesnt a new god usually cause a big shockwave in the warp? wouldnt the chaos gods try to devour him/it?
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>>51589194
Nope. Rocks can't hurt shadow.

And shadows cannot enter portals.
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>>51589205
Flicker of consciousness, forms an Avatar and uses the Ynnari Eldar to feed it souls to make it stronger.
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>>51589205
Ynnead isn't sleeping in the Warp. It's sleeping in the infinity circuits.

A single shard of him manifested in a vessel when they blew up Craftworld Ball-Tan.
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>>51589229
So whereas the chaos gods have lots of avatars, Ynnead only has the one?
What happends if it dies?
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>>51589205
Its slaanesh with a mask on. Look at the model. Eldar are fucked.
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>>51589238
I actually theorized Ynnead was gonna burst out of Slaanesh's chest. Seems appropriate with how they wrote her out of WHFB
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>>51589237
It can pop up wherever Eldar die, apparently, so it's a permanent thing, it dies, it dissapears for a while, then can be brought back. (Not suring the same game obviously).
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>>51587246
>If true I dont mind since that means it'll be one of the first dexes of eighth
>Wanting this. Ever
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>>51589237
My god you are dumb.

Ynnead is still sleeping. Only a shard of him is awake and seeking to awaken the rest. Once Ynnead awaken, we can see what they means.
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>>51589248
That would be sad for slaanesh but also funny

Everyone is saying ynnead is its own thing, a real god. Yet slaanesh wants to kill every last eldar and drink all their souls. And what does ynnead want to do? Literally the exact same thing. Ynnead eldar are the greatest useful idiots of all time.

>Sure I will destroy slaanesh. All of you have to die though.

>What, then what is the point?

>You can reincarnate again, nevermind their will be no bodies to reincarnate too. So take this knife and commit sudoku
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>>51589314
it's got great potential for infighting though. Imagine the Eldar who just want Slaanesh to be dead over everything else going around killing their fellow Eldar. Be they exodite, craftworld or dark eldar.
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>>51589326
I suspect many current eldar players dislike ynnead. So grognards vs nooblets
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>>51587538
i just run ten tankbustaz in a trukk, driving around at high speeds and shitting rockets at everyone
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>>51589345
Id like it more if there was more to it than a few commander units allowing player to use both factions's models. I would've liked to have seen units dedicated to Ynnead like the Harlequins.
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>>51589362
true that would be better. But ynnead is a cult, so I guess the eldar just paint themselves red and they are good to go.
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>>51589314
Ynnead is in a way older than Slaanesh since it was sleeping ever since the Eldar were created. It wasn't born yet because there as no need for it since the Eldar naturally reincarnated on their own.

With the birth of Slaanesh, his dark and twisted sisters,Ynnead finally gained purpose and a reason to be born. He must restore the cycle of reincarnation. Eldar who fall to Slaaneesh's hunger are trapped forever in her domain to be tortured forever. Ynnead spins Eldar souls in a cycle of death and rebirth. Taking their departed souls and birthing them to a new life/existence. Currently the cycle is corrupted due to Ynnead to being fully awaken but once he awakes, everything will be restored and the Eldar will no longer fear Slaanesh.
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>>51589378
Who will be left? how many eldar are alive when ynnead fully awakens?
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is killteam 200 or 2650 pts?
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>>51589423
is killteam 2650 or 200 pts?
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>>51589390
Ynnead doesn't require all Eldar to die anymore. They just need to gather a set of sword and he will awaken.

The few Eldar that are left will bear the responsibility of fucking like rabbits in order for the Eldar souls to be reincarnated.
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>>51589432
200 or 250?
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>>51589370
that doesnt really work for me with how the paths esspecially for the craftworld work.
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>>51589435
yeah
long day
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>>51589423

Official is 200

Over complicated house rules is 250
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>>51589433

Not how it works. Eldar were gifted their mental powers from their main god. A side effect is slower breeding.
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>>51589433
Well I am still skeptical. But I guess

>>51589443
I think the idea is that sexy foot corset woman or the red armored knife ear dude turn up at various eldar locales. And like pied pipers they trick eldar into joining and dying for them. Whats the life expectancy of a ynnead grunt, 24hours?

I'm still salty the coolest craftworld had to suffer for this shit. Fuck alaitoc or ulthwe instead
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>>51589171
protect your HWTs, they always go underestimated until they put three lascannon rounds through some deepstriking dreadnaught.

hows my killteam look, for going against an ig/wolf mix
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Shit I'm way behind on the releases. I didn't know they were releasing rules for Ulthwe Black Guardians. That's pretty exciting, at least to me.
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>>51589433
>fucking like rabbits
What happens when they fuck Slaanesh into existence again?
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>>51589509
Guilliman soon, Battle Brother.
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Slaaneshi-worshipping Noise Marines deep-strike to the surface of Holy Cadia, assisting in Abaddons siege of the fortress world.
-Fall of Cadia, m39
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>>51587042
I'm probably going to get raped on table but I'm building a Thousand Sons force. Building Magnus at the moment mostly as a display piece. Have some daemons and rubrics coming in soon. Kinda want to see how bad or how successful an exalted sorcerer focused list will go compared to a "normal" 1ksons list though
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>>51589511
Slaanesh's is so eldar even she reincarnates kek
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>>51589514
Screw Gulliman, I want an army comprised of a dying race in 5+ armor!
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>>51589482
>Eldar were gifted their mental powers from their main god. A side effect is slower breeding.

Not canon. Warhammer wiki made it up.
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Do you guys own any 40k shirts? I was thinking about getting the Catachan training one because I think it's a good mixture of /fit/ and /tg/
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>>51589548
Yeah, everyone knows slower breeding is caused by them being elfs, and elfs have no cocks.
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>>51589572
Would maybe get a subtle one personally.
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>>51589572
>the Catachan training one

link
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>>51589588
I saw Duncan wearing it in one of his videos.
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>>51589572
I was thinking of having one printed with an Aquila over the chest, on the left side.
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>>51589600
do you mean this? I like it, i like it a lot, but I have problems wearing anything vaguely military-looking because someone might confuse me for an actual army soldier and then I'd have to explain it's from little plastic spacemen
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>>51589495
Hell hounds have a total armour of 34
so illegal that how it looks
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>>51589623
>tfw I wear flecktarn casually and don't even care
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>>51589586
Maybe if you're around normalfags, I lift at home so no problems for me.
>>51589621
That sounds pretty cool.
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>>51589623
Where the fuck do you live? unless you look like a military type, which you dont, because you are a fat neckbeard, no one will
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>>51589629
fuck

thanks
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>>51589650
Oh yeah your getting this as lifting shirt huh. Go for it dude.
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>>51589671
I will. Thanks m8
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>>51589692
A catachan deadlift requires someone to actually die.
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>>51589720
and they have to be lifted to an extraction zone no closer than 10km, through hostile territory
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>>51589720
kek
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>>51589659
>which you dont, because you are a fat neckbeard
i'm not though :(
>Where the fuck do you live?
australia, don't have nearly the same army culture as america so I don't want to look like a wanker

>>51589720
don't get me started on catachan skullcrushers or face pulls
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>>51589734
I am a brit, people just dont randomly talk to each other here.Maybe its a convict thing?
DW, we are all fat neckbeards on /tg/even if you are not IRL
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>>51589734
i dont think anyone with warhammer physique is going to be mistaken as a member of the armed forces
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>>51589753
alright fuck it i'll order the damn thing it looks great

speaking of catachan, any good third party sources for stern looking male faces because the default heads are shite
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>>51589757
I actually spoke to a couple of guys at one of my flgs' that were both very in shape. They talked about.... i want to say playing soccer but I forgot, as they were leaving. One of them is in the coast guard. One was khorne marines and demons and coast guard guy was Orks.
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>>51589757
My rugby team's 120 kg prop (not old fashioned beer belly prop either, powerlifter style muscle prop) plays space wolves.
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>>51589854
Does he have a beard and drink mead?
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>>51587197
>Low tier
>D-99/elysians
I take great offence to that, in fact, I am fucking seething with rage that you would say that.
1850 point list, 6 valkyries deep striking turn one, 9 valkyries total, if your not list tailoring you're fucked beyond high hell.
I have never lost a game as d-99 to non tailored tau/eldar lists, fuck right off with that bs and learn yoru fucking facts about elysians.
Elysian are best Guard, HOORAH!!!
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>>51589757

> warhammer physique

Made me laugh.

There are only three dudes in my local meta who are actually fat fucks though. One guy is chubby and short, I'm chubby and tall, and there's one guy who is fat as fatass and has a huge beard.

I feel like I'm sort of on the cusp right now of whether I'm going to be a fat fuck for the rest of my life or whether I'm going to get my shit together and start working out. Maybe I should buy a treadmill and a weightbench and frame a picture of the Emperor on the wall in front of it so I can lose weight and get big like he is.
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>>51587197
>Elder god tier
>not Eldar god tier

also death guard is god tier
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>>51589879
work out nigga
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>>51589879
Don't start working out. Only idiots and jocks work out.
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>>51589757
You know how the tau have the weaboo meme?
Well, I play tau and I workout regularly, watched anime once but didn't get too interested. The other tau player is a bodybuilder who is so massive he barely fits into the store (our store is fucking tiny).
Ironically, the knights player is fat, ork player is anorexic (and a weaboo) and csm player (also a weaboo) has a bmi of 35.
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Spot the /tg/ posters attending Forge World Weekender.
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>>51589906
Wew lad
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>>51589828
Maybe use the scion heads with the beret. Not sure if that would work though.
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>>51589912

I bet that room smells awful. Lol at the one woman in the front row.

Doesn't matter whether you're male, female, fat, or thin, if you post on /tg/ than you're a fa/tg/uy
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>>51589879
Get a picture of Iron hand straken
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>>51589879
>Maybe I should buy a treadmill and a weightbench and frame a picture of the Emperor on the wall in front of it so I can lose weight and get big like he is.

don't buy a treadmill, there is literally no fucking reason to run on a treadmill instead of outside besides softer footfalls, they're just fucking stupid really. weight training and eating less loses you weight far far faster than cardio does anyway. go find a super simple beginner routine, Stronglifts 5x5 is probably the best one.

>>51589906
don't listen to this crab in a bucket. physical fitness helps improve mental fitness.
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>>51589945
>don't listen to this crab in a bucket

WAT
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>>51589945
Just because I'm suicidal depressive doesn't make people who go to gyms any less retarded!
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Reposting because helping new players is a nice thing to do: New AdMech player here without even a single game played yet. So far I have a Start Collecting Skitarii set, the Eradication Cohort and an extra Tech-Priest and box of Skitarii.
Was going to assemble my Skitarii as 15× Vanguard, 5x Ranger but I'm not sure what to do with the Kataphrons, Sicarians and Ironstrider.
My starting games are probably all going to be at 850 points to start slow and steady and I'm sure I'll have to buy some more stuff eventually (most notably another Kataphron squad) but what kind of list would be good for now?

Was considering either a Dominus Maniple + Skitarii Maniple list or a Grand Convocation (maybe picking up an Enginseer as a cheap HQ) or either Holy Requisitioner or Elimination Maniple + Skitarii Maniple (after buying a second Kataphron unit).

TL;DR AdMech newfag needs some list advice and which unit variations he should assemble
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>>51587159
You know that yelling it again and again doesn't convince anyone outside of your containment board.
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>>51589868
They're way too expensive for what they are. Taking massed flyers isn't anything special and I'd argue that CSM and Tyranids do it better.
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>>51589220
>Chaos faggots actually believe this

A FUCKING ROCK

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>>51589953
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
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>>51589945

I spend all of my money on 40K figures and all of my time working and can't afford the time or money required for a gym membership, is there any recommended bodyweight routines I could start with?

I should probably take this to /fit/ but fuck it bear with me here
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>>51589980
Go to /fit/ you fuck
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>>51589964
war convo is op, build into that.
I am not an admech/skitarri player, but I have challenging games against war convo, beware it is kind of cheese.
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>>51589980
https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/

/fit/ will tell you to lift.
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>>51589971
yeah but can they deep strike turn one?
also 130 point vendettas, 100 point valkryies.
Not too expensive for what they are, they fuck up the cheese tau/eldar lists in my local store since unless they tailor, which they don't since their not complete cunts.
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>>51589994
Thanks, was gonna build up to that eventually already. Currently trying to convince a friend to take the second Knight from the Renegade set to get them cheaper.

Was more concerned with point ranges below War Convo, since those aren't as cookie-cutter.
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>>51589995

I fucking hate reddit but I'll brave the shitshow and see what I can find. Thank you for the info. I wonder if I could get the other guys in my meta to start a program with me.

Speaking of big, what's the largest point game any of you guys have ever played in? I've heard of enormous apocalypse games running 50,000 points of more
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>>51590018
Just read the sidebar shit, the recommended routine. No need to read posts.
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>>51590008
The flyers aren't excessively expensive, but the units you'd be using if you weren't a cheesing asshole are. Taking all flyers or all land raiders or green tide is stupid cheesy shit that banks everything on your opponent not bringing enough skyfire/melta/templates to the game. Either they won't be able to hurt you while you prance around and curbstomp them, or they'll table you turn one. There's no room in there for a game worth playing.
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>>51589980
>is there any recommended bodyweight routines I could start with?
yes actually, I started with bodyweight for a similar reason as well as social anxiety. the important thing with bodyweight is not to fall into the trap of doing something like 100 pushups and crunches every day because the mechanism that builds strength is "progressive overload" - you have to do the equivalent of lifting 10kg, then 15kg, then 20kg, only utilising your body, by increasing angles that increase resistance. http://www.startbodyweight.com/ is quite a good routine.
>I should probably take this to /fit/
/fit/ for the most part will not help beginners. reddit's bodyweight page is actually very good because it's smaller than the rest of the pages, less shitposting.

do it for kharn, anon.

>>51589935
those look nice, but almost too elite for catachan. I was thinking of doing the "run catachan as GSC" thing but literally swapping out the comical outdated catachan heads for GSC heads - which also kind of runs with the AvP/Rambo parody that is Catachan.

unforunately the only way you can get the GSC neophyte upgrade sprue besides chinaman is with a box of Cadians as well. Maybe I'll find someone who plays Cadians and we can split it, but right now I don't know a single Cadian player.
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>>51589945
Strength training WILL lose you fat faster, cardio is better for your overall health. If you just want to look good, go ahead and lift some weights three or four times a week. If you want to climb a flight of stairs and not be completely gassed, just jog 30 minutes a day at your own pace. Treadmill or outside, it's both the same. What ever gets you moving.
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>>51590057
Yeah I reckon you should do both

it's also why you should not ask /fit/

their idol is a man who died of a heart attack at 21 because he never did any cardio
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>>51590018
>heard of
Pretty sure there's games from Apocalypticon with 100k and up and a few dozen players on each side.

Me myself, 1500 in Tabletop Simulator. 850 in person.
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>>51589995
>https://www.reddit.com
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You dumb jive turkeys act like working out is this huge deal and takes a ton of time. You can do that shit easy with barely any time or effort involved other than actually pushing out the last couple reps per set. All that means is that you will have to do it for a few years instead of a few months to see big gains.

The most important thing is consistency, diet, and rest. You don't need a gym to get big, it just makes it easy and fast.
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>>51590017
well i'd love to help, but I am but a tau/d-99 player, I run flyer spam/air superiority lists.
>>51590043
Well tauroses are shit, drop sentinels are shit. Cyclops are shit, vultures don't have deep strike, I prefer d-99 honestly since less models and executioner squads remove MCs/vehicles. You can still cheese d-99 with no flyers. Run 2 CADS with 6 executioner squads and 6 long range ground scanners and you'll fuck up lots of things even without flyers, chuck in several bolter turrets and there you have it, remove 3 vehicles a turn, remove an MC a turn.
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>>51589945
>don't listen to this crab

U WOT M8

FUKKEN SAY THAT TO MY FOOKEN FACE YOU FUKKEN CUNT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz6kKLcFDL8
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Is Army Painter spray more humidity resilient than GW spray? Have a wall of Necrons and Guard to paint but I can probably safely forget using the GW sprays at 70% and way up humidity.

Also, is Leadbelcher-equivalent spray worth getting for stuff like Guard with metallic armor plates or Skitarii or should I prime them in black and save myself the money on silver spray?
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>>51590048
https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=9_10

Out of boredom I had a look around. The bald and mohawk is probably your best bet.
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forgot pic
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>>51589980
Try Jacked and tan 2.0 if you want fucking HEUG GAINZ.

Divides your exercises into 3 tiers of effort/rep range.

Eat like a muthafucka, praise the Emperor and drink protein after lifting.
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>>51590070
He might never have done cardio, but he also did lots of drugs, both recreational and preformance enhancing, that contributed to his early demise. But never mind that, think about how AESTHETIC you could be in your casket!
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>>51590081
>This codex is strong despite nearly all of the units being shit because there's a couple of ways to build cheese lists
That's not how this works.
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>>51590168
yes it is...

a codex is as strong as it's strongest parts
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>>51590120

Yes it is, but it's still a spray paint. I wouldn't push past 55%, 65% max. I feel confident enough to spray at 50% with AP whereas other brands I would never spray unless it's a bone dry 45% or below.

Army Painter also dries extremely fast, so much so that it can dry in mid air if you hold it too far away. I'm betting this is why it's humidity resistant: it doesn't stay wet long enough for humidity to fuck it.
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>>51590100

> Swimming in water so deep you can't see the bottom
> In the ocean
> Where you are back in the food chain

fukkin NOPE
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>>51587538
I think they can't fit in the trukk
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>>51590202
>being scared of the ocean
>being scared of jellyfish
>being scared of sharks
>not scared of other drivers on the road
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>>51590168
It's not nearly all the units.
Out of 10 or 11 units, 3 or 4 are useless/sub-par.
Command squad is good
All the elite units are good
Troops are good
dedicated transport is good
Fast attack has 1 good choice out of 3, other 2 are shit
Heavy support has 1 good choice, 2 situational choices.
So altogether you have 2 unusable units, 2 situational units and a whole group of good/cheese units.
I'd say that D-99 is one of the strongest codexes in 40k for untailored matches, especially good at putting war convo/tau/eldar/marines/deamons back in their place as they're unprepared for the flying rape that is d-99/elysians. At my local tourneys I usually roll the cheesemongers which makes others happy, since those guys are powergamers. As for me, I run a more casual tau list for most games, d-99 reserved for when I'm feeling waac.
>>51590178
He is right, Eldar is judged for bike/wraith spam, tau is judged for riptide wings, admech/skitarii is judged on war convo, sm is judged on gladius/grav/skyhammer, daemons are judged on something else. When you are up at top tier, you are judged for your cheese, otherwise you're ignored.
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Any opinions on the Battle for Vedros set?

My girlfriend's little brother is going to be staying with us for a while and he thinks my Space Marines are "awesome". I'm thinking of picking up the starter set so we could play together without having to spend a ton of money on a Start Collecting box.
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>>51590362
>My girlfriend
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>>51590178
I guess Tyranids are tippity-top tier despite only having one usable unit in the entire codex, then.

>>51590335
It's a mediocre codex that's carried by a special rule that lets it start a bunch of fliers on the table. The only way to compete with that is with an army that couldn't put up a meaningful fight against basically any other army in the game. Would it make you feel better if Elysian flier spam was put next to flyrant spam?
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>>51590423

> Guard, Skitarii, the Inquisition, and a Knight all allying up

Damn it feels good to be an imperial
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>>51590422
Well elysian flyer spam is the only way to play elysian.
Ignoring the special rule is like ignoring formations for tau/sm and bikes for eldar.
It should be equal to flyrant spam, yes because it is the way elysians are meant to be played.
So yes, I would feel better, thank you very much.
Also, most elysian units are good, all codexes have dud units, but elysians/d-99 have majority good/cheese units.
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>>51590448
>implying you shouldn't ignore formations
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>>51590422
they aren't because tyranids aren't tippidy top tier even with flyrants they're like middling
>>51590335
>He is right, Eldar is judged for bike/wraith spam, tau is judged for riptide wings, admech/skitarii is judged on war convo, sm is judged on gladius/grav/skyhammer, daemons are judged on something else
yeah they are, if you're talking about "tiers" you're talking about competitive play and if you're talking about competitive play you're talking about the best you can bring

looking at a competitive game as an analogy: if you took two laypeople and got them to play SC: Brood War against each other and they just slapped their hands against the keyboard and built whatever and one was playing zerg and one was playing Terran, the terran player would probably win because in general terran units are more catch-all and he'll just beat the zerg.

but to suggest that terran (tau) are not evenly balanced with zerg (scatspamming eldar) because of it is rediculous, because why would you bring anything but the best if you're both trying to win?
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>>51590448
Did you notice how the list you're getting all upset over actually does have SM formations separated from CADs and flyrant spam separated from nids? And Eldar aren't overpowered because of bikes. They're overpowered because of bikes and S:D weapons and warp spiders and wave serpents and wraithknights, etc, etc, etc.
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>>51589980

This

Anyone else here find that since they started doing Warhammer again their fitness has gone way down?

In my very little free time off work I would spend working out, since I got back into warhammer I spend that time painting instead. I have a gut and my muscles have atrophied.

Life is struggle
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>>51590468
>eldar god tier
>SM Gladius/Skyhammer
>War convocation
Why is this on the list then?
Your argument is invalid.
Elysians are god-tier, face it. Your standard list would be smashed by my d-99 list.
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>>51590446
The Emperor protects
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>>51590509
where are elysians in tournaments then

no really, i'm actually kind of intrigued to see how your list plays, going all-in on something most "take all comers" lists can't handle seems like an interesting idea
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>>51590500
As I mentioned, the entire strategy of elysians/d-99 is flyer spam, everything is centred around it, so to say it is a strategy is to get angry at a farsight player for using crisis suits as troops, it is there for a reason and is what the army is based around, to ignore it is to be retarded and not know how to play the game.
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>>51590522
>going all-in on something most "take all comers" lists can't handle seems like an interesting idea

It's cheesy and if you do it anywhere outside a tournament you'll lose friends and people will stop playing you. Like flyrant spam, it will work once, maybe, and then everyone and their dog will know there's this loophole and all armies will start being centered around anti-flier, or fliers. Which was the state of the meta when fliers were first introduced and shit like the Aegis Defense Line with the quadgun were taken.

Look where they are now. Nowhere. You don't see d-99 at tournaments for the exact same reason: it's a cheesy tactic that doesn't even work.
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>>51590522
They are an expensive AF FW army that hasn't had an update since IA4 2nd edition. Also in tournaments idk what Astra militarum incorporates, is it elysians, is it dkok, is it tempestus, is is armoured brigaide, is it renegades, idk.
Here is my list btw, the balanced once I use most of the time
Vet squads screen executioner squads from blobs/melee squads while they go around eating MCs/vehicles. Sky talons eat blobs while other valks go for armour/MCs. Turrets get dropped in sentry mode to fuck up whatever needs to be fuked up.
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>>51590522
Basically, you'll get rekt if someone is playing AdMech with max gravcannons or plays two Deredeo dreadnoughts or has Coteaz in a squad with skyfire or something, but otherwise you have 1200+ points of worth of models that can only be hit on a 6 and can never be assaulted. It's not that complicated.
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>>51590582
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm really confused at these self-contradictory views that /40kg/ has over constantly asking which list is the best etc, saying certain factions are bad etc, but also hating tournaments and everything "WAAC". If you're fucking around with cool fluffy armies then you're not really playing to win. If you're playing to win, you're probably not running a force 90% comprised of Kommandos. You can't have both. You get one or the other, /tg/.

If you're a human being, and your opponent is a human being, it's a SUPER simple deal just to ask beforehand what kind of match they're after and then not playing if they want a competitive match and you don't, or vise versa.
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>>51590594
>in tournaments idk what Astra militarum incorporates, is it elysians, is it dkok, is it tempestus, is is armoured brigaide, is it renegades
What is this supposed to mean? Astra Militarum is Codex: Astra Militarum. Everything else is not.
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>>51590508

No, because I don't do hobby stuff as much as I'd like to, and fitness is so largely lifestyle/passive based I don't have to make compromises. You don't work out for several hours every day of the week unless you're a roided up bodybuilder fag. Normal people can get by and still see gains with just 5-30 minutes a day, 3-5 days a week.
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>>51590634
Oh ok, thought it was like a general cover for all supplements like tau is for FSE. Never seen FSE on tourney lists, even though 9 model riptide wings is part of it.
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>>51590522
No quality ObSec
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>>51590648
Yeah, that is the only issue, though IA14 will hopefully update them, they will? R-right g-guys?
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>>51590630
But why else would anyone claim that >>51590594
is "good", other than fucking Carnac of all people? It's terrible in a tournament and made purely to annoy outside of that setting.

My point stays: thanks to fucking awful rules and FW not updating that shit for a billion editions the only thing this list is good for is "ahahaha you can't hit any of my shit lel XD" which is funny maybe the first time? Maybe?

But seriously, it will do nothing but annoy people. It will lose you tournaments and even casual games unless you run against the fluffiest of foot lists. It's just fucking annoying to play against because the game will drag until you're tired of living.
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>>51590630
There's a difference between optimizing a list and specifically picking a list because it's a rock and you don't see many scissors around.

If you can look at both lists beforehand and identify the winner without playing the game, there's no point in playing. If you can see both lists beforehand and think "I dunno, I guess it'll come down to skill and luck," then it's worth putting in a bit of optimization to get a little extra edge.
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>>51590664
>lose tournaments
Ahahahahaha, I fucking love rolling people with 9 man melta squads jumping out and popping shit.
>>51590669
All the games I play as d-99 have no optimisation/picking, I just run the same shit all game. Also, I had carnac written for the lols when I made the thread 2 days ago, forgot to remove it, kek.
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Why would you expect EDT to do good when they're literally AM but worse due to specializing in all the shit AM is the worst in, like vets and mobility.

Chaos Renegades focus on what AM is good at, like bodies and artillery, and they're actually a competitive army.
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>>51590677
Different dude but
> I just run the same shit
Doesn't that ever get boring?
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How do I play dark eldar?
What AT unit is da best?
Sorry for being so basic but I don't know how else to ask
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>>51590677
>Ahahahahaha, I fucking love rolling people with 9 man melta squads jumping out and popping shit.
Yeah, which is exactly what SoB have been doing all this time, and now that they even have Celestine they're winning tournaments left and right.

By the way I hope you have a metric fuckton of reserve manipulation and turn 1 shenanigans.
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>>51590645
Farsight Enclaves is a supplement for Codex: Tau. Codex: Militarum Tempestus is a codex in its own right. That said, it's a codex that struggles to field an entire army on its own, so while you could see an MT army, you typically won't.
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>>51590695

>Going fast
>Haywire scourges
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>>51590695
>You're playing an army of obisidon scapels - you are unreally brittle but do great focus fire
>At higher points CCS is your friend
>Start at 1k
Feel free to use my list
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>>51590695
>How do I play dark eldar?

They're glass cannons with the emphasis on the glass, not so much the cannons.

Your dudes have a 6+ save, and your transports are AV10.

>What AT unit is da best?
Scourges with Haywire or Trueborn with Blasters
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>>51590677
>All the games I play as d-99 have no optimisation/picking
Yes, because that's an example of picking an army because you know it can't lose to anyone that could win against anyone but you. I guarantee you that I can look at any opponent's army list and tell you with >99% certainty whether you will win or lose the game. What's the fucking point? Why not just call it a win before you even start so you can save yourself the time?
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>>51590743
And the point is that the most basic SM drop pod army will table him turn 1.

It's just sad. Why even make an army like that? Accept that it was a quirky FW piece of shit from three editions ago and give up this pretense that it's "good" or "fun".
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Thoughts on Conclave of the Burning One? Overpriced shit or stunning retard magnet?
I ran one at my FLGS club championship last year and got like 8th out of 36 with it+Decurion, wondering how successful it is elsewhere
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>>51590695
Just take Corsairs. They're Dark Eldar that aren't shit. Just remember:
>Always take jetpacks (or bikes)
>Never take heavy mesh armor (you already get it for free with the bike/jetpack)
>Don't forget your D6+6" movement after shooting
>Reaper of the Outer Dark lets your army assault a different unit than the one you shot at, the rest of the Prince bonuses are trash
You really can't go wrong with them.
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>>51590659
They will still be expensive t3 units.
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>>51590695
Check LVO lists. Deldar player got into top9.
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>>51590759
Elysians get a version of the drop pod assault rule that lets them bring in half their Valkyries on the first turn, so they're immune to alpha strikes. It's just a matter of "Does your opponent have meaningful amounts of skyfire? (yes/no)"
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>>51590808
Amount of skyfire is almost irrelevant when playing against Elysians. Combat Drop happens so that that all those flyers are hovering and after that they are just Valkyries. Random small amounts of multilasers, one-use krak missiles and maybe bs3 lascannons wont really wreck any good army's battleplans.
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>>51590876
But I must admit that Company Command Squad with 4x Long Range Scanners is a nifty unit. -4 to your enemies reserves gimps reserve tactics and 4x4+ rolls pretty much prevents infiltration completely (and GSC 1st turn alpha).

Its a good unit to have since Elysians can whip out nasty amounts of alpha.

Shame they cant win againt Tau, ever.
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> Start Collecting! Sisters of Battle
> A Connoness
> Unit of Battle Sisters
> Immolator

Why haven't you done this, GW?

Celestine's release and the Fall of Cadia was the perfect time to drop plastic SOB but you fuckers dropped the ball.

Just melt down all of the metal ones you have in the storehouse and start fresh, no one is buying them anyway.
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>>51590896
>Celestine's release and the Fall of Cadia was the perfect time to drop plastic SOB but you fuckers dropped the ball.
There has been rumours that because of almost insane popularity of Canoness Veridya and Celestine, they are pushing out Sisters of Battle. "It might take a year but they are still doing it now" was the quote.

And I say insane because no one ever predicted that Canoness Veridya would be sold out instantly and then after second round would do that againt. It was sold out for complete 2 weeks in a row.
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>>51590896
C:IA was the perfect time for plastic sisters. Even if it's just a Battle Sister/Retributor kit and nothing else.
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>>51590939
I'd've love a decoration sized one.
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>>51590896
I kinda want to buy metal sisters because I really like metal models, but the monopose turns me off bigtime
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>>51589171
HWS are too vunerable to be viable imo. T3 means they just get insta-killed all the time. Putting HWT in your infantry squads keeps them safer and a big blob can conga line and move around without moving the heavy weapons.
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>>51590939

Makes sense. If they're sculpting new models it'll take a while to design, approve, make test units of, and finally manufacture a starting inventory I guess.
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>>51589360
Why are tankbusters considered playable? I don't understand what isn't shit about them.
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>>51589757
It seems like all the players at my store are fucking Marines or former Marines. Makes sense since we're right next to Camp Pendleton
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>>51591009

The guy runs them because he likes driving around at high speeds shitting rockets on everyone.

Orks are a fluff race and Ork players like having fun. If you get into them expecting waac tactics you will just end up being confused
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>>51591009
They are quite cheap when you consider that everyone sports a krak missile launcher and tank hunter.

But also consider that we are talking Ork codex here. The whole codex lacks reliable heavy anti-armour and 3x10 tankbustas were good at it. Now there are more than slightly worse since only one of them can clamp a bomb in melee.
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>>51590791
>just play this totally different army!
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>>51591037

This is what depresses me playing Necrons.

Our fluffiest formation, that represents the actual Necron chain of command...is the Decurion. The byword for bullshit cheese formations.
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>>51591115
>>just play this totally different army!

it's basically the same army, most people even use dark eldar to proxy corsairs
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>>51591137
How do Corsairs help me play a Wych cult backed by haemunculi who use make new pit fighters out of their victims?
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>>51591130
Decurion by itself is not bullshit cheese. Canoptek Harvest within Decurion is cheese. And when you make it Orikanstar then it becomes bullshit cheese.

Remember that Nurgle too gets decurion with 4+ FNP.
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>>51591165
at that point you should probably give up on any hope of a viable army and just make the fluffiest army you can because Wyches are legitimately a member of the bottom percentile units in the game
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Is it better to deepstrike scourges with haywire blasters or to move up the board jumping from cover and shooting? 24" guns
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>>51589511

Sex for the purpose of recreation isn't excess you twelve year old.
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>>51591167
Yeah but chaos was one of the worst armies in the game before their decurion, necrons were decent.
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>>51591199
Depends if you get first deployment or not.

Or at the very least have some LoS blocking cover.
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>>51591167
>Remember that Nurgle too gets decurion with 4+ FNP.
Swing and a miss. Better luck next time.
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>>51590939
why wouldnt they expect sisters of battle to be popular?

doesnt everyone like sisters?
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>>51591165
Ignoring it's cost, how effective is a liquifier vs MEQ? With a 50% chance for ap3 how many marines will two s3 flamers melt in overwatch?
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>>51591230
They sent an email out to managers saying they had no idea it would be popular.
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>>51591130
AdMech is also under the same situation, except that they at least have several different fluffy formations, reaching from "broken cheese bullshit" down to "better off running the basic detachments and CADs".
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>>51591230
At this point i'm so tired of sister players complaining about being in metal that i dont want plastic sisters on the pure basis to spite them
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>>51591224
I stand corrected. I only remembered that "1" was mentioned in the rule and my brain somehow fixed it into +1.
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>>51591288
You should try some compassion sometimes Anon. Its great feeling to be happy for other people.
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The beautiful part of not playing with a fixed list, owning more than I need to play and mixing it up week to week is that I can play lists based on random whim against normal players, and tailor on the fly against WAAC guys who turn up with a netlist tourney build.

Flying circus/Flyrant spam? Neato lemme just take 1100 points worth of Skyfire in a 2000 point list and high volume of fire troops.
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Grand Convocation and Conclave Aqcuisitorius have their Special Rules switched around.

Did I fix them?
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>>51589906
This is untrue
>T. /fit/ PhD student
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Alright, /tg/, let's play a game of Herohammer.

One generic, legal-to-field HQ, no support, just the HQ, maximum killing. What've you got?

Hard mode: No Smashfucker variants

Necron Overlord
>Warscythe
>Gauntlet of Fire
>Solar Thermasite
>Phase Shifter
>Resurrection Orb
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>>51591395
>Flying circus/Flyrant spam? Neato lemme just take 1100 points worth of Skyfire in a 2000 point list and high volume of fire troops.
Yeah how heroic of you to tailor against your opponent. This is why I bring 2 lists of same army so if the faggot tailors against me then he will suddenly notice that he has way too much of AT/anti-infantry/skyfire.

Haha just joking, I'm playing War Convocation. I cant tailor and you cant either unless you play better tier list than me and then I dont have chance to win anyway.
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>>51591507
>Custodes sheild captin
>sheild, paragon blade, cyberfamilar

>3++re-rollable
>-1 to hit him in CC
>str 6 ap 2 I6 (7 aginst WS6 and less)
>5 attacks
>4 wounds
>T5

bring it
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>>51591507
What's the situation? Any FMC with ranged attacks can just fly in circles until even Smashfucker is dead.
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>>51591507
GK Librarian.
>50% chance at Invisibility
>Force Falchions to get some ID wounds past invul saves
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>>51591568
Cheeky, but true
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>>51591538

>Yeah how heroic of you to tailor against your opponent

Did imply this was anything other than a satisfying little bit of spite?
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>>51589623
Good thing that shirt was a limited edition thing you had to order out of the back of WD
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>>51591579
>2 W
>5++
na
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>>51591420
I feel like the Grand Convocation just needs access to a cheap transport for your troops to ride in to let you really profit from the IWND bonus. Its main problem is that you can only run so many Dunecrawlers and Ostrich Robots before you reach your point limit, with the 300 points minimum cost for 4 Vanguards and 2 Enginseers.
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>>51591507

I like the simple but effective ML2 Biomancer Patriarch. Nothing fancy, just buying all the limited wargear options a simple unit has then trying to roll Iron Arm.
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>>51591538
>Tell opponent I'll be playing Tyranids
>He thinks I'll be spamming FMCs and take all the skyfire he can
>I pull the old switcheroo and bring a horde of gaunts and fexes
>Lose anyway because Tyranids are so shit
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>>51591598

Grand Convocation isn't even a good way to run Skitarii Armoured Company, because there's so much tax.

Straightforward 10 vanguard, 9-12 Dunecrawlers and walkers into the remaining points works wonders.
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>>51591625
Thats the secret anon become known as the guy who never plays flyrants but 200 gants and they wont expect come tourney time the old switchroo to 3 Flyrants
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>>51591625
>play Skitarii
>know there'll be Nids
>don't change anything because 2x Icarus Array, 1x Neutron Laser and 3 Vanguard can gun down either list without much trouble

I almost pity the xenos.
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>>51591594
>Invis+ID
It's just a matter of time unless you've got EW. Pretty sure Celestine is the best at this, though. She'll kill basically anything, eventually.
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Which is the best weapon on tomb blades?
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>>51591675
you only have a 50% chance of getting invis, and you still have to land a wound with those ap 3 str 4 hits. Thats 5's vs DPs and he custodes, 6's vs MCs.

Thats not even including DotW, invuns etc before you trigger your force weapon
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Thoughts on running Enginseer Congregations to pad out Canticles for cheap? 6 Canticles for the price of 1 Kataphron Breacher unit is a steal.
Thought about maybe adding a 90 point Congregation to my War Convo to keep in the back and repair my long range shooty Knight and the Onagers and to counteract potentially losing the maximum Canticle bonus because my Skitarii were gunned down turn 1.
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>>51591791
The particle caster: str 6 ap 5 blasts with ignores cover is pretty cash
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>>51591791
>Gauss if you don't know
>PC if you know you aren't going against MEQs ever
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Is this viable for a deathstar?

>nemesor zandrekh
>5X lychguard with sword and shield
>orikan the deviner
>overlord with scythe, phase shifter, shroud for 2+, and res orb

Seems pretty unkillable other than stomps and it can deepstrike to get around, suggestions?
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>>51591862
Yeeaaaah like S6 blasts wont kill MEQs anyway.

Particle Casters are always the best weapon for Tomb Blades.

Unless you play some 6 hivetyrant nids. But that guy is a faggot, play particle casters anyway.
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>>51591940
>>51591940
>>51591940
NEW
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>>51591900
>5X lychguard with sword and shield
No. Use Wraiths.
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>>51591806
>>51591932

This. The rest of your army will be dripping in gauss anyway, Casters are good for clearing out most infantry, just by forcing a lot of S6 hits on them.
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>>51591794
Yeah, napkin math says the custodian guy kills the librarian in 4.5 turns, and 9 turns for the librarian to kill the custodian.
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>>51591932
Do you have the math to back it up
Not being aggy, but just curious
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>>51591957
Honestly i am supprised. is this with invisablty going off? if so, then that follows
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>>51592112
>validity
No, just persistence.
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