EDH/Commander General

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I posted in the ded thread
>>51568458
But any advice for Atraxa superfriends? Do I need more stax or pic related? It seems like my walkers will hit the board and die to faster players
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/more-emblems-please/
For comparison my krenko deck consistently wins on turn 6 and would eat this deck alive imo

what are some core cards to a rafiq(or any other blue/white/green guy that buffs people) deck?
I've been thinking on building a heroic thing
a deck centered around humans doing great deeds, like slaying everyone on the table
I'm searching my cards to find some good stuff, but I have no idea of what to search for
I know I'm after global enchantments, buffing, removal, and a few angels.

>>51568455
I'm considering building five color fun stuff. Any suggestions? Progenitus?

>>51568458
It's not that the deck is shit, it's just boring. Why do something that tons of people are doing? There's so much more creative space to explore with atraxa than just the same superfriends deck everyone's seen a hundred times full of edhrec top picks and boring money cards. It's not even a good spikey win. Tazri food chain is more exciting, there's more interaction, more powerful moves, it's faster, etc. Superfriends just slowly grinds the game out to the point of not being fun even for the pilot. Winning becomes a tedious chore that you have to complete to move into your next game. I play daretti stax but once I have torpor orb and tangle wire, I just go for the kill with a wincon or strong beats (hell kite tyrant or igniter).

>>51568571
tazri, but its actually a zada spin-'n-cantrip-to-win with five colors.

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>>51568455
>What is a pet card you try to include no matter how efficient it may be?
I've always liked wrath of god, swords to plowshares and path to exile. But those are actually good cards. For less good cards I always try to include pic related in many decks, and often it gets cut because 6 mana for the creature to get removed is not that great, it's inferior to Jitte and the swords of x and y, but I just love the life swing it makes.
>>51568552
https://edhrec.com/commanders/rafiq-of-the-many
Finest hour, noble hierarch, path to exile, wrath of god, swords to plowshares, qasali pridemage and sublime archangel are all very much in the flavor of Rafiq, and I feel the playstyle is very high value cards at low cost. Mother of runes comes to mind. Umezawa's jitte. Things that each card of mine is going to be outclassing yours 2 to 1 every time. Armageddon for when your board state gets just a little ahead of theirs. Elspeth, knight errant just because she's so efficient and flavorful. Sigarda, host of herons because she does so much in a small package. Things like that

>>51568510
>krenko deck winning on t6 consistently
man i miss being that slow.

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>>51568455
>What is a pet card you try to include no matter how efficient it may be?
I've got a soft spot for pic related. I try to fit it into any deck that supports it and it's gotten me out of a good many jams.

Anyone got some Spicy Darien, King of Kjeldor tech? Ramping hasn't been an issue so far, but I run out of gas pretty quick. I've got Mentor of The Meek, Staff of Nin, Skullclamp, and the cycling lands, but that's about it. Need card advantage or even pseudo-card advantage.

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>>51568572
Ok I hear ya. I just really wanted this deck since the printing of atraxa is all, but if the deck is boring I could see going another direction. The other directions she lends towards are +1/+1 counters or infect. Infect could be pretty nasty imo and fun to play. I am also planning on building Tazri but I will probably get BTFO my playgroup for being too tryhard and winning on turn 3

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>>51568455
>What is a pet card you try to include no matter how efficient it may be?

This card. Even if it helps my opponents more sometimes, I always incuded it on my green decks.

I have a confession to make. I never realized until a few days ago that there people in this art, I thought for years they were just trees or background objects.

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I know Pia and Kiran isn't a great commander, but I'd like some constructive criticism on this or any of my decks:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/abusing-chandras-dead-parents/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/chandra-and-the-kaladesh-flames/

>>51568455
>What is a pet card you try to include no matter how efficient it may be?
Sol Ring

Nah, it's actually Withered Wretch

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>>51568694
Arguably you're not even playing EDH at that point, you're playing vintage "I win" combo
Most of the tables I sit down at won't play with you at all if you are winning turn 3 desu senpai

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Should I build Adun Oakenshield, Selvala Explorer Returned, or Hanna, Ships Navigator?
Having a hard time deciding. Who is the most competitive? I have pieces for each but also whos deck is going to cost the most just due to the price of the staples you need to build it?

>>51568689
to fill the deck I should get some warriors/knights/soldiers with protection and some instants that can either kill stuff or buff my soldiers.
for the blue part I could get some strategic tapping and return to hand stuff that feels like "le mastermind strategist"
and for the green I could put some auras and other druids that feel like noble hierarch, but I feel like the auras(at least the ones I got) are too far away from the white part of the green

I may put some kithkin or some dwarves from ghirapur, but I'll probably stay away from elves though, those guys are boring.

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>>51568455
>What is a pet card you try to include no matter how efficient it may be?
My nigga Thrun. Probably my favorite card in all of Magic.

>>51568818
No my Krenko deck blows up T5. My playgroup just had to adapt to my decks blowing up T4-5 and now they win T3-4.
Or at the very least focus the ever living fuck outta me.

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>>51568800
>Cheap
>On curve
>Relatively efficient instant speed yard hate
>Relevant tribe

I can dig it.

>>51568455
>What is a pet card you try to include no matter how efficient it may be?

For everything except exile he's just gonna keep coming back.

>>51568689
>>51568843
I forgot to ask anything in there, sorry.

am I going on the right direction?

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>>51568866
Forgot my pic.

>running Eldrazi displacer over Nim Deathmantle in Breya
ignoring the fact that you should be running both, why the fuck would you run a creature eldrazi over an artifact with a commander who's crazy strong with artifact reanimation?

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>>51568766
Infiltration lens and pic related?

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friend recently tried to get me out of my slump by getting me back into magic. gifted me the UG ezuri deck fresh in the box because I thought he looked cool.

The group we play with on saturdays has been cool about it but I can tell they're using lower powered decks to try and match me and after 3 weeks I'm sure they're tired of that so I would like to bring the power level of the deck up a lot. I have a few hundred to blow since I've got nothing else to spend money on.

Can anyone recommend some must haves for this guy?

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>>51568888
Impressive, I might run Tenacious Dead now

>>51568907
>Infiltration Lens

Not bad at all, thank you.

>>51568843
I really like knight of the reliquary, eternal witness and dauntless escort. If you like knights with protection there's always mirran crusader and paladin en-vec. Some other great utility guys are dauntless escort, edric spymaster of trest (even tho hes an elf), geist of saint traft and trygon predator.

>>51568916
I don't play simic, but I see Sage of hours and champion of lambholt in a lot of decks that get posted here. There also fairly budget so i would include them.

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>>51568916
I can't think of any must haves, but Mycoloth seems to synergize well with him.

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>>51568946
Also this

>>51568888
Nice quads and out of curiosity, why take this over, say, Reassembling Skeleton?

>>51569001
Quite spicy indeed.

>>51568874
It's different than my rafiq deck, and basically that's a good thing
I focus more on trying to falcon punch opponents in one swing with rafiq
If you wanna go tribal humans/knights/soldiers with it that's great. My list looks more like the edhrec list. I can try to type it up into tappedout but it may take a minute

>>51569004
It was the first skeleton I got, I think in the M14 black intro deck. Reassembling might be better but this holds a special place in my heart.

>>51569047
Fair enough, more power to ya.

>>51568916
Hornet Queen is crazy good. Crystalline Crawler, too. +1/+1 counters has a LOT of support, so you're really spoiled for choice with these decks.

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>>51568455
>What is a pet card you try to include no matter how efficient it may be?
I always run some of these

Can someone please give me suggestions on this list? Improvements to the list and criticism are welcome. This is my first EDH decklist.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hanna-ships-navigator-enchantment-control/

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Love this card.

>>51569184
your link doesn't work. How's that for criticism?

>>51569196
I cant access the site right now. It just gives me the page with the ornithopters.

>>51569196

tappedout is down, it seems.

>>51569188

This is really cool. Definitely gonna find room for it in my Gwafa Control deck

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>>51569182
>not using the best art

>>51569213
>>51569196
thought you were joking until I tried my own links. Well that's a drag.

>>51569196
Tappedout is down for maintenance I think

>>51568956
thankfully I have a lot of those cards already
I'll see where I can get finest hour, sublime and the geist

>>51569039
no need to type it if it's going to be any trouble

I'm not sure I wanna go for a tribal thing with lots of "[creature type] gets [a lot of abilities]"
I'm getting a deck full of "everyone gets [something]" type of abilities.
it'll end up being about normal guys going heroic, and rafiq is there mainly because he is heroic and a symbol to the army.

I'm figuring out some "core" cards(other than the ones said before)
so far I have
>court street denizen
>brigitte, kinsbale heroin
>dragonscale general
>archetype of courage(and planning on adding the other archetypes, if they fit)
>anafenza's spirit
>odric lunarch marshall
>eidolon of countless battles

it won't be based on creature type, but rather on stuff that everyone benefits from
this thing builds itself

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>>51569252
>>51569421
Oh freaking no
I spent like 20 min writing up my rafiq deck and tappedout goes down for maintentence no warning
I think I lost all my progress. Sad face.

>>51569487
I get rewarded for being lazy and not putting my 3rd commander deck up there yet

>>51568916
Well tappedout is down right now so I can't post mine. Living Hive is good, also recommend hooded hydra and chasm skulker for their inevitable deaths, freyalise llanowar's fury for the dorks, fathom mage to refill your hand, etc. I avoid running infect except for Viral Drake mainly for the proliferate and with the proper setup you can kill by commander dmg without even buffing ezuri

is infect still 10 counters to lose in commander?

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>>51569421
Well my list looks basically like this + or - a few things and without the lands

rafiq of the many

finest hour
qasali pridemage
noble hierarch
sublime archangel
battlegrace angel
baneslayer angel
mirari's wake
mirran crusader
hero of bladehold
brimaz, king of oreskos
path to exile
swords to plowshares
rhystic study
fact or fiction
sol ring
sensei's divining top
umezawa's jitte
control magic
wrath of god
martial coup
thrun, the last troll
mother of runes
knight of the reliquary
solemn simulacrum
phyrexian metamorph
dauntless escort
sigarda, host of herons
stoneforge mystic
glen elendra archmage
tamiyo, field researcher
sylvan library
sower of temptation
azorius signet
selesnya signet
simic signet
mana crypt
mana vault
batterskull
sword of fire and ice
sword of feast and famine
sword of war and peace
day of judgment
supreme verdict
birthing pod
green sun's zenith
enlightened tutor
chord of calling
acidic slime
sovereigns of lost alara
eldrazi conscription
rancor
trygon predator
cryptic command
counterspell
krosan grip
yavimaya elder
lightning greaves
cultivate
kodama's reach
propaganda
geist of saint traft
austere command
sylvan reclamation
consecrated sphinx

>Sol ring is still not banned.

This is getting sad.

>>51569696
yes

>>51569728
That's never, EVER going to happen.

The best we can hope for is Mana Crypt to be banned.

>>51569704
woah, thanks
I'll copypaste that into some place I can see the cards better
I'm currently browsing white cards only and listing them, I'm at 17 and I think it's enough
I'll go for a 60 cards +40 lands, but I'm not even sure of the proportion
I have a tendency to hoard creatures in my decks

>>51569696
yes

So I guess tapped out is down. Pastebin it is!

Sorry if this isn't in some kinda order.

http://pastebin.com/DMkvmDNN

Me mizzix build

>>51568455
>What is a pet card you try to include no matter how efficient it may be?
Crawlspace goes in almost every single deck I build.

>>51568455
>What is a pet card you try to include no matter how efficient it may be?

blessing of leeches goes to all of my decks that have black in it.

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So a friend of mine wants to play jin gitaxias but another freind says it makes the game unfun, whats /tg/ take on it? Is Jin fun?

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Making a Hope voltron deck. Need advice on what to cut.

http://www.mtgvault.com/phobes365/decks/ghira-voltron-edh/

>>51568961
yes, sage of hours was the first card the group recommended I buy, so I did. it's one of a small handful of singles I've added to the deck so far

>>51568982
mycoloth is another one of those i've added, doubling the exp counters each turn is crazy

>>51569169
thanks, i'm sure I can cut some chaff for those. I've noticed the out of the box deck had a lot of cards that didn't seem to go with the strategy, and some just weren't really good at all. are all the prebuilt decks like that?

>>51569641
living hive looks cool but it seems kind of expensive. is infect frowned upon in commander? someone mentioned something about a lot of ezuri decks winning by infect but they didn't show me any particular cards. I wasn't playing during mirrodin 2.0 so I'm not familiar with infect cards.

one of the guys in the group traded me a panharmonicon and a skullclamp for the command beacon that came with the deck and they've both been crazy good in the games i've drawn them

>>51568455
Shattering Pulse. So efficent. So resourceful.

>have dozens of potential generals
>my collection is crap and every single pile is badly sub-optimal

>>51569867
He's a big effect, so fun for the guy who gets him out. Other people don't enjoy it, but that's because they're either bad at saving answers or just got wrecked and they weren't done building their hugbox.

>>51569883
Infect isn't wholly frowned upon but many people still like to make house rules by bumping infect loss from 10 to 20. Also gyre sage is great for him.

>got panharmonicon and skullclamp for command beacon

Should've kept the beacon and bought the panharm yourself

>>51569867
unless the Jin player puts ton of ramp or infinity mana combos in the deck he will have hard time even getting him out.

honestly even if he did get him out he will eat removal faster than pretty much any other creature in the game

I just searched about 15 pages of white cards for my rafiq deck, and I got little more than 20 potential creatures

I'll weed it out(probably) but I still need some samples of blue and green creatures to put in the mix, preference for humans and spirits/elementals/magicbeings that represent humans and their characteristics

for spells I'll mostly go to stuff that interacts with auras and other stuff, I'm not so concerned about it right now
I'll probably have a shitty response capability, though

>>51569867
so i was holding a rather large of magic cards at my local game store today behind a couple neckbeards that i know from when i played on the pro tour with my team in years younger. It was the only pod with an open seat so there wasnt much of an option to try out my sweet Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro brew for a party i was heading to. i was wondering why the game was going nowhere when i decided to poke my snake shaman up front to see what the delay was. it was a cyclonic rift but the jin-gitaxias player didn't have enough mana for the overload and was trying to talk the judge into letter him get away with being short. this struck me as odd until i found out she was mere 1/2 mana short of her spell. now all these players were just staring and there were even two making fun of him. i walked up and handing my sachi deck to the judge, handed him a storm ctow and told him to keep the change. one of the neckbeards (i knew these people, so i also knew that they play original dual lands in their edh decks) grabbed their body pillow and yelled very loudly, "see that man? he's acting just like maro wants us to." for some reason this set me off, so i turned around. i havent shaved in a while so im rocking some nice scruff, a tolarian community college shirt (DAE Dollar?), and gym shorts, so it must have been a nice sight. very loudly, i said "like maro? m'lady im an atheist who plays saffron olive budget modern decks and i was the one who stepped up to help them? your hypocritical new world order is an inspiration to us all." as i stormed off, a couple of the drafters started to whistle and cheer, soon standard players joined in and even the owner. i tapped a land and went off with a feeling of accomplishment

>>51569983
Idyllic tutor and Enlightened tutor are your friend. Also I'd suggest if your going for an aura or enchantment theme you also invest in a Serra's Sanctum. They're still relatively cheap in comparison to Gaea's Cradle which is now something like $150

>>51569880
i would cut hope of ghirapur

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>>51568455
Every single time I can, I slot this card.

>>51569867
Jin-Git is fun if you enjoy bathing in the abject misery and rage of the table

>>51569867
personally I like him because I got him foil along with the black praetor on the same booster during new phyrexia pre release

I never played him(he's more of a sentimental value card for me) but I'm pretty sure he makes the game unfun.

>>51569867
I think anyone that complains about Jin has one of two problems. 1 You are playing a pussy casual deck that you say is "fun" but it's just full of shit cards or 2 you don't run any answers in your deck and because of this deserve to get punished by the ability

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>>51569749
>>51569704
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/05-02-17-falcon-punch/
Here's the tappedout list. I made a few cuts like brimaz and I might consider cutting geist of saint traft as well, as he doesn't like getting blocked by most things in the format. By the way tappedout is back up for anyone wondering

>>51569867
>Opponent gets to 10 mana with that guy in the command zone
>Let's not hold up removal for it!
Idiots.

>>51568768
You could try doing like a phyrexian artifact vault themed deck. Use old artifacts from before 8th edition that have counters. The old stockpile lands and what not. Run the new phyrexia proliferate cards to fuel the ancient artifacts that give you the advantage. That's at least what I'd do if I was trying to build a unique Atraxa

>>51568847
Makes for a decent voltron commander. Uncounterable, untargetable, regenerating. Throw some nice equipment on him and give him evasion and you got yourself a quick 21 damage.

>>51570360

Reposting:

Probably taking out Seismic Spike for something like Fervor. Anything else I need to consider for a super budget vehicles deck?

>>51570389

Don't mind me, just being dumb and not posting the list:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-02-17-wr-vehicles/

>>51569883
Gyre Sage, if you're looking for a shit ton of green mana

>>51568833
Well, they're different colours all so kind of a weird question, but I assume you're going the stax route. I would give my vote for Hanna, she's absolutely wonderful.

Selvala is also a lovely lady, but she plays entirely different kind of deck and I feel like she isn't very competitive because of the card draw unless you have a way to limit your opponent casting spells reliably.

Oakenshield seems okay too, but if you're doing stax, I would rather use either Shattergang Bros. or Karrthus as a finisher, but if colour shift doesn't matter, I could recommend Karador, he plays pretty similarly to Oakenshield, but is in different colours and is more efficient.

Overall though, I'd say Hanna is the best one, but I never had any experience with Oakenshield. Afterall, enchantments and artifacts are the best permanent types there is.

>>51569867
I run jinjan augur man as my almost colorless deck commander. It's mana rocks and eldrazi with 20 islands and 3 blue spells (including commander)

My old colorless eldrazi deck was fun but ran out of gas constantly. I even tried both kozileks as commander but. ..it wasn't enough.

Jin is amazing at the lead

>>51569696
Yes. You want to do like me and build Skittles. Include Unspeakable Symbol and cackle as you win combat forever and seize whenever someone kills your creature after all the life you paid.
>tfw you pay 39 life and you get Gut Shotted

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Hey, /edhg/, can any of you tell me the best way to build Sydri without using infinite combo cheese? My group can't handle that playstyle, but I still want to build her.

Do I run Panharmonicon in Sakashima or no?

Because it looks like it makes sense in theory...

>>51571681
Lattice and destroy all lands

>>51571753
Do you run a lot of ETB effects? Then yes. I wouldn't depend on opponents running them.

>>51571681
Make it an Oloro lifegain deck but without Oloro.
>robots that get lifelink and either attack or ping
>pingers that get deathtouch to control the board
>various other incidental life gain effects like pristine talisman and shit
>payoffs like the aetherflux death star or karlov
Should be causal and janky enough fun. Probably a bit inconsistent but you're in good colors for tutor, control and card draw.

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I have this annoying friend in my play group who uses Meren of Clan Nel Toth and spore frog. My no creature Narset can get around it with extra turns, but how can I deal with it with say, an Atraxa deck?

>>51572362

>How do I deal with [Thing Meren does]

Pack more graveyard hate.

Pack more tutors to get your graveyard hate.

>>51572362

Firstly, you go to your nearest river and drown yourself for playing Narset.

Secondly, Grave hate.

>>51572384
>>51572389

What is the best grave hate? Instant speed?

>>51572362
I don't understand, even if you don't pack grave hate, just kill their spore frog eot.

Or keep killing Meren. 6 mana fogs aren't good, and 8 mana fogs are atrocious.

>>51572425

>What is the best grave hate?

Rest in Peace.

Also Relic of Progenitus.

>>51572425
atraxa really likes scavenging ooze. which I think is even in the precon, but maybe that's another deck. there's also necrogenesis, bojuka bog, night soil, rest in peace, nihil spellbomb, relic of progenitus, grafdiggers cage, cranial archive and others. But i prefer cards that do more than only hate on raveyards.

>>51572425
Bojuka Bog is great and Rakdos Charm works wonders as well

>>51572459

>Rakdos Charm
>In Atraxa

>>51572485
Oh, I didn't read that, only the grave hate thing.
Scooze is great, Withered Wretch is usable. Leyline of the void is also nice. RiP is good if you aren't afraid of what happens to your graveyard.
Deathrite Shaman is also nice.

>>51568689
there are effects that say 'when this creature deals damage, you gain that much life'.
Just like lifelink but not actually lifelink so here's my question.
Does such an effect stack with Lifelink?
Can it stack with it's self?

>>51573155

Yes, an example would be Armadillo Cloak.

It's a triggered ability that'll go on the stack and can be responded to. It effectively is a double-lifelink set up. If you have multiple Armadillo Cloaks on a creature (or multiple cards with the same text), then as far as I know yes, they would stack.

>>51573155
If the Oracle text for those cards doesn't use the keyword lifelink, then yes. Mind you, that's a triggered ability, so it uses the stack unlike lifelink itself.

>>51571681
Don't forget staff of nin.

Posted this earlier in the thread but tappedout was down. This is my first EDH decklist ive come up with. I would like some advice and constructive criticism. Thank you.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hanna-ships-navigator-enchantment-control/

>>51573761
Mind explaining why you think that land count is OK?

Because it's not, you don't have enough of the right rocks for this shit

>>51569883
>are all the prebuilt decks like that?
Yeah, pretty much. They each come with three commanders, so you get stuff that's obviously intended for one of the secondary ones or, occasionally, just bad.

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>>51572362
>but how can I deal with it with say, an Atraxa deck?

>>51573852
Eh, 33 isn't that bad. He has 6 or so mana rocks so lowest I'd personally go is 35, but he does have a relatively low curve.

Honestly, Lotus petal sucks in edh. Replace it with a land. Hinder kinda sucks now that you can't tuck generals, so I'd replace that with another land. That'll put you at an alright 35 spot.

>>51573852
Like I said very first EDH deck. Im not too great at building the manabase. Just not enough artifact mana?

>>51574125
So just cut and replace those two? Any other suggestions? Also does the list have good cards and synergy?

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>>51570339
I know it's not as efficient as SFM, but Stonehewer Giant has never been bad to me.

>>51574125
He has maze of ith in their too, it's p. Bad.

My rule of thumb is about 40 lands, then take out one for every two mana rocks at CMC 3 or lower. (Just a rule of thumb, fast combo decks can get away with fewer, for instance)

Also his win cons are a little lacking. He might be able to pop off with sigil, but it's probably going to be rare for him to have anywhere near the resources to grind out 120 life from his opponents, unless he assumes all of his friends are retarded and will kill each other for him.

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>>51572425

>>51574244
Well thats why im asking. I want to improve the decklist as i pick up singles so that when its finally built its at least decent and competitive.

>>51573761
I'm pretty sure that deck alone is worth more than all my decks combined. Do you really have all that money to spend or do you have the expensive cards lying around anyway?

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You see the fish, you can't resist!
Gotta keep that hand!

>>51574461
Yeah i spend more then I should on cardboard. I have modern/legacy burn heavily pimped, modern scapeshift, and a huge trade binder.

>>51574244
40? Eh, that's too much imo. 37 is my rule of thumb and has worked. Lowest I've got is 32 with my elfball deck, which has been tested to death.

I think it's a balance of rocks and ramp honestly.

>>51574906
If the deck is modified slightly does it at least have good synergies and win conditions? Is it a good list aside from a few cards or is it bad and needs to be scrapped?

>>51574546
>tfw not enough cards to make fish tribal

How would you guys feel about, if maro had an stroke and started making white wheel cards and no downside red card draw in the new sets?

>>51575907
>if maro had an stroke
Thrilled

>started making white wheel cards and no downside red card draw in the new sets
Less thrilled, but honestly it might just be what brings Boros up into the realm of playable.

So there are two (unofficial) playgroups at my LGS. In one, no one plays certain cards & combos are highly discouraged (synergy encouraged). In the other, everyone is ""friends"" & there are Blightsteels swinging turn 4.

I don't like playing politics (lying through my teeth), so I'm working on a more casual deck for the former group. Any tips? There are a couple combos, but the focus is more on token synergy, so any rare gems in that department would be appreciated.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/4c-funstuff-essentials/

>>51575086
I'm not saying it's bad, I think you're coming from too competitive of formats to get that the majority of us don't play outright to win every time. Just isn't gonna happen.

If this was a 1v1 deck, I'd tell you to stop playing Hannah. But duel commander is a meme and I only play multiplayer edh. I will tell you that your creature count is very low and you don't have a lot of draw outlets.

Some things to add;

Mesa Enchantress
Rhystic Study
Scroll Rack

Those are some draw engines you might like. As for more creatures;

Aegis of the Godds
Ajani's Chosen
Auramancer
Auratog (great sacred engine for enchantments. Hits people outta no where)
Eidolon of Rhetoric (if you wanna be a dick)
Lost Auramancers
Restoration Specialist (good recursion)
Spirit of the Labyrinth (to also be a dick)

And then I'd add Ghostly Prison, Norns Annex, Propaganda, and Sphere of Safety just for the added protection from attackers.

Just things to consider. Also, remove the vehicles. They're pretty bad in EDH, only decent in Depala/Sram.

>>51576498
And speaking of Depala, anyone want to give me some CC on my Depala NASCAR deck?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/depala-nascar/

>>51568854
why even bother playing EDH at that point, just play a legacy format

>>51575308
is there a legendary fish?
you could put fishes and some other fish-like stuff, like whales and other leviathans that look like fish

>>51575308
Ever thought of trying Thassa ocean tribal?

>>51575907
Ok but in response he'll probably make lifegain spells and combat tricks spells in blue

>>51577115
Only one of those things you said isnt in blues color identity....

>>51574125
Lotus Petal is damn good when you play high power. It's auto include in good storm decks.

>>51576498
Im trying to tune the list so that I have a good chance of winning a majority of games
I used the exact amount of creatures most lists use though checking goldfish and EDHrec and most of the spells are the recommended ones by EDHrec with a few flex slots. Ill remove the vehicles and maybe add a few control creatures in their place.

I need some advice guys!
I have a Rafiq deck that my friends doesn´t enjoy playing against at all and everytime i pull it up they basicly auto-surrender the games i play it.

the question is what is a good commander to replace Rafiq that isn´t through the roof bonkers?

I was thinking C14 Nahiri or the furry that came along that precon.

>>51577346
Even in control shells, I can't bring myself to use less than 20 creatures.

Remember, edhrec is a guideline not a definitive list. EDH is mostly about creativity in my opinion, and taking different routes will net you not only a nod to your deck building ego but also points for doing stuff that isn't seen as often.

Remember, a lot of creatures in other formats are unusable, except in commander where they're awesome.

Here's a list of what deck I have available on tappedout. Anything I still currently use is in the top section, where the bottom are retired decks. I was gonna be Hannah but I'm gonna go for G/W Enchantress with Karametra tho.

http://tappedout.net/users/vennivaraz/deck-folders/

>>51577148
In storm maybe, but in this format it's just not very impactful. Its not something you wanna try recurring every turn with Hannah, as opposed to something bigger like Myr Battlesphere. Which is something I would suggest to him.

>>51577495
What style did you take your Rafiq deck? List?

Which color has the most "only viable in monocolor" cards?

Is it black because of its swamp-based mana doublers?

>>51577571
There are plenty of red cards that are only good in a mono-red deck, but even in mono-red they are shit. Green has strategies that work best when you can accelerate with no worry about the colours.

>>51577564
It was basically enchantress edh but with a couple of equipments to help rafiq with keywords some of the enchantments were lacking.

It went mostly towards white so that´s why i thought about nahiri as a replacement. it was basically 50 % white 35 % green and 15 % blue.

>>51577571
in terms of monocolor proficiency, i'd rate the colors like this:

>black (mana doublers, contamination)
>green (mana doublers)
>red (mana hosers)
>blue, white (nothing that interesting afaik)

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Are there any cards similar to Selective Memory? I could've sworn there was a card that targeted lands instead of non-lands.

>>51577644
If it is enchantress style then Karametra or Daxos, the Returned are good to focus further on it. With Daxos you get some spicy black enchantments to make the board hate life. Karametra is useful in that its a fairly weak commander itself and so experiences less board hate.

If you want to keep Bant then Jenara is not so threatening to be hated against, but works if you have some equipments to make her dangerous. Rubinia is a good commander to have a different effect available but it depends on how your playgroups react to control magic.

>>51577730
Endless Horizons gets all the plains out of your library.

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>>51577730

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>>51577730
Also this

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>>51577756
That's the exact card I was thinking about, thanks

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/who-wants-card-draw/

Do you think thus will work out? Never played stax before, should I put in more oppressive cards?

>>51577730
I choose not to remember.

Is it possible to play Jhoira without ruining everyone's day? Would skipping MLD and eldrazi be enough?

I just really like the flavor of Suspend, plus it's a good excuse to play jank with stupidly high CMC.

Is there a way to play Animar soft-combo? Like Paradox Engine + mana dorks into Craterhoof. Anything to support that?

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Building Sisay paradox engine. who is ready for GW storm?

>>51578197
You can play animar as cheerios, paradox engine isn't even necessary.

>>51578597
Have you played him? Mostly wondering if there's any spicy tech that's not on EDHrec. For example I didn't see Clone, Brutalizer Exarch, Deceiver Exarch, or Phantasmal Image up there.

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What EDH deck best exemplifies the ideals of the Soviets?

>>51579073
Zedruu

>>51579073
hidetsugu

>>51569880
>no blade of selves
what in the actual fuck are you doing

>>51579073
Zedruu, she is absolutely subversive

>>51568766
Minds eye, any lands you can tap that deal 1 to you (Mana confluence and such)

>>51568766
>>51579385
Sorry, meant city of brass. Confluence doesn't work

>>51579392
Hive mind, that card, and sower with a way to flicker it. Spicy af, even jankier than jank

>>51579436
Never mind, RIP. They can just choose not to exile anything. You need to control them somehow.

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>>51568455
pain's reward is my pet card, I try to put it in all my black decks

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>>51568455
I'm a tribal man

Anyone here experienced with playing Jhoira of the Ghitu? I'm looking for some constructive criticism on a list before I get the cards I need for it.

Pet cards are Carpet of Flowers, Mystic Remora, and Paradox Engine

V A L U E

Can anyone give me a good argument as to why it would be unfair to have Ormendahl/Westvale as your commander in terms of just being able to play Westvale as a land from the command zone?

>>51580634
Lands can't be cast

>>51580634
Not sure if unfair is the right word, but it's broken in terms of game rules

>>51580634
>Ormendahl
uncounterable commander and a guaranteed land drop.

>>51569728
>>51569747
You fags are never getting your way. even if you did, there's plenty more good rocks to include in any deck

>year
>not running 10+ rocks
>cast shiggy to combo off with diggy

>>51580518
Jhoira is basically an endurance match no matter how you splice it. The goal is always:
>Get Jhoria with counterbackup
>Suspend Bomb A (usually a Eldrazi Titan)
>Suspend Bomb B (Jokulhoups or Obliterate)
>Suspend literally anything else while keeping counterspells handy for anything, but most importantly trying to get Jhoria to use her abilities
>Oh yeah, Time Warp.

>>51581051
Jokul/Obliterate usually go first. Put Eldrazi Titan as "bomb A" with Old Ulamog in mind.

>>51581051
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jhoira-of-the-big-dudes-and-ruined-friendships/
Here is what I have right now, I was thinking adding another counter or two. Thanks for the help

>>51580634
>never cast, so no commander tax
>uncounterable
>can go off insanely fucking early

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>>51568455
>What is a pet card you try to include no matter how efficient it may be?
Nice Time Stretch, faggot

Is Adun even viable? He only has 40 decks on EDHrec and is definitely not in the most popular Jund commanders. Can he put up a fight and win if the list contains powerful cards?

Is there any good way for a Mizzix deck to tutor up Mana Geyser other than Mystical Tutor?

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>>51579073
This guy

>>51579157
>Voltron based on a Legendary creature
>suggest Blade of Selves
What are YOU doing? Myriad makes token copies, and doing that on a Legendary is pointless because due to state based actions you have to put all but one into the graveyard immediately (state based actions are checked and happen both before and after each spell or ability in the stack and when the stack is empty) (The copies are not sacrificed, they just flat die.)

tl;dr copying Legendaries nearly never works in any beneficial way

>>51577346
I have control decks that run 5 and 6 creatures that function really well.

Ignore >>51576498 >>51577535 "run more creatures" parts of the argument.

You can run creatureless just fine.

>>51581825
>>tl;dr copying Legendaries nearly never works in any beneficial way
except in the case of reaper king and kokusho

>>51581103
Yes he can, but he is a one time printed legends card, so extremely few people have him, hence the low amount of decks.

>>51581924
>nearly never
>nearly
That's exactly why I said this exact word.
You have to plan around it to make cloning Legendaries beneficial, otherwise there's no point.

>>51582024
i was merely supplementing your post with examples of said "nearly never" legendaries

in hindsight i did make it seem like i was correcting you but that was not the intention

i hope we can still be friends

>format is based on building around your commander, a legendary creature
>but you can stick as many legendaries as you want into your deck
>and since its singleton theres no reason not to do this over lesser cards
doesn't this seem kind of silly to anyone else

>>51568552
The swords. Definitely the swords.

>>51582301
no

>>51582301
Well, I mean, filling your deck with Legendary cards for no reason is a really bad strategy most of the time because you'll have no coherency.
There is only 1 time packing Legends is good, and that's with Sisay.
Otherwise, it's far better to pick a general strategy and build around it, and only include Legendaries when they fit the strat.

>>51582301
>legendaries are automatically better than non-legendaries

Did you start playing in 2017?

>>51582356
>legendaries are automatically better than non-legendaries
they usually are
especially for legendary enchanments and artifacts
>>51582354
filling mindlessly maybe but its not like there aren't plenty that help your strategy as good as your commander
>>51582344
ok

>>51582301
Think of the other legendaries as your commander's lieutenants (yes, I know there are "actual lieutenant" cards). And no, it's not a good idea to have every single creature in your deck be legendary. Least of all for the sake of having every creature in your deck be legendary.

>>51582417
>they usually are
um

not really

imagine if you could have gary as your commander

>>51582439
>Think of the other legendaries as your commander's lieutenants
gotta say i have a little trouble thinking of indestructible gods as lowly lieutenants
>>51582453
who

>>51582499
gary the gray merchant from asphodel

>>51581825
>>51581924
what is mirror gallery

>>51582626
a really bad artifact

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>>51582417
>they usually are
And then funny music plays over the montage of cards proving you wrong. I'm imagining "Spanish Flea" but there are several good options.

>>51581652
That's a fucking awesome alter

>>51579144
What about Hidetsugu is Marxist-Leninist?

>>51581924
And Godo. Really any legend with a good ETB effect

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I need a card for my mono white deck that can bounce my own creatures. Preferably a paladin like enchantment. I need to save as many humans as I can.

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>>51583238
How about this?

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>>51583238
it's an instant but it can save several creatures

>>51569221
>not using full art lands

I bet you kiss girls you fag

>>51583238
Whitemane lion.

>>51583238
Dust Elemental

>>51582757
I mean, it's a very specific combo piece. it's not going to be good in most situations, But that doesn't make it bad necessarily.

>>51569487
You think that's bad? I wrote half a fucking primer before trying to save only to realize my internet got shot in the dick(thanks time Warner fags). 3 hours worth of typing, formatting, and image setting having to be redone, my rage as infinite as splinter twin.

>>51581924
And Vela. It's my main wincon

>>51576734

Because anyone who enjoys just playing Creatures: The Tappening are the kind of players who should stop playing Magic and should focusing on their middle school studies.

Is Omniscience too unfun for non competitive commander?

>>51583683
But anon, using heavily disruptive strategies and beating on smugfags like you is so much more satisfying.

>>51583711
Nah, it's fine for casual. Instant speed enchantment removal abounds.

I want to play Ramirez DePietro Pirate Tribal.
Here's the EDHRec page
https://edhrec.com/commanders/ramirez-depietro

What are some good dimir shells to wrap him up in? Should I just go full flavor town and say winning be damned!? Are there any pirate themed cards you don't see on that list? besides kari zev, captain sisay, and hannah ship's navigator

Help me! please!

>>51582333
trips say something
I have war and peace already, so I'm not worried about it

I'm worried about not knowing where to go and buy a shit ton of cards that won't fit the deck

>>51576340

If you wanted a straight fight, play 1v1. In EDH I can supplement my janky decks with some politics. Besides, lying gets your face smashed in first the next game. Just play politics without lying.

I love playing stupid till I ramp in one turn and smash multiple fucks at once.

>>51583711
It's a perfectly fine spell that screams EDH.

It is only ever a problem when cheated out. Turn 2 sac ademey rector, omniscience, enter the infinite, GG?

>>51583683
But legacy also has a huge focus on creatures.

>>51583683

You "magicfags" suck huge dick at mgaic.

>I can't handle all threats at once!
>people should not use creatures so the game can be simpler and I can win easily

Go fuck a rake.

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How many counterspells should my gwafa prison deck (w/ life gain+life gain wincons) run?

Anyone got a budget Vela decklist?

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>>51583848
Make the deck be kill n steal (plundering! )

Run control magic, and things that steal from opponents deck! Like pic related .

Islandwalk and things that make lands islands is cool too

>>51583907
The former group is fun, the politics group is literally 3 people going "Let's be friends" then stabbing you in the back at the first opportunity. I get focused a bunch in both groups because I like to play cards instead of sitting back & either ramping or lying about my allegiances, but I'd much rather make a stupid ramp deck that builds up to an explosive turn than playing grab-ass with people that hold grudges & team up.

Kvetching aside, what do you think of the deck?

>>51583907
And as I said in the first post it focuses mainly on a tokens strategy (in RUGW), so any gems for token strats would be welcomed! Considering Monastery Mentor since I have a bunch of noncreature spells, but I don't think I have enough specifically instants/sorceries for Talrand/Young Peezy. Something like Master of Waves or Abhorrent Overlord for green would be nice, but I'm not aware of any.

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How viable is mass lifegain? I'd like to make a deck with pick related at the helm.

>>51584031

Mine had 7 or 8, somewhere around there. It wasn't heavy on the control side, though

>>51584122

I'll tell you what kills the game, ramping. I wanna trade blows, not "I got my better cards out faster"

>>51580886
derevi is legal which dodges tax and cant be countered by almost all counters

good decks already have pretty much guaranteed land drops anyway so a colorless land shouldnt make things overly consistent

>>51581093
see above for first two

can you give me an example of what would make ormendahl/westvale ridiculous compared to the other busted commanders of the format?

>>51584240

With her? Not very, unless you're playing in a group of 5+

>>51584240
you can tutor for felidar or test of endurance in GW at least, but commmader damage kind of makes life gain strategy useless.

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>>51583848
>https://edhrec.com/commanders/ramirez-depietro
>All the top and signature cards are related to pirates, stealing, ships, and loot

>>51584330
>>51584343
I don't really have my heart set on lifegain for the most part, I'd just like to find some way to use her as my commander. GW has a lot of good token options so maybe I can do something in that area

>>51584323
The thing about having a land as a commander is you don't cast it, so it has no tax and can't be countered. I don't want a bunch of rules added for a land commander, so naw.

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>>51577730

>>51584393
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-10-16-tap-that-ass/

>>51584393
she's elf-comboy, if you want to go the degenerate route, desu.

But a less degenerate way to build her is BigBoys.dec. She ramps to large numbers ridiculously fast. like, in my degenerate elf version of her, if i don't have a quick combo path, casting Elesh norn on turn 3 or 4 is doable almost every time.

>>51584606
This deck is silly.

>>51582757
say what nigga?

>>51584606
That looks pretty cool and super cheap. So do you just ramp and kill everyone with hurricane?
>>51584615
What's the big guys deck? I like Elesh Norn and always wanted an excuse to buy one

>>51584691
big boys are just big dumb game changing creatures and spells that demand an answer. Preators, Iona, GW has a lot of them. the deck at >>51584606 is pretty cute though.

>>51584691
hurricane, squall line, storm seeker, psychosis crawler, aether reservoir, mill (abundance means you can never deck yourself)

>>51584743
I might have to make something similar to that, I really like your deck. I was wanting to make her so I have a deck to clown around with

>>51584293
So about the deck..? Or token strats? Or star players in my colors?

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gitrog-in-paper/

The gitrog monster is a broken piece of shit and the clean up step is unfair

>>51583364
>they didn't do the original innistrad wording for blink effects

Makes me sad. It's like they knew it was too strong.

>>51584774
The deck has a fairly high win %, but it usually takes 15-20 min so I only play it once a night. Its needs some updates as well (paradox engine, steelshapers gift, stoneforge mystic, some W/G nonbasic would not hurt either) but those are all fairly expense.

>>51584862
15-20 min turns*

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>tfw finally got Ponder, Preordain and Brainstorm all from the same guy

>>51582866
only the old legends in that list aren't very good
what exactly are you trying to prove

>>51584894
You've got to be kidding

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Post secret tech and /edh/ guesses your commander.

>>51584862
Yeah paradox engine looks to be really good for her. Some of the nonbasics aren't too expensive sunpetal grove, temple garden, fortified village, and canopy vista.
>>51584724
I'd like to make this deck also so is it just a fast ramping crap out big creatures type of deck? Elesh Norn and Vorinclex are both kinda pricey

So I finally decided on my first commander deck made from scratch and I decided on heartless hidetsugu. The cards will get here around next week, So I'm wondering What am I in for /edh/?

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>>51585167
Forgot the picture

>>51584894
Tell you what, you build a deck with Ishkanah as the commander and I'll build one with Serra Ascendant as the commander. Should be no problem, since Ishkanah is a Legendary and therefore better.

>>51585148
yeah, it's just ramping out big creatures. I don't have a good list on hand. the best ones are kinda pricey, but cards like angel of serenity, the on-color Gods, and bane of progress aren't more than a couple of bucks.

>>51585209
serra ascendant would be a garbage commander if you didnt start with extra life in edh and you know it

>>51585167
quick games and running out of cards in your hand

>>51585257
But you do, so it's good.

>>51585257
And if you weren't so fat your dick would look bigger. But this is the world we live in. The world where Serra Ascendant is a broken commander, Ishkanah is a garbage commander, and you're a little doughboy with a tiny pecker.

>>51585300
>>51585257
>>51585209

The Ishkanah deck would win anways (in a pod, ya know, how this format is supposed to be played)

a serra ascendant deck would be a doggy deck with a better commander, and doggy is bad

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>>51585115
One of my favorite dragons, haven't seen it in a single deck.

Yours has something to do with elves

>>51585261
I'm making this deck to be able to compete at the competitive ( and seemily the only ) edh table at my lgs so quick games aren't a problem for me. For the card draw, I ordered knollspire dragon, and got some of the cheap wheels. But I haven't really played a deck without blue before so I don't know what else to put in for draw.

>>51585334
>1 mana 6/6 flying lifelinker is somehow worse than Ishkanah
>4 turn Commander damage clock starting on turn 1
>12 point lifeswing every turn
>Even if they kill it, the tax on Ascendant would be nothing

stop being dumb.

http://pastebin.com/U8y10K6n
First time trying to build a Commander deck for a local group using my old stockpile and cards I could borrow; how shit is it?

only bought the Vedalken Orrery when I went to grab my deck box and sleeves; thinking of grabbing Tamiyo, Field Researcher next time I go, since they look like they would combo hilariously together with her as a commander

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>>51585115
Elfball commander?

Here's mine

>>51585342
Not elves actually. CMC<4

>Thundermaw Hellkite
You either play a Dragon commander or you have to deal with meta full of fliers.

>>51585311
wow, you sure seem mad for no reason
is it because you had to cherrypick one nonlegendary creature that because of the specific circumstances of EDH would be a good commander?

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>>51585423
Here's another hint.

Titania?

>>51585370
>1 mana 6/6 flying lifelinker is somehow worse than ishkanah
A Serra ascendant commander deck would be worse than a Ishkanah commander deck. Serra ascendant is a better card than ishkanah, but that's not what i'm replying to, if you didn't notice
>4 turn commander damage clock starting on turn 1
Turn 2, actually. and you're saying that like it's fast against 3 opponents, one of which being a spider with reach that makes spiders with reach
>12-point life swing
implying spider would win with something other than some infinite combo, making most damage irrelevant
>even if they kill it the tax would be nothing
yes, the color with nothing but the actual worst card draw will be able to consistently draw the lands they need against 3 players, one of which being BG.

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Wanna build a Rat tribal deck. Relentless rats seems tempting. Anyone have any thoughts on how many I should use, or if I even should use it?

>>51585370
>I play duel commander so fuck me in the mouth
>I can swing on the first turn without haste

>>51585498
It's expensive in paper for all the copies of relentless rats and it folds to board wipes or any dick that runs nevermore. It's a fun deck though just you're paying a pretty heavy fun tax. Viability for your buck it's bad.

>>51585529
So you think just leave it out?

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>>51585115
>>51585477
Rebecca Guay art tribal? (best artist)

Here's mine.

>>51576734
>>51583683
>all this salt
that's why I play edh

>>51585477
Nah, Selvala Returned group hug and token making deck

>>51585550
I haven't looked into rats tribal late but to fill their spots you'd have to run all the janky rats. If you have a super casual playgroup it's not a problem but relentless rats is literally what makes marrow-gnawer work.

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>>51585468
>is it because you had to cherrypick one nonlegendary creature
Fine. How about Gray Merchant of Asphodel? Maybe Undead Warchief? Malignus? Consuming Aberration? None of those should be a mach for the mighty Ishkanah, to say nothing of Ulrich, a well known EDH powerhouse.

>specific circumstances of EDH would be a good commander?
Well, it's the only actual format with commanders, so what exactly is YOUR point.

>>51585484
Have you never seen an Isamaru deck? It's the same idea with a much better commander. Not top tier to be sure, but certainly better than any of the decks led by anyone in that picture.

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>>51585562
Nope, mostly a coincidence. If that were the case Kaysa would have been the choice.

Last hint.

>>51585562
Darien, King of Kjeldor

>>51585785
Mono green with Mirri

>>51585550
have rr fill the gap for creatures, like maybe 1/3 or 2/3 of total creatures. you can sac the rats that cost lower and have etb effects so you dont need to sac a rr.

>>51585723
Doggy is not as good as Ishkanah, and Serra's ascendant would, if anything, be about as good as Ishkanah. Evreryone else on that picture is trash, but ishkanah is in good colors and has the makings to be a not-very-good combo deck.

And not-very-good combo decks match up well with voltron-deck-in-a-shit-color.

>>51585723
>Fine. How about Gray Merchant of Asphodel? Maybe Undead Warchief? Malignus? Consuming Aberration? None of those should be a mach for the mighty Ishkanah, to say nothing of Ulrich, a well known EDH powerhouse.
How about Child of Alara? How about Rhys the Redeemed? Any of the enchanment gods? You're so desperate to point out some of the weaker legends and stronger normals as though that somehow proves that as a whole, legendaries aren't objectively superior to normal spells. But they are. That's why they're legendaries in the first place.

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>>51585832
Close but it is Jedit. Mirri could easily be switch for it though.

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>>51585896
>weaker legends
>stronger normals
>objectively superior to normal spells
>objectively
That word gets so many dumb people in trouble, it aughta be banned. If legends were *objectively* better, I wouldn't be able to point out any stronger normal cards or weaker legends. Because that's how words work. You moron.

>>51585987
it's very cute that you try and play the intellectual when you can't even read
protip: "as a whole" is the qualifier that makes the sentence true

>>51585896
>legendaries aren't objectively superior to normal spells. But they are. That's why they're legendaries in the first place.

Wut. That's not why they are legendary. Legends have historically been legendary for 2 reasons: flavor and having unfavorable rule interactions if you get more than one out.

After the popularization of EDH, they started tailoring legends to the format and making them more "build around" these are the legendary cards that top competitive builds use.

>>51585987
how's this for an example: Hound of Isamaru is the only 1 cmc 2/2 with no qualifiers to it
but it's not objectively superior, amirite?

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>>51586017
Holy shit, do you read what you type before posting? Because that's EXACTLY what that proves. Legends are not, as a whole, better than non-legends because there are some really bad legends and some really good non-legends. Keep digging that hole, you're totally starting to look like you know what you're talking about.

>>51586106
>posting a good card to show legendaries are bad
man you're trying really hard aren't you
it's sad to watch

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>>51585115
Each is for a different commander, HINT : one is colourless, one is WUBRG

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>>51586160
>Exava
>Good
It's fine. You were wrong. Admitting it looks better for you.

>>51586167
Piston Sledge for Hope of Ghirapur?

>>51586192
>Exava
>Bad
It's fine. You were wrong. Admitting it looks better for you.

See? I can do it too.

>>51586245
>Living Plane has almost been bought out everywhere.

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>>51586218
correct, correct! Here's some secret tech from a deck I had shelved for a bit while I was working on my no-and-five color commanders. It's pretty obvious, desu.

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>>51585115

>>51586372

Holy fuck. You best be running cards like Energy Chamber, Coretapper, Power Conduit, and Surge Node with that bad boy.

>>51586372
>>51586218
>>51586441

My playgroup is getting super into tiny leaders atm. Looks like I've found the perfect cards to build around

>>51586540
I thought Tiny Leaders died because it became a Solved format?

>>51586569
It pretty much is, but it seems like a lot of people have yet to figure that out. Let them have their fun.

>>51586372
Vorel?

>>51586569
>it became a Solved format?

The hell does this even mean?

>>51586765
the meta is never changing and is essentially playing with and against the same 5 net decks.

Example is Modern.

>>51586765
It means the best strategy for winning the most games has already been discovered, and nothing has changed that playstyle since.

>>51586813
That isn't to say the format can't be played or has no value in casual play. But if someone really want's to win there is a "correct" deck or decks to play.

>>51586291
Nature's Revolt is a pretty solid substitute

>>51586167
Storm Caludron for Madnath?

>>51586441
Don't forget unwinding clock, doubling season, contagion clasp, contagion engine, inexorable tide, þe commander herself, Atraxa.

>>51586540
If you're looking for extra turns, might I also suggest time sieve?

>>51587452
>>51586705
Good cards, but not quite.

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What is the most "azorius" card?

What about the other guilds?

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>>51587874
runner up goes to render silent

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>>51587874
izzet

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>>51587874
Golgari imo

>>51588132
>>51587874
or sphinx's revelation
damn RTR was stacked for UW

>>51583174
>>What about Hidetsugu is Marxist-Leninist?
not necessarily marxist leninist but hidetsugu's entire shtick is telling other players not to fuck with him or he will kill everyone with weapons of mass destruction, including himself. very similar to USSR/russia imo

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>>51587874
Orzhov

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>>51587874
Rakdos

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>>51587874
Gruul

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>>51587874
Simic

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>>51587874
Selesnya

>>51588688
maybe, I think of orzhov of more of a extort taxes kinda think
reanimation is a big golgari thing, like dredge and graveyard manipulation

>>51588990
What do you think Debtor's Knell is? The eternally indebted continue to serve Orzhov long after their corporeal bodies have wasted away.

>>51581652
Cool alter, except for that purphoros is nazi.
Blitzkrieg.

>>51586245
What if I have Sulfuric Vortex out? Checkmate, atheists