Warhammer 40,000 General

The storm has gathered and will soon culminate into a cataclysm of biblical proportions! Supreme Overlord Asdrubael Vect will rise above the lies of the followers of Ynnead and herald the climax of this galactic disaster!

First for the Dark Kin! First for the True Eldar! Long live the Eternal City!

Fracture of Biel-Tan formations/spoilers when?

imperial knights are stronger than riptides

>>51566952
GS2 epub w h e n

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How do I take exalted sorcerers to make them good, or possibly even fun?

>>51566978
lol

>>51566952
6th for eldar is anime cancer

>>51566978
This is a well know fact since the day O'shaserra was almost killed by knights in the house Terryn homeworld

>>51567041
Tau are far more anime cancer than Eldar ever could be.

how many points is a steel legion squad? i cant find information on it

>>51567058
>two wraithcannons
>solitare moving 12" on foot ap2 naruto dagger 3+ invul

T. Eldar player

So if I wanted to strip my noob-painted Dark Vengeance DA (my only DA), are they going to be of use as the Fallen now?

Why are people at game stores such huge faggots to me because I play tau? Stop crying retards. You all have a psychic phase and all sorts of other faggotry. So what if I use 2 riptides and stormsurges? You faggots bring imperial knights and psykers. Deal with it nerds

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quick, post badly designed centerpiece models

Reminder that savages should remain on 4chan
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/716548.page#9181105

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Hey lads, shovel me some steaming hot opinions for a second.

What edition of warhammer 40k was the best edition?

Best fluff, best rules, best gameplay.
And explain why.

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>>51567093
>giant mecha
>literal anime protagonist characters
>the """"""good guys""""""
>openly inspired by anime t. fluff writers
nice try taufag

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>"We have come you" for spoke the marine, in the spookiest voice he could
>As he spoke the Night Lord fondled his hedge clipper impatiently
>"But first let me play you the song of my legion!"
>WUB WUB WUUUUUUB! WUB WUB wub Wub
>The anon before him fell to his knees
>"Stop please, I beg you! Its so shit!"
>The Night Lord sparked the throttle on his hedge clipper, its throaty roar merely added to the cacophony of shit musical taste
>"Kill Me, Kill Me now! I can't stand it anymore!" Screamed anon
>"Another metal head anon." wept the Night Lord, his tears half drowning him in his helmet
>The hedge clipper made short work of anon. But soon other anons heard the shit music
>And the cycled repeated

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>>51567162

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Today I had a 1500 point game with Space Marines against Genestealer cults, and I lose by a mere two victory points. Unlike all of my games nothing of statistic improbability happened but it was still fun

Some highlights
>Predator executioner blown up turn one, robbing me of most of my anti-tank
>Patriarch and genestealer bodyguards weren't relevant until turn 3 where they got a 6 on cult ambush to fucked shit up
>Magnus periled himself to death summoning
>I actually killed everything he summoned except for 5 genestealers
>Rifleman dreadnought did not die all game, despite walking in front of 3 lascannons and an autocannon to score 2 victory points, 11-13
>Warlord did not die, for once
>Sergeant Kickass almost killed the patriarch, but died before he could inflict any wounds
>The floor was not wiped with my army, and I ended the game with a decent number of models on the table
>A lone Genestealer Acolyte spent turns 2-5 running away, very entertainingly
The man of the game was my Chaplain dreadnought, pictured here missing an arm, who made a 9" charge to blow up a Leman Russ Vanquisher and then wiped out a squad sitting on an objective to score me a victory point, before dying.

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>>51567195
Sure, but isn't it fascinating that I find so much Anime-inspired Imperium fanart?

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>>51567210
10/10

>>51567245
>fanart
40k fans are faggot weebs, now you know.

someone the other day was telling me that taking signature systems on a commander with the Tau is the far better route to go than to have an ethereal. Despite me being a fan of its bonuses that it provides.

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Post your dudes tell of your dudes exploits!

>>51567180

7th

>>51567195
>stormsurge
>only one d weapon
>wraithknight
>jump gargantuan with two wraith cannons
>BS 4

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>>51567210
My Nostraman.

>>51567242
*Magus periled himself to death
whoops

>>51567210
>NL will never get chain glaives in 40k

I'd take a squad of melee chosen and glaives any day of the week if I could.

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>>51567258
Sure, and I accept that. But the vast majority of the weeby fanart is not of the weeby faction.

>>51567180
Rogue trader

>>51567295

Why do you say that?

Anyone have a codex for Raven Guard?

>>51567268
The main reason I would agree is that an Ethereal is more squishy and likely to give up a Victory point. Doubly so if it's your warlord.

I personally run a Cadre Fireblade as my HQ. Less of an area buff, but still cheap and less vulnerable.

>>51567277
Stormsurge can push out 6 D shots per turn. Sure you need 6 markerlights to get any good out of them but still. Enough to annihilate almost any single target in this game with slight luck.

>>51567286
Why not just run them as Chain axes?

>>51567242
What the hell was Magnus doing with genestealers?

>>51567174
Honestly there's no reason to buy this shit model. Just buy the forgeworld one.

It's like they decided to throw out the whole roman style on him and goes for spikes for no god damn reason.

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>>51567271
Damn phone!

>>51567311
You mean 4.

>>51567340
4 missiles + 2 from main cannon.

>>51567311
Four one use

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>>51567318

Because chain axes aren't +1S Ap3 rending?

>>51567334
The only reason I can think of to get it is for Chaos conversions, and that really is because he's covered in swirls and spikes and they made him the size of a Daemon Prince.

Even his left arm is super reminiscent of a Helbrute.

We don't have any info on the gathering storm II formation yet do we? I have about 1500 points of DE and I'm not sure if I wanna spend money on the book, models and then get some craft world Eldar also.

>>51567366
I think he was taking about the model, because he thought you were worried about not being able to use 30k glaive-wielders for fear of fluff.

>>51567360
That would imply people take the piddly-range D shotgun.

>>51567378

Just put the Magnus head on and get rid of the ultra-marine shit and it would be perfect.

>>51567399
..True, you got me there.

Everytime I borrow my friends Tau I take Stormsurge with it and go full all out offensive. SS wins most melees with stomps anyway.

>>51566530

You can give the whole mob FNP, Fearless and +1WS just with HQ additions. It also increases the effects of some Warlord traits like Infiltrate, rerolling 1's for units within 12" of Warlord, etc. Plus with Sanctic Daemonology you can give the whole unit a 6++ save and/or +2 Strength.

You can also charge multiple units in a single turn if you feel like it.

It's got a fair bit of hitting power thanks to up to 10 Power Klaw nobs hidden in it.

There's also the psychological warfare element. Laying down 100+ Orks in a single unit that spans the whole deployment zone can make some opponents worried. The Tide tends to soak up firepower, letting your other units like MANZ close the distance on the flanks.

That's not to say its the be all and end all. Being all one unit means the enemy can just focus their firepower on it, and there are some sickeningly good anti-horde weapons out there. It can also be effectively tarpitted by units like Bloodthirsters.

But if you want to use Boyz, it's really the only effective way to do it.

>>51567411
Yeah. File off the kneepad, fix the shoulder pad, ditch the purity seals, give it whatever chaos head you want, and add spikes to taste.

>>51567388

Ah. I was actually contemplating fluffing them as lightning claws. LC are specialists and glaives 2h so neither get the bonus attack, their both ap3, and I get shred instead of +1s and rending.

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>>51567399

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>two weeks ago roll three Tzeentch dice rolling three threes
>Today take my bloodsplatter Khorne dice and roll four fours
The fall is subtle

I just dont see the whole chaos thing people are saying about his armour and also he doesnt even seem that big probably about dreadnaught sized at most.i rather like the way he looks Tbh

Have I been playing my melee wrong? I watched a batrep for nids vs tau and I see this guy in melee vs tau and the broadsides had like 4 melee strikes(basically 2 each). Is there anything that specifies that I get more than just 1 attack in melee? I dont exactly get how melee truly works other than I am supposed to lose every time

>>51567552
It's the A under the profile of your units. Most battlesuits have 2 attacks, with some having 3.

Does anyone have rules for Yncarne?

>>51567574
so melee is actually based off of the assault. Oh I thought that only applied to my shots. Didnt realize that it was for ALL of my attacks. FYI I just started in december. So as long as it says assault 2 then I get 2 hits in melee? Now that is only if it says assault right?

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Post yfw Gulliman is actually Alpharius

>>51567613
The rulebook explains all this. Your ranged weapons don't effect the amount attacks you get in the assault phase.

>>51567613
No. Not the shooting profile. The profile of the unit. You know, where it has wounds, toughness, leadership, all that?

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>>51567620
I play Tau. I don't really care who wins the gue'la civil war.

>>51567663
But don't you want to be on good terms with the King of the Space Marines?

>>51567649
oh WHOOPs, well I was glaring over that and now it makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

>>51567680
If Guilliman wasn't around for the rise of the Tau, what do you guys think his reaction will be to finding out about having blueberries growing in the backyard?

>>51567696
didn't mean to reply to >>51567680
My bad.

>>51567180

3rd
After that they basically fucked everything up.

>>51567608

Haven't seen them yet. Or the new psychic table

>>51567696
Probably a bit of confusion as to why they didn't wipe them out sooner, followed by understanding as they pull up the big chart showing Tyranid Hive Fleets, Necron Uprisings, and how many Black Crusades there have been.

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I made a thing. It's probably bad, but it's probably fun.

Newb questions:

Why is 1850 such a common point limit for armies in 40k?

Which edition of the game was the best?

>>51567748
Cuz

subjective

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>>51567663
You better get more of that glorious greater close combat ready. Soon I, Emperor of Mankind will challenge your leading """""""""people"""""""" to contest of drinking, eating, fistfighting, killing Necrondragons with your bare hands and such.
Prepare yourself.

>>51567210
As the person who has been posting night lord theme song posts, you had me crying.
10/10 funny

>>51567748
>Why is 1850 such a common point limit for armies in 40k?
Because tournament faggots

>Which edition of the game was the best?
Objective answers that usually lean towards whatever edition they started with. Personally, 4th was fun, but I loved playing 5th edition.

>>51567752

Alright.
What was your favorite edition?
Did the rules used to be better in older editions?

Does anyone have that photoshopped Guilliman>emperor conversion? My google-fu is weak.

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>>51567672
It seems to make little difference in the grand scheme whether the the baseline dogmatic cultists or aberrant mutant cultists win. Though we've had more peace with the Emperor-cultists than the mutation cultists, we've had more war as well.

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>>51567797

so as a newbie it feels like 750 to 1000 points is the sweet spot for the game in many cases aside from trying to field a ton of units and huge faggotry. Would this be an OK observation?

Does anyone have a pdf or link to a mega with the pdf for building a lord of skulls? Thanks

>>51567861

Cheers!

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>>51567863

I love 1000pt games. That's all my old shop ever played, and we had a blast. In my experience, 750-1250 is the best size of game, with 1500 being a good top end, especially in a more casual meta.

>>51567718
we got the leak for the psychic powers but not the formations or new characters. there's a couple of chances to regain health on the new characters. the new ability soulburst may have made them too powerful.

>squad of wyches next to scatterbikes
>wyches get wiped but scatterbikes get a free shooting turn in the enemy shooting phase

https://imgur.com/a/dbR41

>>51567955

>scatbikes
>not wraith guard

>>51567955
Going to be interesting to see what ends up in that formation that lets the whole formation soulburst.

>>51567057

Why is the Terryn homeworld within the Tau Empire?

>>51567972
don't wanna rape the lgs all at once and give them a small measure of hope. also we get ulthwe black windriders and they're bound to be good

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Blood Bowl 40K when?

>>51566978
I don't think anyone ever claimed otherwise.

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Not a great painter by any stretch but here's my test Wraith Guard/general scheme.

>>51568050

why is it so far from the camera, rat?

>>51567063

they are an infantry squad

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>>51568050

>>51567982
We've already seen it from the WD.
pretty sure its the 2 units of wyches, 2 units of guardians, and 2 units of harlequins formation.

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>>51568093

No - I'm not a good enough painter to justify any level of effort in photographing my stuff.

>>51568069

Here's a closer shot

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>>51567245
You looking for some anime inspired tau fanart then?

>>51567093

>Anime invented moving fast

Why was Tolkien such a weeb?

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>>51568131
Oh my fucking god burn it and trash it right the fuck now

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What should I do with those girls?
Are stormbolters of any use on the meta?
They cost +5 ppm and I can stack up to 5 in a Dominion Squad and get Ignore Cover from AoF but it does not look like more effective than regular bolters...

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>>51568122

>any level of photography

I'm not a master photographer. I took and cropped this picture on my phone.

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>>51568152
y tho?

>>51568158
Eh, Storm bolter Dominions wouldn't be the worst thing. Not as great as a melta squad, but they can keep their range more easily than regular bolters can.

Good for taking out cover-camping infantry blobs, for example. Also less need of a transport thanks to slightly longer range.

No Genestealer Cult in the top 8 of the LVO.

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>>51567210

Five stars.

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Neat. A good 3rd party Keeper of Secrets soon.

>>51568158

Dominions are for meltas. Don't waste it with SBs. Make some cheap command squads out of them. You have 8 of them, so you can take 2 squads with FnP.

>>51568148
>Ever wonder why the Calaquendi never bothered conquering Hildórien?
>That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Wainriders and their chariots of destruction

>>51567318
Because Night Lords can't run the only unit that can take chain axes.

Post yfw Gulliman's rules are way better than Magnus'.

>>51568033
When you use 40k models kitbashed with current blood bowl.
Now fuck off.

>>51568263
Might want to double check the rules there

>>51568224
WE's got a Magnus knock off.

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Predictions on who is going to win LVO? Top 8 to the left.

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>>51568311
Seems like it would only work for a 30k Magnus.

>>51568324

I've watched Brandon play a couple times, he's fucking unloading on people. I honestly don't think he's going to drop a game. Matt Root wins ITC overall but Brandon probably takes the LVO.

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So Ynnead's a she right?

>>51568307
Okay, characters and sergeants can take chain axes too, but not in any real number and it's especially fucking retarded to give that to them.

>>51568324
My money is on Matt Root. Just based on consistency.

>>51568333
Trips indicate yes Anon.

>>51568329
>Magnus is a daemon prince
>he can choose his appearance as he wishes
It works, anon.

>>51568333
It's a xhe. :)

>>51568333

Referred to as a he in WD.

>>51568324
Any way to see the breakdown of each of their lists?

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>>51568333
With an ass like this, she better be

>>51568324

Absolute 2 best parts of this are:

>No GSC in top 8

Baby's first auto-pilot couldn't get the job done and I'm glad.

>No Geoff Robinson

That guy is a douche. I watched his game against Matt Root - what a fuck head.

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I just got into Adeptus Mechanicus, how does this 1850pt general list look?

>>51568372

They're going to post them on FLG's website tonight. You can also download the Best Coast Pairings app and check them out there.

>>51568382
>That guy is a douche. I watched his game against Matt Root - what a fuck head.
What'd he do?

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>>51568301

>>51568379
Lol faggot, checking out dude ass in leather
>But it looked like a girls
Keep on repressing those gay feelings, anon!

>>51568384
Drop serpenta, get a conversion field for the Dominus.

Give the Onagers the same weapon, drop the manipulator to make points if need be.

Other than that, looks pretty good. Some fags will tell you the arquebus isn't worth it, but while it's true it's the worst special weapon you get, it's far from worthless it also looks fucking baller

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>>51568409

>>51568409
>implying they're repressed

PLaying Deamons, got a prince, a skull cannon, twp heralds of khorne, unit of blood crushers, 20 blood letters and 10 plague bearers. Anywhere to go next?

>>51568396

The amount of nit picking and arguing over really small shit. I get it, its a big tournament and you think you're real good but fucking A - calm down.

At one point he basically told Matt Root that since he modeled his Knight's Battle Cannon aiming down he couldn't draw LoS with it even though if it was modeled as normal there would be 0 question. Overall he just came off as a super competitive dick head - the kind of guy /tg/ thinks populates the top tables at a tournament.

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So I'm going to a bachelor party and I need an army.

No really.
I played 40k RPG, and have sort of admired tabletop, but have never got into it. Friend wants to play table top all day for his bachelor party. I want to be a bro, but don't really have time to learn enough to pick an army.

Could someone just throw together a 1000 point list for me that won't be embarrassing? They're going to let me proxy since I don't have shit. I was thinking Blood Angels? Would it be uncouth to just be generic marines? I don't really care, but played a blood angel in a long running rpg game.

>>51568436
>the kind of guy /tg/ thinks populates the top tables at a tournament.
He might, if he gets through with the rule-lawyering.

>>51568440
Want surgical tool or blunt force?

>>51568452

Fortunately he placed 50th so he was nowhere near contention.

Some other super interesting things - Lawrence from TTT placed 9th with pure Dark Eldar which is tremendously interesting.

>>51568158

This is 1465pts

>HQ
Veridyan

>Elite
Command squad
Storm Bolter x3
Dialgus w/ Desvalle's Holy Circlet
Hospitalliar
Immolator w/Heavy Bolter

Command Squad
Storm Bolter x5
Immolator w/Heavy Bolter

>Troop
Battle Sisters x5
Flamer, Heavy Flamer
TLMMolator

Battle Sisters x5
Flamer, Heavy Flamer
TLMMolator

>Fast
Dominion x5
Melta x4
TLMMolator

Dominion x5
Melta x4
TLMMolator

>Heavy
Retributers x10
Heavy Bolter x4
Simulacrum

Exorcist
Exorcist

>>51568477
>9th with pure Dark Eldar
What the fuck
I want to see this list right now

>>51566991
Take 3 of them with Ahriman, for like 1000 points, and hope for the best.

>>51568474
Surgical I guess?

>>51568489

It's competitive deldar, anon, You take a corpse Theif claw and 400 venoms.

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>>51568440
No one's going to judge you for your first game anon

>>51568431
Which god do you prefer? Looks like khorne, but worth asking. Also, what is your meta like and how competitive do you want to be? Flesh hounds of Khorne are worth getting 20 of so you can run a max sized squad with a herald to buff them, soul grinders are very good and your only anti-air. Any greater daemon is a good addition.

>>51568431
greater daemon of your choice, soulgrinder, burning chariot if you're feeling risky.

>>51568409
if it looks sexy, fuck it.

>>51568489

My apologies - is Dark Eldar primary with Eldar allied, his list just updated. its a Real Space Raiders detachment (1015 pts) and an Eldar CAD (835 pts).

Lhamean - Venom
5x Warriors - Venom
5x Warriors - Venom
6x Reavers - 2x Caltrops, 2x Blasters
6x Reavers - 2x Caltrops, 2x Blasters
6x Reavers - 2x Caltrops, 2x Blasters
6x Reavers - 2x Caltrops, 2x Blasters
6x Reavers - 2x Caltrops, 2x Blasters

Jetbike Farseer
3x Jetbikes - Scatter Lasers
3x Jetbikes - Scatter Lasers
3x Jetbikes - Scatter Lasers
3x Jetbikes - Scatter Lasers
3x Jetbikes - Scatter Lasers
Skatch Knight - 2x Inferno Lance, Shunt Generator

>>51568494
Should I take any upgrades on them? I'm guessing that discs are a must for all?

>>51568557
Ah, that explains it then

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>>51568557
Your raised my hopes and dashed them quite expertly.

>>51568566

2 Magnuses in the top 8 (nearly identical lists).

>>51568597

The app got me, only loaded page 1 of his list at first.

>>51568506
Go with two boxs of tempestis scions or the deathwatch start collecting boxs. Scions, although more expensive, bring the bullshit to anyone who doesnt shit spam heavy bolters like every faggot IF player.

>>51568621
>people spamming heavy bolters

What game are you playing? Man, I WISH heavy bolters were worth spamming.

>>51568531
Actually, I was looking at trying to balance it. The reason why I have so much Khorne is because I bought a discounted start collecting box that got Messed up at my local store.

>>51568621
>Scions, although more expensive, bring the bullshit to anyone who doesnt shit spam heavy bolters like every faggot IF player.
Anon, what meta are you playing in? Because if HB spam is the worst problem sign me up, sounds great

Anyone know where to grab the latest advent callender shit

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What do you guys think of my 2k tourney list?

You have to subtract 15 points from the prince because he cant be a demon of a god. The other 210 points are for a chaos fire raptor with reaper autocannons.

The basic idea is the demonprince is going to be converted from robutt girlyman, and he will be attached to the terminators and the other chaos character from the lost and damned. With mindveil he wont need wings, and his unit will get to go with him. There are tons of units, so nobody is getting warlord till I am tabled. I have tried the alpha legion formation, but it is too restrictive to build a tough list, and +1 to bring a cult unit back is not such a huge deal. Turn one shrouded loss kind of hurts, but not as much as the restrictions it puts on you. And if I play GSC I can just bubblewrap everything instead of infiltrating my 13 units. Any glaring weaknesses you see?

>>51568633
Two people I play against at my local GW play IF sternhammer strike forces, and spam the hell it of heavy bolters with tank hunter re-rolling to hit.

>>51568382
You dont like fat damon?

>>51568484
>Dialgus w/ Desvalle's Holy Circlet
what?

>>51568702
It's a relic from Fall of Cadia. He's memeing you, you can't take that relic without also taking Celestine.

>>51568701

Not at fucking all.

>>51568667
What the fuck, do you play DE or some shit? Those lists are garbage.

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How's this list

>>51568728
Seems okay.

>>51568559
Seer's bane seems legit on one of them. Make him roll on biomancy and if he gets to the enemy then its dead.

>>51568726
Scions and Iron Warriors.

>>51568761
Have you tried using more Valkyries, or like a single Helbrute?

>>51568715
They can also be taken without Celestine if the character is in the Wrathful Crusade Formation or the Castellans of the Imperium Detachment.

You're right that it's still illegal in this case, though.

>>51568728

It's not awful but it's not amazing?

>>51568786
>>51568743
Any weaknesses?

>>51568783
Or just outranging his bolters with your own Tank Hunting autocannons?

>>51568760
Are the mastery level upgrades and discs worth taking?

>>51568783
Not going to lie. Built my army out of get started sets for the scions. And I normally run one, who gets ignored as he runs up the board, because AV11 box's are better targets. Plus the occasional Melta

>>51568440
>Getting embarrassed for playing something you have never played before
>Your friend having a bachelor's party that only appeals to him
I know it's his party, but this is why drinking and strippers normally work better.

>>51567989
Tau got cocky and tried to turn the head of house Terryn into the greater good, old bastard too cunnig for mumbling xenos saw through their false lies and knew they came for his planet at gun point, he called them out for their implications and treats letting them go with a warning to never com back
>agrellan happened
>the head of house Terryn offers his planet for the counter attack
>tau came in pursuit too full of themselves
>almost everyone dies and O'shaserra have to be forcefully removed
>all tau left behind slaughtered to a man
Tau are nothing without their plot armour, they were literally killed when the imperials lured them using hit and run tactics.

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>>51567271
played a 30k game with my new world eaters against dark mechanicum on thursday. got my ass handed to me by giant unpainted/unprimed robots. does anybody else build their army up to 1850/2000/2500 with a single list then move on to another problem? I'm not a fan of hoarding tons of the same army.

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>>51568660
I guess people are sick of seeing nothing but traitor legion lists

>>51568908

I love it when Imperial-fags have the audacity to complain about plot armour.

>>51568784
>>51568715

Huh, thought they applied to anyone who could ecclisiarchy relics.

Add Celestine and 10 Seraphim with hand flamers and a VSS w/Melta bombs then, that's another 385pts to put you to 1850 exactly.

>>51568889
...is it bad that i wanna hire some strippers to play strip 40k at my bachelor party?

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>>51568951
>When adults argue which of their factions in a game made for children are the most favoured
Kek

>>51568889
I'm the only one that's not a tabletop nerd. Everyone else has several armies. It's not really that weird for our group.

>>51568983
>When things in your imagination don't work out as well in real life

>>51568992

Where do you think you are?

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>>51568918
yes it is the best way to play

>>51569027
I only follow what you see is what you get, I use my semi painted Iron Warriors as pretty much anything but TS and Beserkers(because who plays Plague marines with Death guard out now?)

Quick question /tg/.

I've got a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh who has the Lash of Despair, a weapon that is S (user) and 2d6 attacks with no AP value. However, the Prince is a monstrous creature with smash, so all his attacks have AP 2.

Do his lash attacks have AP 2, or is that only for attacks he makes with his bare hands?

>>51569104

Is Lash a melee attack?

>Yes
Then Smash applies

>No
Then Smash doesn't apply

>>51569104
all attacks made by MCs are AP2 IIRC
uts been a minute since i used a daemon prince

>>51569104
Is it ranged or a CCW?

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>>51569027
thanks for that pic, that pretty much sums up my attitude with 30k the past year, this game is WAYYY too time intensive to build and paint new toys for every army.

>>51568960
You could try and make that argument, but Fall of Cadia defines how you can take those relics.

Friends
I want to add some Raven Guard allies to my Guard army. Should I take a Rhino or a Drop Pod? Recommendations if I want to also use it as a Kill Team from time to time?

>>51569151

Yea, I know. That's why I said to add Celestine + Seraphim to bring the list to 1850. Otherwise, drop the relic, and make two squads of 4 SB+FnP.

By the way, that squad is only 90pts, which isn't that bad really.

>>51569166
Post rest of list.

>>51569166
>>51569199
Cancel that suggestion
Take captain in power armour
Assault termies SS/TH
Tac Squad in pod
Leviathan Dreadnought in pod

Right up in their face

What are some quick changes that can be made to GWs kill team to make retarded shit more balanced?

Grenades are an easy fix by making them one use only. I was thinking about also adding a Grenadier specialist that gets unlimited.

Hordes are harder, and I think the easiest way to do it would be to give all models reaping volley. Maybe use a Ld test and you get a target for each shot, but you have to chose the closest enemy model or something.

>inb4 HoR

I'm using it as a stepping stone to get new players, and I don't want to have to teach them HoR rules, then reteach them 40k rules.

>>51569125
>>51569132

12 inch range. But a whip is a melee weapon, right?

Is it treated like a gun for this purpose?

>>51569166
as a guard ally i recomend drop pods, kill team is def a rhino

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>>51569225

I don't know, anon. Is it a melee weapon?

>>51569225
If it's being used as a gun it counts as a gun.
A bolt pistol doesn't become strength 4 ap 5 when a guardsman uses it in close combat just because that's what its ranged stats are, and vice versa.

>>51569216
Meant captain in tactical Dreadnought armour

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>>51569137
no worries
rip and tear brother

>>51569225
It's not a melee weapon, so unfortunately no AP shots. It could though be great at clearing tar pits.

>>51568798
It's a bit fragile. Hardiest thing you have is the Fire Prism, which is also your main source of anti-tank firepower. A single Land Raider Crusader will cause massive problems.

>>51569251
Damn. That's what I get for using third party resources.

Well, thanks anons.

I want to build some choppy Tau. If I ally celestine in, my Shas'vre gets access to her relics. BRB says that when a melee weapon isn't specified, infantry is basically considered to automatically have a CCW.

So can I count that CCW as a melee weapon to be replaced by the Blade of the Worthy?

>>51569251
>Lash of Khorne
>Even the thickest armour
>Thickest
>AP2

>>51568216
is the LVO over? also not surprised really, too many models and just too dependent on the right dice rolls

>>51569326
>So can I count that CCW as a melee weapon to be replaced by the Blade of the Worthy?

No, that "count as CCW" only happens during an assault.

>>51569329
>Slice a man in two, the thickest armor provides no protection
>Cuts through 2+ armor
Checks out, boss

>>51569326
>choppy tau

still gonna get your ass beat by any competent melee fighter

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>>51569326
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51568324
Mah boi Damn Daniel

>>51569364
I think he's just building it for... fun, anon.

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>>51568951
>wah! wah! they have plot armour because tau never lose wah!
When you go head first into a knight house homeplanet with Raven guard, white scars and all the catachans that survived surrounded by psychic mist that blocks your instruments tends to be a huge gamble just go trough it, let alone the ambush and gotta go fast chapters plus more knights than you can handle.

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>tfw no 40k gf

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>>51569379

>>51569364
That's what happened to me when I did melee Guard. I decided it was better to have Jacobus/Straken for Counter-Attack and instead of going melee I just went for rapid fire then waiting to be charged.

>>51569387
I like for fun units and for fun lists, it's just a lot less fun when the units don't do anything other than die.

>>51569326
Just don't, crisis suits don't win fights. They are pretty good at surviving the assault, but then they break morale, and get swept

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>>51569404

>>51569387
i don't mean to be rude but it's rather hilarious fighting tau in melee. godspeed to the guy though i like running daemon chariots and double keeper of secrets

>>51569326
Skip that. Take Farsight, Brightsword, and a generic Commander for another Fusion Blade user.

Load up on Crisis suits with no weapons. Throw in some gun drones for pinning and maybe a flamer here or there for more dangerous overwatch.

Add Kroot and Vespid to taste. Take a Shotgun Stormsurge if you want to be a dick.

>>51569397
betcha shes into the cheesedar PENIS

>>51569442
>Brightsword, and a generic Commander for another Fusion Blade user.
You cannot do this. Read the FAQ.

>>51569351
>he doesn't know about the new 1+ armor save

>>51569397
I like how unimpressed the girl looks as the guy desperately tries to win with his Tyranids against her wraithknight

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>>51569347
Meh, worth a shot. Khornate Crisis Suits some other day.

>>51569364
Yeah, but Farsight, Fusion Blades, and Donkey Punch are reasonable.

>>51569379
Blade of the Worthy would have been a nice add. Saint Curia's autopurger would be alright, too.

>>51569442
You can't take Brightsword without the rest of The Eight.
You also can't double up on one-per-army relics.

>>51569472
>I like how disheartened the girl looks as the guy wrecks her tyranids with his eldar

ftfy

>>51569472
b-but anon...what if SHES the nid player :^O

>>51569351
>Implying that AP1 wouldn't be better for the description provided in the codex

>>51569472

The girl is the nid player...

>>51569486
What if you just modeled daemons as crisis suits and fire warriors with samurai swords?

>>51569397
I don't get it, do those two dudes have their girl friends playing on different tables?

>>51569497
>>51569501
>>51569513
She doesn't have the face of resignation a normal Tyranid player have, that's the smug face of an eldar player laughing at the futility of the Tyranid player

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>>51569523

>>51569536
Girls always play Nids.

Are the Dark Angels ever going to get some new shit?

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>>51569397
Where do I meet a boyfriend-free girl who plays 40k?

>>51569584
Cypher literally leaked yesterday

>>51569585

You don't. Girls don't have hobbies, so have to find one the normal way and bring her into it.

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>>51569584

>>51569585
In your imagination

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>>51569597
But then she'll only be doing it to make me happy, not because she enjoys it

>>51569613

Then find one who enjoys it.

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>>51569523
Then I wouldn't be playing Tau.

>>51569523
>>51569547
>Samurai swords
Gross, no thanks. My buddy Blood Angel player is converting up some "11th Legion" dudes with katana. He's also excited to fluff them as working with my Tau, so he's putting katana on some spare firewarriors and painting them in my scheme. I don't know exactly what the plan is.

I'd rather take the WE dual pistol tau and crunch him as this guy >>51569607

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>>51569607
>inb4 cypher gets to terra and shoots the emperor's face in

>>51569597
And then she leaves you for a hobby store owner. It's the circle of nerd Girl friends
>YFW you need a new girlfriend and a new LGS

>>51569623
The trailer teases a 4th, unnamed character.

>>51569607
>Cannot be used in a DA army
Great.
Thanks.

>>51569623
Nice meme.
We all know that his sword is actually a key which will make the golden throne work properly again, meaning we can stagnate the story for another 10 years minus minor events bringing back the other Primarchs.

>>51569645
Is that why he's leading dark angels in the pictures?

>>51569664
If this is true then GW has really lost their minds.

>>51569613
Then settle for one who tolerates it.
My girl plays video and card games but thinks this is the dorkyist shit ever.

>>51569645
Fallen will replace Dark Angels and just to make things square, reclaim the Dark Angels name.

>>51569664
He's leading Fallen, and I'm sure his new rules won't discriminate against Dark Angels like his last rules.

>>51569664
It looks like he leading a group of Fallen.

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>>51569682
>>51569692
Yup. All black armor.

>>51569659
you mean turning the emperor into a chaos god?

>>51569635
The "and terra" part? K no.

>>51569714
Why arent they chaos-y?

And why are they fighting with ultras?

>>51569736
Because the Dark Angels are traitors. The Fallen are loyalists.

probably

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>>51569607
I like the armor but the rest of that model...

Where are these recasters at? I have need for them

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>>51569736
I don't knowwwww? Why might they be hanging out with the Imperium's paragon of virtue?

>>51569762
yoyhammer

Has there been any news at all on the release date of Fires of Cyraxus? It's a shame I saw those teasers so many months ago and it's still got no news at all.

>>51568131
Jesus look at that body. You could shop any head on it and call it hot. That's tau propaganda and in no way representative of their race.
Need to put that horrible female tau head model on it.

>>51569769
Because GW decided to turn their 30 years old setting in a mish mash where two dozen of brave heroes will fight each other for the destiny of the Galaxy.

>>51569723
>For Macragge
>reveal new character
>And caliban
>reveal new character
>And Titan
>reveal new character
>And Terra
>tease storyline

Not saying it's a done deal, but New GW has been pretty tease-friendly.
Their community page reveal even acknowledged that we'd all been looking at "grainy" leaks.

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>>51569804
But I like stupid sexy Tau.

>>51569625
>r9k pls
You're right. Never get a girlfriend because you're too insecure.

>>51567271
A few weeks ago I was playing IG against 'nids and managed to get in Slay the Warlord by having a vet squad bayonet charge his mildly wounded Hive Tyrant. I don't know what the odds of that many sixes and ones being rolled at once, but damn was it awesome. Up until that point I'd been on the back foot, but it looks like the Emperor really does protect.

>>51569760

>The Fallen are loyalists.

Except one of their number that went on to become a Daemon Prince of Chaos.

>>51569826
Taufaggots are truly the worst.

>>51569817
that's because they're going to terra, you idiot

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>>51569804
Here's another Torchstar.

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>>51567620

>>51569625
This is why I've never dated anyone in my groups or at the stores. I also try to avoid dating people who like the same video games as me and same hobbies. Much cleaner relationships and when they break off there's no group destroying.

>>51569397
>girl

>>51569397
I'm 95% sure that's a dude

>>51569788
either march or after 8th edition and/or FUCKING COMBINED ADMECH CODEX

>>51569769

>Cyoher shows up
>Rowboat sees Dark Angels in black armor
>thinks that's still normal
>Cypher introduces himself
>others warn Boat of the Fallen
>why are the dangles green, he wonders
>recognizes sword and makes grumpy face
>requests the aid of the Cypher
>Cypher agrees if he takes him to Terra
>Sure, why not?
>he goes on adventure with the dangles again

>>51569839
They are. Why do you think that is? Half the theories I've heard floating around say Kill The Emperor/Lords of Terra/shut down the astronomicon or whatever.

The other half: Revive the Emperor/Sanguinis/Open Palace Portal for Khan's return. The latter theories could easily result in a new mini.

>>51569881
Or try finding someone you have stuff in common with and you may not have to break up.

>>51569914

At this point, I think they're going to ascend the emperor, open the Webway, and have Sanggy sit on the throne.

>>51569906
I heard that they were waiting for some Admech book, since it's apparently going to combine 30K admech into 40K cult mechanicus....but still, I just want the damn book. After reading Siege of Vraks ages ago, I just want to read another huge spiels about a war for a particular planet, you don't get enough of that in 40k these days.

>>51569910
>others warn Boat of the Fallen
You know that whole plot point of the Dark Angels bending over backwards to find Fallen and kill them? It's precisely because they don't want that information to get out.

And if the Ultramarines knew about the Fallen, you'd bet your ass they'd be knocking on the Dangel's door to find out what the fuck is going on.

The rest of your theory is spot on.

So what exactly do grav weapons "fire,"?

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>>51569393

>The point
>Your head

No one said Tau don't lose you illiterate. Just that Imperials are the absolute last fanbase that get to complain about plot armour.

>>51569881
smart man, dating in the work place means messy relationships

>>51569953
Gravity

>>51569952

That's true. I kinda forgot about that.

>>51569835
Sometimes being an outcast only leaves you with certain options for survival

not everyone can walk the straight path

>>51569953
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYIUyS0Dq9g

i always picture it like this but more focused on how heavy the armor or vehicle is

>>51569949
Excellent

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Fellow Chaos fags, how do you feel about the new lore? I'm personally not sure what to think. I'm so used to us losing that I'm suspicious of the whole winning thing. I fear these early victories are only being written in order to give the "good guys" a reason to feel like their later victory matters. I can only hope that if/when the Crusade fails the Iron Warriors don't suffer catastrophic losses.

>>51569953
Warped Spacetime

>>51569959
it's supposed to be scifi gravity fields which cause the targets armor to become super "heavy" and crush them like tin cans

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>>51569954
People say Tau don't loose all the time.
They can't lose because there are only like four of them and the faction can't take the loss without being wiped out.

>>51569948
How do you think they'll bring back Sang? Or is the thought that the Sanguinar is him?

>>51570002
The only word that can describe the new lore is "Dubstep"

>>51570002
Well duh, they aren't just going to have Abby march to Terra and blow it up or whatever.

Odds are this is going to end with a bunch of new characters, a couple dead ones, and some re-drawn battle lines for the new status quo.

>>51570027
This

>>51568333
Nope, a he, it's in the WD.

>>51569397
Hell, I got into 40K 'cause of my girlfriend

>>51569952
The Grey Knights know about the Fallen and they don't give a fuck. Draigo BTFOs Azrael and friends over it at one point. The new GK dude could have told the Imperial forces about them.

>>51570046
how famy?

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>>51570000
Quadz and a neat clip.

>>51570040
WD explicitly refers to the Yncarne as an "Androgyne".

>>51568660

Alpha Legion princes still get dedicated to a god, they're the only unit in the legion that can do that.

Why do you have a mindveil on a daemon prince though? Cheaper than wings?

>>51570078
fookin sjws

>>51570078
Yeah, but also he.

>>51570066
She had a lot of old codexes from when she used to play that I started reading, and I started watching Text-to-Speech with her

>>51570092
In the end the Eldar made another (s)he.

>>51567334
does the Forgeworld one have a helmet? This is a make or break deal

>>51567271
>long time ago
>first apocalypse battle when it was new
>bring devastators
>plop them in building
>miss almost all my shots except one on a stompa
>that one shot ends up piercing it entirely and destroying it due to constantly rolling 6s
the guy who owned the stompa was laughing his ass off the whole time

>>51570134
Nope

>>51570022

I don't think that Sang is on the throne, though that would be interesting, and the last part of the arc, at least my head canon. I still have a theory that the Golden Throne is actually keeping the emperor from becoming a God, and that the ultimate goal of chaos was to put him in the chair rather than kill him if the Echo couldn't drain him away.

Attack on Terra part 1
>Abaddon arrives on terra
>fights through the custodes
>arrives at the throne room

Attack on Terra part 2
>The Webway opens up beneath the throne
>Superfriends arrive with Khan
>Abaddon rushes to stab Emps with Drych
>Cypher draws the sword and kills the emperor first

Battle for Terra finale
>Emperor ascends before Drych can drain him
>A Golden Light explodes out of the Webway revealing a reborn Sanguinous
>they kill/push back the crusade
>Sangunious takes the throne

>>51568324
>no imperial guard
suffering

>>51570113
kay
now how did you get her as gf?

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Hey yall, anyone got experience with the death company formation? Also do I need the angels blade book to see the formation? I wanna get back into my BA with that death company box but don't know where to start

>Triumvirate of the Imperium
>Triumvirate of Ynnead
>Triumvirate of the Primarch
What will the others be?

>>51570127
Gender: Elf

>tfw watching dawn of war 3 footage
who the fuck is in charge of this shit, they deserve to be fucking sacked

>>51569943
It's not like we didn't have some overlap in interests. I'm just saying, I want my own space, I don't want to have all the same friend groups because we play the same games or share the same hobbies. The relationships failed because other things that would have come up regardless of our interests.

>>51569955
Definitely. It has ruined a group of friends before and I don't want that again.

>>51570174
Just met her taking classes while we were in school

>>51569585
Praise Sonichu

>>51570331
yall normies make it sound so damn easy...

>>51569954
>having literally unlimited soldiers
>like three+ armies composed of super soldiers and/or space sci-fi technology
>a galactic spamming empire with thousands of worlds producing shit
It's not plot armour anon

>>51569397
There's a somewhat cute trap at the GW store I go to. She's pretty funny and is really into the game. Should I test the waters?

>>51570405
What exactly do you think plot armor is? You just explained what their plot armor is.