/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

FOUR HOURS UNTIL THE WEEKENDER BEGINS!

HYPE!

can't fucking wait for info about adeptus titanicus

>every other Legion is the weapon and the Primarch is reserved for only extreme situations
>Space Wolves are just a collective angry delivery system to drop their Primarch into the party and wreck face

why?

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Leave Russ to me!.

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>>51552151
will that be covered here as well. Or is there a stream?

How does this look?

Night Lords Terror Assault - 2000

>HQ
Praetor - Tartaros
Paragon Blade, Lasers, Halo, Trophies, Teleporter

Command Squad x5 - Tartaros
Pair of Claws x2, CF, PF, Axe, Autocanon
Teleporter

Damacles Rhino

>Fast
Dreadclaw

>Elite
Veteran Squad x10 - Machine Killers
Melta x2, Vox, AA+Glaive
Legion Drop Pod

Veteran Squad x10 - Machine Killers
Plasma x2, Vox, AA+Glaive
Legion Drop Pod

Contemptor Dreadnaught
Chainfist, DCC, Grav x2

>Troops
Terror Squad x10
Volkite x10, AA+Glave

Terror Squad x5
Bolters, AA+Glave

Terror Squad x5
Bolters, AA+Glave


The Dread goes inside the Dreadclaw, One of the small Terrors goes in the Rhino, and then the other small one either outflanks or camps an objective.

>>51552173

If someone will stream the twitch stream for us, we can all take part.

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>>51552169

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What the fuck is this thing? The Kharon-pattern Acquisitor?

>>51552197

Yes. The SoS Transport.

Expect better pics in a few hours.

>>51552169

If Angron eats Leviathans for appetizers, then Leman Russ should walk all over them.

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>>51552187
The madman!
He's going to explode!
He's going to be crushed by a giant power fist!
And both will look FABULOUS at it!!!

Does anyone have a list of what force org slot each Talon of the Emperor unit goes with? A lot of the pictures don't include them.

Also thank you to everyone who has posted pictures from Inferno.

SoH/LW anon here possible i could get some help with an orbital assault list? namely in how to use veterans in what ways i should be using veterans in drop pods

Also, do we have any info about the SoH that apparently were part of the Censure Host?

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>>51552208
From the scars point of view he's doing alpharius a favor

IMGURS

titan guard
/a/mG9rp/

Thousand sons
/a/tnSyz/

Space wolves
/a/rAyQq/

Emperor's Talons
https://imgur.com/a/emdin/

Stuff I have opened right now and I've not yet gone through them
https://imgur.com/a/ZMubo
http://imgur.com/a/iBIRP

>>51552206
Russ just has a +2 Str axe with sunder to deal with vehicles. Which is good, but not amazing.

Models in B2B with him suffer -1 to hit though, increased to -2 if they're in B2B for more than one turn. Corax GTFO, we have a new unhittable primarch in town !

>>51552214
>namely in how to use veterans in what ways i should be using veterans in drop pods

What is their role in your army?

Do you need anti-armor? Melta weapons and Machine Killers

Are they killing infantry/big meaty things? Sniper, bare or with Missile Launchers.

Weapon Masters if you want to spice it up but normal vets are good enough vs most troops.

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>>51552232
Lorgarmort you should go out more often.

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>>51552244
You can hit Corax, you cannot shoot him
But you cannot hit Invisible Magnus with -1 to hit either!!

Jesus fuck, Inferno really is OP.
All of it.

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>>51552254

>>51552254

So if they ever do an animated series about the HH, Kingsley must be the voice for Amon, juts like Mark Strong must be Guilliman's voice?

Man, they could have just given Grey Slayers option for special weapons. Combi-weapons cost an arm and a leg.

>>51552282
That's what he gets for bringing MkVII to a 30k game.

>>51552273

You don't have to field Magnus. Hell, you don't even have to take the psyker powers on all your squads.

>>51552282
Beep Boop that makes me fucking hard
Srsly.
900+ posts.
I'm not ready, I won't survive!
>>51552283
Whoever has a good voice, really.
I don't really remember how Kingsley sounds, you know, and faces aren't really tied to voice tones.
I like voices a lot.

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>>51552308
You don't have to bring the sword of double wounding. Hell, you don't even have to take the +1I BA RoW.

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>>51552312

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>>51552308
You don't have to field three Medusae. Hell, you don't even have to use the Ironfire for precision template placing.

>>51552165
really is weird.

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>>51552160
YES! YES! YES!

Bring them tiny titans! I hope they have plans for plastic box set followed by resin titans!

Whats the best choice for TS Terminator CCW? Lightning Claw is cheapest and easiest choice for shredding infantry, but chainfists seems particularly expensive on them.

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>>51552165
explain for those of us who are dumb

>>51552399
TZEENTCH NUMBERS SAY IT TRUE

INFANTRY WHEN?

>>51552407

It seems the whole point of the Space Wolves Legion list is to field meatbags around the Primarch, as opposed to fielding useful supplements which could augment a Primarch. Its quite underwhelming without Russ, actually.

>>51552407
SW are basically loyalist WE with more access to power weapons, their legion rules are ok but their primarch is killy as fuck. Without Russ, who has crappy Sire rules, the Wolves are just average but the sheer killyness of Russ might give them an edge in battle.

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>>51552444
thanks anons

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Am I the only one who thought this when I saw Valdor?

>>51552401
For standard terminators the same applies as for all other legions.

For the TS specific terminators : you give one per 5 a chainfist to deal with vehicles, and keep the Force Weapons on the rest of them. Because ID regardless of tougness is strong af, even if just to deny FnP.

>>51552399
>>51552160

This is from Discord, from an Anon who watched the demo game they did Friday Evening

WARNING:: In coming stream of notes i gathered on Titanicus

Okay first off news that you already heard:
1 box set, enough titans for 2 players, ruleset, dice (including special dice for markers etc) and some terrain (possibly ofc)

Then they'll be booster packs released along side it. Simultaenously they plan and it will include the contents of the box.

I sense this will interlink with the force-org plan for how to play the game. The rule book (intended to accompany the set currently) has some preset force orgs, and they plan to add more in the future.

One example, which i just about manage to hear in passing conversation between FW employee and a fan was the "Myrmidon" (Myrm sometihng for sure) - from the brief glance it was 1 warlord, 2 reavers and 2 warhounds (likely as a minimum) - warhounds themselves can be in units of 1 - 3.

How this intergrates with knights I dont know. Knights are intended to either act as skirmish line/cannon fodder however they are very potent on the flank - if you let a band of Lancers hit your reavers flank you may very well be dead, similar story for Atrapos.

Handling units of Knights will likely be easier than handling Warhounds (if cohenercy is a factor) because Knights have no limitations on how they may maneuver with their arcs. Yes, moving includings rotating if you are a titan. The larger the Titan the slower the turn rate and other such.

I actually wish I brought a trio of knights instead because then I would be able to learn alot more about the game. I'll probably try to bring an aAtrapos and 2 styrix next time they do an event like this. Easier to carry for a start!

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>>51552460
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I CAN'T DEAL WITH THIS ANYMORE!
Auric traitor-removers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocW3fBqPQkU

>>51552470

Speaking of the Styrix - Titan scale Volkite is in! This certainly means the rule is in, no idea if it will be on the true Titans (will find out sunday) but given they wish to expand on the Titan types (No info just yet but its been stated previously) we can expect to find it then. In the past (eg, July iirc) Bligh has been open to adding Volkite weapons to the main stream warhammer titans - apaprently people have asked for Phosphex too but nothing yet.

ONTO THE GAME ITSELF.
Mechanically i was not able to directly play the game but I paid as much attention as I could whilst taking photos, and I think I have a pretty good perception of it. Conceptually its clear as crystal (sans knights but its easy to imagine the game with them)

Imagine titans as something of a giant battleship. Vehicle so vast they have armour differences for each location - Legs are actually quite strong on most titans. This is done because most things a titan fight will be attacking from below and you might imagine that titan vs titan combat, gettingyour leg blown out is badnews.

(The rules are for a certain FW. They even have a similar layout (but a blueish tint instead of red) to the book. The models themselves im not sure, will likely find out sunday)

However, not as bad as getting your fucking face shot up. Which happened on at least two occasions that game.

If your void shields are down, and your hit in the face, you can expect your moderatii to die and your MIU's severed.

A reaver titan may expect to survive about 3 bad hits to the face before being destroyed if memory serves me right (it had also been beaten up bad before)
You may be fearing "oh fuck alphastrike city" but you'd be very wrong (at least if your a titan, not sure on knights as none took part). Multiple reasons for this and I will explain the conceptual part first;

Ranges matter ALOT in this game. First turn only Apoc launchers and Volcano cannons were in range.

>>51552463

>Force Weapons

Oh fuck, now I have to buy a bunch of sword bits for my termies. Fuck this life.

>>51552470
I'm more hyped about this than anything else.

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>>51552460
I keep seeing The Kurgan in Valdor.

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>>51552460
kek

>>51552484
Wouldn't Force Axes work better?

>>51552483
(The titan weapons seen, turbo lasers, plasma blastgun, sunfury plasma annhiliator, laser blasters, melta cannons and inferno guns, all weapons that were not in range turn 1 (aside from one instance of for laser blaster/turbo laser i'll get to that in a moment)

Onto mechanically why: the game is done in phases like 40, however each "turn" each sides roll a D10 (yes the game uses d10s!) for initiative.

The side with the higher initiative activates a titan first.

For example (there weas a phase before this, which was not done in turn one, i;ll check my actual written notes soon) Team 1 moves a warlord titan. Team 2 moves a titan of their choice and so on.

Once all titans are moved, we enter the repair phase, where the tech priest on board will begin to repair any current damage. This can be stuff such as plasma reactors leaking etc. Then its damage control ; are these leaking system causing bad effects? what means are being used to dampen these?

I'll go back to more specifics once i've covered damage because its quite important.
We enter the combat phase after this. Naturally this where (most) the attacking happens.
Titans cannot split weapons without giving an order beforehand (more later). First you roll to hit as per usual however other factors are taken into account; dead moderatii, range (seemed to be for certain weapon types) and cover all adjust these values to hit.

Then, the enemy rolls a void save. This is dependent on how many void shields they currently have operating. Shields tend to become less effective as the game goes on due to systems being damaged and the shields being bombarded so less are operating at one time.

>>51552509
Once the enemy has no shields (or they fail a save iirc) you will begin hitting them.
This is where things get interesting. the old familar D6+Strength, then a bonus if you flanked (there didnt seem to be side armour for each component. Probably for the best otherwise we might have 3 values for each damn piece and there are alot of pieces)

Then your total is compared against the various thresholds for that location. Normal, Critical, Devastating

Normal, obviously, just does damage. Critical and devastating you roll on tables.
These cause additional damage as well as special effects. Devastating ones tend to be permanent - such as a plasma reactor being blown open or a crew member being heavily wounded.

Thats the essence of the game. There are of course specific for deaths of a titan.
One such result is a rather understated "silenced" - crew is dead, perforated beyond function, but stands tall and remains on the board.

Another is "laid low" the titan scatters a short distance, then you roll for the direction it falls

Of course more dramatic explosions exist.
Before all this however (im not sure it applies first turn, it may of just been to help familiaries people with the game to skip it first turn) is Orders Phase.

Each titan has a number of orders. These include: Emergency repairs (bonuses to repairing but you either move, or shoot - you'll actually do alot of moving in this game. ALOT). Stride - immiedately move (iirc) but again, you must either move or fire.

There was one more orders but alas it was not used. OH WAIT. CHARGE.
Charge; move. make immiedate attack.. you may of course make another melee attack later.

>>51552505

They would, but then I would have to buy from FW no I'm not buying Chinese or cut and glue bits together myself.

>>51552517
Melee combat, from what little i've seen is absolutely viable. A reaver punched another 4 times in the face, causing 2 criticals, forcing the enemy titan (which had a chainfist!) to back off like the Treasonous Legio Mortis pussycat it was
(Yeah repair was after move)

So how do you do orders?
Well if your the Princep Seniororous (no idea how to spell bullshit latin), you pass your order automatically everyone else makes d10 command checks.

Fail, and well, many guard players know what happens next; no more orders for that team.

We now also have something familar to Battletech players; heat! In this case its the plasma reactor.

You can boost certain actions by powering up your reactor.
For example movement can be exchanged for a better value that is listed in brackets, special rules of some weapons (for example laser blasters can be used to overpower a shield) can be activated ,some weapons require powering (Belicosa's for example)

Plasma weapons can be outright simply improved using reactor power, though the boosts do not work against void shields because of how these weapons work (so much like tabletop, void shields are countered by chaffire, though some strong weapon types can defeat them)

Another use is boostingyour shields. Declaring power to your void shields (it done per instance of weapon fired, so not like jinking) gives you the ability to reroll 1's.
So one believable tactic is to spook someone into keep overcharging their reactor, eventually they will overload it and bad things happen.

Bad things include the machine spirit trying to throw you off like a pissed off horse, forcing your princep to engage in a Machine-Spirit rodeo via a command check

As I mentioned earlier; titans manuervarability is limited. This includes arcs of rotation - you can charge and rotate btw
I believe thats everything besides some loose change intricasies.

Kek, the Hoplites are powerful as balls- 20 of these guys in an armored conveyor costs 385 points, and the shooting attack alone strips off 11.2 hullpoints from anything it touches.

Not even factoring in the 41 (!) haywire attacks on the charge, it looks like these guys may become the predominate fuck-you to superheavies in the game

>>51552197
That is Shai Hulud

>>51552531
This includes no premeasuring.
Yes, currently premeasuring is not allowed. No weapon uses fantasy cannonball rules currently
If you failed to hit witha blast weapon, you scatter d10 (no direct hit)

Orders that failed - unit carries on as normal.

Voiods do not work in melee - this might be expected.
Overcharging will not (at least as movement goes) cancel your action. Unless of coures your dead.

One order I forgot, that made the game very interesting; First Fire. You fire a single weapon in the order phase, you may not move.

Points cost as per usual are the basis of the game balance (in addition too force org) weapons them selves have specifiic casts
Shields can regen, just like table top.

>End of Transcript

>>51552509
>it's a single unit activation system

YES YES FUCK ME OH YES FORGEWORLD

>>51552249
That's the part i'm not entirely sure about, the one thing I'm trying to keep in my list is a Praetor with Justaerin who will be deep striking with Combi-plas

From there though i'm not sure though. I know veterans have a lot of potential, especially when run as troops with maloghurst, but at bout 2500 points two HQ's seems a bit overkill.

Issue is though maloghurst bring a a huge potential boon and if i did include him, where would he go? Normally cataphractii terminators would be the normal spot for him, but since he can't reliably join any i feel he would slow down a squad.

>Would love to make a veteran like force, but maloghurst seems out of place

Just brain storming out loud

Praetor+Justaerin is about 500
Mal is 140
Vets would be around 250+ per unit
Dreads could be helpful for pressure

>>51552518
Get some terminator thunder hammer and blades of your liking. High Elf or Eldar wraithblade axes might work well with TS.

what the fuck is the point of the yiff terminator unit??? i dont understand, they are like regular terminators but worse

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>>51552550

Its not the weapon bits that the issue, its the arm joints. The only way to get left arms which CCW slots is to buy Forgeworld.

That being said, I'm kind of intrigued by the idea in pic related. Did this guy cut off a power fist bit into a sleeve?

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Adeptus Titanicus sounds like a blast, thanks for the transcript!.

Now I will buy two Basilisks then two Castellax and the rest of the money will go towards AT! TITAN ON TITAN WARFARE FUCK YES!.

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So am I wrong thinking that basically TS dependent entirely on invisibility to make them OP?

In order to make the psychic army work, you have to dump a lot of points into it buying upgrades or spamming lv1 psyker units

You can't have the ICs for auto sucking army so you need to have more than 1 HQ

except for the dreadnought (which is only the normal contemptor talon) all the psyker shit comes from infantry which is prone to dying.

>>51552578
Oh, you're doing Cataphractii.

Ok, what ranged weapons have you thought for them?

>>51552599

Basically every squad can get a buff which makes their job really good. For example, rotor cannon squad with shred hitting on +2, making a shitty weapon pretty gud.

>>51552599
Yes youre wrong.

>>51552548
>I know veterans have a lot of potential, especially when run as troops with maloghurst, but at bout 2500 points two HQ's seems a bit overkill.

2500pts is a ton of points, 2 HQs is ok. Mal can go inside a smaller Vet squad, leave them in reserve to score an objective late game or in your deployment zone.

If you do this and they are your troops I recommend Sniper and keep them basic, use them as better Tacticals and get something else for Anti-Tank, dreads can be an option in that regard.

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>>51552498
Huh, that explains the Dusk Raiders' red arm.

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>Started building TSons a year ago
>Have money put aside for scarab termies and magnus for months
>This shit happens
>already had 2 people from the 30k group in my area say they will refuse to play against thousand sons

>>51552613

Actually I'm doing Tartaros, I just came across that image just now. I'll think about it a little bit.

>>51552635
Don't buy the cheese shit then anon.

If they categorically refuse to play you they're just fuckbuckets anyways.

>>51552599
1ksons seem to be similar to Guard with orders, you pick a squad, give them a power to boost their role and fire away. Theres a ton of possibilities here but I dont think they are OP until you get Magnus because while 1ksons can be deadly they are still marines and shit like basilisks kills them all the same.

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>>51552634
yes its interesting what things use to be

>>51552635

>already had 2 people from the 30k group in my area say they will refuse to play against thousand sons

So it begins. 30k devolves into 40k faggotry.

>>51552656
but ive wanted magnus forever, of course im going to get him

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>>51552660

>>51552677
Then get him and don't roll everything for Invis. Go Biomancy and beatstick things.

>>51552638
With tartaros using Indomitus arms shouldn't be a huge problem. The shoulder pads go on them quite well and only thing you're missing is the disk on which the arms connect to the torso. I'm using Indomitus arms for some DG tartaros suits.

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>>51552660
That's some weird alternate World Eaters.
Yet another black legion?

>>51552671
>tfw my 3k custodes army will only be like 30 models and 20 of them will have 5++ rerollable invulns and paragon blades/s10 fists
itll be like matt wards grey knights all over again

>>51552712

That's the point. GKs are cheap imitation Custodes.

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>>51552696
I legitimately want to go back in time and buy this

>>51552692
I'm probably gonna go half sanctic just so I can spout "Magnus did nothing wrong"

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>>51552182
>no list critique because of tons of new stuff
>cant even be mad because inferno

Inferno ruined the game

40k is starting to look good in comparrison

>>51552730
Looks pretty standard. My concerns would be:

>lack of anti air (depends on meta)
>lack of ranged, high-power shooting (again depends on meta)

>>51552709
kinda looks dark navy blue, compared to black legion

>>51552744
We just gotta pretend the TS and SW weren't released.
>Your army is a meme
>A MEME!

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>>51552730

>>51552744
>Magnus and Russ ruined the game

fixed that for you

>>51552744
30k went to shit as soon as mechanicum became a thing

>>51552169
I hate everything this guy paints.

>>51552720
doesnt make it any less toxic.
>oh you are running a balanced astartes list?? suck it heres 30 multi wound t5 tards with a billion high initiative ap2 s6 attacks
unless you are running s5t5 blackshields with s10 fists or spamming medusas/vinicators/typhons, custodes will just run over anything

>>51552723
With Magnus you probably want to roll up as many witchfire powers as you can anyway. If you roll decent that guy can almost throw out as much firepower as a warlord titan

>>51552633
I'll post a list in a few then, but should veteran sergeants who are being used as standard troops with marksmen, should they get the aa/pf treatment, or should they be bare bones instead?

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No Space Wolves rules posted since I went to sleep? What kind of inferno thread is this! https://imgur.com/gallery/4ajBW

>>51552845
You went to sleep 47 minutes ago?

>>51552771
Nah then it was just the one army you know, and Mechanicum is FW models only which prohibits a lot of goons to go wild on it.

TS with Pride of the Legion however is another story. Enjoy more psychic troops than even 5th edition GK could throw at you, with actual choice in psychic discipline's as well. And then there are the Custodes, and SW aren't slouches either.

>>51552869
yeah TS are broken. honestly SW arent good, russ is super powerful but other than that they are mediocre.

custodes are a fucking problem, because most army lists have no way to counter them at all. like i cant even think of a way to counter them without medusas/vindicators/typhons/s10 fists. even phosphex quad mortars wont fuck with custodes, plasmaguns wont do shit if you build the army right (full of 5++ rerollable invulns).

how would astartes counter custodes without just spamming s10?

>>51552946

You just need to blow them the fuck up with overwhelming firepower and hope the dice falls your way. As long as you've got the bigger guns and some distance between you and them, you should be alright.

>>51552869

I'm gonna be honest. I'm planning a Pride list right now.

And i'm going to use my 8 squads of metal Rubrics in it. And if anyone gives me shit about it, I don't care. This is the army I used in 40k and lost literally hundreds of games with. They are going to go to 30k before Arhiman dusted them and they are going to murder people.

And I'm going to enjoy it. I'm going to enjoy being able to pick WHICH disciple I get to roll on. I get to pick which Primarius I'm stuck with. And I get to run units aside from over costed marines.

Sure I will have 9-14 dice a turn, but they won't be casting Invis or Str D novas. They will be casting fun stuff. And if you hate me because I run TS without Magnus and Telepathy, then you need to calm the fuck down, take a deep breath and remember that you can drop some pie plates on my dudes.

So what does the Misericordia do for the Custodes?

I see it listed in some of the entries but nothing about it in Wargear.

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Holy shit, based field police reference:

>>51552750

Seems like standard issues with NL, really. Not really any fliers here, but I was kinda concerned, for the few that exist. As for the lack of range, I was hoping the Deepstrikes and infiltrating would skirt that issue. Honestly, I wish I had a Mortis because that would cover both.

>>51553000
how fucking sad must that guy be once russ turned up

>>51552972
>some distance between you and them
yeah that wont happen, kek. my custodes list im going to run has the upgrade where the guy picks his warlord trait, so you pick ambush and infiltrate 20 of the 3W thugs with paragon blades/shields.

im going to make the list since its just like 30 guys total at like 2500 or whatever, so itll be easy and fun to model and paint. but its disgustingly broken. outside of a s5t5 blackshield list with powerfists/medusa spam/typhon spam/ vindicator spam/maybe WE inductii hordes with s10 fists, i cant even think of a counter to it.

its just like bam, you have 60 t5 2+5++rerollable wounds in your face turn 1, + whatever the 3rd squad is, and theyd just grind anything down in CC easily.

>>51552946
for those who have, we best be packing rad-grenades. Veteran Marksmen Tacticals may have potential.

Other than that, lets remind them that while they may have fancy tanks, we pack a shit ton more raw firepower>>51552972

And from what we know so far, their vehicles are not in squadrons. For once, we have to use the guard tactics to crush an enemy

>>51552982
Isn't it Valdor's only? It means mercy...but I don't know what it does.
The last time I heard about Mercy it was paired with Forgiveness and they were on Curze's hands, flaying fuckers alive.

>>51553043
>for those who have, we best be packing rad-grenades
thing is they wont even work if they are able to be challenged out of the unit and killed, and even then youd need a lot of s8 powerfists. only thing that comes to mind is maybe grave wardens, but the rad grenade guy would just get challenged out by some lunatic with a million s6 ap2 attacks at i6

custodes are basically what i warned about in this general like a year ago, that if they make them accurate to the fluff, theyll just be an army of mega-praetors and theyll just gut everything

>>51552635
I don't believe it. If its true then dump them for better """"FRIENDS""""

>>51553114
What about TS with one of the units that all have force weapons ?

>>51553054
Its on every Custodian except the Shield Captain.

What're the rules for Bolterstodes? I can't seem to find them. I might just be retarded.

>>51553159
well TS are even more gamebreaking than custodes, so yeah.

even with medusa spam you couldnt deal with custodes, since their unit coherency is 3 inches and theyd just space out all the way out.

its sad that the last cheesiest armylist (blackshield with s5t5), is basically whats required just to survive against them

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>>51553183

>>51553114
sort of wished they remained as just an allied detachment force. Unless you had the Emperor with you, they never really were involved in any major fluff conflict without him.

>Remember when the Horus Heresy was about the Legions, the men, women and mechanicum forces that constantly fought to reclaim this galaxy for the emperor and not some mary sue snowflake army that the waac fags are gonna jumped to claiming "muh fluff"? I damn hope /hhg/ remembers

>>51553211
>>51553183
Adrastus Bolt Calvier
>Bolt Volley 30" S5 AP4 Assault 3
>Disintegration Beam 12" S5 AP2 Assault 1, Armorbane, Instant Death, Gets hot

>>51553238
Sexy, thanks.

>>51553230
that wouldve been the best way to do it. just have them be like knights errant and the army only unlocks if you are running the emperor (who would cost so many points that it would be apocalypse level games with titans and shit)

as it stands right now any age of shitmar faggot can smash together 100 bucks of stormcast sigmarines and rape any 30k list (except TS or cheese blackshields) with custodes

>>51553256
No problem, but I derped out, the Bolter part is Heavy 3 not Assault.

>>51553211
What slot do those dudes go into? Also, are the guardian spear and sword & board custodes units both Troops?

>>51553303
Heavy Support, and GSpear and S&B are troops.

>>51553286
Well... not like many people are gonna use that bit anyways.

>>51553312
So no bolter "tacticals" as Troops.

Why, FW, why do you destroy everything I believed in?

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Fuuuuuuck I want.

But those titans are pretty big. An AT Reaver being the size of a Warhound kind of defeats the purpose though. Them only effectively being one size category down barely reduces the cost.

>>51553342

Those are normal Titans.

AT Titans will be far, far smaller. A Warlord will be Plastic Knight sized.

>>51553342
If they're doing a box game, I don't think it would sell at all unless they change the price point.

>>51552131
Anyone want to buy some Admech shit?

>>51553317
Well I would, but I am silly and like HBs
>>51553325
Because that's FW for you. You can however saturate your Elites with S+1/2 Ap2 Paragon Spears, with a 18" S5 AP3 Assault 2 bolter.

Just take the Bolter Dudes in HS, I doubt they will be bad.

>>51553357
i wish they just rebooted epic instead of fucking the scale up and limiting it to just titans

>>51553325
>>51553312
>GKTs with halberds and swords as troops
>mk VI as bolter dudes
>Knights-Errant HQs

someone stop me

>>51553357
>Those are normal Titans.
Are they? That would make me tremendously happy. I want a little army of titans scurrying about

>>51553408
Yes, they played a demo game (and will be doing more IIRC) with full-size knights and titans.

>>51553374
Those Paragon spear dudes are expensive as fuck, but I guess they'll do what you pay for. Been thinking of an Elite spear unit with a captain in a transport, 2x5 sword and board Troops and maybe 5 bolter dudes as heavies. To field as Allies.

Question about the Golden Bananas.

WTF is the Miserecodia wargear item? It listed in all the non-Troop infantry.

the TK being gamebreaking im just going to assume is because FW doesnt understand how rules work and didnt realize theyd be making veteran tacticals into s7t7 ap2 monsters...

but the custodes, they had to have known full well what they were doing. expect the models for the 3w thugs to be like $30 a piece or some shit.

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>>51553386
I will, because if you think you're using plain Marines as Custodes, you can just fuck off.

>>51553445
You're right.

Custodes bases are the same as Terminator bases, yes? Could I stick mk VI heads on GKT bodies?

So, fellow dog fuckers, how many Grey Slayer squads did you end up with?

>>51553362
What's available and where you shipping from?

>>51553386
I will not!
>>51553420
With only the Paragon Spears as upgrades and taking the Transport and everything else bare, save the extra men to make them 5 men, that would be 1500 points.

>>51553445
at this point ill only play against custodes if all the models are the official FW model. no way id let somebody proxy the plastic ones as the 3W goons with paragon blades, for example. and age of shitmar conversions or other proxies would be grounds for a banning from the store.

FW just went full retard with this book, its nuts.

>>51553472
5x 20x all with poweraxes

>>51553487
>"Muh 30k" the post

>>51553487
Custodes seem like the least egregious offenders. At least they cost absurd points per model.

I'd certainly understand banning Russ or Magnus proxies, though.

Then again, I suppose you're at a disadvantage using 40k Magnus since he's (probably) bigger and wings.

>>51553508
Also this.

>>51553487
I hate to tell you, but they'll be upgrade kits you put on the plastic ones.

>>51553270
We need some legion appreciation back in these threads.

Can traitors and loyalist cast aside our differences and push back the cheese that we face now?

The cancer that 40k slowly has turned itself into is slowly spreading to our sacred ground.

Inferno was supposed to make /hhg/ great again, but instead only set us up to burn further.

While Ordo Reductor and Black Shields may have been cheese at one point, many held back and refused to spam when the options were there.

But now we have custodes, who only can spam cheese.

And the players who are gonna enter 30k because of them are gonna spam and cheese to no end.

Disregard our precious fluff that has defined 30k,

And destroy what was a unique setting.

Will we really go down this path?

The Thousand Sons can be saved, the Space Wolves can be saved, but the Custodes?

Is this our end our or can the Legions, Militia, Axuilia, and Mechanicum push back this cheese fest?

Can we return ourselves to our former glory?

>>51553511
>Custodes seem like the least egregious offenders.
theres no counter to them. ksons are broken as fuck too. russ is disgusting but at least hes just 1 primarch with mediocre army buffs and whatever unit hes joined to isnt going to be anything special. all the 2W terminator deathstars would probably stop russ's deathstar 2bh

>>51553477
My whole collection, and from the US. 5 castellax, 10 myrmidon destructors, 15 thallax, 2 archmagi, Triaros, krios, thanatar, magos dominus, magos, navigator, caleb decima, 2 vorax, book, carrying case. All heavily magnetized.

>>51553522

Don't forget the Plastic Guilliman spam we'll likely be getting in the near future.

>>51553526
Custodes are going to face the same issues as 40k grey knights multiplied by 10. Sure, they're powerful, but one Vindicator plate on those 3 terminators and you just fucked yourself.

>>51553529
>dude check out my new 30k army!
>plops down mk7 smurfs and age of emperor girlyman
>dude they are even allied to cuckstodes!!
>plops down a handful of prospero box custodes and a bunch of sigmarines
and the best part, is that you cant even counter his list.

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Yess this is a legit unit now. I have to make one.

>>51553528
Oooh, so finished collection basically? Painted? If so would appreciate any pic and what price you might be asking for the whole thing. US also

>>51553540
except they wont, since they have 3 inch unit coherency, can infiltrate with the warlord trait, and have a 5++ rerollable invlun. vindicators/medusas wont even be able to stop them.

at this point double typhon isnt even cheese anymore, its mandatory, and its not even allowed anymore since they raised the points on it.

>>51553554
Does that dog have a Meltagun for a tongue?

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>>51553566
Yes, check out wargear.

>>51553560
Yeah, it's my finished collection. a couple of the models are painted, but mostly primed with a bit of basecoat work (metallics) here and there.

Here are some pics I took in shitty lighting earlier at my LGS.

http://imgur.com/a/kKE1b

All models not in photos are just primed.

>>51553587
thats metal as fuck

I had just settled on a 3k IW list but this new book completely changes most of what I had planned.

>>51553566
yes
>when he's happy to see you and wants to lick your face

>>51553590
Very nice then, I love having things magnetized. Asking price then?

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Friendly reminder that Magnus the Red can cast sanctic daemonology, only periling on triple 6's. With his Mind Wrath ability, he can buff a witchfire to strength D and boost its range. With his rite of war, you can deepstrike him veeery close to the enemy blob. Have him cast a boosted Cleansing Flame, and on average every enemy unit within 18" of Magnus takes 2d6 S:D ignores cover hits ignoring line of sight.

Amazing.

>>51553520
Shhh... Don't spoil it for him. I want to hear his REEEE from the distance when his FW models are just some arms, weapons and heads.

Anyone have Sister of Silence pictures yet?

>>51553601
Yea, it's really cool

>>51553638
imgur.com/a/emdin/

>>51552470
Sounds great. The new AT has the potential to be HUGE when infantry, tanks and Ordinatus are added.

Don't fuck this up GW.

>>51553634
it wouldnt surprise me. honestly i wouldnt really care since im just going to build a ravenwing style blackshields list with +1S/T, just to fuck custodes. t6 biker command squads with s10 powerfists and apothecaries.

>>51553657
Thank you

>>51553618
Yeah, the castellax were tedious, but being able to switch betwen bolter/flamer, or arms on the magi is great.

For all of it?

Email me at [email protected], as it's kinda late, and I need to head to sleep/i don;t want to lose this conversation. I'll immediately direct you to my actual email, it just contains my name so I would prefer to not post it to 4chan.

Custodes are cheese?

Aw, man! I was looking forward to them! I always loved low model count badass armies.

>>51553479
Man these are expensive.

>Shield Captain:
-Tribune
-Digital Lasers, Cyber-familiar
-Power Gauntlet (modelling reasons)
= 255pts.

>Hetero Guard (5x):
-5x Paragon Spear
-Coronus Grav-Carrier
= 560pts.

>Sentinel Guard (5x):
-1x Power Gauntlet
= 325pts.

>Age of Sagittarius Guard (5x)
= 315pts.

= 1455pts.

Can squeeze a few upgrades in there.

>>51553705
They aren't that bad. Don't let anons meme you.

>>51553676
Sent from a gmail

>>51553754
>an entire army of s5t5 praetors with paragon blades and rerollable invulns
>not that bad
nobodys came up with a decent counter outside of ksons

>>51553770
IW players might have use for Domitar Ferrum now

>>51552539
Thanks mate. I hope half the Titans in the box are Mars pattern and the other half either something new or Lucius.

Also, Lucius pattern >>> Mars Pattern.

>>51553770
Multiple Medusae?

>>51553780
wouldnt they just get IDed by the murderous strikes at i6?

>>51553784
3 inch unit coherency and a 5++ rerollable is pretty good against templates. also the characters would have a 3++ rerollable. also they are all -1 to hit against in CC

>>51553802
Do the Troop custodes have a 5++ now?

>>51553789
Could tank on Perty? Majority T7 so low wounds probably

>>51553814
Yes

>>51553770
>>51553802
What if you intentionally don't spam that one unit?

>>51553822
Sweet.

>>51553826
the troop ones are probably even stronger than the 3W guys, since they are costed more competitively.

>>51553826
Their entire army is S5T5

Like EVERYONE.

Except their T6 Jetbikes.

Jetbikes with the same toughness of a fucking Primarch.

>>51553817
they whole unit can run with s10 gauntlets

>>51553375
Its retarded not to do titans in epic. Who has the space or the money for that shit in 40k scale

>>51553540
Custodes have STUPID fucking amounts of firepower.

So many of their guns have instant death and armorbane. Grey Knights have nothing like that.

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>>51553859
But those are unwieldy. The Domitar Ferrums have a chance.
I think.
I wish.

>>51553859
Well we found something else Iron circle are bad at...

Converting to 30k from 40k Dark Angels. I really want to play an army that runs like the Deathwing/Ravenwing work in tandem wih DA fluff.

I doubt that the upcoming Dark Angel rules will help me out in anyway, each wing seems to be very restrictive. I did notice however that the Imperial Fist have a Rite of War, Hammerfall Strike Force, that will suit what I'm looking for very well. It seems to be very infantry heavy which is a reason I want to play 30k, but the meta at my local gaming store seems lean heavily towards tanks and artillery. I know that the deep striking with shroud will help with the artillery, but what about heavy armor?

I plan on running with a Preator and Forge Lord on bikes with a nuncio vox for accurate deep striking and an accompanying squad of bikers to back them up.

Will deep striking multiple squads of terminators be able to handle a lot of armor? I plan on starting to play at 2000 but both these units are cost intensive and I won't be able to add much more other than a squad or two of tacts or support squads.

What are somethings I can look into to make most of this concept?

>>51553877
>In other news, IWs are bitter.

>>51552131
So does anyone have any of the fluff?

Specifically the Ordo Sinister guys, mostly because I want to know if they still have Imperator Titans or if they were switched to Psi-Titans only.

Anyone got a photo of the rules for the mechanicum assault tank?

>>51553860
nah i meant they changed the scale from 6mm or whatever up to 8mm just to fuck all the old epic players. also no super heavy tanks, etc.

>>51553860
Not to mention that it doesn't work well logistically and make titans out to look weaksauce because HURR DURR MAXIMUM AV 14. You can give it as many void shields and hull points as you want, but a goddamn titan shouldn't be able to go down from autocannons.

Man, I miss Epic. Back when the rules and scale actually made sense.

>>51553917
epic was out of scale anyway

The only "sensible" response to Custodes on the field is to bribe the Ref into letting you arbitrarily drop "nukes of sufficient quantity" and wipe them from the campaign.

If your not playing a campaign, then you just have the punch your opponent light out. With a baseball bat. For credibility, have the rest of the LFGS's player join in on it.

>>51553917
Oh I didn't know that never got to play epic

>>51553887
>What do you mean Medusa RoW shit isn't the most overpowered anymore?

>>51553870
They also cost a lot more than GK's, and those guns are very short ranged (except the tank, but if you can handle a Spartan you can handle that).

>>51553950
>infiltrate half the army because of pick your own warlord trait
>deepstrike the rest
getting in close isnt a problem for them, nothing is a problem for them because they are broken.

>>51553947
That's old news, anon.
It hasn't been since the Reductor's 12 Medusae ft Vultarax air cover stravaganza

So when can we expect a scan of Inferno?

>>51554032
Scan? Long time.

We got almost all the rules tho.

>>51553770
You only have to kill two of those hetaeraons to make your points back with a vindicator. And a lot more.

I don't really see the problem here. They don't have any assault vehicles.

>>51554046
This. Rerolling 5++ is not that safe.

>>51554032

We've got our scan. Don't expect anything more.

>>51554056
I meant a scan of the whole book. I'm more interested in the lore than the rules.

>>51554046
>>51554052
how many people do you know who are running 6+ vindicators right now? which probably isnt even enough anyway. because those custodes units are guaranteed to be in combat turn2

>>51554061

You'd need someone who can make decent scans and who would be willing to wreck their books. That's not a common trait among people on 4chan.

>>51553972
Good thing there's only 10k of them and most are killed during the webway war and terra siege.

>until nu-Age of Emperor 40k reveals that the Custodes have been rebuilding or the Emperor comes back and makes a shitload more of his gold plated and superpowered Sigma...I mean Custodes.

>>51554064
You don't need 6+ vindicators. You only need a couple, or some artillery. Or a couple of dreadnoughts that make the paragon blades wet noodles. Or some seeker squads.

The main one to get hit by this are melee oriented armies. World Eaters will have a hard time.

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Mathhammer Russ vs Magnus when?

>>51554112
my money is on magnus, considering its impossible to hit him if he casts invis, and can spit out D-dakka like its nothing

>>51554112

Russ Murders Magnus in Close Combat.

Magnus blasts Russ to bits at range with Mind Bullets.

Add some numbers, and done.

>>51554088
>You don't need 6+ vindicators. You only need a couple, or some artillery.
youd need to be able to neuter 3 squads of custodes in 1 turn of shooting, maybe 2 turns if you are lucky and go first.
>The main one to get hit by this are melee oriented armies. World Eaters will have a hard time.
honestly i think my WE would do decently against them since i run 100-120 s6 inductii with apothecaries, hatred, a s10 fist in each unit, etc.

>>51554064
>guaranteed turn2 charge

How many models of your tiny force are going to survive shooting and Overwatch reliably, and how are you going to fare when its 3 dudes versus 20?

You can make your deepstrikes a little bit more reliable, but that costs even more points.

Same with reserves. Can be made good or even great with the right combos, but you're playing on a very thin force, and every DS mishap, every failed 2+, etc., will gouge you.

>>51554142
you get to infiltrate 3 units of them, so you arent worried about deepstriking or reserves.

>>51554152
You are worried about first turn, though, and lots of armies can play shenanigans with that (and Lady Luck, too).

>>51554184
>You are worried about first turn
not really. i mean you are dropping like 80 t5 wounds with a 2+5++ right on top of the opponent before the game even starts.

shit you could probably hide most of them in terrain out of LOS

Are CSM termies too chaos-y for 30k?

>>51554203
60 wounds, if you have 3 units of 10 guardians (550 points each), or 700 points per unit if you go with the 3W dudes. With an HQ and two maxed troops we're talking ~1200-1300 range already, up to 2k with a single maxed 3W squad.

Sure, you'll be in your opponent's face, but you have very little to show for it. Alpha Legion and Raven Guard lists can do the same with way more models and more guns.

You're also going to struggle to score. Unless you can get ALL your fat dudes into combat and really table the guy turn 3 you're kinda fucked, since he can just run around you with actual transports and fast units.

>>51554222
Probably, unless you're playing Word Bearers or maybe Blackshields.

>>51554222
A bit. Though paintjob does help and using more plain shoulder pads. Leave off the bits spikes, use regular helmets, maybe tartaros or cataphractii guns, and in general tone it down and they'd probably pass from highly modified traitor suits.

>>51554222
I'd say yes, unless you're doing a Sons of Horus during the seige of Terra or something. I'd still remove the tusk heads and the shoulder pads, and replace them with something else.

Best way to kit out Grey Slayers?
So far, it seems you can kit them out exactly like a sup'ed up Tac Squad for roughly the same points
>Grey Slayers
>20x, +Bolters, Vexilla, SGT w/ PW, MB - 285

>Tac Squad
>20x, +CCW, Vexilla, SGT w/ PW, MB-290

I am of three minds with them.

>10x, PWx10, Rhino- 210
>20x, +Bolters, Vexilla, SGT w/ PW, MB - 285
>20x, +Combat Shields, 4x PF, SGT w/ PF, MB-340

>>51554222
heads, definitely

You could use some bits from them (the bolters with bayonets would be great for WE) and shoulders if you didn't want the Crux Terminatus, but it would take some work.

It would probably be cheaper to go with loyalist Termi box and file off what you don't want.

>>51554285
youd take 20 of the 3w guys and 10 of the 2w guys, 80 wounds. theyd all have shields so theyd all have 5++ rerollable. it would be pretty much the whole army, probably fit 3 characters with 3++ rerollables in it.

>>51554310
you definitely want as many powerfists as you can take. probably max unit size too. bolters and power swords/axes are a toss up but youd have to fully commit to 1 or the other

>>51554350
Powerswords for GSD and Axes for fluff, thanks for the quick reply.

>>51554310
20 power weapons and just running them at the enemy seems popular. I'm mostly using my tacticals, though might squeeze in a few combi-weapons to spice things up (and possibly to stop the unit from assaulting).

>PW

Why not frost weapons? Great frost blade seems like a nice thing.

>>51554382
frost weapons are IC only my dude

>>51554371
honestly i think running them with max axes and fists is probably the best loadout. they need to be able to smash terminators.

5 fists + bolters might be decent though. ether way they are sadly just discount WE

>>51554112
>>51554121
Magnus with Invis wins

>>51554398
I'm totally okay with that.
I don't care that much about winning, I just wanna have fun.
Don't get me wrong, winning is fun, but I just wanna have a better understanding of this unit
it's 0030 here, I'm tired as hell and want /hhg/ to think for me

So, what's going to be the deal with the Twitch stream? Not everyone can afford to pay for the right to get to watch from 5,000 miles away.

Jesus, so FW completely forgot to put the Misericordia rules for Custodes in the book...

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>>51552151
I thought it started already. If not, then how do people already have Inferno? Damn timezones.

Probably a good thing it hasn't anyway, or else the Rowboat Girlyman announcement would have seriously harmed the Weekender hype (it may still).

>>51552282
Man, that conversion is dope.

>>51552299
B-b-b-but pointing out unfluffy models is autism!

>>51552495
Someone needs to ask if Valdor was based on him at the Weekender.

>>51554222
They'd be good for mid-to-late Heresy Word Bearers, and maybe even some of the other late-Heresy Traitor Legions. You could also mix in some bits in earlier WBs. Otherwise, maybe a bit too Chaosy, except alongside pic related.

>>51554430
It won't be live, they're recording the seminar and posting it later for subscribers.

>>51554446

An hour and a half, and the first seminar begins.

>>51554444
Not that they will ever use it.

>>51554453
Well if no one knows what it's supposed to be, then yeah.

>>51554451

Are you sure? It sounded like it was being livestreamed.

>>51554452
Sweet.

>>51554418
i mean i dont think they are bad, theyd beat a lot of shit, just so long as that shit isnt WE or S5T5 blackshields.

the bolters + 5x PF option is one i didnt bother really looking at until you mentioned bolters, but it could be decent. they are just kind of a weird unit since they cant take multiple weapons per model. if they could all take bolters and axes/swords then the unit would actually be good.

>>51554464
WHTV is at LVO this weekend.

>>51554463
It's supposed to be an ap3 knife.

>>51554463
i think its supposed to be the shitty little powerknife

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>>51554394

>>51554471

FW said they were streaming it live.

>>51554494
Well it's not advertised on their Twitch page at all, so good job FW.

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>>51554494
Where and when anon.

>>51554493
powerfist is still better.

>>51554501

The FW people told attendees yesterday that they were going to stream the Seminars via Twitch live.

someone post the SW legion rules etc.

>>51554507
Getting to swing at the enemy sergeant before they do isn't terrible.

>>51554519
would it be on the warhammer tv channel or what?

>>51554525
They're in the IMGUR links.

>>51554468
I honestly don't understand why they can't take bolters and then everything else.

>>51554536

No idea. I read it on Bolter and Chainsword, from people attending the Weekender.

>>51552182
Can this list kill 1 rhino?
Personally id just remove The vets and boost The terrorboys to max with volkites

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>>51554547
Seems it will be paywalled. Maybe someone will re stream like the old starcraft days..

>>51554300
>>51554305
>>51554306
>>51554446

I just got a box for 40k, which is why I was wondering, and I realized it would put me at a set of 5 of each flavor, which could be neat. What really got me interested is that I play NL, and the spike racks with bodies on them kind of fit the flavor. Hell, there's a lot of bits that could work, I think.

However, Indomitus and Tartaros armor looks similar. If I were to scrounge up some tart shoulders and got new heads, would they pass for tartaros?

>>51554313

Yea, the heads definitely need to go.

>>51554596

That's what we've been trying to do. See if we can get someone to re-stream the Seminars for us all.

If anyone here is willing, praise will be showered on the one who will re-stream the Seminars for us.

>>51554598
>would they pass for tartaros

Not at all. Tartaros has a very round torso, its rear looks like a MkIV backpack fused with it, the lets have extra plating and none of the struts you see on Indomitus and the arms are a bit different.

Use them as Indomitus or not at all.

>>51554598
Yeah, I could see it working if you mix-and-matched some plain Terminator parts with Chaos Termie bits. I wouldn't use the whole box, but there's definitely quite a bit in there that could work well for NLs.

>However, Indomitus and Tartaros armor looks similar. If I were to scrounge up some tart shoulders and got new heads, would they pass for tartaros?

As long as you let your opponent know that they're supposed to be in Tartaros, I can't see it being an issue. Tartaros heads probably wouldn't work with Indomitus torsos though, if that's what you were thinking, since they're designed to go with the raised gorget. Especially the resin ones, which only include the top half of the head, IIRC.

>>51554541
give me the links then

>>51554666
Go away Satan.

>>51554610
honestly I think a restream would be pretty hard to do nowadays. Twitch killed all the competitors. Maybe there's a russian streaming site that doesn't give a fuck.

>>51554666
fuck off and learn how to find in page, satan

>>51554675

This is 4chan. If anyone will know, it's an anon on here.

>>51554666
Literally the 2nd instance if you search "imgur" on this page dumbass.

>>51552578
Yeah, he cut off knuckles and fingers. It looks better than it should. I was thinking about getting left Cata arms to use with Custodes shields (a gift to IF).

>>51554666

http://imgur.com/gallery/V7Del

>>51554675
Hell, I'd be fine with a simple screencap + YouTube upload, if someone can pull it off.

>>51554666
http://imgur.com/gallery/Wgpq3

>Solarite power fists and claws forged using tech recovered by XVIIIth legion from the Tempest Galleries
reeeee

>>51554704
trolls will report it, you need a service that can ignore a few reports.

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>>51554666
>Those digits

>>51553885
I assume you're okay with playing Imperial Fists. You don't have many choices if you want teleporting Terminators - most legions would have to use Dreadclaws or Kharybdises. Which is fine; they're popular choices. And they count as flyers for rites of war like the Ravenwing Protocol. That would mean bikes as troops and drop podding termies.

Cataphractii Terminators (for the durability) with combi-meltas are popular for deep striking near tanks. They get to shoot those meltas, and if they survive then they assault on their second turn after arriving.

If it's true that HH and 40k rules will diverge (HH would stick with 7th edition rules, with minor FW-specific tweaks) then it's likely that squads will be allowed to attack with multiple meltabombs each turn. That would make assault marines and outriders good against tanks too.

Jetbikes (ranged only) and attack bikes (esp. Dark Angels w/ heavy bolters w/ special ammo - shooty but not bad in assault) are great right now.

>>51554639

Hrm. That's a lot of differences, especially with the backpacks. Might just keep them Indomitus, but clean them up for when I want to use them for 30k.

>>51554653

>Yeah, I could see it working if you mix-and-matched some plain Terminator parts with Chaos Termie bits. I wouldn't use the whole box, but there's definitely quite a bit in there that could work well for NLs.

I guess we'll see how it works. I don't remember if the HH boxes come with extra arms, but my gut says no. The biggest foul is the tentacle arm. I wouldn't use that anyway.

>As long as you let your opponent know that they're supposed to be in Tartaros, I can't see it being an issue.

We'll see. They're more meant for 40k, but if I can get them presentable for 30k, why not? Maybe I'll just keep the shoulders off for now. Then again, that one skull shoulder is sweet.

>Tartaros heads probably wouldn't work

I was thinking MKIV heads, actually. They're pretty similar.

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Everyone complaining about Magnus keep this in mind

>FW is about to be put in charge of the current rule set for use with HH
>Meaning things like invisibility and D weapons will most likely be changing

>>51554824

I'm hoping my friend will get into 30k now that SW have rules, and I can use the different rules as a catch. I don't care if his models aren't the right armor because he's a fun dude, and I think he'd like 30k wolves.

>>51554824
This. Magnus is so obviously broken that this pretty much has to be true.

Half an hour till the gates open.

Everyone ready to get hype?

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What do you think about this Magnus? Better then GW?

>>51554876
I swear to god Magnus better be there for sale

Or at the very least on display

>>51554883
Very standard primarch armour

What will make it or break it is the face

>>51554888
Yeah, a lot of the Primarchs' armour seems to have shared elements, particularly in the leg department. Whether or not it works depends on how the overall sculpt looks.

>>51552869

By allying on Imperial Militia and throwing a hundred fearless 2ppm models at them.

Why are people ITT pretending that a re-rollable 5++ is impressive? It's functionally a 4++.

>>51554883

You're trying to compare apples to oranges. One is a Knight sized daemon Prince and the other is large space Marine.

However, I do like what I'm seeing for primarch. I like the cloak.

>>51552638
you can just buy tartaros poweraxe sets, they're compatible with the plastic and you don't need to buy a whole set of terminators for it. if you want to do weapon swaps later just stick a magnet in the wrist and at the shoulder.

the weapon sets look expensive but often you'll find you only need 1 or two per squad, and the plastic tartaros kit comes with at least one left arm for a sword, so a single FW pack lets you do 15 terminators (3 squads)

>>51554696
>posting discord shit in the threads
this is why the podcast is going to be a fucking abortion, because everyone in the discord is a fucking attentionwhore aspie

>>51552240
MVP

Man, where do I fit combat shields on models that have a combi-weapon and a power fist?

>>51554978
Wells its 11.11% better than a 4+ for a start

Are Dreads any good in 30K? I like the idea of the Osiron, but 225 seems like a lot for a Dreadnought.

>>51555079
Backpack, or on top oh his head, like a hat

>>51555148
>like a hat

I don't play white scars.

>>51555139
Incorrect. It's a 55.5℅ chance to save.

>>51555146
Yeah, the +50pts is way too steep really. But you are playing TS, so you can probably afford to have one sub-optimal unit

>>51555155
yeah, so 11.11% of 50% is 5.555%, so a 5+ re-rollable is 11.11% better than a 4+

try to keep up

>>51553770
>nobodys came up with a decent counter outside of ksons
Ordo reductor with 9 medusa, and an allied IW detachment with 3 medusa, iron fire ROW and my remaining points in bikes and assault squads.

Where the full rules for the custards posted?

>>51554883
He better be coming with the horn tits.

>>51555164
>Lets play the Floor is Phosphex!

Looking at https://m.imgur.com/a/emdin/, what force org are:
>Vigilators
>Hetaeron Guard
>Sentinel Guard

I need to know to see if my BOP models can make a legal list.

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have we started the fire?

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>>51555216

Yes, the Inferno rises.

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>>51555216
T H E
I N F E R N O
R I S E S

>>51555223

Is that a Yiffnaught beside the Automata?

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Screw the rest, SIEGE TYRANTS!

>>51555187
>Phosphex!
I could, or I could just rely on s10 ap2 5" ordnance templates that scatter 0-2 inches.

If I wanted to phospex the board I'd be spamming rapiers.

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oh god

Emprah incoming ?!

>>51555239

Bitterboys be praised, however Tsons are hogging the spotlight.

>>51553522
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't only HQ's get the Thousand Sons Cult benefits? (Like +1 to invuln). Not that they aren't hideously OP. Just that they are maybe not quite as hideously OP.

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>>51555239

>>51555239
That force weapon looks awful

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>>51555239
Cannot unsee that atrophied right arm.

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Custodian Jetbikes.

>>51555216
>sekhmet in cataphractii
>40k equivalents in tartaros
wut

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OH BABY
WE FAST VEHICLE ROCKET ARTILLERY WITH 2 FUCKOFF HUGE CANNONS NOW

>>51555329
They can take either Cataphractii or Tartaros.

>>51555329

I assume if you want them in Tartaros, you use the Plastic GW Models.

Stream status?

>>51555323
So, still no Bullock (that doesn't have Sammael's cloak sculpted on). Now we have ribbed for her pleasure vs. non-ribbed and bite-sized. Should've figured with the way the Custodes vehicle aesthetic's been going.

Cool to see a more compact jetbike design though.

>>51555323
Might as well be dickbikes.

>>51555346
>>51555351
Ah. It looks like the torsos could work with either, maybe?

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Caladius Variant.