Pathfinder General /pfg/

Reposting from last thread:
> It's impossible to use Stealth while attacking, running, or charging.

>Action: Usually none. Normally, you make a Stealth check as part of movement, so it doesn't take a separate action.

If you used a fool's errand strike like Windmill Waltz Flurry:
>After each attack, you may move up to 5 feet without provoking attacks of opportunity
And also had a hide in plain sight ability, would you be able to stealth in between every attack?

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A new spellburst savant archetype homebrew I put together, as I had fun with the Phenomenal Prestidigitator. This one also has a bit of a bardic theme but in a rather different way. They can be combined, if you want.

Consecrated Chorist, a more ally support Spellburst Savant.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qdpAD6J37KQFPHSZq4v0PUHsqRZBm4FTxVCMutFCFtI/edit?usp=sharing

This is still the alpha version, feedback highly appreciated.

>>51523069
I responded to you with my opinion in the other thread.

>>51522857
In my experience, DMs tend to be "ok seriously?" when you try to get early access to a spell like that. It might still be worth it though.

>>51522872
I will probably stick to 1pp material, but I will 100% list the sources and color code them based on how "legit" they are.

Anyways: I want to do this right the first time, and waste a minimal amount of effort. Time to apply some systems engineering!

Scope: all pfsrd spells.
Future modifications: add spells based or sources
Information to transcribe: Basically everything in the spell block.
Information to add: UNKNOWN.
Tools to assist: an script to pull the PFSRD spells into a excel sheet?

What information should I add to this list of spells to make it a useful resource to people looking to choose spells?

I was thinking of classifying them via my own classification method, with the idea being that you probably don't want multiple spells from the same class or subclass. The clasifactions will need to cover a lot.

For example:
Stretegic Intel (scry)
Tactical Mobility (dimension door, fly, burrow)
Strategic Mobility (shadow walk, teleport)
Comunication (tongues, message)
Kill (phantasmal killer
Capture (flesh to stone, baleful polymorph)

There are subtle things like Blindness-Deafness being a single target fort based disable, but it is not really a full disable and isn't just a lower version of baleful polymorph. clairaudienceClairvoyance is different from arcane eye, etc.

Any tips? this might be the biggest project I ever attempted.

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>>51523016
Not only are you assuming it's gender\, you're assuming it's appearance and construction methodology, you speciest prick.

>>51523290
>In my experience, DMs tend to be "ok seriously?" when you try to get early access to a spell like that. It might still be worth it though.

Well, there is enough sources of getting it at this point that a guide would be handy between all the archetypes, races and classes (And heck, even items) that can do it.

>>51523290
I find it a funny thing about Paizo's Player Companion that they are nothing but sactified 3pp
Paizo has zero, I mean zero hand in making or proof reading them.
There could be totally broken shit in them

>>51523069
No, because Hide in Plain Sight is a standard action or move action, and being allowed to move five feet is not a move action, it is an action you are allowed to take as part of another action.

>>51523322
And that's different from Core in what way?

>>51523016
I've played constructs. The latest one took great offense at someone's attempt to, and I quote:
>"help xer find what xe identifies as"

This unit understood it had encountered a devolved intellect. This unit's production numbers were written in two different external locations. This unit believed literacy was universal in adults.

Disappointment.

>>51523360
The point is that this game works more like MTG than a video game

>>51523290
Probably need to factor combos too.
Pellet blast is kinda shitty but then you realize a dazing pellet blast only needs to deal 1 damage and a failed reflex to take something out of thr fight.

Then you realize almost all casters take sf conjuration for augmented summons which makes the up in DC very reasonable. Throw in metamagic master and suddenly its a very cheap weapon that works on almost anything no sr and made even better by project image and maybe barrow haze if its a long fight.

>>51523374

What would the construct equivalent of [Triggered] be?

[Error?]

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>>51523249
That's way too sad...

It's too cruel...

>>51523395
No that's usually when their mono-eye starts glowing red and they start exclaiming words like "destroy" or "exterminate"

>>51523290
The ultimate goal is that the "classes" of spells are general enough that they are useful, while being specific enough that you probably only need one or two spells from each class to "have that class covered".

I could use some help with these classes, because this will be a huge part of the labor put into this task.

>>51523393
"combos" and things like that would be special mentiones for a different task.

For example: "how to use dazing spell well" would list that combo.

The goal of this is to assist in picking spells, because in the two games I run I have noticed the prepared casters spend way too much time trying to figure out what the fuck they should do for the day and the spontaneous casters have made some terrible, non-fluf based choices.

You want to be a dragon sorcerer? dragons breath is a good choice then. But then also getting fireball, lightning bolt, and burning arch is kinda....bad.

Unrelated: Why does this happen so often?

>>51523404

Let Molthune Knights stand as testament to the unfortunate truth that any game, even the famous ones, are subject to flaking.

>>51523404
Did he dead?

>>51523395
OOC I actually had to ask what a xer even was... followed by why wouldn't you just call it it.

Apparently from what "she" (read: He. very much he. would involve the 'bbm' tag in sadpanda) explained to me, "xer" was the appropriate one for unknowns.

Still think it should be 'it'.

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>>51523427
>mono-eye
Hey! We mostly just shout "Sieg Zeon!"

Or "He's fast!"

Or "It's the White Devil!"

Or "The Gundam is here!"

>>51523452
>Still think it should be 'it'.

Heck, you don't even say "it" anymore, you say "they."

But what do I know, you can't call women "expectant mothers" anymore because not all mothers are women.

>>51523450
He damn well better.
You don't NOT warn an entire group that you've supposedly (yeah right) "been sick all week" only in the last moments before a game starts - especially when you've been in direct communication with them all week.

You also, you know, fucking say something when you can instead of just disappearing.

You also don't make throwaway accounts just for that one campaign, either...

If you ask me the only reason we ever got the intro session was that whatever plans this O'Jion (or whatever his real user name is on his real account) had for the evening fell through, and the tiniest twinge of guilt he did feel made him come up with a few minutes worth of "okay so uh you guys will be in charge of going to this place and organizing it, uh, talk among yourselves".

I fucking hate being fucked with.

>>51523483
if she's pregnant, that's a real woman. the fake ones don't do that.

hell at least the fake ones used to look the part. now they just call themselves a woman and you're supposed to pretend.

Didn't people fucking LEARN that emperor's new clothes story when they were kids?

>>51523483
>But what do I know, you can't call women "expectant mothers" anymore because not all mothers are women.
What the fuck? Just for sake of argument let's presume that not all mothers are women. That doesn't mean not pregnant women are somehow not expectant mothers. Calling a woman with child an expectant mother doesn't imply all expectant mothers are pregnant women anymore than calling a banana yellow implies everything that is yellow is a banana. In fact it doesn't even imply all bananas are yellow.

>you say they
The correct usage in English would be "he", as "he" is the default gender-neutral term for a person in English.

>>51523538
>What the fuck? Just for sake of argument let's presume that not all mothers are women. That doesn't mean not pregnant women are somehow not expectant mothers. Calling a woman with child an expectant mother doesn't imply all expectant mothers are pregnant women anymore than calling a banana yellow implies everything that is yellow is a banana. In fact it doesn't even imply all bananas are yellow.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/29/dont-call-pregnant-women-expectant-mothers-might-offend-transgender/

>/pfg/ - Transgendered Studies

I miss when we used to talk about Pathfinder.

>>51523570
Pathfinder gets used as a pseudoporn setting so much that this actually has some tangential relevance to the game

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>>51523570

Let's talk about Anevia and Irabeth, shall we?

>>51523551
>>51523570

When are we going to erase the hideous stereotype that perpetuates the gender inequality that men aren't allowed to be mothers, or women can't be fathers?

A large majority of women that have been pregnant or given birth identify as women, by including intersex and transgender women into that fold by changing the term from "expectant mother" to "pregnant individual" we are correcting thousands of years of discrimination and bias that intersects all aspects of our society.

>>51523452
"It" is dehumanizing, like that of an object. Trans people ARE still people, despite what assholes claim. Therefore, the English Proper way to speak of people such as that are with the "they" pronoun; "Oh this is my friend Robin, they went and opened their bank account today".

>>51523660
>"Oh this is my friend Robin, zey went and opened zer bank account today".
>"Oh this is my friend Robin, it went and opened its bank account today".

Both sound fucking stupid.

>>51523538
They is equally legitimate to use and objectively more correct.

>>51523645
Because by its technical definition, "mother" is the female parent of a child?

Even if she dresses like a guy, she's a mother. A child can have two mothers or two fathers in the case of gay/lesbian couples, and it's totally okay to be a parent through adoption or through raising one as your own. Kids need parents in some way after all, you're doing the kid a solid.

But that pregnant lady literally, technically, physically, cannot be the dad. Not because she can't dress or act like one, but because that's literally the wrong word.

>>51523703

You're never going to have to deal with Trans people anyway, so it's a non-issue beyond online rage.

They're an astonishingly small minority that has an extremely high mortality rate, and even the ones that survive tend to cluster in hyper-progressive neighborhoods that are practically foreign soil for 99% of the population.

This isn't an issue offline.

>>51523452
>tag
>bbm
I know this one. I know it all too well. I use -bbm on my searches so I don't have to see a bald, dirty, pre-N64 Ganon impregnating the schoolgirls I'd be fapping to.

>>51523617
What's there to say at this point, really? Sure, we can bitch about "you sold your sword for WHAT?!" but nobody wants to actually talk about the legitimate problems with those characters.

>>51523739
>but nobody wants to actually talk about the legitimate problems with those characters.

Hold on, I'm going to start ripping the pages out of their backstory so we can give it the ole looksee, okay?

>>51523703
That's why you don't fucking say "zey", "zer", or "xir", and I not once said any of those terms. "They" is in the normal English dictionary, it is the accepted medical terminology for transgender humans, and it costs no extra time learning its use than any other word.

>>51523168
>I would rule that a 5-foot-step is its own action and doesn't count as movement for the purpose of stealthing or drawing/sheathing weapons

This is actually uncommon, I've seen a lot of people say 5ft step works for stealth.

>>51523340
>Hide in Plain Sight is a standard action or move action

Sorry, I should have been clearer, the HiPS I'm getting is from the Light Sphere's chameleon talent: there's no specific action for that, just a flat 'as long as you don't move too fast, you can make stealth checks while observed'.

>being allowed to move five feet is not a move action, it is an action you are allowed to take as part of another action

Stealth doesn't say anything about needing to take it during a move action. It just says it's not a separate action, and you can do it while moving.

I'm only half expecting this to work but the wording is arguably sound

>>51523739
>>51523749
Let's not go there
The AP was written with the style in mind that it was, let's leave it in peace.

>>51523705
"They" is a plural and should not be used on singular terms for sake of internal consistency. I mean it's used that way now so too late for that but 'he' is also objectively correct.
Really this comes from English being fucking retarded and not having a gender neutral term. In fact I believe that the gender neutral term used to be Man, and there was some other term for a male person in Old English that eventually got dropped because people assumed when you were talking about a person it was probably the man of the family.

>>51523751
'he' as an anon stated earlier is also standard neutral. for those that want to feel offended by this, consider this: by also matching neutrality, it effectively means that men don't have a pronoun of their very own. They share it with tons and tons of other things.

And we've lived with that for centuries.
Closed-Class articles. You can live with it as well!

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>>51523739
>>51523749
>>51523773
>The AP was written with the style in mind that it was, let's leave it in peace.

Are you uncomfortable that we might find something unpleasant?

>>51523779
it's he.
the gender neutral term is he.

it could've been she, but it's not, because it's one less letter and thus less work.

he.

because it's just less work.

>*disclaimer: "because it's just less work" is a terrible political slogan and should likely not be used by anyone hoping to obtain a high-office position.

>>51523779
Except They has always been acceptable for singular use. We dont -have- singular gender neutral pronouns otherwise because he/his is not gender neutral.

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>>51523791
>>51523749

Aaaand here's Irabeth.

Why is Horgus such an insufferable asshole?

>>51523802
I'm talking about the original Old English term
iirc there used to be a different term for men just like there's a special term for wo-men - something like wez-man or whatever, derived from spear-person as opposed to mother-person or something like that, and people just dropped it eventually because nobody talks about girls since they were never doing anything important you'd refer to them as group as.

>>51523815
Anon it literally is gender neutral.
"He who fights monsters" does not imply that only men may fight monsters or that a woman who fights monsters doesn't need to take care not to become a monster herself. "He" is the term for humans.
Educate yoursself.

>>51523815
"He" and "they" can both be used as gender neutral third person singular, so you should just use whichever is less confusing in the context.

>>51523791
Well of course you'd feel awkward growing up. Societal empathy is something we've evolved, which is why even infants try to 'be nice' when someone they know looks sad (even though giving us your pacifier just makes us think 'gross' and doesn't help). So the boy was *not* a sociopath by nature, and grew up being taught to be a right bastard by people which were quite clearly less-than-ethical and made 'victims'. How can you NOT feel awkward about that?

>read Planes of Power
>lots of creatures
>all the msot powerful are female
>90% of the active creatures, good or evil, arte female power mongers
>men are lazy, murderous, or stupid, and outside of two positions of power, not noteworth
I'm thinking I don't need to get any more APs or Companion books any longer.

When you front load the game with so many women in power and in positions of importantce that a ~lesbian~ can't enjoy their presence at all, you're doing it wrong.

>>51523834
That usage of he is in reference to humanity in general, not to a specific person. When referencing a specific person they is more appropriate.

>>51523570
Nah nigga, it's black Histry Monf, we gotta talk about Black Gay Transgender Womyn's Studies to be all intersectional and shit

>>51523850
did you know even bats have it? and they'll even eventually stop caring for another bat and ostracize it if the bat consistently refuses to help or share.

My level 12 sorcerer can spend a 6th and a 5th level spell slot to drop 206.25 damage in one round with some fireballs.

Intensified quickened fireball and Intensified empowered fireball combined with red dragon bloodline and blood havoc. Spontaneous metafocus keeps the non-quickened one a standard action.

Is this too much to drop in the surprise round? I have 4 6th level slots and 7 5th level slots per day.

>>51523861
When referencing a specific person "he" is still the gender-neutral term. "They" is a fucking plural, and while it's common today to use, it obviously is less consistent and does not make 'he' somehow less usable.

>>51523791

>They spend about three paragraphs devoted to how much Anevia loves Irabeth and their relationship

While this is quite a bit, Sheila Heidmarch (the only codex NPC with a husband) has about three paragraphs devoted to how she met her husband and their going ons too, although it didn't get this In-Character.

>>51523824
Because he's the strawman. Honestly, I kind of liked him better than most because he felt like he belonged in the world, both as a noncombatant noble and a challenge for the PCs to deal with that didn't involve combat.

If I get hands free weapons and twf while having claw and bite as a lizard folk, can I go bite,claw,claw,cestus,cestus on a full attack?

>>51523824
>have brought her fame
HAS.
YOU MOTHERFUCKERS, DIDN'T YOU HIRE AN EDITOR?

>>51523876
They has been used as the singular gender neutral pronoun since fucking shakespeare

>>51523791
>>51523824
Honestly, Irabeth's backstory is more snowflakey than Anevia. Anevia's backstory basically equates to "so I was raised by thieves and my mom got killed, I was raised by a priestess, and I fell in-love with the paladin that saved me from mutilation". At no point does Anevia start waxing poetic about her struggles as a man (and indeed, didn't seem to have any beyond what would have been difficult for anyone at all), and looking forward in the APs she doesn't even seem to have any problems with bringing up her past to others, since the person she was back then doesn't really matter anymore, due to being a woman completely and utterly with no sign of having once been a guy. I'd say Anevia is actually pretty well-written; kind of generic in the "good-hearted rogue that learned from the rough-and-tumble streets" way, but not actually badly-written.

>>51523894

Amber Scott is not exactly known for her writing.

>>51523876
They actually IS also acceptable and entirely appropriate for singular usage. It's not preferred over 'he' however due to potential confusion when rapidly changing subjects.

>>51523901
>imma go to the place that has battled orcs for centuries
>rather than the place that battles demons on the regular and needs all the help it can get
Irabeth is a retard

>>51523863
Let's talk about Black Athena

>>51523906
>>51523899
I didn't say they as the neutral third person singular pronoun was incorrect can you read? I said it's less consistent, for obvious reasons, since it's also the third person collective pronoun which can easily cause confusion.

>>51523901
No, 'she' literally starts crying about 'her' struggles at random.

>>51523538
No, the correct gender-neutral term is 'they'. Use of the singular they dates back to the 1400s all the way into Middle English.

'He' as a gender-neutral term was an invention of the late 1800s/early 1900s, as part of the grammar prescriptivists of the day being overly restrictive.

>>51523904
She is known for being a homophobic cunt though who needs a full beatdown from a gaggle of faggots

>>51523924
>someone makes an irrational decision
>THIS NEVER HAPPENS EVER SHIT CHARACTER TB

>>51523932
no one cares

>>51523901
True enough. I just wish they'd make it a little more blatant that there's backlash over them selling that damn sword. In a place like Mendev, that'd probably bring a damn sight more scorn and shame than what they used the proceeds for.

>You SOLD it?! What are you going to do if demoniacs attack?
>That's disrespectful to your fathers and your Goddess to do away with your weapon.
>I heard they're not even real knights.

>>51523927
>They is a fucking plural
>I didn't say usage as a singular is incorrect
He is also a plural, in that case.

>>51523953
Singular they has been an accepted part of English for 600 years. Singular he has not.

>>51523943
If people didn't care, they wouldn't keep talking about pronouns.

>>51523927
Actually you did.
>When referencing a specific person "he" is still the gender-neutral term. "They" is a fucking plural
Makes the remainder of the sentence following it read as a condemnation of the singular use for it as a grammatical error. Which it isn't.

>>51523966
Er... sorry.

Replace
>Singular he has not.
with
>Plural he has not.

>>51523873
Not really. fire has one of the most common immunity sets.

However, your metmamagic costs seem to be off. Quick is +4, Intensified is +1 Empower is +2, so they would be sixth and seventh level spells, and therefor impossible for you to cast in at least one case.

>>51523924
10 INT only gets you so far, and I never said Irabeth was well-written.
>>51523931
Bullshit. Post what page in which AP she starts doing that, because after the book that they're introduced in, Anevia and almost every other named NPC becomes a footnote that is hastily stapled-on to the "NPC reactions" at the end of most encounters. Also, there's literally no reason to use "Airquotes" even if you're an idiot, because Anevia IS PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY A FEMALE. She took the potion, she has tits and a vagina, her bone structure is feminine. She is 100% a woman, a thing that not even real-life transgender folk can even hope to accomplish.

So tell me, are you going to keep being wrong for the sake of being wrong?

>>51523932
He as a gender neutral term is correct.
>as part of the grammar prescriptivists
I will remind you that until the time of Johnson the English language did not have a unified set of grammar or even necessarily spelling so it is very nearly meaningless to discuss grammar used before him.

>>51523953
>he
>plural
If I say "He is hungry" can you explain to me how this implies there is more than one person who's hungry?

>>51523967
>and while it's common today to use

>>51523931
[Page Citation Needed]

>>51523950

Doesn't smite evil let your attacks count as good aligned anyway? You don't really need a holy sword if you are a paladin, even if it's very fitting.

>>51523977
My point exactly.
"They is a fucking plural, and while it's common today to use" means "people are doing that, but it's wrong"

>>51523974
It is after literally the first combat of the AP, it's not my job to educate you anon :^)

>>51523977
He refers to collective humanity when used as a gender neutral word, and thus is plural.

Using He as a singular pronoun for one person of unknown gender (even if they appear female) is retarded and They is better.

>>51523999
It's is not uncommon at all to use 'they' as a singular pronoun when referrign to people of unknown identiy in reference.

"The murderer is a canny motherfucker - they are covering their tracks well" is common parlance in writing and has been for well over 70 years.

>>51523991
High enough level and you can just use divine bond to turn your weapon holy at will

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>>51524002

>mfw the elf is butthurt because Irabeth indirectly ruined his relationship with Lylina or whatever the heck her name was
>mfw Horgus is literally, unironically, a mansplaining asshole whose only virtues are blunt honesty (hence mansplaining) and "Noble Privilege."

>>51523791
>>51523824
Ok so funny
I did not even know THESE were the characters people often talked about
I forgot their names but I remember the portraits. They were kinda passing NPCs and this drama never came up at our table.
When does this shit even come up?
At what book?
I remember them from Book 1.

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>>51523977
Well I guess He could be legion?

>>51524010
>He refers to collective humanity when used as a gender neutral word, and thus is plural.
What the fuck? No it doesn't.
"He who fights monsters" doesn't refer to collective humanity. It refers to 'some human somewhere who fits this description'. It's singular.
Under some circumstances, when we use He to refer to humanity as a collective, that is STILL singular. Humanity is a singular noun. Humans are a plural, but humanity is singular.

>>51523950

Irabeth is the current poster-child of "Heroes of the Crusade," she is supposedly one of the best Paladins in Mendev and a huge celebrity.

She can find another sword.

Speaking of celebrity, in which book does the party go from "experienced adventurers" to "holy shit those guys are living legends?"

>>51524002
Wrong.
Don't know what combat you're referring to if it is there, but the only time she actually flips out within the first dozen pages is over a ruined temple having been desecrated or some shit.

The most she does "literally after the first combat", unless you're going to cherry-pick something else and say that's TECHNICALLY still a true statement is be kind of mopey over her fucking broken leg.

>>51524002
The first combat is against giant maggots (like you) and not once anywhere that I can see does Anevia bring up her past. Why would you go on the internet and just lie like that?

>>51524058
>When does this shit even come up?

Almost entirely in Book 1, and beyond the lovey-dovey lesbian lovers thing her past status as a man only comes up if you try to become friends with Anevia.

>>51524060
"He who fights monsters" refers to any human anywhere, thus plural.

>>51524063
The party as in the PCs?
End of book 1 features the event that gives them the first mythic tier. They get another one or two per book after that, until they reach tier 10 a little bit after hitting level 20.

>>51524002
Yeah, you're a liar. She complains that she's useless with her broken leg in the first combat, starts worrying about Irabeth when you come across the desecrated temple, and then complains that Horgus keeps suggesting the party abandon her and the wizard because they're currently crippled and he's not. And then she shuts the fuck up for the rest of the adventure.

So tell me again, page number and book you faggot.

>>51524084
He who fights monsters refers to the generic human who is fighting monsters, the faceless nameless nobody who we use as a case study applicable to almost anyone. Thus singular. It doesn't refer to all the humans in the world.
Hell you even said it yourself - ANY human anywhere. "Any" is singular, as is "every". One refers to a generic, thus singular, while the other refers to a single group fitting the criteria following every, thus singular. "All", on the other hand, is plural.

>>51524078
We took the book 1 situation as kind of "desperate bid for survival" aka Walking Dead so we did not really spend any time gathering around the firepit and swapping life stories

>>51524085
>The party as in the PCs?

Yeah, the PCs. People like to emphasize how Wrath of the Righteous probably hypes the PCs up the most among NPCs out of any other AP (considering how visible their achievements are.)

Seems like it's the retaking of Drezen?

Grammarfags pls go

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Am I the only one that really wants to try out Wrath of the Righteous now?

>>51524117
I'm one of them and want it to end. Everyone should just admit they're wrong and drop it. Nobody is correct because language is fucked.

>>51524130
I want to see how bad it really is without reading.

So wait
Are you telling me
The most SJW AP of whole kindergarden pokemon pretending
Could be ... exaggration by people on this taiwanese pictionary tablet?

>>51524130
Just wait until TRUMPETS.

>>51524130
It's honestly not as bad as people make it out to be. The worst parts are the background writing (which almost always won't ever come up anyway unless you already knew about it), and Book 4 with the trumpets (the only legitimately-awful part of the book, and thus the only part that Paizo will defend as being completely fine with tooth-and-nail).

>>51524157

It's almost like people weren't introduced to the "social justice" aspects of the campaign in-game!

Things always, ALWAYS sound worse when it's straight out of the book.

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>>51524176
>>51524166
>>51524154
>>51524157

>mfw the only Wrath of the Righteous campaign currently recruiting is "super lewd."

>>51524176
>and Book 4 with the trumpets (the only legitimately-awful part of the book, and thus the only part that Paizo will defend as being completely fine with tooth-and-nail).

TRUMPETS is Book 5.

Book 4 is DOOM.

>>51524195
>not wanting to be super lewd

>>51523972
aw fuck you are right. Dammit.

>>51524195
It's not that lewd.

>>51524294

It's literally called "Wrath of the Raunchy" and wants an F-List from applicants.

>>51524312
what's an F-list

>>51524312
Says you can offer one if you want. Doesn't "want" one, just that people volunteer that to show they're prepared for when lewds happen.

>>51524321
ERP

>>51524321
ERP Forum. Advertises as for furries, but really, it's at least 50% big musclebound black dude characters.

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While we're on the topic of Wrath of the Righteous and the currently recruiting Wrath of the Raunchy, what are some character concepts you'd really like to see someone apply with?

I'm in something of a Dark Souls mood, so a concept that falls in line with one of those characters would be muy bueno.

>>51524360
Care to elaborate on that? How do you define a Dark Souls character without the mechanics of that game? Because most of them rely pretty heavily on it to be anything more than random encounters.

>>51524357
It's also 50% poorly-written futas, and 50% incredibly generic "will do anything you feel like" average anime males.

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>>51524381

Something along the lines of the character's role in the game, their lore and backstory, and suggestions on how that could translate into Golarion.

Dragonslayer Ornstein makes one heck of a dutiful spear-wielding Warder (ZS) with a focus on Elemental Flux, for example, and the Abyss Watchers kind of go without saying in how they could fit with a literal war against the Abyss.

>>51524360
I had a poison-based character that, post level 8, would have Celestial poisons and begin busting out literal mountains of poison. That's something I'd want to try in a non-evil game.

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>>51524360

>4717 AR
>Not making an Avowed (Celestial) infused with the coalesced hate and rage of the Defenders of Storasta

Wait... Would such a character be more Celestial, Nation or Self?

>>51524448
Nation, but an avowed//cha spiritualist so you can play Axl Ro.

>>51524412
True enough, though their lore would need a drastic rewrite, given the differences between the demon-Abyss and the dark-Abyss. One you can push back against if you've got enough paladins, the other is basically a giant "You Lose" button that only gets worse the more you try to fight it.

>>51524499
>Nation

Wait... It says Aether Pulse gets a +2 to damage and attack against enemies of your nation (which the demons most assuredly are.)

If I used Aether Channel on my weapon, does that bonus still go through?

>>51524545
Abyss in Dark Souls is more like negative energy plane

>>51524360
>>51524412
>dark souls character for a lewd WotR game
I'd suggest Desert Sorceress pyromancer except 90% of the enemies are probably fire immune

>>51524633
Well, demons, so electricity immune. But probably at least resistant to fire.

>>51524649
Then make the Ivory King and show those demons how they do things in Elyum Louce. And if need be take off your pants.

>>51524633
dont worry
just refluff the fire

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How would you stat The Legend? Zweihander Sentinel?

>>51524749

Half-giant Zweihander Sentinel.

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>>51524704

W-W-Wait.

Would this be an Avowed (Elemental Ice) || Warlord, or Avowed (Self) || Warder with a focus on Elemental Flux.

>>51523290
google spell db. there should be a csv of every 1pp extended spells

Are there any class features, racial traits, or feats that specifically describe your character as physically larger than is average for your species?

I know the Brute Vigilante kind of does.

>>51524792

The former, though the Ivory King wore heavy armor so you'd have to buy into that with a feat.

>>51524824
>Are there any class features, racial traits, or feats that specifically describe your character as physically larger than is average for your species?

Bred for War (Trait.)

>>51524824
Bred For War mandates you to a 6-foot minimum, implies much taller and broader.

>>51524792
My post seem to get that image as a reply far too often.

I would guess Self-Warden.

>>51524560
Aether Channel still does Aether Pulse damage, so yes.

>>51524839
>tfw not 6 feet

>>51524749
Highly mobile, ultra bulky, fucking invincible, tons of reach. It's basically a zweisent with broken blade traited back in and permanent displacement

>>51524833
>>51524839
Unfortunately as an Orc I'm already 7'1". I was looking for something more species agnostic. Thank you though.

>>51524725
Hey, the Breath of Ugin is technically fire. Sort of.

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>>51524925

>>51524928
>Broken Blade
for what purpose? Weapon Adaptation to greatsword?

>>51524928

So in other words, The Legend is a Mythic ZweiSent with a custom sword with reach and the Champion Mythic Path granting him Impossible Speed (+30 to base.)

Add Avowed (Self) to that and the feat that pings class abilities off of Strength.

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>>51524633
Wildblooded Sphere Sorcerer(Primal Fire) 1/Elementalist X//Prefered Path of War class(or just a single level dip into one, since you want a feat that needs a maneuver not maneuvers themselves.)

Trait or tradition into Elemental Flux.
Pick up an E.Flux manuver
Take elemental focus(Fire)

Fucking laugh when your character eventually becomes capable of burning fire elementals to death.

>>51524811
That is incredibly useful. Thanks.

RotJR starts tomorrow! Are you excited?

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>>51525470

Do I look excited?

what spells have the maximum lewd potental?

Hard mode: no mind control.

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>tfw writers block for backstory

So, do you anons prefer elves or humans for your casters?

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>>51525470
Kind of. I celebrate quietly.

>>51525479
How would people know. Nobody knows how you look and you post an anime girl instead of your face so one cannot tell how excited you are.

>>51525493
Stone to flesh

>>51525493
Any polymorph spell, black tentacles, and grease.

>>51525493
Alter Self.

>>51525493
Wave of ecstasy

>>51525510
>Stone to flesh
?

>>51525493
Limp Lash

>>51525552
Make a staue out of stone with any features you want, whether it be cow tits, a horse cock or both!. Turn that statue into flesh, suddenly a perfect waifu/husbando.

>>51525579
That's not how that works

>>51525579
Pretty sure you can't actually create life with stone to flesh, so you'd just end up with a lifeless pile of meat.

>>51525493
Fireball

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>>51525470
No

>>51525470
The PbPs have already started! I hope that the regular games are successful!

>>51525579
You'd probably have to make some sort of golem with it first at the very least

>>51525493
[Wish]
Alternatively
[Genesis]

>>51525605
Can I fuck it though?

>>51525825
>Genesis
>For when you want to... "Shatner on the Mount"

>>51525834
...I was going to ask you whether you're into necrophilia, but then I realized that the fetish you appear to have probably doesn't even have a name.

>>51525837
just make a plane filled with mindbroken succubus sluts with heart pupils lad

>>51525665
The PbPs are going pretty well so far, from what I hear. People's characters getting to know each other and so forth.

>>51525825
>Genesis
I don't get it. I read the spell. It seems like its strictly worse than create demiplane.

>>51525855
you could do that, or you could hug that mountain.
to envelop it.
that mountain.

to hug the mountain.
that mountain.
that mountain.

>>51525864
To be honest I don't even remember the difference between the two so eh

>>51524357
>>51524391
I used to have the stats somewhere. Males are most popular, approximately equal to females, and those two are about twice as popular as the next most popular gender.

Something along the lines of
30% male
30% female
10% futa
10% herm
10% transgender
5% cuntboy
5% male-herm

>>51525643
Poor Mountain Tim, you were far too pure for this sinful world

>>51525875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU2ftCitvyQ

>>51525956
So... 30% male, 30% female and 25% futa?

>>51525985
Futa isn't even an option. It's shemale, herm, transgender, male-herm, cuntboys, males, and females.

Shemales, and herm could both fall under futa. Trans probably could too.

>>51526087
I'm just going by what >>51525956 says. 10% futa, 10% herm, 5% male herm adds up to 25% futa(or herm, if that's the word you prefer to use).

>>51525502

That is a lovely woman! I prefer humans because I make humans!

>>51525956
>cuntboy
what is the appeal
literally worst of both worlds

>>51526118
Male-herms hardly qualify as futa.

>>51526186
They're generally shit. The good ones are basically shota.

>>51526188
Same difference as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to deal with either.

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>>51526186
That'd probably at least attract femboy-fetishists. Male-herms, now that just sounds like no matter what your orientation, you're gonna be disgusted.

>>51526226
UR-GATHOA ASKS
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE

>>51526226

The first half of this thread proves people have very weird things they identify as, much less what gets them horny.

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>>51524176
>only part that Paizo will defend as being completely fine with tooth-and-nail

M8, the guy who wrote that part has publicly said it was a mistake.

>>51526226
But the entire draw of femboy types for me is that they're male where it counts but very feminine. The "cuntboy" thing is effectively the opposite, physically female but masculine.

>>51526276
You don't understand. /pol/izens are looking to get triggered because they need some reason to justify why their life is so worthless. Facts won't get in the way of that.

>>51524176
>the only legitimately-awful part of the book, and thus the only part that Paizo will defend as being completely fine with tooth-and-nail
First off trumpets is book 5. Second the author has publicly apologized because he felt the scene did not turn out how he wanted.

>>51526390
>>51526276
The author, yes. But the company behind him (AKA Paizo) has gone on-record that the only thing they find wrong with it is that the trumpets do too much damage. NOT that Iomedae is written poorly in it, NOT that it fucks with the party's perceptions ("Demons cannot be redeemed because they are demons", as a succubus that wants to be redeemed is sitting a couple yards away from them), and NOT that it shoehorns the party into doing something that is sub-optimal for the sort of thing that heroes like them deserve to do. I feel bad for the author, but I feel frustrated at Paizo.

>>51526433
>company defends their authors work when attack in public
What the fuck did you expect them to do?

>>51526433
>The author, yes. But the company behind him (AKA Paizo) has gone on-record that the only thing they find wrong with it is that the trumpets do too much damage.
[citation needed]

>"Demons cannot be redeemed because they are demons"
This is entirely accurate. Their redemption is death. Give them the peace of oblivion for their blighted souls.

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>>51526459


>implying redeemed succubutts are not the best

>>51526433

Paizo did the Iomedae thing because they probably realized the entire Crusade is winning purely due to the efforts of 4 veritable demigods, and in a flash of idiocy thought they wanted to show the war was "more than just the party."

It was also because Paizo couldn't be bothered designing a complex demon castle encounter.

In the end it's irrelevant, the party ends the campaign exactly how you hope it would end, and each party member is quite literally the apex of both mechanical and narrative potential (level 20 / Mythic 10.) A few flat flicks should not spur the masturbatory power fantasy this campaign is.

>>51526459
You can Deus Vult all you want, fact of the matter is that in that VERY GAME, you have a succubus in the process of being made Good.

>>51526539
Yes, I played WotR. I was a paladin of Damerrich, The Weighted Swing. I gave the succubus the option of a dignified execution, far more than I would to other demons. It was the reward for attempting to resist her corruption.

>>51526506
I gave her a proper dignified execution.

>>51526539
>>51526459
>>51526433

Doesn't the text say you CAN say "nobody is beyond redemption," as long as you give thought to it?

Iomedae only trumpets if you declare a yes or no immediately, like a fool who doesn't think things through.

>>51526578
The fact that you can super easily have direct proof sitting right next to you means that a lot of people will answer quickly.

>>51526578
>tfw I played WotR as the party face
>tfw I was a hardcore Asmodean Advocate
>tfw I had already become a mortal herald
>tfw I had earned the title "Incorruptible"

Time to burn more demons at the stake.

>>51526576

Oh jeez, and I thought proponents of Damerrich insisted he wasn't this robotic terminator.

>>51526640
Redemption is a lie and evil is a memetic disease. Despite becoming good the succubus still carries the seeds of evil within herself. If she is truly good she will give herself up to the executioner's axe.

My character gave her the reprieve that once her work was done he would execute her and that it was the only truly good thing she could do.

THE SUCCUBUS PEOPLE TALK ABOUT
WAS LITERALLY FUCKING TOUCHED IN THE VAGINA BY DESNA
IT IS NOT A FUCKING NORMAL CASE

>>51526576
>carelessly executing someone on the path to redemption

Do ho ho nice try.

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>>51526576
>Performing an execution to an innocent being
>not making any punishments match the crime, if there be any
>being irresponsible, and not allowing responsibility from others
>passing a final judgement on an entity that is actively doing good and not committing any crimes or sins

You have no idea what Dammerich even stands for, much less how to play as one!
That's pure Ragathiel bullshit, Dammerich is the god of responsibility, just punishment, and duty, not the god of "kill em all and let Pharasma sort them out"

Hell, it EXPLICITLY states that he hates corrupt and kill-happy executioners, and that he also protects the wrongfully convicted or the harshly judged from recieving an unfair punishment or fate!

fuck off you bitchfaced edgelord, and actually learn what deities stand for what

>>51526640
you're right, anon is just a hige fucking faggot

>>51526578
>like a fool who doesn't think things through

...or like, you know, anybody basing their decisions on any of the myriad of real-life or fictional religions where you're obligated to offer the chance to repent/convert to everyone, EVEN IF you get hurt in the process.

Even in Golarion there are deities like that. Sarenrae, for example, is all about love first, and smiting after only if it's clear that the love part isn't working.

>>51526670
>>51526576
>>51526459
>tldr: someone who never actually played WotR and is pretending they did to get a rise out of people

>>51526676
Yes, but what are the odds the PCs know that?

They're asked "Can everyone be redeemed"

They have a redeeming succubus.

The question isn't "Can everyone be redeemed without divine intervention"

Just yes/no. And you have evidence for yes.

>>51526676
Still a succubus, still physically that of a demon. She is quite literally made of evil as all demons are born of the abyss as their larval state absorbs the essence of the plane. She was touched by Desna to complete a great work, and through it redeem her soul. At the end of that redemption is the executioner's axe and her end. She may go to it smiling know she has tried to do some good.

However doing good does not excuse evils of one's past. One can not whitewash one's sins. Redemption lays beyond death where all are judged.

>>51526576
>proper dignified execution.
>For crimes that were not being committed despite already being on essentially cosmic community service duty
You're just strawmanning what you thing people who support the death penalty sound like, aren't you?

>>51526695
You realize she committed quite a few crimes. Her crimes warrant execution.

Doing good does not erase past sins.

>>51526578
>Captain America looks over at Bruce Banner. "Everyone has the potential for good in them, even if-"
>TRUMPETS

>>51526727
Except her being redeemed literally removed the Evil subtype.

She categorically is no longer made of evil.

When I played WotR my character had a huge distaste for the "redeemed" succubus. However he was an Asmodean Advocate. Her presence disgusted him, especially with Desna involvement.

>>51526765
>>51526746
Wait, did she not actually do anything evil while a succubus? I'm confused. What about before her magic desna touch?

>>51526795
Well she did evil before that yes.

But she loses the Evil subtype. Thus, she is no longer made of evil. By definition.

>>51524312
>>51524195
Busy WotR DM here, the goal of the campaign isn't to be lewd. It's more "I'm not gonna berate you for being lewd, it's acceptable here and there's the chance something lewd will happen, but don't expect full on magical realm back to back to back."

alright bye bye, gotta hammer out assignments and get back to roll20 set up

>>51526776

>not having a use for a CG redeemed succubus who will do anything to prove herself

Father Asmo is frowning on your lack of judicial creativity.

>>51526804
I mean. Becoming good doesn't make you not a criminal.

A murderer who repents is still a murderer, even if they are now a better person. Forgiving her is not the prerogative of the judge.

I don't see why she should go unpunished, and if she is good now she should be willing to serve her punishment.

>>51526751
She was on cosmic community service, and was now of a Nuetral alignment, was being actively sponsored by a church, and were service and sentance was decreed by a legitimate divine authority

Further, she no longer has an Evil subtype, so your argument in>>51526727 is invalid

AND FINALLY, Dammerrich states that punishment must match the crime, and that people can indeed repay their debt to society if the crime isn't severe and a proper sentance can be held, and to take the lazy way out and kill people regardless is a Disgrace to him as his job as the Divine Executioner, since it shows a lack of respect and responsibility to the important and crucial role of executing the truly wicked

Are you sure you followed Dammerich, or where you being empowered by Ragathiel or that other edgy blind Empyreal Lord instead?

>>51526795
Outsiders can change alignment only when affected by something
Outsiders do not change without a catalyst, but they can change when they are outside of their native plane

>>51526795

I think before the Desna touch counts as 'Not culpable for her own actions'. She was literally made of evil at that point and incapable of otherwise. Now that she has a choice she's doing good.

>>51526751
>>51526795
"I did evil in the past" is not justification enough to be executed or, in this case, murdered (because that's what it would be). Otherwise pretty much everyone on the planet, both in Golarion and in the real world, would be on the chopping block.
>>51526776
See that's a legitimate reason to not like the character in-setting, and kudos to you for that. This edgy Damerrich-tryhard right >>51526828 is just being an idiot and should have fallen from LG-ness for his actions, if they even existed.

>>51526828
And so her just being offed is a better option than her being alive so that she can do actual good acts and make up for what she did in a sense other than a MUH PUNISHMENT?

>>51526821
I made use of her. My character was highly paranoid about Desna's involvement and wary around the succubus all the same. Disgust and distaste does not rule out use. My character had distaste for the Iomedaens, but still worked with them and made use of the crusade.

>>51526828
>Forgiving her is not the prerogative of the judge.

You know that 'Remorse for actions/how you've acted since them' can dramatically change sentencing, right? It's the difference between the minimum sentence for a crime and it's maximum.

THERE IS NO JUSTICE WITHOUT MERCY
WITHOUT MERCY, YOU HAVE ONLY VENGENCE

>>51526828
>I don't see why she should go unpunished, and if she is good now she should be willing to serve her punishment.
The whole point of her redemption mechanic is for her to serve her sentance and repay the cosmic debt of her past crimes. She, by participating in the Crusade, is ACTIVELY serving her punishment, much like how some places used to/still force convicts to perform manual labor, or how in ancient times prisoners were made into Indentured Servants

>>51526844
It doesn't really seem like she was given a choice. It seems as if she was simply forced to be good as she was once evil.

>>51526861
The execution was not immediate. He gave her the repreive until the crusade had finished and the world wound closed. Desna had use for her and it was not his prerogative to destroy a divine tool until it had completed its taste.

>>51526847
>"I did evil in the past" is not justification enough to be executed or, in this case, murdered (because that's what it would be). Otherwise pretty much everyone on the planet, both in Golarion and in the real world, would be on the chopping block.
"I did evil" and "did things a succubus does" are very different. Again, she needs a trial.

>>51526912
>>51526892
Do we have a list of her crimes from before Desna's intervention. Depending on what they are service to the crusade may not be enough to repay.

Desna is not the end all of judgement or justice. Especially as a CG deity.

>>51526956
>Desna is not the end all of judgement or justice. Especially as a CG deity.
And a mortal with a greataxe isn't either.

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>>51526910

Victims cry out for justice. The guilty beg for mercy. Justice cannot be carried out if mercy is granted.

>>51526983
That's not justice, that's revenge.

>>51526979
And thus she should have a trial for her crimes. Unfortunately the land around the world wound is essentially lawless. The Crusade itself is the best you're gonna get.

>>51526988

Justice is not revenge.

>>51526882
Your character is not a Paladin, he is a Lawful Neutral crusader hypocrite

>>51526926
Being an employed Outsider Servant working directly for a God that is not your own, and having been sentanced to actively serve her time and debt in that deity's comission, she is outside of your jurisdiction for conductiong a trial.

Further, you are an executioner, you are neither the Judge nor Jury, nor did you grant her a proper or just trial

>>51526956
And neither is Dammerich. You could have petitioned a full and proper trial officiated by both gods and an impartial third party, however serving an execution without consent from the individual who holds the criminal's indenture is or even a proper warrant is a gross breach in cosmic protocol and justice.

You are not being a servant of Judgement by your actions, you are being no better than a vigilante thug shanking someone in a back ally, or some other form of lynching

Or are you just frightened that both your God and the other Gods will make a judgement you don't agree with?

>>51526988
Serving the punishment for one's crimes is not revenge. Mercy is the suspension of justice.

>>51527030
>Your character is not a Paladin, he is a Lawful Neutral crusader hypocrite
No I'm a different guy. My character was a LE Asmodean Advocate.

>>51527010

Justice was already served via Desna's touch.

This is like saying a robot still needs to be punished for malfunctioning *after* you fix the hostile lines of code.

>>51527049
Sorry, my mistake

>>51527032
Justice is not the same as hurting people
If the evil person turned good, he is redeeming his crimes every moment.

>>51527030
Like I said. Not my prerogative to destroy a divine tool until its work was done. Same with my character. I was a mortal herald.

Desna obviously should not be involved with the judgement as she has a conflict of interest. The person there of jurisdiction over events of the crusade was Iomedae. After the world wound is closed she should hold and officiate the trial.

>>51527062
>Punishing a robot
Except, that, fundamentally, most aligned outsiders still have free will. Sure, they are heavily influenced by their home planes, but fundamentally they don't act as automatons or as gears on a clock. Dispater is the greatest example of this, as the one devil that has felt multiple times the fires of romance. This is particularly true in the case of chaotic outsiders, which are by nature bound to do as they wish/desire.

Comparing an automaton to an outsider (With the exception of perhaps some Axiomites) is a significant mistake.

"Everyone can be redeemed, if you use a helm of opposite alignment on them!"

>>51527102
Some crimes are too great to be redeemed with actions. We would need to have a trial and examine her crimes in detail.

>>51527062
Desna turning her good is not justice, it is not even redemption. Changing her nature does not erase her past. One would have to examine her crimes and weigh on the scales her actions and possible future actions against those of her past.

I'm playing in a low level game where the DM has decided to include homebrew guns, effectively making any martial other than a Musket Master obsolete as they're capable of pumping out 6d10 damage with a x3 crit multiplier on a range of 15-20 before iteratives, all the while targeting touch AC for over a hundred feet. I thought playing at lower levels past the initial 8 health speed bump would alleviate rocket tag, but now it's even worse because there are only so many ways at this level to increase touch AC, and with every NPC somehow using a gun we're kind of fucked.

He's a good guy but holy fuck does he not understand the meaning of the word "balance." Does anyone else feel like commiserating with similar stories?

>>51527124
Well how do you philosophically define crime too great then?

>>51527062
Outsiders do not actually need gods to change their alignment. They can do it on their own. Desna, from what can be seen from events, essentially forced her to be good and chose her as a divine instrument. If her doing evil is excused as one being evil then her doing good is also meaningless as it is influenced by Desna.

The real answer is she had to an extent free will both times and on both ends she is responsible for her actions. Her sins while evil and triumphs while good together form the full picture.

>>51527131
TELL HIM TO STOP BEING STUPID

I have a magic hating path of war warder hunting down a party member. The party has a SoP warp sphere caster who saves the party by just teleporting the party away. How can the villain stop them doing this?

>>51527141
Crimes such as the destruction of good souls. Crimes that are incapable of reversal.

Salvation of a soul does not excuse the destruction of another.

Essentially crimes of permanence, beyond healing.

>>51527166
Keep marksmen trained on the caster. He starts casting, they open fire. Use the dimensional anchor spell and dimensional anchor traps.

>>51527032
Serving a punishment that is not matching to the crimes, and is neither equitable nor just due to misappropriation of the numerous factors surrounding the crime, and does not balance the societal and karmic debt accrued by the criminal in question is not Justice, doubly so if said individual lacks the authority and jurisdiction to deliver said punishment. It is vigilante lynching

>>51527103
THEN WHY IN THE FLAMING FUCK DID YOU KILL THE ACCUSE BEFORE THE TRIAL YOU FUCKSTICK! Desna, Iomedae, and Damerrich could have easily called her to the trial themselves, especially since as an Outsider bound to Desna she can be recalled an almost a moment's notice. Then you just let happen what I suggested in>>51527030, since they have jurisdiction over the individual in question, and you don't you fucking murderhobo.

If you're so worried about not getting your murder wet, then request to be present for the trial and to be the one to volunteer passing the sentance. If not, butt out of it you fool mortal

>>51527160

So Justice was served because a god grabbed them and threw them onto the path of redemption.

Where have I heard this story? Wasn't this how Saul became Paul?

>>51527187
>Essentially crimes of permanence, beyond healing.

Like murdering a penitent?

>>51527166
Do you know what drawbacks the spherecaster has taken? If he has verbal components a lot can be solved by removing his ability to speak

Moreover, if your big black knight has a follower or two he can command his archers to ready an attack to interupt casting.

>>51527195
>THEN WHY IN THE FLAMING FUCK DID YOU KILL THE ACCUSE BEFORE THE TRIAL YOU FUCKSTICK!
I didn't. I offered execution and gave her until after the world wound's closing before judgement were to be passed. However I made it clear that she would receive judgement for her crimes, what ever they may be.

>>51527187

Daemons and Qlippoth destroy souls, Demons corrupt them.

Arueshalae is a demon.

>>51527187
There is no proof actually that energy drain destroys a soul

>>51527219
>So Justice was served because a god grabbed them and threw them onto the path of redemption.
Justice was not served, she as a tool merely changed hands for who influenced her. She still is responsible for her actions while both good and evil.

>>51527242
>>51527243
I was giving an example. That's why I said her crimes would need to be examined in detail. There is all the chance her execution is not warranted. However it is highly likely her actions during the crusade have not been enough.

>>51527123

>tfw making an Alchemist who will go around turning the tide of the bloodwar

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/alchemist/discoveries/paizo---alchemist-discoveries/change-alignment-greater-su

>>51527219
>>51527224
This

>>51527237
So you are still acting and making promises that are outside of your jurisdiction.
So tell me, if Dammerich where to come down, tell you to cool your tits, and that she has another duty of cosmic service she has to fulfill as part of her penance, woukld you throw a fit or what?

You're acting like a loose-cannon cop, and not the good kind either. The Punisher is not a good person anon, nor is he any form of Paladin material at all, and what you're being right now is The Punisher

>>51527276
>This discovery remains controversial at best.
I like that ability description

>>51527299
Agreed, mechanical descriptions that include some fluff are always fun.

>>51527299

>some good organizations ban its use, citing good by any means other than purity of heart is zealous slavery

>The effects of this infusion may have serious repercussions for a creature suddenly struggling with a new outlook.

>>51527264
>However it is highly likely her actions during the crusade have not been enough.

According to you, it doesn't matter to you what she does. She did evil before and so she had to die. You've made it clear there is no reason for or hope for evil people to be redeemed. According to you, it doesn't matter if she spend 10,000 years doing good because she did some unforgivable thing before that and she has to die for it.

>>51527264
Then why start making promises and declaring execution right now, rather than just taking the time to pray to Dammerich (and the DM) for guidance on the issue, and to have them give you your orders if its such a confusing situation that would require such extensive ammounts of evidence and court work?

Stop misrepresenting Dammerich you fucking chode

>>51526829
Ragathiel would probably support Arushalae, having been born of evil himself. He's the child of Dispater and probably Sarenrae and proved himself to the other Empyreal lords

>>51527318
Well it is total mindfuckery
If it was done to you when you are not awake, you mind could kinda fall into denial and live through it
But if it happens to you and you know that it did to you, but because of the forced change, you HAVE to think your new alignment is what you want and always wanted
Your whole life past becomes contradictory with your new wants
You spent your whole life doing what you feared, hated and loathed
You are a monster

>>51527345
Actually, Ragathiel's mom is a TN spirit of fire, not an angel.

>>51527166
Take Mage Hunter levels, have him follow through the teleport thanks to Tethering Point.

>>51527345
>>51527365
Feronia according to the wiki?

>>51527276
>change alignment can only turn people good

That's silly.

Also kind of out of theme, what with the Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde thing.

>>51527365
>>51527372
Ah, I was just reading Chronicle of the Righteous and he looked a lot like he'd have come from Sarenraes loins.

Also dat Lymnieris

>>51527389
Well it is from book about good stuff

>>51527318
>>51527361

>use it on a True Neutral
>"Wait, why am I going out of my way for these people?"
>"I don't gain anything from this, why does it feel so nice?"
>"This is going to get me killed, I'm sure of it. So why am I still doing it?"
>"This guy literally killed my father. Why can't I finish him off?"

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This talk of execution makes me wonder-when was the last time you had an enemy at your mercy?

Did you finish them off? Or did you stay your hand?

So I'm the Asmodean Advocate guy from before in WotR. Honestly I do not know how to feel about the AP.

>>51527458
Why?

>>51527441
My character made a bet that the captured enemy wouldn't make it to the sheriff alive.

She won the bet.

>>51527474
Starting to feel like I should fedangle it with papa asmo to get as much of the crusade destroyed as possible while still closing the world wound.

>>51527441
Me and another PC actually had a confrontation like this over the matter of a major antagonist I'd just brought down.

He wanted him brought back to our kingdom to stand trial, so that he could be disgraced and "proved" to be a bad ruler. I wanted him dead out of the belief that it'd be better for him to die in battle, like the soldier he was and also because I was getting pretty sick of all the politicking going on in the campaign.

Figured we should decide this like it's Pathfinder, and roll off--his Diplomacy vs. my Intimidate. I had a racial bonus, a feat, and a trait on my side. Our enemy's head got a burial alongside all the other kings.

>>51527441
We caught some bandits and any that surrendered or fell unconscious were captured. The party Ranger threatened them all every now and again - we even used his less-than-merciful tendencies for intimidation a couple of times.

>trying to figure the last person I want to invite if no more apps come in
>hardest thing ever

in the meantime, tell me about your custom magic items!

>>51527515

Before you do, I invite you to consider the track record of people who sell out the protagonists, convinced that stopping the true threat will be a trivial matter even without assistance.

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>>51527542
What game?

>>51527515
>shitting on everything the other players will support will definitely not get me into any trouble

>>51527441
We didn't have the food or energy to keep captives so I killed them.

>>51527559
Just my game I'm running in the infancy of my homebrew setting (players confined to one country, the one I've done the most development for).

The tentative party right now are a Ninja, a Myrmidon and a Fey Adept, and I'm trying to figure the final slot. A lot of casters have been submitted.

>>51527441
We left him in the woods tied to a tree, leaving his fate to the gods.

>>51527441
He was the adopted brother of three of the PCs (a player that quit and game back to be a boss fight).

I said "Death to traitors" since he had betrayed us all for money.

I was killed for "daring to damage our brotherhood!"

>>51527441
They're bandits so you either shatter or remove their hands so they can't steal

>>51527552
What I'm getting is that if I force Iomedae's hand there is a legitimate chance that the inheritor's death could be on the table. Closing the world wound takes top priority and my character can not do it alone, but if he ensure the Inheritor's death or injury that would be nearly as important as the world wound incident itself.

>>51527568
I don't think it won't get me into zero trouble. I'm thinking it from the perspective of my character who has been an Asmodean Devout since day 1. The party knew this and knew I was evil and the mortal herald of an infernal duke.

>>51527635

>Sure bet of solving the Worldwound issue while earning your god a lot of brownie points he can use down the road for any number of nefarious plans vs. a shitty half-cocked plan to fuck over the people whose help you need in the dim hope that you can solve the issue despite it all

Again, I invite you to consider the track record of people who try the same stupid shit you're proposing.

>>51527635
>if he ensure the Inheritor's death or injury that would be nearly as important
How.
How is that important to you. How does that even begin to approach the significance of THE FUCKING ABYSS ENCROACHING ON THE WORLD WHERE YOU LIVE.

Even if you do believe you know the answer to that last question, how do you know that. Unless your GM specifically has told you, as Asmodeus, that such a thing is true, you have no reason for your actions other than wanting to fuck the rest of your group over.

>>51527635
>thinking one god out of a bunch of mortals who have ascended to gods is nearly as important as a problem that none of the gods all added together have been able to fix

>>51527591
Wait.

WAIT SHIT I KNOW WHAT GAME YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

FUCK ID IDNT THINK I'D GET ACCEPTED FUCK UFCKGUSRH

>>51527697
My character has been in communication with Asmodeus talking over the conceptual idea. He has communicated back that injuring the military capabilities of Iomedae, either directly through her injury, or the crippling or her organizations, are aligned with his interests.

My GM has hinted at it being connected to political turmoil in Cheliax.

>>51527694
>Again, I invite you to consider the track record of people who try the same stupid shit you're proposing.
I realize. Which is why I need to be careful. The plan is to solve both. Injuring Iomedae's military capabilities plays a secondary role to closing the world wound.

>>51527742
My character has run the idea by Asmodeus, who has communicated that closing the world wound takes top priority, however crippling Iomedae's forces is an endeavor worth pursuing.

>>51527748
If you really do, why not? If you're the Fey Adept, it's a much more interesting of a character than some of the others on there.

Do you not want to play?

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>>51527798
I think I know what game you mean, anyway. It's completely fine if I do get in, I just make a habit of going into everything without expectations, which gets me surprised half the time.

I like to think it makes me write characters that would fit into a campaign and a world, like if I was a GM. I guess I better finish that sheet huh.

>>51527532
Did either side end up being petty or whiny after this turn of events?

>>51527884
It offered a nice contrast to the other two I had chosen for the tentative party so far, but also complimented them as well, so it was a good fit.

Filling the fourth slot is the hardest part right now.

>>51527749
>>51527635
The main problem is that Iomedae and Asmodeus, on a theoretical level, are allies; if it were something like Papa Asmo vs. Shelynites it'd be another story, but for the Crusaders, the legitimate assistance and reliability of Asmodean faithful is expected and appreciated. All you'd be doing is backstabbing and ruining the good faith built-up over a hundred years; if anything, ruining the crusaders would get you thrown out of Asmodeus' favor rather than gaining it.

>>51527946
>The main problem is that Iomedae and Asmodeus, on a theoretical level, are allies;
That was retconned.

>>51527988
>>51527946
Also I have come to this conclusion after contacting Asmodeus directly.

Who is the best deity and why is it Shelyn?

>>51528023
Kurgess because he became a deity for tackling raptors.

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>>51527920
I also noticed how there weren't many female characters, so I thought I'd throw it in. Looking forward to playing!

If you want my advice, fill that last slot with a wild card. The characters so far all have fairly down to earth personalities, which means you can throw in something wild and rely on the rest of the party to keep them in check.

Failing that, why not shake some people up? If something is very close to what you want, poke at them and see if they'll change.

>>51528067
Yeah, I'm trying to figure who would really work and not just become the antithesis of the party that gets killed by the other PCs because they keep causing problems.


The apps go until Saturday (and then the game starts on the 19th instead of the 12th, found out I'm getting a surgery done that weekend and had to move the date), so maybe something that fits exactly what I'm looking for will pop up.

We shall see.

>>51528067

>That pic

Sexy ladies acting all cute and demure is great! It's great!

>>51527124
>Changing her nature does not erase her past.
Changing her nature effectively makes her a different person than the one responsible for the past crimes, especially seeing as it's done by divine intervention. Or are you saying that children should be punished for the crimes of their fathers?

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>>51528023
That's a really weird way to spell Irori.

>>51528334
W-

Wha, is this a shitpost? What's good about Irori? She just feels so terribly generic and boring to me.

So folks I think I've encountered a pretty meme-y build. It's gestalt but works fine if your DM uses the Fractional Base Bonuses system.

Basically, take 5 (the minimum to qualify) or more levels of Roil Dancer Kineticist (I recommend 7 or 8, as it gets you an expanded element or Infusion Spec 2) then take either 6-7 or 10 levels of Mage Hunter.

The thing is, Roil Dancer uses Constitution as their Initiation Modifier. Mage Hunter grants Magus casting based off your Initiation modifier. It's awesome.

If you do gestalt, you should use the Iron Caster fighter that uses Barroom Brawler/Martial Flexibility in order to get all those nifty spell-like abilities from Item Mastery Feats, based off of CONSTITUTION, in order to become the memeiest con-based build ever!

>>51527294
>The Punisher is not a good person anon, nor is he any form of Paladin material at all, and what you're being right now is The Punisher
Punisher is Lawful Good, though. He kills only the wicked and takes great pains to avoid hurting anyone who doesn't deserve it.

>>51528353

Ironic identifies as a male, shitlord.

>>51528369

The Punisher is Chaotic Good, murder is not exactly lawful.

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>>51528108
That can be an element of the player, not the character... which is a lot harder to evaluate.

Good luck with your surgery. I count it among my blessings that I'm one of those individuals that never has to have their wisdom teeth removed.

>>51528301
Beautiful women unsure of themselves and doubting their own sanity!

>>51528425
Lawful does not equal following the laws of the land, anon. Murder can be perfectly lawful course of action.

>>51528369
He butchered innocent civilians back in the Vietnam War, this is canon. Therefore, by your earlier logic, he's deserving of execution and cannot be considered Good.

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>>51528353
>he doesn't even acknowledge his Triune Self
Most of Golarion's deities are defined as a set of semi-related behaviors with a unifying theme. Irori is the deity of philosophers, the deity of understand why you act the way you do.

>>51528482
Not the same guy m8

>>51528482
I'm not the anon who was posting that crap, dude.

>>51528513

Triple Aspect deities are amazing and I'm very butt flustered Bioware did not include any in Golarion.

>>51528482
He's also said at one point that after he's done, he's got one last bullet for himself

>finaly get friends to play tabletop game
>decide on pathfinder
>go to local mom and pops
>"u got pathfinder core book"
>nah people play dnd around here
fuck i tried to support local buisness, amazon it is then

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>>51528572
>buying PF books

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Sometimes I feel frustrated with my lack of understanding of what a 'good' person is, but then I realize no one else knows either.

You guys always make me feel better about myself.

>>51528444

Beautiful women doubting themselves and their beauty is about as "aww" inducing as stoic hunks becoming indecisive!

>>51528571
And at least in the Punisher MAX canon, he's been noted that he continues to find slimmer and flimsier justifications as to who counts as a "criminal". Even with an oath to off himself at the end, the Frank Castle of that universe was sliding more and more into having no moral ground to stand on whatsoever.

>>51528615
Hello, Kettle.

>>51528619
Wasn't Punisher supposed to represent what happens to a hero when they kill indiscriminately? What happens when someone with the power to do whatever goes over the line?