Pathfinder General /pfg/

Reposting from previous tread
Does anyone have Dreamscarred's Psicrystal book?

>>51512046
>tfw I love eberrons warforged and changlings
>tfw no one uses them in pf

Which gods are the most interesting and profitable to worship or serve?

Never played with Path of War before, how good are Zweihander sentinel warders?

>>51512130
Asmodeus is one of the best for a lot of reasons.

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>>51512137
Fucking Awesome.

Though some would argue too awesome as there is very little reason to NOT be a Zweihander Sentinel and/or an Ordained Defender(beyond flavor).

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>>51512173
There's a very good reason. Brutal Slayer exists.

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>>51512173
>Imperials

Good taste.Well I need to make one by tonight for a game, I would go ordained defender but I prefer 2h weapon over sword and board.

>>51512206
>OD
>sword and board

hahahahaaaa, you poor, innocent cinnamon bun you

>>51512206
...OD has nothing to do with Sword and Board, and it stacks with ZS.

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>>51512189
True, True. God I wish Stalkers were full Bab or at least got a Little more class feature wise.

As for Brutal Slayers, I wish the AC came on earlier/at a less awkward level but I know they wanted to avoid the "every STR character dips this" archetype.
>>51512206
They stack
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>>51512261
>>51512228
>>51512219
Oh. I'm not very familiar with PF, sorry.

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>>51512306
It's fine.

>>51512306
The thing about OD/ZS combo is that you're Wis-based, can take the Conversion Inquisition for Wis-to-Diplomacy/Bluff, and have Scarlet Throne. Scarlet Throne has Sense Motive-in-place-of-attack Strikes. Strikes which multiply your damage if you hit. By using a Wis-based skill that you'll quickly have high enough to never fail with.

>>51512306
LITERALLY KILL YOURSELF REEEEEEE!
It's actually interesting. According to Paizo they wouldn't stack, since they alter a single class feature, but DSP waived that if the alterations don't interfere with each other.

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Threadly reminder to succumb to despair and torment.

>>51512374
Damn, Zonzon, when'd you get such a sweet ass?

>>51512374
Go away Kirei

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Has anyone used Ascension Game's Saboteur class? What'd you think of it? I'm playing one right now, just reached 7th level.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/ascension-games-llc/saboteur

>>51512327

Papa Nier is such an awkward goofball.

>>51512351
>>51512356

That does make it sound kinda strong. The warder I was thinking of was a classical knightly type and not a paladin though, so not too sure on how well I could make it work. Maybe I can shift some shit around though.

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>>51512411
>The warder I was thinking of was a classical knightly type and not a paladin though

How knightly do you wanna get, senpai? Because if you've got the notion I've got the potion.

Do you want to wield a sword and shield, or a sword, or a spear? Do you want to ride a horse?

>>51512411
Well Eternal Guardian, Silver Crane, and Black Seraph are all knightly. You could go Chivalry Inquisition for a free Cavalier horse.

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>>51512411
Path of War fluff is supposed to be incredibly flexible. A Warder can pretty much be "anyone who would wear heavy armor".

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>>51512374

Nah.

I posted in last thread about assassins game but we didn't really talk about it.

Here is the easier way to do it. I'll create a poll. Create your ideal party.

Remember to try and vote for 5 characters.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12249945

You can find character details:
>>51510115

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>>51512438
The story is about saving a princess so I want to be maximum knight and chivalry.

>>51512381
You don't get to be called the "Lord of Dark Temptations" for no reason.

>>51512411
The thing about pow is that it raises the skill floor and ceiling considerably, so it's easy to get huge. As long as you aren't taking everything and hyper optimizing, you should be fine.

>>51512442
>Black Seraph
>Knightly

>>51512483
Well, not a *good* knight, but hey, could make a decent Black Knight type.

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>>51512452

I too enjoy lions as animal companions

>>51512507
Sneaky Bastards, lions are.

>>51512483
Think Black Knight type. Not entirely evil but likely to drift that way do to over dependance.
Also
>implying you can't be an Evil, yet Knightly character.

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>>51512464

Strength-focused Warder (Hussar/Zweihander Sentinel) buying Heavy Armor proficiency back with a bonus feat and using the Unorthodox Method trait to replace Iron Tortoise with Silver Crane representing your KNIGHTLY VIRTUE.

If you want to sword-and-board, get Scarlet Throne Style so you can have a shield in one hand and a sword in the other!

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>>51512452
>>51512507
I agree

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>>51512483
Yes, very much so.

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>>51512130
Groetus. That way you'll never be disappointed.

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>>51512507
>>51512452

Lions are such lazy creatures, though.

>>51512374
But I can't until I've made everyone else despair first!
My current character's concept is to be a huge annoying bratty bitch that's unlikeableness is just slightly less than her usefulness, and when she dies she'll explode out of spite hopefully killing everyone around her.

>>51512548
>>51512464

Oh, and get Steel Skin as your second trait because it gives you +2 Intimidate *and* a custom-made steel helmet!

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>>51512582

Just part of their charm.

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>>51512585
You are a good disciple of Zon-Kuthon.

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>>51512374
>implying Shelyn's baby brother knows true despair

>>51512633
>>51512548
Some good ideas at least, thank you!

>>51512672

Shouldn't you be making an AMV?

>>51512672

I would be full of despair if I had to live a cucked life to urgathoa too

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>>51512684

Be warned! I only suggested Hussar so you can get a MIGHTY STEED, which may or may not be useless in the grand scheme of things.

If you are willing to just have a "common" heavy warhorse (Which might be the better option), go for Warder (Zweihander Sentinel) with Mounted Combat!

See, the three feats you need to get to become the Ultimate Knight is Mounted Combat, Spirited Charge, and Ride-by Attack.

>>51512548
>>51512722
You should never ever bother buying heavy armor proficiency back, though.
A Mithral Fusing Full Plate with a Steelbone Frame on top has 0 ACP, and as such, no penalties for not being proficient with it.

>>51512722
OD with the chivalry inquisition gives you a mount without any of the Hussar's bloat, and also switches your initiation stat to Wisdom.

What is the general consensus on the Life sphere? Is it missing anything it should have?

>>51512691
>Zyphus
>having a computer
>not needing his cultists to do all the actual work

>>51512772
>A Mithral Fusing Full Plate with a Steelbone Frame on top has 0 ACP, and as such, no penalties for not being proficient with it.

And when is this KNIGHT going to be getting his armor? He can't wait until level 12 to become truly anointed in a shell of metal, he needs it NOW DAMMIT.

>>51512782

Perfect!

Remember, a knight be not smert, but he must be worldly!

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>>51512797
The life sphere is almost too good at what it does if you ask me. It's way too easy to cure negative levels and ability drain with it.

It also lacks any kind of flexibility. You heal people and that's it.

>>51512936
>It also lacks any kind of flexibility. You heal people and that's it.

Can't say i disagree, but what else should it do?

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>The Sultana's LFG Page no longer exists
Was there a catalyst?

>>51512828
Start with a chain shirt or a breastplate, then.

>>51512936
Overspecialization is what Spheres of Power is all about, anon.

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>>51512959
Honestly, I've struggled with that too. I feel like it should have had some things that boost saving throws rather than break people out of failed ones, and some other supportive things to do besides heal.

>>51513018
You're not wrong.

>>51512959
Unfortunately Plantlife geomancing from Nature already does a lot of the other things I think Life should be doing.

>>51512999
2hu finished building his character to level 16, at which point the game was closed because it had succeeded in baiting autists into wasting hours of their lives building a character and giving them hope they'd actually play in a game.

>>51513043
Stuff like that would fit better into like, protection or something though.

>>51512999
What did you expect? It was a meme game

>>51512999
Yes, the stupid catboyfucker showed up.

>>51513043

Those is really pretty clothes!

>>51513157
>Stuff like that would fit better into like, protection or something though.

Protection can dish out saving throw bonuses, but so can War, and I think Fate can, too, so I don't think letting Life dish out a bit of saving throw help would be terrible. Hell, Protection can heal hit points, so it's only fair!

>>51513043
>>51512959
Increase conception chances.
Provide disease types
Allow for growth and fecundity

>>51513271
Protection can heal really really badly.

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>>51512999
The page is back up.

>>51513271
Light and Alteration can heal too, so it isn't really that bad.

Some overlap isn't a bad thing.

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>>51513260
I like throwing out character art whenever I post.

Should Life sphere have some way of attacking? Beyond hurting undead?

>>51513496
Unless it's something like giving people super-cancer, I don't see how it would fit thematically.

>>51512453
>http://www.strawpoll.me/12249945
Come on friends! Vote!

What would a SoP Creation talent for turning a creature into an intelligent magic item look like?

No extra item powers or anything, just the same mental ability scores and whatever preexisting abilities are usable in the new form.

>>51513414
Well now I'm just fucking confused

>>51513015
You could always just retrain the feat later on into something else, once you can afford he better armor.

>>51512999
Probably just a glitch with Roll20's shitty connection then, all things considered.

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Hello fellow anons of /pfg/, its me the guy you all asked to make that race of dear/goat/shepp/whatever the heck people.

Well, good news is I just got back from the range, and am back home for the evening and have a 1st draft playtest for the race if ya'll want it.

Is now a good time to post it, or should I wait for later? Does anyone still even care about it anymore?

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>>51513658
>Does anyone still even care about it anymore?

Gibe.

>>51513496
If there can be negative energy damage that still hurts undead, I don't see why there can't be positive energy damage that still hurts the living.

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>read up on vigilante talents because of sky pirates
>pretty much all of the social ones are situational at best and shit most of the time
>Literally no reason not to get companion to the lonely
>Feel weird about placing this embarrassing tidbit on my character sheet

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>>51513516
Are you the GM?

>>51513658
Sounds like it'd be fun.

>>51513516
Whoever the catboy feet is supposed to be

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>>51513667
>>51513704
Well, here it is.
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A0q5DEoX2fNWVSNVUaheeFOAjtBN0NQoS85s5SbZN-Y/edit?usp=sharing

It even has options for Muntjac people! Blackbuck people! or Dahl's Sheeple!
And they have a bactstory that DOES NOT involve boning magical animals like the horrible bloodforge race that shall not be named

Comments are enabled for those who wish to point out any problems or stupid things, or for people who wish to comment and add their own ideas they might like. Or to just tell me I'm a faggot.
Or can just comment here too as well I guess.

Now, its still first draft, so there's still some stuff not added or finished yet, so keep that in mind.

Also I am putting in an autism warning right now!
If you don't like autistic levels of detail, turn back now!

>>51512120
What are Eberron warforged like, anon?

I'm making a magitek setting that's advanced past the Steam Age, and I've already lifted Warforged and Shifters, but hadn't heard of Changelings, I guess.

>>51513700
Funny enough they're not. I am, and I didn't create that poll.

>>51513699
>tfw the companion is yourself
>1 hour of jerking it for some bonuses each day

>Mage Hunter is a prestige class in Path of War
>Roil Dancer is a Kineticist Archetype, also from Path of War.
>Mage Hunter grants Magus-list spellcasting using your initiation modifier.
>Roil Dancer uses Constitution as its initiation modifier. It also gets 2nd-level maneuvers at 4th level, and qualifies for Mage Hunter by 5th level.

Golly gee I've found my next character!

>>51513260
It's a dragon, of course she'd wear pretty clothing.

>>51513776
Eberron practically made warforged. They're pretty fun and unique, and there's a reason they were one of the most popular races back in 3.5.

I think they'd be unbalanced in PF, though.

>>51513776
I meant Changelings, but I'm human garbage who can't type.

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>>51513777
Tsk, that figures.

Witch hunt anon back at his games.

>>51513782
>-2 cha mod due to 7 cha
>Fluffed out that you see yourself reflected on the scrying globe after finishing your wank
>Die a little inside and lose desire to live

>>51513796
I think the KoP stuff has a "blast boon" so you can keep the Kinetic blast up.

>>51513699

Why don't you want to be a slut, anon?

>>51513806
Yeah, my stance on races is that they should all be as strong as Aasimar, Human and Tiefling, since I got sick of ONLY seeing those three, so I started lifting races people told me would probably be OP, in hopes I'd see anything else.

>>51513853
>Definitely, this character could just get by on Dex+Con alone. The problem is that it stunts the BaB growth quite a bit.

>>51513776
They're constructs, with all the immunities and defenses of constructs.

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>>51513836
do you get negative morale points?

>>51513882
They're living constructs, which specifically disables some of the immunities and stuff of the construct type. In-setting, it makes them more flexible as soldiers since they can learn and grow, and out-of-setting it makes them more feasible as PCs.

>>51513810
Take a look at 3.5's Races of Eberron for some lore info on changeling culture and society.

>>51513796
Don't you need spellcasting to get Witch Hunter?

>>51513880
If fractional bab isn't in place, then sure.
They both have a 3/4 progression, so going from one to the other isn't going to affect the bab progression at all if fractional bab is On.

>>51513948
You do not actually. That's what's great about it.

>>51513968
Good point. I'll have to request that. Still, the idea of a Mage Hunter using Constitution to cast spells is awesome.

>>51513774

I... I want to play one.

I need to play one.

>>51513774

>Ungulate Speed
>STR/DEX
>Horns

Imagine the Barbarians!

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>>51513774

Not going to lie-looks nice.

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>>51514026
>You will never play as a qt deer girl barbarian

>>51514013
Well too bad, because I'm not a DM, and good luck getting a DM to read through this whole autismplatter just to let you play one

>>51514026
I had considered making a Barb archetype, but couldn't think of a theme I could justify, and felt Cavalier was much more appropriate.

>>51514031
thank you fox-anon, I appreciate it

>>51513774
>that Cha-based Hunter archetype

fuCK I WANT THAT. I WANT THAT RIGHT NOW. NO, FUCK YOU THAT "but it's a downgrade!" I NEED IT AND MORE LIKE IT RIGHT NOW.

>>51514048

How cute we talking?

>>51513774
-wis seems a little strange for a race born from a master hunter.

also that would make it harder to play aht so that's an issue

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>>51514153
Very cute.

So folks

Gestalt is fun for theorycrafting: What happens if we combine Roil Dancer -> Mage Hunter with an Iron Caster fighter on the other side?

What is the best sneaky initiator? Do any initiators specifically make use of Luck bonuses?

>>51514168
Maybe because of their naivete? Could offset it pretty easily with a racial +2 to Survival and Perception to notice an ambush.

>>51514168
They were born from a fey lord taking a mad cannibal hunter-turned-deer, and making horribly cursed fey abomination babies that were design to hopefully be as crazy as a fey.

I felt that Wis penalty was a good indicator for it.

>>51514134
Actually, I'd argue that it works more like a sidegrade, since the Fey template companion.and being able to poach SLAs and things from it is potent enough for what it traded

So I take it this is a hint to put in a corollary saying it can be take by other races?

>>51514216
It's just that that naivete seems a little strange considering the backstory. It's not a huge deal but still worth complaining about because this is /tg/,

>>51514245
Oh right, they do -wis for insanity, not just lack of perception. Yeah, good point.

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>>51514261
Also lack of impulse control, as described in the fluff

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>>51514245
Considering it is a gateway to intelligent, fey animal companions? Fuck yes you should do that. You have two things I want most: making a Wisdom class be Cha-based (Hunter, Inquisitor, Warpriest all need one) and giving an Animal Companion a cool template (something only fucking Aasimar are really allowed to do, via feat) that does something cool and makes them INTELLIGENT.

Your race may not have +Cha maybe an alternate racial, in place of +Str? you've still got better design sense than some people.

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>>51514303

Oh, you.

>>51514338
I will never stop pointing at this shit design no matter how much people tell me to stop.

If I had the TWF-grace feat I would post it right now

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>>51514303
>Animal Companion a cool template (something only fucking Aasimar are really allowed to do, via feat)
Actually no. I was inspired by the Divine Hunter archetype which gives you a Celestial or Fiendish animal companion

>Your race may not have +Cha maybe an alternate racial, in place of +Str?
NEVER! You will have nervous and socially awkward deer people that jump around making the clippity-clop noises with their hooves, AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!

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>>51514365

Oh, I'm not telling you to stop.

>>51514376
stop forcing your fetish on people, gaaaaawd

>>51514365
That particular catgirl (and catboy) species actually has a reason for the two ear design.

The upper ears aren't ears at all - they're telepathic antennae.

>>51514428
The fetish was requested by another anon, and came with the original request for the deer race.
I am not one to disparage the people who commission my time to make pointless fantasy races

Though admittedly, I do have a softness for things that are cute and sweet, but not lewd

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>>51514376
>Divine Hunter actually gives a template
huh, didn't actually know that. It gives that REALLY UNDERWHELMING template, but it's something I guess. I just want more ways to slap templates on an Animal Companion to make them cool. Animal Companions are cool, and need more love. Cat is Fine Too-anon pls go.

>awkward deer people with no +Cha
I can live with this, honestly. Your race is perfect for Str-Based Self Pact Avowed and other things of the sort.

>>51514400
It's not as shit as what I meant, but it's the only screenshot from villain codex I have. Behold: Wasted potential: The Feat Chain

>>51514442
I wasn't calling the cute anime girl headpat gif shit, anon, take a look back up. Also 4chan ate my image for that post, fuck.

>>51513810
>>51513776

Changlings are part doppleganger in Eberron. They come in a few philosophical varieties regarding how often they should use their shape changing abilities but they are basically just really good at shifting into others.

>>51514473

>Make a genuinely good race
>Mock the folk who want to use them for supposedly being fetishists

Anon! No! Bad!

>>51514504
That was not my intent with that post, and I apologize if it came off as that way

>>51514489
My bad. It's still interesting to note that it was an inworld explanation for two ears for once.

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>>51514473

>Cute and sweet, but not lewd

Word.

>>51514207
>What is the best sneaky initiator?
Pretty sure that's Stalker.
>Do any initiators specifically make use of Luck bonuses?
Warlord, the bonus to accomplish Gambits is a luck bonus equal to your Charisma modifier.

>>51514489
It could have been SO COOL. Make TWF builds something special by letting them effectively negate some of their penalties and help allies. Instead we got "reduce armor to AC by a tiny amount."

>>51514499
Ah, okay. I lifted a mannequin shapechanger race from /pfg/ a long time ago, which fills the same niche, it sounds like.

I'll still look into them whenever I get some time, especially for their culture and these philosophies on their shapechanging.

>>51514641

This might help

https://sites.google.com/site/eberronpathfinder/

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>>51514641
Do they look like this?

>>51514641

IIRC there were 3

>one kind stayed in one form/race and shunned their heritage
>one kind embraced it and went all out, shifting all the time
>one kind kept to the natural form preferring it to shifting

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Is Deadly Agility a fair feat? Should it be core?

I really think 5e fucked up by letting Dex affect damage by default. Attack, I agree with. But damage? Should have at least cost a feat. I'm sorry but Dex on damage represents knowing to aim for precise areas, or hitting more quickly or some shit, something that should require special training. It makes no fucking sense that a level 1 kobold does d6+2 damage.

>First level monks with 3d8 damage hadoukens

I may have gone too far in a few places

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>the pbp starts to slow down

Unchained Monk & Ninja with Synthesist (G) for Assassins. Yes, no, you're fucking cancer?

>>51514849
> I'm sorry but Dex on damage represents knowing to aim for precise areas, or hitting more quickly or some shit,
Things anyone who picks up a weapon should know how to do.
> It makes no fucking sense that a level 1 kobold does d6+2 damage.
Why? Did your character die to Kobolds or something. Monsters are dangerous. More news at 11.

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Now, I know people have said how they like the stats and such of the wendiabe, but I gotta ask something.
How's the fluff? How about the physical characteristics? Its not too autistic, is it?

>>51514889
You best not be one of my players, I'm waiting on you guys on all three fronts.

>>51514849
Strength adds to attack and damage on normal melee attacks, strength increases carry weight, if you have 20 str you have the carry weight to use full plate which is 8 ac, if you have 20 dex you have 5+armor ac which will usually put you around 9 or so.
The problem comes from many games ignore carry limit because it is annoying to keep track of, and also touch vrs flat footed, in a regular game things that force attack vrs touch are much more common then attack vrs flat footed and there are even feats to get around the flat footed.
All in all I think it should be core and it is fair, your good weapon options are usually low damage, or exotic, so you in reality need to burn three feats, well an str person needs to burn 0 most the time, those three feats can make a lot of difference when used properly, and the way DA is written you only get dex to damage, never dex and a half from two handing, giving STR a strong niche still.

>>51514889
That's kinda just happens with pbp's man
Just keep playing, ride it out.

>>51514473
Don't worry, famalam, I was joking.

>>51514849
>inb4 the "why ever use str lmao" shitposts

Dex-to-hit being standard is cool. Dex to damage, in pathfinder's design context, MAKES SENSE to be a standalone separate feat, though I still think by default it should add a negative Str modifier to damage should you have one. Should it be less restricted in 1pp? YES, fuck yes, absolutely, but there also be reasons to keep Str around without dumping it besides the carry weight system that barely anyone pays attention to beyond the first few levels.

>>51514889
you in that Dark Souls/CoC game that was recruiting?

>>51514889
Inevitably happens. Sometimes you get periods where people are motivated and post a lot, and then things slow down.

>>51514303
Personally, I want Wis options for Arcane Casters

>>51514903
Didn't lose anyone to kobolds. It just seems retarded that some barely-trained kobolds can fight Drizzt-style with a shortsword.

> Things anyone who picks up a weapon should know how to do.

Not necessarily. They may be aiming for precise areas but not hitting them. In the gamist context of D&D and Pathfinder, Dex-to-damage coudl represent any number of things.

>>51514943
But the lighter armors weigh less. Savage Worlds uses weight to balance armor which I admire the elegance of but also hate. But yes Dex is still inferior for high AC in D&D.

Do you think the PF devs will ever incorporate it as a core feat? I know devs have made accouncements on RPGs before like that.

>>51514966
I completely agree.

>that NPC encounter you could never work into a proper game

For me, it's a caster (Wizard? Shaman?) who goes around finding Polymorph victims and restoring as much of their humanity as she can. She'd try to help them reconnect with their past lives, or if that fails help them come to terms with their new existence - whether she can make them entirely human or not.

I doubt the concept even works mechanically, one of the examples was supposed to be a Minotaur who she'd found as a cow on a random farm and been unable to change all the way back. There'd be few clues to her origins, but those few might lead to an aging tradesman's missing son.

>>51515062
That'd be cool. I'd love it to be object-based power, like from mana stones or something.

>>51515165
>It just seems retarded that some barely-trained kobolds can fight Drizzt-style with a short-sword.
Except your not because they presumably don't dual wield nor have the feats Drizzit have. Even he had to start somewhere.

>>51512713
I want to marry Urgathoa!

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https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/68106/volorexis-streets-of-cantha

Advertising at a more reasonable hour. Won't post the link for a week, promise.

Low level eastern street game. Lot's of bad feelings to be had.

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>>51515226
>actually planning a short murder mystery campaign with the bad guy as a follower of Urgathoa trying to ressurrect the vic as his corpse-bride

Just a friendly reminder that Berserk GM is still looking for more!
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/67969/when-the-sun-falls

>>51514933
Which games are you running anon?

>>51515300
I'm the pervert running the discord pbp

>>51515192
Drizzt's most important feats:

> Two Weapon Fighting
> Two Weapon Defense
> Combat Expertise (the 3.5 version not the shitty Pathfinder version)
> maybe Deadly Defense as well.
> and Deadly Agility.

I mean, yeah, the kobolds don't have those, but they are kobolds. They are meant to do little damage. It takes a specially trained character to use Dex for damage like that. Strength should always be the default for melee damage. That's just my opinion tho.

You know what would be a fun game?

Tournaments.

The party are a troupe that travel from tournament to tournament, and occasionally going into a true battlefield as their lord requests. Every class can be used, every skill has a function. Bards are heralds for the knight, rogues pickpocket and blackmail. Cavaliers are knights of the joust, and fighters or barbarians can feel right at home in a melee. Even the Wizards can join into tests of arcane might.

What's comfier than going to sleep in a high-grade tavern's goose pillow mattress after a hard day in the lists, the rewards of your victories on your table and the token you took from that lovely noblewoman still carrying her perfume?

>>51515268
It would be cute! CUTE!

>>51515327
You forgot his most important feats of all!
Protagonist
and
Fiat

>>51515327
>I mean, yeah, the kobolds don't have those, but they are kobolds. They are meant to do little damage.
1d6+2 is an average of about 5.5

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Also why was Combat Expertise so brutally raped in Pathfinder? It was one of the shittier feats in 3.5 if I remember. I just liked being able to dump attack for AC when I was desperate, and CE actually saved my life once when I upped my AC from 26 to 28 and the DM rolled a 27 on an attack that would've killed me. Basically:

> play elf ranger
> go hunting
> party sorc who is 4 levels lower wants to come along
> grudgingly agree since at least he isn't wearing armor
> on the way back, dire boar shows up
> i hide, getting something like a 32 for my Hide check
> stupid-ass sorcerer decides to climb a tree and shoot magic missiles at the dire boar
> boar rams tree, knocks him down
> sorc gets gored
> finally I realize he is about to die and I run to save him
> engage boar, deal 30 or so damage to it. It does about the same to me
> my standard fighting arrangement is -2 atk +2 AC for my deadly defense, mixed with TWF
> decide to go -4/+4 just in case
> it actually matters and saves me
> finish off the boar
> meanwhile, stupid ass sorcerer is running away not even casting spells while boar is focused on me

Worst part was, after that I HAD to keep the little fucker alive or else all my sacrifice would have been for naught.

>>51515328

Sure would anon! Make a roll20!

>>51515397
>the average damage of a kobold would KO the average level 1 PC in two hits

Really Stimulates my Senses

>>51515435
>rusty dagger shanktown isn't a meme
Really Fires Up Those Neurons

>>51515397
1d6-1 is an average of 2.5. Which I really feel ought to be the average kobold damage. I mean, tuckers kobolds is one thing. Those kobolds should have deadly agility or something (though they used ranged weapons more). I just don't really like it much. I mean there is no real hard logic either way. I just don't mind spending a feat because it differentiates me a bit from normal rather than assuming every shortsword wielder uses Dex.

>>51515435
If you go into melee with next to no AC and pretty much no Con, you probably deserve that.
>not doing Max HP at first level.

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>>51515366
Apparently you and I have very different ideas about the morality of murder and necrophilia.

>>51515468
>5.5 average damage on a kobold would KO the average level 1 PC in 2 hits

REALLY thumps my thinker

>>51515475
Literally nothing wrong with enjoying some cold, dead booty, especially when you share it with the one you love!

>>51515537

I'm pretty sure fucking a cold, hard corpse isn't pleasant.

It'd be like... Fucking an ice bag, wrapped in velvet.

>Houserules that either make guns too powerful or crossbows too weak

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>>51515475
A corpse is an object, Anon. Is it amoral to use a tenga?

>>51515559
They won't get cold until some time after they die.

>>51515564
At that point, I'd just play Ops and Tactics or some other system that was actually made with guns in mind. Which is a shame, because sorta-18th-century nations like Andoran and Galt seem like they would be big on guns, but lolnope caster supremacy!

>>51515559
What if you snort ground-up handling bones off of it?

>>51515583
*halfling, got too aroused to proofread

>>51515537
>>51515559
>>51515579
>>51515583
>>51515598
Oh, right, I almost forgot this is /pfg/. Never mind, carry on with your you-ness, creeps. Maybe you'll be the villains in subsequent cases.

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>>51515617
Honestly, I'm with you on this one. Fucking dead bodies is pretty fucked up, all things considered.

Everyone knows Constructs are superior anyway

>>51515529
>implying that kobold is living for 2+rounds.

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>>51515617
Personally, I'm only sexually interested in mutilating corpses, not fucking them.

But I understand the appeal of necrophilia, so I wanted to chime in.

>>51515640
In general, Kobolds generally attack in large groups, as they are often too cowardly not to use numbers to their advantage

>>51515640
>implying a single kobold is where things become a problem

>>51515617
Fuck off, Pharasmite trash! If I want to chug elf blood every goddamn day while a sexy ghoul blows me, that's my goddamn choice!

>>51515657
>sleep
>color spray
>alchemist bombs
>alchemist fires
>the party fronliner probably isn't getting hit that often at level 1
>ranged attacks
>more than one frontliner
>etc, etc

>>51515657
>>51515658

KOBOLDS HUNT IN PACKS!

A WEAKLING IS A WEAKLING STILL!

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>>51515674
Well, If you're into that sort of thing. I'm not a judgemental person in the slightest and I guess they could do some fun things with those tongues.

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>>51515706
Then there's the matter of teeth.

Would you, /pfg/?

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>>51515745
I think you know my stance on this issue.

>>51515745
Every goddamn day until I couldn't move no more

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>>51512390
Oops, I forgot animeposting is the proper etiquette in these threads.

Has anybody looked at Saboteur before? It's been fun to play so far, though there's so many little things going on at once, it's hard to get a feel for how to build one up.

What's a good amount to spend as waifu upkeep money each month?

>>51515745
Vagina Dentata
Not a wonderful phrase.

>>51515881

Vagina Dentata
It will gnaw you for days!

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>>51515848
Yes.

>>51514943
>carry weight
>annoying

Not just annoying, also irrelevant as soon as everyone has a handy haversack.

>>51515914
It means no weenie, for the rest of your days
It's our testes-free, philosophy....

>>51515839
It's not that nobody like Oglaf, it's that nobody knows much about Ascencion Games, or this particular class. I own Path of Iron and allow it in my games, but I've never actually seen one played, so your guess is as good as mine for builds.

>>51515848
Most of your time

>>51515435
>>51515529
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/humanoids/kobold

The damage for a kobold is 1d6-1. Meaning they average 2.5 damage.

Let's say you're a fighter. At level 1 you can afford maybe Banded Mail. Let's also say you have 14 con (stats being 18str/12dex/14con/10int/12wis/11cha). You have 12 health and 18 AC.

Kobolds have a +1 to hit. Meaning they only hit a Fighter on a 17+

So let's calculate this out:

.15*2.5 (normal hit)+.05*.2*2*2.5 (confirmed crit)+.05*.8*2.5(non confirmed crit) = .525 Damage Per Round.

On average a single kobold will take 12/.525=22.8 rounds to kill the fighter.

In other words the fuck are you on about?

>>51515948

Everyone should praise Aqua! Praise her! Praise her! Spoil her rotten!

>>51515983
He's talking about with Dexterity to Damage, so d6+2 instead of d6-1.

But I'm with you, they still only have +1 to hit, so they have a 50%+ chance of doing no damage at all.

>>51515982
But I've gotta keep adventuring to put gold in the bank

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>>51515983
See >>51515397
The conversation was never about the default kobolds, it was about "kobolds with x"

>>51516005

Then she'll cheat on you with that buff half-orc across the street, and eventually leave you while demanding a portion of your income every year!

>>51516010
0.15*5.5 + 0.05*0.2*2*5.5 + 0.05*0.8*5.5 = 1.155
12/1.155 ≈ 10.4
Kobolds 2 OP pls nerf

>>51516029
What if I bring her on the adventures?

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>>51514916

Don't worry, it looks like it's within perfectly acceptable bounds of autism.

Why are third party classes so broken?

Is there a such thing as a charisma based stalker?

>>51515328
But will anachronistic rock anthems and a shirtless Heath Ledger feature at some point?

>>51516110

Yes... Yes, they will! There will even be Chaucer!

>>51516053
>1 kobold attacking a dude head-on will statistically do this

I never said that it was broken or overpowered, I said that two hits could KO a player. Given that it's likely a party of 4 would likely be facing 4-5 kobolds in a given encounter, maybe more, there will be a lot of attack rolls being thrown about before the encounter ends, on average.

Random chance is a bitch, as is trying to fight lots of "small mooks" at level 1. Granted, this is assuming it's not a PoW game, in which case why the fuck are you fighting kobolds whose only alteration is "they have deadly agility"?

>>51515976
Path of Iron seems like a solid 3rd-party book, but I have seen literally no online discussion in regard to Saboteur in particular.

I can at least tell you that in our group's experience, through 6th level, my Saboteur has been only as potent as my preparations allow. Not much surprise, considering the theme of the class. If I have the opportunity to set up the battle, encounters are trivialized. If I'm caught off-guard, using traps in a pinch is tricky until Swift Sabotage at 5th level. All of their "tricks" are pretty interesting and potent, which means picking only one isn't easy. We anticipated that Saboteur might be OP, so I've worked closely with my DM as we've progressed, but we find the unwieldiness of the trap system justifies the power, so far.

>5 Wisdom

but why

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>>51515976
Why do Fluffy Tails and Sultanas and Raisins both allow all Ascension Games?

>>51516174
>not wanting to play a genius yet ditzy wizard girl

>>51515948
Soooo, like, did she piss herself, or is she sweating, or did she just spill beer, or...?

>>51516200

Spillage, by the looks of it.

>>51512672
>Die from something trivial akin to choking on the stone of a cherry
>Harness the salt to become a god
How exactly is Zyphus' life despair? The guy achieved divinity through sulking and denial and now his entire life is to annoy other gods.

>>51516174

To emphasize how much of a vapid cock-hungry fuck-slut she is, anon.

>>51516230
He didnt get it from sulking. He got it through his deific-level butthurt.

And rather than becoming interesting, he'd rather be a bitch.

>>51516029
Then I will point out that I don't actually have any income. All I have are untaxed, unmarked "donations" from the dead and as such do not count towards my income. Any who disagree with this idea will have to argue with my dancing weapon.

>>51516230

Because for all his attempts to be the edgy "life is meaningless" black-cloaked nightmare that he imagines himself to be, he's pretty much the whiny teenager of the pantheon, and is taken about as seriously.

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>>51512672

What the heck did you just say about me, you little honey bun? iI’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Cutie Patooties, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret tweets on Crystalhue, and I have over 300 confirmed snookims. I am trained in butter biscuits and I’m the top sweetie in the entire US sugar doodles. You are nothing to me but just another Zonzon. I will cuddle you the heck out with warmth the likes of which has never been felt before on this Earth, mark my words. You think you can get away with saying that dookie doo to me over the Internet? Think again, cutie. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Mommies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the huggie wuggies, deary. The huggies that wipes out the silly little thing you call your meanie doodles. You’re in trouble, Zonzon. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can tweet you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in butter boops, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Cutie Wooties Fruity Tooties and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your widdle face, you little cutie pie. If only you could have known what huggie wuggies your little “tweetie weetie” was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your mouthy wouthy. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, honey buns. I will wiggle woop all over you and you will drown in it. You’re really sweet, honey.

Alright, stupid question.

You can't include a barbarian's rage bonus to STR and/or CON for the purposes of bonuses for a leadership role in kingdom building, correct?

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>>51516193
>>51516247
>5 Wis, 20 Cha

But... WHY?

>>51516440

You know what? Yes, you can.

If someone wearing a big belt can apply that strength bonus to their rolls, so too could and should a Barbarian with Rage.

>>51516450

Some ditzes are ditzier than others.

>>51516450

Did I s-s-stutter?

Because she wants to be beautiful, alluring, and extremely easy to get into a spitroast.

>>51516466
>multiple partners

But that isn't Justice

>>51516345
I don't know what to feel reading this, all I know is there's a slight burning sensation.

>>51516453
Rage is only a temporary bonus though. For a few minutes a day, at most, the Barbarian is really impressive. But just a few minutes a day. Unlike the guy with the belt, who's impressive all day long.

>>51516453
The difference is temporariness.

Whether or not you have enough rage for the number of things the check represents.

>>51516478

She's a whore, anon. A Calistrian whore. The only Justice she cares about is the Justice she believes in.

>>51516492
>>51516497

What if the guy is Raging the exact moment a check needs to be made?

Conversely, what if the guy wearing the belt isn't wearing that belt when he needs to make the check?

>>51516464
>>51516466
Wouldn't you want low Charisma if you WANT to get talked into getting gangbanged?

>>51516522

No? Defending against Diplomacy is built on Wisdom, not Charisma. At the same time, Charisma determines how much "draw" you have.

>>51516522
Nah, sense motive is Wis.

>>51516522
Charisma is your ability to talk your way into things.

Wisdom is the stat for realizing who's trying to talk you into things.

What initiators do unarmed well?

>>51516081
Because Paizo designs shit classes.

>>51516568

The Steelfist Commando is the greatest fister this side of your sister.

>>51516534
Er, is it? The DCs for Diplomacy are based on Charisma.

>>51516535
Right, that makes sense... if it's Bluff, I guess. What if they take a logical approach?

>Water Tight: A 7-point Persuasive Essay on Why You Should Get Gangbanged

>>51516627
Well that's them using Clever Wordplay.

>>51516627
Sense Motive is what you roll against Diplomacy and/or Bluff.

>>51516627
Diplomacy has nothing to do with your ability to make decisions only your ability to convince people that your decisions are right.

Wis 5 is someone with SEVERE fucking impulse control and will pretty much take anything at face value every-time. They are pretty much incapable of planning.

The character in question has the rational planning ability of a giant maggot.

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>>51516627

>You will never run a train on the party slut in the Rusty Dragon

>>51516627
Diplomacy DCs are charisma-based, yes, but you don't make Diplomacy checks against a player. A low Wisdom character is going to have low Sense Motive though, so they'll most things they're told at face value.

>>51516664
Unless they have high Sense Motive, in which case they still have bad impulse control but will see through people instantly and/or be so obfuscatingly ditzy that it's impossible to trick them into things.

>>51516736
But you'd only Bluff them if you're, say, using lies to get them into a compromising position for the gangbang. How do you handle someone making an honest and persuasive argument to your character to get gangbanged, if not Diplomacy?

>>51516800
Are you dense?

If your making the argument then yes, use diplomacy.

If your trying to see the reasoning behind the argument, use Sense motive.

If you're trying to decide if your character would go for the argument, just fucking decide what your dumb bimbo would do.

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Don't hide it from me /pfg/, What is the strongest/wierdest creature you've seduced. Mines Scylla

>>51516800
Bluff is for negging or 'nice guy' or 'I am just being a nice coworker' or similar attempts. Also all the shit that idiots pull in comedy-romance movies.

Diplomacy is just hitting on somebody, whether it's shitty catcalls (low or negative results) or suave flirting (high results).

Intimidate is for James Bond-style overly aggressive but not quite rapey seduction.

>>51516174
In reference to what?

>>51516800
>How do you handle someone making an honest and persuasive argument to your character to get gangbanged, if not Diplomacy?

That's out of the purview of crunch, because you don't use Diplomacy on player characters. You would just roleplay.

>>51516827
>sleeping with Scylla
>not even offering the same to Charybdis

How rude.

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>tfw you actually get solid critique and criticism to your homebrew deer race
>tfw its good critique that you can build off of
Nothing feels quite as good as when the critique hits you just right

>>51516827
None of them.

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>>51516827

Strongest? Elysian Titan. Weirdest? Atomies

>>51516827
Lyrakien Azata, I guess?

>>51516903

>Beautiful at any size category.

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>>51516907

B-but those things are TINY.

>>51516903

So you fucked a woman 52 feet tall, and woman six inches tall.

Well, at least you don't discriminate

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What gods have nuns in Golarion? What are some nun orders in Golarion? The more sweet and good and pious the better. I only know about those kung-fu Asmodean ones.

>>51516988

Rise of the Runelords explicitly states there's an order of nuns for Desna, and they only accept virgins.

>>51516971
52 foot tall women are the best women anon.

>realize as a luck thief vigilante that charisma becomes a huge work horse with Hoarded Luck & Improved Luck
It amounts to +1 to Attack, Damage, AC, and Saves per 4 charisma beyond 12. Plus 1 additional with Improved Lucky. Add in Fate's Favored and you can easily outstrip the bonus you get for actually spending luck.

>>51516568
Steelfist Commando Warlord is built for it from day one, Brutal Slayer Stalker can be decent if you're willing to spend feats, Sanguinist Medic is godlike.

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>>51516827
A Ravid, back in 3.5!

>>51516999
Any chance you remember which book that's in?

>>51517067

Book 1, it's among the first paragraphs of Nualia's story.

The Medic class by DSP seems really odd for me for the following reasons:
>doesn't receive Silver Crane, the healing discipline
>Doesn't receive any supernatural disciplines (seems kinda odd)
>Doesn't receive Fool's Errand

>>51517062
Hey, Beth needs that.

And that's a ravid? People thought crossing humans with that would make a waifu?

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>>51516345
Stop that.

>>51517186
>>Doesn't receive any supernatural disciplines (seems kinda odd)
It was meant to be a purely EX Healer class before Mr."Muh System expectations" shoved his dick in it. Silver Crane doesn't fit the flavor of the class either.
>Fool's Errand
Every initiator can swap to Fools Errand as the default anyway. There's no need to "mention" getting it.

>>51516988
>>51516999
>>51517067
>>51517136
Windsong Abbey is a multifaith convent that only accepts virgins for the sisters. It also shows up in Shattered Star Book 4: Beyond the Doomsday Door.

>>51517062
I... but... how?

>>51517205
Do you think people would bother if they weren't waifus?

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My GM is letting me play a Naga not unlike pic related.
I need character concepts because I'm drawing a blank.

>>51517253
Are you using the Lamia Commoner race or just a custom one?

>>51517211

Nah.

https://youtu.be/pzYLxafcPUg

>>51517270
Lamia Commoner though for the intents and purposes of this setting I'm a Naga.

>>51517334
Well, the biggest question is, "why are they among humanoids?" If you can answer that, a lot of other stuff should flow from it.

Exiled from home because of some crime? A total weirdo humanaboo and actively seeking out two-leggers? Orphaned after getting caught in a war between hobgoblin tribal nations?

>>51517226
>that only accepts virgins for the sisters.

I'm still amazed that Paizo actually included an organization that doesn't allow non-virgins among their ranks.

Like, is this the same company that created a "homosexuals only" combat style and then immediately nullified any significance it may have with a "oh but everyone else can use it too?"

>>51517035
No, stop that, you're going to take away my build for sky pirates!

>>51512672

>I've got a bone to pick with you.

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>>51516855
>tfw the critique turns to sour quibbling over semantics

>>51516345

How does one best fight evil in a way that is pleasing to the pantheon's #1 Cutie? What sort of build is best to approach a life of adventure in a way Shelyn would approve of?

Has anyone ever tried replacing WBL shopping with a Soulmeld allowance?

>>51516954
Gave her a tongue bath, my man

>>51517559

Quibbling passes, anon. Eventually.

>>51517616
I hope it does.
I'm going to sleep now. Perhaps if I'm in a better mood, and if there's interest, I'll share the race again tomorrow if anyone wants to look at it some more.

And who knows, I might finish the feats, give rules for adapting to Golarion, and then maybe ask for inspiration on my next race project.

Should the animal theme for my Big Guy for "When the Sun Sets" be a Stag or a lion?

Got any alternative suggestions for an animal?

>>51517672
How has that game progressed by the way? In terms of rules discussion about the weird archetype things.

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>>51517672

Rabbit.

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>>51517334
>>51517378
You should be a Police Constable, raise in an Orphanage for Monster like People.

Thread almost at bump limit, post character themes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eWVoHVzhxg

>>51517940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1o3koTLWM

>>51517940
So I have picking theme songs for all my characters.

Right now I'm on these:

>Akorian & Toad
>Moon born Assassin with a demon symbiote
>Pink Floyd's Brain Damage
>https://youtu.be/Bg_dfV4TO2E

>Argus Mangus
>Fish man asmodean advocate tiefling
>Ween's Ocean Man
>https://youtu.be/6E5m_XtCX3c

>Morg "Bubbles" Benson
>Gun wielding monkey witch doctor
>Guns N' Roses' Welcome to the Jungle
>https://youtu.be/o1tj2zJ2Wvg

>Benjamin Reed
>Street Doctor turned supernaturally lucky Lion Blade
>Kiss's Calling Dr.Love
>https://youtu.be/IDTE8DpkKE4

r8 mates

Still not sure what I'm gonna build for When the Sun Falls, but probably a Siege Engineer.

>>51517976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VmRv8_vWjA

>>51517940
Current villian's theme:
>https://youtu.be/ZY3ufkZPm1s

The players don't actually know his name yet, but have met him four times. They're taken to calling him Mr.Suit.

>>51517994
These are all so... literal. I think you could have done better.

Is paizo's race creation system alright?

>>51517940
my last character's theme song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGaM07Pc-nI

>>51518025
I can see what you mean. Mostly I just drew from the first songs that came to mind with the characters that I knew. Which ended up being popular songs.

Though Welcome to the Jungle was a build originally made for the song for as a villain for a different game.

Anything jump to mind that would be more fitting?

>>51518044
no

>Pirates looks like a comfy game
>Not allowed to play most of the comfy vigilante archetypes
>You will never be a cat mechanic that turns into an actual cat

>>51518065
Yeah I wish the vigilante side of wasn't mandatory. "Pirate" is pretty broad and there's plenty of room to represent one without having to be a literal Vigilante. I also think the logic in being an Exposed Vigilante is a bit shaky.

>>51517940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrcRwviWbBk

Zon-Kuthonite little girl that mutilates herself and other people.

>>51517940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsfjHCFosw

Bloodrager for a Wrath of the Righteous game.

>>51517940
Current characters theme (Viscera Kineticist)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9dJv9KNc1Q

>>51518013
You have excellent taste, anon.

Is Fiendish Facade worth it?

>>51518217
depends on how badly you want to be a kawaii catgirl.

I have a rules clarification.

Regarding Diplomacy:
>Succeed- If you succeed, the character’s attitude toward you is improved by one step. For every 5 by which your check result exceeds the DC, the character’s attitude toward you increases by one additional step. A creature’s attitude cannot be shifted more than two steps up in this way, although the GM can override this rule in some situations."

Does this mean if you exceed by 10 you move 3 steps total?

One for the original roll and then two steps for exceeding by 5.

Basically I'm wondering if: "cannot be shifted more than two steps up in this way"
Refers to the diplomacy roll as a whole, or exceeding by 5.

>>51517994
>DHB
>those songs
/pfg/, rate DHB's taste in music

>>51518217
Depends how harsh people are on Tieflings, and how much the campaign will get any use out of disguise. Also if you have easy access to disguise self/alter self.

>>51518235
pleb but not weeb/10