/CofD/ &/wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>51510417

No, but I think the Pure and Deceived both have a lot of potential, and I think Division Six is close enough to being bad guys that they count but I still love them.

>>51510400
Hurt Locker, it has several merit based weak supernatural sub-splats and the Plain are some Amish inspired ultra pacifists whose powers were clearly not given a playtest read.

>>51510497
>everyone fixates on the Plain
>nobody else has freaked out over how the Dreamers are the coolest thing published in CofD in ages

>>51510417
The Camarilla are counted among the bad guys, aren't they?
More seriously, I'd like to play a Sabbat character once, not the edgy murder hobo type but the zealous vampire convinced the antediluvians are really rising up.

>>51510523
Its easier to be angry

>>51510543

>implying you can't be both

>>51510417
I played in a sabat pack. We successfully diablerized a dirty necromancer that thought we were Camarilla. Its pretty fun playing antagonists if you have some one playing a more traditional protagonist to play off of/torture.

>>51510523
I like the super soldier washouts as well, I feel like they might actually have been a test run of some ideas for Deviant.

But also >>51510569

>>51510417
>Have you ever played has a enemy splat? (like the Pure,Heros etc...)
Yes, many times
About half my games
Not heroes

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>>51507324
>Great power, less impact, little to no influence

I thought you read the book? Archmasters shape the world. One of them literally erased the previous dominant world religion and Christianity was born. He swears on his life that he's trying to fix it. Dave described them as super-mages playing blackjack over their preferred versions of reality, he even joked that the current World of Darkness was created two weeks ago by Imperial shenanigans. Their impact isn't noticed because the previous version of reality never actually existed from your point of view.

>>51510724
Isn't there a note about supernaturals with 7+ In a power stat remembering shifts like that?

>>51510615

I keep dreaming of a 1960s America Dark Era that's a Hunter/Changeling crossover that works the Dreamers into it and is just a surreal conspiracy trip.

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What would a Seer version of the Tamers of Fire look like?

>>51510981
Hitler.

If the Prelacies of The Prophet, Exarch of Time and promoter of the Great Man theory of history were ever statted, you might be able to achieve something similar.

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>>51510724
So if they're recreating the world over and over why is it still so shit and why do humans suck so bad? Also why are vampire, werewolves, demons and other junk running around? Wouldn't they want to make the world as safe as they can to foster further awakenings

>>51510724
This is the sort of thing I dislike in both WoD, supernaturals literally dictating or directly controlling historical figures or movements. I'm fine with mages/vampires/what have you riding the wave of say Islam, helping its early spread and then claiming he was behind all of it, but not with the archangel Gabriel actually being a fucking Assamite. Dave really doesn't help by keeping on wanking mages with this sort of bullshit.

>>51511205
>I don't think safety does much to foster Awakenings.

>>51511227
at the very least I don't get why they would want vampire and just pure shit wondering around trying to eat people

>>51511217
>archangel Gabriel
>historical figures
wat

>>51511246
The book implies other supernaturals have patrons with a vested interest involved in their big 'don't fuck each other' accord or at least on that power level.

>>51511217
well, there is the theory that they are just switching into a parallel universe where their version of Truth is right.

And no, Gabriel was no Assamite, Gabriel was actually a conclave of Batini mages that revealed themselves to Mohammed to spread to Doctrine of Unity

>World of Mage Supremacy

>>51511285
>there is the theory

That's just it. A theory. It isn't necessarily fact. It is more so an alternative to use in your Chronicle.

>>51511266
Fine, the Assamite was actually Muhammad or Zoroaster being a mage or whatever. We already have a thousand of examples, with figures ranging from Belisarius to Heinrich Himmler being vampires, it's not like having a few more will change much. The point is supernaturals shouldn't literally be or control major historical characters or movements.

>>51511205
There's a sidebar suggesting that an Archmage of Death is responsible for the creation of the Kindred. So no one dares touch them unless you want a death-obsessed Gandalf on your ass.

>>51511331

Magic is powerful whether you're a Mage or not. It makes complete sense that various supernaturals would have a hand in world history, Anon.

Mages are the best, we get it. But it is also way past their bedtime. Go to bed before I call the Exarchs.

>>51511331
But this game is pretty much made for you to play Vampire Hitler back in the modern day.

>>51511331
Himmler and Belisarius were Embraced after they were famous and had achieved their historical deeds.

The only person that was arguably supernatural in the time of their major activity was Rasputin (and this is another can of worms entirely)

>>51511353
I'm fine with a mage or a vampire being one of Charlemgne's advisers, I'm not with him basically dictating all his moves.
>>51511377
No. Vampire Himmler is already too much.

>>51511285

The Toreador Methuselah of Constantinople convinced himself he was the Archangel Michael. He was coo-coo crazy.

>>51511364
Bedtimes are part of the Lie, the Free Council kids down the street said so! They also smoke and are soooo mature, you don't even know.

>>51511402
Of course Billy, now take your pills, brush your teeth and go to bed.

>>51511364
You're being recorded.

>>51511337

So the sponsor for Vampire is a Mage. Hilarious.

>>51511427
The Tremere do need Theban to exist in order to maintain their history...

>>51511364
We're not allowed to talk about something on-topic?

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>>51511391
>Heinrich Himmler
>"deeds"

>>51511444
No. Go to bed.

>>51511395
Isn't that what happened with Hitler? All supernatural factions wanted to control him and canceled each other out, so that he pulled his shit entirely cause of his own volition?

>>51511205
>So if they're recreating the world over and over why is it still so shit and why do humans suck so bad? Also why are vampire, werewolves, demons and other junk running around? Wouldn't they want to make the world as safe as they can to foster further awakenings

Archmages are not superheroes. They are super-assholes.

They are the epitome of egotistical bastards that are trying, and often succeeding, in imposing their own selfish version of reality on everyone else.

They don't give a crap if vampires, werewolves, demons, Donald Trump, Taylor Swift or anyone or anything else are making life unpleasant for teeming insects known as humanity unless is directly hinders their personal work or vision.

Even if an unusual archmage did remotely care, the use of imperial spells to create such huge changes in reality, including the elimination of entire supernatural races, would almost certainly violate the Pax Arcana as it would upset the balance and interests among other archmasters, the Exarchs and other powerful entities.

Don't hold you breath waiting for archmages to save humanity from itself or anything else. They have more important things to do.

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>>51511590
>Don't hold you breath waiting for archmages to save humanity from itself or anything else. They have more important things to do.

I feel like this needs an accompanying image but I don't have one of a wizard jacking it so instead have this

>>51511515

Mage Noir has information about the Nazis.

Nazi mages are one of the main causes of the rift between the Silver Ladder and Free Council.

>>51511624

That image is all wrong.

Masters of reality definitely wear boxers, not briefs.

>>51511626
Isn't there also a literal nazi legacy in Legacies: The Ancient?

>>51511626

And also led to a major shakeup among the Arrow, who pledged to never again take sides in mortal wars because it led to them mostly just killing each other.

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I don't think there's ever going to be a splat template capable of rivaling an Archmaster. Why do we even question Mage supremacy at this point?

>>51511668
because magefags never stop bringing it up as if we care.

>>51510981
If the Pentacle version is classical-heroes-as-Superman, the Seer version is classical-heroes-as-domineering-conquerors. Hercules and Gilgamesh laid waste to nations, after all.

THE TAMERS OF THUNDER
Obrimos. Forces primary, Mind secondary.

Attainment 1: Conquering Body
Forces 1: Kinetic Efficiency. Boosts athletic prowess.
Mind 1: I don't fuckin' know, there are like 4 spells at mind 1 and none of them make sense

Attainment 2: Rousing the Storm
Forces 2: Control Weather. Ritual-cast, advanced duration.
Mind 2: Emotional Urging. Call to DEUS VULT.

Attainment 3: Blitzkrieg
Forces 3: Velocity Control. Strike as fast as lightning.
Mind 3: Clear Thoughts. +1 Willpower on success. Ritual-casting as making a speech.

Attainment 4: Smite
Forces 4: Thunderbolt. Exactly what you'd expect.
Mind 4: Augment Mind for social attributes.

Attainment 5: Justice Rains From Above
Forces 5: Levitation. Strike at the enemy from on high.
Mind 5: Social Networking. Ritual-cast, advanced duration. Rule over all beneath you.

>>51510417
>Have you ever played has a enemy splat?
Yes, I played an Acanthus Seer of the Praetorian who had 3 in Occultation who's concept was that of a dodeca-agent who's Pylon used him as a deep-cover informer...then promptly forgot about him; he erased the knowledge from his memory with Mind and he was eventually pressed into service by the Pentacle Mages to, of course, infiltrate the Seers in the area.
>>51510724
I love Imperial Mysteries as the next guy, but the Narcissistic Universe is the only way that the setting jives at all in the long-term.
>>51510768
It's perfect, It has MK-ULTRA, Timothy Leary as a Hobgoblin trying to search for Lost by dosing folks with Acid and seeing who's freak-outs reveal them, Hunters fucking up people at Alamut...

>>51509595
Nope. The natural state is Sleepwalkers. Mages are, and were always, exceptional.

>>51511739
>classical-heroes-as-Superman
> classical-heroes-as-domineering-conquerors
The Greeks/Mesopotamians didn't really see the difference.
>>51511590
>the elimination of entire supernatural races, would almost certainly violate the Pax Arcana
They mention that pissing off the Death Lords counts as a violation of the Pax, I can imagine that ribbing super-powerful Spirits or True Fae may be similar.

>>51511818
True Fae are the sponsors for Changelings. Though, they're only rank 7 entities. Archmasters by definition are stronger than the Gentry.

>>51511807

Mages were also far more powerful back before the Abyss happened.

>>51510981
Pyrokinetic Hitler.

>>51510417
>enemy splat
Not yet, but I get such a raging boner when I think about playing an agent of the Technocratic Union.
I'd probably go New World Order.
Then fuck people up with Superpsychology.

>>51511668
Goku

>>51511644
The Daksha. They change their bodies to flit back and forth between male and female (their true form is a hermaphrodite) and they have a third eye on the back of their head that lets them see through time. They're also unabashedly racist and believe in achieving an idealized form so they backed the Nazis. The Mysterium considers them an "ideological embarrassment" but they've yet to be kicked out, possibly because they form guanxi with influential members with magically enhanced sex.

I would totally fuck one.

>>51511974
The blue hair means you're an Archmaster right?

>>51511976
The Daksha are also guided by eight Archmasters known as the Dhyanis.

I repeat.

Eight. Fucking. Archmasters. There's never more than a hundred at a time.

>>51511866
Yes, they didn't need to create Golden Roads to access the Imperial Practices back then.

>>51510494

I'm with you on The Deceived.
Mummy is amazing but it needs a second edition to really make it shine imho.

They need to work it out just a little more.

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>>51512035
They also haven't been met in person in 79 years, and there's no concrete proof that the Dhyanis are Archmages, or that the Masters they allegedly receive orders from are in Oracles.

It's entirely possibly it's all deluded smoke and mirrors from a bunch of old Mages, or perhaps their younger less powerful apprentices who've found that their ancient society would fall apart if they didn't pretend to be their now dead masters.

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

>>51512333
>ancient society
Also kek, they were formed in the late 19th Century.
Such an ancient and laudable history.

The lightbulb is older than their batshit ideology.

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Why are werecheetahs the cutest changing breed?

>>51511644
Not exactly a nazi legacy, but they ARE close to the "Fist of Wisdom" faction within the Mysterium, who backed the nazis, for being the best chance of eradicating modern humanity.

Also, they are based in weird theosophical ideas, so they are close to the Thule Society.

Anyone have the wererat image that occasionally is used as an opener for these threads?

>>51512406
It's not exactly unlikely that the Daksha recruited a fair few members from those Thule members who Awoke in their investigations.

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>>51512420
This one?

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>>51511668
I'm telling you mang, someday we're gonna get super demons, gonna be fucking hueg and shiet. Kick mage ass all day erry day.

WHERE'S THE NEW SUBNET?

>>51512511
>The God-Machine accidentally Falls
What then

>>51512333
Is there any possible way to salvage and use these guys without the silly Nazi stuff?

>>51512532
Then he spends all day shitposting Demon Supremacy.

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>>51512402
Werewolves are cute though

>>51512532
Da Demanz pick up the infrastructure and, like, integrate it or some shit into themselves, becomes one with reality or some shit. Thats how they get super stronk.

>>51512542
Yeah. Just have the legacy be about getting closer to the Supernal through changing their bodies instead of making a new super race. It wouldn't be any more far-fetched than the Whipping Boys.

>>51512551
Fucking magical robots

So how does the God-Machine fit into mages? Did a bored Archmage program it?

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Could there ever be a rational explanation for a non Tremere character having Thaumaturgy?

>>51512658
Diablery.

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>>51512566

True but they aren't cheetahs.

>>51512650
It programmed them.

>>51512650
Extra-planar entity attempting to gain a greater planetary foothold through subversion of reality through Fallen World principles.

Unless of course this is more Mage Supremacy bullshit.
In which case, eat a dick.

>>51512658
Yes.
Lots of different clans have Thaumaturgy, the Tremere just like to pretend they're the only source of Blood Magic when the truth is they've probably had it for the shortest time.

>>51512658
diablerie

>>51512693
The Cheetahs are the weakest of the African Fera.

>>51512735
Cheetahs aren't even big cats.

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>>51512599
>>51512636
>>51512551
>>51512511

Sorry I don't have a picture of demonbane, settle for getter emperor instead.

>>51512735

Until you build them right, then they are a horrific blender AND cute

>>51511331
>supernaturals shouldn't literally be or control major historical characters or movements
Given the influence of the supernatural, it's hard to believe major historical figures and movements existed in a vacuum.

>>51512758

>The Cheetah is not one of the Great Cats, because it does not have a floating Hyoid bone in its neck it can not roar, therefore it is a Lesser Cat.

Size isn't the case.

>>51512833
Of course not. Pumas are small cats.

>>51512650

Apprently the God-Machine Is a former Supernal Being kicked out by the Exarchs. It is currently trying to re-establish itself as a rightful god.

>>51512542

They're wrapped up in the silly Theosophical nonsense that fueled Himmler's nonsense, so not really. The real world philosophy they draw from led directly to all that mystical Aryan nuttery.

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>>51513129
Eh, it was written in a "take it or leave it" kind of way 2 years before the God Machine Chronicle was released.

>>51513197

Yeah, you don't see anyone going "the God-Machine is the Principle!" just because a 1e Promethean book said so.

>>51512788
Fera aren't cute. When will you werefags learn.

>>51513213
my ananasi waifu begs to differ

>>51513213
>Implying there isn't anything cute about the Khan
You monster!! Pentex paying you well?

>>51513197
I never got the Alienated's plan. If I were a Supernal God and managed to get my position back, I'd kill these fucking humans that knocked me down before they could do it again.

>>51513257
yes, but the symbols of tyranny and oppression would also be gone (hopefully)

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>>51513213
>implying horrifying engines of rage and murder aren't cute
Pshhh get a load of this guy

>>51513280

Ascension is the most absolute form of immortality. It can't be undone by anything other than a 5-dot Omen, such as the Celestial Ladder. The Exarchs and Oracles are there to stay unless said Gods can also seal Omens like Archmasters do.

>>51513257
You're just one Supernal God, hombre.
Those Exarchs toppled your asses, and those of your pals, and stole your thrones.
I don't see that working so well for you a second time.

>>51513281

Makes you want to touch their ears and ruffle their chest fluff!

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Given that they're not bound, would he have been willing to teach a Tremere protag any Thaumaturgy?

>>51511668
>I don't think there's ever going to be a splat template capable of rivaling an Archmaster. Why do we even question Mage supremacy at this point?

There are only about 100 living archmasters at a time.

Unless you really strive to interfere in their affairs, or are VERY, VERY unlucky, they are not really an issue for most characters.

They are, however, particularly convenient is a ST ever needs a deus ex machina.

>>51513281
That werewolf is obviously gay

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>>51513329
agreed
>>51513341
How do you figure?

>>51513281

Who's a good doggie? You are, yes you are. Now, shoo, I'm busy.

- Any Archmaster ever

>>51513362
That tyrannosaurus rex is even gayer

>>51513362

That werewolf is absolutely fabulous.

>>51513386
I like how I didn't even say anything remotely related to mages or power level and yet here you are
>>51513409
Is it the exposed nipple?

>>51513311

Not to mention that there's probably Supernal Gods that understand the Ascension War situation to some degree.

So, Mage the Awakening. What would probably happen if you reached a Watchtower and then went 'fuck you' and refused to carve your name into it?

>>51513463

You don't become a Mage. But, you do become a Sleepwalker. The Watchtower might even slap you in the face for denying such a gift.

>>51513463

You will not Awaken. However, you'll probably suffer a psychotic break or worse.

>>51513463
Banisher.

>>51513463
Who in their right mind would refuse to become a Mage?

>>51513415
>I like how I didn't even say anything remotely related to mages or power level and yet here you are

Don't you yet realize that everything is about mages. Reality revolves around them, and as the superior beings, it is as it should be.

>>51513508
I mean from their point of view they just had a nightmarish trial in the supernal and now there's a tower they feel an inexplicable urge to sign (sometimes in blood). I'd argue that someone just drawing the line there might be reasonable enough.

>>51513484
>>51513493
>>51513499
>>51513508
Thanks for all the decisions that basically back up what I was thinking. Someone was talking about 'refusing the Watchtower' and then basically becoming a Mage who have no ruling or lesser arcana and I was trying to figure out how exactly to articulate why this is a bad idea.

>>51513499
>Banisher.

No. If you don't connect with the Watchtower, you will not Awaken.

Banishers usually result from a botched connection or a mage's inability to process their new abilities. It's like singing your name to the Watchtower, but with a spelling error.

>>51513533
Awakenings are different for every Mage. It's not always a nightmarish thing to experience. It can be righteous to an Obrimos or a foreboding fairy tail to an Acanthus. Sometimes it isn't even explicitly magical.

>>51513463
Sleepwalker.
Also many other Mages would likely punch you in the face for refusing the call of the Supernal.

Your Soul has quite literally been in the optimal position to receive enlightenment, you have displayed the personality of a True Mage, the capacity for Obsession and the willingness to see past the lie, to claim the power that is rightfully yours by birthright...

It's all there, for you to take and comprehend the Truth and Glory of the universe.
And then you spit in its face.
You are the lowest of the low.

>>51513560
>Sometimes it isn't even explicitly magical.
... Now THAT sounds like bullshit.

>>51513582
What a beautiful comment. It resonates with me.

>>51513554

They wouldn't be able to do any magic, as they would lack any connection to the Supernal.

>>51513591
By not explicitly magical I mean more so weird rather than exaggerated. The sample Awakenings in 2E were very subtle, and creepy.

>>51513591
>I don't know what a Mystery Play is

I'm trying to make full-auto fire in OWoD a bit better from its very not so great "Fire the rest of the your mag" thing. My main issue is that it made LMGs and other belt fed weapons useless due to their large ammo capacities always being expended with no more benefit. What I wrote up is this:

Full auto fire multiplies a weapon's damage by 0.5x per 5 rounds fired. This would mean that 5 shots would be 1.5x, and 15 would be 2.5x. Always round fractions down. Armour is also multiplied by this number, as to prevent a 9mm SMG penetrating a tank's hull.

If someone can think of anything wrong with that, please tell me.

I always imagined Awakenings as kind of being like a dream. Like you aren't totally in control, a spectator to your own actions. The part that is in control is the part of your Soul that's reaching out to the Supernal, so not signing doesn't seem like it would be an option to me. The books imply you can keep yourself from starting your Awakening, but if you do that door is closed forever. They don't say anything about stopping at the finish line, not that I know of anyway.

Is it even possible to come back after not signing your name on the Watchtower? Is someone in an Awakening state just guaranteed not to go poof while on a Mystery Play or soul journey, or is that only granted because the signature on the Watchtower is expected?

Would it be Forces to make yourself fireproof? I need to know for best vampire proofing options in a game not deep out of char gen, I figure that this could be effective. Douse in gas then light yourself up. Vampires can't catch you if you're on fire

>>51513618
Mystery plays involve you physically remaining in the Fallen World, but experiencing the world as if it is the Supernal as your soul walks the path to that realm.

To use the example from the 1e core book, a greasy diner pie is fucking ambrosia, and the sarcastic overworked waitress is a tricksy elf.

>>51513648
Yes, it's probably a heartwrenching experience.

No, when in a Mystery Play you're still just as vulnerable to all other dangers. I mean, Fate will try and keep you from lethal harm, and ensure that all other forms of trial are incorporated into the play, however it's noted several times that other Mages can and have previously inserted them into other people's Plays to gain enlightenment.
Or they just shoot the prospective Mage in the head if they're perhaps a Seer or Banisher.

>>51513657
Yeah. Some kind of combination of Control Heat and Control Fire would do the trick. Or you could learn Fiery Transformation, which takes at least Forces 4 and Life 4.

>>51513662
>To use the example from the 1e core book, a greasy diner pie is fucking ambrosia, and the sarcastic overworked waitress is a tricksy elf.

In my character's awakening he wandered an infinite back alley of an infinite city with the local homeless being the demons wearing the skins of those in his past who he still let control him through today. The detritus were relics of his life. The Iron Tower was in fact a trash fire and he scared the local hobos by slicing his hand open with a piece of glass to smear blood all over it.

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>>51513657
Yes, an applicaition of the practice of Sheilding in the Forces Arcanum can render you immune to the burn of fire.

Of course, you'll still potentially smother depending on how extreme the burning is, how much oxygen the fire's taking up and what topic fumes are being released, and you'll need to cover yourself with something flammable to keep it going.

But you can totally stop Vampire Ninjas from getting you.

>>51513715
Nice and edgy, bro.

>>51513687
I think Seers would wait until the Awakening was over and then swoop down on the new Mage and be like "Wow that was weird, huh? I bet you wanna know what all that was about! Let's stop by my place and I'll explain it all to you. By the way, do you have time to talk about our lords and saviors, the Exarchs?".

>>51513728
It was mostly meant to be funny, though it could be edgy as shit if you portray it that way.

>>51513728
Not him, but that's pretty textbook Mastigos.
Edge is their bread and butter.

>>51513687

Why would a Seer shoot a new mage instead of recruiting them?

>>51513728
Pandemonium is edginess incarnate.

>>51513727
>But you can totally stop Vampire Ninjas from getting you.
Especially since Mekhet, the ninjas of the clans, suffer their banes more intently than others.

>>51513732
Depends if you have the time/resources to take on a new pawn.
Otherwise, if you can't have it, why should anyone else?

>>51513728
I don't really see how that's edgy?

>>51513591
It's called a quiet awakening, and often coincides with a Mystery Play rather than a Supernal Awakening.

The resulting mage is often a little strange as a result.

As an example, you get up, shower, get dressed. You feel a little better than you have in a while - the sun is bright, the smog has been blown away by the easterlies, and things seem to be going well. your toaster finally works just right for once, and you get your toast the perfect golden brown, and the jelly doesn't fall off the knife this time, and you manage to keep your work clothes clean. You get in your car, drive to work, and for ocne, trafic is moving at a fair pace. A taxidriver actually lets you into the lane you need to trun out of, and you manage to make it to the office fifteen minutes early for the first time ever. you stop to get a snack, and the candy machine has a nice shiny quarter in the slot, which combines with the 75 cents you have to let you have some oreos instead of the chips you'd been expecting. you reminice about your childhood for a moment, and then one of the secretaries comes by - you don't know her, but she reminds you of Ms. Gleason, your 5th grade teacher who took the extra bit of time to help you out a few times that helped you get into good study habits, which earned you your degree. she asks if you'll sign somethign for her and well, it's innocuous, so you place your signiture on the piece of paper. She smiles and thanks you for your time, and hopes you have a wonderful life.

You step into the office....and things go well. go better, in fact, than they have in years. and by the end of the day, you are tired, but satisfied....and you realize that things are different now.

More different than you could have ever imagined. You have Awakened.

>>51513747
Because their co-worker bet them an African vacation hunting rare rhinos they'd not do it?

>>51513764
Got a source for that? Because it seems quite contradictory with most other Mage stuff I've read.

>>51513772

The 2e corebook has a fuckton of quiet Awakenings in it. The Obrimos example is someone putting together a powerful computer program, for instance.

>>51513627
>If someone can think of anything wrong with that, please tell me
Too many fractions.

>>51513793
Those stories involve inexplicable connections, and a postulation of vitalism, platonic forms and non-scientific principles.

Or where their phone keeps telling them how to evade the guards, and creates a new life for them, realising that she herself had found the essence of Prime.

Neither of those seem quiet.

>>51513845
Is there any tangible way I could fix that?

>>51513864

Compared to stumbling into a realm of sunlight and explosions and carving your name into a molten gold pillar with a sword made of Truth, it's pretty damn subtle.

Okay, I think the guy who wanted to be a Mage who said 'fuck you' to all Watchtowers and got super Generalist magic (which he himself said was for metagaming reasons) is That Guy, 100%.

He's now talking about taking Time 5 pretty much ASAP.

>>51513879
Still pretty damn Magical.

>>51513909
>Still pretty damn magical
Not if you don't notice it, no.

>>51513897
Tell him to get fucked. I would.

>>51513924
A prospective Mage not being able to see past the lie which occludes his Obsession?
Unlikely.

>>51513897
You need to tell that guy that if he doesn't sign a Watchtower, then he doesn't get magic. It's as simple as that. No name on Watchtower, no Supernal sympathy, no magic. That's how things work after the Fall.

>>51513897

Without a Watchtower, he literally doesn't have a connection to the Supernal; the whole point of a Path is it's the only way across the Abyss to sweet, sweet magic.

>>51512708
Do we have confirmation that the GM only works in the fallen world? I'm guessing a mage book has mentioned it one way or another. But considering the GM also intrudes into multiple dimensions, and has probably tried to expand into other levels of reality, it is interesting that most people always consider it to only work in the 'normal' world.

>>51513973
In addition, the only time you ever lose your connection to your Watchtower without losing your Magic is when you achieve Archmastery and you forge you own path to the Supernal, your Golden Road.

>>51513874
Hmm. Just slot large ammo weapons with multiple 'auto fire' uses. Each one uses a set amount of ammo. 15+ I would assume is normally an entire clip, just factor that in.

Hey /mage general/, I want to make a (arch)Mage who pretends to be, or thinks he is, Caine. What is the best way of doing this?

>>51513954

Seeing passed the Lie isn't going to have the up-and-coming Mage blurt out "MAGIC" my good Anon. A trio of Banishers thought they were abducted by extraterrestrials. Awakenings depend entirely on the person.

>>51513990
We have no confirmation of pretty much anything about the God-Machine. That's kinda the point about it.

There's stuff in different books about potentially finding Infrastructure in the Hedge, the Shadow, various levels of Twilight and so forth.

The most concrete information we have is that it's existed at its current technological and technomystical proficiency for all of recorded history, and that it's allegedly not a discrete entity but the combined communal hub-mind of all existing and potential un-formed Angels.

>>51514000

Kill Caine. Rip off his skin. Apply to yours.

>>51513990

It gets into the Underworld and Hedge, if that's what you're asking, but it can't really get into the Supernal Realms because they aren't exactly a place.

Anyone got that image of the Pentex director about to be destroyed by a werewolf.

>>51513990
The God-Machine Is a puppet of the Exarchs with how the Supernal works.

>>51514037
What the fuck is Pentex? Other than like, a textbook "super evil" corporation created so Werewolves have a straw man to beat up.

It does seem pretty retarded that the main human opponent for an entire group of Supernaturals is a single fucking company.

>>51514082
Pentex is like a watered down Technocracy

>>51512022
Super Saiyen is a pretty good example of a nimbus flare for like an Obrimos.

>>51513954
Awakening doesn't mean you have a clue as to what the fuck is going on.

>>51514027

The God-Machine is a former Supernal god according to Imperial Mysteries. It got dethroned by the ancient Atlantean wizards who became the almighty Exarchs.

There are a few other explanations as well.

>>51514082
Its a cartoon villain prefect for a xenophobic splat who's probably completely wrong about everything.

What is your opinion on new Watchtowers?

>>51514000
Wait as in the biblical figure aka a generic cursed dude or as in the vampire daddy?

>>51514178
Talking about oWoD & nWoD at the same time can be a bit annoying.

>>51514082

Its not a single company but reams of companies, subsidiaries, etc.

Pentex itself is actually low key and hides behind all of these affiliated organizations. But otherwise its basically Umbrella if it was run by a dark god and backed with more bioweapons and satan magic.

>>51514082
Its just a generic catch all for all the shitty companies out there that care more about the money in their pockets then the safety of the world and its people but actually evil
Don't think too much about it
>>51514194
well there might be a difference but yeah I suppose in this context he would mean the vampire daddy

>>51514176
They need to fill in a niche that the others don't. Lore first, mechanics (arcanums and stuff) later.

>>51513211
Because no one gives a shit about promethean

>>51514178

Vampire mac daddy

>>51514139
That's... That's the exact opposite of what Awakening means.
You might not know the names of everything, but your Mage Sight and the practice of Knowing provide you with pure Supernal truth.

>>51514176
Their construction makes sense as a goal for Archmage character seeking Ascension.
And they're fucking retarded powergaming bullshit for starting PCs.

>>51514176
If you can make one that's thematically unique and has complimentary Arcana then more power to you.

>>51511624
Oh man, I remember that Annual. Ye gods my sides.

>>51514248
So you're telling me that a freshly Awakened Mage knows for a fact that what he is doing is magic and that he went to a magical realm and emerged as a being able to wield that magic. He just knows this, irrefutably. Doesn't need anything explained to him. Totally clued in.

Got a source for that?

>>51514225
>fill a niche
How is that possible?
The Five already have a great foothold into subtle "otherness" with moros summoning up ghosts, obrimos conjuring angels and the ever present spirits.
I don't see how giving a group of mages Spirit and Forces changes anything.

>>51511626
What caused the rift, specifically? I've never read Noir.

>>51514312
He knows reality as he knew it is a lie, he's travelled to some fantastical realm where he was forever changed, and returned with the capacity to manipulate and understand the world with thought-forms?

That's pretty fucking self-evident man.
Call it Magic or not, there's little else you could mistake it for.

>>51514360
A curse from Satan. Good ol' Banishers.

>>51514356

It's probably my favorite Mage book, you should read it.

>>51514360

You don't Awaken and immediately grasp the Supernal, the Lie, what the Abyss is, all of that. All a Mage knows on day one is now they can perceive a bunch of weird shit and probably just has the worst trip of their life.

Orders exist for a reason. Being Awakened is confusing as shit.

Do you guys ever talk about anything but Mage?

>>51514360
And yet there are experienced Mages who theorized that magic isn't magic at all, but quantum physics shenanigans. See Ars Nova.

Believe it or not, most new Mages need shit explained to them. They don't immediately jump to the conclusion of "MAGIC!".

>>51514440
Werewolves and vampires are cool and I wish I knew more about demon

>>51514461

Which demon? Fallen was pretty cool.

>>51514398
My favorite is Astral Realms, personally. Just never got around to reading Noir. But seriously, what caused the rift?

>>51514440

Don't look at me, my favorite games are Wraith, Promethean, and nMummy.

>>51514510
Both but I've actually scimmed the robot one so more info about the actual fallen angel version would be cool

>>51514539
Lucifer did nothing wrong.

>>51514530
Silver Ladder probably backed the Nazis or something.

>>51514572
Well yeah but what does that have to do with the table top game?

>>51514574
Almost every Order did.
It's the entire reason the Arrow ruled that their members were no longer allowed to dick around in Sleeper conflicts.

>>51514539

Lucifer and some of the angels rebelled against God and were cast out for it, either imprisoned in a void outside of space and time until the modern day when metaplot nonsense breaks the lock off. The demons flood out and take weak-willed mortals as hosts, setting out to build cults for themselves and continue the war on God/find their missing precious Lucifer/try to get back in God's good graces/whatever the hell else.

It has some fun powers and the game revolves around gaining mortal worship. The game most like it in CofD is Mummy, hilariously enough, in that everyone shares a common backstory and you want a cult believing in you.

>>51514618
>and the game revolves around gaining mortal worship
So what does that really mean?

>>51514731

Your fun powers are literally powered by people believing in your divinity and worshiping you. Whether by building up a religion around yourself or by signing deals for folk's souls, the point of the game is to prop yourself up on a small mountain of mortal dupes and their faith.

>>51514737
I see
Is there any planned end game stuff? Like can you end up fighting YHWH or something?

>>51514779

I don't remember what their Time of Judgment was, truthfully. Some sort of big apocalyptic fight as the world ended.

The ToJ was dumb anyway.

>>51514228
Hey, there are literally dozens of us!

>>51514228
I always thought it was an interesting concept. I'd listen to a podcast where a group played it
>>51514809
I suppose I could just go read the books. Thanks for the basic rundown

>>51514228
>disliking the second-best CofD game

>>51514440
I would love to talk about Prommie, Werewolf, Changeling, or even Geist.

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What type of Mage [Awakening] would Green Pill be?

Typically when I do changeling, I stick to starting level stuff. But can someone who has read the later books tell me how a changeling would go about actually becoming gentry? Is it just getting their lower stat high enough?

It would be interesting to see a Fae-touched have to start learning the game of titles.

>>51514953

Obrimos Apostate.

>>51515012
Allegedly you become Gentry when you reach Wyrd 10, and Clarity 0.

>>51515032
Why Apostate as opposed to Free Council?

>>51515012

Once you hit Wyrd 10 your Clarity starts trying real hard to bleed off and drive you into Arcadia. If you get to Clarity 0 Wyrd 10, you sprint off into the Thorns and enjoy a new existence as one of the Fair Folk.

Equinox Road is a whole book on this.

>>51514865

What if I think the objective of becoming A REAL HUMAN BOY! is gay and stupid but I also don't want to play an edgy angst monster?

How do I play Promethean then?

>>51515138
Same way you play a Mage who doesn't want to use Magic.

You flounder around aimlessly in a boring fucking game without purpose.

>>51515138

There's a fan hack of Promethean called The Lightning Chronicle that's supposed to be that, but I dunno if it ever got finished.

>>51515138

Then you miss the point of the game and go back to playing whatever the hell else you were doing.

>>51515184

That was my friend's pet project that was less an attempt at fixing Promethean and more a weird angry transhumanist attack on Matt. It was... odd, and probably not getting done now that they're banned from the forums.

>>51515203

Oh. Well, that's a bummer. I like Promethean as it is quite a bit, but the concept sounded interesting enough.

>>51515138
Go around beating up people, taking their stuff, and fighting the terrible super zombies that always seem to pop up wherever you go.

When an angel comes to tell you to go become a real boy, kick him in the angel dick and go down fighting.

>>51515233
For some reason I'm just imagining Old Man Henderson as a Promethean.

>>51515233

Im down with fighting angels as super frankenstein.

>>51515078
I imagine then there are some fluffy details left out here.

I really should run a game with a true fae main antagonist.

Any eta on changeling 2e? I liked the huntsman rules.

>>51515296

The Monday Meeting Notes give weekly updates on everything OPP is working on.

Changeling 2e is in Development right now and may well have a Kickstarter as well.

So the end game goal of Changling is to become a true fae?

>>51515325
I wouldn't say 'goal' so much as 'cyclical nature of abuse'.

>>51515345
Oh wow I completely missed that connection. I'm dumb

>>51515325
The ultimate result of rocking too much Wyrd is to face constant compromise until you succumb to the Madness and become Fae.

Unlike Mage, you likely do NOT want to reach your maximum magical potential in Changeling.

>>51515325
>>51515345

Less the goal and more a possible bad end if you get too in tune with the alien nature of the Wyrd. The whole point is trying to strike a healthy balance, or trying to rebuild your mortal life from the broken pieces.

>>51515368
Hell even the Imperial Mysteries implications of high power stat individuals remembering things through timeline alterations. Pretty good way to go completely insane as anything once you get that powerful.

>>51515389
Which is why I imagine that most Awakening Archmages try to detech themselves from their old lives as much as possible, and focus on their work.

As opposed to Ascension Archmages, who according to the blurb I read should try and keep themselves grounded in their shitty boring mundane lives.

>>51515368

Not all Masters are willing to become Seekers. Attempting to pass the Threshold is a horrifying process if you truly understand the implications of failure.

And the majority do fail......

>>51515389
>timeline alterations

It's more than that. It's all about altering the very source of code of existence.

>>51515599
In my game i have a variant on the fluff. The requirements for seeking threshold isn't a minimum it's just the lowest denominator known to have survived the experience.

Since failing the trial means being written out of existence. The assumption is that Mages are hitting threshold and failing regularly.

In a game I'm running, one of the PCs is babysitting a Promethean that the God-machine made.

In typical GM fashion it blunts forced it's way through it. Pretty much trying every possible occult formula to make a prommie, over and over, in factory conditions. Then it used as many corpses as it could manage, hoping for positive results from the factory full of corpses it subjected to its hopeful formula. It still only had one success, which the principle sent an angel to witness.

>>51515905
Why would the god machine want to create a promethean?

>>51515928
SCIENCE

>>51515928
Probably not even in the top 100 weirdest things the GM has tried to do.

>>51515928
Why would the god-machine want to split Seattle into three timelines?

It just does stuff.

Speculation? The power of the principle is a possible untapped source, and it clearly has immense power over human souls.

Having one can prove theories and possibilities true or false, and lead to new future stronger agents.

So yeah, for science.

>>51515203
>Then you miss the point of the game

Not quite finding the game's themes to your liking isn't "missing the point".

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>>51513338
That doesn't invalidate much. Mage is still the most capable and powerful gameline there is, with Demon and Mummy as close seconds. Archmasters are just icing on the wank cake.

>>51516884
>Demon close second
Is there any good resource of Interlocks or Lambda items anywhere?

I swear I'm going to obsess over the next tabletop game that comes out no matter how bad it is just so I can escape this piece of shit general

Are the children of Mages naturally sleepwalkers, or are they just sleepers?

>>51517083
>deviant comes out next

>>51517090
Sleepers.
Though if you raise them right, there's good odds of them becoming Sleepwalkers, or having the opportunity to become a Mage.

>>51517083
At least wait until we get off track again before complaining.

>>51517083
Do you naturally hate Mage?

>>51517103
I said game you fucking retard not gameline

I don't give a fuck is it a space opera, fantasy, cyberpunk, weaboo shit, so rules lite that is basically freeform or crunchier than Phoenix Command

As long as it is not fucking World/Chronicles related or published by OP/WW I don't give a fuck

I hate you all. I hate every single one of you.

>>51517151
Doesn't everyone feel that way about everybody?

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>>51517151
>I hate you all. I hate every single one of you.

...You hurt my feelings, Anon.

>>51517151
Tell us how you really feel, anon.

>>51517180

Tribalism is the only way to live healthily.

>>51517207
Emotions are weak.

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Is it bad form to base a character on a real life person who died and use their picture as a character portrait? Obviously somebody from history, but still

>>51517296
Its better than using an anime character.

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>>51517296
Have some respect for the deceased!

>>51517296
If it's a historical figure then it's fine. Now if it were your dead grandma or something and you used a picture from your family vacation as a portrait, that would be a little weird.

>>51517296
Careful they aren't already written into OWoD lore...

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>>51517335
>>51517361
Nah, just a guy I saw while playing U-Boat Roulette on /k/.

>>51517151

You know a new RPG comes out like every week, right? Check out that one game about fantasy hacking or something.

Or just, you know, stop reading the thread. You can just do that.

>>51517400
I don't understand this meme

>>51517151

>mage supremacy
>mage supremacy
>mage supremacy

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>>51517151
Where is all this really coming from, anon?

Who hurt you?

>>51517420
Ignore the ugly thyrsus

These threads have little to no content production. I know we are a general for a sandbox setting, but still... No art, no fiction. And yet we have so many writers.

>>51517618
Wanna hear about my OC donut steel?

>>51516262

If you don't like the premise and don't want to be sold on it, play something else. You don't walk into a Thai restaurant and shout "I HATE THAI FOOD" until being escorted out, do you?

>>51517665
>You don't walk into a Thai restaurant and shout "I HATE THAI FOOD" until being escorted out, do you?
You really want to know the answer to that?

>>51517646
If someone gave me a choice between 'hear nerds complain about the same shit they read 2 years ago and are still repeating' or 'hear fiction related to donut steels in a setting I obviously like', I will take the second.

>Awakening 2e
>Matter controls water vapor in the air
>Death has "cold" under its influences
Can Moros be cryomancers now?

>>51517723
That would be a good legacy.

>>51517723
Yes. Since cold is an absence

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>>51510523
Whats up with "The Dreamers"? I haven't heard of them or what they can do.

>>51517850

Manchurian Candidate types, people with an implanted second personality that's usually designed to be an assassin. You go about your normal life until you start to have blackout periods where it takes over and then your memory gets all fucky.

Probably the highlight of the book for me.

>>51513304
Can't Ascenion be stopped/reverted such as in the case of Banishers who ascend?

Can spirits with Influence (cars) at 4 just
make cars whenever?

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What are some ways a Vampire could take on a Mage in a white-room scenario?

>>51518016
Yes however:
1. That's a Rank 4 Spirit, which will have at least all 3 stats at 8, and quite possibly 1 or more at 10
2. It costs 4 Essence to make each of those cars
3. They last for a few minutes each
4. Rank 4 Spirits usually have better things to be doing than running around just creating cards constantly until a Mage tells them to do so

>>51518014

It can only be prevented

>>51511590
Not to mention there's a gigantic planetary supercomputer toying with reality just as much who really takes issue with people disturbing ... whatever the fuck it's doing.

>>51517618

>no fiction

If you really need some fanfiction, AO3 is right over there: https://archiveofourown.org/tags/World%20of%20Darkness%20(Games)/works

https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Vampire:%20The%20Masquerade/works

https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Changeling:%20The%20Lost/works

In all seriousness though, more homebrew would be neat but I feel like the OPP forums are ultimately the best place for it. That said, the Vampire Monster Manual is good stuff.

>>51518055
Which Vampire, which Mage, in which white room, from what distance, who has initative, what are they wearing, what weapons do they have, are they aware of what each other can do, and what do they want to do?

You faggot.

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>>51512511
>Super Demons
We'd need far sturdier vehicular and special-environment rules though. The amount of reality-fuckery involved would start making everything look like Super Robot Wars.

... You know I was thinking about running some kind of Mekton Zeta game... and I think you just gave me a brilliant idea.

>>51518110
None of that matters when a mage is going to win the vast majority of vampire encounters in general.

Trying to apply specifics always strikes me as a cover up for splat/player insecurity.

>>51518131

Just use Battle Century G

>>51513582
If anything I'd say it's the height of cowardice. The action may have been spitting, but there's no denying; that guy got spooked. He saw everything he could become, and even if he thought to himself "uh, um, ah, uh, uhhhh that shit's for pussies, yeah!", there's only one reason he denied it all.

Titan the Attacking

>>51518163
I have before, and it neither would run the humanoid-scale side of Demons (or even close really) nor does it quite have the... crunch or breadth of abilities. BCZ is a decent system but more for light wargaming than something WoDlike.

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>>51514027
I remember a short story in the books about the God-Machine and its angels and there was some window/door/threshold where these beings of twisted flesh and sensual sensation where trying to break through.

From the description they appear BAD but thematically opposite to the agents of the god machine. Is there any more information (or theories) on them?

>>51518110

BP 10 Elder against a Gnosis 10 Master

How do I incentivize ritual casting over instant casting?

>>51518274
1. Remind players that's one less reach
2. Remind players they can take extra intervals for +1 per, to a maximum of +5
3. Don't rush players as much, make them aware they can take time to cast spells in certain situations

>>51518095
Anyone here who would want to go to the OPP forums, would be there already. There really isn't a reason to say 'don't make works because the OPP forums is better for that'. We have archives, we have pastebin, we have all the means to post up homebrew, fiction, art, whatever.

Where do you go to get character art? just google search 'red headed asshole with an eyepatch'?

>>51518303
The imgur album in the pastebin has a shit ton of art that fits WoD games.

>>51518080
Alright, new question. Is making a gun jam influence 2 or influence 3?

Is there a discord for cWoD or VtM anywhere? even one related to the video games is fine

>>51518685

Why?

>Werewolf Forsaken 2ed
I want to construct / rise a new locus. How do I do this?

>>51518531
I'd say two.

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>>51518232
Gnosis 10 Mages are almost guaranteed to get an exceptional success with their gimped out dice pools.

You know what that means...

>>51518773
What sort of resonance and how much time are you willing to invest?

>>51518756
cause i wanna start a campaign sometime i guess. or just having friends with interest in the lore is fun

i'd probably be a horrible ST

>>51518794
Basic Assumptions
-No time crunch (lets say years range)
-Not a murder hole. like no blood sacrifices. nothing like too offense but can be done under the radar without too much trouble

>>51518232
What benefits do a Vampire get for high Blood Potency again?

I've never had a game go beyond BP1, so I honestly can't even remember.

>>51518861

There's always the gamefinder thread if you want to post an advert, or even here.

Though a discord for just general talk might be a good idea, if there isn't one already then you could probably try to make one yourself.

>>51518867
There's plenty of ways to subtly create a locus if you have time and resources. You could grease some palms and get the cable company to build a new office at a specific location thereby creating a locus of misery.

>>51518960
so you have to funnel emotions / spiritual energies into one spot?

>>51518773
>Werewolf Forsaken 2ed
>I want to construct / rise a new locus. How do I do this?

Find a Thyrsus mage.

What's the main benefit of a praxis?

>>51519065
>What's the main benefit of a praxis?

Exceptional Successes only require three successes (good for avoiding Withstand) and it doesn't cost a point of mana if from a non-Ruling Arcanum.

>>51519007
Sort of? Any thing with a strong resonance will cause a build up of essence which will eventually cause a locus to form. As a werwolf the best thing to do is to keep the area clear of any spirits (e.g. murder-fuck) that may come to feed on the essence so that it can built up and form a locus.

It doesn't have to be an emotion a factory that's been the cornerstone of the local economy for decades could have resonance with 'industry' or whatever.

>>51519154
early edition

>>51519130
Can you transplant things/places that have similar resonance into the same place? to help build the locus faster?

>>51518274
remind them that without a reach they have to throw their spells or be within 1foot/gnoise for them to hit their target

>>51518299

It's less "don't make works because there are other places" as much as it's "there's little incentive or reason to post it here". People barely post storytimes of their own games, probably those'll never get as much response as a power level discussion or talking about which writer is truly the worst.

WoD/CofD General is never going to a content-rich one, it mainly exists to be about speculation, planning and also drama.

>>51518861

Post your discord, im putting one together.

>>51519110
So I should pick non-Ruling spells for my praxis?