Warhammer 40,000 General

First for Orkses
Da strongast and da fastast

Second for post Your Dudes.

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>>51450992
Oh I can completely see the justification. 40k as a system is fucked, and although I wouldn't favor a system as simple as AOS or based off the retarded D6 (fuck you D6), if I had the power I would scrap all the rules. 40k is currently an objectively shit game suffering from both model and rule bloat. There are many unnecessary units, rules, systems, and codices to such a point that the whole thing needs to be thrown out and restarted.

If I had the power I'd-

>Scrap all rules
>Create a special rules department. No more 'this guy writes one codex, another guy writes another codex, etc'. Everything is standardized and written by the same team for maximum balance.
>Cut all fluff and art from the codices. Rename them simple "Rulebooks" and make them free.
>Split the game and excise escalation/apocalypse from 40k. All 40k games will be at skirmish level, 1,500 points or lower with nothing bigger than a Leman Russ legal.
>Anything bigger than 1.5k points is apocalypse. Apocalypse has no balance and is the "fuck it play with everything in the kitchen sink" game meant for players with large collections.
>Codices are now high production lore and artbooks. They are released very rarely, while rulebooks are updated automatically. These are the chief sources for knowledge of the universe.
>Get rid of the start-and-go campaigns and "chaos will kill everybody" bullshit, and instead create a living campaign that never stops.
>Living campaign is like the old 13th Black Crusade Campaign and others. Players report results online, leading to conclusions. These campaigns are never super critical to the fate of the entire setting, but can decide the fate of characters, systems, and sectors. The results will be acknowledged in later material or may even have novels written about them, and player's armies may even be canonized, such as custom marine chapters or regiments.

>>51451175

I know this is your opinion but christ that seems boring. I'd cash out of that system so fast. I know 40k is bloated and needs trimming but I certainly do not want or need space Kings of War.

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>>51450946
My guys aren't impressive, but if you insist.

>>51451175
No, the game is fine, it just needs a little trimming but not throw everything in to the trash as in aos.

>>51451152
1.5K is the only point where it is feasible to balance over 10 armies for competitive tournament play. it also encourages newcomers by offering a moderately sized game with much easier entry. And can encourage people to buy more armies given the ease of creating a new one with the small size.

Remember, this is how 40k used to be played, and that is why 2e is one of the better editions. it worked, barring imbalance present from multiple authors. The key is to make a game as catchy as X-Wing without compromising the hobbyist's joy.

>>51451210
hey that's pretty neat anon
and yes i'm that guy you replied to

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>>51451175
>>Anything bigger than 1.5k points is apocalypse.
>nothing bigger than a Leman Russ legal
RIP Land Raiders and ever playing a fluffy Black Tide list in normal games again.

You suck at this.

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>>51451224
Thanks. Pathfinder Shas'ui Haventmadeupanameyet is my first mini.
Now, on back to notmine

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Fulgrim s-senpai... you want my fist to go w-where!?

>>51451258
>Tau
>melee

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>>51451269
It sometimes happens.

>>51451221
>1.5K is the only point where it is feasible to balance over 10 armies for competitive tournament play.
In (You)r opinion.

Your idea shit because most people already play above 1.5 so youre literally just dumping them in the piss heap that is apocalypse and setting it on fire. Retarded idea tbqh senpai.

>>51451243
It's not meant for big games like black tide. Not only is that extremely expensive and part of the reason why entry into 40k can be so intimidating, but it's the wrong scale. 40k is, at its heart, a skirmish game between small squads. Land Raiders belong in apocalypse along with all the other super killy units that should be super durable.

>>51451286
There's nothing stopping people from playing 1.5k if they have more models. You aren't just suddenly locked when you have more models, that's retarded. You can obviously just behave like a normal person, and not take a unit that will be very difficult for some factions to deal with at skirmish levels. If you've got 5,400, then you just make a 1.5k list out of that and play at the normal level.

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>>51451175

>1,500 points or lower with nothing bigger than a Leman Russ legal.

Which means you have to ban anything with more than three wounds or hull points.

Which, if that's what you propose, in essence weakens Tyranids further as all of their Monstrous Creatures have over 3 wounds.

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>>51451168
Two of my girls

>>51451327
Like I said all stats go out the window. The goal is to make everything peer to each other at the small scale, and frankly gaunts desperately deserve a buff to durability given their fluff.

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This thing thats there to show scale, looks like some kind of new DG unit. it looks like its on a 40mm base so some kind of plague terminator?

>>51451315
>and not take a unit that will be very difficult for some factions to deal with at skirmish levels.
I bet you play orks or DE. I could keep replying but youre just going to autismo out the rest of the thread.

I dont like our idea because it doesnt even capture half the player base and instead focuses on what (You) want. Final comment for your idea.

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>>51451135

>>51451290
Land Raiders aren't even super killy, those things are only good at being big and eating shots if anyone decides to shoot at them. A fucking Predator tank usually kills twice as many things as a Land Raider does and isn't all that weaker in terms of armor either, especially for that point difference.

>extremely expensive and part of the reason why entry into 40k can be so intimidating
>implying any beginner would immediately want to field a Black Tide
>implying it should be limited to big games
>implying it's good in the first place

>>51451175
I'll agree with getting rid of codices. Having to pay hundreds of dollars just the ability to actually use the models you're paying hundreds of dollars for is ridiculous

>>51451355
Looks like a plague drone to me.

>>51451353

>gaunts desperately deserve a buff to durability given their fluff

Of being canonfodder that get's swept way by battle cannons, flamers and weapons of that sort.

>>51451175

Well we are getting sigmared, which means the rules for each unit will be available for free. Still gonna have to pay to get formation rules, but just get a pdf and print out the page for that honestly. Rules bloat will get cut down. I'm actually quite interested to see how it all shakes out come summer.

But quite frankly a lot of your ideas are shit.

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Just built this rad dude to be my Archon w/ a Blaster.

>>51451407

I do not think that's going to happen - not under the Rountree regime.

>>51451340
>neon green hair

I like the bone armor, but the hair is no bueno. Darker green would be better.

>>51451358
You're the one getting triggered over an extra 350 points dude. Were those two extra tanks really that vital to your army?

Also, what's wrong with playing apocalypse if you want to go over 1500? People can already spam knights to their hearts content. If you continue to play at 1850, nothing would really change for you.

>>51451364

>>extremely expensive and part of the reason why entry into 40k can be so intimidating

And thank the God Emperor for eBay. Land Raiders are still absolutely retarded at full retail price of $70-$80, considering the frequency with which they get blown the fuck up.

>>51451420
He looks like that one Inquisitor. Jaq?

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Hey guys, do you like my new Tau theme?

Takes about an hour or so to do a full squad with an airbrush. It is insanely easy.

I got so hyped about it I went out and bought the Tau battleforce. I have decided after losing my 6th straight game with my guard army that I am going to become a cheesemonger, wish me luck.

>>51451420

Dude 8th ed is right around the corner, go check bell of lost souls. They aren't gonna blow up the universe, but we are getting sigmared. 100% gonna happen.

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>tfw I actually like the 1 page 40k rules but am in the minority vs an angry majority

>>51451135
>Finally get to play a game after nearly 2 months
>Planned to take pics for the thread
>Felt rushed because the previous people took forever
>Forgot to take pics

I had one job today besides winning and I failed both.

>>51451438
I like the hex pattern on the drone, but the green and blue combo feels weird.

>>51451290
>Land Raiders belong in apocalypse along with all the other super killy units

Like Gorkanauts? Land Raiders are shit, everyone who takes one is shooting his own balls, they aint killing shit and they are expensive as fuck.

I fucking love them but they are shit.

>>51451420

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>>51451449

there are one page rules?

>>51451467
fan ruleset

>>51451472

Where does find?

>>51451467
theres a 7 page rules set

>>51451440
Mate, GW has repeatedly said they will not Sigmarize 40k, and Atia has said that 8th will more than likely be 7th with a bandaid.

>>51451440

I've kept up with BoLS pretty consistently and while everyone acknowledges that 8th is coming out there've been no significant leaks that suggests its going to AoS levels of simplicity. Ultimately AoS was a sales failure pre-GH and in Rountree's GW they're trying to avoid those mistakes. I don't doubt it is going to get stream-lined to some degree or another but I don't think they're going to attempt to damage a significant customer base by going the same direction as pre GH AoS.

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>>51451467
>>51451480

>>51451467
It's a fan thing that basically condenses the core rules and each army into one page each.

This triggers people's autism for technically being more than one page total.

>>51451438
I like the blue, but the green seems a bit weird.

>>51451480
>>51451492
https://onepagerules.wordpress.com/portfolio/one-page-40k/

>>51451462

My bad - literally just posted it without event looking at it.

>>51451437

He's actually just a crew member from a scourge runner chariot but I like the model a lot and my whole fluff for my archon is he's a big game hunter so I feel like it works.

>>51451460
>>51451496
The green is sort of meant to be the glow. I might tone it down on the next squad.

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>>51451492
>>51451499
>Crusader squads not even included
[triggered]

>>51451488

Well no shit, thats why they release with a GH. They aren't stupid, and post GH it's been skyrocketing.

>>51451492
>>51451499

Neat, thanks for answering my question. Is it any good?

>>51451577

Very true (I also really like AoS so I'm not a hard sell). Ultimately if they'd add just a tiny bit more depth to AoS (which they're moving to, the new Tzeench book was fucking fantastic) I'd be super happy.

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>>51451438

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>>51451353
gaunts are mostly fine as cheap fodder units. The bad shit about them is that their weapon options other than devourers are total trash. Spike rifles completely missed the point of being longer ranged, higher AP weapons by not having higher AP. Stranglewebs failed to do their job of being a webber by not being a webber.

These are 2E guns, so let's make them do what they did in 2E.

Spike rifle: Range:24, S3 AP4 Assault 1 +1pts per model
Strangleweb: Range:Template, S3, AP - Assault 1, Cocooned +2 points per model

Cocooned is as GSCs.

There we go, fixed termagants.
There' fixed gaunts.

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>>51451513
Yeah. Doesn't really read as a glow. Kinda just looks like weird camo. Try to get a tighter area with your airbrush if you can. and hit the center again with a lighter color. Also try yo think about how the light would actually fall. The helmets in particular look weird since if it's the eyepieces that are glowing they wouldn't have the angle to shine back on the helmet with a circular pattern like that due to the boxy mount for the eyepieces.

>>51451609
Could we get the living weapon rules back though? I actually liked those and they made a fair number of weapons better.

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>>51451164
WAAAAAAAAAAGH!!

>>51451609

Man I love the fluff for tyranid weapons. I don't like most of the rest of their fluff but their weapons are so cool.

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So I just bought a few Mechanicus models to ally with my Guard force an accompany Cawl. How does this look? Ive never used Skitarii or Cult Mechanicus before.

>>51451438
Sort of looks unfinished desu senpai.

>>51451617
Honestly I think that rule was a crutch that propped up their guns just not having good enough base profiles.

It was fluffy though so maybe.

>>51451438
is the "theme" baby's first airbrush?

>>51451438
I agree that the green currently doesn't read as glow, but maybe it's camo for the alien world

>>51451609
Can you imagine Eldar or SoB trying to assault a unit of termagants with 30 of of those stranglewebs.

ded

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Hey anons, I have a few questions!

Does Daemon Weapon allow Invulnerable Saves? I'm assuming yes, as it only says no armor saves?

Is Daemon Weapon worth it?

What is the average roll on a d6?

What relics are good on a Daemon Prince of Khorne? Assuming I have access to the Word Bearers relic list as well.

Can I really take the Burning Brand of Skalathrax on a Daemon Prince for no downsides?

>>51451588
no

>>51451382
Fluff is that a single gaunt is a terrifying force to face that even being vivisected alive and shot with a bolt pistol it's capable of surviving and regenerating from.

>>51451588

I haven't gotten to try it, but people are reluctant to try new things. That's why you get people like >>51451689

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>>51451492

>one page 40k
>it isn't one page

>>51451682
Yes
Yes
3.5
Dunno
Yes

So when kastellans reflect a shot, does or go back to the unit or who shot it? For clarification if there was a heavy weapons team in a guard platoon, and my bots shield reflected is lascannon, will it hit the heavy weapons team, or mulch some random guardsmen?

>>51451690

I haven't seen them doing any of that in the lore yet.

>>51451682
Black mace or the Relic Khorne axe are both decent choices if I recall. Not sure if Word Bearers have anything else good, but good DP weapons tend to be things that get boosted up to AP 2 and have a nice effect for it.

>>51451718
Reflects to the shooter. Literally says so in the rules.

>>51451682
>Does Daemon Weapon allow Invulnerable Saves?

If the rules don't specifically disallow Inv. saves or "saves of any kind", then yes, you get to make those saves.

>What is the average roll on a d6?

3.5

>>51451690
My general impression is that a lone termagant is basically like trying to deal with a 200lb, man-sized lobster which also has a gun that shoots giant killer beetles.

It's a terrible day, but not actually that much more dangerous than fighting an armed adult man.

>>51451718
Note that it specifically says 'the unit that fired it suffers and immediate hit', it says unit specifically, not model.

Can anyone post me the Grand Convocation rules from FoC? Don't have the book on this machine and the mega is still dead.

where can i buy nice premade models?

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>>51451168
Captain Frost ready for purging!

>>51451788

Kill yourself tripshit

>>51451715
Thanks!

>>51451741
Skull of Monarchia: Word Bearers have Reroll To Hit on Armies of the Imperium and Reroll To Wound on Ultramarines for 15 points.

Crown of the Blasphemer: 4++ Adamantium Will Fear for 30 points.

Cursed Crozius: S+2 AP3 Preferred Enemy (IoM) Concussive for 35 points.

Baleful Icon: Units charging at the bearer must reroll successful charges. If successful, counts as a disordered charge. 15 Points.

>>51451754
Thanks!

The only thing I don't like about Daemon Weapon is that on rolls of 1 it makes you WS1 and suffer a wound with no armor saves allowed.

>>51451819
Noted*

>>51451788
Just type pro painted models on eBay namefriend.

>>51451842
>>51451842
I did, I was just unsure if there was a site for like commissions n such

>>51451829
There are painting services out there for 40k armies, just google them. That shit gets REALLY expensive though.

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Heavy Gun Drone
WS:2 BS:2 S3 T4 W1 I4 A1 Ld7 Sv4+
Jet Pack infantry
bulky
Twin-linked Burst cannon
supporting fire
25 points
Heavy Support

People say Vespid are the most useless Tau unit and I just laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh

>>51451852
https://www.google.com/search?q=painting%20service%2040k

>>51451820
None of those seem too worthwhile for a Khorne Prince. I'd still say the Axe, Mace, or Brand might be the best options, although the Crown and the Crozius you posted wouldn't be too bad overall.

>>51451788
if you just want to play the game, and don't want to get into the hobby side, then play on tabletop simulator or vassal

>>51451676
It 100% is. That was the plan.

>>51451889
I'm leaning towards the Axe, but the Brand seems like fun, giving a DP a S4 AP3 Soul Blaze Torrent Flamer for 30 points and no downside seems cool.

>>51451865
>>51451865
Oh I did, I just figured you guys would know actual good sites instead of the many I see which include just forums lol.

I mainly just wanted specific pieces not entire armies.

>>51451905
Well, the downside there is that your Khorne Prince will probably want to get into close combat where it's less useful. It's better on something that you intend for a more shooty focus.

>>51451910
We paint our guys.

>>51451925
Good point.

Also, I have one more question! This may be in the codex, but are Daemon Princes immune to Spawnhood and Princehood on the Boon table?

>>51451910
I'd advise going to a game store and seeing if anyone there is interested. Far more likely to get decent quality for what you pay for.

>>51451935
They don't have Champion of Chaos, which means the only way you get to roll is by taking Gift of Mutation, which can't turn you into something else.

So no, no need to worry about your expensive prince turning into a spawn or a more generic one, unless you do something silly like intentionally cast Boon of Mutation on it.

>Bloodfeeder
>ignores your attack value in favor of 2d6
>unwieldy
What was GW thinking?

Hey guys, I want to get into 40k what's the easiest way to get into hobby? Also where can I get the models for less of insane price?

Should I buy the new LoC off ebay discounts or wait until it comes out and get it from my friendly local game store?

>>51451978
>Easiest way

Kill team

>Less money

Ebay

>>51451970
that it let's you average 7 attacks?

stick it on a budget lord and fuhgettabout it (maybe give him an invuln)

>>51451979
Do you play games at your FLGS? If you do you should support them so you'll keep having a place to play. If you don't, then sure, get it for cheaper.

>>51451970

>Cybork body
>Doesn't stack with Doc's Tools
>Grotsnik has both

What was GW thinking?

Oh wait, we know. Did we mention he's mad?

>>51451984
One last question, any tips for picking an army to play?

>>51451998
Sometimes I do but I haven't been lately since I'm at uni. They usually do discounts (sometimes up to 20%) but I don't want to miss a sweet ebay deal.

>>51451978
Getting old figs off ebay is cheapest. Learn how to strip paint and you can get stuff really cheap.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Dakka_Modeling_FAQ:_How_to_Strip...

>>51451958
Oh, you're right!

A shame about them not having Champions of Chaos though, rolling more than once on the boon table seems like it'd be fun for a super-killy DP.

On that note, what are the chances for rolling something useful for a Khorne DP? There are 23 results that work for a melee Prince, looking at the chart. Boon of Mutation lets you reroll Nothing, Spawnhood and Princehood.

>>51452017
Depends what you're after, though I would say to just pick whatever you like the models/fluff of best.

>>51452017
Consider avoiding Nids and Orks at the moment. Everything else has at least okay rules. So pick what you think looks cool. On the other hand you can probably pick up Orks or Nids really cheap right now.

>>51452017
1. Go to wikis read the brief on the armies and see which fluff peaks your interest
2. Go to GW site see what models you think are cool
3. Learn how the game works and see what play style you like the idea of and what armies do them
4. Look at tournament results and copy someone's list and then quit after it sucks in 2 months

>>51451997
Axe of Blind Fury gives 6 on average, is S6 AND stacks with base attacks at initiative.

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>>51451168
Retinue for head honcho awaiting for my paints to arrive so I can paint their symbols on and shade the red

Dubbing them the Varangian Guard for now

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Hey I need some advice.

I'm moving into a new place downtown and need a way to secure my minis. I've got about 10k points in total of Necrons, Eldar, Space Marines and Genestealer Cult.

Don't have the time or scratch to get a bunch of battlefoam or whatever, considering I'm moving out by the 20th, so I need something that can keep my minis secure for a half-hour car ride.

Thx in advance

>>51452045
>6 on average
This is factoring in Rage and being on the charge, right?

>>51452049
The fur coloring is a nice touch. I hope that's actually just 2 different terminator squads otherwise that is some scatterbrained shit right there.

>>51452069
Do it Christmas Ornament style. Wrap them individually up tissue/toilet paper and then put them in a rigid box.

>>51452034
There's only 2 results I'd say are totally useless on a melee DP, and that's the BS and +1 ranged strength. It's 1/36 odds for any given result, though the rerolls on 6 of those that you can't get muddy the odds somewhat.

>>51452020
Sounds like you've already made up your mind.

>>51452071
I've got the arms magnetized but personally I'm not one for playing strictly on a to win basis
I think the variety of weapons gives them a bit more character as should be for an entourage

fact of the matter is the local game group I was to be a part of disbanded before I could ever play a game

>>51452070
Nah, excuse my shitty wording. I meant 6 on average on a Lord, counting their attacks. With +2 instead of +1 S and striking at initiative it completely overshadows Bloodfeeder.

>>51452117
That's a good mindset to have, honestly. Winning is indeed fun, but not if it means no one wants to play with you anymore.

Also, real shame about your local gaming scene, 40k can be fun when you got folks to play with. Not so much alone.

>>51452103
+1I and Gun Morph aren't really that great on a DP either, though.

>>51452149
>Gun Morph aren't really that great on a DP either, though.

Hey, it'll turn that Burning Brand into a S5 AP3 Torrent. That's gotta count for something.

You're still generally right, though

>>51451175
Your opinions are shit.
What your want takes away everything that makes 40k 40k. I sincerely hope you are never in any sort of position to affect 40k's rules.

>>51452040
Are the Tau any good? I like the whole robotic look most of their units have. Would they be ungodly hard to paint?

>>51452149
I was talking about Gun morph with one of the ones I pointed out. Granted, extra initiative isn't too great when you're already at 8, but it's not totally useless.

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>>51451135
Oh god /tg/, I cant stop looking at Dark Eldar mini's. Please stop me from doing something stupid, like starting a DE army.

>>51452179
Tau are fairly strong right now. They aren't too tricky to paint either, since they've got a lot of nice flat surfaces and clearly defined lines.

>>51451440
>trusting bell of lost clickbait
If it doesn't come from the mouth of a proven rumormongerer like sadpanda or aita, then it might as well be wishlisting or making shit up.
See the FoC """"""""leaks"""""""

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>>51452179
They are very good right now. Like, kick your opponent right in the nutsack turn 2 good. You can play them less like a dick, but it takes a little effort, as many of their good units are pretty much a mainstay in a lot of lists.

Just start with a get started box or 2 and you'll be fine for the most part as a good foundation though if you want to play them.

>>51452190
Eh, don't worry. I'm starting one too.

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>>51452179
Very good. Pretty easy to paint.

Watch some tutorials on GW's youtube page for painting advice.
https://www.youtube.com/user/GamesWorkshopWNT

>>51451492
>doesn't even have rules for bolters
and into the trash it goes

>>51452179
They're noobslayers because noobs can't kill markerlights.

If you don't use markerlights, you'll suck because BS3.

Riptide Wing and (less so) Optimized Stealth Cadre are truly OVERpowered. So don't use those unless your local meta is quite competitive.

>>51451438
>every random detail is a neon green light source

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>>51452190
You should do something smart, like start a sisters army.

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>>51452190
Do it man. They are extremely sexy minis. And they rules aren't even that terrible. Plus there are a bunch of good box deals for them at the moment.

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Posting my terrible Gangs of Commoragh Dark Eldar List.

Tell me why it's bad and how I can make it good without dropping the 20 hellions and 12 jetbikes

Possible change would be dropping the wracks for a bunch of Trueborn in a venom shooting everything up with splinter cannons and blasters and giving my two Warrior units sergeants. Or going out and buying something monstery like Grotesques or a Talos and pairint it with a ravager to also replace the wracks

>>51452190
>>51452259

>use wych chests, legs, CSM backpacks, SM bolter arms
>greenstuff =][= symbols and chainz
>make deldar/sister BDSM rape army

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>>51452190
Nah the dark city needs you senpai.

>>51452270
Unless i'm missing something you lack any sort of anti vehicle.

>>51452270
True born and venoms sound good. I feel like a murder pack may catch folks off guard and I love hellions so keep every single one.

>>51452190
I just started a Genestealer Cult anon.
And in a few weeks, I'll not have enough time to paint more than a few minis per month.

>>51452286
It's a local meta thing.

Two of the guys I'm facing play demons (One is Khorne Daemonkin and the other is Tzeentch) and neither of them bring more than a rhino or 2, and the other lists I'm facing are Wraith Eldar, Mechanicum (with only one spider), and Tau (with only one Hammerhead). I could just swap some stuff around and fit in some dark lances instead of the disintegrators though.

>>51452270
Reavers are godly, but Hellions are pretty bad. Main thing to do would be to swap them out for Something else. Haywire scourges would give you some more anti-armour for example. Also Wracks are kinda meh. If you want to use Haemonculus stuff these days you should use the rules out of the Haemonculus Covens book.

Also I'd give your dudes Blasters, not Shredders if you want a special weapon. Other wise just stick to the spliter weapons. You're paying for the racks after all.

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>>51452190
Join us, anon. Start a happy family like I did.

>>51452270
Break the reavers into 2 squads of 6. Can hit multiple things and it's easier to get all your hammer of wraths in.

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Hey anons, how is my first Word Bearers list?

1500 Word Bearers

HQ
-Daemon Prince of Khorne, 160
+Wings, 40
+Power Armor, 20
+Gift of Mutation, 10
+Axe of Blind Fury, 35
Total, 265

Troops
-2xChaos Space Marines, 75
+2 Meltaguns, 20
+Lightning Claw, 15
+9 CCW, 18
+5 CSM, 65
+Gift of Mutation, 10
+Mark of Khorne, 20
+Icon of Wrath, 20
+Veterans of the Long War, free
Total, 243 (486)

Dedicated Transports
-2xChaos Rhinos, 35
+Dozer Blade, 5
+Dirge Caster, 5
+Havoc Launcher, 12
Total, 57 (114)

Fast Attack
-Raptors, 95
+5 Raptors, 85
+2 Meltaguns, 20
+Lightning Claw, 15
+Gift of Mutation, 10
+Mark of Khorne, 20
+Icon of Wrath, 15
+Veterans of the Long War, free
Total, 260

Heavy Support
-3xMaulerfiends, 125 (375)

Total: 1500

>inb4 it's not fluffy because all of the Marks of Khorne
Pls forgive

>>51452335
Different dude here, thinking of incorporating a haemonculus coven with my harlies, should I just take a talos wing or should I take the cronos+talos+urien/haemy formation (I forget the name) or maybe try and fit in both?

I figured a 5/4+ fnp on some harlies would be pretty good

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>>51452190
one of us one of us.

>>51452365
>inb4 it's not fluffy because all of the Marks of Khorne
>Pls forgive

Word Bearers can still fall more along the path of one God than any others, to the point where they even become marked by one of the gods. However, this is viewed as a minor spiritual failing, and will stunt your advancement in the Legion greatly. You will likely never advance past command of a unit of similarly-marked individuals, and never join the ranks of the Apostles.

Falling so far as to become something like a Cult Troop such as a Berserker, however, is unacceptable, because you no longer have the clarity to see Lorgars vision.

>>51452365
You're deriving essentially zero benefit from being Word Bearers. Might as well just call them World Eaters. You do know the Traitor Legions book exists right?

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>>51452259
I mean, if you were going to do it, now is the time. Sisters just got a huge buff with the Castellans of the Imperium formation (Immolators lose ObSec but Seraphim and Dominions gain it thanks to Coteaz, and the bulk of your army comes back on a 5+ which is nice for long side deployment but god tier for short sides and corners), new Celestine (holy fuck, she can actually survive a turn or 5 against S6), and the FAQ that lets them shoot out of their Razorback equivalents.

Plus, you can buy Griznak sisters right this moment.

>>51452407
Hilariously, Dark Apostles can take Marks as well.

I still haven't found out what being a DP means to WB canonically, though.

>>51452421
Yeah, I know. But I like the Word Bearers, and I'm going to paint my dudes as Word Bearers, and I feel it'd be wrong to run them as World Eaters.

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>>51452190
Do it

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>>51451164
Trying out some different types of weathering on these dudes

>>51452536
meant to link
>>51451168

So, my mate has told me some things and I'm here on /tg/ to check. I don't come on /tg/ any more due to certain posters and shit, so I am behind on everything

1. Eldar are being renamed to Aeldari? That's not a bad name and I quite like it, but that's what's happening, unsurprisingly I guess?

2. Slannesh is being squatted?

3. Cadia IG has been squatted?

4. Ad Mech got a Primarch and are going to rez it with Eldar (Aeldari) help?

5. Mortarion is the next Primarch getting a model?

6. Draigo is getting a new model alongside Mortarion cause they have some history?

7. Black Templars are getting new models?

8. SoB are getting (more it seems) models?

9. Calgar is getting a new model?

10. Chaos wins and the setting is deleted and replaced with Age of Sigmar: 40k?

I dunno of any of this is true and would greatly appreciate some help in the matter. Thank you for your time.

>>51452567
99% memes

>>51452567
Yes for copyright reasons

No

No, Cadia the planet was squatted

No

Possibly

Possibly

No

No

No

No

>>51452567
>2. Slannesh is being squatted?
Probably. The axed it out of fantasy. Its obvious they want slaanesh off the map.

>>51452430
These Griznak sisters are legit

>>51452629
its because of boob nipple models; GW wants to be more family friendly

>>51452608
2nding this >>51452608

Although Celestine did get new a model. So I think that counts for Sisters. Nothing on more than that though.

Can someone tell me what's the appeal of Dark Eldar? I just read their lore, and there seems to be little to them that isn't pure edgefaggotry.

>>51452629
>>51452663
If they'd wanted to squat Slaanesh they would have done it when they axed TKs and Brets. Not happening.

>>51452190
feels like half the fucking thread is so dw about it

>>51452689
they did it in AoS

>>51452683
>Space Pirates
>Cyberpunk city of Commarragh
>Best models of the Franchise
>Effectively each Kabal is independent, so very easy to make up fluff that works with the canon

>>51452705
No? They didn't. That's what I'm referring to.

>>51452663
Which always makes me wonder why blood and skulls and murder and genocide are fine but emperor forbid a nip.

>>51452689
No, they'd do exactly what they did. Slaanesh was too big to just blatantly kill. So they put the character on freeze/ambiguity to be lost to obscurity. Its a smart play. All the models that are selling better across two systems are still valid so players wont just drop them thinking "OH NO SLAANESH IS DEAD". They can continue to sell them. Its a very clever strategy. I would do the same.

During this time of ending setting slaanesh is going to be beat back, but not dead with the new Eldar god, just like in fantasy. And slowly Slaanesh will fade away.

>>51452738
As I've said before, Western audiences are fine with gore, but will burn down the place for any sort of sexual reference.

>>51452721
>Space Pirates
Orks do it better

>Cyberpunk City of Commorragh
AdMech does it better

>Best models of the franchise
Orks do it better

>Effectively each Kabal is independent, so very easy to make up fluff that works with the canon
You mean literally every faction?

Don't respond to the defeatist anon above, he just wants to beat down DE

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>>51452756
>Space Pirates
>Orks do it better
Hah. No. Freebooters are literally a children's cartoon.

>>51452567
1. No Aeldari is the ancient name for eldar (which is contradicted by the DE codex) and the supporters of Ynead are a new subfaction trying to recreate the ancient eldar and go by the name Aeldari.

2. No or Ynead has no opponent

3. No Cadian regiments have founded many planets, and the majority of cadian forces are not stationed on Cadia.

4. No you are probably thinking of the void dragon who is a Necron C'tan, or of the HH chaos mechanicus guy who has ridiculous rules.

5. Maybe we have seen a leak of thumbnail photos which could be shopped / still a long ways in production.

6. A plastic terminator with a psychic hood is coming out that is all that we know.

7. No evidence of this

8. No evidence of this

9. No evidence of this

10. GW has actively said they are not going to End times and then Sigmar 40k, and while they could be lying or change their minds that is still the official statement.

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>>51452756
>Orks
Well there's no arguing with such utterly shit taste

>>51452769
>Hah. No. Freebooters are literally a children's cartoon.
Hah. No. Dark Eldar are literally an edgy teen's fanfiction.

>>51452738
Literally conspiracy theories. But, I'm not going to get in a pissing match with you.

>>51452777
>shit taste
What do AdMech have to do with this?

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>>51452777
And what faction would you say has the best models?

I bet it's fucking Tau, isn't it?

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>>51452799
>an edgy teen's fanfiction
Yes? and? That's basically all of 40k?

Orks are cool. Freebooters are fucking stupid.

>>51452814
DE, as i've said

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>>51451168
My mostly finished celestine.

Plastic sisters when?

>>51452818
Not that anon, but what's wrong with Freebooters? I guess they're a bit outdated in my opinion. A relic from Rogue Trader where Orks and Humans actually interacted beyond RIP AND TEAR.

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>>51452827

>>51452818
>Yes? and? That's basically all of 40k?
False, different factions appeal to different people. For example Tau to weebs, Nids to women and IG for military enthusiasts.

>Freebooters are fucking stupid.
Why? Because they do the pirate thing better than your edgy elves and you're mad at it?

>>51452800
Conspiracy theory? It's basic character icing 101. They did it with Han Solo when they thought Ford might not come back. This particular example had the character return, but it's the same principle; Put the character 'on ice' to effectively render them 'dead' without actually killing them.

Another 43 billion examples would be every bad guy that falls into a dark hole. Did they really die? Some return, some don't but it keeps the fans hooked because a character they liked might not be dead and gone.

its a very practical thing to do and doesnt require any UFOs to pull off

>>51452599
Okay...

>>51452608
Thanks.

>>51452629
>>51452663
>>51452705
But Slaanesh is not the only 'boob nipple' models. The Dark Elves in AoS have a snake woman with her boobs out which is an 8th edition model iirc. It can't be about boobs. Also I'm 99% sure that there are models, rules and books about Slaanesh in AoS.

>>51452774
Okay, thank you. Seems like people aren't really sure of anything on here either. As for the Ad Mech thing, my mate said some guy had a 'super important relic' he got and was part of some Eldar plan for 10k years to do and it was in a statis field and was being brought to some cave or some shit? He said Abaddon said it was impossible to exist so my mate said it was Ferrus Mannus.

>>51452823
Raiders/bigger raiders are pretty cool, I'll give you that
But if you think anything else looks good, not only are you wrong, but you're also irredeemably retarded

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Ever since these were released i've always wondered how good they actually are on tabletop

Anyone here ever fielded a Mr Potato'naut before or faced one? how do they perform?

>>51452870
>Kabalite Warriors
>Incubi
>Mandrakes
>Scourges
>Talos
>Wracks

Oh and one more thing.

My mate also said there was a bit in the book where Cadia died (he said squatted). He said there is a fluff report of an Ad Mech force being attacked by a guy who uses 'pre-heresy Astartes combat tactics' or something. Apparently it ripped through the army and the last fluff text was the Ad Mech saying despite being the size of an Astartes it took way way way more damage that it should have, suggestion it isn't a Space Marine.

My mate said it's Alpharius; who didn't die. Which he said would mean retconning BL books, which I'm all for.

>>51452536
How'd ya do that?

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>>51452756
>AdMech
Aesthetically, Admech isn't particularly Cyberpunk. It's nowhere near clean enough. It's most playing in the Steampunk and Dieselpunk space. The only vaguely cyberpunk thing is their relationship to programming and machine language, but even that is undercut by the religious aspect.

In comparison, much of DE are very clearly cyberpunk in aesthetic.

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>>51452899
It's a laughably bad giant robot that doesn't get the benefit of Super Heavy Walker rules and doesn't shoot enough shots to make up for BS 2. OH and can be killed by AP 1/2 in a turn with a lucky shot.

Just avoid it. You could also bring some nobs with it...

>>51452899
Pretty terrible. They're slow and have bad guns.

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>>51452899

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Thoughts on this? Its a cheap secondary army $ wise with the new Tzeentch box. I really like Ahriman as a character but rubrics dont interest me as I already have soulless automaton with my Crons, so having a psychic deathstar sounds like it could be an interesting change of pace.

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>>51452865
What that is referring to is a mix of this guy in the pic's fluff and a fluff section in FoC saying abbadon reckons someone who he knows and has been in stasis for 10k~ years is on a nearby admec ship.
Who that someone is, whether they will ever leave stasis, why they are on a admech ship, or if GW will ever bring this up again is unknown.

Just as a reminder DE have supposedly recreated Russ (or a close approximation) in the 5E codex and I doubt that will be brought up again.

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>>51452831
They're very much a relic of 2nd ed. Orks. One I feel is rather out of place with the direction of 3rd ed. Orks. They're like Goff Rockers. I like the humor in Orks, but making them literal Pirates of the Caribbean in aesthetics is pretty lame.

>>51452901
>Nobz
>Flash Gitz
>Flyers
>Deff Dreads/Kans
>Stormboyz
>Orkanauts

>>51452899
House rule it into a super heavy assault transport walker and it's actually pretty damn good.

>>51452964
>>51452901
You're idiots. Orks and DE both have very cool ranges.

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>>51452964
>Flyers
>Deff Dreads/Kans
>Orkanauts
>Good

>>51452827
Needs way more gold. I like that you've not gone the EVERYTHING IS GOLD route, looks good on the armour, but all the fleur-de-lis should definitely be gold.

>>51452567
>4. Ad Mech got a Primarch and are going to rez it with Eldar (Aeldari) help?
Possibly. Cawl is desperately lugging around something in a stasis chamber, something he's been charged with lugging around for millennia, and when Abbadon was content to let them go, one of his sorcerers said Cawl had in the pod "[name not given]" which Abbadon freaked out over and chased them down to the edge of the system.

Very likely that was/is Girlyman in the pod, or some other incapacitated primarch.

>>51452865
>models, rules and books about Slaanesh in AoS.
There are. Anything about Slaanesh is pure speculation. Slaanesh is currently heavily tied into the Elves of both AoS and 40k.

>>51452983
We're talking aesthetics here

>>51452924
This. AdMech is dieselpunk with elements of atompunk.

Their cities are too ordered as well, they literally run like well oiled machines. Commorragh is the wretched hive overrun with gangs and huge corporations (kabals) with zero oversight or restrictions.

>>51452985
I'm considering it. What you can't see is that the knee pads are gold. I'll have a bash tomorrow I guess.

Nice to see someone else hates gws rendition of her. I hate their flat white wings too. Blend that shit from grey.

>>51452998
I'd give the Kans it then, sure
But the flyers are a bit shit compared to those in Deff Squadron and the Nauts are too fat - Stompas work tho

>>51452918
Cadia got destroyed by Abbadon ramming the Blackstone Fortress into it. Fluff report didn't happen. Alpharius is dead though.

>>51452924
DE are cybergoth, more specifically
>>51453009
>dieselpunk
>atom punk
they're INDUSTRIAL with elements of raygun gothic

>>51453029
I feel like I'm in /mu/

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>>51453020
The flyers are "close enough" to Deff Squadron to work for me.
I'll give you the nauts though, they could stand to be a little thinner

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>>51452961
At least Goff Rockers COULD work.
They could bring Goff Rockers back. Just make them like those Mad Max Fury Road guys who played flame thrower guitars on vehicles and shit. Go less 80s Hair Metal, more Mad Max.
Freebooters are just kind of obtuse, and I can't really think of a reason why they'd be there now. Who the hell are they trading with? Who's hiring them when everyone can't stand Orks in the setting, INCLUDING the faction that tries to recruit everyone?

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>>51452567
>>51452990
>4.
It isn't necessarily a person, but between how Cawl refers to the contents and the emphasis on "name" instead of "word" or some other proxy, it is definitely a possibility.

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>>51451168

Thoughts on fake Celestine vs real Celestine vs old Celestine? I think I actually really like this one, except that two pairs of wings is a bit excessive. I think I might buy it and just leave the larger wings off.

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>>51453097
Derp.

>>51452854
I'm a massive military enthusiast, yet am not a weeb in any way and I play tau.
I play tau since tau can do the whole combined arms thing as good as IG, but at a more competitive level, especially since my local gw is full of grav spam marines and a knight player who runs the 4 knights formation at 1500 points as his army.
Also, the other tau player at my store is a body builder.
The weebs in our store play orks, chaos and space marines.

>>51453097
The models wings are a gorgeous version of mechanical wings, but I could see if someone wanted flesh or "warpstuff" wwings instead to match the WH art. The old shower curtain is just bad at this point.

>>51453079
Fuck I've always wanted that krieg model or that quatermaster one.

That's fucking dope, dude

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>>51452827

Am I the only person who plans on gluing Celestine by her feet to the base and leaving out the AoS style purity seal stand?

>>51453025
How can Alpharius be dead, when we're all Alpharius?

>>51453097

Raging Celestine >= Cadia Celestine >>> Metal Celestine

Sometimes I bounce back and forth between which is the best Celestine. GW one has her classic look, is plastic, and is a nice simple model that still looks nice, and is OFFICIAL. Raging Heroes however has shit tons more detail and looks far more picturesque and has a sexier face and hair. I plan on owning both eventually, maybe using the RH one as a Gemini.

>>51453025
Fluff report did happen. He said it was an Ad Mech report being sent out from some other planet. I can ask him for some quotes. As for Alpharius being dead, he was 'killed' by Girlyman. Then by Dorn. Omegeon goes "yeah he's dead" in a BL book. GW regularly retcons BL, so having Alpharius actually survive is hardly the biggest asspull ever.

>>51453067
I need a digital copy of the book (Fall of Cadia?) to try and find my mate talking about that guy raping the Ad Mech.

>>51453097
>>51453105
>>51453118
I personally hoped for the ability to create your own generic Living Saint for SoB, like you can with generic Lords and shit elsewhere. Essentially a Daemon Prince but for the Emperor. That why I could use the Raging Heroes proxy I bought and it'd be cool.

>>51453124
Not me. Celestine is posed beautifully in my opinion.

>>51453124
It looks great but yeah, fragile as hell.

Sticking her to the base would help with dodging LOS too.

>>51453135
>I need a digital copy of the book
Go to the OP then.

Best weapons to stick on scourges?

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>>51453135
>create your own generic Living Saint for SoB
Well they're pretty rare. And although there were multiple SoB Living Saints, not all Living Saints were SoB.

>>51453154
That's kind of like asking which is the best Leman Russ, so to give the same difficult answer as that: haywire blasters will do the most work for the most lists in the same way vanilla LRBT will for IG. Ultimately it's up to whatever you are lacking - there's even a solid niche for shardcarbine scourggs - but haywire is the default. They'll all die T1 no matter your gun anyways.

>>51453135
GW doesn't actually contradict BL as often as they used to.

>>51453154
Haywire, Blasters or Heat Lances. Haywire is awesome at tank hunting but that's all they do. The other two are similar and more generalist and come down to preference.

>>51453154
Haywire for Pure Anti vehicle
Blaster for Multi-Purpose

>>51453190
>>51453202
One more question, how do DE deal with gargantuans?

Just loads of poison and hope for them 6+'s?

>>51453228
You focus fire at the right time and drown it in a mixture of poison and AP2

Codex: Lost and the Damned when?

>>51453145
I got it but the reader I use, LuciFox, wasn't displaying the fluff text properly and I can't find a reader which can display it properly so I can show this guy what I meant.

>>51453201
True but this fluff report says it's a single Astartes, taking damage way beyond Astartes and is operating alone. Sounds Alpharius or Omegeon to me.

Blaster Scourges or Razorwing Jetfighter?

>>51453202
>>51453226
>Blasters
I've never ran scourges with blasters before, but I always told myself that if I would, I'd take Dlances instead. It's 5 extra points per gun (20 pts for the squad) to be able to fire from 36" away, well outside of the typical suicide zone of blasters (18" being enough for any troop to move 6" and Rapid Fire).

I know Ravagers can do the same, but I run my ravager with disintegrators for 9 AP2 shots and have absolute no regrets there, as that alone fills a niche we usually lack.

>>51453025
I copy and pasted it for you;

Report T134/3U65

Sent: Hydra Cordatus Sonde Relay

Received: Agripinaa

Sender: Vanguard Alpha 5-Vostok Harkon, Sigma Maniple, Agripinaa Legio XXII

Location: Hydra Cordatus pylon field, northern quadrant. 5.00021 kilometres beneath planetary surface.

Statement: Sigma Maniple under sustained attack from unidentified robed assailant. Heavy casualties.

Statement: Intruder’s combat technique and power armour suggests pre-Heresy Adeptus Astartes training.

Conclusion: Intruder is an operative of the Black Fleet.

Conjecture: Intruder seeks something from the catacombs.

Directive: The unbeliever must be purged. All hail the Omnissiah!

Location: 6.11581 kilometres beneath planetary surface.

Statement: Ambush encountered at Vault Delta-031. Heavy casualties sustained.

Statement: Intruder appears to be operating alone.

Conclusion: Intruder can be overwhelmed.

Directive: Commit additional forces.

Location: 8.33942 kilometres beneath planetary surface.

Statement: Extreme casualties sustained.

Statement: Intruder exhibits resilience beyond standard Astartes parameters.

Statement: Intruder has reached Vault Delta-001. No further movement.

Conclusion: Intruder has attained his goal.

Statement: Auspex circuits register unfamiliar energies. Intruder approaches.

Directive: Ready arms. All hail the Motive Force!

<transmission ends>

>>51453067
It's Loken.

>>51453283
scourges, the jetfighter is a piece of shit. If you need anti air get a crimson hunter

>>51453105
Link?

>>51453293
>I'd take Dlances instead.
But you sacrifice the unit type for longer range. Considering they're T3/4+ i'd rather have them running around

>>51453279
>I can't find a reader which can display it properly
Readium will do the job stoically. If you're against that, which I presume you are as it's constantly shouted in this general and even in the OP, right where the epub links are given, then Epub File Reader also works. EFR is my favorite reader, with a clean and adjustible display that can zoom, but the newest epub format fucks with it a bit, so it takes some fiddling to deal with the newer books.

>>51453296
>unidentified robed assailant.

It's Cypher. Fuck off, Alpha-cancer.

>>51453300
Abbadon wouldn't go out of his way for that desu. A Primarch would actually threaten his plans. Plus the Ad Mech + Eldar said it was a plan 10k in the making. Many Iron Hands refused to believe Manus died; so maybe he didn't. Maybe his 'death' was an hallucination caused by the daemon in Fulgrim for it's pleasure?

Who knows. Maybe it's Khan, after all, maybe the Dark Eldar got fed up with him racing them constantly.

>>51453296
Thats probably Cypher.

>>51453311
>i'd rather have them running around
We all would, but considering how fast my 18" haywire scourges die every game, they don't get much chance for running, ever. Dlances at least let you sit outside of range for returning fire, leading to an alternative survivibility. Depends on how terrain-heavy your games typically are, of course.

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>>51451910
You clearly want Blue table painting.

>>51453325
That's a bit of a strong reaction, mate. How is Cypher

>Statement: Intruder exhibits resilience beyond standard Astartes parameters.

Cypher certainly doesn't have the stats to support this. It clearly isn't a Daemon Prince. Alpharius was the size of a regular Space Marine. He did wear robes. There is nothing stopping it being him.

>>51453336
But Cypher has " resilience beyond standard Astartes parameters." His Dataslate has him BS10, but still T4.

>>51453342
>>51453311
Whoops. Didn't mean to add 18" in there. Haywire blasters are 24", of course.

>>51452012
Its clearly because
Theyre really fired up!!

>>51453351
I can understand that, but 99% of my games are terrain heavy AS THEY SHOULD BE so having static fire squads is weak
Not to mention they have to Snap shot when they move or DS

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>>51452683
Highest density of models with tits outside of the nuns with guns.

>>51453329
Loken is more dangerous than any Primarch.

>Many Iron Hands refused to believe Manus died; so maybe he didn't. Maybe his 'death' was an hallucination caused by the daemon in Fulgrim for it's pleasure?

This is how retarded Alpha-cancer is.

Ferrus corpse was mutilated by Fulgrim and the daemons. He was cloned time and time again by Fabius.

A ghost of Ferrus manifested out of the Warp in MoM.

>>51453303
As in, take 1 and only 1?
Or as in Mandrake tier?

>>51453350
Stats =/= lore

>There is nothing stopping it being him.

Except him being dead, you cancer.

>He did wear robes.

Source.

>>51453371
>Loken is more dangerous than any Primarch.
This is what BL-fags actually believe.

>>51453368
Yeah, fair enough. I almost mentioned Ravagers in my initial post, which does the same job with lances a bit better, but a disintegrator ravager does a job the rest of our codex lacks, so it's difficult to recommend otherwise.

>>51453316
See, when I use EFR, it doesn't display text. I wasn't sure how to fix it, which is why I used Luxifox. I also use Firefox so I can't use Readium. Thanks for your help though.

>>51453386
Loken is not Black Legion. He is a Luna Wolf.

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>Mortarion/ Draigo release

>Fulgrim/ Headless Horseman Legion of the Damned Ferrus Manus on Primarch sized bike release

MAKE IT HAPPEN GW

>>51453393
I mean I guess it was unclear but I meant Black Library.

>>51453350
Alpharius was a traitor, and was killed by Dorn. Omegon was a loyalist, and we don't know anything else.

>>51453279
>I got it but the reader I use, LuciFox, wasn't displaying the fluff text properly and I can't find a reader which can display it properly so I can show this guy what I meant.

Try Azardi. That's what Black Library itself suggests.

>>51452921
The little flakes are done using salt/hairspray

the big splotches were done with latex-based masking fluid

>Abaddon defeated the traitor Primarchs and forced them to acknowledge him as Warmaster.
>THIS LOYALIST PRIMARCH IS A THREAT GUISE

Retarded.

Vulkan himself failed to end the Waaagh! of the Beast when he took over the armies of the Imperium. He failed and disappeared. Primarchsa re nothing in these days.

>>51453385
Source is the Horus Heresy books by Forge World. It says in one bit he regularly walked around outside of his power armour and 'pretended' to be one of the others.

>you cancer

These insults can mean I'm talking to one person only. The disregarding of stats confirms who it is, as you don't play.

Alpharius was dead when Girlyman killed him. Oh but what's that? He wasn't really dead and Dorn killed him, this time for realses!

>>51453406
Just like Eldrad was turned to Crystal or that Baal was invaded already or various of other things retconned, like SoS 'not existing in 40k' or other crap. I'm not saying it can't be Cypher, I'm just saying that Cypher has never been recorded as being able to take more damage than a regular Space Marine.

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>>51452983
Orks have the best looking flyers by far.

Also among the most aerodynamic

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>>51453392
>when I use EFR, it doesn't display text
I genuinely don't know then. The only issue I really have with it is that it sometimes fucks up italics, so those all-italics blurbs interspaced through the story are totally illegible for me unless I copypaste them into notepad or use readium.

>>51453401

>Ferrus Manus is the unliving primarch of the Legion of the Damned

make it happen GW

>>51453420
>>Abaddon defeated the traitor Primarchs and forced them to acknowledge him as Warmaster.
Magns didnt even receive him just told him to fuck off. He had to get Ahrimans support instead.

>>51453408
Thanks. Seems to be a program though. We'll see what happens. Thanks for help.

>>51453420
>Draigo literally carves a name into the heart of Daemon Primarch Mortarion
>he isn't even a Primarch
>LOL NO THREAT GUISE

>>51453420
>Abaddon defeated the traitor Primarchs
[CITATION NEEDED]

The daemon primarchs just dont give a shit about conquering terra, and stay on their personal planets jacking off and only leave to do petty shit like fuck with random chapter masters for shiggles

Anyway I'm out, seems like Carnac is here. Or should I say, Cancerac.

>>51453296
>Hydra Cordatus
>Robed Astartes
>Lone Operator

That's Cypher.

>>51453423
>Source is the Horus Heresy books by Forge World. It says in one bit he regularly walked around outside of his power armour and 'pretended' to be one of the others.

Not in combat condition, you asshole. He does not wear robes in battle. Cypher does.

The Alpha-cancer and their Primarchs never were robes in combat in ANY of their appearances.

Furthermore, the robbed guy acted as an agent to the Black Legion. We know that Cypher at the time of the 13th Black Crusade was working for Abaddon as a part of a deal as his agent.

>Alpharius was dead when Girlyman killed him. Oh but what's that? He wasn't really dead and Dorn killed him, this time for realses!

BL Weekender and various authors and editors confirmed that Alpharius is dead. Whoever Girlyman killed must have been Omegon or a random marine.

Die, cancer.

>>51453447

This. They have long since stopped giving a shit about the original casus belli for the long war. Mortarion and Angron just want to have fun with their balls out, Fulgrim retired to his pleasure kingdom, Perturabo is having too much fun playing Minecraft forever, all Magnus thinks about is how to torture Space Wolves, and worst primarch is just an insufferable shitposting tripfag now.

Abaddon is literally the only one to give a damn, with Huron Blackheart being a distant second since he feels betrayed and disrespected by the Imperium.

>>51453300
>>51453371
Except that Loken is probably the Luna Wolf--eventually-turned-Grey Knight Grandmaster that Abbadon personally hunted down and killed, mentioned (IIRC) in the Damnation Cache thing.

>>51453447
>>51453438
Talon of Horus. Before starting the 1st Black Crusade. Abaddon went to each of the traitor Primarchs to demand they bow to him. All bowed except Magnus, Mort, and Angron. Abaddon and his pals defeated them all and forced them to kneel.

>>51453438
>Magns didnt even receive him just told him to fuck off.

Retconned. Magnus works as an ally of the Abaddon and has joined the Black Crusade.

>>51453475
There is no proof of that.

>>51453435
i just dropped my pizza rolls in my lap in shock. This is my new head canon.
I need this now.

>>51453478
>All bowed except Magnus, Mort, and Angron.
So, what, just Fulgrim and Petulant Perturaboo?

>>51453494
Lorgar happily bent the knee.

>>51453478

>Abaddon and his pals defeated them all and forced them to kneel.
>Abaddon can't even solo Saint Celestine

Saint Celestine can solo Daemon Primarchs confirmed.

>>51453492
The Legion of the Damned are canonically the Fire Hawks though IIRC. (an Imperial Fist successor chapter lost during the Badab war).

>>51453458
calm the shitposting raeglord

>>51453489
Of course there isn't. Just as there isn't any proof of Cawl guarding the stasis pod of Loken.

However, how many remaining Luna Wolves are there to become the "erstwhile brother" Grey Knight Grand Master that Abbadon hunted down?

>>51453505
Wrong.

Celestine was said to be no match for Abaddon. She needed her two bodyguard sluts to fight beside her against Abaddon to even out the fight and even then they were struggling against him.

How many of you guys using any of the Triumvirate actually play their factions? I'll bet Greyfax sees a lot of use like any Inquisitor and barely anybody really plays pure Inquisition, but how many Celestine users are using her in non-SoB/Castellan armies? How many of you guys are taking Cawl but have no Skitarii/AdMech?

And what armies are you using them in? Marines? IG?

>>51453505
>>51453478

The reason Abby doesnt want to give himself to Chaos is the reason all the demon primarches bowed despite being able to bitchslap ol topknot.

They get lots of perks sure, but when youre on a big fat demon primarch salary and the boss decides to make you do bitchwork, you do the bitchwork.

>>51453508
retconned to just Daemons of the Emperor as of Cadia

>>51453508

They weren't lost during the war. After the end of the war, the entire chapter fleet made a warp jump and got stuck in the warp, with the vast majority of the fleet overtaken or destroyed.

The nature of the Legion of the Damned itself is really inconsistent, though. At first, it was literally Fire Hawk survivors physically tossing themselves onto whatever battlefields they could find. Now they're practically warp creatures who are the manifestations of hope and wrath whenever an Astartes company needs to dial 911.

>>51453519

That fight occurred during the time the pylons weakened her Warp power. Greyfax couldn't even fucking move.

>>51453518
>"erstwhile brother" Grey Knight Grand Master that Abbadon hunted down?

He didn't hunt him down. He just saw him "die".

Loken survived one death already.

>>51453538

Also highly suspected that Loken is in pandora's box.

>>51453535
Hes talking about the Twin SoB Cannonesses not Greyfax.

>>51453544
Nobody thinks that, whatever is in the box is a far higher pay grade than Loken.

>>51453532
>>51453534
Huh, I always liked them more when they were the warp-or-maybe-virus tainted remnants of the Fire Hawks, their inability to feel pain and perceived mortal clock ringing 2 minutes to midnight having them throw themselves into any and all desperate warzones.

Apologies, yes I also meant "lost in the warp" not lost as in destroyed.

>>51453508
>The Legion of the Damned are canonically the Fire Hawks though IIRC.
The new LotD supplement invalidated that, actually. Or at least it made it a heck of a lot less likely. There is a blurb that goes over "possibile origins," where that one is mentioned, and finishes it with, "But even more likely is the simplest explanation, that perhaps they are the ghosts of lost astartes, etc etc."

They also extended the timeline to show instances of LotD well before the Fire Hawks were lost in 930.M41.

>>51453551

Abaddon and his sorcerer make a guesttimate that its Loken in the box.

>>51453531
>despite being able to bitchslap ol topknot.

Angron, Mort, and Magnus put up a fight against Abaddon and his crew. They lost hard with Mort being the only one coming close to killing Abaddon with his plagues.

Stop sucking their dicks. They are weaklings.

>>51453532
Nope, It's been established that the Nurglite disease that hit the Fire Hawks changed them into what they are. Now according to their short story series, they go around recruiting dying marines to their legion.

>>51453535
Wrong. The fight took place before the pylons activated, you piece of lying garbage.

>>51453538
Personally saw that Grand Master "dead," which has an entirely different connotation. Die is observer. Dead is active.

>>51453557

My personal hypothesis is a lot of it is true. Most of the Fire Hawks died in the warp and became part of the Legion of the Damned. If a loyal Astartes soul is too angry at time of death, he becomes part of the Damned. When the rest of the Fire Hawk survivors died out on distant battlefields, they too joined their undead brethren.

>>51453557
It doesn't. You are just intentionally being moronic. They put forth many theories but examining external sources we see that they are the Fire Hawks.

>They also extended the timeline to show instances of LotD well before the Fire Hawks were lost in 930.M41.

The Warp does not acknowledge linear time. Do you have a point?

>>51453557
Boo, my favourite fluff of them ever was before the Imperium really knew anything proper about them, and after a particularly fierce engagement where they had turned up to save the day (and done their usual fade away trick.) the surviving Imperials found a faded and battle-torn standard of the Fire Hawks.

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>>51453575
>It doesn't. You are just intentionally being moronic.
Are you dumb, blind, obstinate, or all 3?

>>51453575

>The Warp does not acknowledge linear time.

The Warp does generally hold to a pattern of time moving forward a hell of a lot more than moving backward. I'm personally unfamiliar with any instance of Astartes being displaced backwards in time.

>>51453586
>Seldom has the manse itself been breached successfully and have the intruders escaped with their lives. One incursion is said to have involved a squad of Fire Hawks Space Marines, a Chapter long since declared lost in the mortal realm. While Nurgle was preoccupied drowning a Lord of Change in his cauldron, the Space Marines arrived engulfed in an inferno of flame and bolter fire to reclaim their fallen captain, whom Nurgle’s minions had once overtaken all-too easily from Khorne’s Wrathgate. The Lord of Decay has his suspicions about the source of this event, laying blame at the feet of the Blood God for the foul deed, for while the Fire Hawks brought their inferno, several blood relics and skull-seeds also vanished from the garden.

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>Ten Space Marines of the Fire Hawks Chapter slip through the ethereal void and enter the realms of Nurgle to free Captain Tirek, who is held captive within Nurgle’s manse. The Fire Hawks are enveloped in a spiritual fire, a cleansing inferno of their wrath made manifest. They fight their way through the thick, ever changing gloom and assault his dwelling, burning back the drips of ichor and clouds of spores. Fierce fighting rages throughout his oubliette, their weapons furiously dealing with diseased creatures. Their cleansing flame purges disease from the very air around them. The Fire Hawks’ incandescent attack results in the deaths of hundreds of the Nurgle’s subordinates. Having lost only two battle brothers in the melee, the Fire Hawks finally leave with Tirek. However, little do they realise that Nurgle’s Rot has taken root beneath their captain’s power armour, and the bubbling plague is spreading throughout his body. The Fire Hawks venture back out into the Immaterium, their captain slowly succumbing to disease, becoming a vector for the horrific Red Plague.

-Index Chaotica : Garden of Nurgle

No, you are being all three plus being a cunt on top of that.

Are there any books about renegade guardsmen? I want some represenatation.

>>51453589
How about a Tzeentchian daemon prince that was traveling from the end of the universe towards the start of the universe?

>>51453559
Testing =/= Actually fighting.

>>51453606
Gaunt's Ghosts.