40k General

>>51436015
First for the guard.

Second for ynnead stopped being a mem

What are you building tonight /tg/? I'm working on a Crimson Hunter Exarch right now.

4th for slaanesh

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4th for Vostroya

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Not sure what to fill the remaining 82 points with in this 2,000 point list. Got a casual tournament coming up in a month, and I'm looking at taking this instead of a more standard Incursion as a way to limit the power.

>>51436008
I dont know im not really into nids to actually win i kinda just really like their models. just thought id post my list here to see peoples thoughts. Thank you for your input though abd who knows by time i get done painting all this the nids might have a workable codex.
Also i'm more using the Zoanthropes as ways to get more synapse in my army more than anything else.

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"these three pieces are designed to be a trilogy"

"I'am still working on tle last piece but I plan to make it brighter and more golden, like a spark of hope in a galaxy of darkness"

>>51436040
Celestine.

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>>51436053
Calling it, squatted before 2018.

>>51436073
Emps?

>>51436040
questoris to cerastus conversion

>>51436073

Abbadon
Avatar of Yneead
Ghazzy, Fist of Gorkamorka

>>51436073
Why do I get the feeling this is just going to be a Triumverate of Space Marines? Rowboat Gullyman gets shoved in a dreadnought, and teams up with some blood angels guy and grey knights to kill Slaanesh or something.

>>51436070
You can totally not use FMCs in low points games and not come across like you're embarrassingly bad, but nids don't scale up well at all. If you're at 1850 and you're not cheesing as hard as possible you may as well just not show up.

>>51436073
Revived sanguinious to lead the BA to chaos when?

>>51436073
Emps and Mohawk Custode Man Bear? Maybe Gman?

They haven't squatted SoB. What the fuck makes people think they're going to squat Slaanesh? AoS hasn't even squatted Slaanesh.

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I'm looking to make a Kult of Speed list with Zhadsnark since I like the theme and fucking love the look of the Ork Planes. With the understanding that I know they aren't optimal, which should I look to use? Dakkajets?

>>51436040
ghost ark, first time building any of the necron kits, its definitely diffrenet.

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>>51436023

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What Chapter Tactics do you think are appropriate for Marines Malevolent?

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RIP john hurt

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>>51436073
sanguinus back to life

>>51436135
SoB aren't all about weird sex.

>>51436073
Some Custodes character
Rogal Dorn
Dante

vs

Be'lakor/ Kabhanda / Some other Demon Prince
Abaddon
An almost Spawn Huron Blackheart

So if this Storm is three books long, maybe the next series will be about the incoming hordes? One book for Orks vs Tyranids, another for Tyranids vs Tau/Necrons and the third with Space Marines vs Orks vs Tyranids vs Tau vs Necrons.

>>51436135

Slaanesh are a meme sub-faction.

>>51436073
robot goyman, sicarius, and vulkan are confirmed

>>51436146
>any Roll of 6 results on you shitting on the table

>>51436091
fuck off

>>51436135
because squatting makes people angry

They just make xir MIA and never mention xim again. Its as good as squattng but quiet and without the buthurt

>>51436135
>No slaanesh models released in years
>Slaanesh squatted in AoS
>Ynnead, a god whose role in eldar prophecy is to kill Slaanesh is introduced to the 40k setting
They're squatting Slaanesh, get over it.

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How would a psyker Orkanaut be if it could manifest Warp Lance for free and had a 3++ naturally?

Or would it be too overpowered?

I find the lack of Weirdboy machines and units a bit odd.

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Got any particularly interesting reasons for picking your army tg?

My great-grandfather was a rat of tobruk in WW2, so when I saw the Tallarn regiments they stood out to me over the rest

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>>51436166
>Implying

>>51436210
But Slaanesh is still alive in Sigmar, they're just sitting on it for a campaign. If they were going to kill it, why would they not have already done it?

Ynnead didn't fully form.

>>51436196
Butthurt Slaaneshiboo detected

>>51436215
I think it'd be okay. Orkanauts are prone to exploding, so a 3++ basically just makes them slightly more tanky in that regard. Giving it Psychic pilot for Warp Lance is a nice anti-tank bonus, but it's still BS 2.

It'd be nice, but it's still 50 points more than the Riptide for something that can die in one melta shot.

>>51436210
imagine one day coming home noticing half your collection being dissolved in acid ang getting told to get over it

>>51436240
this. The Ynnead plot didn't work as it should have. If they really succeeded in making Ynnead, I'd be worried.

>>51436161
or dante
or mecha-dorn XD

>>51436251
>>51436257

>>51436190
confirmed?

>>51436237

Just because you'd hit it doesn't make sexual anon.

What's your favorite unit, no matter how good or bad it is?

Why?

>>51436293
nobz

If Slaanesh does get squatted, I'll just use Khorne rules (for my CSM).

The better-at-assault angle still works I guess.

>>51436281
confirmed

>>51436293
I've got a soft spot for Tyranid Warriors.

>>51436293
A guardsman.

>>51436111
>Rowboat Gullyman gets shoved in a dreadnought

Better, Girlman in his stasis throne that can walk ala Kharamazov

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>>51436293

Ratling snipers

Cool models.

>>51436313

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>>51436293
Vanguard Veterans are terrible at doing their only job, but I love my 40k-era Moritat squad built with them.

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>>51436293

It's so bad, but I love it.

>>51436327
gee dubya employee buddy I've known forever

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>>51436293

Not the greatest, but not as bad as some units are.

>>51436240
Yes and Slaanesh now holds the same kind of position in AoS that Isha does in 40k, and she sure plays a significant role in the events of the setting.

>>51436355
The sad thing is that they had so much potential with relatively minor tweaks.

I have only ever had one morkanaut go down and that was because my army composition was shit and it was the only AV I brought.

They aren't enough of a threat to get demolished usually, but they can buff units incredibly but not cheesily so they usually get ignored.

>>51436293
Dreadnoughts and Maulerfiends.

>>51436040
Painting Kastelan Rowbutts

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Oo

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>>51436293
Dreadnoughts are great until they get blown up

>>51436351
>gee dubya employee buddy I've known forever

Unless he works at Nottingham, he knows fuck all.

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>>51436293
The Riptide. My lists have loads of them purely because I love the model so much, it's so versatile.

I love converting them into interesting poses, like kneeling to take a shot, or crouching down in ambush.

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>>51436355
I wish they'd made them look like something that could realistically get into a melee fight with Wraithknights or Knights.

I want my 40k mech fist-fights goddamnit.

>>51436339
>bad

play it as an Armored battlegroup command tank with beast hunter shells!

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>>51436430

That some polish third party Mort? GET IT OUTTA HERE!

>>51436473
shadowsun piloting a ghostkeel when

>>51436460
Yea? He's been pretty trustworthy so far.

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>>51436491
Ork Gargants have always been absurd

>>51436516
>tit-bridge
>dick gun

>>51436507
What else did he tell you about?

>>51436500
if its third party link the website

>>51436538
It's a converted Magnus.

>>51436538

It's a converted Nurgle daemon prince with third party polish dragon wings.

>>51436293
Weirdboy.
I take him in every list and try to get Da Jump with my Nobz in tow.
That or I try to get sanctuary on him and the MFF on the big mek and go to town with a 3++ from shooting.

>>51436576
link to dragons wings

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>>51436491

Well, the one in Dawn of War III has rokkit fists that pull a target toward it.

But realistically, I don't think Morkanauts were ever intended to challenge Knights.

I think they were just made to demolish tanks, infantry and regular opponents while the rest of the Ork army handles the other stuff.

Weird concept in practice, but it's apparently nothing new to Orks.

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New big birds and friends are up

>>51436257
I'd be pretty mad about it, but realistically it's almost certainly going to happen.

But don't worry, I'm a tyranid player, so I'm sure my army is next, or at least going to be ignored forever.

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Make Kairos if you want
Not that you will, because he's shit

>>51436615
>I don't think Morkanauts were ever intended to challenge Knights.

See, I can't honestly see Orks looking at a Knight and NOT wanting to be able to punch it in the face.

Mekboyz need to get on this.

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Is he any good? I don't know Daemons that well

>>51436293
For my Nids: Carnifex
For my SM: Dreadnoughts of all types

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>>51436293
Maleceptor

>>51436636
>because he's shit
What a pleb tier opinion.

Make a formation for your army!

Shrike's Wing

Composition:
Shrike
Vanguard Veteran squad

Restrictions:
Shrike cannot leave the Vanguard Veterans.
Vanguard Veterans must be equipped with 2 Lightning Claws and Jump Packs.
The Vanguard Veteran Squad cannot number more than 5 Veterans.

Special Rules:
Hit & Run
Can declare a Disordered Charge on the first turn, even though the unit Infiltrated.

>>51436625
Believe it or not nids are one of GWs top selling armies. They're never getting squatted.

>>51436625
>tyranid
>ignored

literally wat

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>Just got my first and only riptide to put me at 1850
I've got such a mecha boner right now.

>>51436749
Model a sword on it and charge it at people for those smash/stomp attacks

>>51436749

I hope that mecha boner of yours extends to painting it, scum

>>51436644
The changeling is pretty bad in 40k. Hes alright in AoS tho.

>>51436642

I think the Stompa is what is intended to slap around Knights.

The Orkanauts harken back to the old days of Epic when the Stompa when it was only as threatening, or roughly as threatening rather, as a Land Raider.

Apparently they weren't always Titan sized engines of war, which is weird since I've always been used to them being Titans since I discovered 40k.

>>51436732
they haven't done anything in the plot since third edition

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>>51436775
>AoS

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>>51436749

>>51436781
Since 4th edition you mean.

Also Kelly has taken over writing them again starting with Genestealer Cults. They'll be a force to be reckoned with after the next update. All the shitty things Cruddace did to Tyranids were during the Kirby era, I don't think Rountree is dumb enough to let the same guy fuck them over a third time.

>>51436749
Give it a Burst cannon for full BRRRT

So is it confirmed that the new Start Collecting Tzeentch box doesnt have a formation? Because if so it's such a shit box.

>>51436700
Rubric Phalanx

>Composition
Sorcerer, Exalted Sorcerer, or Ahriman
3-8 units of Rubric Marines

>Restrictions
This is a Thousand Sons formation.

>Special Rules
Implacable Advance: All Rubric Marine units from this formation have Relentless instead of Slow and Purposeful.

Wreathed in Warpflame: If a model from this formation fails an armor save, they may take their Invulnerable save to attempt to negate the wound. This may not be attempted if the Armor Save was rerolled, and the Invulnerable Save may not be rerolled if failed.

***This Formation may be taken as a Core Choice in a Thousand Sons Grand Coven.

>>51436801
>Also Kelly has taken over writing them again starting with Genestealer Cults.
Kelly didnt write the rules for GSC the other Spaceyiff faggot did.

>>51436773
Hell yea. Most my army are ebay rescues, i enjoy fixing and cleaning them up. I fluff it as remnants of cadres that came together aftering getting stranded by the most recent imperial crusades with the mechanicus f-u bomb.This is one of the few im buying new.

106th for Why does the Ghazzy supplement make Mob Rule worse?

>>51436816
He wrote the fluff, and they collaborate together so while Grant is the one to actually finalize the rules I'm sure Kelly has some ideas and input that go into the brainstorming, especially in regards to Tyranids.

Even so Grant did an incredible job with the GSC rules so I'm sure he'll handle it.

>>51436834
>Even so Grant did an incredible job with the GSC rules so I'm sure he'll handle it.
He/they also did WoM so... yeah.

>>51436842
Which is the only book that he's done poorly on.

Also which is more closely related to Tyranids - Genestealer Cults or Thousand Sons? Yeah.

I trust the guy who wrote the Purestrain Genestealers datasheet to give us a good all-nid book.

Anyone have problems with Kobo importing GW epubs? I bought the Chaos Daemons Incursion ebook, but I can't get the damn thing onto Kobo. It gives an error message about failing to Import.

Every other Android eReader that I've tried can't handle the text-overlaid-on-images pages.

>>51436869
>buying epubs

>>51436863
Just saying Anon.

>>51436801

>betting on the beneficence of GW

hope that works out for you.

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>>51436869
>I bought

>>51436881
Worst-case scenario it's still better than the shit we've got with Cruddace, I'll take my chances. I feel like TS was a fluke - hell in the very same book there are new updates for Tzeentch Daemons which are amazing too.

>>51436916
>Tzeentch Daemons which are amazing too

Is that what you call game-breaking nowadays?

>>51436700
Legion's Immortals

Composition:
1 Chaos Lord
1 Chaos Sorcerer
0-1 Unit of Chosen
0-1 Units of Chaos Terminators

Restrictions:
Both ICs must be attached to another unit in the formation and cannot leave it. The Chaos Lord and Sorcerer may not take a Bike, Jump Pack, or Steed. All models must take VotLW.

Special Rules:
Practiced Killers: All characters in the formation have the Preferred Enemy special rule.
Long Lived: All models in the formation have one additional wound.

Probably needs some sort of tax unit added to it or an extra restriction on top of it.

>>51436430
source?

>>51436781
That's because all they can do is eat things.

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>>51436939

How long before the hack frauds at GW give us Nids with tits

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>>51436491
>mfw even though the destruction of one Imperial Knight is a massive loss of material, training, history, and technology, the complete destruction of the Wraithknight is an infinitely more horrific loss for the Eldar because of how insanely rare and valuable they are, given that they require Eldar twins to operate

>>51436040
Filling in the gaps and cleaning the flash on a Fighta Bomba.

>>51436955

A knight can be salvaged, and a new pilot to take the place of the one lost. Eldar twins are probably irreplaceable.

>>51436801
50/50 on the doubling down and just making nids even worse with worse lore.

Is the extra +1 WS/BS and the re-roll on the damage table worth picking a Venerable Dreadnought over a regular or Ironclad one?

How powerful would a shard of the Void Dragon be were it made into a Lord of War?

Likewise, is it ever stated how it's bound on Mars if it is indeed the Void Dragon that resides on martian soil?

And how did the destruction caused during the Heresy not unleash it on the Galaxy once more?

>>51436040
finishing up a small marine squad

>>51436955
>>51436971
Also one less machine to gather spirit stones

>>51436700
Marshall's Household

Captain/Helbrecht
Emperor's Champion
Chaplain/Grimaldus
1-5 of the following units in any combination: Terminators, Assault Terminators, Centurions, Assault Centurions, Vanguard or Sternguard
0-3 Dreadnoughts

Marshall's Castellan: Captain/Helbrecht must be the warlord. Choose one Black Templar Sword Brethren/Veteran Sergeant in your army, that model gains +1W and shares the same Warlord trait as the Captain/Helbrecht, he does not grant Slay the Warlord and may use the trait even if its One Use and already used by the Warlord.

Veteran Tactics: All units in this formation gain one of the following special rules for the rest of the game: Rampage, Outflank, Tank Hunters.

Oath to Terra: The Emperor's Champion must choose one of the following vows, its effects affect all friendly Black Templar units in the army

Accept Any Challenge: Units that have a character or IC in it gain Preferred Enemy
Uphold the Honour of the Emperor: Stubborn and FNP when in assault, if a unit already has FNP then its +1 to that FNP roll.
Suffer not the Unclean to Live!: Re-roll failed Sweeping Advances and add a +d6'' to consolidation moves
Abhor the Witch, Destroy the Witch!: +1 to Deny the Witch rolls, all BT units gain scout if the enemy has any psyker in its roster

All units must be in a transport.

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>>51436293
Imperial Knight

I know it's good, but the milisecond I heard they were coming out I called my FLGS and preordered one. I didn't care what the rules would be; I wanted a giant stompy robot no matter what.

Speaking of, heres my WIP of a plastic Acheron conversion.

>>51436073
Tyranids get dibs on next book, i have an uncle who works at gw

>>51436040

Trying to clean up a failcast Thunder Warrior. Jesus Christ it's a fucking mess.

>>51436980
Yes, give it a gun and a fist and you'll be killy.
An ironclad dreadnought will perform the same in assault because the venerable will probably be hitting your opponent on a 3+ instead of a 4+

>>51436980
Ironclads are more assault based and have heavier front armor, so they should be considered a bit separately.

The venerable upgrade is basically dependent on how many dreadnoughts you're running and what weapons they have. For something with a Lascannon, missiles, or something more likely to miss due to being single shots, Venerable can be a nice bonus. The re-rolls on damage are also good if you're loading up more upgrades on it.

If you're using Assault cannons or trying to run it more cheaply, it's better to skip on that and just run with WS 4.

>>51437055
>>51437056
Alright, probably gonna run my Dreadnought as a Venerable then. Has a fist and Autocannon, should make for a decent mid-range shooting platform and transport breaker.

>>51436615
>>51436642
The morkanauts 280 with the force field. Knights are 300-400ish points and win every day of the week.
They released them at the same time and campain supplement.
All the nauts really need is superheavy and firing points and itd be fine

>>51436920
Horribly overpowered is better than horribly underpowered.

If they buff every Codex to top tier the game is balanced and fun. If they nerf every Codex to bottom tier the game is balanced but boring.

>>51436136
If youre going to mass flyers generally massing cheap dakkajets is one of the better options.

Some orks like burna bombas too, but the idea is to max out on dakkajets so you have an easier time swarming better flyers and keeping air superiority.

>>51436955
That Knight wasn't even destroyed outright, the pilot was probably fine and the Mechanicus can probably weld it back together, it's not like it's a Titan, they can repair them pretty easily.

>>51436302
Seconded

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NEVER FORGET

>>51437095
I honestly see Gorkanauts more akin to Leviathan Dreadnoughts, both in size and purpose. Obviously not in terms of power, but that'd be like comparing a scooter with a motocross.

>>51436040
painting yet more deathwatch veterans - getting a bit burnt out and wanting to work on some scions for a break.

>>51436293

The humble Rhino.

Funnest and most versatile 35 points you'll ever spend.

>>51437095
Yeah, it's more the actual design I don't like. It looks fine for something that just spits out rounds and occassionally smashes a tank, but it doesn't look agile enough to actually fight something of comparable size.

>>51436040
Started working on my batch of Skittle Vanguard earlier today. Wanted to get the backpacks done first and did those in the afternoon which burnt me out so badly that I'll continue tomorrow.

Why can't backpacks ever be interesting to paint? They're always boring as fuck and I end up rushing them to get done.

>>51436040
Some heavily armed dune buggies to be counts-as Landspeeders in a Sisters-themed Castellans army.

>>51437196
Add little bits and bobs for individuality.

Maybe that wouldn't fly with Skits, though. Still, canteen bits and that kind of thing = more interesting

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Feedback Appreciated.
Iron Within, Iron Without!

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>>51436293
Incubi and Rubric Marines.

Also pretty much the entire Thousand Sons and Dark Eldar range. I love the models and lore for them and they're my favorite factions, even if they are awful armies.

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Am I the only one who thinks that the Guard Codex is in really bad need of an update?

>>51437095
>All the nauts really need is superheavy and firing points and itd be fine
and assault vehicle

>>51436700

Already did. I got on faeit.

Fury of Angels

Celestians + Seraphim
Seraphim DS without scatter on celestians and can assault with them

Angelic Host
2-5 Seraphim
Seraphim get +1 SOF and friendlies within 12″ reroll SOF

Forward Crusade
3-6 Dominions
Half infiltrate on foot, other half outflank in immolator and may choose to come in on the side closest to one of the other squads

Wrath Squadron
3-6 Retributers
AoF also grants Relentless. Flamers gain torrent

The Penitent Host
2-6 Repentia
4+ FNP and AoF grabts fleet and allows a charge from anywhere

Hammer of Wrath
2 Exorcists
Roll 2d6 pick highest, apply to both

Purge Squadron
3-6 Immolators with same weapon
Squadron
Flamers get +1S
HB get Rending
MM get tank Hunter

Emperors Hate – Core
Canoness
Command Squad
Celestian Squad
Battle Sisters
Retributers
Must take immolator
Grants ObSec and double AoF

Crusade of Daughters – Core
20 Battle Sisters
May take 5 special and 5 heavy weapons
AoF – pick Doms or Rets AoF

Hymns of War – Decurion
Reroll WL
No AoF test
Stubborn

>>51437140
>Bad players struggle vs orks
>Gw overly hard on orks

Coincidence? You decide /tg/

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>>51436293
I fucking love Nobz. I feel that they have the most character of any model in the entire GW range.

>>51437265
No, it could use some new toys.

As long as they don't touch my wyverns.

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>>51436293
I loved him in 5th edition and frequently brought him. I still like to take him even now. His lore is great, his model is neat, and I love his rules so much. I use a count as model, since he looks out of place in my otherwise Cadian army, but I still use his rules. For some reason they increased his point cost by 35 and made him worse than in 5th.

He's overcosted, but it's nice having buffs to my Guard blobs and he does pretty well when punching non-melee units. I wish he was cheaper, and I wish Nork was cheaper too. I also wish Straken would unlock the ability for the rest of the squad to get Power Weapons or something.

Next in line, I would say Bullgryns are units I love. I always want to take them, but they are such a point sink I can't. I can sort of reason Straken because he buffs the army, but Bullgryn don't really do anything other than slowly die. I should bring them more to see what I can really do with them.

>>51436644
He's not too great simply because his gimmick (from my understanding) is that he copies the statline of whatever your fighting. It has potential, but right now it's poorly executed because he doesn't copy weapons so he doesn't have AP.

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>>51436293
Seraphims.

Bulwark of Faith

This formation consists of 2-3 units of Battle Sisters; 1-2 units of Celestians; 0-2 units of Retributors; and 0-3 Exorcists. It may also include attached Independent Characters or Imperial Preachers to the above units; and a Celestain Command Squad may be substituted for one of the Celestian squads

All units in this formation have Counter-Charge and _In God We Trust_ - Start of friendly turn, if this unit succeeds in an Act of Faith, it gains +1 to its Shield of Faith invulnerable save until the start of its next turn.

Additionally, if these units fire overwatch with any flame weapons, their flame weapons inflict 1d6 hits each rather than 1d3.

>>51436636
> not wanting all of the new and fresh change powers including a Stength D shot
> not wanting complete control over the warpstorm with the daemon decurion and Kairos

c'mon man

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>>51436293

Wyches.

They're so bad, and I've always wanted to run a proper wych cult. However, instead of Deldar making them playable, I'm forced into Superfriends.

>>51437321

Damn it, was supposed to link to

>>51436700

but it seems i cannot computer tonight.

>>51437324
Should just run them as Corsair Malevolents but fluffed as wyches

>Daemons, Nids, Tau, and IG all engaging in a four-way battle at 1000pts each

Who will be the winner?

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Does the imperium make choo-choos?

>>51437364
Daemons.

>>51437364
Tau or Guard. It depends where the shattered remains of Daemon and Nid armies hits.

>>51436700
Forward Clearing Cadre (292 pts base)

>Composition
2 units of Tetra Scout Speeders
3 units of Pathfinder Teams
1 unit of XV25 Stealth Battlesuits

>Restrictions
Units from this formation cannot be placed in Reserves

>Special Rules
Focused Markerlight Beam: Markerlight counters placed by any of this Formation's units are not removed until they are used.

LZ Marked: Any Tau Empire models that choose to Deep Strike within 6" of a unit with a markerlight counter on it do not scatter.

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>>51437374

>>51436040

And I'm done - 165 posts later, one Crimson Hunter Exarch complete.

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>>51437404

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>>51437359

I get autistically upset whenever someone mentions I should just use Corsairs. It makes me unreasonably mad, and I have no idea why. Probably because I don't want to have to explain to people that I'm actually using some obscure FW book for better rules.

>mfw

>>51437382
Lol.

By turn 3 Daemons will outnumber the others combined.

>>51436700
> Orkimedes' Garage
> 4 units of boyz, all must have 10 boyz with one upgraded to nob, and must take a trukk as dedicated transport.
> 2 units of Nobz, must number 5 or greater and must take either a battlewagon or trukk as DT.
> 2 big meks
> 1 warboss

> Da best mek out dere:
All vehicles ignore glancing hits on a 4+ and make penetrating hits glancing (which cannot be further ignored) on a 5+. Additionally, all rolls on the vehicle damage table against such vehicles subtract one from the result. All battlewagons upgraded with the killkannon in this formation treat the killkannon as if it were Primary Weapon(1) and may add one strength to the blast but roll on the Gets Hot! table if they do.

> Orkimedes' Representativs
Both of the big meks gain +1 W, T and can repair vehicles on a 4+. If they take a Shokk attack gun, they may add or subtract 1 to the strength of the gun whilst rolling on the table for strength. If they take a Kustom Force Field, all invuln saves of 1 can be rerolled.

> Meks in tranin
All orks in this formation may buy the 'eavy armour upgrade for half of the normal cost.
The nobz can additionally buy combi weapons and kustom mega weapons (excluding the kannon) for no additional cost. Boyz can take 2 heavy weapons at a squad size of 10.

Does anyone have Becoming? It's a short story about an Imperial Knight house, that just came out recently. Didn't' see it in the mega

>>51437451
I know it sucks that DE are bad. I was there. I had 1850 DE that were just flat worse than corsairs so I converted them. Rather than suffer they became space pirates instead of pain pirates.

>>51437244
Why two man oblits uNits? They will take 1 casualty and run. Why not 6 single oblits units? Defence line is OK in a combined arms detachment But for a grand company it's useless as they cant go to ground when fearless. So if you run a grand company take a bunker or munitorum crates or something with a few barricade upgrades.

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Not pictured: Every squad has taken Tallarn rules giving reroll 1's to hit in the shooting phase and move through cover.

How does it look tg

>>51437244
Also what's up with the single helbrute? Better take 3 as a mayhem pack (free deep strike and IWND and roll on the crazed table every turn) or don't bother taking them. Daemon prince looks nice but also consider a Tzeentch prince - he gets a 2+ re-rollable save if you give him fleshmetal rather than power armour.

Anyone know if there is an archive of the old old white dwarf magazines?

>>51437042

Get out of here Nusquam this isn't the 30k general!

I kind of want to take Cawl and a Baronial Court to give a Crusader the Quantum Annihilator or increase the Ionic Flare Shield of an Atrapos to 3++.

Maybe Celestine to give a Knight a 360 4++...

>>51436702
THEN WHY DO THEY ALWAYS GET SUCH SHITTY BOOKS. RRREEEEEEEE.

>>51437582
only one deathstrike missile?

>>51437622
Haha you caught me, but it was relevant and what I was working on at that very second(I forgot to reply to the "What are you working on?" post too). I mean you can use them in 40k as well.

>>51437042

Spindly and disgusting.

>>51437640
Because they put Crud in charge once, realized it was a mistake, 6e update time came around but corporate shakeup due to Chapterhouse caused massive fuckery in the studio so they just told Crud to phone in a copypaste of the last book with some new FMCs and removing everything they didn't have models for.

Now that we have stable Rountree-era GW the next nid update will fix this garbage.

>>51437654
Yes it is, it's going to be a frankenstien-tubes-everywhere-horror-show when it's done. I considered trying to make a good clean conversion but then I thought "First try isn't going to be pretty so I'll learn as I go and then make it an undead/haunted/zombie/horror/ect knight that my Church Warden raised from the dead.

>>51437582
Yo Fallow your dreams! Death Strike is amazing

Are you going to use a FW helm for that knight or one of the plastic ones?

I'm beginning to find that the type of helmet you pick for a knight really defines its end appearance

>>51437582
There are rules for IG Regiments?

>>51436073
>the tau finally become the protagonists and save everyone a golden light in the darkness
Screen cap this, calling it now, PRAISE THE GREATER GOOD!

>>51437598
What's a good build for a Tzeentch Prince? I was actually considering replacing the Nurgle Prince anyways, since I want WYSIWYG, but The Black Mace seems like a pain to model.

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>>51436293
ROUGH RIDERS. I don't even fucking care how shitty they are, they're made of pure awesome. Who doesn't like the anachronism of dudes in Plate Armour making GLORIOUS CAVALRY CHARGES armed with Lances tipped with fucking C4.

>>51437544

DE are playable, though. The interesting units are bad. That's the problem. The only thing playable out of a wych cult are Reavers, and arguably a Succubus. Hellions? Shit. Wyches? Shit. Bloodbrides? Shit. Beastmasters have an argument I suppose, though idk if they count.

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>>51437690
I converted one

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>>51436125
>implying Sangüinius isn't the purest
>mfw
Leave and never come back.

>>51437709
It's gonna be the Ultrasmurf book, we know Guilliman is coming.

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>>51436491
Get a LEVIATHAN DREADNOUGHT. They can and absolutely fucking do WRECK Superheavies and Gargantuans on the charge.

I once had a Leviathan Dread survive rounds straight of an apocalypse game, where the Leviathan scored 2 Superheavy kills, and 6 tank kills(thanks to good Disorganized charges with large bases onto multiple tanks).

The fucker VAPORIZED everything he stared at.

>>51436190
>sicarius
Who?

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How bad is this list?

Tell me Straight

Whats a good way to keep chains in place and make it look like the ends are attached onto a model? Should i make a small greenstuff divet for them to slide into?

>>51437727
DE would probably be mid-tier if they had better internal balance. You can't really say 'oh, I'll make a gladiator themed army' and pick up wyches and beastmasters and hellions, or make one focused on Homunculi.

It basically boils down to Kabalites in Raiders no matter what you're trying to do.

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>>51437676
>Now that we have stable Rountree-era GW the next nid update will fix this garbage.

You and me both brotha

>Xenos fist bump

Praise Saint Duncan, may he deliver us from despair.

https://twitter.com/whtv_dunc/status/825126625058680837

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>>51437742
Knight > Marysuenought

Purely because it's got a human pilot rather than a KNONOFEEAH HERO #1463247

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>>51437758

Speaking of raiders, Corsairs don't get them, which is another reason I am totally uninterested. There really isn't anything like this available to Corsairs.

>>51437735
>Guilliman
>not blue
It's obviously tau their golden destiny as the Galaxy supreme rulers is finally coming!

>>51437265
personally, I'm pretty happy with it except for two bits of gear:

Shotguns & Power Swords

Shotguns, admittedly only available to veterans are... not worth it. Even though they're free. Why offer an option is you should never ever take it?

As for power swords - they're the aesthetic epitome of the imperial guard officer. And they're shit attached to a human.

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>>51437735
Guilliman has never been depicted in gold, even when he was basically the Emperor 2.0 of Ultramar. He's blue to the bone.

Dorn and Sanguinius were the only two that regularly rock golden armour.

Personally I'm betting on the Custodes. They models already exist, all they'd need is some Constantin Valdor proxy leading some astartes triumvirate and you've got the required spess muhreen presence every 40k event has to have.

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>>51437265
Only if they're going to release new non-Cadian guard models.

>>51437928
They didn't say the entire fucking thing was going to be gold, and Ultramarine armour is almost equal parts gold as it is blue when it comes to the higher-ups like Calgar and his Honour Guard. Look at the 4th ed Space Marines Codex cover.

And again we know FOR A FACT that Guilliman is coming at some point this year.

>>51437953
>FOR A FACT

Sauce?

>>51437265
special characters
lumbering behemoth
better shotguns
improved Stormtroopers (especially their fucking kits, what the fuck is this mono-pose bullshit for 35$)
new kits that actually include fucking special weapons
as long as I can spam 3 point conscripts I will be happy

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>>51437953
Still definately more blue than gold.

>>51438004
>improved Stormtroopers

Not going to happen, they only just released Scions.

>>51437863

Why am I so unsurprised that the anti-marinefag knows nothing of the lore.

You don't want to be put in a Dreadnought, let alone a Leviathan Dreadnought.

>>51438024
and they're still bad
they're too expensive and don't do enough, Vets are cheaper and don't take up an elite slot.
but seriously their fucking kit, the models are cool looking, but there are only like 5 fucking poses.

>>51438038
what's the difference between the two dreads?

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>>51437265
I want to see the artillery diversified a bit. In the fluff basilisks have a myriad of rounds, I'd like that to be represented at least somewhat crunch-wise. Hydras should also have interceptor.
Aside from that, I'd like to see a general point reduction for a lot of things, specifically power weapons and some of the Leman Russ variants.
Having some more abhumans would be nice, too, but I doubt it will happen.

>>51436700
Rapid Response Wing
Auxiliary for a Dawnblade Contingent

Composition
1 units of Tetras
1 units of XV9s
2 units of Crisis suits

Restrictions:
Crisis Suits must take Vectored Retro Thrusters

Special Rules:
Crisis Suits and XV9s deep strike on the first turn and don't scatter as long as the location where they are deep striking is within line of sight of the Tetras in this formation.

Units in this formation get +2 to their Initiative when attempting to Hit and Run.

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Ok, hopefully the revisions improved things.

>>51437990
Atia, same one who leaked Magnus, new plastic LoC, and all that other shit that turned out 100% true recently.

>>51438016
Which doesn't matter. The article didn't say "it's going to be a figure in entirely gold armour hurrr" it said "I want to add some more gold and brightness" which can easily be done on an Ultrasmurf.

>>51438051

The Leviathan is extremely difficult to pilot due to its complexity, it puts an extreme mental strain on the occupants, and all documented pilots so far have eventually gone insane.

Regular Dreadnoughts are just cold and uncomfortable.

>>51438038
How is anything I said contrary to dreadnought fluff?

They're a critically injured muhreen crammed into a robot/life-support hybrid.

>>51438083

The same one who backed down from plastic sisters, right?

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>>51436073
>Golden
>imperium
>primarchs returning
>webway
>still alive
The Khan is back!

>>51438091
You mean the same one who's been saying "February" since fucking October and there are still rumours coming in from other sources now that end of February will be a plastic Sisters infantry box?

And we just got a plastic Celestine?

>>51438100

Iirc, she backpedaled from "soon" to "eventually"

>>51438089

You're comparing a Gundam to a Penitent Engine made from Hellraiser cubes and calling the Penitent Engine a Mary Sue.

>>51438111
It probably got pushed back then due to other releases. Either way she was right about the plastic Lord of Change and technically Celestine qualifies as a plastic SoB release as well.

I'm not saying it's 100% guaranteed that the next Gathering Storm book after Eldar is going to have Guilliman, but it's looking pretty likely, and if he isn't released then he will be soon enough.

>>51437863
>>51438089
Knight nobles are even bigger sues than marines you dipshit. They're literally all high rankers and there are even less of them than marines. They're basically wannabe titans without having the actual commitment and sharing of piloting.

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>Imperium is going to get 2 Triumvirates
>meanwhile the guy behind the entire black crusade still has a 20 year old model

>>51438127
>a Penitent Engine made from Hellraiser cubes

So it's edgy. Doesn't mean it's not a Mary Sue.

>>51438140
I don't think you understand what a Mary Sue is. No matter how rich and privileged Knights are they're still just humans, not crazy augmented DEFENDERS OF HUMANITY super-spartan posthumans with infinite plot armour.

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>>51438100
>plastic Sisters infantry box

plz be true

>>51438161
>>51438157
>calling marines mary sues in 2017

Who doesn't know the definition of Mary Sue again?

>>51438156
Abaddon doesn't deserve a new model until he cuts his hair. That topknot is absurd.

>>51437928
> Artist depicting a highly-stylized depiction of a female space marine captain
> Literally every imaginable aspect of the ultramarine's style, down to the iconography, cape trimings, alt-trim schemes, and even laurel wreathes all included.
> Mk5 Legs with a deathwatch silver Mk6 shoulderpad indicating former deathwatch membership
> Modified Mk6 torso with expanded gorget, and extra plates molded in the shape of abdominals
> Dat halo
Bruh, I like the drawing. Despite it being a female space marine, it looks pretty cool. And the attention to detail is astounding.

>>51438156
>pony tail on a dude
he doesn't deserve a plastic model

>>51438161
>super speshul noble snowflakes piloting giant god machines
>vs. random augmented nameless marine who died on cadia

>>51438184
Knights are defeated and killed all the time.

Ultramarines have a literally impossible track record of victory in situations they should have been slaughtered because muh spiritual liege writers.

>>51438140
They're not fucking bio-engineered heroes who are functionally incapable of fear and exist solely for TEH HEROISM.

>They're basically wannabe titans without having the actual commitment

Scions getting lobotomised the first time they try to bond with their mount is pretty common and they have to train essentially from birth in order to pilot the things. I'd say thats commitment.

>there are even less of them than marines

Pretty sure there are more Knight worlds than Marine Chapters according to the fluff.

>>51438137

Considering that I ordered Veridyan and a pair of immolators from my LGS as soon as they were available, and I still haven't gotten them, I highly doubt GW has anything prepared for Sisters.

GW so laughably underestimated the want for a new SoB, that they still can't keep up with the demand. I have no doubt that they might start moving forward with plastics for them, but you can't honestly believe that they have anything remotely planned for February.

>>51438201
Ultrasues =/= All Space Marines

>>51438206
>fully confirmed plastics in february
>won't be released until december
i can see it now

>>51438220
Sorry I thought that's what we were talking about.

Either way, Knights definitely aren't sues. They get fucking rekt more often than not in the fluff.

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So due to shenanigans, I'm going to be going against 2 warhounds and a warlord that my buddy has as CSM/R&H/Daemons. Anons I need some serious help figuring out how to kill them. I can go unbound and will probably have more points as well.

>calling dreads Sue just because they're marines

Ho boy what is this newfag central? Dreadnoughts are the LEAST sue marines because they were shit enough to get assblasted to death and then shoved in a refrigerator on legs. Name ONE fucking Dreadnought that's a Sue. The closest, since named Dreadnoughts barely even exist, is Brey'arth who isn't Sue at all, and Bjorn, who has the yiff thing and fucking up Magnus going for him, but even then, he's literally the nobody whelp from the era of heroes.

If you're going to say random nobody fucking marines are Sue, you might as well say Inquisitors are all Sues. Aspect Warriors are all sues. Exarchs, Autarchs, are Sues. Militarum Tempestus are Sues. IG vets are Sues for living so long and being better than all the other IG. Fucking Guardsmen themselves are Sues for surviving in battles unaugmented, and being better than PDF.

>>51438271
Want to tell us what the hell you have?

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>>51438184
>super speshul noble snowflakes

Literally just a member of a noble family who survived bonding with a semi-sentient war machine. Not even a 'god machine', they're not Titans, the Mechanicus considers them basically on a par with the rarer kinds of super heavy tanks.

They're not fucking marines with the whole 'I survived a trial that would test a catachan at the age of 8, then 15 years of the most over-the-top training GW writers could imagine, followed by magic super-serum treatment which kills 50% of those who take it and then 200 years of non-stop desperate last stands before being squished into a giant robot made of relic super-technology SO I COULD SERVE EVEN IN DEATH' bollocks.

Astartes are the definition of sues. Dreadnoughts are double-sues because they didn't even have the decency to die in their actual HEROIC LAST STAND like a trillion regular guardsmen do every day.

Knights are just that, knights. They're human, flawed Bretonnian questing knights to the incorruptable immortal super-heroes of the Sigmarines.

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>>51438040
>Cool looking
If you like generic scifi fantasy armor.

>>51438302
I wish there were smaller knight-like frames. Maybe a little bigger than Dreadnoughts/around Dreadknight height.

And more poseable legs.

Those are really the two things that keep me from liking knights.

>the only trait that defines a Mary Sue is competency/success
Please anons, what will it take to make you stop believing this?

>>51436015
The Flock to the Front Line rule that the Castellans of the Imperium possess fits for the Imperial Guard but doesn't really fit for Space Marines, Inquisition or Sisters of Battle. What should it be replaced with for units from those Codexes?

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Why the fuck do Ultramarines not have a supplement, or better yet a codex? They didn't even get anything in angels of death for Christ's sake.

>hurr durr codex space marines is there codex!

no, not even close

>but ultras are boring mary sues

fuck you

If they're the poster boy faction then we should have a codex, plain and simple.

>>51438363
t. Calgar

You almost had me fooled thinking you were an unbiased observer there Marneus, but when you switched to saying "we" at the last moment I saw through your disguise.

>>51438363
Ultras ARE boring Mary Sues. Eat shit.

>>51438271

>>51438295
Good point.

Own:
1 Lord of Skulls or Kytan Daemon Engine, can be either due to magnets and rods

Juggerlord
3 Daemon Princes
Herald of Tzeentch on disc
Herald of Khorne on juggernaught
Bloodthirster
2 power armor lords/sorcs
2 terminator lords/sorcs
1 Winged lord/sorc

20 terminators
5 las or autocannon havocs
6 Rapier laser destroyers
6 IG heavy weapons teams
2 Leman Ruses
33 pink horrors
6 Screamers
Maulerfiend/Forgefiend
2 Defilers
1 Helbrute
1 Soulgrinder
20 CSMs
1 Heldrake
6 Spawn
60-80 cultists/renegades in various forms of built
7 Hounds of Khorne
3 Obliterators
10 Rubric Marines + aspiring sorceror
5 Warp talons
5 raptors
1 Contemptor Dread

2 rhinos
1 chimera

Void Sheild Generator
Aegis Defense Line
Bastion

>>51436293
Crisis suits, I have 14 of them and want more. That's a large part why I run farsight enclave

>>51438363
because codex: space marines is the codex astartes and you are literally the most vanilla chapter out there (except that one IF successor that tries to out-vanilla you).

There is nothing that could be added to "Codex: Ultramarines" that wouldn't also go in the vanilla marine book, because Ultramarines only play by the book.

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>>51438363
Why the fuck do Evil Suns not have a supplement, or better yet a codex? They didn't even get anything in WAAAGH! Ghazghkull for Christ's sake.

>hurr durr codex orks is there codex!

no, not even close

>but evil suns are boring speed freeks

fuck you

If they're the poster boy ork klan then we should have a codex, plain and simple

>>51438363

Codex: Space Marines was called Codex: Ultramarines in 2E. It IS the Ultramarine Codex. C:SM is the Codex Astartes.

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>>51436293
i fucking love hellbrutes even if they are underpowered dreadnaughts, i love to use the mayhem pack with these bad boys, and im making a 4th one to use it on my alpha legion army, im trying to make a sort of alpha legion puppet soviet uprising theme with my cultists, im thinking on making a red banner with a yellow star on it, if you have any more tips for my i would appreciate it

>>51438414
Your best option is trying to rush everything at him to as fast as possible as a huge distraction so you can get the Maulerfiend and the Kytan into combat with one titan at a time. That's the only chance you have, and it is a very slim one.

I would not recommend playing against that with what you have. You wouldn't even be able to soft-counter it.

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>>51436111
>teams up with some blood angels guy and grey knights to kill Slaanesh or something.

They pretty much confirmed a new grey knight release

>>51438433
>There is nothing that could be added to "Codex: Ultramarines" that wouldn't also go in the vanilla marine book
What about human auxiliary troops from Ultramar? There's a whole bunch of Ultramarine-loyal feudal planets there. It'd tie into the Roman influences they have and make an Ultramarine army a bit more interesting than a standard MEQ army.

>>51437825
Fuck, what song is that? I can't remember the name and it's driving me crazy.

>>51438467
literally

>guard allies
>scion allies
>convert the shit out of them

there you fucking go

you can even run Alphic Hydras if you want

>>51436700

Ordo Psykana Assault Force

COMPOSITION:
2-4 Assault Squads
1-2 Vanguard Veterans
3-7 Librarians

RESTRICTIONS:
- All models that can be equipped with Jump Packs must do so.

- All Squads must be taken with their maximum number of models.

- The number of Librarians taken must correspond to the overall number of squads taken.

- Librarians must be attached singularly to each squad taken, and may never leave it.

- Librarians attached to squads of Vanguard Veterans must be upgraded to Mastery Level 2. These Librarians may roll on any applicable tree available to them normally.

- Librarians attached to squads of Assault Marines cannot be upgraded past Mastery Level 1, and can only roll on Pyromancy, Biomancy or the Librarius disciplines.

SPECIAL RULES:
- Any squad within this formation may pay a warp charge at the beginning of your first turn. (Forfeiting one of their usual warp charges that they would normally recieve in the Psychic Phase.) If they do so, the squad may enter from Deep Strike on your first turn. The squad does not scatter when using the Deep Strike rule.

- Squads using the Deep Strike rule can charge on the turn they arrive.

- Librarians in this formation harness warp charges on a 2+ on the turn they arrive. However, they will also suffer Perils of the Warp on any doubles on the turn they arrive.

- All squads gain the Adamantium Will special rule.

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If and when I go up to 1250, which one would be better?
>have 2 squads of venom-mounted trueborn flying around
>have 1 squad of venom mounted trueborn, but give the other kabalites twin-linked splinter rifles and the dark lances the trueborn would have had, and deck out the rest of my army

>>51438329
Karskins looked better, this is true
and were cheaper

>>51438467
That should be some kind of Warriors of Ultramar supplement which would mix Ultramarines, IG, AdMech, Deathwatch and ultra successor Chapters in a series of big superfriends Detachments/Formations like BTs got in Fall of Cadia.

>>51438475
The song's name is Run Away, it's Moldova's 2010 Eurovision entry, and also a meme.

>>51437707
Not really but forgeworld put out a thing for tallarn. 20 points and you get reroll 1's and move through cover, but can't take carapace

>>51437645
I can only fit 1, budget is real tight

>>51437645
I sure will senpai

What do i do for anti-air as Deldar?

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>>51438441
>>51438433

Fuck you,Ultras have their own empire, personal armies, and do deviate from the codex when needed(tyrannic war veterans for example).

Give the Ultras a codex, codex space marines is for lesser, unimportant chapters

>>51438463
Well there you go, new thing is Triumverate of marines, letting you use a bunch of the random space marine books together.

>>51438363
either newfag or 10/10 troll

>>51438459
Figured as much. Thanks

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>>51438435
Nuffin boring bout dis boss

>>51438538
this, let's not reply to him anymore

>>51438540
Yeah. Really the only thing that can counter titans in 40k is other titans or massed superheavies/melta. They're not even fun to fight outside of Epic.

>>51438520
I mean... you could just use that same detachment. Nothing's stopping you and it'd be basically exactly what you want.

>>51436473
Subtle.

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>>51438363

They hate us cuz they aint us

>>51438363
the space marine codex IS ultramarines

what are you meant to do for a codex compliant chapter for special rules?

>>51436040
deldar

>>51438571
Yeah, I'll probably do exactly that. I'm already painting my Skitarii in cross-sectioned red/blue heraldry as they hail from the AdMech research world of Konor in the Ultramar system.

>>51438489

Whoops, typo. That 3-7 is meant to be a 3-6.

>>51436473
8/10, bretty gud

Whats a fun army that I can run the least amount of models with? No marines pls

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>>51436040
just finished my kitbashed female archon for my army, and debating how to go up to 1250 from 1000.

>>51438630
Imperial Guard

>>51438630
>fun
>No marines

pick one

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>>51438630
Chaos Daemons.

>>51438630
Farsight Enclaves suit list

>>51438645
I'd rather try a non-imperium army

>>51438647
whats your suggestion then?

>>51438652
lul

>>51438658
I said fun, not waac

>>51438652
That needs over9000 models for summons, though.

>>51438667
>no imperium
>no muhreens
>but not waac
you're really limiting yourself here

>>51438667
Assasssins

>>51438642
thin your paints

>>51438682
I dont give a shit if its imperium or not, I'm just tired of painting mareems and dont wanna be an unfun faggot to my game buddies

>>51438667
>I said fun, not waac
Does the very mention of Tau trigger a kneejerk reaction or something?

WAAC is a mentality, not a gauge of powerlevel. It's every bit as possible for a Tyranid player to be WAAC as it is for an Eldar player to be laid-back and fair.

>>51438706
running nothing but the tau version of eldar bikes triggers the shit outta me

>>51437709
As a Tau player I would laugh my ASS off at the butthurt if that happened.

>>51438694
Skitarii maybe?

>>51437709
>>51438694
Tau are not a golden light

They are blue soul-less fish people that arent gold in any shape manner or form

>>51438715
what are you talking about

farsight enclaves suit list is 90% crisis suits

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>>51438694

Imperial Knight Army

>>51438694
Pick Orks. Everyone likes beating up Orks.

>>51438725
How could I do this?

>>51438734
>lemme hit you with a ton of this stronger than normal shit, oh btw, I can jump around up to 12" in assault so good luck catching me

>>51437686
sure will senpai

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>>51438747

>>lemme hit you with a ton of this stronger than normal shit, oh btw, I can jump around up to 12" in assault so good luck catching me

Jesus if you cant deal with crisis suit kys

>>51438747
>lemme hit you with a ton of this stronger than normal shit

crisis suits are literally MEQ

i don't know what version of 40k you've been playing

>>51438156
Shut the fuck up chaos fag your getting Mortarion. GAWD ALMIGHTY! You got more models than the entire fucking IoM and Space Marines in the last year and more books and your STILL BITCHING. GO fuck yourself up the ass with a spikey chaos infected dildo so hard it goes up and out your throat. Seriously.

That or your the worlds best troll and know just how sterotypical chaos player whing faggotry is. There is a reason the old CEO didn't listen to the chaos fans much and its because they whine like mother fuckers.

Go eat a rotten plague marines asshole and wash it down with a bottle of piss.

>>51438770
>W2
>jetpack
>multiple special weapons
>MEQ

MEQ is T4 3+ WOUND ONE

>>51438768
>>51438770
tau players here must be cheating niggers cause I can never keep a knight past turn 1

>>51438793
Against Crisis Suits?
Which normally deep strike?
On Turn 2?

>>51438694
Play Eldar, don't run Wraiths, Scatbikes or Warp Spiders.

>>51438790
yeah and they cost almost twice as much as a marine

>>51438800
but how could I run the least amounts of models possible?

>>51438805
twice as much as a marine, for 2 wounds, and multiple special weapon options and the ability to fire 2 different weapons a turn

>>51438630
Harlequins. Full armies with less than 50 models.

>>51438815
>but how could I run the least amounts of models possible?
>>51438737

faggot

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>>51438781
>Shut up, you get enormous ugly models with shitty rules :^)

>>51438825
citation needed x2