/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

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>>51358415
>Rolled 19 (1d20)
The XIX claims this thread!

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This thread's for the Mechanicum, since we don't exactly have a number to reserve one for us.

Admittedly, my lot aren't exactly normal. We do make good monsters, though. Starting to clean and trim some bits for the Genetor Castellax.

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>>51358415
Anon did a marvelous job there.

>>51358454
Damned sneaky beakies ;) Ah well. We call reserves on the next one, though! Also, maybe roll D23? 21 Mechanicum, 22 Solar Auxilia, 23 MaC.

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>>51358454
The XIX claims the XXIXth thread ;^)

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Daily reminder that its rules reveal a harsh truth : FW does not want you to buy this tank

>>51358509
>>51358454
Caw caw?

>>51358502
MaC?
We also have Shattered Legions, three flavour of Blackshields, three flavours of Mechanicum, Solar Auxilia and regular IM mortals.

So I guess it would be a D27?

But we gotta agree on which group claims which number.

You know, prevent the whole "do we decimate on a 1 or on a 10?" scenario

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>>51358529
>tfw I have no crows here
Sadness

>>51358546
MaC. Militia and Cults, so all the Army and such.
I think we can probably roll the Mechanicum and Blackshields into one each, but I forgot about Shattered Legions. How about:

21 Shattered Legions
22 Blackshields
23 Solar Auxilia
24 Militia and Cults
25 Mechanicum.
Should probably put that on the OP of we're rolling like that, though.

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>>51358555
It could be worse. Nice trips.

>>51358622
What about #2 & #11?
>>51358652
>Fishline man
He was a Finnish dude? What the fuck is going on there, I thought you were merely eastern Swedes.
I was thinking more about the Raven story

>>51358652
So finland is nostamo?

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>>51358415
Nifty, thanks. I did post the finished one last thread too.

>>51358685
Free-for-all, I guess. Or the time those guys who wrote fluff for their own Legions to crawl out the woodwork. There were a couple of those a while ago IIRC.

Also, does anyone have the rough dimensions of a Vulturax, IE length and width? Need to know whether the ideas I've had for conversion are at all reasonable.

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>>51358685
Nah I was just telling him that not having crows isn't as bad as living in Finland.
>>51358699
>anti-social
>depressing
>moody
Yep they're Nostramans.

>>51358735
Maybe #2 is for SoS and #11 for Custodes
>>51358712
Your other pics don't have that much of shade. Maybe turn off the flash?

>>51358782
Oh they all have flash. Colour balancing sometimes makes it lighter or darker.

>>51358782
I also forgot THOSE existed. There's literally no player who doesn't run some variant of Calth+ Primarch+ Toys at the local GW, I think I will be the first non-Legion guy. Going in with an almost completely converted army, too. I'm such a special snowflake...
That system works well, and I'm fairly certain we've got everything apart from Daemons and Knights-Errant, which aren't really standalone things here. Tack Daemons on as 2 and have Agents of the Emperor on 11?

Hello X,

Your DHL EXPRESS shipment with waybill number XXXXXX from KABUKI STUDIO SRLS is on its way and may require a signature.

The current scheduled delivery is Wed Jan 25 2017 by End of Day.

Y'all will be the first to see my 'celtic knight' Special edition.
Hopefully it as detailed as it looked in the pictures.

>>51358652
Does anyone have the original thread for that? Whenever it gets posted I try to look for it in the archives, but I fail each time.

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>>51358886
>Daemons
So eager to forget these guys.

The only thing I liked Horus saying is, foolish, but:
>The Chaos gods don't direct this Crusade. I do.

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Since shit goes on sale Friday, that means we are now a mere 11 alphariuses away from all of the great things we have ever been waiting for and then much more for we will never want again blessed be Forge World and our savior Alan!

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>>51358515
Why

>>51358712
Job's a good 'un.

>>51359067
>Ordo Sinister
Who?

>>51359225
the most seniors of the legio titanicus, it's basically composed purely of imperator titans.

They get sent out when someone needs to be made a show of.

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>>51359249
Thats uh. Nice? Unless theyre getting expanded or redacted i dont see anyone fielding 12 Inperetor Titans.

>>51359279
I'm assuming they must play a major role in Adeptus Titanicus.

>>51359249
>Space Wolves, Sisters of Silence and Custodes
Can't get the job done

>Space Wolves, Sisters of Silence, Custodes, Sons of Horus, Mechanicum, Legio Titanicus, the fucking Legio Sinister
Still cannot get the job done.

Amazing, truly the emperor's executioners.

I just found out that my mother's maiden name mean "Horace" aka Horus in Polish.

Am I the son of a heretic? How should I attone?

>>51359387
PAIN GLOVE

>>51359321
Who does get the job done?

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>>51359387
Do you look in mirror and see pic related?

>>51359387
You could be Horacio/Horatio. That's double-pain glove

>>51359387
Slay your mother.

Rolled 1 (1d20)

>>51359746
Rolling persuasion for anon to commit mumicide.

>>51359766
...What does that mean?

>>51359807
Exactly

>>51359766
>>51359807
I think I failed so hard that Anons mum is, in fact, a chaos cultist and Anon will joined her cult

>>51359766
What does he mean by this

>>51359807
I think it means I need to embrace her heretical bloodline and start a Sons of Horus army.

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>>51359844
Suspected it.
Critical fails are always hillariously bad, exploding femurs and all that.

Did someone say "this thread doesn't have enough videos of Duncan kitbashing a cataphractii blood angel"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Pq8lWz8YQ

>>51359978
If it isn't covered in assault cannons by the end of the video I WILL be disappointed.

>>51359978
I love you Duncaaaaaaaaaan

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>>51360063

>>51358752
A lot of scandinavians could be nostramans, in the north it's crazy darkness during the winter. Pale as fuck skin too.

>>51360544
Isn't there a place in Alska where the sun doesn't shine for 30 days? Night Lords are Alaskan/Scandinavians.

>>51359321
>Sons of Horus
>implying they actually went to Prospero

>>51360667
Norway has a Nostramo-y place for 6 months straight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rjukan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JAhl8195C8

>>51360667
In Barrow, Alaska the sun doesn't shine for 67 days straight.

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YEAH

>>51360707
SoH where probably killing as many Wolves as TSons.

>>51360751
Norway sounds very depressing.
>>51360765
Thanks.

>>51360796
>No grav Rhinos
B O O O O O O O O ! ! !

>>51360796
IT BEGINS!

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>>51360796

>>51360796
Confirmed it's been delayed lmao fuck u FW

>>51360796
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>>51360933
The Luna Wolves didn't do anything wrong but the Space Wolves certainly did.

>>51360925
You can stop lying now. It's all over.

>>51360830
>Norway sounds very depressing.
It can be.

>>51359067
Man I'm super hyped for Adeptus Titanicus , hopefully I'll get a chance to play it on the friday night.

Is anyone else from /tg/ going?

>>51360988
>As you’d expect, there are loads of new rules for Space Wolves and Thousand Sons armies – both of which can deviate quite considerably from the standard Space Marine Legion force. It’s not just the VI and XV Legions in the book though – also covered are the Talons of the Emperor: the Sisters of Silence and Legio Custodes. Even in an age of superhuman demi-gods, this force is elite, with access to loads of great vehicle support for their unequaled infantry.

>All in – it’s looking great, it’s going to be awesome, and it’s on its way in early March.

fuck you

>>51361059
I'll be there, didn't think there were others, nice.

>>51361059

You're going to the HH Weekender?

Would you mind being the font for all of /hhg/s questions for Bligh and the rest?

>>51361066
Nigga, it's going to be up for sale at the weekender. Don't worry.

>>51361098
Sure , why not.

I'll make a list

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>>51358415
>Helmeted Primarchs Sub-edition
Fuck yeah helmets

>>51361132

First, thank you. It's very kind of you to do this for us.

From me, ask about the Spireguard. Are they getting anything, and if not, why not.

>>51361109
>on its way in early March

it's not at the weekender fuck this gay earth

>>51361132
Clear, concise answer, or ideally an updated FAQ, clarifying whether Tyrant Siege Terminators are elites or heavy support. Settling this once and for all would be much appreciated by most bitteranons I think.

>>51361132
Thanks for doing this.

Would you be so kind as to ask about what Blood Angels are getting? What's their fluff going to focus on? What special units are they getting? ETA on Sanguinius? ETA on Scoria?

Thanks again.

>>51361132
>Why are the fucktards at BL allowed near a keyboard?
>^this tbqhl
>Why are indomitus so shit?
>Destroyer what the fuck
>Storm Shields + Tartarus what the fuck
>No proofreading what the fuck
>everything what the fuck
>:^)

>>51361132
Ask if there's confirmation they're holding back Alpharius and Dorn for the Solar War book.

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>>51361215

Where the fuck are you getting march?

Or am I being banted right now?

>>51361277
What a productive use of a question.

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>>51361132
Are Solar Auxilia on the map for any updates?

Will Constantine Valdor be able to beat Sigismund?

Will Assassins ever be added to Horus Heresy?

>>51361132
How much do chainaxes cost?

Welp, I now know where my tax return would be wasted on.

>>51361329
Maybe it's a sign
Another anon does whine
Really though, Inferno's delayed
Citizens going to HH have prepaid
/hhg/, read the first letter of every line

>>51361442

If it's March, then you're really, really fucking screwed.

>>51361132
Not entirely Inferno related, but any news on a Scoria or Arlatax model?


Also, does he work on Mortarion? For some reason I never got a reply to my emails.

>>51361132
Any chance of Thunder Warriors getting rules at all?

What do you reckon Narthan Dume looked like lads?
Thinking of converting up some Unification era thingies like Cardinal Tang and the aforementioned Tyrant of the Pan-Pacific.

>>51361132
What if this is Bligh taking a more direct route to questions.

>>51361132
I echo >>51361183 and >>51361261
Thank you

Will Moritats get a rework? As-is theyre s mathematically poor choice

Will Destroyers get a fix soon? Or points drop?

Will an FAQ/Errata in general be coming out?

Will Xenos Deathlocks be redone? Volkite is superior in every way and doesn't kill your own dudes.

>>51361066

>both of which can deviate quite considerably from the standard Space Marine Legion force

I really hope not, at least no more than any other legion. The thing that made 30k great was the ability to create forces which have access to the same units but play very differently through the choice application of a few rules. If they start making all the remaining legions wildly divergent because they're bored it'll destroy that elegant design (along with the balance).

Still, it'll be amusing when that annoying tripfag best left unnamed discovers that his 300 marines that he's already bought don't work in a SW army.

>>51361533
Yeah but TS and Wolves are known for their restructuring. Everyone else fiddled with it but none did an entire overhaul

>>51361520
Like something Ironsleet made for Pilgrym.

>>51361593
>TS: lol psy everything
>SW: lol wolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolf

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>>51361593
Yes, this is true, in fact we, the Ultramarines, barely fiddled with the preexisting structure at all.
:^)

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>>51361610
Awoo.

>>51361610
I'm sure you're parents are proud of you.

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>>51361649
space wolves geometry confirkms infiltration by alphas

>>51361632
Good job

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>>51361649
Awoooooooooooo.

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>>51361610
from the man(wolf) himself

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>And so it began, the dark years of endless shitposting about yiffs and TSons.

>>51361758
Angelus shall bring us back from the darkness my brother.

>>51361736
The meme is self-aware.

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>>51361736
>>51361697
>>51361662

>>51361329
filthy liar, good job fucking with people's hopes

>>51360796
>INFERNO: ADEPTUS CUSTODES And tsons/wolves too I guess

>>51361132

Will we see other types of jetbikes released at some point?

Do they plan on ever stopping releasing 10 heavy support choices for every other choice in the fucking game?

Inferno scan link plox.

>>51361823
Legio Custodes you dolt

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>>51361896

>>51361896

Never going to happen.

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>>51361896

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>>51361898

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>>51361896

Virtues of the Sons/Sins of the Father audio link?

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Cant wait for the custodes to totally outshine wolves and sons even though this was supposed to be their book and theyve been waiting for it for years and years

>>51361132
Thanks dude, I will second this question

>>51361293
>if there's confirmation they're holding back Alpharius and Dorn for the Solar War book.

And if you could ask if there are confirmed plans for a plastic box set/board game of Adeptus Titanicus or if it will be all resin/sold through Forgeworld.

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>>51361896

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>>51361896
We did it, anons.
Inferno saved /HHG/ :^)

Download links plz

>>51361923
>>51361931
>>51361941
>>51361968
Anons, that was a controlled test, and you didn't take very well to it.
Fortify your souls brothers, for that will be >20% of threads from now on.

>>51362025

No, Inferno will prolong the pain.

Angelus will save /hhg/

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>>51361989
>>51362039

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>>51362039
Jokes on you, I was just testing my response you silly willy.

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>>51361989
Never.

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>>51362076
IT IS WELL DONE

>>51362039
I was testing how many (You)s I got as a response.
Result: INSATISFACTORY, MORE (YOU)s NEEDED ;_;

>>51362046
Like I said before, the sooner Inferno is released, the closer we'll be to Book 8

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>>51362039

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>>51362077
Those twigs cannot compare, and you know it, anon.

TSfags (and Wolfags too), prepare to be outshone.

AWAKEN, MY EMPEROR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhVCoTsBaM

>>51361132
Are there any plans to give units, including those that are severely sub-par since the veterans boost, a bit of a leg up through an Errata ? Also :
- Destroyers ?
- Breachers : possible to give them something to make them less bad outside ZM ?
- Recon squads : Why more points than veterans ? Why no shotgun/CC weapon/Sniper for the sergant ?
- Xiphon : does it have to cost more points than a Fire Raptor whilst having half the HP and less AV ?
- Cerberus ?
- Quad mortar nerfs possibly ?
- Seekers : any reason the sergant can't have a combi-weapon ?
- Squad-wide meltabombs : for the units that can, please allow just the sergant or individual models to take a meltabomb, because the whole unit is now the worst upgrade to take ever.
- Why does Mechanicum have to be so OP :^)

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>>51361896

>>51362151
AH YA YA YAAAAAEEEEEEEEE

>>51362212
51362212s don't lie.

>>51362227
he's lying because we're not getting inferno until march anyway

>>51362151
Considering that any army that is entirely designed by FW and not marines has at least one broken army composition with little to no counter (AdMech, Solar) you can bet your ass Custodes will have at least one armylist that will put Cybernetica to shame

>>51362202
I like how the sick beats that follow can never be put into words

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>>51360796
>"Book 1: Betrayal, Book 2: Massacre, Book: 3 Extermination, Book 4: Conquest, Book 5: Tempest, fellow publications, and people of /hhg/: Thank you."

>>51362240
If we keep the bait train going, one of us is sure to get dubs
Hey guize just arrived at HH, SW have free chainaxes, for free.

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>>51361132

Why does the vultarax get blessed autosimulacra and flare shields when those only affect vehicles, not FMCs?

Are things like the xiphon going to get recosted now that Death from the Skies has ruined them?

Plans for Mechanicum characters as good as Scoria but for Loyalists?

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>>51362289

>>51362290
>Death from the Skies
People play that in 30k games? I thought everyone ignored it.

>>51362290
>Death from the Skies
But that isn't canon. I haven't seen anyone use it except two guys try it out the week it came out.

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>>51362251

>>51362309

Depends. Our store mandates it.

>>51362337
You have my condolences.

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>>51362309
>>51362323

I haven't seen it that often, but it's usually up to the event organizer. In times where it's used, NOBODY brings flyers except as reserve boosters.

>>51362337
What a shit store.

>>51362290
>Are things like the xiphon going to get recosted now that Death from the Skies has ruined them?

I never thought I would hear about somebody actually using that piece of shit of an expansion. All I hear is people not even considering using it because it invalidates the majority of the flyers and add a rock-paper-sissors phase to the game with no depth that only draws out games even longer.

>>51362403
No, we don't. Bogdanov threads are worse than those shitty Fashwave threads.

>>51362403
Imagine finding such a face in a dark alley
>You want some scientific papers, kid?
I'd run away immediately

What's about those guys and a call, anyway?

>>51361132
Will we ever get Lupercii (Sons of Horus possessed marines) in models and rules?

Ride on!

>>51362477
>What's about those guys and a call, anyway?
I think the one on the right is David Hasselhoff and the one on the left is all four of the Ghostbusters + slimer.

>>51362337
How can a store mandate people use a ruleset.

NOT EVEN FUCKING WHW mandates you use that piece of shit "expac".

>>51362491
I want the quick rundown

>>51361758
>engaging phosphex countermeasures

>>51362550
I already read that.
And the affair.
No clue about Europe-saving phone calls.

>>51362528

Easy. When you the only store around, and you listen to the people who buy hundreds of dollars of stuff a week...

>>51362307
>Phoenix Spears are total shit

SORRY, CANT HERE YOU UP HERE AT INITIATIVE 6

>>51362613
>autotranslate
>"there after the summer and the thing would be the chance to watch rescuers are one that's the deeper meaning of the technical issues at the pole galawa"
I'll be honest, I'm struggling here.

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>>51362715
>He isn't at initiative 9
Shitty build.

>>51362740
Whoops, forgot the Charnabal sabre that you'll be taking, which gives us I10.

>>51362747
Dagnabit, not again.

>>51361594
Glad to see someone else who follows the Inq28 lot, not a massively helpful answer.

I don't think there's ever been any art of him which is why I'm asking, otherwise I'll have to pick a Blanche sketch at random.

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>>51362796
>Caring about initiative order because your enemies can hurt you.

Ave Deus Mechanicus, you guys are scrubs.

>>51362740
>there's no limit for Custards
Welp, I'm going to enjoy my WS10 BS10 S10 T10 W10 I10 A10 Ld10 character.

>>51362874
>other

sorry bud you're stuck at T3 :^)

>>51362874
>tfw you cannot emergency disembark your exploding rhino because it's surrounded by 50 Conscripts, so you get removed as a casualty
:^)

>>51362874
>what is "Other"

Anon, please.

>>51362898
>>51362906
W-well at least I can b-be Ld10.
>>51362904
>Custodes
>Rhino
Why must you hurt me in this way.

>>51362936

The Coronus looks good though. And it's covered in guns, far more than the twin bolters of a Grav-Rhino.

>>51362936
>tfw it hurts me too
:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(
>>51362967
>And it's covered in guns, far more than the twin bolters of a Grav-Rhino.
Who gives a fuck?! It's not a golden grav Rhino and it will never be! :,(

>>51362967
Metal Boxes > Dragon Dildo

Imperial Fist anon here, Castellum fortification a good buy?

>>51362982

Well, given that normal Custodes are bigger than Terminators, they would never fit in a Grav-Rhino anyway.

>>51363005
Good luck getting to play it or arriving safely

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>>51363018
>normal Custodes are bigger than Terminators
>They're 7'3" tall, way smaller than the 8' tall marines everyone mentally wanks to
I want that fucking meme to end.

>>51363050

Put a Custodian Model besides a Marine Model. Then tell me Custodians are smaller.

>>51363018
A six foot six /fit/izen fits on one seat in a bus, an obese guy fits on two.
Rhinos only have single seats.

>>51363018
How do you know Grav-Rhino won't have rules to allow them in?

Fuck it, lets just make Grav-Chimeras instead.

>>51362865
>Glad to see someone else who follows the Inq28 lot
Same here, will try my hand at it once I build a regular 30k army.

>>51361258
>>51361277
>>51361526

I think the better question covering all these is simply, What's the schedule for revised red books?

But it really depends on whether FW will follow GW in moving into a new edition. (Not that we truly know GW's schedule.)

If they stick with 7th, I'd ask what we can do to provide input for adjusting units.

>>51363145
>what we can do to provide input for adjusting units.
This is a good question, possibly the best yet.

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>>51363079
Gee, look at this huge guardsman. How can the Chimaera ever carry 12 of them?! Not even a Land's Raider Phobos fits that many models!

>>51363183
Phobos can't carry more than 10 emaciated cultists either.

>>51363212
Yet another proof that famelic cultists are bloated with Chaos gains, thus becoming Big guys, a bit shy of Bulky models

>>51361183
>>51361258
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>>51362484
Holy hell that was more questions than I anticipated. Could someone maybe collate all this shit into a pastebin and split it out into lore/balance/new stuff/FAQ? Also Alan Bligh isn't the only designer there , do people have questions for the other guys? People that worked on models etc? Maybe at a link to the pastebin to the OP post in the next thread ?

>>51361506
I'm pretty sure this got asked last year and the answer was no. He said the thunder warriors were "done" as they have age faster than marines and are likely all old men by the time of the heresy.

>>51363341
Alpharius or Dorn model soon?
Next IA book when?
Next HH book when?
Imperator Titan model?
Scoria model?

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>>51363464
Alpharius model revealed

>>51363486
stealthy kek

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>>51363507
Abaddon + Alpharius WIP pics

>>51363486
>everything is alpharius!
ALfags are so tiresome. Their legion has one gimmick and they just go on about it constantly.

>>51363556
>Their legion has one gimmick
So every legion ever

>>51363556
>he doesn't realize that their only gimmick is, in fact, every gimmick

>>51363556
There's an Alpharius inside you right now.

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>>51363556
Boohoo, don't be so memeless, anon.
Doesn't your legion has any meme?

I was looking for that Alpharius salamander conversion pic but couldn't find it. One of Many, I guess.

>>51363578
Nah. Consider the space wolves, they're meant to have a range of various themes going on, but in 40k all GW does with them is WOLFWOLFWOLFWOLFWOLFWOLFWOLF. That's what the AL are, just ALPHARIUSALPHARIUSALPHARIUSALPHARIUSALPHARIUSALPHARIUS. It's boring.

>>51358712
What base size is this dude on?

>>51363637
>OALPHARIUSMALPHARIUSEALPHARIUSGALPHARIUSOALPHARIUSN
fify

>>51361843
>>51363341


This was actually meant to be directed to the forge world team in general.

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>>51363637
>Their literal gimmick allows them not only to STEAL a legion-specific unit, but Omegon can be disguised as a Justaerin or even a fucking Gal Vorbak
>Ugh, Silonifags pick only on a single aspect

They could pick Siege, but then you'd probably call them "unfluffy".

Not even an ALfag, IWfag here.

>>51363659
That took to long to decipher.

>>51363578

White Scars are very cultured lore wise, given that their schtick is mongol horde (but not barbarian savages).

and on the table top they yell VROOMVROOM and COMPMETACOMPMETA

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>>51363696
Silonius lives!
>tfw I'm for real not sure of who the guy in my pic is.

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>>51363721
It's Sigmar.

>>51363183
as Rhinos can never carry 10 Marines and LRs cannot take 5 Termies. Unless they learned how canned Sardines fight.

>>51363341
Primarch helmets, my friend.

>>51363100
Grav Chimeras with Custodian spear arrays when?

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>>51363925
Amazing

>>51363556
honestly cant agree more

Forget the grav-rhinos and grav-chimeras, I'm looking forward to the grav-CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT.

This is where someone points out that the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT hadn't been invented yet in 30k, isn't it?

>>51364104

The Crassus comes from the Forgeworld of Zhao-Arkkad. Guess which Forgeworld has a major part to play in Inferno?

>>51364128
Is it Lucius?

Why is the Vulturax considered good? I love it and I'm buying or making one soon, but it has anti-cover rules that do nothing as it has AP5 blasts in Space Marine city. 3 haywire shots isn't quite enough to reliably take down enemy aircraft compared to something like a Lightning, anyway. Seems resoundingly mediocre to me, but it's cute enough for me to get one anyway.

>>51364164

you take 2-3 and reliably point and click a spartan or knight away every turn. Even a baneblade or fellblade will be fucked.

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>>51364045
Because you asked so nicely.
>>51364104
Those had been invented already.
Or at least you can use them count as

>>51364262
Ah, OK. I tend to get confused when the better tactics are to Squadron Monstrous Creatures. I suppose you could go Rite of Destruction, shoot everything twice, jink through the enemy turn then fly off the board, then return later having taken half a shooting phase and fully reloaded.

>>51363637
Someone never actually read the lore for them. The EVERYONE IS ALPHARIUS is one gimmick they have out of an entire grab bag of dirty tricks. Their insecurity, quiet arrogance, tendency towards calculated atrocities, battle lust, tendency towards using disposable catspaws and unconventional allies, advanced technologies...

Think of them as 40k's answer to Marvel Hydra as a Space Marine Legion. They're explicitly noted to be hated enemies of the Inquisition with a thing for spreading cults as disposable allies and distractions.

>>51364164
The blast weapons are your Anti militia weapon
The Haywire gun will reliably damage knights, which cannot return fire when they are swooping.

But the main deal is that Vultarax will never fucking die, since they have a 3+ save, hueg toughness and can regenerate.

It can even tank Icarus lascanons in the right conditions.

>>51364363
Needs a pintle-mounted spear.

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>>51364475
Done.

>>51362098
British Angron confirmed

>>51364651

All the Primarchs are British. Except the Khan.

At what point do people in your meta reveal their lists? Around me we usually give a quick run through right before deployment. Not super in depth, just "I got # units of X with Y weapons in Z transports, these guys have Apothecaries, these ICs, Veterans have this rule." Recently a guy moved here who has a lot of trouble with this concept and either tries dancing around it (especially with his veterans' special rules) or has to really be prodded, so obviously wherever he came from they don't do that. I know it's not in the rulebook or anything, but we as a group just do it as a kind of gentleman's agreement for a fair fight so we aren't surprised when Vulkan jumps out of a Land Raider or something. So does your meta go over lists:
1. Before deployment
2. As you deploy
3. Only if asked
4. Fuck you, you'll see what's in my Spartan when it gets out of the Spartan.
5. Other

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>>51364666
U wot.

>>51364674
Generally before deploying/around that time we go through everything, note any counts-as, etc

>>51364674
Before or during deployment we tell what each unit is and their wargear. During deployment we tell which character/IC joined which unit, and use counters like dice or models to show which unit is in which transport. Things like Veteran tactics are decided at the times the rules tell you to.

This is how things should be done, otherwise you get WAACfags abusing the fact they don't have to say what is in which transport and the like, meaning their Delegatus with Veterans is never in the rhino you shoot at for example.

>>51363341
Hey, I've some of my own if you're still accepting them!

>Why can't Word Bearers take Pyromancy from Burning Lore?
>Will there be a diabolist model based on the art from HH5?
>Should Diabolists count as Chaplains regarding the WB HQ rule, as their fluff states that they're corrupted Chaplains?

>>51365134
Oh, just remembered my final question!

>Should other Consul types be allowed to take Burning Lore, such as a Delegatus or Herald?

>>51364441

Vultarax can't regenerate.

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>>51363701
I like the "warrior poet" theme. In that sense they're not just Mongolian - they're an East Asian amalgamation.

The Mongols didn't really do the horde thing, moving your community together with your army. That was more Hunnic. More in WS fashion, Genghis Khan sent large-scale raids like a "reconnaissance" mission consisting of 20,000 under Subutai, including conquered specialists like Chinese siege units. They traveled to the Caucasus and smashed an army of 60,000 on the way. They were elusive, came out of nowhere, and were happy to retreat to gain a tactical advantage. The only part of Mongolian military practice that we haven't seen in the WS is using other people's specialists to cover gaps in their expertise. But FW might write that in.

BL has given them lots of Chinese-sounding proverbs and Sun Tzu-style parables with military lessons, and a vaguely Taoist philosophy: simplicity, detachment from desires, the inaction as a deliberate action. They have the temperance to not delve deeper into the warp despite knowing what it offers, as per the Khan's discussion with Magnus. They keep their quarters sparse. And they talk about fighting without a center other than the Khan.

Their pursuit of the arts is Japanese. The samurai were a class, not a profession, so once the country was at peace and isolated, they had nothing to do but art. The earliest samurai were horse-mounted archers, an obvious parallel.

I don't know if they have anything Korean in them. Were they better with ships than the Chinese? Chris Wraight has made the WS voidfaring experts, but I think that's just an extension of being good with fast machinery.

>>51364159
I hope you're kidding.

The Crassus is a recent addition in 40k because the forge world of Zhao-Arkkad was only recently brought back into the Imperium. But in Inferno it had close ties to Prospero and the Thousand Sons. So it was presumably a supplier for the Great Crusade, but stopped supplying the Imperium after the SW destroyed their friends. Then in M41 they join the "good" guys again and start handing out the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT once more.

>>51365320
A Korean admiral successfully fought off a full Japanese navy after only ever being a land-based general, using limited resources and hit-and-run tactics.

>>51359978
>GW officially endorsing kitbashes again
Truly the end of days are upon us

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So, saw this.

>>51365651
What is this HERESY?

>>51365651
uhhhh
I am gonna reserve judgement on these until they are painted

>>51365385
If they're gonna put Crassus into 30k, I really hope it's not called Crassus, since that name came from one of Macharius' generals.

>crassus uses macharius chassis
>macharius tank in 30k confirmed
>FW has to take away everything from 40k to put their crap into 30k

GW might force FW to put Stormravens and Centurions into 30k at this point.

>>51365839
Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist Centurions.

FORTIFYING.

>>51365839
The red books say the Macharius and CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT can be used "representing indigenous war machines". So they existed, or at least something close enough did, but without the name. After all, none of these are new designs - they're just rediscovered STCs. So maybe a world had them but then was destroyed before it could share the schematics. 9,500 years later someone discovers identical plans on another world and names it after an M41 general.

The only problem is that a lot of the Baneblade/Shadowsword variants do seem to have been invented rather than discovered, like the Stormsword.

>>51363556
>>51363578
>>51363637
See this? This is what happens when you give people Red Books and plastic minis. They start listening to memes like they're the actual lore.

>>51365839
Speaking about 40k stuff in 30k.
Stormlord was CONSTRUCTED by adeptus mechanicus from Lucius when they try to put Vulcan Mega Bolter from titans into other vehicles in M33. But you can use Stormmlord in 30k in Solar Auxilia.

>>51366040
'Invented' is probably a strong word, as for most things in GrimDark. Most Baneblade/Shadowsword variants are just a different gun welded into the same chassis.

>>51365927
>DG Centurion
>TL assault grenade launchers on the arms
>two phosphex discharger on the torso
>death cloud

I am become Death Guard the huffer of poison.

>>51366093
Something to remember is plenty of tech was lost in the Heresy, rediscovered, then lost again, and possibly rediscovered again. Because of the paranoid and monopolistic nature of the AdMech, discoveries between forge worlds are rarely shared, and so duplicate research would be a common practice.

>>51363005
I've dabbled with it before in a variety of points, from a single fortification to several, 4 I believe. Certain games and against certain list it can come in handy bit for the most part people will just work around it.

>>51365535
Why is that weird? Did GW hold a negative attitude towards kitbashing in the past?

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>>51366040
Except the fluff says the Macharius was designed, rather than made from an STC.

>>51366093
Or like how Leman Russ Annihilator came to existence in M37 and was named after the Predator Annihilator, but Army can use it in 30k.

>>51366221
The Looted Wagon was basically removed from the Ork codex, only to be added in a White Dwarf because of playerbase outrage. This was under the previous leaders of GW, and likely gives a good idea what their stance on kitbashing and conversions was.

>>51361758
You fools thought the Russ vs. Lion shitposting and Word Bearer shit was abhorrent. It was your salvation. None shall escape the true barbarity of the coming Russ Magnus flamewar. /HHG/ will burn, and all of /tg/ will fall with it.

>>51366265
With GW's current trend of making upgrade sprues to make stuff like genestealer cultists from IG, maybe they could make a "loot sprue" that just comes with various orky bits you can slap onto other races vehicles to make your looted wagons. Just plate slabs, exhausts, guns, and crew. Would be fun to see more than just Imperial stuff. Like have a generic wagon profile and then allow you to add stuff to it. So you can have a generic wagon that's like a Rhino or a Chimera. But you can make it heavy, which reduces the speed but ups the armour (Russ), you can make it a skimmer (xenos vehicles), etc. Who wouldn't want something like looted Doomsday Arks (like in the 5e codex)?

>>51365406

Yi Sun-Sin. The Nelson of the East.

>>51360818
so... not many?

>>51366363
Exactly, things like that is why cross-codex compatibilty for kits is a good thing for GW. It is still a mystery why they removed things like the Leman Russ Executioner from the SW codex, the Basilisk from IW and so on, because things like that means more people buy the same excisting kit. Or just imagine what would happen if CSM were allowed drop pods, those would fly off the shelves faster than GW could produce them

>>51366429
Executioner was removed because it was removed also from IG and didn't come back until 5e. Basilisk was removed because fuck you, that's why.

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>>51366429
I wonder if the SW will get Lemans for their FW treatment.
>CSM drop pods
Heresy!

>>51366500
>I wonder if the SW will get Lemans for their FW treatment.

Well, I sure as shit don't have two old GW Executioners sitting around, waiting for that day. Good thing predators get pintle-HBs, so I can use them as dakka predators at least.

>CSM drop pods

Place your bets, people, will CSM get plastic dreadclaws before loyalists?

Praise the Emperor that FW is doing HH fluff. GW campainings description is mostly character A spoted character B and they duel, then some plot twist, and another duels of characters. At the end no one lose.

>>51366550
>Place your bets, people, will CSM get plastic dreadclaws before loyalists?
Estonia and Belarus are more likely to become world super powers by 2018 than Traitors getting plastic dreadclaws that won't eat them.

>>51366040
There are a couple of superheavies you can't use - it used to be an all-encompassing rule allowing ALL non-mentioned superheavies to be "indigenous war machines", but now there's an actual list (Macharius + Variants including Crassus are still on it though).

>>51366550

Don't worry, FW will sell special Space Wolf Leman Russes that use tons of resin and only the treads and bottom hull of the plastic one.

>>51363637
>Consider the space wolves, they're meant to have a range of various themes going on, but in 40k all GW does with them is WOLFWOLFWOLFWOLFWOLFWOLFWOLF.
>5th edition codex comes out
>Begins the overwolfing
>Also introduces Sagas
>The single coolest, most your dudes thing GW has done in ages
>Next doubles down on the wolfing and reduces sagas to warlord traits
Thanks, GW.

>>51366926
No what FW is going to do is release a new, special tank that looks the same as a Leman Russ, does the same as the Leman Russ but 10 times better for half the points.

>>51366389
>Yi Sun-Sin. The Nelson of the East.
Wow, that's a closer parallel to Nelson than I expected. Thanks!

>>51360891

Looks like some new custode upgrades in the bottom left.

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I tried to balance the cheesiness of White Scar bikers in Zone fucking Mortalis with some boxnaughts.

I hope I won't lose friends.

White Scars Zone Mortalis (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy v46) (1000 points)

HQ (255pts)
Legion Centurion (255pts)
Artificer Armour (10pts), Power Glaive (15pts), Refractor Field (10pts), Space Marine Bike with Twin-linked Bolter (25pts)
Consul (15pts)
Delegatus (15pts)

Legion Command Squad (210pts)
3x Legion Space Marine Chosen (45pts),
4x Power Weapon (40pts)
Bikes (80pts)

Elites (415pts)
Legion Dreadnought Talon (415pts)
Legion Dreadnought (140pts)
Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Flamestorm Cannon (15pts)

Legion Dreadnought (140pts)
Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Flamestorm Cannon (15pts)

Legion Dreadnought (135pts)
Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with inbuilt twin-linked Bolter, Plasma Cannon (10pts)

Troops (250pts)
Legion Outrider Squad (130pts)
3x Legion Space Marine Outrider (90pts)
Outrider Sergeant (30pts)
Bolt Pistol, Power Glaive (15pts)
Power Weapon (10pts)
Power Sword

Legion Outrider Squad (120pts)
3x Legion Space Marine Outrider (90pts)
Outrider Sergeant (30pts)
Bolt Pistol, Power Glaive (15pts)

Legion
Legiones Astartes
V: White Scars, Loyalist
Rite of War
Chogorian Brotherhood

>>51361132

Ok, I have a very important question for you.

Grav-Rhinos. Will FW ever make them? They've said they won't give them to Custodes, and we've seen the Coronus, but will the Sisters of Silence get Grav-Rhinos for their transport needs?

>>51367796
Firstly, im pretty sure that centurion is overcosted as fuck, you messed up with command squad and him math, or is actually a praetor. Secondly, consider changing something around to get some atack bikes, since sidecars are cool and definitely iconic. Finally, get some more anti-armour, be it meltabombs, fist meltaguns, powerfists sprinkled throughout, as since you gottagofast you'll run into locked doors a fair bit more often, if you play with such rules

>>51367372
And it'll be different enough that you can't use the old model. Like rotor cannon turret and hull and sponson mounted autocannons, with a slightly larger hull.

Hey anons,
Is there any good use for a Land Raider Achilles, or the Alpha version? Specifically in a DG list. I really like the model, but this stuff is too expensive (in CASH MONEY and points) to be a paper weight.
It's weapons seem a little schtizo, and it's 6 man capacity and lack of assault vehicle is... vexing.

>>51368011

Battlescribe in its infinite wisdom lumps in the command squads point cost with the centurion, it looks weird I know. I had to add the 80 points for the command squads bikes myself.

I suppose I could drop a dread to add in my singular (albeit multimelta) attack bike and give the bikes meltabombs, wouldn't be a terrible idea.

>>51368150

Because you want your land raider to spew phosphex and have culverin sponsons.

>>51365320
> how are they Chinese
Silly anon all of Asia can be measured in their relationship to the Middle Kingdom. All under Heaven is the well spring and the end at once

>>51363622
God that's hideous

>>51366550
>plastic dreadclaws

Could happen, I mean the kit itself is gone from FW and I would not be surprised if GW gave plastic dreadclaws to 40k as part of the Gathering Storm books considering one of those WILL focus on Chaos.

>>51368314

Chaos won't get any new units. All they'll get is a Triumvirate Box.

>>51368314
>something nice happening
>to CSM
>ever

No, this is not a good pain.

>>51368392
Traitor Legions supplement.

>>51368314
Ill take platic dread pods too please. That things been gone foe A G E S

>>51368314
Dreadclaws are back up on the FW store tho sadly

>>51368445
A happy accident.

>>51368538
Yeah I checked again so there go my hopes!

>>51368590

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

>>51369074
If they were Raven Guard they would know that.

*aims lascannon at tactical nuke*

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If I wanted to sculpt trims and shit (let's say like the ones on new Kharn) on Mk III Marines to Chaosify them, what would be the best way to add detail to the backs of the suits? It seems like it'd be super-easy to make it look cluttered due to all the overlapping plates, but not adding anything would make the front and back of the model not match up.

>>51363622
I never got why people do headswaps where the head hangs over the top of a raised gorget like that. It makes them look like they've got super-long necks, and it's very common on Alexis Polux headswaps.

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>acquire 40 custodes when BoP drops
>have to Calidius on the way
>been saving for months to buy an army when the book releases
>anxiously awaiting Infurno
>mfw I roll up to my friend group the day after it's released with my 40 golden boys and their pimp speeders

still not as gloriously engineered as lada but will do

>>51366675
If Belarus becomes part of Russia does that count?

>>51367796
You'll lose friends for taking Dreadnoughts in a legion that doesn't believe in them. Just take guys on foot.

>>51367863
The Coronus IS the grav-Rhino. You may have been taking "grav-Rhino" too literally.

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>>51370332
>You may have been taking "grav-Rhino" too literally.

>>51370332
>doesn't believe in them
>he doesn't know about honored Temajin

"Before his internment within a Dreadnought, Honoured Temajin served as part of the great Kyublai Khan's Honour Guard. However, whilst locked in a great duel with a fell champion of the Black Legion, Temajin was shot in the back by a Legionnaire's plasma gun and laid low. Whilst many White Scars find the prospect of being confined within the metal sarcophagus a horror, believing their soul should be allowed to roam free, Temajin has vowed to hunt down and enact revenge against the coward who shot him. "

For a shattered legion, whats a fun combo anybody has tried? I've been thinking about a night lord/alpha legion mix.

At that, what is the trollest unit to take with AL? The one that just fits well or worse, they use better.

>>51370409
>Temajin
>Kyublai Khan
Bit on the nose, innit?

>>51370725

But the top knots and fu manchus are fine, right?

>>51370725
What do you mean?
Also, Gengis Khan's real name was Temujin, and his grandson was Kublai Khan

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>>51370703
Watch out:
AL marines only get a Mutable Tactic if the warlord is an AL himself.
Pic related are all the combos I know.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)#Age_of_Darkness_Theme:_Shattered_Legions

>>51370332

White scars dislike dreadnoughts, that doesn't mean they don't have them. Same thing with grey knights later.

>>51370836

Huh? Mutable tactic is chosen when warlord traits are picked, there's no requirement for the warlord to have legion astartes (alpha legion)

>>51370788

"On the nose" meaning that the mongol influence has been replaced with shitty find-and-replace. The flavor overwhelms the meal.

Are we *SURE* FW isn't having BL write for them now?

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>>51371578
Well you say that, but I sort of don't believe you.

>>51371607
That bit is from an old white dwarf.

But I could see it applying to the legions. Maybe they'd form an angry gotta-go-fast grandpa league of vengeance.

I combine Cat and tart models and call it Raphaengelos-pattern terminator armour.

in fluff it's my expeditionary fleets praetor asking his Forge lord (Raphaengelos) to make him a special suit of terminator armour for a specific campaign that required tactical flexibility. Before each mission the suits could have their power redirected to enhance different systems.

Irl it saves me from having to buy twice as many terminators. I just tell my opponent what kind of terminator plate I'm using before the game starts (cat or tart).

My friends get triggered at this because of armourautism. How triggered would you be /HHG/?

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>>51371988
I'm normally not triggered but when it comes to termies, especially since if you're combining all the bits they won't even all look identical I'd be pretty triggered.

>>51371716

Whoops, I was looking at just the base legion rules

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>>51371988

Who gives a shit?

The real question is who would be triggered if I had a squad with some Tartaros and some Cataphractii and some Indomitus in matching suits, but I say they are Cataphractii in some games and Tartaros in others.

>>51371988
>How triggered would you be /HHG/?
Gib pics

>>51363050
Holy shit that picture.
What book is that?

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Helmeted rage machine anyone?

>>51371988
Wouldn't say anything but internally I'd be pretty triggered tbqh

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>>51372059
>Ask and you shall receive

>>51372160
Good job anon. I would have chosen Mk5 for FULL ANGRY

>>51372160

Goddamn, bro. Thin your fucking paints.

Not even memeing. Thin them.

>>51358415
What helmet did you use?
Mk1 Crusade armour from FW, the regular kit?

>>51372260
not OP, but it's been said before
DG Contemptor head, with GS to add height.

>>51372222
Left to right;
Hurts my soul, doesn't look that bad, and I didn't even notice that it was different until I wrote this.

>>51372222
That middle one looks ridiculous with those shoulders

>>51372222
Shit, trash, tolerable. I assume these are shitty recasts, judging by all the mold lines, artifacting and your lack of hesitation to butcher your kits.

>>51367796
>white scars
>dreadnoughts
you wot m8

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>>51370332
I want this meme to disapear but It Will Not Fucking Die

>>51372666

You tell 'em, Satan.

>>51372160
Angron's the only one who I would accept without a helmet. I get the feeling that he's the guy that bites in a fight

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>>51372666
>666

>>51372666
What is that helmet on the dude in the foreground? Looks like MkII, but can't find anything like it.

>>51372666
Index Astartes disagrees.

>>51373064
>"He [Mortarion] demanded that they be able to function and fight in almost any kind of atmosphere, and gave little emphasis on specialised units using jump packs or bikes. In fact, the Death Guard did not have dedicated Assault and Tactical squads as such; all his Space Marines were expected by Mortarion to be equally adept with bolter, pistol and close combat weapon, to fight with whatever weapon circumstance dictated."

Sounds almost like all DG should have been able to use jump packs and bikes, rather than they barely use any.

I have just discovered that if I get myself some plasticard and a set of optics (Actually buying a Forge World Knight head, maybe) I should have all the parts I need to build a Vulturax counts-as for the Biologis. Anyone who has one and can measure it? Obviously needs to be about the right size. Length, width, height and base size would be excellent.

>>51372222
They could be quite good, as lore wise, power armour is mix-match, but they need A LOT of touching up first.
Clean the chainfist, remove mold lines, lower shoulders, add more colour and detail, and remove the hair stuck to the one on the right.

New thread, with extra rolls

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>>51372799
There's a bit in the Butcher's Nails audiobook where he gets shot in the face and he wonders if it split his face open to the bone, then just shrugs it off because he's had his face blown open before and it'll probably happen again.

I don't think he does helmets.

>>51369847
If halfway counts so traitors get half of a plastic Dreadclaw.

>>51358415
that mini is hot fire , why does he have a peice of a railway track on his leg?

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>>51363050
Bolter Custodes WHEN?

>>51372799
He headbutts in Lord of the Red Sands IIRC.