Pathfinder General /pfg/

This is a good general.
I approve.

>>51346501
Didn't Jolly say it was fine to take down Legendary Kineticists 2 because it was at the closing stages of development?

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What's your favorite set of feat tax rules?

>>51346673

I like the one in the pastebin. Mammoth in the room or what ever it is called.

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Reasking this

>>51344912
>Anyone else here back the Interface Zero 2.0 for PF on Kickstarter? Any ideas on when we're supposed to be getting the PDF of it?

>>51346688
Which one? There is no mammoth in there

>>51346688
Same

I hope this doesn't devolve in "bad house rules because *blank" shit posting

>>51346673
I want one that just gives a set of free feats instead of changing around how everything works. It'd be way easier to keep track of, you know?

>>51346673
Mostly the compression ones.
>Vital Strike is now one scaling feat
>TWF is now one scaling feat
>PA/DA have always been one scaling feat
>Crossbow damage is upped one size category across the board, without counting as a virtual size increase, so as to not block actual virtual size increases.

>>51346688
My main gripe about Elephant in the Room is that it doesn't go far enough in one or two places: the biggest example is merging precise and point blank shot instead of just giving everyone precise shot.

As it is, it still means anyone who wants to use ranged attack rolls still has it as a mandatory pick, even if they don't want to further invest in archery.

>>51346782

Does that fix crossbows? Would it be okay to just treat them as bows?

>>51346746

This one http://michaeliantorno.com/feat-taxes-in-pathfinder/

>>51346778
Well my current GM has the following ones without changing how a single feat works:
>Power attack, deadly aim, that close ranged feat that gives you bonuses at close range (can't remember the name), combat expertise, piranha strike and TWF (all versions) are free if you meet the prequisites for them

Me thinks that this one's pretty good.

What are some ways one can reverse the aging process, either permanently or temporarily, and what levels are they possible at? It needs to be something that's got a long duration if it isn't permanent and it has to be a physical change, not an illusion of some kind.

I have a game coming up and I want to play a nasty old crone witch that constantly brags about her former beauty, and eventually turns into a babe with huge tits.

>>51346890
Lymnieris' obedience at level 16+ can reverse aging at will with a touch attack.

Reincarnate always brings back the creature as a young adult of their new race.

>>51346890

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/a/age-resistance

>>51346890
Threefold Aspect.

>>51346821
It doesn't fix them for standard usage. A crossbow sniper will want to build differently. What it does is make the size-up path a lot more effective.

"They're just bows" tends to annoy a lot of people (often paizotards but also folks who'd want a different weapon or they'd just have taken a bow).

>>51346890

Sun Orchid Elixir! Sun Orchid Elixir!

It's expensive as FUCK though, I'm talking 20,000 or 50,000 gp a vial.

>>51346751
MUH DEX FAVORITISM

>>51346961
>This spell does not cause you to look younger,

another one before I forget:
Anyone who claims to be proficient in polearms and can't adjust their grip (and thus their effective reach) as PART of their attacks and parries isn't actually proficient. If you're not at -4 to attack with it because you're not sure how it works, you FUCKING GET TO TOGGLE ITS REACH as long as you're attacking, readying it or otherwise using it this round. FUCK.

>>51346955
Also, cyclic reincarnation is a level 6 druid spell that works like reincarnate, except you always come back as the same race and always look very similar to your original appearance but adjusted for the new age.

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>>51346973
>want a different weapon or they'd just have taken a bow).

I know this feel.

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>>51346501

SO how Zen is your character /pfg/?

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>>51347048
There occasionally.

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>>51347048
Yogi Berra Tier

>>51347048
Not very. He's the kind of guy to bite his nails over his goddamn dinner choices.

Anyone have that new Asian Spell Compendium that Legendary Games released recently?

>>51347146
fug that, give me the Asian Archetypes: Martial. need to see what stuff got changed from the playtest stuff

>>51347048

Good god, Onryou has a lot of hair

>>51347048
Desnan, so not very.

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>>51347048
The thing about life is it's all about perspective. Life might not be the great high-adventure that you heard stories about, but with a poor attitude like that, they never will be.

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>>51347048
Ambition is a big part of who he is and his worldview--so pretty much the opposite of Zen.

>>51347218
>The thing about life is it's all about perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1xxqPE4I4g

>>51347189

Its like she's got a carpet growing out of her head!

>>51347243
Well... it's more like...

https://youtu.be/DHSwvtHFsOU

How do you feel about ioun stones?

>>51347304
With hands.

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>>51347048
Very

>>51347304
mostly feelings.

> player is running some multiclass armiger / swashbuckler build
> had 20-something AC at level one
> can boost it to high 30s
> has rolled max Hp on every hit die so far
> smokes opium for extra temp hp
> other players have been unravelling some of the rules he missed
> I am trying to run campaign so I can't always pay attention
> end up having to balance encounters around him
> also uses shittons of fireworks to blind enemies, which is actually kind of cool
> combats are frustrations
> start using spellcasters as enemies
> turns out he has combination of mettle and evasion
> party is regularly defeating encounters 3 and 4 levels above them
> rest of party are playing all sorts of weird splatbook characters
> one is a homebrew race which I approved thinking I'd include in the worldbuilding
> worldmap I made is too large and I already hate the setting I made
> want to delete it and do Epic 6 and start with just a couple towns again

I am planning a TPK.

>>51347344
>Can't handle a swashbuckler
Lol

>>51347304
I think ioun stones are cool as a concept and I like their interaction with wayfinders, but I don't like that there's an ioun stone for basically everything, including replacing feats.

>>51347344
>1974+43
>rolling hp

>>51347386
>Replacing feats
Like what?

>>51347436
Some of them give feats. It's mostly just stuff like a proficiency or endurance though.

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>>51347048

He's got his on days and off days, same as anyone.

>>51347379
Just have someone steal his sword or something.

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If something with spell resistance imbibes an extract or is a willing target of it, does it proc the Spell Resistance?

>>51347573
You can voluntarily lower spell resistance.

>>51347573
A creature can voluntarily lower its spell resistance. Doing so is a standard action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity. Once a creature lowers its resistance, it remains down until the creature's next turn. At the beginning of the creature's next turn, the creature's spell resistance automatically returns unless the creature intentionally keeps it down (also a standard action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity).

A creature's spell resistance never interferes with its own spells, items, or abilities.

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>>51347189

She could theoretically use her hair as a blanket

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Alchemist throwing a smoke bomb still does full damage, right?

>>51347634
Yes. The smoke is just in addition.

>>51347599
>>51347600
Well yea, but it has to blow a standard action on lowering its SR, which means it can't drink an extract. Bloody hell this is shitty.

>>51346874
So, any of the "take an attack penalty to get X for the turn" feats are automatically gained if you meet the prerequisites? Sounds like a good thing to me, trying to get Combat Expertise or Martial Power on a character is annoying.

>>51347048
Fairly high amounts of zen, since her mind got jammed and filled with Eldritch Insight and her head's full of eyeballs.

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>>51347048
Not very.

So I hear Alchemist is the best class for tinker-type characters, even when guns get involved. But how can I get my Bomb effects into a bullet?

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Alright, now that he's actually gotten tapped for RotJR, I should probably work on making Corwin playable.

Sheet: http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1015013

Anyone got suggestions for me? Anything I'm overlooking or should be doing different?

>>51347687
You do know a creature can cast spells on themselves with needing to proc spell resistance right?
In theory, they couldn't use Infused extracts if they did not make it.
But they Could drink a potion, because drinking a potion is casting a spell that targets the drinker.

>>51347802

Alchemical Charges. There is a couple varieties

>>51347818
I'd suggest shifting some points from Knowledge to Perception, probably any knowledges that other PCs can cover.

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>>51347887
Ooh! I'll have to look into that, thanks!

Also, how screwed am I if I want to use my downtime to do something like building the party a small airship for personal use?

>>51347940

Depends on your DM. There is a downtime gods guide to downtime that is devoted to making an airship using the rules for just that in the pastebin!

>>51347818
Shouldn't he have 7 rounds of Archaeologist's Luck, not 9?

Either way, I'd say trade out Irrepressible for Carefully Hidden, a flat +1 is better until you can pick up a third level in Warlord for Force of Personality.

>>51347304
I like them for being "weird fantasy" in a way that's not Tolkein or anime.

>>51347802
The Explosive Missile discovery. Lets you basically staple a bomb onto a ranged attack.

>>51347802
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/alchemist/discoveries/paizo---alchemist-discoveries/explosive-missile

>>51347304
They're pretty cool, I just wish that there were even weirder versions of them.

>>51347979
>not Tolkein or anime
I don't understand?

>>51348049
He's saying he thinks they're a fun and original addition to a Fantasy setting.

>>51347940
>>51347959
Basically, Downtime boils down to this:
>put actual gold into constructing a building that generates Capital
>use generated Capital to increase your Capital production
>repeat until you generate enough Capital to craft an airship

>Character is Desnan
>Noted in the backstory that she has always been lucky in weird ways
>Party gets credit for a cheating gambling hall
>My character goes in first
>Roulette, all in for evens
>Even with the cheating it's the same number
>Cash in and leave
>"Hah, anybody can do that" declares another character
>All in on even
>No dice
>Be only one to come out of this with a profit
Has luck ever roleplayed for you?

>>51346673
Tax Exempt: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IT47F8KrUddFT4PxuhozLA6XM41tPItYI0kJKNKzFpk/edit?usp=drivesdk

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Who wants in on semi-lewd Legacy of Fire where miniature Al-Qadim replaces Katapesh?

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/67321/legacy-of-blood-and-flame

>>51348279
>lewd

Pass

>>51346976
I have a secret plan to convince the DM to let me acquire some of this but I'm not sure he's going to go for it, which is why I brought it up here.

>>51346967
Nice, this looks like it might be the ticket.

>>51346961
That won't work, it doesn't make you look any different.

>>51348279
What day are you planning on running?

Do any archetypes switch a druid's casting stat?

>>51348481
No.

I've been tapped to play a variant homebrew of pathfinder based on final fantasy, does anyone have any familiarity with these rules?
http://www.finalfantasyd20.com/ffd20/index.html

I was going to play a viera astrologist.

>>51348481
Fey Speaker

Frankly, I don't see why you would want to. Wis is the best casting stat unless you can get Con.

>>51348481
Feyspeaker changes it to Charisma.

>>51348491
None that I know of.

>>51348503
>best casting stat unless you can get Con
RIP Witch Doctor, taken too soon.

>>51348503
>Wis is the best casting stat

I cant hear you over all of my skill points

>>51348503
>>51348504
I'm working with a new player who likes druids and emberkin aasimar.

>>51348502

No familiarity whatsoever. Have fun, though.

>>51348552
Any int caster or anything that can BECOME an int caster gets 2 ranks per level. You're still pitiful compared to anything better than that.

>>51348552

you would hear him if you had a decent wis score for your perception check.

>>51348552
I can't here you over my fat fucking will save and the sound of you smoking cock when you get dominated.

If you're not planning on crafting items, Int is pretty much just fluff. Yeah skill points are fun but most of that shit is going into knowledge anyway.

I did something horrible and monstruos this sunday.

>>51348476
Possibly either Saturday or Sunday, but it depends on what works best for the applicants chosen.

>>51348568
>>51348576
>>51348584

>he doesnt take contingency

Oh wait. Wis casters dont get that one.

>>51348648
That's not a function of Spell-lists not casting stats and is only on the Wizard/Sorc list.

I.e Only Wizards and Arcanists.

You're still missing Witches, Alchemists, Psychics, Psions, Tactitons, any Int sphere caster and more.

>>51348648
>laughing_wandering_lore_spirit_shaman.jpg

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>>51348715
>Shaman
>Laughing ever

>>51348705

>implying any of those classes matter

Enjoy your T3

>>51348648
>Empyreal bloodline sorcerer

>>51347802
That's not a fucking tank you sci-fi shitweed!

Tanks have treads and they have manned turrets! That's a jeep with a laser on it!

>>51348733
>Alchemists
>Psions
>Sphere casters
>Not good as fuck

>>51348629
Sunday I could more than likely do. Thoughts on Half-Giants?

>>51348726
>shaman
>ever not laughing
>>51348733
>witch
>T3

So what games are currently recruiting on /pfg/? I haven't been around for a month and am interested in something more casual and door-busty.

>>51348615

Was it worth it?

>>51348770
They're not actually large-sized, and not completeley OP, so they're good.

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>>51348828
>not completeley OP
Must just be coincidence that people on /pfg/ are always clamoring to play one.

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>>51348903

I prefer humans.

>>51348828
>>51348903
Yeah, don't you know that every half-giant is a OD/ZS Warder with Broken Blade and a custom weapon?

Go look at the RotJR applications. Like, one half-giant. What people really want to play is humans.

What's everyone's favorite races to play?

Do you have a ranking list or just a few major ones?

I find myself sticking to the following:
>human
>dwarf
>goblin
>hobgoblin
>half-orc
>orc

For the most part. In the past besides these I have tried a tiefling, tengu, and changeling.

>>51348754
How the fuck do you know that barrel doesn't shoot solid projectiles? How do you know it's not manned on the inside?

And that front section is clearly a tread, you dickwaffle, it just has wheels at the back too.

Also, who the hell are you to judge what is and isn't a tank?

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>GM buddy says PoW classes "are too strong at early levels" and so he won't allow them ever
>won't allow Psionics because they're "just bullshit", if I ask him to elaborate he ignores me avoids answering. (The only time we've dealt with psioncs was when we had a dickbag asshole in our group doing save-or-get fucked spells every round and another time when I played a Tactician which didn't go well because I was still slightly new to PF and had no idea what I was doing)
>meanwhile our Ranger is doing up to 90 damage a round, killing everything by himself while being basically invincible because nothing can get to him through us
>no one at all questions this but me
>mfw

I just want to have fun.

>>51348648
Contingency is a feat in SoP

>>51348279
>lewd

nah, also if you're the gm I'm disappointed on you for walking back on that

>>51348948
>>51348966
>humans

so /pfg/ does like overpowered races?

>>51348978
Bitch I play World of Tanks I know what I'm talking about don't talk smack to me.

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>>51348966
>Go look at the RotJR applications

Those still exist?

>>51349026

What can I say. Humans are the best.

>>51348984
GM your own game, make it psionics and PoW friendly, and when nothing goes wrong and everyone is cool with it talk to your GM about it

>>51347573

that's actually a confused anime christmas cake

>>51349033
If you had the link before the /lfg/ closed you can still view them.

There's a pbp that's recruiting some leftovers that ends tonight.

>>51349033
http://piratepad.net/kl8lVS8wmw

>>51349026
Yes.

>>51349070
Shit, I was planning on posting the lfg again.
https://app.roll20.net/join/1947924/cONjZw
Just have to post a link to your RotJR app and I'll look it over.

>>51349070
>>51349033
Also the waiting room is still up.

>>51348984
He's not Completely wrong with the "too strong, too early" bit, I have nothing against gms saying yeigh or neigh to Pow stuff, but to blanket ban Psionics is in the ignorant side.

Sorry man, the only way to change his mind is to show him. And because he's so against it, that means Being the GM for a few games to show him how wrong he is.

>>51349127

DMs don't "ban psionics" they /allow/ DSP's shitty houserules

>>51349114
>there's an accepted section now
Hey lookie dat

suddenly my chest hurts

>>51348502
Yeah, it was pretty bad. The balance wasn't really there (not surprising for d20), and a lot of the classes either on paper or in practice (usually the latter) just didn't FEEL right either, though usually that was from how they were written into the system rather than the d20 system itself (surprisingly enough).

I got much better mileage out of FFRPG3e, and the 4th edition is actually pretty decent too. FFd6 had excellent feel and potential but needed a second balance-pass and has long been abandoned so that'll never happen.

>>51349246
You're an idiot, psionics were fine back in 3.5 and official. Are you just a Paizo-fanboy, so anything that isn't "Official Licensed Paizo (tm)" is automatically crap?

>>51349318
>ffd6 will never be updated

it hurts so much, anon

>>51349069
Tell me more.

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>>51349267
Hey if you're down with play by post we still have one shot left!

Not like we'll even make in into that but the odds are a hell of a lot better unless everyone makes a mad dash to apply in 4ish hours

Okay so folks:

Insinuator Antipaladin 2 or Divine Hunter Paladin 2 for a Medium build? Divine Hunter is better for ranged builds but Insinuator is morally flexible. Which one do I want?

If I do end up gestalting it, what Charisma-focused class would be good? I'm thinking of the following classes:

>Avenger Vigilante, for skillpoints, snagging full bab, combat feats, and proficiencies
>Stalker Vigilante for... stalker stuff
>Swashbuckler for delicious crits and rapier shit
>Bloodrager for URG SMASH FACE
>Mysterious Stranger Gunslinger for shooting people in the face... stylishly.

If Akashic or Path of War or Psionics are on the table, I do know that there's also these ones available.

>Wilder, BANG, shooting shit, good tier 3.
>Dread, BOO, SPOOKY SCARY SKELETONS
>Warlord, CHARGE, and face-smackyiness
>Zealot, for protecting shit
>Daevic, for... Daevic stuff. I don't know what the Daevic does.

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>>51349344
Wrong image.

>>51349344
>>51349366
Pbp was never really my thing
thanks anyway, hope you get in

>>51349319

Tactical Presence Warlord was fine back in 4e and official. Why the fuck won't my DM let me play one in Pathfinder?

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Campaign proposal:
>Players are young orphans whose home village was destroyed in a monster attack
>They must traverse a dangerous wilderness to find a safe haven.
>Poorly armed, poorly supplied, it's them against a cruel and unforgiving world.

What do you think, /pfg/?

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>>51349474

I don't want to see a cute lil thing like that get brutally torn apart by wild animals.

>>51349474
Play it in a different system. I've recommended it here before, but I'll do it again, Wildlings is a great systems for poorly supplied children adventurers in a big brutal world.

>>51349469
Because they're actual different systems, rather than a Third Party Attache? But if you're sucking Paizuri's cock all the way down to the base, I guess you can compare apples and oranges.

>>51349474
Sounds like PCs in FFXI and XIV.

>THESE LADYBUGS, MAKE THEM STOP, IT HURTS, OH GODS I'M DYING

>How did this merchant make it through that level 70 area alone and unharmed when we get partywiped at 50? Why isn't the merchant taking out the demon lords?

>>51349474
True Primitive Barbarian or Feral Child Druid desu

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>>51347979
>not Tolkein

>>51349474
Good idea, but not for Pathfinder.

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>>51349538

>Elrond is an anime character

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>>51349560
>Rankin and Bass
>Anime

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>>51349511
Don't worry anon! She made it out okay!

Now she's the one brutally tearing the monsters apart with a massive hammer.

Plus, I want to play a game with adorable, heartwarming orphans exploring the ruins of fallen civilizations as they slowly make their way to a safe haven.

>>51349520
Eh, if I were to run it in anything else, it'd be a supers system so each of the kids could have a gimmicky ability that helps the group make it through the wilderness.

>>51349469
Because they're actually different systems. 4e and 3.X are incompatible, 3.5 and PF are pretty much just shuffling around the numbers while the mechanics are the same.

IE, you're a fucking idiot whose strawman argument didn't work.

>>51349560

Fucking triggered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y30LAj502mY

>>51349589
I'm pretty sure that cartoon was made in Japan, so technically yes.

>>51349677
Last Unicorn had Topcraft working on it, but I dunno about the other Rankin-Bass stuff.

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>>51349626
Anon, Wildlings is a system where each character embodies 5 spirits in different strengths, working as a team to compensate for each others weaknesses.

is avowed as fun as warlock was?

>>51349830
Yes, which is to say not at all.

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>>51347048
We interrupt this thread to give you an important update.

RotJR has been doing math. Apparently Onryou has 23.25 pounds of boob.

Back to your regularly scheduled programing.

>>51349830
Better arguably, since you aren't stuck only getting 12 abilities total over your career, plus you aren't automatically chained to the fluff of "made a deal with demons/devils to get blasting power".

>>51349882
>months to come of this meme bullshit

Just end me.

>>51349882
Wait, is the game going on right now? Tell us what's happening!

>>51349911
It's not going on yet. Starts next week I think.

>>51349955
What day?

>>51349995

Friday for Group A

Saturday for Group 1

>>51350007
Well that pretty much confirms my app didn't get in because it wasn't good enough. Fuck.

>>51349830
Way better.
Your pulse (eldritch blast) has way more shapes and they're upgradeable. These shapes are also gained separately from your clauses (invocations) though their modulations (the stuff like fire blast, rime blast, acid blast, 70s porn jazz blast) are in the regular clauses, though more numerous as well.

The pacts are closer to the 5e packages than the 4e "this alters ability X" ones; that is to say each pact offers the following:
>A sense type
>Level 1/4/8/12/16/20 abilities
>A choice of one of two pulse shapes (this now reads as "one of your first two must be from one of these two" as the table now states we start with two, but before it was "you get 1, plus one of these two")
>Two class skills (although a lot of them are knowledges or the such)

The power is your own; your patron (like a demon or a dragon), partner(the first one introduced was an otyugh), beloved, deity (lot of options eh?) or yourself (esoteric pacts) did either teach you the basics or fire off the initial spark that flared your abilities to life, and as such while they have no control over what happens next what they/it was DOES shape some of what they'll become.

If a Demon wants you to do stuff, it'll be as a questgiver with rewards, not as a threat of "falling". It might also be your great-grandma or something; perhaps one of your parents was a tiefling even if you're thinned out to regular human. Most patron avowed aren't first-generation anyways by sheer weight of time; once that power's awoken, your great-grandkids might still get those blue dragon powers appearing in the bloodline every once in a while.

Mechanically, there's weapon-booster pulse shapes if you really wanna optimize well, otherwise you'll do okay if you pick carefully, but will otherwise mostly be second-line, like how a bard can be good in a fight, rather than how a paladin can be good in a fight.

>>51349882
> ywn wake up to a pair of 23.25 bound red breasts, face resting softly between them after a long night of passion.

End me.
the irc I assume? Are people not in the game still chilling/bullshiting in there? Will it become it's Own casual hang out at this point?

How different would the game be if plate cost 90 gold?

>>51350007
Sigh

Who is who? I missed the memo.

>>51350086
Last time I showed up it pretty much became a place for general /pfg/ game stuff vs general pf stuff like the irc. Things like this do tend to become communities in their own right though, it's human nature.

>>51350114
Friday Group is - Saboten, Astor and Tia, Quinn, Sweettooth, Etan, Rubio
Saturday Group is - Seht, Casimir, Corwin, Onryou, Aranha, Valeriya

>>51350127
And Seht is getting pushed for Onryou's prince. Comes with a free white horse.

>>51350086

yeah people are still hanging out in #RotJR However there is a special IRC for the people who actually got in.

>>51349114
Well shit, don't suppose you still have character creation rules?

>>51350182
Needs more spider.

You need a lot of hands to handle all that woman.

>>51350208
level 3 gestalt, DSP, SoP, Gonzo 2, Forrest/Jolly, 25 PB, http://theworldissquare.com/feat-taxes-in-pathfinder/, some other stuff probably, and RotJR WAS RECRUITING FOR 3 MONTHS HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE A CHARACTER!?

>>51350198
>special one for the ones that got in

Figured as much, that's what the players will actually be using instead of the d20 chat after all. It'd be weird if it was all in a Public irc.

>>51350254
I don't browse pfg regularly.

>>51348976
Honestly I go with what benefits my build most, and then come up with the story that makes it fit.

Which usually means boring Human because they're so damn good.

>>51350127
The only one here I'm honestly kinda salt about is
>saboten
Because wasn't that one pretty much just
>half tian prostitute got told by Calindra to go to Sandpoint
And nothing else? Or am I mixing characters up. Dude may have filled stuff in but last time I checked it was just bare-bones bullet points.

Does Xhamen-Dor get boons and an obedience in What Grows Within?

>>51350309
Honestly anon, and I'm not trying to be mean, but I think your time might be better spent on another campaign that's not closing so soon.

>>51348976
Man we are really in-sync. I dig those races too. I kinda want to play an Oggr, if only because it's Orc++.

>>51346501
are these roll20 LFG campaigns all lewd ERP shit or can I join without being worried about five creeps looking to fuck each other via text? Obviously the first one is but what about the rest?

>>51350361
Eh, I can have a character up in an hour or two. Might as well try my luck.

>>51350375
Sleepy Goddess is likely going to be five creeps looking to braid each others hair.

>>51348976

>human
>fetchling
>wayang
>ifrit

>>51350309
>>51350361
Yeah, it closes on Monday so you have like 2 hours to take care of things.

Then again that could be morning as in 12 or at the end of the day Monday.

>>51350387
Godspeed anon.
>>51350405
Basically it's whenever I close it tomorrow. It hasn't exactly been hopping, so probably noon.

I'm putting together a fairly open campaign for some inexperienced 2nd-level players. Any suggestions to keep things interesting? The last campaign we played through was Hollow's Last Hope and for the most part they found it pretty boring.

>>51350493
Yes.

>>51350512
Fuck, I meant Fractional BAB/Saves, not Variant.

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>>51348976
Just a few
>Half-Elf
>Half-Orc
>Humans that actually have ethnicities and cultural differences
>Ratfolk
>Kobolds
>Tengu
>Oreads
Though to be perfectly honest, even though I like these races, I usually find their design and appearence to be awfully dull and boring, especially the beast race

I honestly kinda wish the races were more hodge-podge and unique looking than just either "anthro animal" or "rubber-forhead humans"

>>51350325
Hey, I'm amazed I got in too, man. Though, she was not "told" by anyone to go to Sandpoint, she was driven out of the church that raised her because of her delving into lore that the Nethite Priest there deemed forbidden. Though she's not a prostitute, she's a devout Calistrian Priestess, a role that just so happens to double as (Sacred) Prostitute.

>>51350521
Yes, that's in effect too.

>>51349830
I don't know much about the old Warlock, but I want to play an avowed and I don't even like casting classes.

Jolly around? You know if custom NPCs for Spheres of Might backers become a Drop Dead Studios IP or is the IP retained by the backer/author?

So I keep thinking of what to design for Pendragon Institute and have settled on wanting guns. Problem is I am having a lot of issues designing his backstory.

I can't figure out what the game is about and I don't feel like I have enough information to build a satisfactory backstory.

>>51350674
Apparently it's basically RWBY. Go to school to learn how to fight giant monsters, fight giant monsters, relax in your dorm.

>>51350674
What other anon said. Go read the wiki.

>>51346973
Crossbows are worse than bows because they're simple weapons as opposed to martial weapons.

>>51350674
Did you pm the gm or post a question?

>>51350674
Also under pendragon institute's rules my revolvers do 1d8+13 before I begin adding maneuvers into the mix. I'm not sure if they were intended to be this strong.

>>51350704
Wait I thought it was "like" RWBY, not actually RWBY.

hey folks is this a reasonable houserule in a game where the only vancian spellcasters are gonna be the Occult casters (because occult magic is /weird and ritualistic/) and alchemy-users?

>Instead of gaining spellcasting off the Inquisitor, Unchained Summoner, Wizard, or Witch spell lists, a vigilante with an archetype that grants access to one of these spell lists can choose to instead gain manifesting, gaining the same number of power points and powers known, and maximum power level as a Psychic Warrior of the same level, and their choice of either the Cryptic, Dread, Psychic Warrior, or Psion/Wilder power lists to choose powers from. Once they make this choice, it cannot be changed.

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>>51350622
Here's Adam's response to me:

"Technically they'd become our IP as far as the paizo licensing is concerned (so other books couldn't copy them out), but if someone wants to hold onto the rights to their character that's fine, we just have to know about it to stick it in the agreement at the beginning of the book."

>>51350732
You also don't hit against touch anymore, so there's that.

>>51350732
They specifically no longer target touch, you just get "Highest Mental Stat" to damage automatically, or that's the intention.

>>51350746
Heavily inspired by.

If the backstory would work in RWBY, it probably just needs a few tweaks to work in Pendragon.

>>51350793
>>51350797
Yeah but they're using Tax Exempt which means you can get Dex and Highest Mental Stat to damage with Marksman.

>>51350470
please respond

>>51350470
>>51350858
Depends
Looking for AP suggestions or cool campaign ideas?

>>51350552
>she's not a prostitute, she's just a [...] prostitute

ok

>>51350905
Cool campaign ideas for sure. They weren't thrilled with the pre-made campaign and I feel like I'd have an easier time DMing a campaign I put together myself.

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>>51351066
Slayers.

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>>51351088
These Slayers?

>>51350967
So, if you guys want to stick to Golarion.
Find the Golarion-Map-2400 and pick a spot, read up on it, and run with it from there.

For none a Golarion game, think of a concept that sounds like it would be fun for your group. Sky pirates, Planer Travelers, or maybe a good ol' School built around Adventure and Protecting the helpless.
I don't know what you or you're group thinks a fun adventure is, you do.

>>51351066

Vigilante/Slayer/Rogue unless you want magic

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>>51351105
These Slayers.

>>51351121
>Golarion-Map-2400

http://www.mapsofgolarion.com/ ?

>>51350784

Gosh heckin' darn it why is Chrom so dashing even in defeat?

>>51351203
That one is slightly out dated, I Use to have that one on hand, but I noticed it was missing a city in the Region I based my campaign of off.

Example Aspenthar of Thuvia isn't on the one you shared.

http://kingsofkings.wdfiles.com/local--files/maps-golarion/Golarion-Map-2400.jpg
This one might be out dated at this point to, but it has more on it so it's the one I'm using.

>>51351121
My group doesn't know what they think a fun adventure is yet, I don't think. They seemed pretty lost the first time we played and I had to do a whole lot of leading them in the right direction because they had no idea what they were doing. I think they were somehow expecting everything to be even /more/ on rails than it was.

Being set in Golarion isn't really important at all, in fact I think it'd be easier to avoid a pre-existing setting like that entirely.

I had some ideas kicking around, but nothing super concrete. Mostly grand scheme stuff which isn't super helpful when thinking about a campaign for 2nd-level characters.

I wanted to run a campaign set within a destabilized kingdom being controlled by a cryptocracy of three lich goblins who pursued immortality in order to hoard wealth and control the public, but I have no idea how I'd even lead into that over multiple campaigns.

So I had a retarded idea for pendragon institute. What if I use dagger pistols in a vest to do combination mirthril current and tempest gale for retarded quick draw gung-fu.

>>51351300
>cryptocracy of three lich goblins who pursued immortality in order to hoard wealth and control the public
Is this supposed to be a allegory for something?

>>51351300
>no idea how to lead them into that.

Have them be locals in the city, look into and take notes from Curse of the Crimson Throne. The whole campaign is a 1 to 20 game that sticks to the city it's happening in and might help you with ideas if you want that "city in discord" kind of game.

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>>51351357
I wonder...

anyone got the healer's handbook

>>51348976
>Aasimar
>Elan
>Half-Elf
>Suli

>>51351394

Of course! It was the hand sanitizer industry all along!

>>51351357
:^)

>>51351372
>Curse of the Crimson Throne

That seems like it's very close to what I'm looking for. I'll check it out, thanks a lot.

>>51351357

I'll give you a hint.

It's the Rothschilds.

>>51348976
>human
>kobold
>tiefling
>lizardfolk
>elf
>elan

Elans are kind of my favorite, but I really wish somebody would write up more on their culture and physiology than "weird immortal secret society almost-humans".

>>51351066
>Brought the boom box
>Forgot their life vests
Things don't go well for them after that clip, do they?

>>51348976

>Human
>Aasimar
>Tiefling
>Half-Elf
>Lamia commoner

>>51351493
Forgot
>Wyveran
> Kobold
>>51348976

>>51351493
>tiefling
>lamia commoner

If only someone would combine these and make a marilith PC race.

>>51351466

Sure, it's a pretty good one.

>>51351531
That'd be cool...
But I don't have any homebrewing talent.

You'd think Marilith would have a heritage option for Tieflings because, er, well... Reasons.

Is there any reason to take Warpriest over Paladin? Also, I dont get the draw of Oradins. Don't you lose out in what makes both classes good?

>>51351766
Oradin is for healing without ruining your action economy

>>51351766
6th level casting, blessings, huge damage dice on tiny weapons for added hilarity. And no, you're getting team healing with no action expenditure from Oracle, and self-healing with swift actions from Paladin.

>>51351766
Warpriest doesn't have an alignment restriction, and it can actually cast

How do I Warder the best, /tg/?

>>51351808
OD/ZS, Destruction Blessing, Zenith Strikes.

>>51348976

>tfw no love for Shabti
Humans
Slyph
Fetchlings

>>51351880
>ZS
>yet another reason to not use an actual shield

I'm kind of sad. Is Weapon Trick the only way to use a two-handed polearm as a one-handed weapon?

>>51352038
No, there's a feat for it now, if I recall.

Shield Brace I think it was called?

Make it onehanded as long as you're suing a shield? Something like that.

>>51352065
Oh, damn, I forgot about that feat. That'd work perfectly for the build I'm working on. Now I'm just sad there's no ZS+DD variant that accounts for that.

>>51352038

Phalanx Soldier fighter lets you use nodachi one-handed

>>51352099
>Zweihander Sentinel
>Using a shield

You could just... be a normal warder? You don't HAVE to take ZS, you know.

>>51352038
>implying ZS is the reason a warder doesn't use a shield.

>>51352023
>ywn have an excuse to play a Shabti Mesmerist

>>51352118
But I like having reach, and I like having shields.

>>51352144
Then you... use a shield and a reach weapon?

Shield brace doesn't cut out the reach, anon. You just take the shield's ACP to your attacks, which is piss easy to make nothing.

What's the hangup?

Does Pathfinder handle dragons the same way 3.5 did? Chromatic are evil, metallic good and all that jazz?

>>51352215
It's more of a suggestion than in 3.5, but more or less, yeah.

Far as I can tell, it's just that certain types tend towards certain personalities, which results in certain alignments.

>>51352241

This. There is a red dragon the metallics say is much more reasonable than his kin

>>51352241
Okay. Does Pathfinder have any races descended from or related to dragons besides Kobolds?

>>51352273
Wyvarans?

>>51352279
That is significantly...scalier than I was looking for. Thanks, though.

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>>51352273
Wyvaran. In most games flight from level 1 will bother your GM too much, so you'll want to take Memories of the Forgotten to replace it with Knowledge bonuses.

>>51352348
>too scaly

What did you expect asking for dragon-related things, though? The closest in 3.5/4e/5e are Dragonborn, which are pretty scaly themselves.

>>51352363
>What did you expect asking for dragon-related things, though? The closest in 3.5/4e/5e are Dragonborn, which are pretty scaly themselves.

Honestly, I don't know. I was trying to come up with something that would tie in to Scaled Fist.

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>>51352348
>>51352273
>>51352382
What, are you trying to make a Granberia NPC?

>>51352398
Ha. I had forgotten about that game. I suppose something similar minus the tail. And perhaps more sultry than domineering.

>>51352382
Hmm
You sound like a man that likes flavor.
There is a dragon relate alternate race trait for Humans. It's not bad, but it replaces the bonus feat which is what a lot of people want from the race.

Pick it up, then fluff yourself out my man.

So I'm a bit unsure of what is and is not third party content.

Looking on the PFSRD website, it has lists labeled "Third Party Races/Classes". But then I see people treat stuff that's not in one of these lists as third party if it's not core/base.

Basically, are Lizardfolk (standard race, 8 RP) and Occult classes all non-3rd party? Actually, is everything on this page non-3rd party?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/

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>>51352382
Ah, so you're looking for something more like this, then?

>>51352486
Look at the book listed at the bottom of literally every entry.

>>51352486
The SRD has 3pp content in it, and it's not always clearly marked. If in doubt, check the source at the bottom of the page.

Lizardfolk and occult classes are both 1st party though yes.

Someone link me the sleeping goddess roll20 page?

I thought I had it bookmarked but it seems I didn't.

>>51352486
They will link a source at the bottom of the page. You can check if it's 3rd party from there.

HVGM here.

Can't wait till Tuesday, for session two.

>>51352487
Does that tiny dragon have tiny glasses?

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>>51352539
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66858/the-sleeping-goddess

>>51352487
he might not be but I sure as he'll am

>>51352556
Yup. And a tiny piece of meat.

>>51352501
>>51352529
>>51352542

Awesome, thanks!

So I often have enormous family trees for my character, and insert a few people with PC levels into that tree.

How much do you personally frown upon this?

My family trees often contain between 30 and 40 members. I normally actually make the chart to show the GM.

>>51352560
Thanks.

>now up to three cats, three vamps, and a fucking furry
Never fails.

>>51352487
Definitely closer to what I was going for. What was that halfbreed book that talked about what racial features you could expect to exhibit?

>>51352555
[Hype]

>>51351595
Honestly, I think it'd be pretty cool to have Demon, Daemon, and Devil subspecies of tiefling that break it down into each individual type of fiend. So, Maralith-blooded are different from Imp-blooded, from Glabrezu-blooded, from Erinyes-blooded.

>>51352632
>tfw my character idea was a nightmare/dream eater hag-like changeling
>accursed bloodline eldritch heritage, all the hag bloodline feats, dreamweaver witch archetype

Well I really don't want to join now honestly, it looks really bad and my character definetly wouldn't fit.

>>51352622
Depends. For most characters it isn't necessary. I have come up with family trees for playing minor nobles. Also the one time I played a still good aligned fallen Paladin.

GUYS

GUYS HOLY SHIT

Can we talk about how Paizo came out with something genuinely awesome for once?

Oracle Curse: Covetous (Legacy of Dragons)

Covetous: You find yourself drawn to the luster of wealthy living. You must wear fine nonmagical clothing and jewelry worth at least 50 gp + 100 gp per character level you have beyond 1st. If you do not have sufficient wealth to purchase this additional equipment, you feel a strong desire (but are not compelled) to sell existing items or steal from others to obtain it. You are sickened whenever you do not meet this requirement; you are also sickened for 24 hours after anything worth 25 gp � your character level or more is taken from you against your will. Use Magic Device becomes a class skill for you. At 5th level, you gain a +4 insight bonus on Appraise checks, Spellcraft checks to identify magic items, and Use Magic Device checks. At 10th level, you add fabricate to your list of spells known. At 15th level, you add half your oracle level to your CMD against steal APG combat maneuvers and to the DC of Sleight of Hand checks to take items from you.


This actually forces dramatic change in character appearance as your character becomes more powerful.

I'd probably bump up the rate at which it increases, I'd probably bring it up by a multiple of ten or so, since 600 gp clothes are basically nothing at level 20.

The other effects of the curse are meh, interesting but whatever.

This effect seems like a great way to make someone really focus on what their character looks like, imagine what a lewd Wizard would look like walking around in 60,000gp clothes, just fucking flaunting it.

>>51352684
I realize I said Wizard there, I'm high.

But i think my point stands.

>>51352647
Man, that'd be pretty cool.

But I can see why that hasn't happened. That's quite a task. Maybe.

>>51352684
I noticed that there were curses for most of the seven deadly sins. Nothing for lust though, sadly.

>>51352684
What about an Oracle with the Bone mystery? Would this person be decked out in the skeletons of ancient dragons, dead gods? What would an outfit made of bones, worth more than a castle, look like?

>>51352647
>Glabrezu-blooded
Crab Claws and Eye Stalks are part of the appearance d100 chart for tieflings.

I LOVE having my players roll on that chart.

>>51350784
Damn, that was my last reservation about pledging $150. Now I can only use the cost to dissuade myself.

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>>51352717
You do find a book in one of the Great Houses that mentions that bonemold IS made from actual bone.

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>>51352731
You just gotta talk with Adam about it all, and he'll include something else in the agreement that says you're free and in the clear to use it yourself, so it's not really gonna be a big hassle.

>>51352734
If I recall, it went like

>We need armor
>Okay here's all our armor
>We need more armor
>Okay we melted down all the metal in the castle
>We need more armor
>Okay, we made armor out of the bones of the slaves who've starved to death and we ate because we've been under siege for fucking months.

And then the dude went out himself in his shiny new bonemold armor because there was literally nobody else left and he lasted for quite a while before dropping dead.

>>51352747
Stop tempting me into funding your project, you turbo-jerk!

How can I gain Darkvision as filthy humie scum?

>>51352800
Dimdweller.

>>51352800
Pretty sure there's an alternate racial trait for that.

>>51352747
You have an iconic punch-girl for SoM, right?

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>>51352872
She's not drawn yet, but yes; she is literally the entire reason the Striker class was written.

>>51352567
Do tell.

>>51352762
Yup. That's the one.

>>51352798
You're DHB aren't you? That's a hefty amount of autism there.

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>>51352916
Could you make a weapon like this fist powered fister using your new book?

>>51352820
Where in Golarion would a dim dweller be from?

>>51352948
Dragonborn somehow gave me nostalgia for a game I've never played.

>>51352972
Probably a cave, eating fish.

>>51348568
Not at all, Wizards end up with the highest skill point total by the end of the game because stat boosts give retroactive skill points, including enhancement bonuses that are kept on for 24 hours.

>>51352972
Ustalav, Nidal, Mwangi Expanse.

>>51350713
>Kill this man. Starting with his family.
>Make him watch

The difference is about a point of damage normally. An attack, additional feat requirements, and an entire stat to damage, are not worth a feat. It's not even a feat anyways, it's roughly a trait at most on average between simple and martial weapon users.

Even then, the exotic crossbows (exotic weapons are better than martial weapons because they require an additional feat has often been touted, as false as it often is) are not only still worse than the bows, they're even worse than the crossbows two rungs down.

If "because it's mechanical" - probably your next disgusting claim from the short list of ever-repeated bullshit by the fuckwads who've been sucking d20's cock about this ever since they got convinced that things like againcourt was won by longbows and not by shit tactics, weather and a literally uphill battle (the archers got plenty of kills.... with their melee weapons) - then bows, which are ALSO mechanical, shouldn't get strength to damage either anyways. Nor should any kind of lever or spring action such as one might find on, say, a sword, or a flail.

>>51352975
I played Morrowind back when it first came out. Such a great game. The GotY edition is only 15 bucks on Steam. And all you really need to play it on modern machines is OpenMW. Though there are other mods out there to make it look more like a modern game, I like just using OpenMW for that "pretty much vanilla" experience.

So I've settled upon this degenerate build for Pendragon game:

>Base Mystic
>because guns are a simple weapon I can just go with them without needing to be gunsmoke mystic
>Veiled Moon
>Tempest Gale
>Mithril Current
>Have a Armored Coat filled with 12 Dagger Pistols
>Using quickdraw I can draw and fire pistols during my attacks and drop them each time (no need for rapid reload)
>teleporting gun wielding dagger attacking bullshit

I watched some clips from RWBY to try and understand it and this was the build I came up with to fit? Does it work?

I also planned on the character being highly religious, but am unsure if this really fits with RWBY.

>>51353130
That sounds pretty cool to me.

But... you're going to run into problems once everyone's expected to have enchanted weapons.

>>51353130
Funny, it wasn't really something I noticed 'till recent episodes, but religion wasn't really much of a thing in RWBY--now we're finally getting a creation myth, and I do kind of find it makes sense that most people don't feel all that religious since the growth of actual civilization seems to be such a relatively recent event.

1-5: Adventurer
5-10: Conquerer
10-15: King
15-20: God

I may have had a flash of insight. Instead of a human who is actually related to dragons, what if I go with a tiefling who pretends to be part dragon to allay suspicions?

>>51353165
I have a plan for once enchanted weapons are a thing. It involved magic item creation however. If that doesn't work I switch to dagger revolvers (and ask if that works).

>>51353188
See that's the problem. I planned for a character who was fanatically religious. Pucci level of fanaticism.

>>51353188

Religion predates civilization

>>51352632

Who's the 3rd vamp?

>>51353236
Religion necessitates people acting as groups, and having questions about the world they can't answer, thus resorting to religion to explain them.

>>51353236
Beliefs and rituals can, but organized religion? That requires something a little more than a village that might not last through the next week and wandering bandits.

>>51353328
>>51353261
Don't the people in RWBY live in giant city states?

>>51353328

>Village

Religion predates settlement

>>51353328
religion goes back before people invented agriculture, before permanent settlements or anything else

religion is as old as humanity

>>51353381
Next you're going to claim that organized religion predates the concept of organization and orderliness.

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>>51353393
>Yes, we have evidence of religion predating anything that would allow people to make records of their religion.

>>51353333
Yes, that's my point--that's a relatively recent thing in the lore, whereas for before that and in any place outside the Kingdoms, people are limited to isolated villages, and as recently revealed, nomadic clans.

>>51353409
But anon! That one's shit!

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>>51353409
Only the strongest threads shall survive. And it looks like this one is winning.

>>51353417
Nothing here leads me to believe they wouldn't have religion.

>>51353415
m8 we have evidence of religious idols carved by fucking tribal bum fuckers

>>51353447
Tribalism is basic civilization, ya twat.

And how do we know they were religious?

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Friendly reminder that I will continue to make /pfg/ great again in the face of faggotry that wants it banned

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>>51353447

See this shit? It was built 12,000 years ago. Farming wasn't even invented yet, they hunted and gathered shit in the area then came back and built up their temple for a bit before leaving until next year.

>>51353566
Looks to me like civilization.

>>51353566
Okay, your argument holds up for the real world.

Now imagine that any negative emotions those people are feeling summons monsters, and any fear or dismay or anger felt while fighting those off just summons more.

And the monsters could be literally anywhere, even if you're all happy and content. And they're resistant to mundane weapons.

That's the kind of setting where your argument starts to look shaky.

>>51353627
M8, that's the kind of world where HUMAN DEVELOPMENT looks shaky.

A protobro feels kinda down because he couldn't find a protobeast to eat, and some fucking shoggoth crawls out of his brain and eats him.

>>51353669
Which is why Humans got magic powers to help them survive.

>>51353669
It's more like they can literally smell your fear, but yeah. That's the reason why, in hindsight, it makes sense RWBY would be unlikely to have organized religion being a thing.