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>>51324762

>>51324762
It was gone though, you failure, >>51324756
bumped it off the board.

>>51324762
Can I be a Witch (male)

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>>51324769

>>51324783
you didn't put cyoa in the title

>>51324784
No, but you can be a bitch (male).

>>51324753

>Look, mostly I'm just teasing you, but if you couldn't find a mentally sound attractive woman, you weren't looking very hard.

I read through all of them and either the art wasn't that good or they were a crazy pyromaniac

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>>51324789

>>51324797
Wasn't me. Also irrelevant to the issue.

SDA-chan, SDA-chan~~~

Instead of the swastika, you should swap out their patches for backwards swastikas. That way you can use smug animu grills to tell them that they aren't Nazis, while also triggering all the Jews!

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>>51324744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohdElJfseFo

>>51324814
They didn't properly title it which makes it annoying to find the thread, so just use this one.

>>51324805
>the only art I liked was a mostly naked woman with large breasts
Now I'm starting to think the problem here is at your end. Not all waifus are scantily clad bimbos.

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now time for the new, hard-to-read, super long cyoa

>>51324844
The other one is deleted, it doesn't matter.

>>51324857
Update when?

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>>51324857

>>51324797
You found it just fine.

>>51324844
How fucking dense are you? That's completely irrelevant to the issue. Nobody is talking about not using this thread. In fact, that thread was deleted even before you retardposted on this topic.

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>>51324848
>Now I'm starting to think the problem here is at your end. Not all waifus are scantily clad bimbos.

Ha HA, Little did you know that I can't usually stand bikini armor and prefer girls with proper armor

>>51324857
>>51324865
Seriously, save these as .jpgs, it'd save a lot of space considering how many colours there are and you could probably cut the number of pages in half by stacking them on top of each other.

>>51324875
Update... Probably never? I'm totally rebuilding it, so the next thing that comes out might be renamed and it'll be totally reformatted. There will be a lot of reusing art assets, but most other things will be changed.

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>>51324880

>>51324875
>>51324901
why do you guys think i'm the one who made it, i just quickly saved these to repost them

>>51324889
I'm not sure why you're so mad anon, please try to calm down.

>>51324918
I'm replying to you, Mr. Steward, in hopes the author sees my post.

>>51324926
Your confusion and lack of understanding is gratifying.

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>>51324918

>>51324931
NOTICE ME SENPAI >>51324830

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>>51324938

>>51324901
This was my first CYOA, so that's why fulcrum was in all png. I just didn't know jpgs are better for posting. Next version will probably be png for the original format, but jpg and pdf for the post format.

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>>51324960

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>>51324979

>>51324894
>proper armor

>no helmet
>long hair easy to grab

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>>51324998

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>>51325015

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>>51324894
Elf slave waht do?

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>>51324970
Do you use photoshop?

You can select the quality of compression when saving as a .jpg, which allows you to have more control on the size of the file.

With .jpgs, there -will- be artifacts, but it saves space. Generally you want to use .jpgs for really big resolutions and/or really colourful images due to how it compresses.

Use .pngs whenever you can, but usually only smaller CYOAs or ones with less colour would fit the 4chan image size limit.

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>>51325034

>>51325035
Oh boy I can't wait for five hundred more perfect daughteru builds.

>>51324999
Everyone knows knife ears can't wear helmets.

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>>51325051
Step aside!

>>51325038
I've been using krita to make the templates and plaques, gimp to add text, and occasionally mspaint to resize things because it's generally a lot faster if I'm just doing one function.

>With .jpgs, there -will- be artifacts, but it saves space. Generally you want to use .jpgs for really big resolutions and/or really colourful images due to how it compresses.
>Use .pngs whenever you can, but usually only smaller CYOAs or ones with less colour would fit the 4chan image size limit.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

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>>51325067

>>51324999

You know what I meant anon,

>>51325035

I don't know an I wish the author created a second page instead of scrapping those other ideas

>>51325055
You don't want a perfect daughteru? What kind of father are you?

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>>51325083

>>51325076
I think you might have the same control over .jpg compression on GIMP, although I wouldn't know. I don't use it.

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>>51325096
Also, sometimes 4chan bloats up .jpg sizes when saving them, so if you save these .jpgs, don't be surprised to find that you can't repost them later because of this.

No idea why it does this though. Not my problem when I post my own CYOAs--the other guys can figure it out themselves.

>>51325084
I think it's pretty complete other than suiting particular tastes like futa elves an male elves and orc elves there isn't much missing from it that wouldn't end up being repetitive.

I just wish it didn't look so much like the gentle femdom CYOA from a distance.

>>51324830
That's a strange idea. The swastika was originally designed as an inverse of an existing symbol, so you'd be taking it back to the wholesome roots.

>>51325096
you do

>>51325084
What other ideas?
Hardmode: Don't mention traps.

>>51325120
I think that's the point.

>>51324830
I'll mock up some designs later and we can collectively vote what we like.

>>51325146
>>51325146

He could have done other things like what work does our character do activities you do with your elf like going to the park picnic etc

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>>51325055
>Doesn't want a perfect daughteru

>>51324894
>boob plate
>skirt

Just admit that you like pretty things because they're pretty. It's a good reason to like things and she is very pretty.

>>51325179
I'm with >>51325119, it's complete. There's a "free time" option, you can use that for picnics.
>what work YOU do
This cyoa is about the elf slave (what do)

>>51324784
Witch can be all two sexes. They did burn male witches as well.

>>51324753
>Amanda Innington
She's sane and theoretically useful, but it says she'll run out on you when things are tough. A suicidal choice for you.
>Lyra Bowsung
Fair.
>Lady Galwen
Fair.
>Sadia Thornweaver
Fair.
>Aria Heldensvard
Tedious but sane, true.
>Pharah Nashag
She's a prostitute. What kind of loser waifus a prostitute?
>Lulu LeLanden
Useless. No more insane than a normal artist though.
>Kitiara Palandine
Fair.
>Zara
Sounds like a ho but I'll admit she's sane.
>Solaire Sister #1
>Solaire Sister #2
Fair
>Pellini "Sisters" #2
Sane, fair enough.
>Sigrun
She refuses to fight. That makes her pretty useless.
>Lilith Sulehammon
Complete sexist. Not sure why you think someone will pick her or think she's sane.
>Andreoma
She's actually useless, that's the point.
>Anne Smith
I can't find her.

Pretty good list, but I'd cut Anne, Andreoma, Lilith, Sigrun, Lulu, Pharah, and Amanda from it for the reasons above.

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>>51325157
It should be a skull on top of a flaming sword.

>>51325038
>SDA suggesting people make their CYOAs uglier when they don't have to.

>>51324938
> Hans Dahlman
> gain lvl 1 training in tactics, weapons, and mariner

> mariner
What? But there isn't a mariner skill.

>>51325209
I thought those were Warlocks or Wizards or something?

Alright, as something of a postmortem on Fulcrum, I want to go over the criticism I got and address my plans to fix it in the next version, and get feedback on my solutions.

>It's ugly
I'll unify the color pallet on the plaques and "menu" boxes. I'm thinking black with silver trim. I'm also going to add borders to each image, and some space between the boxes. I'll also do some of the non-companion items with spherical or ovoid portrait frames so it's not just boxes and boxes and boxes.

>It's too big
Two meanings to this criticism. One, its ten posts long, which I can fix a bit by using jpg and pdf instead of png. Two, it has just too much content, which is also kind of true. I'm thinking v2 will have simplified skill and magic trees, and it'll have 100 companion options, divided into 30 warriors, 20 "utility" (basically misc), 10 stealth, 10 mage, 10 support, and 10 "power" options.

>Companions are too weak/too strong
Yeah, I didn't really have my eye on the ball while building companions. My current issue is that if you're powergaming you leaving 80% of the characters in the dust to the point where there's no point in bringing them, and then there's 10% of them that are so far beyond you that they make you look weak, leaving only 10% of the characters really viable for people who want to approach this from a mechanical standpoint.

>It's unfocused and meandering
This is probably my greatest problem. I never really had any strong theme in mind. I think the next version is going to *slightly* downplay the character's power, mostly by simplifying the skill and magic trees (magic trees will be removed alltogether, likely rolled into three skill options as Arcana, Holy, and Nature magic. It'll focus more on the command element with two additions. One, I'll add significant information to all companions. Two, I'll add three command trees that buff your abilities as a commander.

Fulcrum was always a half-formed squad CYOA, and I need to focus on that.

Thoughts?

>>51325258
>I'm thinking black with silver trim

Glad you took my suggestion. Mostly.

>>51325258
>Fulcrum was always a half-formed squad CYOA, and I need to focus on that.
>
>Thoughts?
Don't do that.

>>51325258
For what it's worth (as the guy complaining about the Fulcrum business last thread) I really like the unfocused and meandering nature of it. You could basically build and do whatever you wanted. If anything I'd ask for more options in the non-companion sections but I don't really have any suggestions.

>>51325258
Here's a recommendation as someone who just got started a month ago.

Put fulcrum on the backburner and make three or four smaller cyoas. Doesn't really matter what they are as long as you have fun making them.

Fulcrum is a big fucking CYOA and even if you cut it down the middle it's bigger than most CYOAs. You should start small and work your way back up to your ambition of Fulcrum.

>>51325258
>simplified skill and magic trees
No, that makes the character building boring.

>>51325258
>Only 10 mages
Fuck that

>>51325258
Please make sure you do something about the light text on light background.

>>51325211
>She's a prostitute.
She's a concubine, and she's YOUR concubine. There's a difference there. I'm thinking concubine in the ottoman sense, in that she's been trained from a young age to be great at sex, but only trained by other women, and you're the only person she ever has or ever will fuck.

>Useless. No more insane than a normal artist though.
>Master earth mage is useless
dude wat

>Sigrun
>She refuses to fight.
But she can see with near perfect accuracy who is or is not about to die. You think that's useless?

>Andreoma
>She's actually useless
Yes, true. I was thinking of her original concept, not what ended up getting posted.

>Anne Smith
>I can't find her.
She's basically a bro and childhood friend. Reasonably competent, level headed.

>>51325234
There was a big disclaimer when I posted the CYOA in the last thread: not only is fulcrum my first ever cyoa, it's the first time I've posted it. Mistakes are EVERYWHERE.

>>51325258
>likely rolled into three skill options as Arcana, Holy, and Nature magic
So magic missile, muh god, and tree fucking. Sucks.

>>51324857
>Teachers
The Caller (Wild Lore, Alchemy, Water)
Nyxeris (Shadowcraft, Charisma, Abyss)

>Skills (20) Shadowcraft, Charisma, Alchemy, Wild Lore Level 1 for free
Shadowcraft, Levels 1-3. (15)
Arcana, Levels 1-3 (9)
Charisma, Level 1 and 2 (7)
Alchemy, Level 1 and 2 (5)
Wild Lore, Level 1 and 2 (3)
Investigation, Level 1 (2)
Combat, Level 1 (1)
Tradecraft, Level 1 (0)

>Magic (20) Water and Abyss Level 1 for free
Water, Levels 1-5 w/Arcana Bonus (6)
Abyss, Levels 1-3 (1)
Fire, Level 1 (0)

>Items (10,000) w/10% Tradecraft discounts
Armor- Rangermail (9,550)
Weapons- Hand weapons (9,482)
Ranged Weapons- Artificer Bow (8,132)
Miscellaneous- Traveling Supplies (8,087) Specialized Tools (7,727)
Rights and Properties- Academic Pass (7,637) Safehouse (7,187)
Hirelings- None
Mounts- 2x Horse (7,107)
Vessel- Gypsy Wagon (6,927)

Well....shit. Might have been too frugal. Drop Rangermail (7,377) and take Living Metal Symbiote (627). Upgrade
Hand Weapons (695) to Earthforged (425). Grab Potions (290) and Books (20).

>Companions (5)
Cinaed, Half-Breed Madwoman
Grimauldus, Illusionist Drug Dealer
Sahn Long, Monk Dropout
Uharen the Just, Unwilling Hero
Lara Dresten, Escaped Concubine

A traveling group of unscrupulous heroes masquerading as a quirky sideshow. No one is what they appear.

Our little caravan has enough room for a trunk of books, potions, and supplies.

I also plan to hook up Lara Dresten and Sahn Long and foster a healthy relationship between them.

We will travel from place to place, questing, solving problems, and likely creating a few of our own by indulging in our various vices.

>>51325323
>She's a concubine, and she's YOUR concubine. There's a difference there. I'm thinking concubine in the ottoman sense, in that she's been trained from a young age to be great at sex, but only trained by other women, and you're the only person she ever has or ever will fuck.
A concubine is a prostitute. She's been living as a prostitute (fucking women is still sex) and her entry says she's for your party's use. So, prostitute.

>Master earth mage is useless
She comes across like she only nominally has earth magic, with how she's mostly an artiste in the rest of it.

>She can have perfect accuracy on who is or is not about to die
So? If that's unchangable it's meaningless, and simply knowing about it might make it happen. Prophecy is full of catch 22's and is rarely a good thing in myth.

>>51325323
>She's a concubine, and she's YOUR concubine. There's a difference there.
4chan is incapable of recognizing that difference.

>>51325258
Hey, as long as I can kill the universe little by little, it's cool. But cutting down on the magic trees isn't the greatest of ideas. Don't see why you chose to keep nature magic.

>>51325379
There isn't one.

>>51325258
> I'm thinking v2 will have simplified skill and magic trees
> Fulcrum was always a half-formed squad CYOA, and I need to focus on that.

The skill and magic system is already very simplified, reducing it even more will just make the fact that you're a standard human in a demigod setting even worse.

>>51325278
Acknowledged.

>>51325297
Thank you, that's very helpful and insightful critique.

>>51325301
What do you mean more options in? Skills, magic, items?

>>51325308
Yeah, I've been getting that a lot, but I don't really enjoy doing small projects, and I generally seem to learn more when working on a big project. I get what you mean tho, as posting fulcrum has been and ENORMOUS learning experience, and if I can even get a tenth of the useful feedback from posting smaller CYOAs it might be worth it. I hear you, and I'll consider it.

>>51325309
The character was never really my focus, desu. Group dynamics was always what fulcrum was designed around (see 2/3rds of the CYOA being just companions). Also my simplifying, I more just mean making it more efficient. I have WAY too much extraneous text around the skills and teachers. Especially the teachers. You could remove the teachers entirely and it would be almost exactly the same CYOA. Not sure what's getting cut, but I KNOW I have to simplify things.

>>51325318
Yup! That's why I'm planning to do black as the primary color, with silver as trim and text.

>>51325325
Deal with it. I NEED to simplify things. Fulcrum is insanely bloated as it currently sits. And to clarify, I'll also be cutting out certain skills and expanding others. Things will be changed, but not much will actually be lost.

>>51325329
>Cinaed, Half-Breed Madwoman
>Grimauldus, Illusionist Drug Dealer
>Sahn Long, Monk Dropout
>Uharen the Just, Unwilling Hero
>Lara Dresten, Escaped Concubine
Oh shit son, what are you doing? Your life is going to be fucking amazing, but short.

>>51325370
>A concubine is a prostitute.
No, it isn't. Not in the ottoman sense like I've been using. Shes more of an unofficial wife than anything else. As for group use, that's for you to decide.

>>51325370
>If that's unchangable it's meaningless, and simply knowing about it might make it happen.
This is actually a really good point. I need to rethink Sigrun.

>>51325447
>As for group use, that's for you to decide.
It's in her entry, so the assumption would be it's how she does.

>>51325447
The first thing you need to learn on cyoag is to not respond to the village cuck

>>51325379
>>51325398
A concubine typically belongs to and only ever has sex with one person, and she's a "vassal" (slave), not a paid citizen. They're more of a loyal mistress or a slave wife than anything.

>>51325403
>The skill and magic system is already very simplified, reducing it even more will just make the fact that you're a standard human in a demigod setting even worse.
I'm also cutting back on general power level. All but one of the dragons is gone, the planar beings are gone, and the other power players are slightly nerfed and relegated to the "power" role, meaning that you can only take so many of them and they all have significant drawbacks or restrictions.

>>51325491
>power to the player

>>51325447
>Oh shit son, what are you doing?
Having fun.

Besides, I've got the symbiote, healing, built in regen, and alchemy. Plus charisma. I can keep these guys alive and moving forward.

Oh shit, I can make booze with Alchemy too. Traveling gypsy sideshow brewery!

>>51324762
Waifish orphan
Imp familiar (Prodigy)
The Lake (Reflection)
Sage, Spy (Jobs)
Secrets Below

>>51325447
>Deal with it.
Don't you think just having the most plain spells and growing trees available is boring as hell? You shouldn't be striving to make your CYOA boring.
>I NEED to simplify things. Fulcrum is insanely bloated as it currently sits.
It's not the skills that are bloating it.

Hey, what's the best iteration of the Island Cyoa?

Debating running a rules-light campaign on it.

>>51325499
Why are you always projecting your fetish on other anons?

Now the challenge I face is how to simplify (or at least compress to a more reasonable size) the skill trees and magic without cutting significant content.

>>51325506
Your build is actually one of the more fun ones I've seen.


>>51325516
Yeah, but it kind of is the skills bloating it. Or rather, they're bloated but empty. Almost every single skill tree has a ton of text that could be summed up to "You got better at this thing". What I need to do is to cut back on the overall amount of text, but make it more visually appealing, with more tangible benefits from taking the skills. I need more efficiency.

>>51325552
What makes you think CYOAs are supposed to be efficient and streamlined? It's generally the content monsters that get builds, not the minimalist ones.

Though you keep refusing to address how you picked the worst schools to keep.

>>51325575
I think he's saying that he could describe something in 10 words rather than 100.

>>51325552
I'm all in favor of everything you've said.
Most of the time, less is more.

>>51325575
>What makes you think CYOAs are supposed to be efficient and streamlined?

This is self evident when you see something made by a redditor or some of the things from /d/, it's bloated as fuck and has three of everything, meaning you take three times as long to read through what only required a single entry in a good cyoa

>It's generally the content monsters that get builds, not the minimalist ones.

Debatable, there are plenty of minimalist CYOAs that get responses, content monsters get builds when they're well made and well designed enough that someone can make several unique builds. There are plenty of large CYOAs that are thrown to the abyss because they simply have no focus and aren't attractive enough to bother making a build for after the first time.

>>51325575
>Though you keep refusing to address how you picked the worst schools to keep.
They're basically all kept, they're just blended into the same trees.

Divine is Heavens and Abyss: the ability to manipulate truth and planar energy.

Nature is water and earth: the ability to alter physical matter and living beings.

Arcane is Fire and (sort of) Wind: the ability to alter energy, create kinetic force, etc.

And again, this isn't really finalized. This is a day 2 post-mortem. A lot will change by the time Fulcrum V2.0 drops.

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>>51325233
One day you'll get there, anon.

>>51325249
Warlocks are oathbreakers and wizards are professional scholars.

>>51325575
>It's generally the content monsters that get builds, not the minimalist ones.
Dude, even if you cut Fulcrum in half, it's still a content monster. As it sits it's bigger that Star Refuge.

>>51325258
I'd like to powergame a bit, but I need motivation. The quest bit is very needed. Otherwise how do I know if I actually need to put up with powerful insane jackasses?

>>51325635
Ooh! You made a thing with my thing! Cool.

>>51325627
>>Divine is Heavens and Abyss: the ability to manipulate truth and planar energy.
So now I have to worship a god to be a lich?

>>51325649
How so?

Choosing Skills and Magic is straightforward. Item buying is a simple process you see in all the large works. The rest is just companions. It's no more complicated than most of SDA's bigger works.

I think Fulcrum is great and the guy who made it is likely going to neuter a good thing by listening to the criticism of autists.

>>51325447
>What do you mean more options in? Skills, magic, items?
I don't know, the more I look at it the more it seems like all the big stuff is covered. Maybe a Personnel Management skill, sort of as the non-combat parallel to Command? I really did like the "Hirelings and Employees" section of the Inventory and how the CYOA gave you the option to go broader-scale than just a small adventuring crew of a few companions.

>>51325624
Why are /d/ cyoas bloated? The author can't stop writing about his fetish?

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>>51325655
>Otherwise how do I know if I actually need to put up with powerful insane jackasses?
Imagination. You see those people who are building a skyship crew to go raid ships for booty and plunder, and the guy who's building a gypsy caravan full of quirky heroes, or the Farmer Fulcrum? They get it.

Fulcrum is a party creator, not a story.

>>51325672
What, you never heard of atheist paladins? That said, Planar might be a better name than divine.

>>51325649
Content monster isn't just defined by pages. Fulcrum has ten pages but little in the way of content, it's mostly just a list of companions with a small character generation bit tacked on to the front. Stardust had only five but it had significantly more customization options and a lot more variety in the things you could build.

>>51325677
Bigger in size, I mean.

>>51325698
>Fulcrum is a party creator, not a story.
Then what's the deal with the stuff at the beginning about a fulcrum mattering if they really don't?

>>51325686
>Maybe a Personnel Management skill,
That's sort of what charisma, command, governance, and tradecraft are, depending on what kind of people you're managing.

>>51325702
Something I'm well aware of. I need to make character creation more efficient, and cut out some companions. The main goal of V2 is efficiency and adding more mechanical complexity.

>>51325720
It's the hand waving that allows you to have access to all your great training and gear, and the reason you're drawing the attention of so many powerful beings.

>>51325720
A butterfly can flap its wings in Peking and in Central Park you get rain instead of sunshine

Your decisions will matter. Things you do will have an effect. Doesn't mean you need to be a God. Never heard of Rincewind?

>>51325720
>If you don't have one specific set in stone grand destiny, you don't matter
]>Freedom is weakness
Do you seriously think this?

>>51325752
You'd rather be a butterfly than a God?

>>51325806
Not all CYOAs are 100% about wish fulfillment.

>>51325789
> If you don't have one specific set in stone grand destiny, you don't matter

Never said that. Just questioning why the CYOA says that the Fulcrum is special right at the start when the stated objective is to create a setting in which the player character isn't special.

>>51325815
You didn't answer the question.

>>51325806
I'd rather be a normal dude than a God, yeah.

Would you say your problem with Fulcrum boils down to it not appealing to your exact power fantasy? Something along the lines of..."boohoo I don't feel like an unstoppable fucktrain"?

>>51325825
In some situations, yes. Being a butterfly making the most of limited potential and resources is a hell of a lot more interesting than being a god with no challenges, no dreams, and no potential for progress or growth. A cyoa about "choose the way you'll be omnipotent" is boring as fuck.

>>51325752
Your decisions won't matter because any one of the dozen or so vastly superior god-like entities running around in the setting could end up completely invalidating everything you do. In some cases not even intentionally, just by accidentally stepping on you and killing you.

>>51325865
I don't wanna be an unstoppable fucktrain. I wanna be an unstoppable deathtrain.

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>>51325635
Did someone say Lana?

>>51325889
The important thing is that your decisions matter to you :)

>>51325824
>when the stated objective is to create a setting in which the player character isn't special.
And I never said that.

I'm creating a setting in which the player decides what they get to do. If you want to be a demigod of might who goes out to slay evil, you can do that, see last thread's invincible paladin powerbuild. But you can also great a fairly mundane person who brings happiness to many with their performing arts center/cake shop.

If you want to be a champion, you can do that. If you want to just explore with your friends, you can do that. But either way, you're going to make a difference wherever you go.

You have options.

>>51325889
I have two things to say to this.

One: boo hoo. That's the way things work. No one being can ever be the most powerful thing in all of creation, even an omnipotent god, because there could be more powerful things outside of their reality.

Two: You're right. I already admitted that adding in too many dragons and planar beings was a mistake, and most of them will either be removed or nerfed in V2, though you STILL won't be anywhere near the most powerful being in the setting, because a 19 year old human being omnipotent is what we call a mary sue, and that's boring as hell.

>>51325946
>even an omnipotent god

But omnipotence is infinite power.

>19 year old human being omnipotent is what we call a mary sue

If he was 19000 years old, would it be any better?

>>51325992
>If he was 19000 years old, would it be any better?
It would certainly make a bit more sense

>>51325946
>invincible paladin powerbuild
Never saw this. I did see something about being a paladin making you magic immune. I don't think that makes you invincible though.

>>51325055
Turns out that most people don't like being cruel. Who could have seen that coming?

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>>51325992
>If he was 19000 years old, would it be any better?

A 1900 grizzled god of death is fucking awesome

>>51326067
Is that why real life is full of assholes?

>>51325258
Honestly the amount of Companions never seemed like an issue to me, just that we were only ever allowed to take 5.

>>51325635
Lana backwards is still Lana.

>>51326205
Anon...

>>51326211
Anal...

>>51325992
>But omnipotence is infinite power.
That's a very childlike view of omnipotence, which is easiest to explain by asking a question about omniscience.

Is an omniscient being something that knows all existing information in the universe (assuming the universe represents all of creation), or is it a being that knows everything?

If the latter, define everything

>If he was 19000 years old, would it be any better?
Yes, it would be better, because that's a hell of a lot more time to amass power and knowledge.

>>51326033
It was a paladin with artifcer armor, magic resistence, and the Holy Sword companion bumping his combat skill up to 4, plus 10 elite knight bodyguards and the dragons, with some other cheese I've forgotten.

>>51326205
>>51326231
Purely a coincidence. The slutty looking teacher was given that name for other totally unrelated reasons.

>>51326101
Most people in real life don't come on 4chan to hide behind a wall of anonymity

>>51326084
She's bald and ugly.

>>51326277
>People are kinder when you they're anonymous.

damn... this really made me think... like, woah.

>>51325946
You're relying on depressed people to think they're personally capable of anything.

>>51325946
>boo hoo.

> I made a CYOA in which your choices don't matter because you can just get instantly killed by one of the many beings in the setting who will always be able to crush you like an insignificant insect and are actively trying to conquer everything

> boo hoo

Okay then.

>>51315262
I see you took some cues from Space Refuge. Overall I like it, which is in part because Space Refuge is one of my favorite CYOAs.

I'd recommend a slight re-balancing of magic and skills, though. It feels like you get a lot of points, meaning builds will tend to be similar. It's more interesting when people have different builds to compare to yours'.

I like the vast number of companions. Like Space Refuge, again, it lets you make a lot of different groups and builds. I'd like to know more about the setting, perhaps entries on different countries/kingdoms when you add quests.

>>51326264
> That's a very childlike view of omnipotence
No, it's the actual definition. People have tried to water down omnipotence in order to justify throwing the label around, but the actual word means unlimited power.

>>51326329
>I made a CYOA in which your choices don't matter
False.
>because you can just get instantly killed by one of the many beings in the setting who will always be able to crush you like an insignificant insect
True. Life's a bitch.
>and are actively trying to conquer everything
Wrong. The only characters who are trying to take over the world are within reach of a player character to stop, and that was done deliberately.

Okay, be real here, do you really think a cyoa is pointless if you aren't the most powerful thing in the setting?

>>51326321
I'm relying on them to think that an infinitely more privilaged person who can use freaking magic is capable of anything, which doesn't seem like a stretch to me.

>>51326357
>It's more interesting when people are weak and can't max out a skill tree

>>51325635
explain this concept to me
hearthstone except the cards are based on CYOA companions?

>>51326264
It's the latter, which includes the former. Seriously, you can google the definitions of these words.

>>51325447
This feels a lot like one of my favorite CYOAs, space refugee, I recommend to do some world building and add some flavor, you add some destinations to make your home area, with perks associated with them, forcing you to choose a minimum number of perks from your home and a few additional perks from non-home areas.

I was thinking for a few examples, maybe a heartland kingdom that gives you free land, soldiers and peasants, a holy town, with religion related perks, like paladins, church libaries, more pious subjects
A merchant city with commercial and money making themed perks
A magic city with magic themed perks and maybe a wandering starting location, with for example, a free companion, camping and travelling benefits.

I also really like the companions and wish you could pay to take more

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>>51326402
You can. 3 skill trees, 1 magic tree. But since the creator is remaking it nobody knows what it's gonna be like.

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>>51325946
>Removing Dragons and planar beings
But they're INTERESTING though.
I like having to talk to them or fighting a demon to prove my dominiance JUST so I can clean their dirty asses. Or talking with elder horrors on the meaning of using cutlery for food or dreaming with the sleeping plant dragon. Or heck have a companion you can only meet in your dreams and they offer advice and future visions or something. Planar beings are a weird mix of power, utility, and team dynamics. It just sucks that literally all the companions I chose in my build are going to be removed or nerfed into being insufferable/useless.

And by nerfing/removing all the more powerful companions is the setting still as high powered as the old version implies. Are planar super beings still roaming around? If yes is your answer then I might as well stick with the older version if that's the case.

>>51325946
> One: boo hoo. That's the way things work
Not really, last I checked there aren't tons of demigods and planar beings and centuries old archmages running around in real life. Sure, there may be people who have more money, or are stronger, or smarter, or have more political power, but at the end of the day they're all human beings with all the same limitations as a human being. You're generally not constantly in danger of getting slaughtered by vampire alexander the great and his invincible army, or snuffed out by a lich who has centuries worth of world shattering magic, and so on.

The idea that you're not necessarily the top dog is fine. However the idea that you're an insignificant speck beneath the heel of literal gods doesn't make for a particularly fun CYOA. Why would I want to imagine a world that is even less fun than the real one?

>>51326298
It's really that people are less reserved, in how much they give and how much they take.

>>51326430
XDDDDD

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>>51326264
>Purely a coincidence
Not in my CYOAs.

>>51326404
Just an idea I've been entertaining after some fervent discussion about making a CCG out of CYOAs.

Whether or not we'd follow through with it is up in the air, but I'm just making these for fun right now.

>>51326488
Keep on shitposting, Anon.

>>51326385
> True. Life's a bitch.

Okay, so you made a CYOA which can be summed up as "Life's a bitch." Congrats. If I was at all interested in that, I'd just go outside. At least then I wouldn't have to deal with as much light text on a light background.

>>51326357
see >>51325258

Also, as for a lot of points, I don't know if you noticed, but the point costs are cumulative. I admit I didn't communicate that very well, but leveling up a skill all the way costs 6 points (1+2+3), just as leveling up a magic tree costs 15 points.

>I'd like to know more about the setting
I've made a few posts about it if you feel like digging, or I can answer any questions you might have.

The next version will include optional quest options, which should help a bit with that.

>>51326359
Answer the question about omniscience. Omnipotence and omniscience are two of those words that don't really mean anything at all unless elaborate on them.

>>51326408
If you know every single thing about the material universe, you might be called omniscient. But if there's some other dimension that's never manifested in the material universe, you can't know that you don't know about it. This is why you need to place caveats onto words like omniscience or omnipotence. Is an omniscient being capable of doubt? If yes, it can never be certain it knows everything, just pretty sure. If no, it's not omniscient.

>>51326494
keep on existing, garbage.

>>51326493
>Not in my cyoas
Archangel is really legnahcra?

>>51326508
omni- = everything
potence = ability
science = knowledge
the power to do anything and know everything respectively

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>>51326514

>>51326508
You know that you can be capable of doubt without actually doubting anything, right?

>>51326411
Glad to hear you liked it! As for taking more companions, I'm thinking that V2 will have the following options:

Diligence: Lost one companion, but you may take an extra skill point.

Play Hooky: Lose one skill point, but you may take an extra companion.

>>51326456
There's a balance to be found. As much as I might want to agree with you, the people who say that you're greatly diminshed by having too many gods interested in you do have something of a point.

I think I'll make the really powerful beings into question options rather than companion members. Like, "Anhelia the Pyromancer revealed herself to be a dragon, surprising exactly no one! SHe's starting some shit, go deal with it!" and then depending on how you resolve it, you could possible slay her, gain her as a party member, whatever.

>Planar beings
The bane of my life. Simultaneously OP, useless, boring, and interesting. I'll keep some of them around for you, promise.

>>51326470
>There aren't a lot of demigods around
Governments and corporations can play very similar roles.

>The idea that you're not necessarily the top dog is fine. However the idea that you're an insignificant speck beneath the heel of literal gods doesn't make for a particularly fun CYOA.
An issue I plan to address in the next version, but as state above, it's a balancing act.

>>51326500
Answer the question.

>>51326385
> Okay, be real here, do you really think a cyoa is pointless if you aren't the most powerful thing in the setting?
No one is asking to be the most powerful. Just not so hopelessly outclassed by so many beings. As mentioned before, it's like playing a mortal in Exalted. There are just so many ways to get completely stomped that it's more enjoyable to just go out and deal with the real world, which is way less unfair. And that's saying something.

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>>51326537
>legnahcra
what

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>>51326493
So there are no spellcards or arena modefiers?

>>51326553
>>51326584
Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that you can't know what you don't know. You can start at the basic atoms of the universe and work your way out, learning every single thing until you hit the edges of creation, but you'll never know whether or not there are things outside of creation.

And as for the definition, I'm arguing against the concept, not the word.

>>51326597
> Governments and corporations can play very similar roles.
Governments and corporations are made up of mortal people, not extraplanar beings or living gods or undead armies or dragons that can see the future. They're not exactly on the same power level.

>mfw a CYOA causes a controversy just by merit of existing

fascinating.

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>>51326628
If we're going full CCG, of course there'd be.

Quest cards were discussed as well as drawback cards (ala CYOA options). For example, there'd be the Battlemage "Sanity" quest where after 3 turns and you have 3 or more Battlemages in play when the countdown ends, all your Battlemages get a dragon mount.

Or a Monster Hunter "Culling" card that triggers the enemy team, turning them on each other.

Shit like that.

>>51326637
>you can't know what you don't know

What, you can't learn it no matter what? However, if you don't know something, then you're not omniscient.

>>51326597
1 out of a potential 5 companions for 1 out of a potential 20 skill points isn't a very good tradeoff, and the reverse is stupidly good.

And while I assume you're doing that intentionally because you want to make it more of a party builder than a character builder, why even make it an option if it is clearly the intended choice?

>>51326625
"Archangel" backwards is "legnahcrA"?
And what's "xyts" supposed to be?

>>51326637
>I'm arguing against the concept, not the word
really?
I mean, I'm sure most people would agree there are some logical contradictions to the concept but they will still accept it happening in a fictional setting and handwave those concerns.
It's like time travel, it doesn't make sense, but whatever.

>>51326625
>what
To explain with what anon was saying, Styx is therefore xyts.
Also, use the right kinda "half." It's "Halve" when a verb.

>>51324857
>Teachers
Tristain
Nyxeris

>Skills
Combat Skill (1,2,3)
Governance (1,2)
Shadowcraft (1)
Charisma (1)
Command (1,2,3)
Wild Lore (1,2)
Arcana (1,2)

>Magic
Lore of the Abyss (1,2,3)
Lore of the Winds (1)
Lore of Fire (1,2,3,4,5)

>Inventory
Artificer Plate
Artificier Weapon
Traveling Supplies
Specialized Tools
Potions

>Rights and Properties
Academic Pass
Safehouse

>Mounts
Warhorse (x3)

>Pets
Terrorbird

>Vessels
Gypsy Wagon

>Companions
Pyyrah
Illnalta
Bartheloth
Lala the Lost
Olead Nachaun

>>51326686
Exits?

>>51326686
>>51326700
Oh, I get it.

No, but there is a Lana in Battlemage that I specifically named Lana while giggling like a neckbeard autist.

>>51324762
>Wandering Mistress
>Voidworm
>Perks: Freedom, Luminous, Mind Shock, Sturdy
>Focus: The Forest, Wild Shape
>Protector
>The Northern War

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>>51326637
You're quickly turning into SDA 2.0 thanks to your omniscience/omnipotence shitposting, now you only need to post some smug anime girls.

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>>51326597
>I'll keep some of them around for you, promise
I-I don't believe you anon.

But also I wanted to ask could you offer racial choices? Like a low level demon race option, an orc, an elf, some half-dragon deal? Or how about planar touched or something.

If you want anons to learn more about your setting I wouldn't mind it being regulated to quest options that drop hints about places and people of interests. Give access to unique artifacts, companions, and blessings. Certainly liven up build options.

Also the companion/skill tradeoff isn't exactly great. Skillpoint are inherently better than companion options now that you plan on nerfing companions and narrowing down skill options. And trading off now useless/more annoying potential companions for skill points is just too good to pass up. Perhaps exchanging gold for extra companions is better and upping the number of free companions to 6 or 8 would be more appropriate.

>>51326597
> An issue I plan to address in the next version, but as state above, it's a balancing act.
And you've also stated that you want to make the player character even weaker to shift the focus to party design, so I'm not exactly seeing how this is going to get fixed. Sure, the companions will get nerfed, but if the player character gets nerfed even more the imbalance will still be there.

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>>51326751
My dream is to turn this thread into a fridge that cultivates SDAs.

>>51326605
>Make all enemies and challenges within my reach at the very beginning of my PC's career.
Fulcrum doesn't represent everything your character might ever do, it, at the end, represents what they're like straight out of school. There are no omnipotent beings. Some of them, like Anhelia, Lahs, or the Angels, are crazy powerful, but with enough prep time and creativity you could beat them. Yeah, your PC woudl probably lose in a straight up fight, but could you (you, not your pc) survive a fight with a lion? Probably not, but you could sure as hell fuck one up if you had time to prepare.

Not all challenges need to be beat with straight up face to face power.

>>51326640
Yeah, but I can honestly say that if you put any of the powerhouses in my CYOA against the US or Chinese Military, they're probably get murdered over time. You overestimate the power of the stronger beings. Don't look at what people are saying about my companions, look at what I say about them. None of them are unassailable if you're creative.

>>51326652
Right?

>>51326666
See? The concept falls apart if you look a little closer. It's meaningless. A concept someone thought up without really thinking about it, because you could always ask an omnscient being, "How do you know there's nothing outside of your knowledge," and they'd never be able to certainly answer.

>>51326685
Those aren't final rates by any means, they're just an example. 1 to 1 was never the plan. Sorry, should have said that.

>>51326690
Time travel annoys me too.

>>51326751
I don't know or care who that is. I'm just talking to people about stupid ideas.

>>51326402
It's more interesting when you can't max out 4-5.

>>51326625
*Halve

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>>51326801
soon, you will know

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>>51326776
I see what you did there.

>>51326812
You can't. The costs are cumulative. 6 for a skill 15 for a magic. So at most you can max out 3 skills but if you max out a magic you can't max anything else.

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>>51326776
That's not a smug anime girl.

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>>51326845
It's a scheming, genki vampire highschool girl.

>>51326771
>racial choices
Did you choose to be born human? NO!

... Actually I considered it, it just didn't make the final cut. Might add it in in v2.0, but no guarantees

>skill tradeoff
It's not going to be 1 to 1, that was just an example.

>>51326774
You'll see when it gets posted. I'm not really getting this across right. Nerfing isn't really the right word for any of this. Nothing (including group memebers) is actually getting any weaker, I'm just making it more efficient to build your character, and more clear about the power of certain companions. None of the companions are unassailable, and the hero will never really be weak. I just need to find a balance.

>>51326801
>How do you know there's nothing outside of your knowledge

There isn't, because they know everything. Because they're omniscient.

>>51326884
I didn't even choose to be born.

>>51326891
>they're omniscient.
No. Because how could you tell? How would it know that there isn't something outside of it's sphere of knowledge. It couldn't. Because you can't. There could possibly be things you're incapable of perceiving.

The concept itself has internal logical inconsistencies. Nothing can ever actually be omniscient.

>>51326863
Where were all the vampire schoolgirls when I was in high school?

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>>51326664
You're going to have to start seriously analyzing CYOA's and their conventions.

A lot of CYOA's have you build a character or choose from a list assuming you're just you. If personal empowerment is the focus how do you represent those choices? Items to empower monster cards? What about more abstract choices like choosing what your source of power is going to be?
The most interesting CYOA's IMO are the ones that shake things up, that introduce new concepts. (They're why CYOA's are now more than only 'trapped on an island' list choosers. Are there popular recent list choosers?) I can already see so many things I have trouble imagining as cards. Although maybe you can just exclude those kind of things and go with hero builders.

>>51326508
Oh, I know about the point costs being cumulative. I'm not sure how other people failed to notice it, besides not paying much attention.

I personally think the magic was fairly well balanced, compared to the skills. I found that I was able to master quite a few skills, and while powergamers find that appealing, I find it dilutes the essence of a character. It also means that I have a lot of overlap with potential companions, even outshining them at their specialty with what was taken as a secondary skill.

Magic on the other hand, I was forced to either be a jack of all trades or focus in one or two schools, which made it easier to define the character's specialization. I'm a little disappointed to read the branches will be removed, but it's not a huge deal.

A lot of the characters allude to various factions, feuds, and subplots. I'm looking forward to seeing where it all goes. I probably missed your lore posts while I was out today, so I'll have to look back and find a few.

>>51324857
Holistic Detective Build

>Lana Palandine
>Nyxeris

>Investigation 3
>Charisma 3
>Arcana 3
>Shadowcraft 2
>Tradecraft 2

>Lore of Heavens 5
>Lore of Fire 1
>Lore of Abyss 3

>Corvette 800 gold left
>Skilled Workers x3 776 gold left
>Travelling Supplies 736 gold left
>Books 496 gold left
>Fancy Clothing 456 gold left
>Cat 452 gold left
>Pistol 52 Gold Left

>Tyhaniel Carmine
>Miss Kiesha
>Jada Nmonlia
>Dirk the Daring
>Anna

I'm just gonna go around, finding problems then solving them. Let fate drag me around and get by on my wits and charm, maybe a little help from my friends.

>>51325258
>pdf instead
Don't go down the dark path, anon

>>51326801
> Make all enemies and challenges within my reach at the very beginning of my PC's career.
Again, literally no one has asked for that. You're arguing at a position that you just made up. The issue is that there isn't just a handful of things that you need experience or preparation to beat. The issue is that there are enough beings that you simply can't ever beat that it gives the impression that you're basically an insignificant speck no matter what. Something that your statements have only served to reinforce and tell us that it was your intention all along to simply create a CYOA that can be summed up as "Life's a bitch."

So why should someone bother with a CYOA like that when the real thing is actually more fun?

>>51326936
>There could possibly be things you're incapable of perceiving.
Never mind how he got to know it, he just knows it.
He's a transcendent being you know, he's not reliant on the quaint mortal principles of causality and perception.

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Looking over the start of the Fairy King CYOA and I can't shake the feeling that I'm picking my executioner, not my waifu. You just can't trust fairies. Like Shaylee will leave you to die somewhere in the labyrinth, Henny will put you to sleep and bake you in a meat pie, the Crane Twins will get jealous and pull some King Solomon shit, Maurelle will poison you, Elfie will straight blow you up, Orla would pull your teeth out and lock you up in her damned fortress, Nokomis could flay you alive and use your skin as pages in books, and I don't even want to imagine what a Changeling would get up to.

Point is, you can't trust a fairy. As soon as one of them marries you and is crowned Queen of the Fairies, they'll dispose of you. Oh, and what was the first thing Nesbit got you to give up? That's right, the ability to plunge an iron spike into anyone of their hearts. That's probably how the last queen got her job. There was probably once a Demon Prince when the Fairy Realm collided with Hell, but the last bitch--probably Aunt Alfie given how Maurelle seems to suggest everyone picks Elfie--ran the same honeypot on him and came out Queen.

Fucking fairies, man. Fucking fairies.

>>51326936
>It couldn't. Because you can't

This has literally nothing to do with me. I am not a part of this. Whatever "it" is, it would know everything if it was omniscient. Nothing would be "outside it's sphere of knowledge". If it didn't know everything, then it wouldn't be omniscient. What are you not getting here?

>>51326714
That would make sense. Wow. He sure likes butt stuff.

>>51326998
No all CYOA are about wish fulfillment. Plenty are about a hard choice to tell you something about yourself and your priorities or about challenging you to optimize.
I mean, not this one, but others.

>>51327025
>He

>>51326998
Not who you're arguing with here, but I don't get it. Having things be outside your weight class isn't a bad thing. There's still plenty of options for adventures that aren't "let me rule the world".

>>51326884
Okay, so if no group members are getting weaker, then how is that addressing the presence of demigods that are vastly superior to the Fulcrum and have zero reason to follow the Fulcrum?

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>>51326801
>an omnscient being

>>51326936
>>they're omniscient.
>No.

>logical inconsistencies

>>51327013
>I can't shake the feeling that I'm picking my executioner
I raised that point last thread. Glad someone else agrees.

>>51326958
No, that's why the CYOAs chosen to be made into decks must be viable first and foremost. If it's possible to make it into a deck, then yes.

I'm not saying that the CYOAs have to have companions. Decks can in fact be about personal empowerment. For example, the CYOA you just posted can mostly be spell cards that empower the few companion cards (our equivalent monsters/minions/followers).

Imagine a deck full of quest cards that can compliment another ordinary deck. Combine this "gentle worlds" with something like Battlemage that's going to be mostly just companion cards. "Timeline #790" will turn half the companion cards on the board into 1/1 shotas.

>>51326976
>found that I was able to master quite a few skill
3? Come on, you're being an idiot on purpose now.

>>51327046
It's fine for there to be some things outside your weight class. But making them too common and too active creates problems.

>>51327046
>Wanting to do nothing of value
Why even bother with imagination?

>>51327035
>>47911363

>>51327013
This is a long-winded admission of autism.

>>51327013
I just don't get that vibe from the CYOA, it's all just in your head. Crane Twins sure, but everyone else dosen't sound like that. Besides we don't know can they actually inherit form you or are they just consorts.

>>51327091
>nothing of value
Explain please. Just because I can't go fuck dragons to death with my magic-infused 20 foot long dick doesn't mean I'm not doing anything of value.

>>51327098
>I'm straight

Well, unless "he" likes receiving it up the ass.

>>51327129
You're insignificant. The only things that matter are those that change the world for centuries or eons.

>>51327129
>I can't go fuck dragons to death with my magic-infused 20 foot long dick

Not with that attitude.

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>>51327071
coin flip mechanics?

This is sort of interesting, I want to hear your CCG interpretations of other CYOA's.

>>51326998
>The issue is that there are enough beings that you simply can't ever beat
There are literally none of those. I built them, I should know. There is no omnipotent enemy. Some are terrifyingly powerful, yes, but not unassailable.

>>51327008
>"Mortals just can't get it."
Which is the laziest copout humanity every came up with.

>>51327020
My point is that omniscience is an unattainable state because you can't get there by learning, and if something is unattainable and impossible, how is that any different from not existing in the first place?

>>51327054
Okay, go back up to the first part of fulcrum. See that part where it says you're a fulcrum? A fulcrum. Something across which other things exert force to change the world. Your decisions affect the world greatly, so having you around is ENORMOUSLY valuable to anyone and anything. You can choose where you are, and who gets to exert power over you, but you aren't always the most powerful thing around.

>inb4 "But I don't want to be affected by other people's wishes"

>>51327142
Dude, you are taking a way too cosmic view of this shit. This CYOA isn't about "I will become a legend spoken of for millions of years, if not a living god" it's about "take five buddies and have fun adventures with pirates/skeletons/crazy fairies and shit."

>>51327046
> There's still plenty of options for adventures that aren't "let me rule the world".

> Open a shop
> Gets burned and destroyed by vampire Alexander the Great and his army

> Try to be a gentleman thief
> Get caught and vaporized by one of the many archmages who can just predict the future with greater accuracy than you ever could

> Hide away in some library somewhere to just relax and read
> Library gets destroyed by a god-tier pyromancer who is specifically stated to always be better, smarter, and richer than you and you're burned alive

Putting in too many super powerful threats is what makes things like Marvel or DC really annoying at times.

>>51327142
>The only things that matter are those that change the world forever

Fixed that for you. Let's face it, when you die, someone can pretty much tear down everything you've done, and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>51327171
It's supposed to be both, or rather either of them, although I'm getting the sense I kind of failed at that.

>>51327075
Taking this from the first version:

I can max out 4 if I specialize in one teacher.

For example, train twice with Tristain. You have Level 2 Combat and Command. Increasing both to Level 3 costs 6.

Maxing a third costs 6. Maxing a fourth costs 6. You are now at 18. You have 2 points left, and are a master class at four different professions.

Then you can master one magic tree, using your magic points. Since Tristain gives me 2 free levels of Wind, I can master that for 12. I have 8 points leftover to learn some auxiliary magic from other elements.

Therefore: you just mastered 4-5 things depending on whether you consider the magic lore section as a part of that total. I am objectively correct in my statement.

>>51327169
> so having you around is ENORMOUSLY valuable to anyone and anything.
Okay, so they enslave you because they're vastly more powerful than you, and use you as a living good-luck charm.

How is that better?

>>51327169
>My point is

I wasn't talking about real fucking life. I was just trying to tell you what omniscience is.

>>51327169
>if something is unattainable and impossible, how is that any different from not existing in the first place?
we call this 'fiction', something that often makes use of a concept called 'suspension of disbelief' or 'magic'

>>51327177
>Library gets destroyed by a god-tier pyromancer who is specifically stated to always be better, smarter, and richer than you and you're burned alive
She's a dragon you cunt, her dialogue is supposed to SUBTLY HINT that she's a dragon.

>>51327163
I've briefly touched with Highlander on the potential Traveler deck and it'd probably be similar to the Conduit one.

Basically, they'd be "end-game" decks that has cards to draw out the game to later-game turns. Once it gets to the end game, you'll have a shitton of options to screw over your opponent, like high-powered companion cards that are nigh unbeatable. Stuff like immunity to spell cards (which I'm thinking of dividing into "perk", "quest" and "drawback" cards).

>>51327177
You just have to suspend your disbelief and assume that everything will work out in the end. It's fiction, and you're the mc. You'll probably be fine in whatever "genre" of adventure you choose.

>>51327177
You, uh, you are aware that being a Fulcrum, you are awarded a certain amount a wiggle room in that whatever you do is going to be Significant and Important. You're not going to able to hole up in a library, or yes, it's going to burn the fuck down, because Fate is telling you to get your ass on the road and do some Good/Evil.

>>51327220
Okay, so instead you're burned to death by yet another dragon who is vastly superior to you in every way, instead of a mage who is vastly superior to you in every way. Wonderful.

>>51327203
Because if you decide you want to fuck with them, they're holding a probability bomb in their pockets?

>>51327208
>>51327214
Shh! I'm being autistic over here!

>>51325871
There was one recently, it got about a dozen detailed and well thought out builds, so it looks like others disagree.

>>51327246
The whole point of being a fulcrum, as I see it, is that anything you do is important. If you want to fuck around in a library, fate will conspire to allow you to keep fucking around in a library because that's your destiny.

>>51327250
Not trying to defend it, just pointing out what the dialogue is obviously supposed to be hinting at.

>>51327246
So you're required to try to be some sort of hero/villain of legend, only to get crushed by any one of the many, many people who completely outclass you.

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>>51327232
How about arena cards that aren't specific choices but something like "bridge to the sunless sea" and minions that can only be summoned while at a bridge to their home plane

Why so much shit for the Fulcrum CYOA. It's not perfect, but it is high quality content, which this general needs more of.

>>51327267
Unless someone more powerful than you decides they want to kill you. Then you die.

>>51327013
You're one of the most paranoid fuckers I've ever seen on here and that's saying something. It's a goddamn waifu CYOA dude. That also comes prepackaged with a power fantasy. You have nothing to worry about.

>>51327299
It's mainly the fact that the creator keeps on responding with things like "Boo hoo, life's a bitch."

It's basically the same thing that made SDA a meme.

>>51327306
They won't, because you are the MC. They always exist in the setting, but they might as well not if you don't choose them as a companion.

>>51327299
Some of it is genuine critique, some of it is the usual whining and semantics you get with any CYOA that makes a splash.

If it were mine, I would take it as a compliment, because it means people took the time to give a shit.

>>51327299
I haven't even read it because the arguments it has generated are so fucking cancerous, and the author seems like a douche.

>>51327316
Don't you just love plot armor?

>>51327316
> They won't, because you are the MC.
That's a harem-anime-tier justification. Which I guess is standard for /cyoag/.

>>51327299
The author keeps responding. It would have been forgotten by now otherwise.

>>51327299
I think it's okay, but I wouldn't call it high quality from a visual or mechanical standpoint. For a first CYOA it's fine, certainly acceptable, but it garners no interest from me due to the "go off and do whatever the fuck you want" nature of it compounded with a fantasy kitchen sink setting. There's nothing that makes me think "man, I'd like to do this" in what's been presented.

>>51327299
> high quality
Not really. Light text on light background, rules interactions that are completely unclear, references to skills that do not exist, and plenty of typos. It's just an assortment of cool looking character art that the creator had in a folder with some +/- bullet points under them.

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Okay, Fulcrum Anon here, and something just occurred to me, something I should have said a long time ago.

Fulcrum takes plance in a setting in which the good guys are winning. Look at the number of paladins and knights there are, look at how many of the archetypally evil things (deathknights, demons, monsters) just "happen" to be serving humanity. The idea for this setting is that the noblebright knightly orders eventually got smart and quit turning up their noses at necromancy, and started resurrecting their greatest heroes, hence all the heroic deathknights running around. Suddenly half the BBEG types in the world are working for the forces of order, and the good guys started winning.

There are only 3 (arguably 5) BBEG type characters in the companion lists, and you'll note that none of them actively have that much power beyond their own personal might (no big kingdoms or armies). And of the super powerful beings (dragons, angels, planar beings), none of them are openly malicious, save for one of them.

Even with all the powerful beings running around, the Fulcrum world's power levels are actually pretty average, because things that go off on giant rampages tend to get killed by the Knightly Orders or by a Fulcrum.

I realize that this is kind of a copout, because you have to actually read the companion cards to pick up on this, but I feel this will clarify things a bit.

>>51327407
But no matter what you do it's still a boring setting. The power levels aren't the problem, the problem is that I could make this setting by spitting tropes at a word document.

There's nothing that compels me to play this setting.

>>51327351
I mean, yeah, that's all any CYOA has going for it.

>>51327407
Stick this shit in the CYOA

>>51327286
Sounds like an interesting concept. It'd allow you to summon obscenely powerful companions but only if you have those arena cards up.

Similarly I was thinking of something like that for the Star Dust deck. For example, a Nuclear Fusion reactor arena card that allows you to play your Star Dust "Nuclear Engineer" companions who give powerful buffs, such as +0/+2 to all your Star Dust companions. Or an Arsenal arena card that buffs your Star Dust "Security" companion cards.

>>51327299
>High quality
It's passable at best, let's be real.

>>51327306
How many times do I need to point out that no companion or enemy in the setting is unassailable before people start to believe me?

>>51327169
>Being nothing more than a dumb tool for others

>>51327013
Sockminster wouldn't do that to us. He's a cool cat.

>>51324857
>>51325067

Got the gist of a build.

Stats:
+2 Harlen: +2 on one tutor is objectively the correct choice because it effectively worth 9 points instead of 6.

Combat 1 (19)
Crafting 2 (19)
Governance 2 (16)
Shadow-craft 1 (15)
Investigation 2 (12)
Wild Lore 1 (11)
Charisma3 (5)
Tradecraft3 (2)
Arcana1 (1)
Alchemy1 (0)

Magic:
Abyss 3: (14) Specialized to illusions, without undead control
Heavens 2 (11)
Earth 4 (4)
Fire 1 (3)
Water 2 (0)

Overall a generalist skillset, with a heavy lean on charisma, intelligence and negotiation skills. Some practical magic, but a LOT of showy theatrical stuff. Fog machine, illusions, flashing lights, making shit float, and so forth.

Stuff:
Clothing: 200g
Self-crafted combo of Fancy clothing and Rangermail, (essentially a fancy costume with some reinforced leather for a small bit of actual protection), reinforced by my own earth magic. Probably a little weaker than spell-weave clothes but slightly better against blunt trauma.

Firearms: 250g
>Muzzle-loading
Fuck that, I'm inventing the revolver. Or some type of shotgun like cartridges or shells. And I should have the skills to pull that off.

Miscellaneous supplies, books, etc. 1000g
Not gonna bother itemizing this list full out and rounded, but aside from the basics, the interesting extras are instruments, art supplies, and catering materials

Academic Pass, Trading Licenses

Corvette: 6900
Traveling in Style.

Actual interesting part of the build in next post:

>>51327013
I didn't read it like that at all.

>>51327448
It's already in the CYOA, it's just hidden away in companion cards. I'll make it more obvious in V2.

>>51327489
>Being placed into a position of enormous power and privilege and being totally unwilling to seize the opportunity and make something of it.

Look, in the end I have to face up to the fact that I'm just not going to please some people. Fulcrum was my first try, I learned a lot, now I'm going to go fix some shit and make a better version.

>>51327407
I can fuck with that, but explain it a little better in the CYOA.

>>51327462
Maybe when you stop trying to justify exactly that with "boo hoo, that's just how life is." Kind of hard to conclude that they're not unassailable when you're trying to argue why it's okay for them to be unassailable.

>>51327013
But.... at what point will it no longer fit? ...

>>51327576
Fair point. I want enemies to be challenging, but still within reach, and I guess I've been sending mixed messages on that front.

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>the celestial, the aetherial and the terrestial are three different monster cards
>they can each receive multiple domain aspects that are equippable like items

>>51327536
> Being placed into a position of enormous power and privilege and being totally unwilling to seize the opportunity and make something of it.

What power? The power to be a living good-luck charm for the first person who can overpower and enslave you? The privilege of being a resource fought over by demigods far above anything you could ever become? The opportunity to get torn apart by all the archmages and demons and dragons who will be squabbling over you? That makes it worse than being a mortal in Exalted. At least there you can try to keep your head down and hide. In Fulcrum, you're stuck in the middle with no way to avoid being stepped on.

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>>51327681

>>51327614
That depends on your dick, doesn't it?

>>51327699
>I have a victim complex

Rise to the challenge pussy. I bet you didn't even go to art school because people told you that you had to get a "real job".

Damn, I left for a day and there has been 500+ posts. What made you guys so hyped? I've noticed this Fulcrum cyoa and the elf slave, anything more?

>>51327699
Stop being a pussy, choose one you can take and kick their ass. Send a message. Level up. Get stronger. If they get uppity, smack another bitch.

Don't just sit and take it.

>>51327771
Fulcrum slave, what do?

>>51327771
Fulcrum creator embraced the autism of the thread

>>51327699
>What power?
Being able to do in four years of study what most archmages need decades to learn. Being able to defeat the greatest mortal champions in a duel after training for a short time. Having access to an enormous variety of skills, objects, and allies that can overcome any obstacle if you're creative.

You're dramatically overestimating the opposition and underestimating the player character. And again, speaking as the guy who wrote them, none of these archmages or dragons or monsters are unassailable.

You have enormous power, and incredible opportunity, and you need competition to match.

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>>51327681
Sounds like it'd work for upgradeable vehicles.
Could all 'assemble your own X' CYOAs work like that? Stardust is one.
I don't know, it's a bit gimmicky actually, not to mention you'd have these cards cluttering up your hand that can only be used under highly specific circumstances.

>>51327771
It's because I can't fucking let this go and just go work

UNDERSTAND MAH ARTISTIC VISION, PLEBEIANS

>>51327797
Impregnate her obviously.

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>>51327526
And the people:
5 Allowed companions (actual loyal friends)
Lady Filliah of Shroudsong (Fae Enchantress)
Lilith Sulehammon (Blade dancer)
Khaliid Kingbeard (Storytelling dwarf)
Satsuji Uta (Kabuki martial artist)
Phara Nagash (Harem Snek)

F yo rules:
I'm taking some extra companions AS "skilled worker" hirelings with the understanding they're fucking expensive versions and have less loyalty, but they fit really well in the build. I'll note what the substitute worker type is if you insist I stick to the rules.

"Miss" Kiesha (Shaman Gambler) [Slight of hand style magician)
Yennifer Polonius (Bard) [Hired Musician]
Zara (Brawler girl) [Bouncer/Thug]
Sarissa Bright (Half demon party girl)[Planner, waitress]


Other workers:
A damn good cook (I get the feeling Grandma Ida wouldn't work for money if not an actual companion) A solid mechanic for ship upkeep, a couple extra dancers/musicians and a few general workers. And one, very, very, very good accountant.
Basically: A traveling entertainment troupe of about 12-15 people. Which is a reasonable amount to stuff into the ship.

Rather than just stop in at taverns like a normal pack of bards would we straight up plan out and throw full festivals wherever we go and throw legendary tier parties. So the main companions are my primary entertainers and the extra companions/hired generics are the back-ups and main staff. (Hiring locals for the rest of the logistics will be necessary) And a few people like Phara and Sarissa who just smooth out the party and make sure people are having a good time.

If we ever do get into a fight, we might not win, but it will be the most amazing looking fight you have ever seen.

My own skillset is a lead in to being like a bard-wizard. Tell stories and play music aided by illusion magic and such. I can go full rock concert and conjure up a mist, flash some laser lights and all those type of theatrics.

Change the world one epic party at a time.

>>51327840
What if it's a him?

>>51327825
> Being able to do in four years of study what most archmages need decades to learn
That might be impressive if the world didn't feature plenty of archmages that have literal centuries or even millennia of experience. As it sits, it still puts you way below the curve.

>>51327797
Start a farm.

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>>51327797
So cute elf waifu/daughteru is a secret item of Rights&Properties? I can back that, name the price, Fulcrum anon.

>>51327820
>pic

>>51327838
So are you the Fulcrun anon? I'm waiting your answer regarding the elves.
Also I like your cyoa.

>>51327871
Mpreg.

>>51327872
Why don't you have centuries to reach them?

>>51327863
That's pretty great.

>>51324857
Lana Palandine x2

Combat Skill 3 (14)
Investigation 2 (Free)
Arcana 3 (11)
Command 2 (8)
Tradecraft 3 (2)
Wild Lore, Charisma 1 (0)
Fire 5 (8)
Heavens 3 (2)

Spell Weave Clothing (Free)
Corvette (3100)
Hippogriff (1000)
Artificer Sword (160)
Cat (155)
Ammo, Traveling Supplies (30)

Nelwen
Cardinal's Song
Brother Tankred
Rashandasa Siphon
Anna

>>51326597
I'd rather pay cash for them or have a skillpoint trade as an option, IMO companions are one of the main things that make a CYOA like this fun, and being able to balance powergaming with a fluffy party

I definitely would be against removing companions and instead give the ability to tradeoff for more. I dont have any specific recommendations for this but it would also be cool to see more personal development choices, skills, perks and stuff like that, maybe some curses or drawbacks as well. It would help round it out to have some worldbuilding too.

>>51325258
I'd like so that I don't actually mind the length. In fact I'ld like it to be longer (or rather I'd like more items, and skill clarifications to better reflect just how many companions there are)

That being said the vast list of companions really need to be proof read especially those that offer bufts to skills

>>51327825
You gotta understand that you're never gonna please these people that keep bitching and moaning. Just make the CYOA you wanna make ad follow the useful criticism and feedback. You get points for trying though.

>>51327900
Because as they're not necessarily going to just politely wait before they come to fuck you over and take your power for themselves?

>>51327872
>plenty of archmages that have literal centuries or even millennia of experience.
Show me these archmages.

>>51327881
>So are you the Fulcrun anon?
Yes. As for an elf waifu, there are like 7 of them in the companion lists, one of which is literally labeled "Elf Waifu."

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>>51327894

>>51327933
Then don't wait around. Plot.

>>51327872
They're not archmages mostly. They're either dragons in disguise or some kind of god.

Not that it makes it any better, just saying.

>>51326664
>the mystery box
>upon activation discard this card and draw a free card, the free card is immediately placed in the field or activated

>>51327911
Lulu instead of Nelwen

>>51327937
So yeah for Fulcrum it would be nice to have a perk tree and more companion slots on top of say a perk to have more companions especially since there area lot of appealing options

>>51327937
>Yes. As for an elf waifu, there are like 7 of them in the companion lists, one of which is literally labeled "Elf Waifu."
Bear with me, I'm still at Lucfil and I've seen only the disney princess elf.

>>51328010
Yup. See >>51325258

>>51327983
There are several liches, I'd say those count.

>>51327958
> Plotting against a dragon that can literally see the future far better than you ever could
Good luck with that.

>>51326294
She's just in the Void; she gets hotter later on

>>51328032
Liches that a character could handle on his own, or laughably easily if he takes one of the paladins. Try again.

>>51328032
You can be a lich. Nothing stopping you from possess a dead little girl to perv on your friends.

>>51328059
False. You can Literally see the future. She can just guess. On top of that, her character card says that she likes you.

>>51328076
Aren't you a ghost if you can possess someone though?

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>>51328059
>>51328076
Why are you guys trying to best everyone with force? Use charisma or something to make them like you and join you. If you can't win, make them part of your arsenal.

>>51328099
No? It's magic. One of the companions did exactly what I described.

>>51328098
Not talking about Anehlia, referring to Gaogui de zhu, who has centuries of experience and is a master of Lore of the Heavens. So yeah, a dragon that can see the future better than you.

>>51328138
A dragon who's also described as lawful to an anal level, and who wants to help you.

>>51328121
Charisma doesn't really work on something that has no interest in listening to you because you're basically just an ant to it.

>>51328156
> described as lawful to an anal level
And will turn on you the moment you do anything that would offend that obsession with the law.