/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

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First for unhelpful mould-line autism.

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Reposting the pdf

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It's a small thing, but with that bundle they put up today, FW also put up a pdf with all the rules released so far for custodes in one file.

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>>51308685
It just seems odd to have such nicely freehanded icons on a sloppily prepped model.

Not sure if the knob on the bold pistol is supposed to be there but if so it's different from others I've seen.

>>51308662
>double tech heresy

Come ON, I'm not that bad. The monstrosities are Biologis standard, it's just the Nid claws and Carapace, the Dark Lances, the Skaven plating and the Chaos launchers.

Also I just need to build and paint my Knight and I can get started. Going to be fun.

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>>51308788
It's mostly the bulked-up Cortex-Ogryns you'll use as Castellax. It gives my cogitator fuzzy feelings

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>>51308681
Dread fights are such a joy.

>>51308778
That's the rear sight you dolt.

>>51308835
The tiny knob on top of the rearward block?

Inferno isnt going to be at the weekender

Pushed back till July

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>>51308778
the leg thing is a scroll

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>>51308853
Why are you lying?

>>51308846
Yes.
And the backpack itself is the issue, that mold is horrible

>>51307965
>>51308363
>>51308405

There ain't no way that FW is going to do resin versions of the custodes that GW has already made in plastic. Plastic has better profit margins, FW is overloaded with work as it is, and they don't like doing line troops anyway they'd rather be making the big and flashy stuff. You can expect more things like the grav tanks and dreadnought, a few special characters, and perhaps some weapon upgrades if you're lucky. The only reason to do resin infantry is if they're a significantly different option in the army list.

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>>51308823
I find it kind of sad in some ways, a bit like the last stage of the Liquid boss fight in MGS4, where it's two old men at the limits of their endurance, sustained by unnatural technology, after spending their lives fighting so long in a war in the absence of which they would be (battle) brothers. ;_;

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>>51308871
yes its very difficult to remove completely with a knife

>>51308911
Why does he have claws instead of fingers.

>>51308858
But that's even worse if it's a modeled feature that's been sloppily painted over.

>>51308871
No, it isn't the rear sight, it's where the bolt pistol attaches to the plastic sprue. There's a nub or indenture left from it being cut off the sprue.

As for the backpack, FW replaces miscast ones, just provide pictures and an order number. Most Chinamen replace them too AFAIK.

>>51308820
I'm surprised they aren't in wider use. Can't believe no one bulked up a Praetorian and inloaded Castellax kill-engrams before. Scoria was kind enough to lend me some custom blueprints.

I love Nid kits, most of the options are still there even if they're not in the book anymore.
Also got my hands on some MKIII carcasses from Istvaan, I'm sure I can do something with them.
(Blackshield Chimerae+1T, probably. Need some Magos meatshields.)

>>51308823
Quick, someone shop a dread on his desk.

>>51308882
Why not? They made their own model of Land Raider, when there was plastic one. They have tonnes of their own SM and a lot of stuff. Do they ever released rules for something that is using not their model? It must be from FW or have no existing model at all.

>>51308951
Which legion would Putin and other world ea- I mean world leaders play?

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How do I de-gloss transfers? Will matte medium work?

Also I finished my Omega Marine.

I'll do final highlights, bases, cleanup, and weathering when I have finished all 18.

>>51308961
There are different models of Land Raiders. Are there different models of Custodes?

Like I can see them making upgrade sets or maybe even characters, but I doubt they'd make a whole new set. Even most Land Raiders use the plastic one as a basis.

>>51308989
Varnish them and it goes away.

>>51308976
Kharn is Russian.
I reckon Trump would play Custards because Gold, or SoH because they're the Best.

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>>51308895
It's a fight between two strong willed heroes who refused to die. I didn't need those feels.
>>51308951
Notice the tv.

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>>51308989
And the next 4. It should be obvious, but BA, WS, SoH, IH.

Eventually I'm doing a world eater, imperial fist, salamander in mk 3. The raven guard in mk 6.

>>51309018
>Kharn is Russian.
Only because of his future accent of the translation of his High Gothic.
I bet he doesn't even squat :^)

>>51308961
>They made their own model of Land Raider

Which is a different unit with its own rules. If you really expect FW to make their own version of the plastic Custodes with shields, swords and spears, you're in for a looooong wait. All you're gonna get are conversion kits to the existing models or completely different models for totally different units.

>They have tonnes of their own SM

Which existed before BaC and BoP. So they have no reason to just drop them as long as they got stocks and moulds, and people buy them.

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>>51308989
>Omega Marine
?

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>>51309018
Trump could go Milita, Fists, Custodes, and SoHs. Given that video on him about revenge gives me a SoH vibe. Paul Manafort is definitely a Son of Horus. Have the head Fin's office. So neat.

R8 my Zone Mortalis List

1250 Ultramarines.

=== HQ ===

Praetor : Mantle of Ultramar, Iron Halo, Mastercrafted Paragon Blade, Power Fist, Digital Weapons +++ 220

=== ELITES ===

Invictarus Suzerain Squad (5) +++ 200

Contemptor Dreadnought (1) : Kheres Assault Cannon +++ 190

=== TROOPS ===

Tactical Squad (10) : Vexilia, Artificier Armor, Power Axe, Melta Bomb, Combat Blade +++ 180

Tactical Squad (10) : Vexilia, Artificier Armor, Power Axe, Melta Bomb, Combat Blade +++ 180

Breacher Squad (10) : Artificier Armor, 2 Meltaguns, 8 Power Swords +++ 280


Any good RoW I could take?

>>51309018
>Kharn is Russian.
He's Arabic though.

>>51309094
Fists seems like the obvious answer because muh walls, but I think he's a blusterer who'll take credit if anything at all anywhere goes right, so Ultrasmurfs it is in my books.
That's assuming he's a loyalist, if he was traitor it'd probably be Emperor's Children I think.

>>51309120
Khârn is from the Urals in Russia.

>>51309096
The Zone Mortalis RoW

>>51309082
Because Alpharius is dead. And the ultramarine sign inverted is an Omega symbol.

>>51309145
Sauce?

Because I prefer this headcanon desu.

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>>51309094
>Trump
>Custodes

>>51309154
>>51309120
Only his name.
Betrayer the Betrayer, enemy of Raven Raven and Iron Hand of the Iron Hands.

>>51308989
1: Gloss varnish the model where the transfer will sit.
2: Apply the transfer.
3: Slap on MicroSol or something like that.
4: Varnish over everything.

Filters, weathering, etc on top of it all will further help blend the decal blend in with the paintjob.

>>51308961

They made their own land raider because it's a version of GW's original from way back in the day. It's also different on the table. Like >>51309003 says, other variants of tanks are generally upgrade kits anyway. The numerous varieties of power armour all date from a while back, and you may have noticed that since BaC came out they've largely released kits that combine with the plastic ones too. FW also have a lot on their plate what with carrying on HH, plus doing BloodBowl, the new Epic, and supposedly Necromunda and BFG too (not to mention stuff for AoS and 40k). The whole reason for doing some of the kits in plastic was to capitalise on their popularity and ease some of the load on FW's casting and sculpting facilities. There's literally no reason to think that they'd make resin versions of kits that they've released in plastic.

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>>51309120
It can go anyway I suppose.

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>>51309163
I asked for the sauce.

Does anyone have both plastic MkIII from BoP and resin MkIII/Breachers from FW? Are there any noticeable differences on their arms?

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If a centurion with a boarding shield joins a unit does the unit benefit from the defensive grenades?

>>51309466

Yep

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Only 15 more alphariuses until the weekender! Inferno! Custodes! Sisters of Silence! Thousand Sons! Space Wolves! Legio Cybernetica! Legio Titanicus! All of the models! Your primarch, your characters, your unique units! Even Valdor and Scoria! All of your dreams! No risk of disappointment! It's 100% happening no risk of last minute changes!

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>>51309713
>Your primarch
;_;

>>51309713
>Your primarch, your characters, your unique units!
I'd rather they make my LA rules not ass.

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>>51309725
Stay strong brother.

Stay strong for the Emperor.

>>51308688
any sign of the Fabius Bile Primogenitor or Leman Russ Primarch book yet?

>>51309754
>Dark Angels complaining while having the best gear and RoW

>>51309758
I swear if you recoloured that disembodied Magnus head he'd look like Link from the legend of Zelda.

>>51309754
Lorgar?

>>51309713
>Scoria
I actually kind of don't want him to show up because I can convert one and use his rules for the Biologis leader, plus he'd be expensive as hell, but at the same time I look forward to seeing what they come up with for him.

Is a Land Raider Proteus worth it without Explorator Augury Web for a unit of 10 Seekers/Tactical Support just to hide in until turn 2-3, like a giant Rhino with Lascannons?

>>51309772
>the best gear and RoW
Plasma Repeaters are useless because 12" Salvo
Calibanite Warblades are only good for Apothecaries and Axe/Sword Chaplains
Terranic Greatswords are AP3 and only available on HQ's

Stasis ordnance are nice
Molecular Acid Shells make Heavy Bolters great again.

Our Rites are potent but incredibly limiting and cookie cutter.

>>51309893

Proteus, especially with the extra dual lascannons, is pretty sweet. It gives seekers an option for decent vehicle hunting.

Giving it the web is pretty good though as seekers with scout are goty

>>51309893
I don't care. I got a Mk1 land raider and I'm going to make it the transport for my cataphractii praetor and command squad.

>>51309893
Doesn't the web take up two seats in the LR?

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Is there any way to get Cassian Dracos into a drop-pod?

>>51310245
Depends if the pod is that sort of woman.

>>51309156
HOLY SHIT

>>51309156
Where's this from?

>>51309713

With the deafening silence over Inferno, how sure are we it's even going to come out on time?

>>51310309
Director of District 9 (and a few other movies) is a very good digital artist.

>>51310317
If dubs, it's not happening.

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>>51310337
>not sure if this counts

>>51310317
"'We are all impatient today,' an Iron Warriors captain voxed back to /HHG/. ' Have faith, Anon.' The link went dead to the sound of chuckling."

>>51310336
Neil Blomkamp made this?
But what movie or whatever is it from?

>>51309712
Beautiful

>>51310192
Yeah, that's why I said without the web. I already have two units of 10 and I'd hate to not be able to play with all my dudes, which is why I asked.

>>51310395

IWs should know about waiting bitterly. Where are their Tyrants and Iron Havocs?

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>>51310443
Right here, where they have always been.

>>51310400
https://www.cnet.com/news/donald-trump-air-force-one-limo-neill-blomkamp/

>>51310436
My bad, reading comprehension failed me.

Into the pain glove I go.

>>51310496
Thanks.
He has a good sense of humour then.

Maybe he should direct a 40k film? Heh...

>>51310510
There must have been some Slaanesh warband that have the pain glove under their armour and just fuel themselves on the pain.

>>51310466
I read "Space Wolves had one job" as "Space Wolves handjob".

>>51310575
>Maybe he should direct a 40k film? Heh...
Of course he should. I magine what his bolters would be like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hRqrsZKnec

>>51310757
That was their one job.

>>51310757
>n-no Leman-chan s-stop it!
>You know you want it Magnus-kun you dirty witch~ <3

>>51310767
Just don't let him write it. Or let him, then get someone else to re-shoot the end so that the plucky underdog taking on the powerful people on top cause the downfall of the world to Chaos or Tyranids or something.

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>>51310757

>>51310806
Most directors whom people say they are good aren't such well writers, rather they're good SCENE directors, like Zach Snyder and Sucker Punch.
Almost all of his scenes are worthy of being a desktop image, but the actual writing and story are mostly held up in cohesion because of the visuals.

Let him and Neil handle the visuals, let Nolan write the actual stuff in cooperation with...Graham McNeil?

>>51310882
That is pretty much exactly what has gone wrong with sci fi/fantasy movies lately. All of the directors have learned how to make beautiful shots and now copy paste any franchise into the same visual effect-heavy formula (JJ Abrams). You can even see it in the sameness of every trailer they put out.

Nothing feels unique from the AAA content creators.

>>51310931
>You can even see it in the sameness of every trailer they put out.
It doesn't help the trailer-makers also happen to do exactly the same trailer over and over again.

>>51309156
What country is this

What kind of iconography fits some deathguard freehand?

>>51310990
Great Britain. That's what they drive the queen around in when the horse-drawn carriage is being repainted.

>>51311013
Britfag here, can confirm.

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>>51311012
Scythes, Skulls, skellies, hazardous chemicals warnings and such.

>>51310317
The new Custodes stuff lacks experimental rules, while the older grav tank had them, indicating imminent real rules.

>>51310028
On that note, where is the extra hull-mounted weapon supposed to be placed on the Proteus?

I'm a bit rough on my iconography: how often did Legions utilize unit markers, like the Tactical Squad arrow or Heavy Support chevron? I know they were, and remained very popular with the Ultras, but how often did others use them?

>>51311350
If they have an FW transfer sheet, check it.

>>51311265
On a Predator turret on top of it :^)
Maybe placed like and where the twin linked Assault cannon is mounted on the Land's Raider Redeemer.

>>51311350
Nigger-kun I literally just posted the same kind of markings for the Death Guard.
Enough spoon-feeding, grab the damned book.

>>51310882
District 9 was good. Everything after that was mediocre.

Recently was given about 10 of the custodes spears and swords and some shields as well and was considering buying some stormcast sigmar guys for a conversion into custodes. Are they 30k viable as battle brothers or is prospero a standalone at the minute?

>>51311265
On the hull mount that's on the Armoured Proteus. Of course it requires conversion work, since the lascannons were added recently in the rules while the model itself only comes with TL HBs.

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>>51311583
Stormcast? Using an armoured model as the basis for your conversion? Oh no no no, anon. You know what you really need to do.

>>51311555
I didn't hate Elysium and it has some nice visuals. Don't like it that they had to bring Wikus "Fookin'" Dikus back. Would have taken balls to kill the bad dude in such an unceremonious way. And the actual end was just sappy bullshit.

Does anyone else see Heliothermic Detonation? Suffers instant death? What the actual fuck?

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>>51311699
Get fucked robot-spam shitters

>>51311470
Sticking it into the top hatch could possibly look decent, with like a razorback or contemptor lascannon mildly converted.

>>51311682
My main problem with Elysium is that it did the lazy modern move of all rich people are evil because they are rich. Basically the plot of every "dark" sci fi movie in recent years.

>>51311583
I thought about it at some point (even got a bunch of high elf heads), but then GW dropped the official plastic models and now I don't know. If custodes get standard bolter dudes (as seen in old art), I might reconsider. Some fancy backpacks and some large bolter, like the phobos, might work for them. Thanks to the various AoS sets those Siegmarine models are dirt cheap.

>>51311645
If only the models weren't so expensive. I just got the one WD one, which I sure as shit am going to make into a Custodes character once rules drop.

>[aroused snickering intensifies]

>>51311718
And any HQ you ever loved.

>>51311699
>>51311718

>Toughness check
>On a t7 robot

Really not going to do much.

So what do we think is a good bodycount for the two custodes units we have?
MSU of 3?
Middle road 5/6?
Or fewer, larger squads of 9?

>>51311752
Yeah, rich (old and/or white) people are the worst. How original and Current idea.

>>51311823
Its going to maul HQs and 2w terminators.

>>51311854
Depends on how many they can fit into their transport vehicle.

>>51311854
Depends on cost
Where can I see their rules?

>>51311953
Here:
>>51308761

>>51311953
On Burning of Prospero page on GW site they have a pdf in downloads with the 'golden legion detachment. 1-3 units and 2 units confer a 6+ invulnerable and 3 units confer a 5+. With shields its a 2+ invulnerable with two units.

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Opinions on my cut job
>anon said knife is just far too big but if you cut the straps off
>try with knife, then clippers for the end part
>try to get a flat edge on both
>fail but like the slight curve as it's like a kukhri or falchion, whatever Hannibal uses in Rome 2
It definetly fits scale better
yay Trump, hopefully he'll get an article in white dwarf like Reagan did, and maybe they'll use anon's art

>>51312302

>>>>>>Like an 'X'
>>>>>>lists two entirely different blades.

this retard.

>>51308761
Haha oh shield Bulwark. You only need one model with defensive grenades to count for the whole unit. You can have all but two spread out to minimize blast exposure and still trigger it.

Why do you do this FW? First you keep spamming "Must always make sweeping advances" like you had a choice to begin with, now this?

>>51312345
>whatever Hannibals troops used at Zama
Sorry for focusing my autism on what chainswords are called rather than actual weapons

>>51312302
Falcata although the Iberians called them xiros.

>>51312345
>>51312432
Thankyou anon, this is what we want in our general

>>51312345
He probably meant Falcata instead of Falchion, since those are similar to Kukris to the non-autist eye.
Don't be such bully anon

copying from discord because >muh response time:

Hey lads. Conversion/army idea: Wulfen legs + frost claw arms + Calth bodies, backpacks, bits and heads. Painted black, frost claws would be made to look like bone growths. I'll use them as Black Dragons/Wulfen in 40k and power sword Vets in 30k. Should I do it?

>>51312185

Those are the 40k rules idiot

>>51312592
>Wulfen legs
No, no you should not. Especially not if you plan to run them as black dragons.

Reading the new space shark book

The breastplate bore in its centre an embossed skull and twin lightning bolts, the crest of the ancient Terran Pacification War, the Chapter’s first battle honour.

Plus all the talk of exile edicts, exile tattoos, and the like match up with book 3 fluff.

I wonder if the 1d4chan space shark page is still full of loyalist night lord shillers? I avoid the lore section of 1d4 because if theyre ever wrong it becomes an edit war.

>>51312640
Why?

>>51312657
Dragons generally don't have furry legs.

>>51312669
From the looks of things I could pretty easily paint them as dragon scales.

>>51312678
Then how could they be wulfen in 40k

>>51312698
...they wouldn't be. They'd be Black Dragons, mutated Salamander successors.

>>51312698
Not >>51312678 but they would probably be 'counts as' wulfen for game reasons

>>51312698
>scalies ain't furries

Don't be that furry, anon.

>>51312678
>>51312712
M8, no. They very obviously have paws, it's not going to look like a lizard.

>>51312751
Their feet are separate bits. I can probably greenstuff some simple lizard toes on.

>>51312770
I would go to the wip thread here on tg and ask them.

>>51312592
Problem is that wulfens are larger than basic marines and come on 40mm bases.

>>51312849
True. They'd fit on 32mm, though--more tall than wide. Still, I'll probably make some kind of greenstuff rings to convert between.

Also from the shark book:

Amon Cull stared out of the primary viewing port of the
Last Breath
. The Prince of Thorns stared
back at him – naked, jet hair lying lank about his shoulders, corpse-white flesh puckered with neural
ports and scarred by ritual kill-tallies

did you write this curzefag?

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How come WE dreads or Knights don't have axes like the SW dreads in 40k do?

>>51312941
>buckle the fuck up, little doggy, we're bringing freedoms here if it kills us, or better yet, them
that game was a goddamn masterpiece

>>51312967
>Freedom cannot be forced on others. It must be earned.

>>51312967
Despite getting saturated by all the memes and shit, I have to say that when I finally played it for the very first time and got to this scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM33Hr94SKw
I was nursing a semi.

>>51310245
Yeah, just take a dreadclaw

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Huzzah, finished a second Rhino. These are so boring to paint.

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>>51313235
Looks good to these eyes.

>>51312941
Don't think WE have Knights.

As for dreads, you can put that SW dread axe on another dread (even a contemptor), it just had to be on the right arm (unless you want to do some cutting and gluing).

>>51308681
I like how the guy with the stick is all
>do you not see that fucking dreadnought you dumb shit?

Man, for some reason I find it extremely difficult to use Breachers properly. Every time I under-estimate their resilience and manouvre them way to conservatively, rather than shoving them in the enemy's face and going 'deal with it'

I think I'm stuck too deep in being a sneaky ALfag.

>>51313261
I should have said Knights in general.

>>51312941
>Dreadnought close combat weapon
You just don't have any imagination.

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>>51313305
I'm not the only one who had that idea.

>>51313329
How do you get a twinned HB and a DCCW on one arm?

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>>51313303
You're just not trying hard enough.

>>51313235
This is the pain you chose

>>51313329
I felt some bile at the back of my throat after looking at that conversion ...

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>>51313368
I don't know.
>>51313373
I would have said that looks amazing but it's Khorne garbage. -10/10
>>51313387
Well take this then.

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>>51313329
Hey thats a cool spear I guess-wait what the fuck is-is that a heavy bolter? With no ammo supplying it? On a relic contemptor? Send help

>>51313373
What's with the face in the ground.

>>51313485
The ammo belts are in the arms and go upwards to the guns.

>>51313505
Anon, that is a razorback turret, it looks shit.
If you were going for a wrist mounted stormbolter, why not use a pintle stormbolter?

>>51313505
Must be Hammerspace tech. Because no way is that ammo fitting.

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>>51313539
>>51313548
I like the idea of it so maybe I'm a little biased. Want to see more conversions?

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>>51313587

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After boring Rhinos, this guy is a welcome change. Aside from base layers I've only really put any work into the helmet.

>>51313288
How DO you use Breachers correctly? In a Land Raider? Foot slogging distraction carnifex?

>>51313843
Nice taste in helmets.

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Strength modifiers: First multiplicative, then additive boni, right?
E.g. a S4 model has +1 S from some source as well as a powerfist. It'd strike at S9, barring some other boni. Unless I am mistaken, obviously.
For Furious Charge it has been faq'd, but I just want to be clear.

>>51313843
Somehow I imagined him with one of those IW kit skull mask helmets. Then he could blend in with all the beep boops.

>>51313843

You should keep him all silver like that.

>>51313916
>boni

Lol.

It works the way that gives it the lowest result. So the way you said. S10 ain't going to be just handed to you.

>>51313846
Infiltrating or scout means they don't need the Land Raider to get in optimal range, which allows for a apothecary to be attached to the unit, or even a chapain too so they never ever run away. Then you should use them to be in the way to protect your more valuable units, bait out charges, tie down units in close combat, limit the movement options of enemy units ... just be annoying as fuck.

But I always keep them too far back and then get suprised again by how long it takes them to die.

>>51313916
Correct.

>>51313983
How do I get them to be infiltrating if I play Ultrasmurfs?

>>51314025
Rolling the right warlord trait from the Strategic table.

>>51308688
Glad someone saved it.

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>>51314025
Play """"""Ultrasmurfs""""""""" instead. ;^)

>>51314120
Ssssh, your Primarchs are dead

>>51313843
Wow that looks great, is that just a standard helmet?

I have been trying to decide between a standard helmet or the IW skull one, as >>51313933
mentioned

>>51309288
Betrayer or the First Heretic I reckon.

ADB makes it easy as fuck to determine regions of provenance of Terrans, and depicts them as slightly tanned very often.

>>51313933
>>51314184

It was tempting to use the IW contemptor head, but it was a tad too large to fit comfortably. I opted for the DG one since it has a pretty nice MK II-esque design. The FW upgrade helms are far too small.

>>51314235
Contemptor head, nice to know. Thanks anon!

Did it require any shaving in the back or did it naturally fit that well?

>>51314265
It fit pretty well, but I extended it a couple of mm on the bottom so it would be tall enough to fit his head, since the contemptor helm is a bit short. Easy sculpt, just had to make sure the vents were extended too.

>>51312651
You know damn well these guys are shitposters.

However, I'll play devil's advocate here, and argue that TECHNICALLY, NL could have Terran Pacification War honours as well, even though we know damn well these are Batshit insane RG.

>>51314292
Are you going to keep him like that or is there more painting to be done? I am digging the minimalistic look.

>>51313843
Fucking lovely work matey. I saw that exact same conversion on google, I presume you saw it as well. Patrician taste and work anon.

>>51314235
What about beep boop head?

>>51314301
If you read the full book, which has been a fun read thus far at the very least, there are purposefully placed things like Nomad Predation Fleet which is only ever mentioned in Terran XIX and Carcahrodon Fluff, the chief libby is nicknamed The Pale Nomad, Theyve been following the Edicts of Exile and predation for 10k years, lining up with the first predation sent by corax, and many other narrative motifs and parallels only found in only those two fluff sources. Thus linking them.

The NL side of the story is weird and fetishy for some reason, but the shark side is really cool.

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>>51314329
I've barely started him, heh. The rest of his armour will be shaded to match the tones of the helmet, and there'll be more black for cables, tubing etc. My IW's have a bronze highlighted up to silver again, so it blends in a fair bit. He'll have some of that too.

>>51314332
Cheers and yep, a while back. For some reason they didn't extend the head, so it looked like he had no neck.

>>51314351
I didn't own an Iron Circle at the time I bought him, so had no means to test it. I suppose it could work, but it's not the look I'd go for really.

>>51313846
I'm a fan of graviton guns in Breacher squads. You probably won't be able to infiltrate, so take 10 in a Land Raider, drive up to an objective and sit on it. Between the graviton guns and the LR you can keep tanks and dreads away, and you should keep a veteran or support squad in a Rhino nearby to come help against infantry. Maybe two squads in Land Raiders moving forward, 24-30" apart, with a support squad with flamers in a Rhino in between them.

Units of 10 aren't common, but it's small squads that got a points drop in the last red book, and big squads are survivable but get so expensive that you have to keep piling points onto them to make them useful (i.e. Spartan) and that changes your list to being designed around that one unit.

>>51313843
Still holding out for a badass Alpharius/Omegon model but FUCK that is a sick Perty. Gr8 job.

>>51314435
I've always done the opposite of that with my breachers. I use to use them as my death star but since I've gotten my sigil shield and assault cannons I switched over to termites. 20 of them in a spartan with Alexis and an apothecary always wrecked shit in my gaming group. I still use a blob or two of 15 to hold choke points and funnel shit into them for the defensive grenades.

>>51313235
Needs weathering powders. Great, though.

>>51314773
>switched over to termites
>20 of them in a spartan
Is "termites" a misspelling of termies, which you can't fit 20 of in a Spartan?

>>51314801
I meant 20 breachers. Don't knock my termite squad dude, they've carried me so far.

>>51314866
>FW will never make a termite
>or a mole
>or a hellbore

>>51314375
>IH chest

disgust.jpg

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>>51310757

>>51310466
I cant wait to play this

How is the Stormwolf size-wise compared to a Storm Eagle?

>>51312302
>yay Trump, hopefully he'll get an article in white dwarf like Reagan did, and maybe they'll use anon's art

what are you talking about.

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Who pilots these things?

>>51317111

Designated and highly trained drivers.

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>>51316983

>>51317168
Modern GW is too chickenshit and Trump's presidency too "controversial" for them to dare doing anything like this because the media says he's an evil hate-mongering racist.

Would be nice, though.

>>51317136
40k equivalent of the Stig?

They wouldnt delay Inferno without notice, would they?

i mean, people are buying plane tickets and booking hotels to go to the weekender

>>51317556
;^)

>>51317556
>entitlement
Those are all decisions they made. Any consequences that stem from them are their responsibility.

>>51317618
True, they should just be happy with the knight heads and tau battlesuit alternate weapons that they'll get the honor of purchasing early :^)

>>51317435
More like the minis aren't made in the US so they're going to get a tariff slapped on them.

>>51317556

They've said nothing. That's worrying.

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>>51314111
Glad someone shared it.
>>51313843
>>51313879
>>51313933
>>51314235
>>51314265
I'm a fan of Primarchs wearing helmets. This is what I think is Mortarion's helmet, obvs he wears best mark.

>>51317888
Trips of Tax

>>51317111
>If they let the White Scars design dreadnoughts

>>51317556
hopefully they're doing that for the opportunity to meet and talk with the studio guys

because that's really the reason to go to those WHW events

>>51309156
this needs to real and american right fucking now!

Are Knight Titans ever part of Titan Legions?

I ask because it seems like they were in older stuff like Epic, and by the talking about Adeptus Titanicus it sounds like that is the way it is in current fluff too. Also why're Knight Houses part of the Taghmata rather than the Titan Legions?

>>51319491
Knight Titans can serve alongside them, but are not part of the legions themselves, as Knights are part of Martian/Non-Martian noble houses that control them.

>>51319510

They can be oath-bonded to Titan Legions, in which case the Knight becomes a part of the Titan legion for the rest of the Knight's service.

>Occasionally, the Adeptus Mechanicus will decree that a household detachment must remain with the Titan Legion permanently. When this is the case, the Nobles will change their vows of allegiance and heraldry from their house to the Titan Legion they now serve, and will be given an honorific title by the master of the legion to better reflect their new status.

>>51319510
>>51319544
So it can be appropriate for a knight titan to have the heraldry for a titan legion then? I'm itching to paint one up in the Legio Fureans colour scheme.

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>>51319559

Very much so. You can have a Knight that is now permanently part of a Titan Legion and shares their colours and heraldry.

Though Fureans is noted as having no allied Knight Houses.

>>51319571
Excellent! Thank you so much, anon.

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Only 14 aphas until the weekender, how great is that!

>under a thunder storm warning and tornado watch
>flash flood warning until 8:39
Guys, post minis to cheer me up if you'd please.

>>51319872
Of course anon Kun. Of Course.

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>>51319947
Here are a bunch of my primed boys, I'm batching them out in groups of 20-40. Priming the Arms, Backback and Head separately due to me being afraid of losing detail.

I have a combination of two Iron Hands MKIII kits, four MKII Despoiler Kits and I have five MKIII Prospero kits.

I'm building Black shields so the amalgamation is cool in a thematic way.

>>51319964
I wish I could prime using the spray but sadly I live in the most moist city in the nation.

>>51319947
As far as paint scheme goes, I have a pretty straight forward process currently.

Base Imperial Primer, Warplock Bronze for the arm, Ironbreaker for the blade, Nihilak Oxide on the arm, typhus corrision on the blade, dry brush over the arm with warplock bronze, go over the blade with typhus corrosion, dry brush the arm with Runelord Brass, Dry brush the blade with Ryza dust, edge lighlight the blade by dry brushing runefang steel.

Easy peasy.

>>51319977
Its been raining here, what I've been doing is quickly priming them, letting them sit for a few moments while I inspect them, then I bring them inside to dry on a rack.

There really aren't any health concerns with the paint drying inside due to the aerosol settling rather rapidly. So long as you are drying at around room temperature you should be fine in my opinion.

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>>51320001
Forgot my image like a dumb.

>>51320001
I should have also mentioned it's far too cold beside the moisture but it is a shame. Tried priming an old mini and it was ruined but that's what old test minis are for.

I JUST WANT TO PAINT MY WORD BEARERS AND DIAZ DEAMONETTES RIDING PENISES!

>>51320016
You could go with an space heater if you built a small drying chamber.

maybe four by four box, open in the front with slots in the back for airflow?

>>51320016
Space heat to taste? You can find a way to hobby my friend, I have a desk/gaming/hobbying space in a two bedroom apartment. I'm having to figure out how to utilize all my shit efficiently hahaha.

>>51308853
Given the custodes vehicles didnt get rules, i'm skeptical of that.

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>>51319947
>>51319964
Thanks, Anon. This board always knows how to cheer me up. Have some Orthodox art.
>>51320016
>I JUST WANT TO PAINT MY WORD BEARERS AND DIAZ DEAMONETTES RIDING PENISES!
Gay!

>>51320058
Why would they release rules if the products release is imminent?

>>51320031
I have a balcony, would it be possible to have the box right at the door and spraying outwards?

>>51320067
Probably? Assuming you have positive airflow (IE lots of airflow) from inside through your drying chamber and out you should be fine. The only issue is ensuring that the temperature of your drying apparatus doesn't begin to decline.

If you had something like a doggy door as the exit opening that maintained the insulating factor of say, a sliding door you could probably guarantee positive airflow. The question would be if you could get the temperature inside the drying chamber to stay at a steady 70-80 degrees. THAT might require some insulation on the outside or inside of the box.

RALDORON, First Captain of the Blood Angels, Equerry of Sanguinius

Points 210 WS7 BS5 S4 T4 W4 I6 A4 Ld10 Sv2+

Jump Infantry (Character)
1 (Unique)

Wargear:
Artificer Armour
Inferno Pistol
Iron Halo
The Sword Perfectus +1S AP2 Melee Specialist Weapon, Murderous Strike, Deathfire

Special Rules:
Eternal Warrior
Furious Charge
Independant Character
Legiones Astartes (Blood Angels)

Warlord Trait:
Descent of Angels: All Jump Infantry, Jetbikes and Skimmers in the detachment roll scatter 1d6 inches when deepstriking. In addition, when rolling reserves for Jump Infantry, Flyers, Jetbikes and Skimmer units may re-roll the reserve dice.

>>51320097
Its not immediately obvious to me what deathfire does and deepstriking 1d6 in addition to re-rolling reserves for skimmers/Jetbikes/Jump Infantry is not a Warlord trait, that is a very strong special rule. If this is a Praetor it needs MotL and shouldn't have four wounds or Eternal Warrior.

Take a look at Abaddon's entry, or Sigismund. The greatest named characters in HH have eternal warrior and NOT four wounds. None of them have both, choose one and roll with it.

Praetor ( 265-275pts )
-Iron Halo 25pt
-Paragon Blade 25pt
-Jump Pack 20pt
-Arachaeotech Pistol 20pt
+1 WS 10pt
+1 I 10 pt
+1 W 15pt
Eternal Warrior +20pt
Furious Charge +10pt
Deathfire (not sure what it does) +10-20 points

Your boy should be more expensive.

>>51320140
>Take a look at Abaddon's entry, or Sigismund. The greatest named characters in HH have eternal warrior and NOT four wounds.
Abaddon has neither, and Sigismund has both.

>>51320097
Example character creation.

Dickbag Mcgee ( 187pts )

Praetor Statline +1T -1I

Wargear:
Cataphracti Terminator Armour (35 pts)
Volkite Charger (7pts)

Volkite Axe: +2str AP2 Unwieldy, 2handed, Deflagrate (25 pts)

Special Rules:

Legiones Startes: (Blackshield)

Tough Enough: Immune to Blind and Concussive (+20 points)

I took the points values of basic wargear, evaluated the traits and combined positives with draw backs. But most importantly I kept it simple, my death star oriented HQ is not buffing my entire army while being under costed.

>>51320097
>>51320140
I was thinking about making him Sigismund priced, but turns out I misremembered his cost.

His sword needs toning down.

>>51320151
Sigisumund is the proclaimed greatest fighter to ever exist, and he has both while not buffing his entire army. >>51320189

>>51320189
No stress bruh! It doesn't really matter, try to be more objective.

>>51320140
>>51320185
>>51320191
>>51320258
Alright, next one:
TARGUTAI YESUGEI, Chief Stormseer of the White Scars
Points 215 WS5 BS5 S4 T4 W3 I5 A3 Ld10 Sv2+ 4++

Infantry (Character)
1 (Unique)

Wargear:
Force Staff
Artificer Armour
Iron Halo
Archeotech Pistol

Special rules:
Adamantium Will
Independant Character
Legiones Astartes (White Scars)
Master of the Legion
Psyker (Mastery Level 3)
Yesugei draws powers from Biomancy and Divination
Stubborn

Warlord Trait:
Strategic Genius: You add +1 to Seize the Initiative roll, In addition, whilst your Warlord is alive, you can re-roll any Reserve Rolls.

>>51318063
kek

Nykona Skarrowkin

Points ??? WS6 BS8 S4 T4 W3 I6 A4 Ld10 Sv3+

Jump Infantry (Character)
1 (Unique) (Sharrowkin may only be taken in a Loyalist Shattered Legions force)

Wargear:
Silenced Jump Pack (reduce the range of augery scanners, and any other equipment that triggers on/prevents deep strike, by 6")
Shadowmaster Cameleoline (grants the Stealth special rule, and allows all failed cover saves to be rerolled)
2x Fractal-Harrow blade
Needle rifle (assault 3 rending bolter)
Frag & krak grenades

Special Rules:
Legiones Astartes (Raven Guard)
Independent Character
Legion Support Officer
Precision shots
Wraith-slip (Sharrowkin has a 5+ invulnerable save (increasing to a 3+ in a challenge) and the Move Through Cover special rule)
Because Fuck You, That's Why (in a challenge with a model with the Legiones Astartes (Emporer's Children) special rule, Sharrowkin's WS, S, I and A are increased to 10)

>>51313090
Don't tell me they had included some americore song in a MGS OST.

>>51320140
m8 this is a blood angel, the true emperor's finest, and he's their mainman, the only reason Askellon is the master of the SanuginaryGuard is because he has the bet boipucci

>>51320526
Librarians are Consuls, therefore should not have MotL. Try to stay within existing costs/taxes please. It helps with the consistency of your character.

>>51320627
Oh I get it. Parody.

>>51320735
Eh. I was kind of being serious up until the last rule.

It's really tricky to think of what to do with his gun that isn't just "seeker bolter" or "he's got Exodus's Instrument lol".

>>51317435
>modern GW is too chickenshit
>what is releasing bundles that got far less than the base parts
>what is announcing models when a 5x4 pic was leaked to BolS

>>51320727
Not thay anon, but his title is 'Chief Stormseer' meaning he's the head librarian in the same way the Salamanders have a Head Chaplain who has MotL.

How do you kit your Magi, fellow Domini?
I obviously want my Dominus or Reductor Archmagos to have all the durability and support toys, but I'm not sure whether to give him any weapons. He has a power axe with effectively +2A, flamer and inferno pistol anyway.

Maybe a Power/Chainfist just to win duels? I don't know whether he is likely to wind up in a scrap since I have no game experience yet.

>Finally get a day off to prime backlog
>Can runs out after 2 Rhinos and 2 Vindicators
> 44 dudes, quad mortar and crew sitting unprimed on desk for 2 more weeks

>>51320923
Proper preparation prevents piss-poor priming, anon.

>>51320940
I am become failure

>>51310834
Can we get a Dorn TTSD subtitle saying 'I agree' because le pain glove XDD

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>>51321033
>>51310834

>>51320955
Destroyer of projects

>>51320727
>are consuls so should not have MotL
What is delegatus

>>51310931
>>51310965
Trailer-makers will always make the same trailers. I don't think I've ever seen a trailer that was ever very different from its peers, save perhaps teasers, but they don't really count.

It's hard to tell when a good director fucks up the writing whether it's incompetence, over-ambition, studio meddling (often an excuse by fans), or doesn't-give-a-fuckness like JJ Abrams definitely has.

>>51321117
What is paying the tax for a consul choice that enables you to have MotL. I try to steer clear of designing units or characters that invalidate other options. Its more effective to design within a niche than to design a straight upgrade.

>>51321069
That fucking series. I've started reading all Dorn's lines in BL books in his voice from the emporer-text-to-speech videos, and it's really weird.

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Yellowpill me on Vigil Pattern Storm Shields, /HHG/. Are they even worth it on Cataphractii versus Indomitus or Tartaros?
And if any of you have tried mixing in assault cannon termies with Storm Shield termies, how has that worked out?

>>51321169
It's a good voice. Very close to how I imagined him beforehand. Though of course in the books I imagine him being less deadpan.

>>51321080
Let's be fair:

Delayer of Projects

>>51316947
Thicker vertically but not as wide. similar in length

>>51321169
eh the voice doesn't fit for
>sleeping on my father's belt OWO
Dorn
>>51321205
But anon-kun Tartaros can't take stormshields, and take Powerfist-SS as they just look cool

>>51321235
>sleeping on my father's belt
It's his Granddaddy's cape isn't it?
>But anon-kun Tartaros can't take stormshields
T R I G G E R E D

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>>51321235
>eh the voice doesn't fit for
>>sleeping on my father's belt OWO
>Dorn
I am feeling these feels.

>>51321326
>>51321235
>>51321291
Should be pelt sorry although you can always jerk off to Dorn having a BDSM fetish and gifting his sons 'the painglove' after being disciplined at an early age with his father's belt

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>>51321361
This comment went from feely to Curzefag. Fitting considering we're talking about the VIIth and the VIIIth.
>>51320627
>>51320526
>>51320097
FW's standard creation formula is to roll for a statline increase, add +20pts and a special rule (not necessarily one from the table). That's usually it, barring Sigi-tiers, and even he kind of follows the same formula.

>>51321460

...huh, I only just realised they don't have any ranged upgrades and half of the morale ones only apply in melee.

What are non-melee heroes supposed to take? Just roll for more characteristics constantly?

Are Custodes really that unplayable without a transport? I've literally never seem them in a 30k game or batrep and they've been out for a while now. Literally the only thing I've seen of them is when Ash played the board game for a few videos and that's it.

I kind of want to stick a squad into an army so I can get one of their tanks as well, but without a transport... ehhh. It doesn't help that their 30k rules are honestly pretty terrible compared to their 40k rules.

>>51321527
>non-melee heroes
Like Exodus, ranged Magi and who else?

>>51321535

Solar Auxilla leaders? In a mostly marine setting they really shouldn't be trying for melee if they can avoid it.

>>51321535
Siege consuls, artillery loaders, HM engineers?

>>51321545
>>51321542
They can buy small arms only, but they could boost nearby troops.
I told you: you may use other tables to roll on.

Rask rolled and recieved Stubborn
Abaddon got Teleporter assault & Fearless

Some higher tier characters like Kyr and Sigismund got three extra rules, on top of what a regular character would get.
So that is the upper limit.

Also, what's the deal with Siege Breakers?
They can be somewhat choppy themselves and have close quarters bombs...but they buff heavy weapons and have a vox.
I consider a MoS to be the better option.

>>51321641
Imagine the pain a Siege Breaker in terminator armour with chainfist and powerdagger could lay down on anything with an armour value.

That's at least 4 attacks with armourbane ánd tank-hunter

>>51321677
Too bad the only squad such a SB could boost would be stolen Tyrants.
Because Fulmentarii have Tank Hunters of their own. Or a single Justaerin Multimelta. That's it.

>>51321718
Or flashbang IH, with 10 TH

>>51321755
The Siege Breaker's Art of Destruction rule only boosts the ranged attacks of the attached Infantry squad's Heavy Weapons, anon.

That's right, they don't affect Ordnance weapons or artillery models either, meaning a Siege Breaker in a Rapier team is doing absolutely nothing.

>>51321755
Siege Breaker only buffs other's Heavy shooting weapon attacks.

Personally I wouldn't mind running a siegebreaker just as a melee wrecking ball. Give him some phospex grenades, infiltrate alongside some terminators and send him in to wreck some shit.

So what's the "polite limit" on the use of Cybernetica in 2k/2.5k games?

My Genetor army I've just ordered some kits for essentially buy Castellax in boxes of 3, since they use Stormvermin bodies. (Which will need an ungodly amount of work to remove all the spikes and detail and replace it with Admech and Bullgryn armour, but that's the way the world works)

This means I'm probably going to have 6, two S10 melee/Maulerbolt, 2 Darkfire Cannons and two undecided. Add in a Thanatar and maybe a Vulturax or some Vorax.

Would that be a reasonable list to expect people to fight? Eventually it's going to be fairly combined-arms, with a couple Reductor tanks, some Thallax and Magi of all types, but I'm starting with the Cybernetica.

Also, does anyone have the technique for greenstuffing on rivets? Going to need lots of them.

>>51321874
Using more than 2k/2.5k points is a dick move.

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>people recommend The Last Church
>finally listen to it
>mfw

When did the Emperor's ban of religion go from "it's so that Chaos can't use it as a disguise to trick people" into m'lady territory?

>>51322244
Checked

Didn't like the story but he could be, ya know, keeping chaos a secret

>>51322244
Since he tried explaining it to a old priest who wouldn't have a clue what chaos was?
I don't know, like many BL books, it's good writing ruined by the authors opinions about canon, or in this case, politics.
When YOU set up the world's religions yourself then YOU can determine whether they should be a part of your galaxy spanning Empire

>>51322244
Listen? Damn, I merely read it.
Who voices the Emperor?

>>51322258
>>51322292
Yeah, but did you really get the impression from him that he was lying to the old priest to hide that fact, instead of him just sounding like some fedora tipping atheist on the internet?

>>51322298
I didn't even know it was in written form, I always got the impression it was an audio book only.

>>51322298
IT;s A text to speech device Great guy just a hard name to pronounce

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>>51322244
Maybe there's reasons.

>>51317435
>Modern GW is too chickenshit and Trump's presidency too "controversial" for them to dare doing anything like this because the media says he's an evil hate-mongering racist.
GW couldn't care less about that.
Trump won't get one because unlike Reagan he is not a believer in free trade and the classical liberal school of economics, and thus won't lower prices by reducing tariffs and making free trade easier.

I like Trump, but his economic policy is quite bad. he certainly doesn't deserve a congratulations for it like Regan got.

>>51322335
>I didn't even know it was in written form
Back in the day it was in 1d4chan. They removed it, but I think I snatched it from a previous edition and pasted it into a Word file.
It was complete.

>>51322335
I got the impression that by the time He was ranting about crusades and shit He was getting exasperated, about how anyone couldn't be as perfect logical as him.
We all know He had an ego, maybe He liked the idea of converting the last religious man on Terra himself and got pissed when it didn't work.

>>51322377
You can just go into the history of the page and look at a preview of a previous version of the page.

>>51322390
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>>51322244
>Human minds trying to comprehend the inhuman & immortal mind of the Emperor as portrayed in the very human interpretation of the author
Kek, it's like reading the Bible all over again and making a fuss about how several excerpts depict God as too human
>>51322411
Yes, that's what i did. What did I say, then?

>>51322371
>Graham looks like that
Far more shaved than I thought he would be

>>51322390
Would have helped if he could have made better arguments than a faggot on an internet forum. But that would require more from the author than a soap box.

>>51322424

Pity that I've heard better arguments from actual theologians than the Emperor. I mean, he doesn't even come across as a SMART human. He sounds like a 13 year old who just realised that maybe his parents were not telling the truth about god.

>>51322411
>>51322377
Or, you could just download the Tales Of Heresy anthology, which contains it.

>>51322244
It's interesting the McNeil would insert the big E talking smack about crusades.

>>51322478
Was the Great Crusade ever referred to as such at the time?

>>51322447
Why would you expect him to be super smart? He is a dude who happened to be born immortal, and cheated his power from Chaos Gods, and expected to get away with it. He is a classical hero undone by hubris.

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@51322880
>when your studies into ancient xenos technology leads you to stumble into the secret of navigating the fourth dimension so you don't use it to fix humanities mistake but instead buy a prophetic NEEEERD company off to publish propaganda about the only person fit to rule Humanity 28,000 years before he reveals himself and subsequently infects the internet with diddy little cyber familiars to shill for them

>>51322880
>Old people aren't smart because they're old. In fact they're all dumb
Sure m8
The devil knows more from experience than from being the devil

>>51322935
Kek I love this.

Won't be around for the summary, busy eating tacos.

>>51322935
>darkmech has weaponized memes.

i-is the Dark Mechanicus the logical evolution of /pol/?

>>51322244
>When did the Emperor's ban of religion go from "it's so that Chaos can't use it as a disguise to trick people" into m'lady territory?

Since the beginning of the Horus Heresy novels. So since the Emperor banned religion.

>>51317888
When did GW close their plant in Memphis?

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>>51323084
It depends on who the Jews are(daemons and Eldar probably), but /pol/ is the new Jews.

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>>51317888
>That British intellectual property about a pre-turkish immortal man written in latinized english with predominant Byzantine themes should be manufactured by american hands! Just like those chinky cars!
d:^)

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>>51323210
When you outjew the jew

>>51323351
OY VEY! IT'S ANUDDA SHOAH!

>>51323370
Srry I had responded to the wrong post.

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>>51323367
Ain't it great?

>>51322556
Yes, by everyone. One of the books even comments of the irony of the name.

>>51323388
Srry I'm going to have to shut this down.

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>>51323381
It's fine mistakes happen. Just like this woman's taste in offices.

>>51323412
>Imperator hominum Vult!

The gravitoncannon rapiers I ordered arrived this weekend, first one assembled right now. Really should have got some of these beauties way earlier, because damn those things look sexy. Don't even care if they're good or bad anymore

>>51322556
Even in the story the Emperor calls it a crusade and the priest calls him out on it.

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>>51323998
BREAD
>>51323998
HERE!
>>51323998