Infinity General: Miles Christi Edition

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>>51273522
Do you plan on playing generic Nomads or Corregidor? Because the answer changes depending on this.
But you can never go wrong with an Intruder with a heavy weapon. And Lupe is already there to provide smoke for him. That is unless you want to play a heavy TAG.
For generic Nomads, Interventors. For Corregidor, Bandits and Morans or Mobile Brigada for the Brigada Pain Train.

>>51275259
I don't know. I bought the half set from ice storm, is that bakunin or coridor?
The intruder should be with a HMG or is the sniper one better?

Are the moiras and riot girls any good?

>>51275919
You should check the tactica in the OP.

The Icestorm half is 3 Algauciles, 1 Spektr, 1 Grenzer, 1 Brigada and 1 Healer. The Algauciles and the girl with the dragon (Lupe) as well as Brigada are all Corregidor, which is why I'm asking. Algauciles and Lupe work great when linked. But if you want to use everything you have, go for vanilla Nomads. Only the Healer is Bakunin.

Moiras and Riot Grrls are much better when playing Bakunin than in vanilla due to the link team rule. Read up on it on wiki. However playing Bakunin means you would lose access to Brigada, Algauciles, Grenzer and some more units. Both Moiras and Riot Grrls can work for low point games though.

As for the Intruder, it's a matter of preference. The HMG one is more aggressive and the Sniper more defensive, although you can still use him to great effect in active turn (and you have the bonus of outranging nearly everyone). The Grenzer works similar to a sniper Intruder and I recommend using him at first to get a good grasp of the rules. Unlike Intruder, Grenzer can also bring a Missile Launcher though, good if you find yourself facing a TAG or Achilles.

Note that Infinity communities are usually lax about proxying, especially to new players. So no one should be angry if you use Algauciles as Moderators or one Intruder as the other. And Grenzer does not even have any other sculpts, so you can use him as any kind of Grenzer.

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ITS rules updated.
Here's the craziest part of the update.

>>51276047
Ok so I'll play cordigor first. So the first buy should be intruders?

The alguacils are suppose to be in a link, and my Lt should be the Mobi Brigada.

I looked for an infinity wiki, but all were about cars, do you maybe have a link to the table top game one?

>>51276252
Wonder how long it'll be for all the pilots to get models now, we know Combined is getting theirs (except the avatar one) next month so maybe we wont have to wait 10 fucking years.

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Got some more loving on the old Space Werewolf, gussying up his mane a bit.

>>51276366
All the links are in the OP of this thread. They are always there.
Yeah, get an Intruder or use the Grenzer as one. Remember the thing about proxying.

And remember that Nomads in general are not that great in fair fights. So never fight fair. The Smoke + Intruder combo is a common one, but it works wonders.

>>51276366
I would suggest playing "vanilla" nomads for a while before worrying about doing a sectorial (corregidor). There are a lot of rules to learn starting out, so just keep things simple and avoid link teams.

That said, intruders are one of the best strikers in the game, and jaguars are some of the best value troops available. Tomcats are very flexible, and Moran maasai and bandits are good midfield skirmishers.

Don't worry too much about optimizing things to begin with, just play around with what you have and proxy to try different things. After a while you'll start seeing problems and solutions.

>>51276252
Where is the airadna love?

>>51276252

>all this cool new stuff

Now I feel sad for playing Arianda. I wish I could at least field the Anaconda qt, but all I have is a shitty Scarface.

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>>51276252
>Crabbot has shitty WIP and high BS
>no actual BS weapons

Okay, this is silly.
I hope that at least it actually holds a knife in one of it's appendages, like pic related.

>>51276636
>>51276644
Check Bit&KISS,Cypher and Switch. Ariadna has AHDs now.

>>51276636
>>51276644
Love make you weak, Ariadnan brothers.

>>51275259
Like the pink, but my autism is triggered when display groups fail to represent feasible lists.

>>51276675
The crabbot also has a flash pulse. So that pic needs a laser shooped into the other claw that the crab uses to blind people.

Strangest thing is that not even the Combined Army are this savage, no knives on their remote pilots.

>>51276618
I am kind of a limited by cash, so optimisation of the stuff I buy is kind of a important. I realy can't spend cash on models I wont be using.

And now I just noticed I can't use 2 of the models from the nomad starter ;/ . I was thinking about buying the sectorial one, but it has the wrong models too. Tomcats and hellcats, and an Intruder with a wrong weapon.
So I guess have to go with blisters.
An intruder with a hmg, a moran. but I don't know which one I should take the boarding shotgun or the combi rifle one, and bandit.

It would give me something like this
3xalguacil
1xintruder hmg
1xmoran
1xMobile brigada Lt

and a spekter and grenzer I can't use.
what is stranger is that I can't find any blisters for algucils. I wanted to run 5 man link, but they only seem to have a big 4 model box, the same with jaguars. I want one, but I could only find a 4 man box. Is that like the norm in infinity that you have to buy 4-5 man boxs to get a single model?

>>51277065
Ah and how many models do I need for a general size army? 8-10, or is 6 enough.

>>51276252
Raicho pilot isn't a Morat?

>>51277065
>>51277088
Just start reading the rules. Check the links, the wiki and army builder.

Starting armies (or ones for fast games) are usually 150-200pts, normal games 300pts. You should always try to have at least 10 units.

That's why people are saying you should start with normal Nomads, to use the Spektr and Grenzer too.

Just use what you already have.

Also, you have the Spec-Ops model, right? Spec-Ops have special rules and not everyone agrees to play with them, but the model can also be used as an universal proxy. In other words, you are officially allowed to use that guy as a Zero, Prowler, Moderator, Bandit, second Spektr, fifth Alguacil, whatever. As long as it's Silhouette 2 (the standard human size).

>>51276252

I'm not progressed enough in the hobby to be thinking about ITS and stuff, but this piques my interest.

ITS are, like, official tournament rules, right?
So what is this? A lasting cross-field update of several units that will also stay true after the tournament?

How long does a tournament season last?

>>51276406
>(except the avatar one)
I wouldn't be surprised if it were included in the box. 1 S2 and 1 S1 to a box is laughable.

Also, crabbot is literally cancer.

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>>51276675
A new age has dawned.

>>51275199
It's Milites Christi you faggot.

>>51277220
I have a dire foes model. sold the aleph model and the civilian that is why I have some money to buy stuff. I thought I could buy a blister or two, but it seems like all models are in 4-5 man boxs. I need one algucil with a hmg, to get him I would have to buy a big box. I want one jaguar, and again I could find them only in a 4 man box. Now I could be wrong all of this, but it seems kind of a bad for someone who doesn't want to buy multiple models.

And I did read the wiki, It seems like the starter buy requires the buying of 5-6 boxs, but only the use of 1/3 of the models.

>>51277065
Just play vanilla Nomads. They can use all the models and are just as good. No links but you get to field multiple gimmicks at once. Proxy the Grenzer as an Intruder because a) Grenzers are balls and b) the more expensive model means you'll be more elite and easily able to field 10 model lists. Proxy the spec ops as whatever - it's the sanctioned universal proxy miniature. You can field:

2 Alguacil FOs
Alguacil hacker
Spektr hacker
Brigada
Healer (+bots)
Intruder
Lupe (throws smoke in front of Intruder)

Leaves you about 80 points. So grab another heavy infantry with a special weapon on it, whatever model you like, then field the spec ops as whatever fills the leftover points efficiently.

You'll want two or three other minis to switch out of your list and keep regular opponents guessing, but that should be fine.

>>51277240
Yeah, ITS are official tournament rules. They affect causal games too, as their changes are reflected in Army Builder. For example, right now every army has access to Scarface, when in previous season only Qapu Khalki had him.

ITS scenarios are the most common way of playing the game. Not like actual tournaments, but the scenarios described are interesting and varied enough to be the preferred way of playing the game. Some people complain that they put too much emphasis on specialists, but there are enough non-specialist scenarios in it to make it not entirely true IMO.

Today was an update that made all TAG pilots specialists and gave them more weapons. Also new characters have appeared, the ALIVE Anti-Establishment Group. Right now every faction except Combined Army can take them, but apparently after this season ends they will be permanently tied to a single faction.

Current ITS season ends at the end of July, when Interplanetario happens. It's the biggest Infinity tournament.

>>51277267
>>51276675
\https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mHKHKR8x6A

What have they done?

>>51277358
What is a healer(+bots) ? I don't have that model. I have 3 algucils, the mobile brigada, lupe balboa, spekter and grenzer . I have cash enough to buy 2 blisters .

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>>51277446
Wait, if you split the Icestorm starter with someone, you should have a Reverend Healer model. This chick.
The bots refer to the G: Servants you can find in the Support Pack. Leave those for now, you will get them later when you have the money, if at all (I use the Zondcat from Tomcats box instead, because I got the catgirl Daktari and I never use Clockmakers).

I know this all sounds confusing, but Infinity is pretty complicated. Have you played Icestorm missions yet? Try playing with what you already have, make a 150pts or a 200pts army out of it in the Army Builder. Then decide which units you like and what you need.

>>51277368
nice, thx for the thorough explanation anon

>>51276961
The Karkatta is also a knife-wielding crab. But unlike Crabbot it has WIP13, making it actually good at clicking consoles and blinding people.
I know PanO whining has become a meme at this point, but what the hell CB. Couldn't this Crabbot have WIP 11 or a Pistol at least? What's the point of higher BS on a model that literally can't shoot? Was it designed by Teutons or something?

>>51277446
Sorry dude, I thought you might have the bonus Reverend Healer packaged with the starter, but forget it. You can already play low points levels. If you want to go to 300pts for a big game you probably need three more units of about 40 points average and some big guns. The best ratio of $ : points is surely Intruder HMG, also an amazing unit. Riot Grrl/Prowler Spitfire, another Spektr or a Custodier would also be good choices.

>>51277368
Damn, they need to update the app then. Can't seem to find anything new there.

>>51277610
It always takes them a while to update it.

>Gecko pilots now akimbo Assault Pistols
Sweet.

>>51277494
didn;t get this model. I only got the ones that are in the starter, he wanted a lot of money for that model. So I didn't buy it. I have not played the missions as we are only starting the game.
And it is odd, because no one else seems to have such problems. My friends started ariadna and aleph, and they use all their models, and seem to be doing fine with 2-3 blisters.
Now my knowladge about infinity is as limited as it can be considering my noob status. But it looks like the nomad faction requires someone to buy multiple boxs and use 1-2 models out of 4-5 inside. I can be wrong, but I am getting he feeling.

>>51277676
If you're playing with an Ariadna player who's using less than 10 models, then you're at low point levels and might not need to buy much at all

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>>51277423
Those damn spaniards did it on purpose.

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>>51277676
>he wanted a lot of money for that model
What a chode.

>My friends started ariadna and aleph, and they use all their models, and seem to be doing fine with 2-3 blisters.
ALEPH is an elite faction that uses very few models. On the other hand Ariadna uses a ton of models, so they are probably just learning the game with whatever they have, balance be damned. Maybe you should too.

Check this list. Starter, Lupe and Intruder, 200pts.

>>51277572
>higher BS
But the crab's BS is 10, just like all the others. It's CC is 12 because CRAB BATTLE

>>51277676
>I have not played the missions as we are only starting the game
Yeah, but Icestorm has tutorial mission that teach you the game step by step. Ask the Icestorm guy to play those together.

>>51277809
Shit, I did not notice that. It makes it even dumber. I thought it had BS 12 to explain how PanO TAGs have higher BS, but now it's just a strictly worse Karkata. I guess higher crab WIP is counted into Marut's overall point cost.

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>>51276252
>>51276675

What does crabbot look like?

how big is it?

can I spam them?


also has this cool thing gotten a new model yet?

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>>51277955
>What does crabbot look like?

>>51278058
God, I hope so.

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>>51278058
kekamundo gigante

If I had any thunderbolts I would make a casting of their heads and make this

any ideas for what comes in the icestrom box? I don't have any pano besides that and a limited Joan.

>>51278136
It's the pano starter, so 3 fusiliers a Khalis Sikh commando and a nisse sniper. Plus a father knight.

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>>51278161
You forgot the ORC.
That's okay tho...

>>51278161
No I mean, what can I make a mold out of those parts in order to cast my own crabbots enmasse?

>>51278201
Take ORC head (or Father-Knight head for the Seraph Crabbot) and the "bunny ears" PanO has a ton of, for legs. You'd need to find the knife in a another set though. I recommend Bagh-Mari, for that sweet icepick grip.

>>51278197
Oh fuck. I did, whoops.

>>51276252
HAHAHA! PanO got new options boyz.

>>51276636
>>51276644
Could you guys at least spell Ariadna right if you love it so much?

>>51278423
Aiarnda 4 lyfe!

Why is CB getting rid of the cheesecake? Cheesecake and dudes in bodysuits set the game aesthetic apart from just dudes and chicks in sci-fi bodysuits

>>51278496
Trash teir bait dude.

>>51278496
Because sex sells and sensible sexy don't trigger autists.

>>51278496
They're getting rid of the cheesecake? Literally this month it's one, and next month it's two cheesecake releases, the Tech-bee and Guijia pilot.

>>51278496
shasvastii cheesecake when?

>>51278496

Try harder.

>>51277854
he is in another city. So I don't realy have the option to get anything from him.
>>51277776
my friend bought the aleph starter, and the trasimedes, some sort of Lt an some other model I can't remember. My other friend got a starter, Russian spetznaz and a blister that had 2 dudes in it.
they use all models, and all models are legal to take.

I checked the wiki and it says stuff like. Take one wildcat engineer. Box has 4. Take a jaguar. box has 4. A ton of take this lunohod which is in a box, take this model from that box. I think only the intruders and morans are in blisters.

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Help, anons! I'm about to start painting an O-Yoroi and could really need a guide for painting white! Am seasoned, know techniques, not experienced with white, need step-by-step guide to take my hand, can anyone recommend something?

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>>51278239
I have tons of knife bitz left over from other games, Malifaux included. Might check that guy out though....


THe ORC would be a prime candidate because of his sculpt being mold friendly -- sans ears.

The ears can be easily cloned, or I can fabricate my own outta greenstuff and plasticard.
You know... on second thought, I might be able to clone these legs (or just model the tiny ones off of them. These are big enough for a packmule.

BTW how big is the ACTUAL crabbot?

>>51278697
Silhouette 1, so servant bot sized. That bionicle would be too big

>>51278638
>I checked the wiki and it says stuff like. Take one wildcat engineer. Box has 4. Take a jaguar. box has 4. A ton of take this lunohod which is in a box, take this model from that box. I think only the intruders and morans are in blisters.
Well, that's something to consider after you get more familiar with the game.
It is true that a lot of good stuff comes in boxes. Jaguars have a 4 man box, because you can link them in Corregidor (although you need Massacre for that, and don't bother with him now). Wildcats are 3 in the starter box for the same reason Algauciles are, they are supposed to be "the basic trooper" for Corregidor. Although with them you have the option of a single HRL or Spitfire Wildcat blister (don't bother for generic Nomads with them though). In the long run boxes are cheaper (per model) than blisters, but I can see why it might not look so for someone new.

Nomads have a ton of single blisters though: Daktari, Alguacil Hacker, Reverend Healer (different pose from the Icestorm one), Bandits, Spektr, Prowlers, Zeros, Carlotta Kowalsky... There's even a single Interventor still on sale. It's old and has no Panda, but it exists. And as I said, what you already have should be enough to learn the game with. Save your money for now, and when you have more and know how the game plays, then buy a Jaguar box or Remotes or Support Pack or whatever else you'd like.

>>51278893
Thing is I can't play right now, both of my friends have 200pts armies that work. And my is some kind of random models. I don't understand why they put models people won't use in to a starter box.

Maybe I'll sells them and try a different factions. Nomads seem popular, but to me they seem to suck collection wise. What faction uses all models from their starters ?

>>51277854
The Crabbot doesn't need BS if he has nogunz. These Remote Pilots aren't actually pilots - simply an auxiliary drone that they can detach from the unmanned TAG to press buttons that the TAGs can't do themselves because their thumbs are too big.

And of course it's a worse Krakata, the same way the Scindron is worse than Staldron. Both of the more advanced Remote Pilots are a part of the Marut and Avatar respectively, much more advanced TAGs with way more computing power to devote to a small detachable auxiliary unit.

>>51278992
>I don't understand why they put models people won't use in to a starter box.
What you don't understand is how the game plays.
Try being less impatient and learn the actual rules. Nomad starter is fine. As presented here >>51277776 you can actually use all models in the starter box. I know what I'm saying, because I play Nomads myself. I moved onto Corregidor (because I like the "cats" theme), but I've used every single model from the starter box.

Also here's another thing: you can switch lists up. In one game you may decide you want 2 Algauciles and 2 Jaguars, but in another you may want to use only 1 Jaguar and 3 Algauciles instead, because you want Paramedics and Forward Observers rather than Smoke and Martial Arts. People don't stick to one list all their life. In fact in tournaments you are allowed to bring two lists, just as long as both are from the same army/sectorial.

It's kind of like when playing RPGs, one time you want to play a two-sword elven ranger, another time an archer human ranger. You have options.

>>51279124
you can actually use all models in the starter box. I know what I'm saying, because I play Nomads myself. I moved onto Corregidor (because I like the "cats" theme), but I've used every single model from the starter box.

Ok color me stupid, but how do you use grentzers or spekters? Because am looking at the list builder, maybe it is the wrong one or an old one. But neither are is in the model list.

> People don't stick to one list all their life. In fact in tournaments you are allowed to bring two lists, just as long as both are from the same army/sectorial.

From what I talked with people playing at my store, all games are with one list. I do not know about, tournaments as it will take a long time till I get to 300pts. I have seen people own two armies from different factions.

>>51279293
>Ok color me stupid, but how do you use grentzers or spekters? Because am looking at the list builder, maybe it is the wrong one or an old one. But neither are is in the model list.
Are you looking at the Nomad or the Corregidor list? Because Grenzers and Spektrs are not in Corregidor, but they are in generic Nomads army.

In generic armies you can't use Link teams, but you can use every unit for the army there is. So you can mix Corregidor, Bakunin and Tunguska models, instead of being limited to either Tunguska or Corregidor. And it works wonders for Nomads.

In the Army Builder click the "Nomads" tab at the top instead of the ones below it.

Do you guys varnish/clearcoat your minis, or just leave them with paint as the last later?

>>51278646
thin your paints.
No, more.
More.
MORE.
Okay, so they're thin as fuck now.
Start with a medium blue-grey.
now do it again.
and again.
Nice solid colour? okay, now do a lighter grey.
And again.
AGAIN.
Now a lighter one.
And again.
And again.
Okay, now the lightest grey you have.
And again.
And again.
Okay, now put a tiny amount of white on the edges.
Done.

>>51279377
Ok, but what sense is there in playing normal nomads. Everyone here says that normal lists are inefficient compering to most specialized lists.
All people that play nomads here told me to stay away from the normal list, because it is, their words not my, bad.
I though that when you said you switched that there was somehow a way to use those models.

I don't understand something. I noticed that there is a cordigidor starter box, but it has wild cats and hellcats inside, and the intruder has a combi rifle. the only unit mentined as being as always included in the sector lis is the lone algucile. So they somehow manged to make the sectorial worse to start with, then the starter that has 2 dead models. I find it kind of a strange, but again I just started, maybe it makes sense if someone plays longer.

>>51279384
Gloss coat, then matt coat. Gloss protects, matt makes them look sensible. Be warned, matt varnish dulls colours slightly.

>>51279550
>Ok, but what sense is there in playing normal nomads.
1. Tunguska Interventors. They're the best hackers in the game.
2. Spektrs. They are the only Nomad TO Camo units.
3. Various units playing off each other strengths. Like those afore mentioned Interventors, they really like Repeaters, as Repeaters increase their hacking range. Corregidor Morans carry Repeaters on their backs. In Corregidor there aren't many good hackers, but in vanilla there are, so Morans are actually better outside Corregidor.
Or take your Intruder amigo. Instead of having smoke thrown by a 10pts Jaguar, he can have one thrown by a 6pts Bakunin Morlock.
That also means you can spread your Algauciles, making them more effective corner guards. When linked they are more dangerous, but they need to be close together – and there's nothing an enemy Yuan Yuan or biker with a Chain Rifle loves more than bunched up models.

Basically it's a trade-off.
And it's true for all armies. Last year Interplanetario was won by generic ALEPH, without any link teams. It used both Post-Humans and Achilles.
And today generic ALEPH kicked my Corregidor ass.

And yeah, the Corregidor starter is kind of jank. In the 1d4chan tactica page it is mentioned that you should only ever buy it if you want to run Wildcats. They're my favourite unit, but they aren't really anything to write home about.

>>51279550
Everyone can be wrong. Link teams are awesome, they can also be a massive vulnerability. The order efficiency of 5 alguacils looks less impressive when a EVO-guided Ekdromos costing 20 points kills 4 of them on turn one with his nanopulser. They can also be fiddly to move around the board.

And, especially when you switch lists between games, vanilla lists represent a metagame nightmare for the opponent. If Corregidor field 9 units, I know the missing guy is a Cat airdropping in and will cover my flanks. In vanilla it could also be a Spektr - I have to deploy expecting both. And in your local meta if your next opponent is sectorial that often means you can tailor your list against them. Not so long ago we had a new Phalanx player in here complaining that all the opponent were just spamming MSV snipers because you can be sure as hell to find soft pickings there.

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>>51279887
>In vanilla it could also be a Spektr

Or a Meteor, dropping with a Repeater just beside your TAG or next to an Objective.
That's one of the things that is making me consider going back to vanilla Nomads.

>>51279534
I think I can work with that, thanks anon.

>>51279887
I thought it was common courtesy to reveal your list? Hiding all private info, of course.

>>51280059
Existence of Camo/TO Camo and Airborne Deployment models *is* Private Info. Just like Lieutenant (although some are more obvious than others).
If your opponent knows your army, he can try to guess what you're hiding. But Tomcat Doctor, Hellcat with Boarding Shotgun, Meteor Zond and Killer Hacker Zero all cost 21-22pts, so it's a crapshoot. And if you're hiding more than one of them...

>>51279534
Hold in, same anon here, just another quick question

I take one can't use washes to give White ( or very bright grey) some shading?

>>51279550
Whoa, there slow down. First off, there are no sectorial starter boxes that contains troops that the vanilla cannot. They may not be as useful in Vanilla or able to field as many of them.

The Bakunin and Corregidor starters are pretty good in that theyou don't run into that availability problem at all transferring into Vanilla.

Now the Icestorm starter has two models that you cannot take into Corregidor, but most people will not bat an eye if you use the Grenzer to proxy as the Intruder and the Spektr as a Bandit.

Second, anyone who says Vanilla Nomads isn't as strong as sectorial, does not know what they are talking about. Sectorials can be easier to learn because they provide focus and more obvious hammers. Vanilla, especially Nomads, has sheer breadth of tools and combinations of those tools. Yes they lose the movement efficiency of fireteams, but that stings less when all your specialists are already where they need to be.

Unfortunately for new players, getting there can be overwhelming. But when your Tomcat steals something under White Noise and your Szally opens up, nothing feels better.

I will admit the starter box as is, is going uphill against a similarly skilled opponent with a more finely tuned list, but it will teach you fundamentals and give you a basis to build from.

>>51276252
Is this a permanant change or just for season 8?

>>51276252
Why does the avatar need a pilot on the field? Its pilot is the EI, not some little robot in the danger zone. What happened to G:Mnemonica? The whole point of that skill was that it took over the mind of another soldier on the field so it could continue leading the fight in case of its current body getting destroyed.

>>51280424
The thing is I do not have the money to buy 3 starters to make one list. But lets say I pick vanila nomads, and ignore what people here say, about them. What should I buy to make the stuff I have right now work, on a comperable level of what my friends get with their lists?

As proxy goes, people here are ok with proxy models of models that do not exist, or are no longer produced. No one is going to let me play spekters as bandits, unless it is for esthetics aka I would have to buy the bandits anyway.

>>51281138
>No one is going to let me play spekters as bandits, unless it is for esthetics aka I would have to buy the bandits anyway.
Wut. What kind of autists are you playing with that require you to have a copy of a model that you are proxying for aesthetic purposes? That sounds fucking miserable, famalam. Especially when first starting off.

>The order efficiency of 5 alguacils looks less impressive when a EVO-guided Ekdromos costing 20 points kills 4 of them on turn one with his nanopulser. They can also be fiddly to move around the board.

I understand that game itself requires skill, I lack right now, and I also understand that links are not some golden bullet to kill everything. Or at least I hope there are no links that walk over whole other armies. And that isn't my problem, what is that the list I saw are either 20+ models which costs a lot, and requires multiple boxs of alguciles. Don't know if their are sectorial or not, did not ask, when I saw them played. Or they are smaller 12-14 models, but each of the versions have like single models from big boxs, and they run more alguicles then there are in the starter box too. In fact how do people get 7-8 combi weapon alguciles. Do they buy 2-3 starter sets, because I haven't seen any alguciles in blisters at my store.

>>51281162
They do not require it. They just do not care what model you use as long as you have bought the official model. If you have, am going to us a non infinity example, a jack X bought then you could as well play with the base and a paper stripe saying it is jack X, and aside for the store owner no one would care.

>>51281138
Okay, so you have the basic Nomad Starter and Lupe, right? And you also want single blisters, which is understandable.

You were already given one option: HMG Intruder blister and you're set, as this rounds you up to 200pts and gives you a tough doorkicker. I assume you will not be playing with hacking at first, because hacking is a lot to take in.

Another option is to take two Moran blisters. This brings you to a nice 199pts if you make them both Forward Observers or fewer, allowing you to make Algausiles FOs or Paramedics (there are no dedicated Paramedic and Forward Observer models, so any Alguacil will do). And also gives you the amusing option of fielding 4 Crazy Koalas. And you're at 9 Orders instead of 8, so it's a bit more efficient (and at that point and skill level Brigada is doorkicker enough).

How does that work?

>>51281306
That sounds dumb as hell, your Infinity community is shitty as fuck.

>>51281306
Why do they care whether you've bought the official model or not?

>>51281266
There are services that break up boxes and sell individual models out of them. In other cases, people will buy boxes even though they may only run one or two of those models in any given list, because flexibility is a huge asset.

>>51276252
Also in Limited Insertion, you cant use command tokens to strip 2 orders or limit coordinated orders

So what are your ideas to proxy Bit(+Kiss), Cypher, and Switch? I mean, the obvious answer could be interventors, but that's a box of two and dirty nomads. Plus it could be interesting if factional.

I'd probably use and interventor box and a Hafza anyways

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>>51281702
I'm thinking some kind of kitbash of Authorized Bounty Hunter with Combi and a Nomad trooper, like a Prowler, Zero Hacker or Spec Ops, for Switch. Alternatively use a generic, featureless head to paint a skull over it. Or just use Spektr face.

>>51281625
This significantly alters my opinion and strategies of the game in limited insertion.

>>51281625
Tagline may not be the hero I deserve, but it's certainly the one I need. That's pretty dank.

>>51281702
What if one of them is revealed to be a qt catboy

>>51280332
That'll usually just make it look dirty and not white. Honestly, white's a bitch to paint. Your best bet is to look up youtube tutorials for it. Personally, I avoid it or use an airbrush.

>>51281869
relevant get?

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>>51281987
Maaaaybe.

>>51276252
So, how does this work for the Remote Presence TAGs? Do they just shit out their robot buddy on an objective and then go their merry way while the little cutie holds down the fort?

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Say I want to run this + Bit&KISS. How meme is that list?

>>51282176
You can read it for yourself, but the way I understand it, the little robot crab/whatever pops out, and your TAG is "locked". That was what the locked marker is for in the ITS pack. And then that little bot/crab does actions like a pilot would, as it has its own profile, and counts as a specialist.

I am so glad I am skipping this season and focusing on other games. These changes are annoying.

>>51276252
>Assault Hacking Device, repeater, mimetism
>2 E/Marat, E/Mauler
>for 20 points
Jesus fucking Christ I hate that thing already

Also they took away G:remote presence from all the TAGs that had it.
And they changed the Marut icon RRREEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51277955
That's a Husong Yaokong, they've been around forever.

>>51278058
lmao well done

>>51277955
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vECHOv0NL88

>>51281452
because otherwise people would be playing with the models that are cheapest, and never buy the actual models. Ah they are also ok, if someone proxies with a higher cost model. So if someone bought lets say a Limited edition model, they ok with it proxing for lets say an Lt or sniper.
>>51281328
yes, I have lupe and the nomad starter from ice storm.
as how it works. I do not know. But I will probably go with the morans, as more models seems to be more important then quality.

Am just worried that my friends will dominate me with their camo, and after looking up the stats on aleph it looks rather grim. Odd vs BS12 means am hiting his dudes on a 6+ in the open with cover, it is like hiting on +3. plus he is runing two links, which will give him super order efficiency.

The dual spetznas with uxia seem to be dead hard too.

>>51283064
Don't tell me, Poland right?

>>51283064
It's been mentioned multiple times in this thread already, but seriously: buy an HMG Intruder. MSV2 ignores the -6 penalty for ODDs, and lets you shoot through the smoke that Lupe can drop. See how your buddy likes it when you're pumping 4 bs13 15 damage shots per order into his link teams while he's powerless to fight back.

>>51283064
What about units that dont have models?

Anywho, camo/ODD gets bitchslapped by flamethrowers, even if the fire doesnt cause a wound the burnt state reduces it to mimetism. need to get those -3PH rolls tho.

>>51283461
if there is no model then a proxy they do not have problems with. But if there is a lets say one version, and I know there are 2, of a moran. Then you have to use the model. But it is a general rules of course. I have seen people use converted stuff for other systems. But for offical games they require the actual models. On or two times someone maybe ok, if your very lucky or he likes you, but after a few weeks if someone proxies he will just not get any games in.

>>51283351
Germany Erfurt, but I am not German.

God fucking damnit. Working on a backlog, and I can't find my Kazak doctor's medikit or my Dozer's mul control device. Kill me.

>>51284010
hey,it could be worse. you could have lost the icestorm female alguaciles pointing hand or The fucking limited CSU's left arm.

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>>51275199
Hey. Long-time infinity fan, looking to actually get into it. I normally like to play weird off-meta armies. I've been looking around for an army to finally buy. What kind of armies do you guys rarely see played?

>>51285298
Tohaa players are kind of rare. Generic Army Aleph is usually rare but recently gained some traction due to posthumans.

I have yet to see Caledonia or Hassassin Bahram played, but they're not quite off-meta.

Most "off-meta" I would say is the Shasvasti sectorial of Combined Army, you're better off fielding a generic Combined Army usually. Other than that, I say representation gets pretty even.

>>51285340
I'd add that Shasvasti is even more 'off-meta' than it was before because Corvus Belli has confirmed they are getting a total rework and redesign 'soon'. Whenever the fuck they think that is.

>>51285340
Cool. Looking up Tohaa. Symbiomates+ the sukeul's mimetism seems broken, so obviously I need plenty of both for ramboing

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>>51275199
Right. Got Tohaa list sorted. Tell me what you think. Mostly sukeuls, buffed by symbiomates, leading fireteams, plus kamael cheerleaders.

>>51278646
White is best done as a very light grey, shaded grey or brown, and then highlighted with pure white. That way you can use normal techniques and it will still look white on the mini.

>>51282357
What changes? Making Manned TAGs more worthwhile in lists due to the fact that the pilot is less of a balloon waiting to get popped and instead a Specialist that has at least some sort of way to attempt to survive across the board? The removal of the most cancerous use of Command Tokens when playing Limited Insertion?

This seems like the weirdest season to be assblasted by the changes.

How does Dodging something like Cyphr's 2 E/Mitters work if you place both templates on the enemy? There's nothing special aside from the fact that if they Dodge, they negate both and if they fail, they take both? No -3 Phys on the Dodge? Seems odd that it's no more difficult to dodge two separate weapons than one, especially when they hosing down the target.

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>>51287643
No change in dodge roll. The only way to make it harder to dodge the template is for you to attack outside of LoF. Well unless you are surprise shotting via Intuitive Attack, but that's pretty rare.

>>51286365
No high burst mid to long range weapons. Burst 2 is fine if you can force your opponent into bad ranges, but missile launchers have a really awkward range band.

No real counters to smoke or guys who can stack the mods. No mines, direct templates, or MSV 2. I get the feeling that the average Steel Phalanx list can smoke up and force you into bad ranges. Anyone with Smoke + MSV can dismantle you. Not to mention you'll be vulnerable to suicidal chain rifle units.

I recommend you look into getting some Makauls in there. They have the ability to bypass engagements with eclipse grenades, are threats in CC, and bring large templates.

Also the Kaeltar LS is a nice way to shave points, especially in a fireteam. Flashpulse keeps off dudes who out range the shotgun rather handily.

>>51287850
That includes approaching from the back, yeah? Does the Large Teardrop Template extend out enough to catch someone outside of their ZoC, by chance?

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Hm, Cypher and Switch both seem really appealing as an alternate to just getting stuck with WarDrivers for Kazaks if I do end up wanting to bring a hacker. Switch hiding out as an extra Vet Kazak for fear purposes or a Line Kazak for decoy duty is great, and then the ability to Impersonate-2 thanks to the KHD would make him a real pain in the ass, though I really really love Cypher and his Dual E/Marat.

At the same time, wondering what to use to proxy them. I suspect they'll probably have models soon enough, but I could also use this as an excuse to pick up some Tugunska models. I'm vaguely hoping that we'll be getting a few loan-units from the Russian Hackerman + Russian Mob faction akin to how ALEPH models slip into the cracks in Pan-O and Yu Jing sectorials. I've been using an Antipode Handler if I run a WarDriver and no pack, but something a little notably foreign wouldn't hurt for clarity's sake.

>>51287495

RAW pretty much states the pilot is removed from game if her TAG gets blown up, even after she dismounts.

Whereas remote pilot tags can shit out lots of crabs (one at a time thankfully) which actually stays on the field even if it's original TAG goes boom.

So yeah. Hooray for balance.

>>51288076
>he pilot is removed from game if her TAG gets blown up, even after she dismounts
Wait, what? That's fucking retarded.

>>51287874
Yeah, that would do it. Small teardrops are a bit over 8 inches actually so if you are really good at eyeballing it, you even do it with the small teardrops.

Could someone link me to the updated ITS rules? It's still kinda unclear to me how the new bots work, as I'm still fairly new and can't for the life of me find them.

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I had hped the new rules would allow for some pilot/TAG teamplay similar to pic. Alas, it was not meant to be.

>>51288103
That's how the rules go. Kill TAG, pilot kicks the bucket as well.

so since dismounting is a short move skill can i dis mount and still shoot or does the tag go into lock down as soon the pilot hops out

if so can i use the second short skill to try and take an objective

>>51283064
Hey, if you're new, losing a few games is a given. That's how you learn tactics.

ODD is hardcountered by MSV2 (Intruder, get one at 300pts or replace the Grenzer with him at 200) and direct templates like Flamethrowers or Chain Rifles (a lot of Nomad troops have Light Flamethrowers on their profiles, Jaguars or Morlocks for Chain Rifles). ODD also does not work in Close Combat, but usually you don't want to CC Steel Phalanx.

Also Grenzer has MSV1, which reduces the ODD from -6 to -3. Moiras and Custodiers have their own ODD, evening the odds. Morans have Mimetism, imposing a -3 on the opponent themselves. And let's not forget Spektr: -6 for TO Camo, and if you attack from Camo Marker state on your active turn, another -3 for Surprise Shot. So they give him -6, but he gives them -9.

>>51288076
Have you seen the stats on the Crabbot? It's fucking useless.
The ALEPH one less so, but that thing still cannot fight at all.

>>51287850
Cheers mate

>>51288664

Doesn't matter. It's sole aim is to push the damn buttom (at coin toss odds unopposed in normal circumstances), then reset-suicide.

>>51288638
If I remember correctly, dismounting TAG (or a bike) is just a part of movement, like going prone at the start of move skill. Ao you could well dismount-move-attack with a single order.

>>51288754
It can't reset unless its immobilized or null right?

>>51288353
Yeah. It's pretty dumb. Don't really see why you couldn't just lose the order + points and keep the pilot.

>>51288754
The Crab or TAG needs to be Immobilized (or the crab itself dead) for the Reset. And the TAG is a useless hunk of metal as long as the Crab is outside.

Who is the best pilot? IMO that's Szalamandra one. Contender has good range and Anti-Materiel trait (for some objective destroying) and KHD is just amusing. You left a hacker or a Repeater next to my TAG to hack it? Let me pop out and fry your brain.

>>51276252
Does this strike anyone else as a massive missed opportunity to make TAGs actually good? The specialist thing is a fun little detail and will make for some colourful moments. But the problem with TAGs isn't that they're not specialists, it's that most are not worth the points.

>>51288869
Szalamandra is the clear winner, no doubt. Reasonable, useful gun + KHD seems potent. That said, given the Szalamandra's usual operational ranges, she might have trouble actually exploiting her skills and getting to a objective. Also, the TAG is in dire need of a resculpt.
Other standouts include:
- Lizard with her SMG is probably the most dangerous straight-up, with Geckos' dual assault pistols close behind.
- Maghariba with WIP14 Medkit and a light shotty seems situationally useful.

>>51288869
>inb4 it's you who get the brain fried, and the TAG crumbles too
Way too risky

>>51288943
If TAGs themselves would be specialists, it would be OP. It was that way in N2, where Lieutenant was a Specialist. It made Achilles and Marut extremely obnoxious.

But now they have added functionality at a risk. And if the TAG goes down, there actually is a reason for the pilot to pop out, as they can all reasonably fight now.

>>51289026
Lizard pilot's main strength is IMO the ability to lay down Suppressive Fire. Like yeah, the TAG is down, but you're not getting through this firelane anyway.

>At the end of the current season, the winner of the ITS World Ranking will be able to choose which faction the ALIVE characters belong to, integrating them into said Army Lists the next ITS Season.
What the christ. Yeah who needs balance, fun fun fun!

>>51289071
>they go to Nomads
>they are never used again because Nomads already have a shitton of hackers and repeaters

>>51289071
the worst thing is that in certain factions they don't make thematically any sense, while in others (like Nomads) they may be surclassed by other options. The most appropriate factions imo are Ariadna, Haqq and Nomads; the thought of them going to PanO or ALEPH is just ridiculous.

>>51289085
That would be the best option.
Or choosing CA to troll everyone.

>but you can't choose CA, that has to be a human faction
>OK then, I choose no faction, delete them forever

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>>51289141
>the anti-establishment group gets permanently absorbed by the establishment

>>51289141
>ib4 Tohaa
>we hackers nao

>>51289265

>inb4 they were serving Establishment Interests in the first place

I moved to auch new flat recently.

I'm heartbroken to say that I lost a leg of an unassembled TAG. I kept that leg separate cause it was already glued to the base and didnt fit back in its box.

Is there any Chance at all that CB might send me a new one if I offer them a fair price? I just don't want to buy an entire new...

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Lately I'm being heavily tempted to start ALEPH, how's this for a Limited Insertion list? Tried to build something centered around the Marut (favourite TAG in the game, and I've never used TAGs in my other faction) while still being flexible enough to be an all-purpose list.
Any way to improve this?

Played my first game with my nomads today.
Can someone tell me how nomads counter grenades that ones that can't be ignored with multi spectra visors? Because my friend more or less waltz on to the objective while covering his advance with 2 templates.

Also morans koalas do they explode like mines, if someone tries to hack them ?

And last question, about camo stuff. If camo tokens do not move, what is the method of being sure that your opponent is not fucking you over with switching mines with camo dudes and vice versa. My opponent had an uxia, two foxtrots with two mines and two spetznas and a chouser with his own mine.

>>51288789
>>51288869

I doubt the tag will crap out the crab unless it is just about on top of said objective, which means that unless it is exposed to the entire field, its going to just push the button and scuttle back in complete safety in just 1-2 orders at most unless the dice gods hate you.

So bit, Cypher, and Switch are in Army builder now.

>>51290034
*Chasseur

Eclipse grenades don't really have hard counters, just softer ones like mines/koalas, hackers or other things that don't need LoF, close combat specialists, and predictive strategy. Although it sounds like you were facing against Ariadna, which I can't recall having Eclipse grenades.

CrazyKoalas aren't hackable, and to even attempt such a thing you'd have to be in their trigger range so yes they do go off and try to hug the opponent in 8" range.

Did you mean minesweeper?

To the last question:

You just have to assume trust and confidence, and if you really cant, RAW you're supposed to write down say "camo marker 1 by the left shipping crate is a Chasseur, Camo marker 2 on the corner of the building is a mine..." like with hidden deployment and other private information.

>>51290034
>how nomads counter grenades that ones that can't be ignored with multi spectra visors?
If you mean eclipse grenades there's not much that can be done at long range, best bet would be to throw templates into them, either with intuitive attacks or mines (and koalas).

>Also morans koalas do they explode like mines, if someone tries to hack them ?
afaik koalas can't be hacked directly, and also they don't explode like mines even in normal conditions (their damage single target not template)

>what is the method of being sure that your opponent is not fucking you over with switching mines with camo dudes and vice versa
every camo token has a number on it, at the start of the game the opponent is supposed to write on paper what each number represent and show you when he reveals the unit in question

>>51288219
http://assets.infinitythegame.net/downloads/itsrules/season8/en/v1.3/itsrules.pdf

Ask something at 3AM, you're not likely to get any replies.

It's in the "downloads" page of the main website, under "rules and missions"

>>51289847
Nope... You're out of luck...

>>51288869
O-Yoroi has some nice things going for her with the Contender, Forward Observer for Classified, Flash Pulse, and CC 21.

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>>51290187
>O-Yoroi has some nice things going for her
I concur.

>file updated with fixes
>version number doesn't change
For fuck's sake, CB.

>>51290481

More like O-Yoroi Kido-booty

I'm honestly a bit angry the generic Guijia Pilot is being released first

>>51290582
It gets better. Army builder just got updated... with the fucked version, missing G:RP and all.

>>51290706
Squalo, Marut, Avatar and Xeodron are the ones missing G:RP/M. The rest are fine.

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>>51290608
>I'm honestly a bit angry the generic Guijia Pilot is being released first
O-Yoroi pilot got nothing on the Guijia Girl. Speaking of generic the O-Yoroi is just the same old katana girl in panties, typical weebs wet dream

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>>51290876
Man, the Chinese are really trying to compete with Lizard girl.

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>>51289071
>CA player wins
>ALIVE turns out to be a CA psyop all along

>>51290860
OK, your TAGs cannot use their new pilots because they lack Manned :^)

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>>51290706
>Army builder just got updated
Quick, what's the most cancerous list you can think of with ALIVE?

>>51290110
ok. I don't have any melee or mine models. There were no in the starters. I tried runing the koals in to close range but they were both killed by his agama. After that he just walked his two links on to the objectives.

the other game vs the ariadna player was very fast he had most of his army in form of markers. He just walked over me with two spetz armed with HMG. He also did cooridnated orders to fill both objective rooms with mines.

>every camo token has a number on it, at the start of the game the opponent is supposed to write on paper what each number represent and show you when he reveals the unit in question

I just wonder what stops people from having 9-10 lists and showing the ones that work the best at given moment.

>If you mean eclipse grenades there's not much that can be done at long range, best bet would be to throw templates into them, either with intuitive attacks or mines (and koalas).

Can someone do intuitive attacks with combi rifles or multi rifles, or is it only templates and flamers. Because my only flamer is on the mobile brigada, and from the games I had, him being anywhere near aleph dudes is not a good idea. He dies very fast.

>>51291259
>ok. I don't have any melee or mine models
The Spektr has mines. No Minelayer profile, but 4 of his 6 profiles have mines.

>I tried runing the koals in to close range but they were both killed by his agama
Koalas are best used defensively. They don't even activate in your active turn, they attack *only* in ARO. And they jump over obstacles. So you simply place them in someone's way, but out of their LoF, either forcing them to walk into the koalas or choose a different route, one hopefully overlooked by a sniper.

>the other game vs the ariadna player was very fast he had most of his army in form of markers. He just walked over me with two spetz armed with HMG. He also did cooridnated orders to fill both objective rooms with mines.
So what did you learn from that:
- always have 1-2 guys overlooking the battlefield, to Discover or Delay ARO. Your Grenzer is good at discovering due to his MSV1, Intruders are even better at that
- using Camo is good. You can do it as well. Not as en-masse, but well enough. But you can also easily counter camo with MSV or Sensors
- Coordinated orders are a nice trick. You can use them to mine up a field, but you can also use them to put a bunch of models in Suppressive Fire. It's something Link Team actually can't use without breaking the link.

>I just wonder what stops people from having 9-10 lists and showing the ones that work the best at given moment.
Not being a dick. One time someone did try cheating in our local community, he was basically excommunicated.

>Can someone do intuitive attacks with combi rifles or multi rifles
It's only doable with weapons that have the Intuitive Attack trait. So yeah, that would your Brigada. Remember to use cover and flank your opponent.

>>51288076
No it doesn't.

>>51291525
It's in the Manned ruling:
>If the TAG or Vehicle figure of a Manned trooper whose Pilot dismounted enters the Dead state, remove both the TAG or Vehicle and the Pilot from play.

It's counter-intuitive that a human being would suddenly go poof when the TAG she was in is destroyed, but a Crabbot can still operate, it just does not give any Orders. You'd think it would be the other way around or the same for all.

>>51291080
I'm not sure what I think of Bit & Kiss!
They've got some interesting tools and a lot of repeater coverage but whd is a bit naff.

>>51291798
Literally the only offensive ability they have is an adhesive launcher and a stun gl, for the points it's not terrible if taken as a group for the regular order but that's about it

>>51290481
>Concept art contains camel toe
Thank you CB

>>51291080
Now, instead of a list with 11 Saladins, I can field 12! Plus some hidden Tuareg and Ragiks for Shenanigans.

>>51288664
>Have you seen the stats on the Crabbot? It's fucking useless.
It's PanO. People expected it not to be useless?

>>51291402
Ok. One dude with mines seems to not be enough to stop 2 links. my ariadna friend threw 3 or 4 mines in to the single objective rooms.

Also I noticed that doors, or rather lack of them, can be a big problem. My friends models had some sort of explosives to make his own doors, while my dudes needed an extra turn to go around buildings .

I think the table we play at our store is the wrong size its 3x3', but maybe am just not used to playing on so small tables. Template weapons and HMG do seem to be the dominant weapons. My friends two myrmidon more or less blocked 2/3 of the table, because going on the ground ment being hit my chain guns, top of the buildings were in the LoS of his agama. First two games ended like that, it was rather boring, so in all other games he started to move his dudes, but those special grenades are realy brutal. They block LoS on the ground level of the street and let him advance through the whole table.

>>51289881
I like it. You have enough to guard your DZ if you deploy carefully. Be discerning with your Zayin, don't be afraid to just cover an essential firelane as opposed to trying to take on the whole board. It can always reposition on a roof easily. Classifieds aren't quite all covered, but that's most LI lists, anyway.

New guy wanting to get into the game. Is Ariadna good if you play it as more of an elite army or is it almost obligatory to go 2+ models? Also, how is heavy infantry focused Haqqislam?

So is there a site for good paper craft vehicles? Also does anyone have tips on doing sci-fi terrain? I saw the link in op but I wanted to do some diy stuff.

>>51293054
I'm not sure what you mean by 2+ models, but Ariadna is much more focused on lots of units rather than a few strong ones. ALEPH would be more what you want.

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Speaking of terrain, how is this setup?

>>51293114
>>51293054

>I'm not sure what you mean by 2+ models

Typo, meant 20+

>>51293132
Ariadna could have a 10 man or 16 man list and both can be really effective

>>51293127
It has some wide spaces, but overall looks okay. Just as long as there are no cases in which you can shoot from one side of the table directly to the other side.

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The voting has already closed here, yes?
What's your take one the Year of Yu Jing?

>>51293627
>No stealth bird lizards all year

Suffering.

>>51293726
They're there, you just failed your Discover roll ;^)

>>51292677
Game is balanced around a 4×4. 3x3 is fine if you are using set forces that are balanced against each other like the 2 force starter boxes. Once you start adding in custom forces, balance gets skewed.

Unfortunately you are up against two noob smasher armies that can force ugly skews.

Steel Phalanx you have to tech up against, bringing either MSV2 or a lot of templates. Balanced lists can take them on, but you need the tools to do so.

Ariadna has numbers along with a lot of models that can alpha strike or force asymmetrical trades. You'll need a combination of board control and templates to keep them contained.

>>51293054
You can decently do 10-15 models with Ariadna between the many skirmishers, dog faces, camouflage units, and the "Heavy" Infantry like Vet Kazaks, Minutemen, and Mormaers you have your choice of pricey models.

Heavy Infantry focused Haqqislam is viable, as they often have doctors and light infantry to support them. In Generic Armies, Al Fasids, Hassassin Ayyars, and Azrail are decent power units supported by the light infantry and cheesy Muttawi'ah smoke while in QK Janissary links are almost amazing, and can easily be cheapened a bit by Hafza to skim some twenty to forty points and still be a power unit. They have access to HI Akbar Doctors who can bring bring back HI to full wounds. Calling Haqqislam the "light Infantry faction" is almost a misnomer as their heavies are amazing too.

>>51293054
20+ models is spam and cancer.
14-16 model lists for Ariadna are the norm.
Less is also pretty playable.

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>>51293627
Voting's been closed, although I forgot to repost the surveys a couple of times.
http://www.strawpoll.me/11867623/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/11867728/r

Best overall, with most votes, not surprising to me:
Haqqislam:
Maghariba Guard (38)

Because /tg/ likes its fat models. Last year it was the Azrail HMG.

Second place:
PanO
>Tikbalangs and Uhlans
I think if they came in separate blisters, the Tikbalang would have been outvoting Maggy.

Nomads
>Taskmaster
Another big model

Mercenary
>Druze Hacker (was personally a bit surprised so many people voted for her and over the Su-Jian too)
Yu Jing
>Su Jian

Ariadna:
>Spetnaz HMG

Aleph:
>Mk 4/5 Proxies

Combined Army:
>300 point Onyx Contact Force Pack (followed by the Overdron)

Tohaa
>300 point Army pack (followed by Kosuil BS)

Most surprising entry with 0 votes: Wu Ming Box
Least surprising entry with zero votes:
Tie between Voronin HVT and Pheasant Rank Red Fury

I think next year I'll do a google survey or something other than strawpoll.

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>>51282426
>also has this cool thing gotten a new model yet?
He wasn't asking what it was, he asked if it had a new model

reading comprehension -10

>>51293627
>What's your take one the Year of Yu Jing?
Started playing the game this year with YuJing, wasn't disappointed.

>>51294504
The model is honestly fine apart from the goofy looking guns and sensors, they aged fairly well considering how old they are. Wouldn't mind a little resculpt of the gun bits if nothing else.

>>51292770
Thank you for the feedback.
Yep now that you named it I noticed the list lacks a FO. I guess I could have chosen the Naga FO instead of the KHD, but with this list I'm pretty scared of hacking threats so I put the KHD in to dissuade cyberassaults to the Marut. Maybe I'll reconsider after actually playing it, time will tell.

>>51294916
Low key one of my favorite models.

>>51293627
No Daofei or Guilang resculpt ... would still be disappointed.

>>51294008
Ok, so what should I do now. I won't get any more models till around May.

I have the option to buy 3 alguciles, that are suppose to be old models, they are armed with combis so not realy link material, but my question is. Is it worth buying them, I could get them for less then a cost a blister with 1 dude.
I could let me buff my points up to 200pts, but on the other hand 6 alguciles and lupe without a link, is it worth taking ?


Also how do nomads deal with big models? I played against a regular here, and beside shenanigans with some scary assasin models that crippled me turn 1, he had a Huge scorpion like thing. It had strong armor, a ton of wounds, it seemed unkillable. I know that this is just me, but when he suddenly poped out an assasin behind my sniper and then started rolling over me with the huge mecha, it felt kind of a bad.

>>51296116
Oh ... Maggy. She's kind of bog standard as far as TAGs go with her stats. Usual answers are hackers (easier with repeater nets Nomads tend to have) so that you can possess or immobilize the tag, close combat specialists, Nomads have a high amount of access to Adhesive Lauchers which can also immobilize a TAG. Also, with enough enthusiasm, you can still take down a TAG with straight firepower. Missile Lauchers, Snipers, HMGs... All capable of wittling those wounds down. Plus they're so big and can't go prone so they're hard to hide.

>>51296116
Impersonators can be a hassle if you aren't prepared and even still they can luck out. Most important counter to that is deployment
The standard anti-TAG method for Nomads is hacking. Throw a repeater next to it and it cannot activate without every hacker from your army getting a chance to hack it. You can also tie it in close combat.
If you have to kill it, just shoot it, preferably outside of cover and favourable range bands (minding possible flame throwers etc.). Throw enough dice at it and it will die with decent luck. Sometimes the best approach is to avoid it and kill its order pool.

>>51296116
6 Alguaciles and Lupe is not worth taking. 4 + Lupe in a link without heavy weapons is barely worth taking. And you will be paying less for noticably inferior, out of scale models.

>>51294270
People voted Druze because you asked for one in each category and it's the obvious best merc.

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>>51296116
>I could get them for less then a cost a blister with 1 dude
Well, not really useful, but if you want to spam basic Algauciles, for that kind of money maybe. But if you want to link them, you should save up for the box or get the hacker blister.

>Also how do nomads deal with big models?
Hacking! Time to learn it.

You can disable the TAG, Isolate it (meaning it can't take any orders), eject the pilot if it's piloted or possess it. Yes, you can take over enemy TAG to kill his buddies with it.
Hacking rules are pretty advanced, so read them carefully. But already know that your best hackers are Tunguska Interventors (they are best hackers in the game) and that your Morans carry Repeaters on their backs. So if something hackable wants to kill them up close (or they manage to sneak up to it), you can start hacking. Also the Spektr has a Hacker profile.

Hacking does not need LoF, so you can do it through walls.

Other ways to deal with TAGs: Panzerfausts (Lupe has one), DEP, Missile Launcher (Grenzer can take one, as can Brigada and Algauciles) or Adhesive Launchers.

As for the Hassassin Fiday, having a Jaguar or two or some Crazy Koalas in your Deployment Zone can help, as can setting up so that you leave no blind spots and can Discover right away. But yeah, Impersonation is so powerful only Haqqislam and Combined Army has it.

>>51296213
Non of the models in the starter set have any weapons beside the combi weapons. The brigada has a multi rifle, and lupe has some extra gear and that is it. It kind of a sucks, because other starter sets seem to have a ton of heavy weapons. The alpeh starter has two launchers and a hero with a heavier. The ariadna dudes seem to be almost exclusivly armed with HMG, auto cannons etc.

Seem a little bit unbalanced.

>>51296713
I asked my friends, and it looks like there will be no hacking used until we start playing 300pts games.

I will try the moran and sniper intruder next. I hope that that will be enough. I'll get the shotgun moran, he has a strengh 13 weapon.

>>51296713
Re. TAGs, the all purpose answer is to kill everything else. Maggie + Fiday is around 100 points. So all the rest of the order pool cost less, which means you can kill them easier and leave the big guy orderless. And Fidays are obviously less of an autoloss when you know they're coming. Just be careful when you're setting up overlapping fields of vision - they can hit groups with shotgun blasts.

>>51296904
>no hacking
>but still tags
Holy shit anon your friends are faggots.

>>51296116
Get some Interventors, and a Moran Maasai or two. Moran's are moving repeaters and they have nice little exploding Koalas, while Interventors are the best hackers and they have mobile remotes as well. You can easily hack the shit out of those fucks.

>>51296904
Strength 13 is pretty low, but Boarding Shotgun has AP mode, so that can help. Sniper Intruder also can use AP mode, just make sure to cover him with Smoke grenades before shooting, so no one can shoot back.

You're still probably going to lose a few more games before you win one, but you will learn with each loss. Just as long as you're having fun playing.

Also >>51296975
You should ask your friends if it's okay to bring TAGs when hacking is not allowed. TAGs are hard to deal with without hacking, so it's only fair.

>>51296116
>>51296987
Also, here's a nice little hacking companion site. It makes everything so much easier to understand in a nice, compact way:
http://www.captainspud.com/n3hacking/

>>51296904
Tell them to eat shit, hacking is a major part of balancing tags

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Just letting you know that I have uploaded all my Infinity strips to a single place: http://adhadh.deviantart.com/gallery/61870406/Infinity-Strips-Rolling-Guts

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>>51296904
>You aren't allowed to proxy anything unless you own the model
>No Hacking allowed below 300 points
>Running Steel Phalanx, Camospam Ariadna, Maghariba Guard

Okay, I understand your problem now. Your playgroup is made up of Poland-tier faggots that are actively taking advantage of you, and very possibly cheating you.

>>51297100
I still can't get over that first one. You can proxy because you don't like how a model looks, but you first have to buy the model you don't like?

>>51296904
Seriously just stop playing then. Your "friends" sound like a bunch of fun police faggots. Hacking is literally a necessary thing for some factionsto reliably deal with HI or TAGs. Seriously. Just stop even trying to play with these stupid fucks.

>>51297059
Draw me a cute girl and maybe I will. Catboys are a no-go for me, friend.

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>>51297173

>>51297012
well they said they don't have hackers in their armies, and want to leave it till we play normal sized games. I can't realy out vote 3 people, it was hard enough to find any friends in a foreign country.

>>51297012
the fun part is kind of a my problem. The games are fast and that is good, but it kind of a feels like am getting walked all over. I will try to ask them if we can play with less terrain, because right now it seems to favor tough close range troopers, and my dudes seem to suck at it.

How should I go about a vanilla Nomad list? I'm for sure taking 2 Interventors in case of HI, TAGs, or the REMs my friend is no doubt going to use, and I'm taking at least one Moran Maasai. Mobile Brigades were my main force for Corregidor but they're expensive, and Alguaciles suck without fire teams. And the Bakunin units I like are too slow for the most part, why are so many 6-4? Sectorials are so much easier, man.

>>51297159
Well I don't have any other friends, and I have been in germany since septmber, and no am not a refugee, it is realy hard to find people to do anything with. If I stop playing vs them my only other option is to steal money and get a 300pts army and play the regulars, or stay at home with models I can't use.

>>51297143
Sounds to me like it's meant to allow proxying different loadouts but not different unit, ie grenzer sniper can proxy for grenzer ML, but not for intruder sniper.
To be fair is similar to the official ITS tournament rules, but I really can't understand why anyone would want to enforce it in his group of friends (especially with people that are just starting and testing out lists).

>>51297218
>well they said they don't have hackers in their armies
Bullshit, only Ariadna has shit hackers and Tohaa has none. Maybe they just don't have hacker models yet, but every army has some hacking. Also tell them about the recent Update if they have not noticed it yet: every non-CA army can use the ALIVE Anti-Establishment group now, and they're all hackers.

Setting up terrain is a delicate art. Too much of it favours close range dudes too much. Too little makes snipers lock down games. You can try asking.

Your short range dudes are Jaguars, Morlocks, Uberfallkommando and Bandits, as well as everything that carries a Boarding Shotgun. You could also try using Airborne Deployment troops, like Tomcats or Hellcats. Just walk them from the side.

>>51297284
>get a 300pts army and play the regulars
How about you contact the regulars anyway? You should find a good guy that can teach you how to play among them. Maybe you even have a Warcor in your area. Warcors are official judges and game ambassadors, it is their duty to help new players.
https://its.infinitythegame.com/warcors/list

>>51297218
>no, hackers in small games are too complex, we'll get to them in time
>ah btw I'm fielding a Maghariba at 200 pts, nothing wrong with it :DDD
Dickheads

>>51297249
>6-4
Don't you mean 4-2? 6-4 is fast.
And that is because some of the best Nomad units are Medium Infantry. You should take them with either long range weapons or infiltration. An Intruder with Combi+Light Ft. is a waste of points, but with HMG or MSR he's golden.

Algauciles suck without fireteams, but you take them because you need Orders. You could use Moderators, they suck even more, but are cheaper.

>>51293054
I played elite Kazaks and have no real issue. Between Spetsnaz, Tankhunters, and obviously the Vet Kazaks, we have a lot of really nice models that you have to pay a bit of a penny for. I average somewhere between 10-15 models when I play, and it works great.

>>51297388
>How about you contact the regulars anyway?
I did, all they play is 300pts games. Although they do seem to play a lot of different versions of 300pts. I was there when my friends asked them for demos etc and they orgeniser said he will give us demon games when we get 300pts lists. I also am in bit worse position, because both my friends bought their armies in the store, and I didn't.

>>51297520
Well, that's pretty weird. Usually regulars teach new guys how to play with 200pts at first. Sometimes people play 200pts anyway, because those games tend to end quicker.

>>51297499
Shit, yeah. Sorry, trying to convert centimeters really quick in my head isn't easy. For some reason the app only shows movement in centimeters. Yeah I'll probably just grab some FO Moderators or Alguaciles for orders and specialists then protect them with my bigger slow guys I suppose. Gotta look into more.

>>51297284
Honestly at this point you'll have more fun if you just wait most likely. Get some more money, build a 300 point list, and play with the regulars instead of those other stupid fags.

>>51297059
Keep up the good work. Soon to send some love your way.

>>51297644
>For some reason the app only shows movement in centimeters
You can change it in the options tab on the right.
FO Moderators are great, I never take any other profile.

>>51298366
The fuck. They don't have an FO profile? What the hell, CB? I feel like a moron, I just assumed they had one.

>>51293627
Pretty good year for yujing, not bad for EI too. Kinda meh for everyone else IMHO

>>51298441
Ah, sorry for confusing you. I thought you meant Morans.
Moderators have an 11pts Paramedic profile though. But really their main use is getting something cheaper than Algauciles to scrounge up points for something more useful, like a Brigada hacker.

Can y'all do me a favor and post the best Official Infinity art you have? I'm trying to beef up my reference folder.

>>51298498
Haha I honestly thought you were messing with me because I didn't know there was no FO profile, that's all. Yeah the Maasai is definitely gonna be FO, and I suppose a Paramedic wouldn't be bad. Not like flash pulse would be all that good on a Moderator anyway. You think a Brigada hacker would be better than an Interventor? I love my Interventors so I was gonna field two of them.

>>51297218
>phalanx links
>camospam
>maggy
>odd out the ass
>but hacking is too much

Switch to Haqq and just start every list with 4 jammer Gazi. Fuck it.

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>>51298584
RPG art included? Not sure if that is a good idea, it's an easy way to oversaturate the thread. Maybe if someone has a lot of it, he or she could make an imgur album.

>>51298676

Is there anywhere I can get all of it and rip it? I REALLY want everything I can get my hands on, for (fan)art purposes.

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>>51298690
I highly doubt it, but there's enough if you look around. Googling artists names from the book credits is a way to find some of it. Unfortunately I don't have the books on hand.
I can try to put an imgur album of all the dossiers I have saved.

>>51298718

It would be deeply appreciated.

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>>51298584
I actually don't download "official" art that much.

In the downloads page of the main site there's some classic drawings of some of the units under wallpapers and art.

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>>51298801
http://imgur.com/a/5jD6j
I think that's all, but I may add a few more.

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>>51298820
Didn't see the Guijia there.

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>>51298820
>>51298959
I've also got the Wu Ming, Yojimbo, Zuyong, and Tiger soldier because I was collecting Dossiers for something.

>>51298959
What a beautiful, if inferior chinese robot that has to be powered by some kind of prostitute waitress. Not like more sophisticated, well engineered, slightly* more expensive PanO models! That only use prostitutes to maintain them at base.

>>51298599
Have you considered an Interventor and Custodier rather than two Interventors? The Interventor is a better, cheaper pure hacker, but ODD and Pitcher are pretty nice utilities, so she can play a bit further up field.

>>51299199
Haven't looked into it enough yet, I'll check her out. I'm doing all this while at work, between pick ups. I'm much more familiar with Morats, simple shoot or bash without much thinking haha.

How would this be to start yu jing
Sectorial Starter
Kuang Chi
Celestial box
Hsien

What am I missing, is there stuff I should proxy or buy?

>>51299297
Sophotect and the Yudbots. You'll want a doctor/engineer to fix people/things up. You might want to hold on the Hsien purchase as you already have the crane rank in your starter. Also, the the remotes box is a good purchase. Having the Weibing Yaokong can be a godsend sometimes, the Rui Shi is amazing, and the Lu Duan's good too.

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>>51298584
Personal favorite. Although I used to have a bigger version I photoshopped together from two pics.

>>51299117
Our "prostitute" are miles more diciplined and has more balls than all your mens combined, mr.wagebot.

>>51299297
I'd hold on the CG box because there's a drastic size differencd between them and the starter. If that doesnt bother you, then go for it.

If you can I'd get a Sophotect and her Yudbots, the Hsien HMG from the vanilla starter, and some Basic and Combat Remotes (Yaokong and Yaoxie). A second box of Kuang Shi could be useful, but not totally necessary.

I am looking at the store stuff, and I can't find a hmg hsien anywhere. I see the combi one, and it is the one I bought. Is he a new model?

>>51299869
Here it is on Miniature Market. http://www.miniaturemarket.com/cvb280327-0146.html

I don't know if you can use the product number to search on the CB store or not.

>>51299372
I always thought this was goofy. What sort of invincible anaconda is supposed to go toe to toe with 3 Hac Tao?

>>51299869
An HMG Hsien is in the Starter/Red Veil

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So guys I have a tourney coming up and I might go against a dude with a domaru link

My idea was to run a full link of jaguars and Deadpool

I figure his NBW will cancel out the MA, and the AP/EM dual wield will take them down in 1 hit

Thoughts?

>>51286365
I run a HMG Sukael in every list, he outshoots sooo much shit sooo easy and with the mate he can win unfair fights. You really only need one Missile launcher, and hes an ARO piece cus Burst 2 missile launchers are pretty good. But thats like my opinion man.

>>51300004
If I were playing Domaru/Haramaki and my link ends up fighting CC with some other link, something went horribly wrong.

>>51300004
Requesting an edit of this showing massacre and mcmurrough and saying "greetings from Corregidor"

>>51299977
I dont want to buy a whole starter just to get 1 model. is there another way to get him, like in a blister or something?

>>51300223
>>51299938

>>51300223
Look up ChoKonnit or ShaeKonnit, he's a UK-based reseller who splits boxes.

>>51299117
>Hiring prostitutes to pilot TAGs
>Instead of hiring prostitutes to suck you off while you pilot superior Remote Presence TAGs from the comfort of your base

Fucking Yu Jing can't do anything right.

The Qapu Khalqi starter is everything I hate about some minis, half the minis are sitting or squatting and one guy has no gun and his arms crossed, one guy is trying to throw his gun, and another guy is just being weird. But I wanna field Odalisques because they're pretty good looking minis and actually seem pretty powerful. I like the Hassassin Sectorial, those minis look cool as fuck. What do? Just use the Odalisques as proxies for something else? Buy minis individually for a Qapu Khalqi list? Don't buy anything for Haqqislam because I already spent $200 on Nomads, Ariadna, Morats, and Yu-Jing?

>>51300795
Play Hassassin-heavy Vanilla Haqq, with the option of playing Bahram if you feel like linking Muyibs.

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New prowler painted. Thoughts? Too many red plates?

>>51300795
>What do?
kys

>>51300849
I probably will do that.
>>51301781
Probably will do this some day too.

>>51293127
Is that the back side of the LE Alcabaza building? Seems a waste to leave it bare MDF.

>there will never be custom uberfallkommando pupnik miniatures that aren't sex slaves
>you will never be catgirl Nick van Owen Grady (nee Chris Pratt) leading shotgun-equipped raptors into battle against rogue Ariadnans or Combined Army bioweapons

>>51303983
>rogue Ariadnans
Isn't this a little counter-intuitive? Wouldn't a rogue Ariadnan just be a conformist Ariadnan?

>>51304039
Given how extremely Cold War/modern-day Ariadnans are, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to imagine splinter militia/lolbertarian groups trying to bring FREEDOM to space, Chechens holding grudges, ultranationalist Soviets in the vein of shitty 80s action flicks, or werewolf supremacists.

iirc Ariadna also has legit Wild West-style desperadoes/bandits and amerind raiders that Ariadna either fights against or bribes into running ops into them.

>>51301347
It looks fine, man. Doesn't look like there are excessive red plates at all.

>>51304133
Are there swamps on Ariadna? I figured there was since it's like earth in most regards.

>>51304612
>there are Scottish

Duh.

>>51293627
3 fucking tohaa releases. So glad i tried a new race

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>>51304612
Possibly. Or this is Paradiso.

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>>51304039
Ariadna is factitious as fuck. It wasn't just enough the planet was trying to kill them, they got plenty of experience fighting each other. The only reasons they can be unified are the Kazaks managed to take control and there are outside forces that want to take their resources.

>>51293627
It was glorious and expensive year as a Yu Jing player. If you are going to declare a "Year of X," that is how it's done. Updates to some of the oldest models in the line; getting not one, but two starter box sets; and completely new assets. Combine that with the restructuring and new profiles of HSN3, it's hard not to be happy. I admit I'm not fond of Xi's and the Pheasant Red Fury poses, nor the weird scaling issues of the Zhanshi SWC box, but overall great year for the State Empire.

Overall, I'm surprised how many dry spells were ended. Zhanshi, Stingrays, Vanilla ALEPH got new models. Hell Bakunin and Shock got multiple significant releases. There is still a big backlog, but they took a big bite out for this year.

>>51299297
In addition to other anons' good advices I suggest you to pick up some specialists, either Kanren or a Ninja (you'll use almost only the tac-bow KHD one so no combi or sniper models) or both.

Also if you have the chance to get a couple of dakinis go for it, the paramedic profile is very useful to make up for ISS' chronic lack of specialists.

Nomad and PanO tacticas updated to include ALIVE and TAG pilots https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Infinity_Tactics

You can casevac a Kuang Shi and shoot it right?

(re)starting up a blog for stuff, please give me feedback. https://theartofviktory.wordpress.com/2017/01/20/creativity-casevac-kuang-shi-and-you/ sorry for attention whoring

>>51297520
Is there a reason for you having to stay in Erfurt? Like school or work?
If not, other communities in germany are less toxic.

>>51305067
Yeah, I had to re-update and erase the iguana operator's specialist operative status.

Is the addition of Scarface and Cordelia to every non-CA faction a permanant change?

>>51305661
No, they're supposed to be there until the end of TAGLINE.

>>51304903
Black Jacks when though ?

Black Jacks when !

PLEASE BLACK JACKS CB.

Im an Aleph player first but i want Black jacks so badly.

>>51305335
that's a valid move and pretty creative way to use the casevac rule, bravo. My concerns are that the method is kinda order intensive and it only works for one shot (or better the first shot, seeing as performing attacks drops the casevac and the KS is hardly going to survive the shot).
The added repeater is a nice bonus but the utility against camo marker is disputable seeing as the Su-Jian already has a light flamethrower to intuitive attack the markers and burn their camo.

>>51305335
I relayed this to my yujing playing "friends".
Well written, thx.

>>51305785
>Su-Jian already has a light flamethrower to intuitive attack the markers and burn their camo.
You don't need to intuitive attack, you just declare bs attack against the ks so the impact template hits the camo. NO gambling on wip rolls
>>51305802
There seem to be some issue with the timing on how this works, since declaration and canceling casevac on the same order seem to matter

>>51305820
>You don't need to intuitive attack, you just declare bs attack against the ks so the impact template hits the camo. NO gambling on wip rolls
no doubts on that, but I'd rather take the gamble, save some orders and shoot something along the way. Btw the camo marker can still declare dodge or shoot back at you f2f, you'll have much better modifiers but with dices involved it's never certain.

Also this works only with the Heavy Shotgun loadout, which is almost never taken unless as the second member of a duo.

All in all it's an effective tactic but extremely niche, I'd do it if both a KS and Su-Jian are midfield and there happens to be a camo marker nearby, but I can't really see myself hauling a KS from deployment zone through half the table; I chose the Su-Jian to race ahead and fuck shit up in firefights, not to take care of an epileptic Kuang Shi in the off chance the first enemy he'll encounter is a camo marker.

>>51305493
Because of school. Plus my mom and dad are going to work on conservation .

>>51305743
Fuck Blackjacks. Ayyar when?!?! I need my pistol whipping holo projecting heavy guy now!

KISS isn't a name, but an acronym:
>Keep It Simple, Stupid

Ugh.

So if I fail a BS roll with my Pitcher, does it effectively waste one of its two shots?

>>51306516
yep, failed attempts still deplete disposable items.

>>51306384
Fuck Ayyars. Shikami when?!?! I need my double katana wielding superjumping heavy guy now!

Can I get some help with this list?
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I feel like, beyond hacking, I'll get nothing done, but it excels at hacking. My bandit and Maasai would be good as long as they aren't overwhelmed, and my Custodier and Lt can hold their own, but otherwise I dunno. No real heavy weapons. Mobile Brigada are just expensive.

>>51306574
Actually, come to think of it, why are 3/4 missing profile sculpts Heavy Infantry?

>>51306574
Just grab the Mushashi double pack and proxy them.

>>51306851
I think you're exaggerating the figure here, there are plenty of missing LI/MI (some of them much older than Ayyar or Shikami)

>>51307112
Not exactly what I meant. I meant, unit profiles that don't have a sculpt that could fill in for another missing weapon sculpt. Like, I know there's only Zhanying sculpt for the ML, and it's missing some 9 weapon profiles, but you still have the one Zhanying model that you can technically proxy for the other weapons.

>>51307112
Yo.
ML Grenzer when? New Kamau when? Regular Hacker? Locust? Securitate?

>>51307185
Oh yeah, Locusts exist. 3/5

>>51307210
Did you count ALIVE? Because that's 4 sculpts.

>>51307269
well they've been just announced, give CB some time

>>51307166
most of the missing models have been released with HSN3, I think it has more to do with newness than with the infantry type. Or maybe HI are just more costly to produce, who knows.

>>51307310
>>51305743
My personal theory as to why Blackjacks are taking so long is that they're currently at a small shortage of concept designers, as shown by their post for hiring, and they need to make totally new concepts for the Blackjack, as well as new models for representing the "battle-ravaged" state as the rules as written seem to imply replacing the model to represent it, on top of it they have to design a new sniper rifle to match the giant heavy infantry, so it's probably double the work compared to say sculpting another Zhanshi for the SWC box.

Semi-stupid question but does Shock affect the NWI on Achilles or some other 2 wound model?

>>51307418
Shock is only applied to 1 Wound models.
However it does override Dogged or NWI on 1 wound models.
So Achilles is immune, but his butt-buddy Patroclus is not.

>>51307418
From the wiki
"IMPORTANT!
Shock Special Ammunition cancels the effects of the target's Special Skills Valor L2: Dogged and Valor L3: No Wound Incapacitation. Shock Special Ammunition also cancels the effects of the SpawnEmbryo part of the Shasvastii Special Skill."

>>51307434
Not that Achilles even have that pesky NWI. 3 wounds straight.

>>51307393
well it's not really a theory, CB said multiple times they have a shortage of designers and the sculpors find themselves often with nothing to do, they even put Bostria back to work on drawing. It's entirely plausible anyway, designing a brand new model is much more time-consuming than adapting an existing one (expecially with the CAD method)

>>51307418
>does Shock affect the NWI on Achilles or some other 2 wound model?
Just look at the wound value on the profile, anything higher than W1 is totally unaffected by shock regardless of how many W they have at the moment of impact or any special rule like NWI.

>>51307446
Holy fuck you're right, I wonder how long that part was there without me knowing. I retract my previous answer NWI gets canceled.

>>51307481
Oh man, I straight up remembered that wrong. I was probably thinking of Hector because he gets compared with Achilles all the time but I could've said Ajax or an Asura.

>>51307446
I mean I get that, but the reason I was asking was because it says "the special effect does not apply to units with wounds attribute higher than 1"
>>51307508
I mean I'm thinking that's the case, but the information seems conflicting. I'm leaning towards multi-wound models being immune though, but what I'm reading seems to state otherwise.

>>51307545
Ok, I think it's about settled now that I see this post pop up. NWI/Dogged gets canceled. That's good news I guess.

Reason I asked was because I was weighing shock marksman Djanbazan option against potential Aleph targets. Thank you for the responses.

>>51307622
>Ok, I think it's about settled now that I see this post pop up. NWI/Dogged gets canceled. That's good news I guess.
I looked into the official forums to clarify this and wow, double turnaround! in the end my initial instinct was right
http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/topic/45955-shock-vs-w2-and-vnwi/#comment-879316

It's just a very bad case of "shitty writing". Multiwounds or STR models are totally unaffected by shock, the red box is misdirecting.

>>51307446
Yet another reason why I love Vet Kazaks. Get shit on, ALEPH.

>>51307622
>I was weighing shock marksman Djanbazan option against potential Aleph targets
Bring it anyway, shock is really good against ALEPH. So many 1W NWI or Dogged units to snipe (less if you're playing against Steel Phalanx, but still good)

>>51307673
Double settled then I guess.

>>51307697
Yeah, I think I will. I have the shiny Djanbazan box and I'm making them my core link, not necessarily against Aleph, but I like them anyways.

Now to think if I include the Doctor and the Hacker or just make the Hacker a normal one.

They gave away a Guijia for Chinese New Year last year, think they'll give another model this year?

A Su-Jian maybe?

>>51307739
Que es eso?

Looks like a hairy guy with fingerless gloves

>>51307739
I don't have a fucking clue what this could be. The shoulderpiece looks like some kind of jetpack, similar to the Haqq ones but most likely won't have anything to do with it.

Other than that I gotta say after the initial ALIVE blunder CB is improving their hype managment.

>>51307813
Makaul?

SOMEBODY SAID YEAR OF TOHAA??

>>51307739
So what are they hiding? I see spikes, a shoulder mounted weapon. Looks thick and possibly S5 or bigger to me. Didn't Hellois mention something about a "big" thing this year. From the general looks of it I want to say it's an onyx unit like an Overdron or Xeodron but that bracelet doesn't quite match the aesthetic the general forearms of those units have. Could be a Nexus but I wouldn't think it would have such thick arms.

Maybe I'm fixating on Onyx too much and it's a Shikami with a jump pack or some new random Tohaa unit, or more likely, one of the Alive Anti-establishment group members.

>>51307739
"Months went by and people at the events start wondering what would be next. What would be the next big move from Corvus Belli? What are they hiding?

I can only paraphrase the Chinese curse mentioned in the Infinity background: 'interesting times ahead'."

>>51307739
Varuna Helot? Some kind of antipode hybrid?

>>51301347
Looks like Han Solo has more debts again.

>>51307864
Was supposed to be last year

>>51308190
>3 new releases whole year
ok

>>51308277
I said it was supposed to be, not that it was

>>51308136
>antipode hybrid
You mean, like a dog face? Or perhaps a wulver?