/srg/ Shadowrun General

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>when you find out the rigger removed manual steering from the van and only can interface wirelessly and doesn't tell you this until you get jammed so heavily they can't drive

>>51274674
Why can't he just jack in?

Realistically how should a runner team respond if Brakhaven shows up to "request" something from your runners after giving you an anonymous meet message, then shortly afterwards having UCAS FBI get the drop on you and give you a counter-offer?
Completely hypothetical of course.

>>51274688
Not him, but I think by "jammed so heavily" he means "the rigger got shot up".

>>51274688
Apparently he saw fit to remove the physical socket for his brain cable as well, limiting it to only wireless interfacing.

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>>51274723
Given he mentioned wireless, I thought it was literally, "There's so much noise he can't connect wirelessly."

>>51274730
That was a very foolish thing to do.

>>51274730
>>51274723
Oh, my mistake. Why the hell would he do that? Datajack rigging is best rigging; if anything I'd remove wireless control on my vehicle to prevent it from getting hacked.

>>51274730
Welp... Let's hope he installed a good pilot program, at least...

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>>51274710

What part of "Never, ever make a deal with a dragon" don't you understand?

>>51274730

OH SHIT TROGGA WHAT ARE YOU DOING

>>51274775
Brakhaven's not a dragon, omae.
>master1200
fucking STOP IT

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>>51274790
>Mixed up Brackhaven and Brackhaus

I'll return to where I belong.

>>51274730
That's fucking retarded

>>51274643
Aren't we all working for dragons to begin with?

Everything's controlled by dragons, that means that even our employers are acting exactly as a dragon would like them to act, right?

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>>51274915

Not all of the megacorps are controlled by dragons.
Or at least that's what they want you to believe.

>>51274643
In our hometown of Seattle we helped them solve a 15 year old cold case when we stumbled across key evidence on a run and gave the cops an anonymous tip (also we pumped the perpetrator full of explosive rounds, but that was part of the run anyways). In Hong Kong we freed some children bound to be sold into slavery, told the cops where they could pick them up and take credit for them, and boy did they ever milk all the PR out of that they could. So far, all our interactions with law enforcement have been limited to giving anonymous tips and getting hired by a Mr.Johnson who's a cop and quite frankly I would prefer it to stay that way if possible.

>>51274952
To be fair, Saeder-Krupp is the only one owned and controlled ENTIRELY by a dragon.

>>51274915
Some things are controlled by immortal elves.

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Would you ever run with a ghoul? Let alone a ghoul who doesn't try too hard to keep you uninfected?

>>51274643

How do I roleplay low Essence? Like 0.2 Essence?

>>51275021
>would you run with a ghoul
depends on the character but most likely not except under extreme circumstances
>doesn't try too hard to keep you uninfected
Unless they were my partners like lifelong friend since childhood before ghoulification they are getting a bullet between the eyes.

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>>51274051

It's not a man, it's one of the weird metaplanar creatures (which is in HS). IIRC, it's one of the 'friendly' ones that basically travels around the multiverse learning stories and hanging out.

>>51275021
All ghouls are to be shot on sight, no exceptions, along with all other Infected.

>>51275021
No.

>>51275042
Low essence can mean anything at all.

>>51275042
It varies between person to person and some can deal with it better than others. A few examples of very very very low essence are:
>An extreme lack of empathy for others and inability to relate with everyday problems
>Superiority complexes where you perceive yourself to be better than others because on almost every objective metric you are
>A lack of self preservation or "self" at all in extreme cases

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>>51274967
That sounds nice. Maybe I should stop playing thrill gangers.

>>51274674
So, did this actually happen, or is this just a joke?

>>51275042
Essence doesn't have an effect on one's personality persay, but if you have that low an Essence you're statistically likely to be a violent sociopath.

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>>51275021
If they were making a conscious effort to not go full feral, then I'd probably let them tag along. If they were shifty, then not without a cranial bomb.

>>51275042
It tends to be a little vague as to what exactly low essence does to you between editions, but the general gist is that low-essence people are generally disconnected from others (ranging from problems empathising and understanding social cues to outright sociopathy) and have trouble keeping their emotions in check. Some of them are very impulsive and quick to emote, while others are disturbingly stoic and disassociative.

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>>51275042

>>51275085
>Superiority complexes where you perceive yourself to be better than others because on almost every objective metric you are
That's something just about any shadowrunner can get, regardless of their essence level.

>>51275088
>persay,
per se

>>51274775
Brackhaven isn't a dragon
It seems everybody from our initial Johnson to the governor of Seattle to the UCAS FBI want the commlink of the fuck that we got hired to bump off (who happens to be the head of the Seattle housing department)

>>51275095
My streetsam has 0.02 essence and he's still got his original dick.

>>51275113
Damned phonetics.

>>51275127
Are you committed to completing the run by the books and maintaining a spotless reputation?If not, time to get them all in the same room (virtual or physical) and start a bidding war.

>>51275042
There are intentionally no hard-and-fast rules for it.
Low Essence doesn't necessarily mean you get cyberpsychosis, it just ups the risk - some people get cyberpsychosis from having a single limb replaced, while others can go for ages at Essence 0.02 without any issues.
It depends on personality and circumstances, really.
The things likely to trigger the "dead inside" kind of cyberpsychosis include losing friends and family, doing a ton of combat drugs, committing some fucked-up crime and not feeling as instinctually guilty as one should, spending too much time "on the job" and having previous issues with rejection or addictive behavior.
The things likely to trigger the "violent, heartless psychopath" kind are witnessing brutal violence, having to perpetrate brutal violence, running out of meaningful obstacles and enemies because of that neat cybershotgun, suddenly having massively increased physical potential and the like.
The former is generally induced by feeling different from normal humans and being acutely aware of the hormonal changes induced by surgery, and the second is generally induced by the social and legal consequences that kept one from doing what one wanted falling away under the power that cybernetics bring.

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>>51275111

Yeah. Adepts can easily be vulnerable to Superhuman Psychosis as well.

>>51275127

I got Brackhaven mixed up with Brackhaus.
Brackhaven's still a dick, though. I wouldn't be giving him anything unless our whole team was Humanis sympathizers.

>>51275150
Depends on if he means Kenneth or Karl.

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>>51275184

They're both pretty anti-meta, Karl's just much more explicit about it from what I remember.

>>51275150
Humanis doesn't look at the big picture. It's a sad day when Russia's the only one with a racism system that makes sense.

>>51275000
How many elves are immortal?

>>51275290
Too many.

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>>51275290
There's a handful that survived from the 4th World. Ehran the Scribe, Harlequin, Aithne Oakforest, a couple other Princes of Tir Tairngire.

I guess now you count in all the weirdos from the Tir na nOg elf otherworld metaplane thing.

>>51275048
To be clear, I just mean doesn't wear a full hazmat suit at all times, not that he actively tries to bite you or spit in your drink.

>>51275091
Fair enough, the character I was thinking of making was pretty close to a ghoul before turning, so the whole thing was actually pretty natural for him.

>>51275290
There are, at most, like two dozen from the 4th world that survived to this one.

That said, I think all elves in general have the potential to live forever or at least several hundred years.

>>51275319
Drek. We're screwed

>>51275347
No, I'm pretty sure Immortal Elves are basically a separate species from normal Elves, that resulted from an Elf having kids with a Dragon.
(This is why Dragons tend to avoid having kids with Metahumans.)

>>51274750
Wireless is dumb, death to all who use wireless

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>>51275086

>>51275484
Wireless isn't all bad; it's good for when social conventions and other such bullshit circumstances demand that you leave your armored up Ares Roadmaster, and you need it for drones. That said, I still maintain my position that anyone who removes the manual controls from their ride is an idiot.

>>51275634
>anyone who removes the manual controls from their ride is an idiot.
This. It's important to at least have the option of letting other people drive the party van, in case you're indisposed. Especially if that someone happens to be the sammy with a decent driving stat.

Bit of a tangent, but it's pretty easy to turn a sammy into a decent backup driver. Just take his already-jacked-up reflexes that are probably 7 or 8, put one point in pilot ground, and get a specialization in wheeled vehicles. Most of the time you want the sammy away from the wheel so he can shoot people during inevitable car-chases, but it's a bit of insurance in case the rigger gets KO'd or you want to move two vehicles at once.

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Need pictures of drones.

>>51275819
Those wouldn't happen to be based off Rumble Robots, would they?

>>51275021
My bff is a Mutaqua and we got along just fine until he started shedding on my floor and the Triads tried to kill us in my high rise apartment in my cozy AA neighborhood.

I miss that place.

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>>51275819
What kind?

>>51276529
Any really, I just don't have very many saved.

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>>51276589

>>51276494
>he's still talking about it
Good god man, you really need to catch that blood mage and get back home.

>>51276606
I've had that apartment for over a year. I was rolling in dough man, almost half a million. I was getting ready to buy it off. I was attached to it.

Now I gotta be a drug farmers in the NAN and set up organ leggers in Hong Kong just to get out of rock bottom.

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>>51276647

>>51275150
We made copies of the commlinks and gave one to everyone. Mostly worked and we netted a cool 750k out of it for a three man team.

>>51276494
>>51276606
>>51276632
Has anyone else noticed that some of the conversations we have could pass for Jackpoint commentary/shitposting with little to no editing? Seriously, a CGL writer could lurk in /srg/ and get plenty of material without having to flex a creative muscle.

>>51276976
Check Little Mac's next work and see if you can spot discussion of Roboschlong, the cyberzombie made entirely of cyberdicks.

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>>51276976
It's my only chance to get into the books.

>>51277036
Oh, there's already a reference to that in Chrome Flesh:
> I could tell you about a guy I know named Mr. Porcupine, but you can probably connect the dots on this one.
> Stone

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>>51277036
>>51276976
Also, it's less Jackpoint and more Shadowlands. The Jackpointers are too cool for school, but the discussions in the older editions were literally anonymous shitposting with more namefags than average.

>>51277102
So Jackpoint is like the Reddit to Shadowland's 4chan?

>>51277102
>that pic
oh the cringe

>>51277214
More like Shadowlands was literally based off of old BBSes, which is what 2ch is, and what 4chan basically is, but with images.

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>>51277222
I can absolutely see a 2070's corpgirl walking around in her 800¥ Zöe jeans, wearing some cosmetic bioware for her night out (Daddy will pay to have to replaced in a couple months when it's out of fashion) and singing Mercurial songs that have come back into fashion for a hot picosecond.

There's a severe lack of pictures of people just going about their average lives.

>>51277289
>I can absolutely see a 2070's corpgirl walking around in her 800¥ Zöe jeans, wearing some cosmetic bioware for her night out (Daddy will pay to have to replaced in a couple months when it's out of fashion) and singing Mercurial songs that have come back into fashion for a hot picosecond.
I can just feel the contempt building up in my heart.

I just came to the realization that I don't have any SR PDFs and my computer got trashed in transit during a move. Thanks /srg/ for being there!

actually on topic, anybody have any good suggestions for making a streets level ghoul character?

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Okay /srg/ i have a sorta problem.

At this point i'm sure that my GM is
A). a sadist and
B). is targeting me

I'm a part of the group since half a year (the groups is around a year old) and my characters died 4 times so far, all where deckers of some sort.

The rigger and steet sam still enjoy their first PC's.

Also the death have been either some sort of plotwist asspull
>Suprise attack ! / They were waiting for a chance to betray you.

or interpreting the rules in the most unfavourable way when it comes to me.

TL;DR GM's a sadist and need to create the most unkillable character by RAW (since that the only thing he listens to)

So how does one pull that off ? Burnout adept ? Drone swarm Rigger ? Smite [Anything] Mage ?

What are the most optimised characters out there ?

>>51277437
If he wants you dead, you're dead. Talk it out with him and see if your feelings are justified.

>>51277264
But Jackpoint is much more like Reddit in comparison because it's got a Rep Score and other dumb community crap like that, right?

>>51277437
have you tried talking to him

>>51277371
Ghouls generally form their own street gangs and communities, usually in the sewer and shit. Maybe you're a bread winner for a couple of other ghouls who don't have marketable skills in the slums or have started to go feral but you pity them? You could also be a former member of a ghoul gang who left because you didn't agree with some part of them. There's a lot of options, because they're basically like an extreme minority or modern lepers, but with enhanced strength.

One thing to pay attention to though is that ghouls have a price on their head in most places, and stupid gutter grime is going to be more prejudiced against you than regular people who are already pretty prejudiced. So keep your head down and try not to draw too much attention to yourself.

>>51277585
Are there things Ghouls are innately good at? I don't expect this to be a very flashy game, considering the description given to me was "We're going to be playing a some street thugs." So I would wager my resources are going to be next to nothing.

>>51277647
Ghouls are fantastic for making a corpse disappear.

>>51277647
Savagely beating people. Finding things in the dark. Making people not want to touch things.

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I'm new to Shadowrun and I have trouble understanding the importance of fake SINs and credsticks for shadowrunners in a world where digital currency is commonplace.

Certified credsticks "carry funds certified by one of the financial powers of the world", so presumably a bank. I assume one must have an account in a bank to carry money in its name. So you have to make that account with a fake SIN, which the credstick is directly connected to?

Also, don't banks thoroughly check the SINs of their customers? It would be pretty easy to figure out that a Shadowrunner is not actually working as a cashier in a grocery store.

I feel like I'm missing some crucial part of the picture. If almost everything is based on digital transactions, then banks, and thus the governments and corps, constantly monitor the cash flow, which in turn leaves very little space for anonymity.

>>51277711
>Also, don't banks thoroughly check the SINs of their customers?
That's assuming your "bank" of choice is a legitimate, legal financial institution.

>>51277711
Credsticks are anonymous. While the money in them is theoretically trackable, there's no actual way of telling who's the one moving the money around or for what.

>>51277725
>That's assuming your "bank" of choice is a legitimate, legal financial institution.

The rulebook says "The bigger the bank, the more stable the money stored on the credstick, so most people like to use sticks certifed by the biggest bank there is, the Zurich-Orbital Gemeinschaftsbank." So I guess it has to be seen as a legal financial institution by someone, presumably the corps?

>>51277733
So the money on credstick isn't associated with a bank account or doesn't require a bank account at all?

Has anyone ever run a game that's just a Lone Star squad going about their daily business? Maybe bumping into the same Shadowrunners so often that they actually start to recognize them?

>>51277779
>Maybe bumping into the same Shadowrunners so often that they actually start to recognize them?
Now that's just asking for one of the PCs to go full Captain Ahab on one of the runners.

>>51274643
I have a question about hacking and rigging when you're playing an adept

Is there a way to make a decker who doesn't have implants?

I think I remember some piece of hardware like interface headbands and gloves from 4e. what would be the pro and con of using that instead of the usual datajack and implanted commlink?

>>51278063
I think you can do it with trodes, but the question you should really be asking is "can I use Adept powers in the Matrix"?

>>51278063
The only mechanical advantage of the Datajack is the free noise reduction. Otherwise Trodes works the same, without the free universal connection cord. You don't need touchlink gloves if you have Trodes or a Datajack, those provide DNI.

Adepts make very strong AR Hackers.

>>51278124
The character concept I was looking for didn't focus that much on being in the matrix. Or using adept powers at least.

The main focus was to use adept powers to boost mental attributes and skills like programming, hacking, pilot and gunner. Get them maxed out for cheap. Then get that one power that lets you multitask like crazy so I can perform a bunch of background actions like building programs and hacking stuff at the same time I'm operating a couple drones.

>>51278240
The concept of the character would be of a guy who works in an office where nobody knows he has adept powers. Acquire an illegal Otomo anthropoforme drone and outfit it to look like a human. Send the Otomo as a proxi to run with the party while his meat body is peacefully at his desk pretending to work like everyone else.

>>51278324
Nobody in the Sixth World goes by without being known as awakened. Schools test for magic potential so that they can be snatched up by Corps and Govts. If you were raised on the streets, being able to shoot fire is a way of protecting yourself, or you get recruited into a wiz gang.

Everyone will know the Otomo drone is a drone, device icons will fuck you over. If you're running silent 100% of the time, that's another bad sign.

>>51277775
>So the money on credstick isn't associated with a bank account or doesn't require a bank account at all?

Read the core book, page 442. It's cold hard cash. 100% anonymous and totally untraceable. It's popular with crooks such as shadowrunners for that very reason.

>>51274710
Go with the FBI.
They're the law, but the sort of criminal investigations they do tend to overlook runners in general because they aren't "big fish" type criminals, and it never hurts to have an in with the Federal government of the UCAS.
But mostly, because fuck Brakhaven.

You know how in SR you are rebelling against The Man but can't actually kill him?
Well Brakhaven is The Man and you CAN kill him because he's not a big enough fish for anyone to miss him too much after a year or two.

>>51275088, >>51275091
The low Essence problem affects your Social Limit so there is a mild disconnect to some degree.
That said, the penalty is not so severe that a good suit or having high Charisma can't fairly easily overcome it, so it's more like "if you're only as Charismatic as the average human being and have average to weak social skills will anyone notice the difference".

That said at below 1 Essence you are increasingly likely to suffer from cyberpsychosis or or superhuman delusions or any number of other mental problems.

>>51275127
Oh, you're running Splintered State.
Go work for Bull then; he's paying the least money but he's the most "good guy" of the options in addition to being an excellent ally, even if I really hate his writer.

>>51275290
A handful.
They all know each other and none of them get along, even when they DO get along, much like the dragons.

>>51278444
>Nobody in the Sixth World goes by without being known as awakened
Well the character was already supposed to work for a corp at game start so I guess that solves the issue also even though he is supposed to be awakened, having adept powers that only serves to let you max out a couple skills wouldn't pass as that much of a deal, right?

>Everyone will know the Otomo drone is a drone
Then what's the point of making a metahuman looking drone if anybody and their brother can figure out it's a drone with a quick scan?

Isn't there a way to camouflage the thing by giving it a fake icon through maxed out programming skills or fake sin?

>>51275347
About 700 years at the oldest actually.
Dwarves around 500.

>>51275442
More complex then that, but that's the gist of it; one Great Dragon (probably Ghostwalker) wanted to make a race of super-metahuman slaves.

It didn't work out so well for him.

>>51276976
Awhile ago (a few years) a significant number of people coincidentally had trips on as well to increase the similarities.

>>51277711
Digital currency transactions are in fact heavily tracked in real life.
Certified credsticks are basically the digital version of unmarked bearer bonds or bank notes in real life; they are worth a specific amount of money guranteed by a bank and they can be owned and used by anyone and don't leave a trail because in affect the bank is paying you the money directly.

It's more complicated then that in real life, but it's basically just economic shit.

>>51277775
>So the money on credstick isn't associated with a bank account or doesn't require a bank account at all?

Yup; the credstick is basically a computer wallet holding digital cash, issued by an existing bank.

Hoi chummers, got a couple questions for you, about riggers this time.

1. The core book has rules for implanted cyberdecks; can you do something similar with a RCC, implanting it in a cyberlimb or such?
2. If I wanted to be a shitlord and use noizquito(s), would my other drones take penalties (even if I'm not jacked in)?
3. Is it possible to put a noizquito type system in another drone? I kinda want my main combat drone to blast classic punk songs at 150db while tearing shit up.
4. Is there an accepted 'best' combat drone? I'm currently thinking of heavily pimping out a steel lynx, with a rotodrone as lighter backup/suppressing fire generator.

>>51278615
Adepts are less valuable then mages, but from the POV of a corp it's an employee with the capabilities of and augmented individual who have broader potential applications with those abilities and you don't even need to pay for the implants and upgrades; you just need to train them properly.

It's a pretty sound investment.

>>51278615
All Awakened are a big deal, even aspected magicians.

>Then what's the point of making a metahuman looking drone if anybody and their brother can figure out it's a drone with a quick scan?

Plenty of other reasons.

>>51278547
It's not really the augs that cause mental illness and social impediment when you get down to the really low essences. If you've got less than 1 essence, chances are that one or more of the following is true:
>you've experienced serious physical trauma that necessitated you get replacement cyberware
>you've witnessed and/or participated in numerous acts of violence
>either you were a violent sociopath or otherwise mentally ill before your implants entered the picture, or you were headed down that path as you picked up implants anyways
Point me to someone with less than 1 essence that tick off one of those boxes and I will eat a hat.

>>51278899
Sorry, that doesn't tick off one of those boxes.

>>51278836
Almost forgot.

5. Would participating in underground drone fights (like battlebots with live ammo) qualify for the Day Job quality?

>>51278899
Not sure if this is valid but, theres the rigger cyberdock from Shadowrun Returns; Hong Kong whos literally got more chrome than organic bits, and he's a cheery motherfucker.

>>51278990
>>51278899
Honestly the setting makes a way bigger deal of replacements and cybernetics than they are because of essence.
Most people do significantly better mental health wise after getting a prosthetic, and trauma that causes these maimings isn't nearly so bad on the mind as people say.

>>51278990
Huh. Well, was he very eccentric or out of touch with reality? Just because you're mentally doesn't mean you can't be a cheery fellow.

>>51279018
It's honestly kind of insulting, really.
Being through trauma or getting a new limb doesn't actually make you a crazy person.
The amount of soldiers who go through serious shit and don't get any kind of mental problems is higher than the amount that do.

>>51278874
>Plenty of other reasons.
Reasons such as?

Also the whole point of the Otomo being easy to detect kinda defeats it's whole purpose. There might be other purposes to uses the Otomo for but when we look at the canonical infos on the Akiyama which is a child version of the same drone, they clearly states that it is an infiltration and assassination drone made to look inconspicuous... whych would make no sense if there wasn't a way to mask it's icon signature

>>51279074
>such as
Think about it.

Why not? The entire reason it's inconspicuous is -because- it's a drone.

>>51279074
You have the drone run silent, but all it's gear run normally. You're still fucked if someone catches it's icon in the matrix, but otherwise it looks legit.

>>51279044
>The amount of soldiers who go through serious shit and don't get any kind of mental problems is higher than the amount that do.
True, but they're still at a much higher risk than the general population.

>>51279044
Repeat after me:
When it comes to cybernetics, in Shadowrun the fluff justifies the mechanics, not the other way around.

This is why you don't see strength/agility-enhancing power armor in the setting despite it making plenty of sense to exist. Otherwise there's really no point in not just tossing mages in one and going hog wild.

>>51279121
Which is still super low, though.

>>51279137
Which is why we should never try to apply real world logic to it.

>>51277682
>>51277705
I've decided to go with a Elf Ghoul super survivalist, mostly because it ties into some stuff that has happened in our in game universe.

What I'm debating now is whether or not I should make use of magic. I mean I'm already pretty built for being some kind of street sam, but there's already a magician and a mystic adept in the group. But I'll have next to no access to anything cyber. Do I just rely on great stats and maybe drugs then?

>>51279220
Betaware-Deltaware is what you need AFAIK. Anything else and your body rejects it.

>>51279028
No, at worst he was a bit dour when it came to his past, but due to circumstances i'd say thats "normal" after all he did get most of his body utterly WRECKED. And hell so long as you werent a complete dick waffle he'd still open up to you about it. All in all, he was chromed to the limit and a pretty damn good guy too.

>>51279220
>magician
>mystic adept
goddamn it is your worthless GM using street level rules?
go 6 mag or go home

>>51279310
I'm in the middle of building my character right now. Using Sum To Ten and am looking at

Meta:C
Stats:A
Magic:E
Skills:A
Resources:E

The resources is unfortunate but because of past things, my character starts with nothing. Also because skills are kind of restricted, I might get a chance to bump up my Meta so I can actually get some Edge or something. Although, since I think I just might not bother with magic, maybe I could bump up my resources...Food for thought I guess.

>>51279201
Exactly.

>>51279104
>>51279099
Well it it that much of a bad idea to use a drone as a proxi to run with the party or does the idea have potential?

>>51279468
yes, that is why I brought up it's kind of insulting when a guy tried to use real world logic on it up here.
>>51278899

>>51279442
There are quite a few restrictions put out for street level games we play.

Magic caps at 4 for starting characters, you can't pick skills that would require you to go to some kind of school to know, magic skills are capped, and resources are handled differently. Instead of flat cash, you get one "nice" item determined by you and the GM for each "rank" you have in the resources category, and in general you start off at a better point the higher you put in it.

ex: My character started with A in resources and he started off with a shopping cart with a sleeping bag, tarp, some cans of food, two liters of water, some spare clothes, a pack of smokes, and an alley he was renting from a local gang. Also a dog. my buddy who put Rank E started with nothing, and hadn't eaten in three days.

There's a lot of back and forth to figure out what you get, it's actually a lot of fun. I really enjoyed the last game we played.

>>51279527
It's not a very good idea when you're a rigger sitting in the van, let alone the vast distances you're thinking of.

>>51279565
>Magic caps at 4 for starting characters
that's ridiculous

>>51279565
>you can't pick skills that would require you to go to some kind of school to know,
Like what? You can get just about any skill with the Uneducated negative quality.

>>51279565
Also as far as "standing" went, my hobo was considered the "rich man" of hobos. He had a lot of contacts and was in good standing with almost everyone in the neighborhood. My buddy was just another face in the crowd.

>>51279639
Less about hard rules and more about interpretation. Our guys were come the streets/homeless so as a group we went through the list and decided what we could and couldn't have access to. Unless you spent one of your "nice things" on gaining access to that skill or something. One guy had a mishmashed comm that he used for hacking, so he could use the skill, and he would use it on things like venting machines, and things like that.

>>51279587
Not if you consider "balance" we were playing low low streets. Having a mage around totally imbalances any engagement, so we just lowered it so they wouldn't get out of hand as easy.

We made these rules in a bubble, and agreed on everyone beforehand. It may not work for everybody though.

>>51278990
Racter was pretty deluded about his current state. He was a psychopath to begin with, so the changes probably weren't as noticeable. He also only had a pair of cyberlegs as his main augs, and he still had at least one essence left if you actually check his profile. He was fooling himself into thinking he wasn't suffering from essence loss, because he was so fucked up to begin with it didn't change him much. Had he actually replaced even more of himself he would have suffered actual cyberpsychosis and essence death.

>>51279572
whats wrong with sitting in the van? what should I expect as drawbacks from doing this? I mean beside the distance

>>51279137
>When it comes to cybernetics, in Shadowrun the fluff justifies the mechanics, not the other way around.
It's just such a backwards way to write these things.

And then you have places where the lore is intentionally sparse because given the rest of the setting the writers couldn't think of lore that could justify the mechanics in place. Things like ownership rules and withdrawing from credit accounts, for example, basically need plot armor to keep the PCs from just stealing equipment and passwords for more nuyen than they would make shadowrunning.

>>51279587
>Magic caps at 4 for starting characters
>that's ridiculous
Not him, but without that kind of restriction, the default street level chargen makes awakened even stronger than usual because starting money and availability aren't as important to them.

>>51279756
>Racter.

Dude, im talking about Ambrose.

>>51279767
meter maids.

>>51279822
I roll to seduce the meter maid

>>51279783
Ambrose rigs into his equipment though, he's a quadruple amputee but he doesn't have a huge amount of chrome actually IN his body.

>>51279863
Which is still dumb as fuck. See >>51279137
>>51279560

>>51279936
I mean, it's the same basic idea as you not instantly dying of essence loss when you drive a car or jack into the matrix.

>>51279863
I am FAIRLY certain you are wrong on that, and imma put my money where my mouth is, brb while i boot up the game and rush a character to the point where he talks about it.

>>51279975
I'm probably wrong about having "not a huge amount", but still not enough that he should be dead or crazy. He doesn't have ANY cyberlimbs actually attached to his body iirc.

>>51274952
You honestly think that a Dragon would let the lunatics of the SMC be the tail wagging the dog in Aztech?

>>51277102
Jackpoint is dogshit compared to Shadowlands

>>51280003
Maybe im being nitpicky and autistic here, but the post about cybernetic replacement stuff for injuries, that being >>51278899 never specified limbs. And afaik, limb replacement isn't a requirement for cyberpsychosis or similar. a guy rockin' dermal armor, wired reflexes and muscle replacement. Goes just as crazy just as often as the 4x limb replaced motherfucker with the bitchin' cybereyes and whatever headware he could cram in there.

TL;DR Im fairly certain the only requirement for being negatively affected mentally by extensive cybernetics is the essence loss and not the type of augmentation.

>>51280097
I know, but my point is that he barely has enough body to get low enough essence. I don't think Ambrose "should" be suffering cyberpsychosis, because his essence probably isn't *that* low. He's stuffed full of ware, but really if you tally it all up it's not that bad. Losing limbs in accidents doesn't lower your essence so long as you don't replace them with limbs with more functionality than your originals, iirc.

>>51280142
I wasn't aware that damage to the body capped your essence. Like, really, have i missed a blurb somewhere in a rulebook?

>>51280178
It doesn't, I'm just saying that he still has a normal person's essence, but less body to actually lower it with. Does that make sense?

>>51280142
his essence is so low he literally cannot fit any more in or else he would have legs you cunt.

>>51278444
>Nobody in the Sixth World goes by without being known as awakened.

This is bullshit. Plenty of people don't even go to school, since they aint got not SINs to get thought the door with. And even if you went to Snobhaven Academy for kids with uber rich parents, you could just have a mana ebb in your ancestral family home, and your powers never showed up despite the best testing in the world.

>>51280192
While that is true, and >>51280220 is being an asshole. Point still stands, he's so cybered up he >literally< cant fit anything more in there. This, by his own admission.

>>51279756
He was a functioning sociopath, not psychopath.
But yeah; he'd die if he got anymore ware just like anyone else. Just because he's from a formerly Communist nation and doesn't believe in spirits or magical shit doesn't mean he gets to ignore how his universe works.

>>51280339
Doesn't he outright call himself a psychopath? Though undiagnosed.

But yeah, he's almost a sad character. He's so dead set on the world being a way that it just isn't and he's probably going to kill himself over it. He just seems like he would thrive in any other cyberpunk universe, but instead he gets stuck in one that fundamentally shits on his beliefs and hopes.

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>>51277856
>Now that's just asking for one of the PCs to go full Captain Ahab on one of the runners.

TO THE LAST, I GRAPPLEHOOK WITH THEE, FROM MINE HOME OFFICE I STAB AT THEE, FOR HATE'S SAKE I SPIT MY LAST MAG AT THEE

why should I not do this again?

>>51280387
Not the guy you were replying to. But Racter seems almost too smart to behave the way he does, like a lot of his dialogue on missions has him displaying a pretty impressive level of technical, scientific, and even general knowledge. The more you talk to him though, the more he seems to double down on his uh... "vision" and it gets... Pretty creepy towards the end.

>>51279756
>a pair of cyberlegs
The guy was cut clean in half, which is more than losing his legs. A lot of his digestive and urinary tract are gone, along with his dong.

Racter probably has a colostomy bag senpai.

>>51280450
He has genuine mental disabillities, and I'm sure having some amount of cyberpsychosis doesn't help. He's sharp, but it doesn't change the fact his brain just doesn't quite work right. Hell, he might have private misgivings about it, but suppresses them because his vision is the only thing keeping him going at his.

>>51280476
Maybe his lower body runs on his own waste matter? Seems like something he would do.

>>51279863
Actually he said he does; he has a shitload of neural augmentations and headware in his body as opposed to big cyberware.
The again how much if ANY of what he tells you about himself is true is an open question.

>>51280476
He says, almost to a word. "Everything below mid-pelvis was severed" even does a hand gesture down there too iirc.

>>51280508
Im sure if i had the "academic" etiquette when i talked to him, i'd see things differently. IMHO he's one of the best characters out of the party, along with Gaichu. And in Hong Kong in general.

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Been a while, but anyone else remember this thread?

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>>51280545
Was getting my shadowrun PDFs downloaded and I saw this in my old files.

Gave me a good chuckle.

>>51280387
He's wrong; he fits none of the mental characteristics of clinical psychopathy, most common of which by far is a lack of emotional self-control.

It's probably just the writers not understanding the terminology, which is fairly common as there's a wide level of variety in Axis Personality Disorders.

>>51280543
Basically, if you have the academic etiquette you can more easily poke holes in his philosophy. He generally waves them away with "Agree to disagree" style stuff, but it's decently clear he's got some problems.


I agree about him being one of the best characters. He's really interesting, and has a different outlook than most of the setting. He's seriously flawed, but that just makes him a better character.

>>51280543
>below mid-pelvis
Well I flunked at biology but I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of important stuff below the midway of the pelvis.

>>51280594
The bottom of your colon, the better part of your bladdar, your sex organs, and a few other odds and ends. It's not a huge amount, but it's certainly not pleasant. He would have to have all of his waste disposal bits remade or circumvented. And he would have no dick.

>>51280543
Gaichu is awesome, because he's an excellent example of how change can make someone a better person but not a NICER one.
He's just as Honor-bound and strict and focused on attaining absolute superiority was he was before, but now he has zero delusions about automatically being superior just for being human.

>"You LIED to me. I was not superior because I was Red Samurai! I was Red Samurai because I was SUPERIOR!"

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>>51279756
>Had he actually replaced even more of himself he would have suffered actual cyberpsychosis and essence death.
And he would like it that way.

>>51280612
>And he would have no dick.

This ofcourse, being the crux of this whole issue. Genital mutilation is srs bznz after all.

>>51280617
Seriously though i wish you could have set up a one on one HMHVV death match on the roof of that building. Just Gaichu versus you-know-who.

>>51280638
>Seriously though i wish you could have set up a one on one HMHVV death match on the roof of that building. Just Gaichu versus you-know-who.

I liked that quest as is honestly.
It's whole execution is hilarious and seems a clear subversion of usual "vampire manipulator" storytelling.

Your incredibly shitty bald-faced lie to get Gaichu into the party is amazing.

>>51280680
I always spare her, she's just too hapless to kill.

>>51280680
The part in shadows of hong kong where Gaichu remarks on the fact that you've been able to get him into literally >everywhere< with no fuzz so far is gold.

>>51280680
Its hilarious to just bring the ghoul samurai everywhere with you and excuse his presence with ridiculous falsehoods

But for the Party which did you like better? Saying he was simply a dude in extensive makeup or getting offended because he is a personal friend of the actress that is 'supposedly' campaigning for the wellbeing of people affected by this tragedy and you are disgusted at his display of bigotry regarding her friend's condition.

>>51280628
Honestly though, the only post-human future is the one where the dragons realize it's more efficient to just kill all of us and replace us with drones.

>>51280744
Okay, I feel like an idiot but where do you recruit Gaichu? I got a couple runs past that mission and still haven't bumped into him.

>>51280754
>implying
a single goofy ai with a big ego and something to prove is enough to bring a dragon to its knees

Dragons are already on the way out (Good riddance) and most of them know that.

>>51280793
Actual question, do AIs or other truly sentient machines have essence? I don't remember.

>>51280793
>Dragons are already on the way out.

Source? No, seriously, im curious about that one.

>>51280769
He is in a mission about a serial killer

>>51280839
Son of a bitch. I kept putting that one off. Well, I guess I a bunch of oppurtunities then. Guess I'll start a new character. Maybe try to actually finish the game this time.

>>51280793
>>51280754
Dragons and the "Horrors" are some of the worst parts of the fluff, you could excise the Horrors meta-threat and dial back the dragons a tad without losing anything important to the setting. Harlequin just sux in general.

>>51280874
I agree. The Horror especially just seem really forced and weird. Metaplot like that just doesn't fit. I guess the idea is to have plot hooks for super-prime runners, but it's just weird.

>>51280706
Me too. Handy to have as an ally too.
Kinda cute too, actually.
>>51280709
Gaichu wasn't a people person even before he was a person who ate people.
>>51280744
I did the makeup one.
>"Chop-Chop Kitchen. It's an ultraviolent cooking show where a ghoul chef prepares food but also butchers the chefs who cause problems."
>Gaichu: "But only the REALLY bad ones. I have a code, after all."

>>51280983
Gaichu in general was great.
Makes me kind of sad to think about Gobbet in comparison though, i wanted to like her, i kinda do, but i feel like the game didn't give me a whole lotta oppertunities to do so. Though having her and Gaichu in the party for 90% of the game provided some top tier lulz.

>>51280832
They aren't.
They have low birthrates, but don't very often get killed either since they're pretty cautious almost as a rule.
>>51280874
I'm fine with the dragons as they are only overemphasized by /srg/, as all major setting a plot point changes have happened as a result of things megacorps have done, not dragons.
Horrors are at best a background element, a sort of "here thar be demons" in the Sixth World emphasing that there is much metahumanity does not know.
Even on the "escalated timeline" that some of Aztlan's guys have caused it'd still be centuries before they arrived, with Senior Oscuro's plan being the one time they could have bypassed all that.

>>51281017
I like schooling her about her world view through her side quests honestly.

>>51281119
I want to like her, a lot but theres just something missing, had the same problem with Is0bel though in that case i just flat out couldn't connect. Also again in regards to Gobbet im still on the fence as to wether Duncans response to your jest about her clams in shadows of hong kong implies you've been porkin' her.

>>51281182
>as to wether Duncans response to your jest about her clams in shadows of hong kong implies you've been porkin' her.
What?

>>51281196
'Porking' is slang meaning 'having sex with'.

>>51281227
No you faggot, what was the line of dialogue, never noticed something like that myself.

>>51281307
I can tell you, soon as im done shooting up the HKPF. She makes food at some point, but i cant remember if it's right after, or after you get onto the ship.

Alright /srg/ every once in a while I get the idea to make a character, and I KNOW its a bad idea, but won't be able to stop thinking about it until I make him (And make him well).

So, the idea is a guy who's taken a werewolf theme to heart.

I'll say it right now, I'm NOT looking to play an infected, even if there are Loup-Garou available.

My main focuses for this character is going to be being hunting down 'prey', in the sense of priority targets, so I'm going to need to focus heavily on either stealth, speed, or both (Luckily, Sneaking is an AGI skill).

However, I'm not sure how to actually build him. I'm tempted to go full cyber, and get a lot of thematic body mods, but I KNOW how people on /srg/ view cyber. The other option is going magic of some kind (Probably adept, unlikely mystic adept because I suck particularly hard at making them), but, beyond having a wolf mentor spirit, and some probably thematic tattoos or some shit, I won't be able to visually play up the imagery.

Has anyone else made anyone/anything like this?

>>51280142
I think we are overlooking a huge fact. Having meaningful relationships can keep cyberphycosis at bay and he is friends with everyone. So he still can have low essence but not be crazy like Rackter.

Can you not use the Junkyard Jaw in combat? I can't see anything about it being able to do damage in Chrome Flesh, but yet it's strong enough to bite through metal... I mean, I get the idea that it's supposed to be used for intimidation, but if I bite someone's arm, I'm expecting to bit THROUGH someone's arm.

>>51281584
A cyber/bio adept might be a good call, or maybe a Bio/Cyber-sorcerer. Someone with fuck high AGI stat, a big Assensing pool to detect dangers (Cyberware, Bioware, dirty Technos), who stalks with Improved Invisibility and Stealth. Then combat starts and you initiate combat by murdering their mage with a Shotgun Burst Fire to the back.

Out of combat, you can physically infiltrate because of your huge stealth pool. Obtain a good palming and lockpicking skill. Then grab some breaking and entering gear.

>>51281755
theres a statline for it in chrome flesh to be used as a weapon. look again

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>>51281755
>I can't see anything about it being able to do damage in Chrome Flesh,

Page 91, literally the same page as the entry for the junkyard jaw.

>>51281781
>>51281775

Alright, that was me being a dumbfuck. My bad.

What's the bare minimum RCC I need to get as a vehicle rigger? Is the Radioshack enough?

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On a scale of 10 to goddamn-reddit-why-are-you-so-whiny, how high would you rate having the ability to print directly to PDF in Chummer instead of using a third-party service?

>>51281886
None, unless you plan on sharing Autosofts with your Vehicle.

>>51281924
All I was interested in was getting VR hotsim initiative.

>>51281940
are you sure you're not mixing up the rcc and the control rig?

>>51281923
Very highly.

>>51281699
He also maybe has a son.

>>51281955
I might have. Sorry, a little new to the whole rigging thing as I think you realize.

>>51281923

I would rate that about as highly as Lofwyr thinks of himself.

>>51281307
Just cleared the whole of shadows of hong kong. Couldn't fucking find it. Heres what i remember of the exchange. You talk with Duncan in his cabin after he's eaten some food gobbets made, and he remarks on how it's given him a case of upset stomach, one of the dialogue options you can choose is something along the lines of. "Yeah no kidding, did she offer you a clam?" To which he retorts something along the lines of "Nah, you're the one whos been frequenting her bunk, not me."

Goddamnit now im gonna have to play the whole fucking game through again to find it.

>>51281923
Will you ever actually fix Chummer 5's references to 'Commlinks' for things like VR initiative?

>>51281984
alright then

the rcc is used to share autosofts and command multiple drones at once. you can also do the same with vehicles if you really want to

you can give orders to vehicles and drones in ar intiative (if youre in ar when using the rcc), but they dont get to act until its their turn

the control rig is what you use to jump into a vehicle/drone and control it as though it were your own body. you act at vr initiative when jumped into a vehicle, with hotsim providing bigger bonuses at the risk of taking more feedback when your ride gets damaged

rcc and control rigs are expensive, so most riggers at chargen go for one or the other

>>51282069
Yeah, I went for the control rig. Thanks for clearing it up.

>>51281961
>>51281992
Bleahhhh. Traitorous quislings, the lot of you. Is there a particular reason for that? Just portability?
>>51282041
Give me an example of where it's used.

>>51282104
>Give me an example of where it's used.
'Active commlink' for one.
Hovering over Matrix initiative for another.

>>51282104

Strictly Convenience.

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>Players get into car chase
>Players shooting out windows
>Decker tries mark the enemy vehicle during this whole process
>Trying to keep track of normal shooting rules, chase combat rules, and decking rules at the same time
>Jumping between the core book, Data Trails, Rigger 5.0, and Gun Havens at the table in real time trying to keep track of all the gear my players have on their shit and what they do for the dice pools
>I want to fucking die

I really want to love Shadowrun more than I do but it's been two years of trying to run this system effectively and there are just so many goddamn rules and I have come to the realization that I will never be able to manage all of them.

This is the densest rulset I have ever had to navigate in fifteen years of running games how the fuck do you guys do it.

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>>51282297

I won't lie: Painful amounts of Memorization.

If you want some help, figure out what's (probably) going to happen ahead of time, and then get some charts made up for quick reference.

Here, have one for decking.

>>51277437
Your DM is deliberately assassinating your characters, and you're just sitting there wondering how best to take his punches? Are you that intimidated by him?

Man up, drag him over, and tell him to cut it out. If he won't, get the rest of your group to fire him. In the worst case scenario that they're on his side, leave. It'll suck, but not as much as playing against the house.

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>when you realize you can put a drone rack on a larger drone

>>51282486

Name it the Suriname

>>51282111
Oh. Yeah, that's fixable, sure. I should be able to squeak it in to the next release build, worst case it'd be a nightly. Technically there's no reason a commlink can't provide VR initiative if it has a SIM module, but I can filter that easily enough.
>>51282486
This opens a lot of potential for Kancolle-esque aircraft carriers with an AI pilot.

>>51282513
>>51282567
I'm not sure if I'm going to go with that setup, but it does open up a lot of possibilities. How big would a drone have to be to have a couple medium-drone landing racks? Because a big VTOL drone that deploys some rotodrones might be neat.

Also, is installing a flash-pak or two on a rotodrone a good idea? Might help make up for their subpar armor by blinding motherfuckers who try to shoot them.

>Redliner

Alright, so, I remember there was a debate before, but, I wasn't there to see it end, and I couldn't find it in the archives.

I think the two biggest points were

>Redliner allows a cyberlimb to go to a metatype's augmented maximum, meaning a human could have a 10 strength cyberlimb

And

>Cyberlimbs are not bound to Augmented Maximums, since they have their own stats, rather than using the Metatype's stats, meaning a human could go up to rating 11 cyberlimbs with Redliner

How did this end? I think case 2 had the stronger argument (Especially since -6 to your physical condition monitor is a HEFTY price to pay), but I could see the value of having cyberlimbs that go up to 10 in their stats.

>>51282901
1. Redliner boosts a cyberlimbs stats, and cyberlimbs are subject to augmented maximum.

2. Redliner does not explicitly change the game rules.

>>51282961
>Redliner boosts a cyberlimbs stats
Should probably point out we have word of writer on this via the official forums. IIRC they said both natural and cyberlimb.

>>51282979

Didn't know about the Natural stats bit. Okay, that seems to help make up for the kneecapping to one's physical HP. thanks.

>>51282979
We'll see if it survives into provisional errata.
The real value in boosting your flesh attributes is that the boost to your physical limit.

Striking Callus adds +1 damage for Unarmed Combat per pair. Description says 'added to a user's hands or feet' but could they be added elsewhere? Striking with elbows/knees? Or would the changes in skin to those areas affect mobility? I recognize this is munchkin-y.

>>51283087
I cap it out at 4 total Striking Calluses, or 2 if my player doesn't have any intentions of ever actually kicking a dude. If your runner is a martial artist designed around clinching and subdual combat, then there could an argument made for more on the knees or elbows.. But then you actually have to make a reasonable argument that you are using the martial art for the bonus damage.

Okay, so my runners are fairly noobish, except for the mage who is wrecking everything.
I've already decided I want them to fight a toxic mage next session, so background counts will obviously help keep them in check.
However, I'm not sure how big the group fighting them should be. I know I want a radiation mage, a mutation adept, and at least one bound nuclear spirit. (I also plan on the mage fully healing himself via dm fiat and channeling a force 5ish atom spirit once he's sufficiently injured.)
Anyway, I was wondering if that was enough to threaten the players, or should I have more? Perhaps add some weird mutant rats? Also, what forces should the bound and channeled atom spirits be?

>>51283866

First, figure out the average AP availability of the party. with a force 5 spirit, they'll have 10 immunity to Normal weapons. Not too hard to do if they've got APDS rounds, but if they're all running sub machine guns, getting to do that much damage is going to be hard, and it will eventually just turn to the party doing nothing and letting the mage do all the work.

Also, throw in Mana barriers here and there. This will hinder the mage, but the newbies can move and shoot right through them with no hindrances, which makes them feel more useful.

You could DM fiat that the Radiation spirits have an Allergy to Lead bullets (Like, not just the normal amounts that you find in bullets, but high concentration lead) to give them some ammo that will make them feel like badasses shredding the spirit.

Giving them mutant rats is definitely a good idea to give fodder to shoot at, for the record.

>>51278784
So... in theory a Technomancer could simply refill the credstick any time he wants?

>>51284054
So could a decker, but you'd have to hack a bank to do it

>>51284174

Not him: But why? Why can't you hack it into thinking it received a 10k nuyen transfer from a bank?

>>51284054
If he could hack the Zurich-Orbital or any of the other major banking companies and find his single account file, sure. Deckers too actually.
If you mean hack the credstick itself, then no, not anymore then you could "hack" a flash drive; it just stores existing information from other systems, if doesn't have anything on it's own.

>>51284174
>>51284233
So, it's basically a debit card, with the account having a max it can hold.

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>>51284054
Kiiiiind of. You can hack the commlink to display whatever value you want, but all purchases are routed out to the Z-O banking system, which has a true and trusted record of all transactions. Shadowrun's economics start to make a lot more sense if you pretend that they predicted bitcoins.


Unrelated, but I've added a proof-of-concept print-to-pdf in the latest nightly. If you all get a chance, could you test it out and see if anything weird happens?

>>51284228
A credstick is basically just a really specific flash drive; there's nothing to hack; when there's no money on it you can't "increase" it's "money counter" number because there's no such thing.
What it needs is a computerized file from the bank in question that says "this is how much money this credstick has now", and if there's no file it's basically just an empty piece of computerized memory.

>>51284259
aren't bitcoins supposed to be decentralized?
>>51284284
>What it needs is a computerized file from the bank in question that says "this is how much money this credstick has now", and if there's no file it's basically just an empty piece of computerized memory.
Why can't you fake the file tho?

>>51284248
Pretty much exactly a debit card.
A certified credstick is more like a flash drive that can only hold one very specific kind of file, which is why it's untraceable: the money is withdrawn and then put into the flash drive and then put into another account and the only record of transaction is the person that touched the certified credstick personally.

>>51282297
After 2 years your players haven't learned how to run their own fucking characters? You're building a story and running every single npc, at this point the hardest mechanical decisions you should be making is if you want to throw 6, 9, 12, or 15 dice as an opposing roll, and counting the boxes you need to move the damage tokens on your boards. Just gut check the penalties and keep the game moving, or that combat you described is going to take 2 full sessions. Just make shit up man, try to be consistent, but keep in mind that there are 0 people having fun while you're spending time staring at their sheets or digging through the books.

>>51284298
>Why can't you fake the file tho?
Because you don't know how the file works in this metaphor; the file format itself is in the bank (usually Zurich-Orbital) and while the file's CONTENTS are known and read by the credstick.

Do you want a long-winded explanation that kinda sorta makes sense?

>>51277711
nigga, are you retarded?

So, I'm kinda new to the whole chummer thing. I saw Yekka post that there's a new Nightly update (if I have that right, still Lurking), but when i try to download an update using chummer, it kinda just... sits there.

Do I need to download the new chummer from the OP every night? or is there something I'm missing?

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>>51284259
Seems to work.

>>51284410
You have to manually downloda the updates if you want them, the update button is a hangover from 4e's Chummer

>>51284459
Also I just realized wired reflexes 2+reaction 3 is a total waste on a dwarf so uh, guess there's some extra cash and essence to toss around.

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>>51284410
I've had complaints from some people that the update mechanism is kinda janky. In the background, it should be copying the latest release to a temp folder (%temp% by default), backing up your current folder, and dumping the new files in there . I'm going to have to take a look at what's going on with it, but I've never been able to replicate the problem. If you find that it's not working for now your best bet is just to check back in every few days and download the newest release.
>>51284464
Hm? No, it should be working.

>>51284505
>going fast
>a waste

>>51284518

Well, I didn't leave it running for too, long. maybe a minute. How long might an Update take, so I know a good baseline for 'this is taking too long'?

>>51284298
>Why can't you fake the file tho?
Okay, let's try this metaphor.
I want you to go try and download a flash player program for a phone made in 2004. Of course you cannot do this because the phone was never equipped with the protocols necessary to "understand" the Flash Player even if the phone actually had enough memory to hold the program.

The program needed to certify the credits as "legitimate" is inside a certified credstick. No computers can read the program because none of them are equipped with the ability to read it. Even technomancers can't because it's not a Node or Grid or whatever; it's basically just an empty box with a single hardwired program into it.
The actual location of the details of the operating code that translates the data from "numerical gibberish" into "Nuyen" is inside the bank that issued the credstick and certifies it, in affect a sort of "master key" that unlocks every credstick there is and tells it "translate thus information into nuyen". To read and understand the encrypted information you NEED this hardwired key, which is manufactured directly into the credstick and pre-programmed into it the way the screen on your cellphone is hardwired to receive and understand text messages and display the information on your screen.

>>51284518
>Hm? No, it should be working.
This is news to me.

When I load up some of my older characters in the new version of chummer, it says they have an unknown book enabled. How do I fix this?

>>51284519
Their augmented max for reaction is 9, so if I have reaction at 5 already I can just dump WR a little and have that for an arm of god.

>>51284535
Once the green bar fills up, restart chummer and you should be on the new build.

>>51284350
>>51284555
Even if that does keep it away from players, figuring out how the file format works would probably be a top priority for most megacorps tho, as well as any moderately unethical nation state. This goes double for anyone that uses their own currency, such as the azzies, cuz if the nuyen became hyperinflated it'd fuck over everyone who has the misfortune to use it, whereas the azzies wouldn't care cuz they use the peso. And while players may not have the resources to figure out how a credstick works, you bet your fucking ass Aztechnology has the budget to do so.
When you get down to it, the nuyen being impossible to counterfeit just doesn't make any sense.

>>51284674

Same guy as >>51284410

Turns out, closing the window when it was updating isn't a good idea. Corrupted... something, but that wasn't a big deal, I just deleted all the files except the Zip, re-extracted it, opened it, etc.

Then I went to tools, Check for updates, and then download. It went pretty fast this time, asked to restart, but then, when I tried to open my character, it said, quote

"This Save File was created in a later version of chummer (5.189.45) than your current version of Chummer (5.189.0.0)."

Then it talks about the file not loading properly, but: Did it update me to an OLDER version of chummer, rather than a newer one?

>>51282297
>how the fuck do you guys do it.

My group doesn't. We struggle enough with just the meatspace rules. Not even hacking or magic. My GM won't even look at the barriers rules. Last time we tried SR5 we had a technomancer and had to quit the system after two sessions. In the GM's own words, the system felt like it was fighting him every step of the way.

Now he wants to bring back the hacking, but I think he's a masochistic fool who just wants the ability to screw us with the matrix because he thinks I won't drop my PC to roll up a good decker.

I don't know why we went from the relative elegance and simplicity of dnd 5e to this flaming train-wreck of a ruleset. I really don't.

>>51284687
>When you get down to it, the nuyen being impossible to counterfeit just doesn't make any sense.
The economy of shadowrun has plot armor so the PCs stick to shadowrunning instead of theft or counterfeiting.

>>51284667
Its probably better to keep WR and drop the Reaction Enhancers by 1, that way you're not losing a die of initiative at the same time. Also
"Wireless: Reaction enhancers are compatible with a wireless wired reflexes system, and the total bonus Reaction from the two augmentations can be above +4 if both systems have wireless activated."

>>51284751
>the total bonus Reaction from the two augmentations can be above +4
yes I know
what I'm saying is that the augmented max is still 9 and that if it's +5 it doesn't matter

>>51284724
>The economy of shadowrun has plot armor so the PCs stick to shadowrunning instead of theft or counterfeiting.
Counterfitting is a great way to create runs tho. Like, can you imagine the amount of effort the azzies would put into guarding their methods for forging the nuyen? Can you imagine the potential payout if you could steal it? Even if you were too scared of the CC to start making nuyen yourself, any of the megacorps would pay through the nose to get their hands on it. And I literally thought of this in just five seconds, I assume there's more run ideas in there if you wanted to think harder about it.

>>51284776

Not that guy, but, you forget that "Augmented maximum is +4 from your current attribute" not "+4 from your racial maximum"

WR+Reaction Enhancers explicitly are saying that they can bypass the augmented maximum rule with the wireless bonus.

Welp, decided I wanna use the street name Midas, now I need to figure out what role to fit it to. I mean it could be a mage of some sort, but it could just be a dude with a gold plated cyberarm or something

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>>51284665
Can you send me the file? I thought I'd fixed that.
>>51284715
Does it say DEBUG BUILD at the end of the version string? If not, you're on the stable build. Make sure your options are set to Prefer Nightly Builds.

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Trying to make a rigger with a few god-drones, am I doing this right?

Would it be better to dump the Lynx for a second identical rotodrone, freeing up some nuyen and expanding my lifestyle a bit? I think I've got most everything covered.

>>51284827

It didn't say debug build. I didn't realize there was a 'nightly build' option I needed to check. Everything seems to be working out now.

What's better for a Adept Decker, Combat sense or Magic armor?

>>51284826
Hes an Adept or Mage with a goldish Cyberhand. He was on the bad end of a fight with some Ancients, and a grenade blew his hand to shreds. He had it replaced with a distinctive gold hand (for whatever reason you'd like) and decided to chrome up a little. Gives you some room to play with ware, as well as roleplaying options for becoming a Burnout, and the internal conflict that could result. "Just one more piece of 'ware"

>>51284930
Combat sense for sure. Mystic Armor is overpriced for what it gives you.

>>51284930
Always combat sense. Avoidance > soak for most adepts, and the bonus perception stuff is icing.

>>51284882
One of these days, I'm going to get around to doing an initial walkthrough of Chummer for this stuff, or get that complex action guy to do a video on it. Glad to hear it's working now!

>>51284970
"In Shadowrun 5e, you're going to want to use and update Chummer5"
And now I got that fucking music stuck in my head, thanks yekka.

>>51284992
>*stick-figure troll waves*

>>51284259

I'm the guy new to Chummer: Where exactly do I 'print to PDF'? I have the CutePDF writer thing, but I don't see anything new to 'print to pdf'

>>51285034

Note: I just double checked, I AM updated to the latest nightly of 5.189.46

>>51274710
Why is Brackhaven showing up to meet with Runners anywhere? That man should be operating from behind miles of deniable assets since anything he has to hire runners for could probably damage his reputation and get him pushed out of office if it's proven by something as simple as, say, a runner's cybereye footage being leaked.

>>51284827
Where should I upload it?

>>51284970
What complex action guy?

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>>51281584


Alright, I just finished with this Dumpster fire of a character. Out of curiosity, feel free to rip it to shreds.

Gave him a lot of good cyberwear, though missing a lot of capacity that could, theoretically, be filled in later with money from jobs, but, eh, he can sprint at 40 MPH, hit like a truck, and... eh, what the hell.

Help me /srg/, I have been looking at the addiction rules on p 414, and the bit where it says "every time you use an addictive substance during (11 -- addiction rating) weeks in a row, you need to make an addiction test" ain't making a goddamn lick of sense to me.

This seems to imply that the higher the addiction rating, the less time you have to wait before it no longer requires another addiction test.

Am I the Downs?

>>51285327

The first time you take a drug, you have (11-Addiction rating) weeks before you have to make an addiction test.

So: Jazz has an addiction Rating of 8, and a threshold of 3.

So, When you take a hit of Jazz you have to make an addiction test in (11-8=2) weeks, and hit a threshold of 3.

But, if you don't do any jazz for a week, that threshold drops down by 1. Skip both weeks, then you only need to hit a threshold of 1. But, if you do jazz every week, then after 2 weeks, you need 3 successes to avoid getting addicted.

But, let's instead look at Cram, the Poor Man's Jazz. Cram has an addiction rating of 4, and a threshold of 3.

So, when you first take cram, in (11-4=5) weeks, you have to make a threshold of 3. But, for every week you skip without doing cram, that threshold goes down by 1, so if you stay clean for 3 straight weeks, the threshold drops to 0, and you're clean. No addiction.

However, if you were to do Cram for 2 weeks, skip 2 weeks, and then do some more cram, you're at the 5th week now, and since you did cram in the last week, the threshold went back to 3, so you need to get all 3 successes.

That still clear as mud?

>>51285435

I have no idea how I fucked up 11-4. that equals 7, not 5. But, the point remains, 7 weeks, and any time you did cram, the Threshold timer resets to 3, unless you go 3 full weeks clean, before you have to make your addiction test.

>>51285435
By far an improvement to my understanding, thanks!

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>>51284992
Actually I found this, which isn't too bad. Super outdated though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzUvtpfOx6Y
>>51285260
file.io or nya.is or pomf.cat, wherever. Or email it to me at [email protected].
>>51285277
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKo7Y8q3ZVpGSyl5X-Hr7Kw
>>51285034
There should be a Save as PDF button when you click the Print button.

>>51284821
oh okay then
forget the arm of god, gotta go fast forever

Post cute shadowrun girls

>>51282297
"I'm not very good at GMing" t. you

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>>51285723

>>51282297
>car chase
>not just blasting eurobeat and hurling dice at the players until they give in

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>>51285723

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>>51284808
>great way to create runs tho
The GM can always use his powers to make it possible as he desires. The reason there isn't anything in the rules for it is to keep players from being distracted by the prospect of unlimited free money when the GM has different plans in mind.

>>51285549
nya? pomf? what are you some kind of weeb?

>>51284941
Sounds fun. Actually, can TMs use machine sprites to boost cyberlimb punches?

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>>51285893
yes

>>51285921
kill me

>>51285894
>can TMs use machine sprites to boost cyberlimb punches?
that's a good question
that's a question that's inspired arguments
i wouldn't ask it if i were you

>>51285994
Too late for that, m'dear.

Whats a good amount of nuyen for a job that's just murdering the staff of a research lab? Like no one left a live type of shit.

>>51285951
>being in denial of your weeabooness on 4chan
You know the proper way is to commit sudoku.

>>51286040
Core book, 371-372. Compare it to the details of the run.

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>>51285287

> Agility: 1 (7)

10/10 Build of the year

I'm creating a character for a 5e game and my GM said we get one rank in Computer and Pilot: Ground for free at chargen. Is there any way to reflect that in Chummer?

>>51286451
Don't know if there's an actual workaround, but you could wait until you get into Career Mode and then add in the karma for the free points and add them then? In the note on the karma, make a point to say what it's for and make sure your GM understands.

>>51286503
Thanks mang.

>>51285893
Define 'free'. Is it a dicepool bonus, or does it increase your rating?

Also, that's what the entire damned skill system is for in the first place. It's perfectly fine for someone to have never learned to drive, especially if they've lived in the city all their life. Fgsfds.

>>51279770
>Not him, but without that kind of restriction, the default street level chargen makes awakened even stronger than usual because starting money and availability aren't as important to them.
That's why you don't do Street Level rules without using Street Scum / Sum To 6.

>>51286631
>It's perfectly fine for someone to have never learned to drive, especially if they've lived in the city all their life. Fgsfds.
Doubly so if they've used self-driving cars their whole lives.

I think the GM just doesn't have a great grasp on the setting yet.

So what would be the best combat knife sized melee weapon i could get my hands on at char-gen?

>>51286815
Survival Knife

>>51284054
>>51284174
The problem with trying to fill a credstick is that you not only have to use existing digital currency to do it, but it has to be currency assigned for use by the credstick's certifying bank as certified currency.

The most common and simplest method for getting value out of forging currency on certified credsticks is to create two identical credsticks. You give someone who WON'T spend or move the nuyen the credstick in exchange for something else, then after you get your thing, you spend/transfer the credstick you kept, making all the data on the credstick you traded/gambled/whatever invalid.

>>51286815

The combat knife.

>>51286631
When making an Infected character, Chummer doesn't subtract the Essence cost (1) when applying the Quality.

Is upping my Control Rig from 1 to 2 worth doing for a boot rigger, or should I use the cash for more drones? That's a lot of cash that I can turn into more and more varied rotodrones

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>>51287349

If you've found a solid gap in your drone coverage, I'd go for the drones.

Control Rig otherwise.

>>51286842
>>51286883
Thank you, grabbing both, making the combat knife my foci though. (Working on a MysAdept infiltrator, yeah it's me from a bajillion threads back.) Speaking of infiltration, apart from a sensor suite, what else do i cram into my chameleon suit?

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>>51287438

Thermal Dampening, so you don't get picked up by heat sensors.

>>51287438

Yeah, you should get both, they're super cheap. Also, peep the Cougar Fineblades from Run and Gun. They have Accuracy 7, so they can benefit more from your magically-boosted dice pools than the stock-standard knives.

>>51287625
Sensor and... I guess a rank three thermal dampening? 's all the space the chameleon suits got after all. Any idea of how high the sensor suite rating needs to be? Unsure of how many of the options are worth it.

>>51287636
So far the gameplan is to use spells + some adept powers to be as sneaky as possible, then stab the shit out anything i get close to, aswell as bringing a surpressed SMG or a crossbow or somethin' incase i >have< to engage at range, which, im sure i will have to at one point as im pretty shit at optimizing. But, y'know, gettin' there.

Are there no versions of skates or skimmers that aren't implanted? Has no one made a non-invasive version of skimmers by 2075?

>>51285894
The least argumentative answer is that it's only indirectly that you can do that. Diagnostics the arm so that they get the bonus on the attack die pool.

I don't think it'd be too out of line to also require that wireless be on for that boost on some builds, or otherwise require some way fro the sprite to interact with the arm.

Note that least doesn't mean too much.

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>>51283071
It already made it into the official german printing, and since the provisional erratas incorporate kraut and frog rule changes, its very likely.

>>51284518
>>51284410

Try running Chummer with adminrights before you attempt an update.

>>51284319

As much as I hate the analogy, Credsticks are bitcoins.

They're complicated, are prohibitively difficult to forge, discrete, with little to no good way to track their movement.

The big reason they're so difficult to "hack" is that whenever they show up in a transaction, they checksum. The only good way to fake one is to copy a real one and spend days tweaking the code on it until it passes certification.

Gratz, You spent thirty hours making 5k nuyen, which will immediately become worthless if a certified stick pops up with the same code (which is not at all unlikely world wide.).

On the other hand, it's the safest thing in the world to keep money in, because it's a chip small enough to fit anywhere, has no visible indicator of value, is accepted everywhere and isn't intrinsically valuable.

>>51284319
>>51288228
If you hate the bitcoins comparison, compare credsticks to their predecessor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearer_bond

>>51288228
>Gratz, You spent thirty hours making 5k nuyen
Work on a better grade of credstick, chummer.

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>>51282486
>spare clip in a weapon mount

Any lucky with the Anarchy .pdf ? Wanted to compare before I buy a physical copy of either it or 5e.

>>51289164
>buying
Chummer, don't be such a fraggin drekhead and check the OP pastebin

>>51289164
Anarchy is not good at what it sets out to do (be rules-lite). IMHO you might as well just go with 5e.
I don't have a pdf for you, though.
>>51289239
He wants a physical copy. I mean, that doesn't altogether excuse it, but

>>51289239
.pdfs are great for planning the game out and collecting all the expansions but a session is not the same without a physical core rulebook. It feelings just right when it's there.

>>51285287
>Empty R3 Cyberears
>Empty R3 Cybereyes
>Agi 1
Bad dog!

>>51289304
Sure, but buying the rule books means you pay CGL aka "We embezzled a million dollars and didn't pay you and we are very sorry for that. What, pay you back? How did you get that idea?"

>>51289164
If you wait for ~5 hours I can upload it.

>>51289529
It's in the Pastebin, you know. Under 5e for some weird reason, but it's been in there since the day after it came out.

>>51289523
I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>51289529
Thanks you.

>>51289552
Really ? I could've sworn I checked there.

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>>51289641
>Really ? I could've sworn I checked there.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>I have no idea what you're talking about.
Dude who runs CGL got caught embezzling lots of money, it came out that lots of their writers just flat out weren't getting payed, small scandal, nothing changed and the same dude still runs the show.

>>51285287
>In Debt XV
>112500 Nuyen in debt

Dude, you'll be starting every session with 6 boxes of physical damage.
Also remember that Redliner enhances both your body and your Cyberlimbs