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So how effective is Darkslayer at replicating weapons? It says the copies are subpar unless you're familiar with a weapon or have trained in replicating them, so if you've trained in it and are very familiar with, say, Excalibur, how powerful would the copies be?
Tell me about your beverage of choice, /jc/.
I have several unlimited beverage perks, but I tend to tire of the limited permutations of Red Gush, Duncan Hills Coffee various normal sodas, or Slurm mixed with all the various alcohols.
Hypothetically speaking, if I've had a really bad jump, bad enough to make me want to create a plague to kill every evil person on the planet, what jumps would help me go about creating a disease that can discern a person's morality?
>050: Drinking Fountain: You have a drink dispenser in your warehouse now, loaded up with an infinite supply of ice and one mundane beverage of your choosing. So no potions or drugs, but anything from soda to coffee to booze basically.
I'm not really sure. I mean making a disease is easy enough with geneforge and resident evil, but to discern a person's morality? No clue, unless you could actually find a basis for their morality in their genetics, then there is a perk in geneforge that would have you covered. Might want to go an entirely different direction and get some nanomachines, likely from Gunnm, and then using crimson saint from Maoyuu make a technological variant of the detect alignment spell from a D&D jump.
God I can hear them saying it in my head. The whole fucking catchphrase. What the HELL. It's been twenty years!
>See Career Model jump
>See Photographer choice
>Suddenly, Warzone Journalist build
Might be better to create an unstoppable drone enforcement swarm, that enforces the laws and has enough intelligence to do so benevolently.
You'd still be a world-conquering dictator, but it's less dubious than thinking evil is a thing.
No perks, one to three companions, items only, only 10 items total. Supernatural abilities that aren't possible with a normal human body cannot be learned, and all others must be paid for, representing the Jumper paying for the opportunity to learn them.
To make it interesting, every time you beat a 600+ or higher Drawback, you can use the CP to buy any perk normally, violating the rules above but not any of the rules set by the Jump or Jumpchain itself.
Tell me about the turning points of your chain, /jc/.
Tell me about the moments where your very nature was changed.
One of mine was when I used the Annex Program from Code Lyoko to upload myself into a Dyson I yoinked from HALO.
At that moment I became something of an Archailect.
We brew our own. One part cider brewed from the golden apples frist cultivated by Iounn. Two parts ambrosia juice, and one part liquor distilled from the peaches of immortality. Served with a twist of Philosopher's Stone enchanted with the Sixth Imaginary Factor, and steeped in the distilled belief of humanity.
We call it Soma. It's best served stirred, not shaken.
It's probably a tie between cooking and golf, although neither can be really described as mundane when one was honed in Toriko and the other is primary used to manipulate space-time anomalies.
Any of 'em, as long as they're psychic.
Why ever would we soil our hands in the fighting pits like some sort of undereducated brute?
Nah, we just sat in the shadows dicking around with conspiracies.
Uh. Geeze, we're gonna be here all day if we start listing them ALL man. Whether going from a baryonic state to a pseudo-fermion sea suspended in Bose-Einstein condensate or converting supercomputers into nanotech or using a Knight of Hell and modified Soul Shards to create a supply of Cambion souls aligned with our own aspect, suffice to say that our very nature has been fundamentally aligned with that of our cosmic principle.
Heck, because of our very nature Fallen London alone counts due to the tiny star-spore in our incarnation there getting supersaturated by the multiversal reserves of spiritual energy in our world-self. Suffice to say it was very awkward trying to hide around in the Neath as a nascent Judgement suffering from gigantism.
Currently, we're looking into using Guru and certain properties of the First and Olympian flames in order to bud the star spore within ourself in a process akin to metaphysical nuclear fusion, so that we may sprout entire constellations of Judgements within ourself.
More seriously, it depends a bit on what kind of holy/paladin you want to focus on. Order of the Stick/Neverwinter Nights has the D&D approach to Paladining, Warcraft and World of Warcraft have the Warcraft approach(es) to it, and the Fate/(Extra) jumps can let you take the warrior of Charlemagne approach to it (though the Nasu part of that approach means trap and flatchest built into it).
As for the holy part, again, that can be anything from the Warhammer jumps with human options, the Warcraft jumps, D&D for cleric or favoured soul or the like, Okami/GoW/Smite/etc for more literally being holy...
>warrior of Charlemagne approach to it (though the Nasu part of that approach means trap and flatchest built into it)
I don't think all of them were traps just the one.
Though it'd be funny if Charlemagne is a girl with her own
haremorder of paladin traps.
Pic related,Combined with a chainsaw demon weapon form and the ability to partially manifest It the conspiracy didn't have a chance.
Sorry I was thinking of killing bites,. I was a Peacebringer In bloody roar, It was actually pick related. Nice set of abilities Isn't it?
I'm rather partial to Thunder Brew from Okami, actually. But I also enjoy just about any soft drink. The vending machine from Raildex provides a pretty great variety!
Probably either sleeping or drinking.
I can fall asleep anywhere, in any position, for any length of time, long or short, and my time spent is hypercompressed to the point that even a half hour is a substantial rest for me.
I can also wake up on command, and there's some additional supernatural weirdness, but for all intents and purposes I am just really awesome at sleeping.
It's nice to dream, since I'm so shit at it in real life.
As for drinking, well. I have literally ever Alcohol Tolerance perk in the entirety of jumpchain, as well as several toughness and endurance perks, and a bottomless stomach.
Anyone thinking to challenge me to a contest just because I'm a tiny girl is in for a rude awakening...
... the next day, when they wake up naked in a bathtub after blacking the fuck out.
I asked 'Dog about this once. Apparently you can drag in bought items, within reason...? It's still inescapable, warehouse access is blocked, and the dumpster is a finite space so you should probably try not to crush yourself, but if you bought an item that you think will pass the time and it'll fit, it's allowed.
I brought in the Old TV from Courage and my videogame collection from Megas, along with some food items. Goldar kept hoarding the snack cakes.
Identity: Delivery Boy, Age: 23
Perks: Do the Hustle, No Delta Brainwave (-300), Sweet Sweet Candy (-300)
Drawbacks: Hhuuuwha? (+100)
Chimmy: Captain, Genetic Engineering, Pilot, Sweet Sweet Candy (-300)
Falco: Delivery Boy, Do The Hustle, No Delta Brainwave (-300)
Roberta: Delivery Boy, Do The Hustle, No Delta Brainwave (-300)
Lexington: Professor, Genetic Engineering, Pilot (-100), Mathematics, Rocket Science (-200)
Ko'el: Robot, Bending, Holophoner (-50), Spacecraft (-250)
Sisters of Battle: Delivery Boy, Do The Hustle, No Delta Brainwave (-300)
>You have a somewhat lax grasp on reality and have periods of absentmindedness.
And nothing changed.
Most of my companions stayed in their native forms, because this is the kind of universe where being a talking pile of rocks doesn't stop you from getting dates. We'd all seen the show at various points in our travels, and I thought'd be fun to be the dickass rivals to Planet Express. We got extra-universal business visas and just made a habit of hassling them whenever we could. Stealing business, guiding Fry into terrible situations, helping him and Leela have a long and happy marriage, placing Bender's hard drive into a highly magnetized body, and minimizing Hermes' workload were all on the table. We even continually bested them at dance-offs, until the Professor invented super-dancing exo-skeletons for them. I mean, they took it too far, but that was fun to watch.
So, we also got most of the party immunity to mind control. Chimmy is happy at being captain of a ship of sexy dancers. Ko'el now has a personal space-vessel and doesn't need to borrow any of the ships on the Light of Terra.
It's not JUST Rita. It's Rita and ALL her henchman. So that's including Finster, Goldar, Squat & Baboo, as well as Rita Repulsa herself.
They're all prone to random declarations and fidgety hand gestures for the sake of them, like most Power Rangers villains. As for Rita herself, she's got the voice of a trash compactor set to whine, is both convinced of her own self-importance and a chronic complainer, and gets frequent headaches. She also basically has no volume setting on her voice. So to answer your question: not great.
Although by the time our time there was done, I'd introduced her to the wonderful world of drinking. So her catchphrase had changed from "I've got a headache" to "I need a drink."
The resultant opening season was a little more PG-13 than the kids might remember as a result.
Anyway, I hope you like yelling.
>your very nature was changed.
Well, I took a jump with a drawback where an idiotic power hungry bitch decided to harass me and my companions plenty. Between them and monsters, I got fed up enough that we declared war on a bunch of criminals that were her underlings.
My longtime partner took an interest in one of the criminals, another of the criminals really annoyed me, so I decided to do something I hadn't done before and probed him with mind worms. I needed information anyways, and after he had gotten in the way for the seventh time or so I got fed up and dismembered him before using him as a warning to other criminals.
Strangely enough it the sight of their colleague as a dismembered scarecrow didn't seem to affect the other criminals, so we took things to another level. From the point we realized that these idiots weren't going to give up, well we stopped treating them as just criminals and decided they were multiverse level threats and responded accordingly.
It was a major defensive overreaction if anything, but that was probably the turning point where we started focusing exclusively on ensuring that we were safe as a group over anything else.
Yeah, as I said previously, I asked stupid_dog back when the jump was made.
He was very clear that there's no way to escape (it is a drawback, after all), and warehouse access is blocked. The dumpster is also quite cramped, and it's going to build up quite the stench during your time there.
But you're allowed to drag in items that you bought in previous jumps or that you can smuggle in on your person, provided you realize that they're still taking up space and you don't really have a lot of that.
Also, you're probably going to get bored of whatever you brought during the hundred years you're stuck there, but it's really better than nothing.
Gaming for me also doubled as a training regime, since I have a couple perks that cause that. But still, I was pretty done with that shit by the time we got out.
I know of no such jump. Nor do I think that making such a jump would be a good idea. It's not worth the amount of people applying the no limits fallacy to it and grabbing ridiculously OP things out of books.
Yeaaaaah no. This is really just not going to work out and you will honestly regret trying to force the issue. There are other communities that will accept this, you are REALLY better off going to them. Seriously.
I'm still unconvinced even with those limitations that over 2000 years you couldn't, say, write a story about The Omnipotent God-Apple That Will Make The Man Who Wrote This Book Win At Everything Forever and then use it.
So-yeah. Some settings only work as regular CYOAs, not jumps.
Maybe I'm missing something but how can you tell the maker's from spacebattles and now just having a monumentally bad idea?
I didn't even think of that. I was thinking more of a hypothetical murderhobo spree while blasting anti-magic at the seals until they're weak enough to start using Libriomancy without the restrictions
Honestly even without that it's overpowered. There's several forms of sci-fi tech from books that's both high end jumper level bullshit and small enough to fit though the page.
There are also a few mythological and religious texts with some bullshit overpowered stuff.
Hell there are a few sci-fi stories where you can read about the big bang when it was still really tiny.
The sad thing is-the perks actually look pretty neat. The issue really is that the casting system is fundamentally borked.
If the guy who worked on it is still around-for what it's worth, I do think it would make for a pretty good regular CYOA. It's just not something that really works in the wider context of the chain.
Shit, just pay some schuck to write the most OP thing he can think of, ending up with something along the lines of that awful suggsverse and use a few perks or good/obscene amounts of marketing to get assloads of people to read it.
Haha, I just had a look at the tail end of that thread and:
>As for Infinicon it's a jump nobody talks about by a guy who's a complete pariah (a good 90% of the thread has him on ignore and the rest are constantly yelling at him for being a moron)
SB only just finding out about Bancho amuses me.
It's like watching a bunch of kids turn over a stone without knowing about the gross nest of worms underneath it.
Eh, both of the people in that conversation are regulars here. Granted, most of the rest of the thread probably doesn't know about Bancho, but they probably both have for a while.
>As for Infinicon it's a jump nobody talks about
I remember when it first got made, there was confusion about whether or not it was suitable as a jump setting. Now a year later when we have even more ridiculous settings that have decent jumps made out of them, I actually care a lot less... ... but I still think it would be better served by someone who isn't tera.
My main disagreement stems from it being more open-ended than, say, the Wheel of Time being a vaguely put together /tg/ homebrew and therefore providing more lattitude for what can be wanked out of it. The way con-magic or whatever it is that makes its' weird shit happen isn't explained very well in the jump, but I doubt it's any more clear in the original "setting".
That said, I agree Tera/Bancho was the worst possible choice for doing anything.
The setting itself has it controlled by Gutenberg's banhammer from what I gather. Which is why my major recommendation is to keep it in effect. Admittedly would still be ridiculously potent, but would prevent stuff like a One Punch Man novelization being used.
Although yeah, this might just be a setting that shouldn't get a jump due to working poorly in context of the Chain.
The thing that frustrates me is that Immersion can be treated as actual reality warping or it can be treated as a shared hallucination where Consec has to convince people they're not dead afterwards. Or it doesn't even have to be a big part of the setting, which can be played as sort of a darkly humorous blend between nerd culture and real world territorial disputes. But naturally, he goes for the batshit interpretation.
It's like a Paranoia Jump that only offered Zap.
Each item draws on the caster's magic.
If you make yourself a God or invoke any permanent/super-long-term magical transformation, it would burn out all your power in the process. This is what happens to vampires and werewolves.
Exactly, My impression was that the people brainstorming it never got round to deliberately laying down a canon interpretation either way, which makes it difficult to ascertain exactly what kind of feats stuff from there can do-which isn't helped by Bancho naturally deciding it means reality warping for everyone.
It does sound a little bit like Unknown Armies. Which if it were a jump, would probably boast an all-time record for people going Drop-In to avoid the fact that you have to literally go insane in a specific way to use the setting's magicks.
>There's several forms of sci-fi tech from books that's both high end jumper level bullshit and small enough to fit though the page.
Anything made with Libriomancy is a magical construct - it has no moving parts or useful data stores.
>I'm still unconvinced even with those limitations that over 2000 years you couldn't, say, write a story about The Omnipotent God-Apple That Will Make The Man Who Wrote This Book Win At Everything Forever and then use it.
In 2000 years, if you cannot break a magic system over your knee you aren't even trying.
I thought the jump says supernautral beings can't do libriomancy?
Wait-TARDISes are made of coral? I thought they were weird eldritch hyperdimensional lifeforms
Reverse engineer the Ray Sphere/10
The thing is-breaking magic systems doesn't usually result in literal omnipotence.
And "magical construct" still provides massive leeway for abuse. See: The Omnipotent God-Apple.
Wait, I've a better idea: Write a book about the normal limitations of libriomancy being erased and redefined as whatever Jumper wants, and write it well enough to be a bestseller
>The thing is-breaking magic systems doesn't usually result in literal omnipotence.
Omnipotence is infinite power.
You're free to pull the GODHEAD out of a book, but you would die instantly and possibly explode.
Doesn't really work like that - generally those items would only work for their own magic system, and maybe not even then. It's why scrying devices and tricorders tend to be useless.
Aren't there multiple perks and items in this jump that loosen or remove a lot of the limitations of libriomancy on top of what OP stuff is already there? Some pen and one of the capstones
You know it's benchmarked at the colt revolver from supernatural right?
It's not reality warping, it's YOU-warping, then the character If that And that's only because you lose yourself to the Character. It's not something a rational Reasonable person would do.
No no efficiency for libromancy power. And if that doesn't work? Make items that are literally just storage containers for libromancy to use, repeat until bullshit.
What we are saying is dear god do not leave it top open. Do like soft cap where past a certain point progress is slowed the farther you go.
The items remove the "physical caloric drain" and "damages the book" limits, but not the "personal magical drain" or "magical crack cocaine" ones.
Gutenberg's ban is also a so-so thing. Mostly he locks the books that would be stupid to draw from. RPG books aren't too bad - unless you have a copy of Strike Legion...
Well, let's say you want a big quantity of a rare resource like the Hourai Elixier or the Chousin's gems or any cool metal you see in another jump. Is there anything stopping you from just sort of snagging all the rarest of rare treasures just by describing them well enough and resting up before pulling them from a book?
I don't see that benchmark in the jump. Regardless, my primary objection lies in my considering that the setting isn't well defined enough to have canon interpretations and hard limits for what things from it can do, and therefore not suitable for making a jump out of.
>Well, let's say you want a big quantity of a rare resource like the Hourai Elixier or the Chousin's gems or any cool metal you see in another jump. Is there anything stopping you from just sort of snagging all the rarest of rare treasures just by describing them well enough and resting up before pulling them from a book?
Not really. Some kind of Fancy Diamond of Swag is noted to have been replicated dozens of times.
But what comes out isn't the "real deal". It's always a magical simulacrum of it - limited by a combination of your power and the "mass faith" involved - so the Hourai Elixir might work... until someone hit you with a Dispel Magic or the effect was overloaded, and the transformation involved would probably burn out your Libriomancy anyway.
I still thinking the cheatiest way would just be to print a series called How to Remove the Normal Limits of Spellcasting For Dummies: Volumes 1-9001 and keep distributing them as bestsellers until you can just pull out whatever you want.
You're out of luck, then. It's more or less confirmed the initial manner "full Conduit powers" were gained relates to the Ray Sphere's explosion, and people further away from it than John/The Beast getting hit by its' radiation. Heck, in Infamous 2 Nix got her powers from having the right genes and being near the blast radius that turned Bertrand into a gross roach kaiju.
And they don't really explain how they came back in Second Son after Cole did the planetary EMP.
>I still thinking the cheatiest way would just be to print a series called How to Remove the Normal Limits of Spellcasting For Dummies: Volumes 1-9001 and keep distributing them as bestsellers until you can just pull out whatever you want.
What would you remove from the book?
How would it work?
How much power would it take to rewrite the universal magical law?
1.It's part of the description,The colt, Suit of iron Man armor,Some of the Weirder utility Things like moving into a body pillow picture.
2.It seemed to me that in the original threads . The setting was open to several different interpretations depending on what kind of power Level you wanted,I went with a higher power level,There Was A anonymous who Wanted to do A low powered supplement,And I approved it., but so far nothing is forthcoming.
But here's the thing. You don't have to pick immersion, it's perfectly possible to cosplay without becoming a character. Just shower at the end of the day and maintain relationships/jobs etc. as yourself.
The crux of my argument is the sheer breadth of what you can replicate seems overly meta to me even by the standards of jumpchain-espeically when it comes to world-changing macguffins or priceless artifacts. This isn't like Nasuverse Projection where even Shirou, who has an RM spec'd for the job, can't replicate Ea.
>What would you remove from the books
candelabrathat allows me to cheat the laws of Libriomancy
>How would it work
Magic. As long as I hold on to it, I can take out whatever I want.
>How much power
Actually I don't know, I've never read the Libiomancer books. But I did write in the books I issued out that the
Candelabra of Calamityspecifically allows people to cheat libiomancy limits by its' very nature.
The point of that wasn't that it was broken, it was that it could not be stopped. Its too simple. If it cannot be accomplished, then how can anything with the magic system?
Your plan does involve doing a whole lot, through 9001 steps I presume, but infinity/9001 is still a lot. Even if my setup doesn't reach infinity, its still an escalating level of power. Especially once you throw in perks that remove the need for food/sleep and can start rapid casting it.
This argument is kind of just bullshit, though if you are trying to highlight the issues with others arguements I understand. Remember he has said that if you try and break the limits of what you can do you end up burned out, so you might get your candelabra but be unable to use it, which is of course solved by having a companion do it. But just pointing out the flaw in your plan.
1. I found the example items. The Colt isn't mentioned at all.
>the wellspring of immersion that is the under con doesn't just effect living things, if someone reaches
complete immersion there props and accessories cross over with them, and those who imagine themselves as wizards and techno-geniuses can gain the ability to create their own marvels. You've managed to find such a wonder, whether it's a functioning replica of the sword of omens, instructions for entering the 2-D world and interacting the characters on body pillows physically the characters on, a functional set of iron Man model 33 armor keyed to your biometrics, anything up in this range can be yours . Of course such things are precious beyond measure and bring as much trouble as they solve, reality really doesn't like it when the line between what is and is not is crossed to this degree.
Some of these things' value seem arbitrary. Entering the 2D world is much more advanced than Iron Man armour
>I went for a higher power level
Bancho, this in a nutshell is why nobody trusts you with a setting they care about, and you're blithely missing my point
The fact that there ARE several interpretations of how the fundamental powers of the setting work is why I think this setting DOES NOT work as a jump at all.
...I'm sorry, I've completely missed the point you're trying to make, I might just be too tired to understand you.
All I'm saying is that the whole system seems broken as hell because you can just write about whatever you want.
And that's fair enough-that is, in fact, all I'm trying to do-as mentioned above even taking those limits into account I just think the whole system is abusable in a meta sense.
>The crux of my argument is the sheer breadth of what you can replicate seems overly meta to me even by the standards of jumpchain-espeically when it comes to world-changing macguffins or priceless artifacts. This isn't like Nasuverse Projection where even Shirou, who has an RM spec'd for the job, can't replicate Ea.
Except it kindof is.
You can't generate infinities.
Anything that uses power uses YOUR power and permanently locks it up until you destroy the item.
Any items that are "too good to be true" are like a genie's wishes.
You can't create knowledge either.
If we just want to compare magic systems - DnD can easily provide Unlimited Free Wishes. Many of the others have similarly potent things, that aren't even that hard to acquire.
I agree that flavour-wise it's a bit superfluous, but as long as the jump is internally consistent and balanced, I don't think this is any more OP than any other open-ended magic system - and actually the books spend a lot more time defining limits than many series, even if they break some of the lesser ones along the way.
I like this.
Sympathetic magic I thought I would have to wait for a "kingkiller chronicle" jump and is so damn useful. Especially since canny use geta rid of pesky g forces on turns, making speedsters faster than ever.
Hive mind is the perk I have dreamed of, which does make me question if it should exist, but look it over and make sure its balanced with the others.
As for libromancy limitations, include the jumpchan fiat that libromancy cannot affect libromancy. If this is already a part of the books then make it very loud and clear. As its already stated you cannot both Be magic and Have magic, if libromancy made items cannot directly affect libromancy, most of the bullshit in thread goes away.
>Anything made with Libriomancy is a magical construct - it has no moving parts or useful data stores.
I was thinking less 'get tech data' and more stuff like a Xeelee Star Breaker which is a device small enough to be hand held that as it's name implies breaks stars.
>Wait-TARDISes are made of coral? I thought they were weird eldritch hyperdimensional lifeforms.
While TARDIS coral was once mentioned I think it's less literal coral and more 'this is what a still developing TARDIS is called'.
Although if I remember correctly TARDIS are made of reality warping math.
That's because the Ray Sphere radiation awoke powers in people who had the Conduit Gene. And apparently the planetary EMP killed the active ones and gave other people with the gene the ability to manifest powers in stressful situations.
So shouldn't it be possible to transfer the genetic component in a more complete manner than the other examples and then activate the powers?
>I was thinking less 'get tech data' and more stuff like a Xeelee Star Breaker which is a device small enough to be hand held that as it's name implies breaks stars.
Yeah, I don't know how that would work out. They'd be under the Ban, in-jump, outside of it I guess it would depend - if it needs crazy energy to work, it's not so bad. If it's some physics hax, it could be energetic or some Ice-9 bullshit.
Ice-9 would be a bad idea.
Actually, it might be insanely dangerous to just pull it out - you probably won't know how the magic will interpret it or the energy cost to make it if you don't have any level of understanding of it.
Leaving the ban in place - or perhaps making it adjust to you, "nothing more advanced than you are already capable of creating" - is probably the best option. It can be a post-spark option to unlock it.
Otherwise, more extensive notes about what might happen and that magical experimentation with Libriomancy is insanely dangerous would be needed.
>TARDISes are made of reality warping math
Oh shit, I remember that now but not in the context of building/birthing TARDISes. It makes about as much sense as anything related to TARDISes though.
We're heading deep into fanwank territory here. "Apparently" isn't a very solid basis to found a science project on when the burst was supposed to kill everyone with the Conduit gene; there was a cutscene about how potential conduit children/babies were wiped out too, meaning there shouldn't have been any surviving humans left with the ability. On the balance of probabilities it seems to me the answer remains unclear.
As for transfering the genetic component-there's a built by Bertrand that Cole uses to take powers from Kuo or Nyx. This is a very big maybe, though. Especially if you're looking into "full Conduit powers".
Is there any kind of limit on affecting limits for other magic systems?
"Pride and Prejudice 2: Get Your True Magic Here Boogaloo"
"Dante's Guide To Abolishing Vancian Time Limits on D&D Casting"
"Touma Hates Him! Find Out How This Magician Got Rid Of All The Downsides Of Imagine Breaker While Keeping The Benefits!"
Eh. The fact that we'd have to go thisin-depth to set arbitrary limits on what it can do just tells me the whole thing would work better as a standalone CYOA than a regular jump to prevent people from giving entirely civilisations Xeelee Star Breakers after spending most of Civ Jump practicing.
>Is there any kind of limit on affecting limits for other magic systems?
>"Pride and Prejudice 2: Get Your True Magic Here Boogaloo"
>"Dante's Guide To Abolishing Vancian Time Limits on D&D Casting"
>"Touma Hates Him! Find Out How This Magician Got Rid Of All The Downsides Of Imagine Breaker While Keeping The Benefits!"
I have no idea.
Personally I'd say it probably just doesn't work, or it only works with other items from a book that think they use the same system, or it takes exactly as much power and energy as it would if you did it with that system (i.e. you have no idea - and they're generally black box effects), or they're nonfunctional because they're made of Libriomancy but think they're made of Other System.
Still, that's what experimentation is for. I'm pretty sure Gutenberg did something like it to hack his way into being more powerful than even the sorcerous elite, but it clearly wasn't an infinite loop of magical gains.
In the end it comes down to "maybe it works - what would be interesting for me?".
>Wait-TARDISes are made of coral? I thought they were weird eldritch hyperdimensional lifeforms
They're also made of coral. Or the Gallifreyan equivalent. Coral is alive, you know.
>there was a cutscene about how potential conduit children/babies were wiped out too
Was there? I vaguely remember that, but I haven't played 2 in a long time.
I remember reading a theory somewhere that only a certain type of unactivated Conduit survived, because all of the currently living ones have an ability that relates to the absorption and manipulation of matter and energy, where before there were conduits with more varied abilities (Bertand, Alden, etc.).
As I've mentioned earlier, I've never read the books so I may be a little biased simply because of the premise of "turn anything you write real" seeming very, very broken. I haven't heard anything to really dissuade me of that notion though, especially when the answer to this particular line of inquiry boils down to nobody knowing enough.
Oh, god. Write up Index's Grungnir. Then write a copy of "How to be a Majin 101". Boom. Literal I Win button.
What's the most impressive feat anyone pulled off with this stuff in-universe?
Yep. Ending cutscene.
>I remember reading a theory
Never trust theories. There were also theories the Riddler would be the main villain in TDKR before it came out.
Eh, perhaps. Libriomancy needed lots of caveats and limits in place in the series itself just to stop it being crazy as all fuck.
I think as long as there's a good explanation of how it works, the usual limits and that you cannot escape the energy costs or side-effects, then it would come back down to interpretation.
From the FR jump, for the easiest example, you can *technically* get free wishes and use those to get unlimited quickened wishes. You could even go back in time and learn 10th-12th level spells, and without Mystra around to enforce her ban, argue somewhat reasonably that you should be able to cast them.
I think it's actually kind of interesting - what if you did try to pull out a star killer?
Would it work, or wouldn't it? If you don't think it should be possible - then you can imagine testing it, grabbing the box, feeling it begin to leave the book, and then being hammered by an incredible powerdrain, feeling the words begin to move and the scene to play out, char rippling around your hand as you finally manage to pull free and release it.
Or the box comes out, but it's inert without certain local physical properties that don't actually work IRL... and you end up using it as a rather risky paperweight.
A bit of a better explanation of the limits is there.
The best feat, was probably pulling the Holy Grail out of the bible, with all its purported powers circa 1400 intact, which Gutenberg used to become some kind of immortal without losing his magic.
He also made anti-magic teleporting golems made of words and angels. Been a while since I've read it actually.
The least impressive feat:
In Unbound, the Porters release a fake Harry Potter sequel, thinking millions of people will read it and thus give power to the artifact they wrote about to use against the Big Bad. What actually happens is that people scream fake on the internet and are too busy arguing to actually finish the book.
Y'know, when you put it like that-at the very least it is an interesting thought experiment. These things are all magical constructs, right? If you have magic contingent on certain locations would more advanced ones only work if you cast them on a Type-Moon Territory? Would they just sort of all apart from ambient magic energy currents if you tried bringing them into the Warp or the Hedge?
Or for that matter, what happens when you put a libriomancy created item that cancels magic into an anti-magic field?
For that matter, writing a Holy Grail would be interesting since the reality where the Root is has been locked off, and the cup depends on the Root to grant wishes IIRC. At best, you get a shiny up. At worst, you get a magic artifact that tries to tunnel up to the ultimate source of existence in a given setting-which depending on where you are could seriously annoy Ao, give Tenchi an inexplicable sense of being watched or just return to you a 404 error because you're living in a mundane setting.
Or-a fragment of a Big Bang. So yes, a risky paperwait.
As for wishes-my only consolation there is, IIRC, wishing for anything more ambitious than a select list opens the wisher to unforeseen consequences on the level of GM fiat. Given the benefactor is at least nigh-omnipotent, bored and therefore the closest thing to there being a cosmic GM, the risk-reward ratio here seems too great to stake your life on.
Maybe. It's not gone into much detail, it's just something a few paranoid mages of the Clocktower are superstitious about.
If it does, it's only modern magecraft. HSDW and other Age of the Gods-era more or less run on divine bullshit, and True Magics are essentially cheat codes to reality.
This just raised another issue. It trivialises the Gear section of many jumps. If you can just pull out, say, a Neutrino 2000 out of Artemis Fowl, an Apple of Life out of Narnia, or a Time Turner out of Harry Potter, why bother even buying them with CP in the first place when you can just visit this jump to get them all for free?
From what I remember it's less 'knowing about it' and more 'knowing how it works and/or using it'.
Meanwhile paradoxically most magic foundations are connected to belief systems.
Basically to use an analogy magecraft is like a forum, and the decline is lag and nobody knowing how to update things.
Precisely, there isn't a reason. Hence why I'm against it being made a jump even with energy limits against the Banana of Absolute Hyperdeath in place, and taking into account how charring makes books degrade after usage; you can always write a new one after all.
That sounds about right although from what I recall I don't think the thing about more people knowing how to use it was ever definitely confirmed or denied, just speculated about.
The existence of the Church does seem to count as evidence against it, though.
Indeed, and it is an issue.
At the very least, you can't - I think - get away from the permanent magic drain and mental side-effects of overuse. So you'd probably have a few things - the Book of Swords items in the spacebattles link above would be a good starter set - and otherwise not rely on it too much.
Many CP items are improved over their canon versions of course, though not always - and if so then in-jump you can usually acquire whatever you want anyway. Any created item would also be vulnerable to antimagic.
IIRC, charring hits *every* copy of the book. It's basically a unique Sympathetic Magic trick - it's also why you can't make a giant copy of a book to pull out a tank.
The thought occurs the mental side effects could easily be circumnavigated by jumping origins where the species doesn't have a brain to be hurt by. The bit about magic being bound up is, I admit, a point in its' favor though.
Of course there's nothing stopping you from writing many, many different books about the same topic. It does make the process a lot more time consuming though.
In the book a wizard made a fake new harry potter book with which he planned on pulling a mcguffin called the goblin staff out of. It was a magic item that would have destroyed all magic ever.
It was accepted in book that this thing would totally have worked.
How could you replicate God Anime Hitler?
I was thinking that being a Hellsing's True Vampire with Dark Binding would be a great start, but I think I still missing some heavy conceptual attack bullshit.
Speaking of mystical books: If you're out there Clover, a few more questions about Fallen London occur:
Suppose you were to reverse engineer the Truthbreaker Turbine. Exactly how good an Enigma would you need for it to count as Searing to be fed inton the machine-or would you say it only works for the specific Enigmas uncovered from the Forgotten Quarters? For that matter, how does one quantify Sudden Insights for the machine; is it just a measure of difficulty for your intelligence?
And assuming you pull it off-what can you use Impossible Theorems for? According to the wiki you will eventually be able to
colonise Parabola with themsomehow, but what do they actually do?
Also, just to confirm: The Liberation of Night appears to work through gathering a lot of Ray-Drenched Cinders and detonating them all at once, right? It's more or less a bomb made of eldritch radiations that can disrupt the unnatural lifeforce of the Bazaar and Mountain right?
How does one forge weapons enchanted with "active" Wax-Wind apart from earning them in games of PVP (also known as Knife-and-Candle)?
Head to Akagi. Acquire supernatural mahjong skill.
> How could you replicate God Anime Hitler?
I've got the certain death attacks, but I'm still lacking the unavoidable attack.
For the reference: http://fictionalcharacterbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich
Would that be enough to reveal the hidden power of the Super Aryan?
On the subject of Fallen London, the Feast of the Exceptional Rose aka Valentine's Day is currently under way. One of several traditions is the giving of gifts and...
Mr Iron is a grumpy Master who only likes violence, especially knife-related violence. His
snow golem simulacrumappreciates it if you give him a certain kind of knife during Christmas.
The Bazaar is really, really hungry for love stories. Apparently both as actual sustenance as well as its' mission.
Make of this what you will.
Remember, you can get most items for free by being a bloody magpie. Most items you buy from Jumps compensate for that somehow - e.g., they repair if broken, they have a special trick, or something like that.
Do you mean "I don't try to steal the role of the protagonist," or "I don't do things worthy of being called a protagonist"? Because I rarely try to fuck with a Jump's ongoing story unless the Jump leaves me no choice (e.g., Harry Potter). On the other hand, most of the time I'm off being the hero of another story instead.
Actually it didn't because the wizard got killed first, it doesn't matter if the book is fake hell the mc pulls glasses that translate anything from an old magazine. What matters is the amount of people reading it.
The item's actual text makes it even better
>I love you, kill me
>here is the key to my heart
>you wound me
Apparently the Bazaar approves of yanderes.
I go on my own adventures. There's generally an entire world out there, and the hero only sees a small part of it. So for Dresden Files, I didn't interact with Harry at all - instead I went on a global monster-hunting adventure, thwacking big nasties all across the world about the head and face until they agreed to place nice, and making life a little better for humanity.
Seriously, do you have any idea how LARGE the typical world is? Going by Pokemon's "expand out regions until they're actual regions" mechanic, they're a lot bigger than their media suggests. Unless there's a worldwide threat, you could spend ten years in nearly any Jump and never bump into anyone directly affected by the hero.
>her catchphrase had changed from "I've got a headache" to "I need a drink."
I kind of want to see this version of the show. I've got no doubt that Rita drinking led to absolutely NO bad decisions about the sort of monsters she was going to throw at them.
Oh yeah, loads of times. When the conflict is beneath our notice. When events will naturall come to a resolution we find satisfactory. When there's more interesting things to do
Well, in Pandora? We spent most of our time exploring the rest of the planet and talking to it, after giving the humans enough terraforming and perpetual energy to sustain their civilisation-as long as they stop trying to advance once they returned to Earth. There's a magical geas that will turn the tech they gain from us to dust if they use it to go beyond the tech limitations we mandated. But otherwise, most of that decade was spent just doing other stuff.
Likewise, we more or less spent all of HP learning about magic. Just. All of it. As hard as possible. Left the country briefly when the Death Eaters took over.
There's quite a few like Bloody Roar where we spend all the time playing a game of shadows, manipulating conspiracies for sociological research purposes without ever really meeting the heroes in person. We never technically met Sherlock Holmes; he did uncover a lot of our lairs though.
Oh, and we just kinda walked the Earth in Negima. Just rode the rails and contemplated life, hobo-style. Seemed way safer than going to Mars, at least-it was an early jump.
My general rule is that I only fuck with the protagonist if he or she needs to be fucked with. Protagonists who are just stupid get sidelined or removed. Protagonists who mean well but make painful mistakes get mentoring and assistance.
If there's no world ending threat, though, and the protagonists are meh to okay? Yeah, I do my own thing. Sometimes it's a low key life. Though I have to admit the more power I get the more I like to play Benefactor myself; I give individuals, or small groups, power that they wouldn't have otherwise and help them improve their lives.
Or sometimes I just watch and see. Its interesting to see who really believes in equality and who just mouths it.
Thank you. I think that's exactly what I thought I remembered. Pity it only works on online services, though.
Thanks, that works too. Better off picking that up in-jump, though.
With a few notable exceptions, yes. Jojo, Fairy Tale, and maybe Gurren Lagann. Kenshin would get a pass, easily, if we had that jump. But most of the big name shounen, the mangas that go on for eternity, their protagonists are destined for the fire.
Less raw reasoning power and scholastic aptitude, more painfully shitty decision making and lack of awareness, self and otherwise.
She's the Point of View character, the one through whose eyes we see everything - but otherwise Lucy is rarely anything approaching "relevant," never mind "the actual protagonist."
I can't speak about Luffy or Ichigo, but you're going a tad hard on Goku. He's literally brain damaged and a pure-blooded Saiyan, so learning anything that doesn't relate to combat is out of the cards. The bigger problem is that he always sees the best of his enemies due to how pure he is, but for the most part, he doesn't have Therapy/Talk no Jutsu to convert people to his side.
Nah, he wasn't a good guy, he just wasn't initially willfully malicious. He still killed people, he just didn't think much of it or go out of his way.
On the other hand, it was Mr. Satan who redeemed Buu, not Goku.
To be fair a lot of the early Dragon Ball characters were basically villians that turned good after meeting Goku and Bulma (and later maybe Krillian).
The list of former villains includes Oolong (the pig), Yamcha, Puar(the cat), Tien, Chotzu, and maybe a few others I forgot.
Yet oddly Kid Goku seemed a lot more violent as well.
It should be whatever is beyond the normal for the creature, but the base physical form should be fine, like a human body, the cost and splitup downgrade comes if you try and add more supernatural aspects to your biology, and if you don't take anything I assume it would just be a general boost across everything.
...slight change of plans re: Chrono Trigger. Probably safer to have a time machine around to deal with time anomalies right off the bat.
Drawbacks: Crimson Echoes, But The Future Refused To Change (1600)
Enlightened One, Age 20, Genius (1450)
Home Era: Antiquity
Ending: The Dream Project
Combination Attack (Free)
Jumper's Theme (Free)
Leave It To Me (1400)
You Repaired Me (1300)
Guru of Fate (900)
Lathe of Heaven (600)
Dreams Are For Sleepers (500)
Wings of Time (0)
Origin: Drop-In, Race: Monster, Age: 18
Perks: Justice, Spare (-200), Megalovania (-300)
Magic: Bullet Patterns, Motion Magic Blue (-50), Motion Magic Orange (-50), Healing Magic (-100), Magnifying Magic (-300)
Items: Echo Flower Seeds (-100). Golden Flower Seeds (-200)
Asriel Dreemurr get
Drawbacks: Anime is Real, The Taste is Indescribable (+100), Lost Souls (+200)
I'm Santa's helper. What I do is go around and meet everyone so I can learn what presents they want, and do my best to befriend them in the process.
Even Jerry.I kept track of them by befriending them on social media, seriously, fuck jerry and his useless ass spammy posts. It took a few years to get everything just right, but the perks I picked up in Santa jump really helped. Asgore would deliver whatever I made to his people, so it seemed like Santa was always watching, and Alphys was the only one who knew. So, I make toys for everybody, and even recruited my companions to help in their manufacture. They were actually the hardest people to befriend, but that's what happens when you Know Too Much about someone and come across as slightly in love with them. It can be very offputting.
My bullet patterns were toy-themed. There were bouncing balls and toy soldiers, but my favorite was the train tracks. Orange tracks and blue trains floating around the battlefield. Or blue tracks and orange trains. I didn't really keep track. I even got a battle with Frisk, though I had to heal them with green presents a few times. I made Frisk promise to help me save the King's son, and used the cuteness perks from Generic Sugarbowl to help Chara come around. The promise was turned into a fairy pledge to help guarantee things went right.
Frisk and I saved Asriel, and he was the only present I ever gave Asgore. Asriel agreed to come with me, and the goodbyes were sad all around. He'll come back as an adult, so his parents won't have to die.
What have you done when your back was against the wall? Tell me your tales of necessity and dread consequence, of fell deeds done for the narrow victory and the fallout therefrom.
She's the secondary protagonist, along with Erza & Grey. They're the ones that have had most power boosts, most history shown, and where the spot light shines most the time. Grey is the balance to Natsu, and Erza is the balance to Lucy. Happy is there as well, but he's the joke character.
Not him, but the operative word here is "DCAU" because she played her role just fine in the animated series.
I haven't even read the comics but apparently they're tying to revamp Harley as this edgy red and blue psycho for some reason.
So, two of the best things to come out of the DCAU get fucked up horribly by DC's comics writers.
Way to go guys.
Has anyone tried to help that guy out? He's sympathetic as all hell, and it seems like a mid-late jumper should be able to fix him up easy-peasy.
Late 90's and early 00's. Civil War deserves the hype it gets and JMS's Rising Stars was fantastic.
Lock and Key was good, too, but that was a good 7 or 8 years ago that I read that and I don't know if its still running.
>Ray Sphere radiation awoke powers in people who had the Conduit Gene. And apparently the planetary EMP killed the active ones
Does this mean Jumpers who've done Conduit can be OHKO'd via similar methods?
So I Occasionally Interpret things so that if I take an enemy as a drawback. They are at least comparable in power to me. so I've got the brides of Dracula chasing me down, and One of them is about to bite me, LoT trapped by vampire ladies ,LoT. Long story short, there A crater instead of Transylvania in Van Helsing Now, first time I ever used One of my " you do not lose the chain If you die" perks, Some nights I still wake up Screaming to Guilt fueled nightmares of the ashes.
>How addictive is Venom?
>Would a single dose get you hooked?
>Also what are the downsides?
You turn into a thoughtless rage monster. The only person who has kept any form of rational thought while using it has been Bane. Everyone else who takes it turns into the Hulk on the rag.
Did I mention that this is the first two times I used those perks? . Yeah , had to bust up the cloud cover And all structures so that they,Dracula and vampire me would get hit by the rays of the sun.
It's a type of radiation that killed every active Conduit with the gene. You're unlikely to run into that specific problem outside of the Jump, but similar things could happen whether you're a Conduit or not. Can't hurt to have a counter to it.
Depends on how long they've been jumping. Nobody knows what the blazes a Ray Sphere EMP would do against a vampire, or a dragon, or a shoggoth. Or for that matter someone with stupid durability/regen or conceptual regeneration defences like Avalon.
It certainly wouldnt' do jack shit to someone who's modified their base form to the point of having no genes to zap.
>Will probably have most Eldar Jump drawbacks ready for preview tonight, but you can have the first sentence of one right now!
>Toying Around [+0] – Perhaps you believed this was a game of some sort? O Child of Asuryan, O scion of the Craftworld, O once and future master of the galaxy, I am happy to oblige.
>STILL having issues with wargear, throwing prices on where I can, debating folding all the Aspect Wargear into a single purchase for Aspect Warriors (you'd get the gear for your Aspect) to save space and save myself headaches - however, this would leave fewer explanations of what the Wargear /does/ and I'm not so sure you want that.
>Tempted to do a Fairy Tail update and just set the start time earlier so it ends after the Tartaros arc, because honestly this is getting nuts and it doesn't look like the manga will E.N.D. anytime soon.
>On that note, tempted to add a
+600 Acnologia Hates You Drawback
Maguilty Sense for S-Class Table? Maybe even A-Class?
>Waiting for Bravely Second to reach NA
>Ray Sphere radiation awoke powers in people who had the Conduit Gene. And apparently the planetary EMP killed the active ones
Does this mean Jumpers who've done Conduit can be OHKO'd via similar methods?
>The only person who has kept any form of rational thought while using it has been Bane
Is this like Captain America and his shield, or is it just because everyone who isn't an idiot is either smart enough to give it a wide berth or powerful enough in their own right to not need it?
Godsdammit Eldrad. Continuity drawback with LoT, perhaps? It'd just be like the elfy dick to remember your face from that time you were powerless and human
>everyone who isn't an idiot is either smart enough to give it a wide berth or powerful enough in their own right to not need it?
There's something to be said for that.
However, if I remember right even regular folks when injected with it go full RAEG. Like said, Bane is the only one who has been able to get the buff and keep his senses. Also, see: >>45324523
Technically speaking, I didn't start this - I just picked it up when it was dropped and quickly found that I've had uneven levels of productivity on it. Some days I can expand it and Age of Empires III DLC/Scenario with ease, other days I can barely see the point.
What are some patrons you guys picked for the DF Job Offer after the jump?
I went with Amaterasu from Okami for the rest of my chain. I just like brush techniques and she's not a douchebag so yeah.
I know you just picked up the ball, but I needed an Eldar jump for completion sake.
The funny thing is, outside of /jc/ I'm not a big 40k fan. I've tried reading the novels and it just didn't appeal to me, and I'm not in a position to collect the mini's right now.
But 40k has become such a huge part of my run that if I didn't have this Eldar jump it would have felt really out of place.
The Wargear was my biggest headache before I gave the jump up. The fact that your gear so heavily depends on your Path. That unlike the Dark Eldar they really don't have a too wide assortment of gear goodies.
If you want my advice. Put it all as a single item "Wargear", make the first one free related to your Aspect. Discounted for every purchase after. I would put It at 400cp, so you can cover the base of it not being too expensive for non-aspects Warriors & it being too cheap for Aspect Warriors.
Considering you get decent armor, a good weapon, and maybe other gear depending on the Aspect. Which is pretty good for 400cp.
Nah see-that works because you're subtracting a subtraction i.e. not doing heresy to not do heresy. This is more like adding a negative to a positive i.e. adding an Eldar to a SoB.
> I was an SoB and she was an Eldar.
So. . . in order to make this work:
>Sister of Battle (female)
>> negative * negative = positive
>Start in 40k 'verse
>>negative * positive = negative
>Go to Sigmar
>>negative * negative = positive
Yeah, you fucked up. If you would have honeymooned in Sigmar you coulda saved her.
Well I'm sure Wakfu isn't gonna leave out details.
Sisters of battle squad
Canoness Selena Agna
Klatchian Coffee, nothing like getting a good knurd on.
And for proper "drinks" 40 oz mugs of The Four Horsemen, typically chased with other weird shit I find.
I've Covered wars you know!
Oratory, being an excellent speaker is a requirement of my job, both the calming machine spirits part, and leading a bunch of lunkheads in prayer part.
Well, not HUMAN paladin, but.
Supernatural (Angel or Hunter)
Highschool DxD (Angel)
Dark Souls (PRAISE THE SUN)
Darksiders (Angel again, or possibly rider)
And of course, the various D&D jumps.
Great, eldrad fucking around with my Harlequin shenanigans. What could go wrong?
okay, you can do this It's going to be Immoral,expensive, wasteful, And requires three specific things from three specific jumpsto not have been done yet , but you should have time. 1. Dodgeball has "She's not a lesbian" Which opens up other people too including you in whatever their sexuality is 2. One of the secret endings of dishonored lets you Bestow any one specific ability of yours on eight people. 3. Gravity falls has a true love potion. So bestow. She's not a lesbian on both of them then Does them with the true love potion when they are looking at each other.
Actually, I wasn't thinking of Cate's Galadriel; that's a little too ethereal, and a lot too Farseer. I was thinking of either Irina Spalko or Gabriel.
>before being an immoral idiot about it
Eh, some things are inevitable. Grass grows, birds fly, Bancho is the worst
It's what I usually do, actually.
I bungled my first few attempts at helping the main characters with meta-knowledge, and soon came to realize how big, flashy jumper shenanigans could make trouble for everyone else, so I always take the time to consider all the possible consequences of my actions before upsetting the Jump.
Except for resident evil. I hunted Wesker across the globe with zombie cyborg T-rexs with fricken' laser beams on their heads.
Still pretty applicable on both fronts
Powerful enough to take on an entire military force. She can sense the locations of stuff around her, stop bullets, hurl around tanks, take control of machinery, create masses of iron sand that can vibrate like chainsaws, launch metallic objects at mach 3 by touching them, etc.
See >>45326987. There have been two exceptions, though.
In MCU we ended up getting the nickname Starlord after an incident that involved dunking a miniature sun. Peter Quill was almost as livid as we were when he found out. It's not like we even wanted the stupid identity name.
In Worm, we registered as Uncaped Baldy after an incident involving trying to make contact with the Simurgh by blasting her with Angel telepathy. It quickly devolved into a freaked out Endbringer and rapid fire Hallelujah-ray soul-shouting.
I was told my Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern costume was not terrible enough for the bad costume drawback, so I'm basing my new one off of Forbush Man. Only instead of an F, there's this thing, and instead of boots, I'm barefoot.
I've gone full Father so most jumps I don't even really appear in public. The closest things I've got to a cape name are Him, Dad and That Asshole.
Symbol...I guess the Red Stone of Aja? You know, just the red jewel with a cross inside.
This seems nice. I mean, I COULD just take the guys I like as companions, but these guys are pretty powerful, and it'd feel cheap to do so. So I just wanna hang with them, maybe play a 10,000 hour endurance match of Mahjong in time-stasis.
Actually no this isn't true because you can't take things out and keep them out. That burns the magic of the book and very bad things happen.
You can also only pull out items you can fit though the book itself, giving it a size limit. But eventually you have to put it back. Its much better to take it out and put it back.
Then only take them out when you need them. Not like you can't just take them out again and again once used. Even if each book only gives you one copy of what you want, if it's a bestseller you'll have thousands upon thousands of copies of the book to pick from.
Just print a really damn big book. Shitty limitation.
Only works when you have time to get said book, its hardly going to be that easy and if it is, then its no easier than say making the item and having a weapon teleporting system to give it to you. You can't even use it to retro-engineer the item.
>Just print a really damn big book. Shitty limitation.
Doesn't work, it doesn't count as the book itself because the magic is literally imbued in the book from its collective readers. You would know this had you read the link already posted.
Some dude who tried to claim kinesis from Marvel would basically let you do this libriokinesis magic stuff, except without any of the limitations
Both before and after Marvel Anon blatently told him that's not how it works.
Not him, but...can't you just print a really big book and distribute it on a new world? Use leadership perks and whatnot to make big books the new fashion trend?
Why can't you retro-engineer the item? Even if it's a magic construct surely you can examine its' physical components?
But it also expressly says that if you can get people to read the oversized book then the magic will go to it. You are a Jumper. There are perks expressly for making things fashionable. Do the fucking math.
here's a question for a novice jumpchainer. when you jumpchain into a video-game world, say the Demon's Souls jump chain, would everything be the way it is in the game?
eg. enviroments, enemy placements and all the rest
Since your here I have a question about the Shadow Ops jump.
Does the 'Taking this perk supercedes the Latent Training and Suppression Training perls, Sensing ability,' part of Incredible Control perks completely mean there's no benefit of taking any of those other perks if you take the Incredible Control perk, or is it just 'these both do similar stuff but this ones better'?
I think this one's solid fanwank area, really. Up to you, I guess.
Just remember-it ain't actually a vidya. On the plus side, that means you don't necessarily have to worry about being ganked by red phantoms as frequently.
>lay out 50 square foot hugeass book
>claim it's an avant garde modern art piece
>pay people individually 5 dollars an hour to read it.
Also that doesn't change the rate of char on a book. A Martian heat beam was enough to burn a book for decades. You are not pulling out a gundam no matter how many people you get to read kaiju sized books.
So where are the best Jumps to pick up some bonafide witchcraft?
I thought char burns the book, not the caster
And besides. You're saying that like durability (Worm, DC alien line etc) /magic capacity (Thousand Master from Negima, Magic Body from Elona etc) perks don't exist
Eh, to be fair I don't know the series...at all.
There's items to remove a lot of the load in the jump, take some time to build up bunches of magical energy and get whatever book you want really popular. Seems like it'd make a gundam possible to me, with enough effort.
Surprised you're trying to limit people so much given how you usually wank these things. Are you perhaps trying to get this thing excused no matter what? Wouldn't be a first.
found a loophole in the DeS jumpchain.
>take drawback that makes your world prime hunting grounds for black phantoms
>spend all 10 years in soul form
>earn 300 free CP and never see any negatives
Narnia, Harry Potter, Madoka Magicka, Discworld, Merlin, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Banjo Kazooie, Dresden, and Elder Scrolls, I think.
What type of witchcraft are you looking for, again?
Char burns the book. However the caster's physical body also takes strain. Although your right but then how far to you intend to push it? The bigger the effect the bigger the cost so yes sure your get more with insane durability or regen perks. But then when we start adding perks to other perks just what doesn't turn into craziness? I mean jumpers do that all the time what is different about this combo?
Dude, dude it's chill. It's clear at this point nobody sensible thinks it'll work, we're just toying with the thought experiment a little longer before next thread.
Been a while since I've played DS, but doesn't soul form take energy or something?
Also there is a very big negative you've forgotten: Being unable to interact with other people normally.
...I almost forgot which site I was on for a second.
Personally if I were going to go through the effort of printing giant books, I'd spend it on novelizing comic books instead. Cosmic Cube, Infinity Gauntlet, every color of Lantern Ring, Dream's Regalia, and so on.
Yup, that was weird. Little to do with the jump though, especially since Garden was assuming something like platonic Librokinesis, where you can do everything with no hassle or downsides.
Yeah, that was weird. I wonder if he just dropped the name or left. Only time I've seen someone use Superpower wiki as anything other than a random power generator.
Don't forget Master of Magic and Mushoku Tensei. Especially not Mushoku Tensei if you get Leaky Limiter.
But that aside, there's plenty of jumps that provide an infinite amount of magic where the limit is simply how fast you can cast; Magicka, for instance, where you can cast as many spells as you like as fast as you can assemble them, or Harry Potter, where you can cast until your arm gets tired and your voice hoarse. Or longer, if you can manage wandless silent casting.
You can already become a reality warping vampire just by picking the Vampire option in the jump and choosing True Ancestor, given that Type Moon works have gotten several novelisations. Going into light novel stuff would get you access to some pretty crazy shit.
Check up a couple posts. See: The God-Apple, or Scholastic's new cheat-other-magic-systems-of-their-limitations series of books.
>what doesn't turn into craziness
Practically nothing, but nothing lets you make any item from any jump either.
Just so we're clear: I'm just bantering/retreading old ground. There's nothing you can say to really convince me this stuff's acceptable in any way after having read the limits and discussed 'em earlier today.
I was about to try and argue that jumps should be balanced internally, but then I stopped to think of why both of these discussions even began.
So, time for something completely different.
Why is knowing how to build a death ray that can blow up planets a-ok, but being strong enough to do so basically forbidden?
Not entirely serious with this question.
Mushoku Tensei is one of those jumps where you need to stack on those drawbacks.
That was a fun time though, I was a loli swordswitch dedicated to becoming one of the top three beings in the setting with no prior powers. Took a few centuries, but I eventually managed.
Sure but what isn't possible for a jumper with enough effort?
You want to get a book popular on many planets and have enough physical perks to do something insane with it? Ok so is that any different then making pledges with a planet or Red's garden? Its still a lot of work. Just as much as any elder jumper project.
. >. Are you perhaps trying to get this thing excused no matter what? Wouldn't be a first.
Your accusation would ring truer if you actually read the book in question.
Is it forbidden? Hell, if anything I reckon people really undersell knowledge/science stuff. I understand why though, it's hard for mundane people to wrap their head around some fictional super science thing so we end up sticking to what gets shown in canon but still, science perks and knowledge is stronker then a lot of people realise at lower levels.
>jumps should be balanced internally
No, that's a fair principle to stick by. But if I've learned anything from 600+ threads of this silliness, it's that common sense should provide exceptions for principles.
well you are a bit more squishy, but you hit a bit harder and your movements make no noise so you can more easily remain unnoticed should you want to.
about the interactions... hm. you are able to grasp weapons, wear armor and open doors as normal. also converse with people, as in evident by the crestfallen warrior. so i'm not so sure it would apply.
yep, if that was clarified it would not be 300 free CP.
>as much as any elder jumper project
Except we don't need dozens or hundreds of jumps to do it. We need a bit of money, some skill in writing some dreck that appeals to teens and that's it. Maybe a few perks to give you more magic but even that's only a half dozen jumps to get the good stuff. Try harder man.
>are you perhaps trying to get this thing excused no matter what
Not him, but why're you arguing FOR the setting so hard? I rather doubt you'll make any headway after some of us talked it over a couple threads earlier
Also the difference is: Neither OAA nor Red's combo would let them completely replace the item sections in future jumps for a fixed magic cost.
Hmm...that's a potential problem. Let's ignore for a moment here, that since Libromancy is the "main draw" of the setting, most people are going to immediately gun for that option, especially if they don't really care for the setting otherwise.
If we accept that Libromancy can create anything within a piece of fiction and make it real, then either future IPs have to be chosen from things that cannot be made into books in order to preserve the validity of items, or items should be made with functions that surpass/are different from canon, or the items section should be done away with altogether.
Of course, the most obvious flaw with this line of thought is that jumpmaking should never take into consideration another jump - much less another jump's perk in mind. But when the perk's implications are this massive, then suddenly ignoring its existence becomes all that much harder. If you end up adding a full line of items that can be libromanced for free...what then?
The "cost" of libromancy is negligible. If it is made into a perk, people will use it. If the cost is prohibitive, people will see it as a trap perk and condemn it. If the cost isn't prohibitive, people will see it as the most effective option and will always find a way around it. That's just the nature with perks as it is.
One of the things I'm pushing for in the other thread is just having the ban list continue to be maintained post jump. Although remember that fuel is limited and that persistent effects are vulnerable to disruption. Admittedly it might just be too meta to work well, but there are quite a few limiting factors. Especially since you have to do research and setup all over again in any significantly divergent earth and may just be screwed in settings with limited literacy and/or no easy mass printing. Also trying to push for removal or alteration of the vampire option so it doesn't have quite as much possibility of permanently handing out ridiculous powers from another jump.
It's a flexible magic system but not an omnipotent one. The real issue is the packaging.
You can 'go hollow' without going fully insane. That is, you can be a shriveled up zombozo without being one of the crazy ones. It's a process.
Like the PC and those two undead merchants, who are batshit but not entirely lost and mindless.
>Not him, but why're you arguing FOR the setting so hard? I rather doubt you'll make any headway after some of us talked it over a couple threads earlier
1. I'm not, at least not by my standards. None of you have really seen me debate anything seriously.
2. I love how most discussions on this thread always seem to have a expiration date. Must you always decide something once and then never listen to anyone input on a matter? When said discussion is obviously missing actual information on the magic system from the novel?
>Also the difference is: Neither OAA nor Red's combo would let them completely replace the item sections in future jumps for a fixed magic cost.
The only way that works is if you removing several restrictions on the way it works. And you've not really described how outside of perks you won't actually tell me they are.
Also make sure the collective magic is restricted to the new universe you are in. Then there is no way to do what you claim unless you get thousands if not millions to read giant books of every fictional setting you can think of. Thats a bit more work than a couple of perks.
And that, in a nutshell, is pretty much why I just don't think it's best not to make it a jump.
I feel like I've said it like 3 times but it'd work fine as a regular CYOA, just not a jump.
It does, indeed, seem to be a book series
Good effort, but all things considered-and you can agree to disagree-but as mentioned earlier I just don't think it'd work as a jump at all even accounting for those limits.
Best advice you can really give them is make it a regular CYOA. SB doesn't differentiate between jumpchain and general CYOA threads, right? Just tell him to rebrand it as a normal CYOA and everything will be fine
>Must you always decide something once and then never listen to anyone input on a matter?
Obligatory where do you think you are joke aside, I've said several times I at least have already read the post on SB talking about the system's limitations and I'm still not convinced.
And hey man, you don't like talking to us-nobody's stopping you from going back to your own board.
>Thats a bit more work than a couple of perks.
Twilight had millions of readers and it's a piece of pandering crap. Just use one perk to make big books fashionable and write something along the lines of Twilight and bam, millions of readers reading your big books.
It's just...well, really bad example, but let's look at DC and Marvel. Both jumps have options for the tech type hero and the big punchy guy. In both jumps, going for raw power will put you comfortably at street/city level. But with super science, you've got a chance of playing at the big leagues by copying Batman/Reed Richards and working with plot devices instead of actually fighting.
But yeah, now that I think of it, DBZ being the only pure endjump and people staying under that powerlevel might be coloring my views. There's also Yu Yu Hakusho. Even if you get to S Class (implied planetary destruction), you get forced back down to A Class (shown to let you destroy mountains) until you Spark.
>Must you always decide something once and then never listen to anyone input on a matter?
Yes, because otherwise it's unending shitstorms. Putting our foot down on stupid debates is the only way things will stay civil.
Not him, but-you're not even wrong. Nerds IRL alone make plasma hotter than the sun and create temperatures colder than anything observable in nature, I'm totally fine with being a nerd.
The sad part is that the motivation for going big punchy guy is less than for being tech type.
Look at Halo for example. You can be a Spartan and kill all the things but then it's literally just that. If you went techy, then you can make UNSC spaceships, be able to reverse engineer Covenant tech and get plasma guns.
Now, I've just met this guy and I have no way to judge him just from a few posts
That said, he does seem awfully defensive for someone who's blithely ignoring an entire discussion on the topic that happened earlier in the thread
It's a catch 22 where the author can never please a majority, because there's no visible majority here except a group debating whether it should even be allowed on the drive in the first place.
If Libromancy is hard nerfed - somebody will argue that the perk has been rendered useless.
If Libromancy is given soft limitations that have workarounds - that'll be seen as "Grab workarounds ASAP".
If Libromancy is given nonnegotiable limitations - the author is still going to anger somebody and workarounds will still be developed.
If Libromancy is offered at no limitations - we see the above arguments against it.
But...all of this is focused on a single perk, in a jump which should have at least 12/16. Let's say that this is the capstone - the author should then have 3 other capstones that are equally "flexible" to Libromancy. It's not a difficult thing to do, but it's a question of whether the setting itself supports that many capstones. At the moment from the looks of it, the other caps aren't especially noteworthy, Libromancy is a shoe-in choice unless the jumper is following a specific aesthetic or is very interested in the setting.
When all of the discussion of your jump boils down to a single perk, it becomes easy to hide things inside other options. I'll leave that as a last note.
Three step combo for making things published.
1) Virtuoso from Fallen London. Specialize in something BESIDES novels.
2) Adaptionator from Princess Bride. Get the best possible novelization of whatever your work is.
Then add in Thousand Master from Negima, Big Bucket from Slayers, either of the casting boosters from Dresden, Golden Stud from Chrono Trigger, or anything else >>45328177 or >>45328302 pointed out to actually use it.
Oh I agree with you quite a bit on that last note. A devious method I've employed before.
That said, if this perk is a must grab then this place sounds like The Gamer, basically. It's not viable as a jump.
In a long term environment, the ability to create is always better than mere strength alone. The scope of strength is larger than the scope of creation initially, but quickly falls flat if both elements are taken to extremes in terms of time and resource availability.
Calm down, dude?
I mean, you're not even wrong but.
The thing is, when that perk is such a big factor the key issue really is much simpler than that.
>Can't find my notes.
Guess I'll start over, it was all obvious shit anyway.
Oh there's a fair few other issues in the jump. The Vampire/Werewolf one is raised a few posts above in that it can get pretty ridiculous if you go into certain properties. The sympathetic magic cap is crazy strong and the Hivemind reads as a sort of limited way to get a ton of extra lives at a small cost to magic power. There's probably a lot more but in the end none of it really matters when it seems like the majority of people here would rather it not be made at all on the basis of it just having libriomancy.
Keep in mind your still limited to how popular examples are in our world to the amount of char/weakness of a body. A good example is how taking out a single use of a martian heat beam out of war of the worlds nearly killed the user and charred the book.
And you are still restricted to the amount of magic said books have been shown to have.
twilight vamps are a thing in the libroverse by the way.
Not a single response on this thread seems to take any of those restrictions into account and simply wave them away, so I'm not convinced you have.
>And hey man, you don't like talking to us-nobody's stopping you from going back to your own board.
Hey man I like debating subjects all day long, I actually find this debate enjoyable I just find logical issue with the idea you've already discussed the matter so no new discussion should or can take place is silly. If you don't like it you can always go to a forum where I can't post on the matter. But as long as you have it here on /tg/ on 4chan I can review it all I want.
In a nutshell, Megacorp is from Spacebattles /jc/ which we are not on the best of terms with.
Interactions between us are basically salt, bitching, more salt, and refusals to listen to each other.
I employ it all the time. Making massive jumps lets me put in perks for things I want even while offering enough choices to let people believe there's a semblance of choice involved. Granted, my goals aren't as crazy as Red's Garden or some of the other name jumper's stuff, so often the perks sneak by regardless...but I've pretty much made sure that with 25 odd jumps I always have a good foundation. Jumpmaker hacks ahoy.
The Gamer was a disaster in conception. The author refused to wait for more of the major plot to reveal itself, and now that the plot is slowly starting to take a turn, things are breaking at its seams. This isn't even considering its inherent balance issues. If he gave it time to actually mature, a lot of the problems could have been solved.
>Thousand Master from Negima, Big Bucket from Slayers, either of the casting boosters from Dresden, Golden Stud from Chrono Trigger
Do those perks affect your own magic or anothers? Because several of them I know won't work because libromancy doesn't use your own magical reserves, but those of the collective humanity.
>>I just find logical issue with the idea you've already discussed the matter so no new discussion should or can take place is silly
The funny thing is, you're not even wrong.
But sensible people realise trying to change by telling everyone to shut up and listen to you is like trying to fight the ocean. You just end up tired and salty without getting anything done.
Glad to hear you accept it's never going on the drive, at least.
Have fun with your futile attempt at convincing people you're right.
Oh, and for the sake of argument I'd like to clarify that of all of those, only the casting boosters from Dresden arguably affect anothers' due to the nature of DF magic.
And now you're in for a deluge of alternates from other people so-have fun with that, I guess.
Can't you just use one of those perks to hand your own stuff out? Something like Echidna or the Wakfu thing to make Thousand Master a widespread thing over millions of people, even at a reduced level that'd be pretty crazy.
I'm just listing out what happens based on different approaches to balancing the jump, since like it or not it's going to get made anyways. At best it doesn't make the drive and that's about it.
>and may just be screwed in settings with ... no easy mass printing.
Hahahano. Introduce mass printing technology and have the first examples be books you've produced (quite possibly religious texts). Easy mass readership.
First off that was very big of you to admit this conversation against me isn't sensible. But I must admit I'm not that sensible either. I love debating and discussion and I've come to discuses something I've come to enjoy. And in fact if anything this makes me want to come here more not less. Because whats the point in having a debate with people without strong opinions?
You certainly can, yes.
There's not really much point in continuing this exchange further though. Either he's cruisin' to ruse like other anon suggested, or he's sincere in just wanting to debate for its' own sake so you'll just keep on going for a while-unless like him, you enjoy debating for the sake of it.
Yep, I'm retarded. Somehow, the whole "go to the demon world or King Enma murders you" thing became that in my memory. Might have somehow put it together with the Companion caps in my mind.
Kinda appropriate considering I'm arguing for strength over intelligence.
True enough, the 'debate' seems to have been decided a while ago anyway.
Any case, question time. What are your thoughts on submarines guys? You got any? What are they like?