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>Dex to hit and damage solves the issue completely
>being a caster solves the issue completely
Why slather yourself in gore when you can get other people to do that for you AND make them better at it or heal them so they can do it longer?
2hu can be really annoying with their posts at times. I think last I saw there was a poll saying 6 wanted them gone, 6 didn't. Of course that's with like 30-40 posters in the thread.
>paranoid witch hunt against typing styles
When did /pfg/ go even lower down the shitter?
Remember, 2hufag had legions of guys trolling his threads even when he was giving legit 4e analysis and sharing PDFs bought with his money.
Lots of it is irrational 'I dun like the way he writes!'
Personally for me, it's the fact that he keeps on posting the same questions over and over in threads no matter how many people answer. The tier list bullshit was about the time I lost patience with him.
Of course now we're just arguing about him instead of about tiers, wooooooooooops.
>+1 LUCK bonus to all saves (easily boosted to +2 with a trait)
>Solid selection of racial features to fit most any build
Humans are good and everything but I think HOrcs might be a contender for the "you can't go wrong with this race for any build" title.
I don't think you get how general threads work.
If you ask a question and you get no replies or like 1 meaningless reply, why aren't you going to try again next thread?
I've seen lots of guys repeating their questions that got buried. You're just mad because you saw someone post something you've already seen ONCE and that got your feathers ruffled.
He even donated money when DSP needed help with medical bills and asked /pfg/ what it wanted the new discipline to be. Plane Crasher, wasn't it? I really don't understand how anyone justifies hating him when he's fairly objectively a better person than most people in the thread and did more to help Pathfinder, DSP, and /pfg/ than everyone else barring maybe five, ten people.
2hu was also the guy who first made the pastebin. Here's proof.
Every time you post the pastebin, you're posting something 2hu made.
Like the DSP team hasn't wanted to murder whoever keeps asking to make tower shields viable or to make CHA harbingers. Bet they would if we were easily identifiable by the pictures we use.
Are you retarded or a fucking liar? His mother willingly paid for it as a Christmas gift. Gareth has repeatedly, specifically said there's no blacklist and he wouldn't be on it even if there were.
Are you the same faggot who keeps lying about this shit? Why are you this obsessed with 2hufag? Do you have nothing better to live for?
It's like bronies, anon.
Sure they have quite a few charity events and shit, and they're pretty nice (as far as I've seen). But everyone still shits on them 'cause they're fucking bronies.
Thus, everyone will forever shit on 2hu because he posts 2hu.
I'm the one who started the bitching about touhoufag in this thread (for which I apparently sincerely need to apologize), but I gotta say you're wrong, bro. The money was a Christmas present. Touhoufag's mom didn't approve, but he certainly didn't steal from her.
>tier list bullshit
Haven't we already agreed that the tier list we've got is shit?
It's putting psychics in tier 1 and bumping up half caster classes to tier 2 just because they get extra spells.
Well to a degree yes. Some half-casters got buffed up for other reasons. But there are some issues with it and it could do with an update. For example, the Psychic's placement had a significant amount to do with the playtest where it had different amplifications.
Yeah, 12 people out of what, I've seen 50 at peak times. Wow, that's a great sample size, faglord. Also, what the fuck does consensus have to do with anything? This isn't a democracy, the moderators are the only ones with power, 2hufag can do literally whatever he wants. Even if he chooses to stay away it's only because he's displaying more courtesy than you are right now.
Fuck all of you, stop arguing about shitposters.
Instead, tell me about which NPCs you've successfully done lewd things with.
You know that like 10% of all posts in /pfg/ are someone reposting something they asked about in a previous thread but got buried or joke-replied to, right?
Touhoufag just does it identifiably. If everyone else did it identifiably, you'd be bitching at them too for reposting a question once. ONCE.
And we don't even know for sure if the guy who didn't like APs was 2hu, you paranoid dick.
Had to play the visual novel version just to get my happy ending ;-;
That's kind of what I'm saying. If your class/build is feat hungry human usually edges out.
If not? HOrc all the way. Sacred Tattoo is really, REALLY good for classes that your group really don't want failing a will save (barbarian) or if you want to make a monk or paladin more untouchable.
I don't care about men, I want gnomes, just not those tantrum gnomes.
Why are you so obsessed with him? At this rate you're becoming a worse shitposter than he is, and he actually contributed to the thread a few times. Unlike you. Seriously, step back and consider this. Right now you're literally worse than the guy known for being a mega-autistic faggot. YOU'RE the shitposter and you need to go.
Speaking of tier bullshit.
Any classes that would get bumped up a tier due to having a Map of the Mind? Aka item of once a week Psychic Reformation that isn't augmented.
Dude, it was one faggot that reposted a shitty post, and managed to turn you and everyone else ITT into faggots that can't stop discussing the person behind it.
Just stop. Please.
I can do without a corgi familiar, I just wanna play a fae knight riding a corgi. I want that DSP fae book.
Not pathfinder, but my proudest moment in shadowrun was
getting nailedby this guy.
Nah, the ones who did aren't really anonymous and generally easy to spot, like QANON, DrowAnon, or Downtime God. Actually-anonymous anons have collectively made fewer contributions than 2hou. They're also likely responsible for 100x more shjtposting than 2hu.
And perhaps Touhou makes far more contributions than you realize, because not every single post they write is accompanied by Touhou images, and the ones that aren't are simply acknowledged as the efforts of "an Anon"? It isn't like they have a tripcode, you know.
Touhou hasn't homebrewed anything for /pfg/. The one time he tried to he begged all of /pfg/ for ideas on a book he was contracted to write, broke the contract, and then bitched at all of /pfg/ and blamed it on us.
>They're also likely responsible for 100x more shjtposting than 2hu.
I admit it, I shitpost gnomes, I'm sorry.
>all this shitposting
So guys, how about them Grippli?
Didn't he blame it on the guy who owns SoP having incredibly shitty business practices, which were later verified? Quantity > quality, refusal to do QA or errata, general idiocy and ivory tower design?
Tokyo Jungle, a video game where you play as animals in a post human tokyo,though not really based in real life the starting predator (a Pomeranian) can sneak kill and instagib hyenas.
I think frog people are an okay idea, I guess? But I can't see them as a race anyone would really want to play or explore so they're just kinda...there for me.
in b4 someone posts Frog and some sort of vaguely paladin-ish screed about adventure and justice.
>Didn't he blame it on the guy who owns SoP having incredibly shitty business practices, which were later verified? Quantity > quality, refusal to do QA or errata, general idiocy and ivory tower design?
Was never verified, shitlord. All of it is 2hu badmouthing the SoP guy groundlessly.
That's another thing, 99% of 2hu's posts have been bitching about SoP.
SoP sucks this, SoP sucks that, SoP sucks everything. He can't post about anything else but how SoP is shitty.
It's why /pfg/ got driven away from SoP. It's a great system but 2hu gave it a bad name.
The guy literally came to 4chan and answered questions about that, though, didn't he? And it's kind of been verified by his forum posts about balance and how we never have any fucking errata.
Nah, he's too fucking stupid to figure out 4chan, according to the handbook writer who had to try and walk him through posting.
PS4, you unlock animals through challenges and you breed into longer generations to last as long as possible, I lasted you year 50. You start with the Pomeranian and the Sika Deer.
Now this brings me back to an on topic thought.
Druid Wildshape, last I tried it out, I did significantly less for my party and it didn't add much damage, did I just read the ability wrong or is wildshape lackluster?.
Fuck off and die, go through the archives if you really care.
The guy who actually did write a handbook and was not 2hu said the same thing, Touhoufag never said a thing about Myers' ability to browse 4chan, idiot.
Purrrrrrrrrrrrretty sure you're wrong, though I admit I'm probably wrong about it ONLY being touhoufag and just wanted to make a dumb joke that people are really going full on second shooter about this.
pls forgive, anon
QANON DOESN'T BELIEVE THEY ARE IN A POSITION TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON ANY ASSHOLES, SHITTERS OR OTHERWISE. QANON DOES NOT CARE ABOUT MUCH BEYOND CHILDLIKE GLEE AT A NEW CHARACTER OPTION.
QANON ALSO THINKS YOU ARE TRYING WAY TOO HARD TO ROUSE THE PORCH AND TITCHFORK MOB, AND POINTS YOU TO THE "WE ARE NOT YOUR PERSONAL ARMY" ENGRAVED ON THE VERY FUCKING FABRIC OF THE WEBSITE.
Same level you would a spell on a 9th prepared caster.
On an initiator you can learn 1st level maneuvers at 1, 2nd at level 3, 3rd at 5 etc...
Non-initiators have an initiating level equal to half their character level for learning maneuvers. So a Fighter 4/Warder 1 would be initiator level 3 for maneuver learning letting them learn 2nd level maneuvers.
Don't forget that higher level maneuvers have a manuver known requirement.
>multiple people have defended him
>Personally for me, it's the fact that he keeps on posting the same questions over and over in threads no matter how many people answer. The tier list bullshit was about the time I lost patience with him.
This is fucking damning.
2hu thinks the tier list is shit. Can you believe that? The tier list's been agreed on by /pfg/ community consensus.
From what I recall it was that the tier list needs to be re-organized.
>Personally for me, it's the fact that he keeps on posting the same bitching about 2hou over and over in threads no matter how many people respond. The 2hou bitching bullshit was about the time I lost patience with him.
YOU KNOW WHAT? SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ME EITHER, AM I COWERING ON MY (GLORIOUS AND AWE-INSPIRING) PDF THRONE AND WAITING IN TERROR FOR THE CRUSADE? NO, BECAUSE MOST OF US HERE ARE ADULTS, OKAY? ADULTS IGNORE THE THINGS THEY DON'T LIKE
YOU'RE ACTING LIKE A GODDAMN TUMBLR RIGHT NOW. WEH TOHO IS PROBLEMATIC TOHO ANNOYS ME TOHO HURTS MY FEELS
GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER, PUT IT IN A SHIT SACK, AND FLING IT THE HELL INTO THE OCEAN, BECAUSE GROW THE FUCK UP HOLY HELL
Then how come when 2hu mentioned wanting to reorganize the tier list, everyone in /pfg/ shouted him down (rightfully so) because the tier list we have is just fine?
It means Touhou is wrong and anyone who thinks the tier list doesn't matter is an idiot.
So, the fluff between the Summoner and the Spiritualist seems closely related and the functionality is similar.
If you had to choose to play one (sans archetypes), which would you play?
Because you're a [profanity]ing [profanity] who can't think for himself, you Apple-buying sheeple.
Touhou is right and anyone who thinks he isn't a pure cinnamon roll is an idiot. Fuck you, fag.
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>On top of that its presentation is an eyesore, and very much presents as something written by an individual rather than any sort of community consensus.
This is why 2hu was an idiot for wanting to redo the tier list. The one we have is community consensus.
I WANT /MLP/ TO GO AND STAY GO
For a lot of people they're used to more restrictive games where they're forced to be the goodie goodie Hero. So they go insane with freedom when they realize they have next to no restrictions on their actions in a ttg.
Usually they grow out of it.
Hello, /pfg/. I have found a new game, and it allows Leadership. I wish to create several romantic interests, and as /pfg/ seems experienced with waifus, I thought I would turn here. How should I best represent the women in the picture ingame?
I do not understand. Romance seems a popular topic in these threads. If it is because of the Touhou image, I only posted it for reference and I am no longer posting them as frequently as I once did.
Zero testing, developers don't care and just want to shove more books in a blatant money grab, the developers were IN THIS THREAD and basically spit in peoples faces when they gave criticism and told people to just buy more books like a good goy.
The core book is okay, good if you like that sort of thing, outside of summoning, weather, and a few other issues. The archetypes in the second book were okay, nothing special.
Everything after that is trash, including the company.
>developers were IN THIS THREAD and basically spit in peoples faces when they gave criticism and told people to just buy more books like a good goy
When did this happen? Was it Adam himself?
I sometimes make classes and one criticism that makes me want to rip people's lungs out is "It's not balanced with core."
Who gives a fuck? If it's not balanced with core then that's your problem, not mine. I ban core because of it being shit.
No, the one we have is the work of one guy PRESENTED AS the community consensus. If we did have a consensus, that would be pretty close to it, but it's not the consensus, no-one else has just so far cared enough to get it replaced(except 2hufag who gave up when it became clear that his attempt wouldn't be the consensus either).
Can black dragons be trusted to any extent?
My party just beat down a pair of young black dragons, and since I began the encounter by trying to negotiate with them, they begged for their lives when their HP dropped to single digits. Despite the protests of the other, lawful good party members (I'm TN), I agreed to spare their lives if they surrendered immediately and agreed to help us. They complied.
Our cleric channeled positive energy and they got a dozen hitpoints back, and then we ended the session.
I figured that since most of my spells have been exhausted at this point in the dungeon, their breath weapons would more than make up for my diminished firepower, while at the same time the dragons are low enough on HP that they can be dispatched very quickly should they turn on us.
You get experience points and the assistance of two dragons. They're about as trustworthy as cornered foxes who just ate the macguffin, but like you said, killing them would be effortless.
But we can't really be objective on the matter. We're clearly not trying to make an objective tier list, but a subjective one, tailored to the board. I fail to see why asking the board is a bad idea.
The question wasn't about making an objectively good tier list, it was about making tier list based on the community consensus. So polls(executed properly) are the exact right way of figuring it out.
You know, I absolutely would not put it past him to spend an hour loudly hating himself in order to drum up an array of "ah, well, he's not SO bad" to make him feel better about himself.
Yeah, though we'd probably want to go one book at a time. I'd say Core, Base, Hybrid, Occult, and fold Alternate and Unchained together. Leave each batch up for about three days.
I don't know the limitations of strawpoll having never made polls with it, but I'd imagine we could cover most of it with seven or eight polls(1 for each of the six tiers, one for +tier archetypes and one for misc) and a lot of discussion for starters.
In my dreams, we're talking about feasibly optimized, aka something you could sit down with at a table and not get a dirty look from the DM the instant he saw your character sheet.
Knowing us, however, we're probably talking full on TO.
If they survive until we exit the dungeon, my plan is to take them back to the town we're trying to save from the undead in the cave we found them in and get them to join the town guard, which has been severely depleted by the constant undead attacks.
My theory is that since they're intelligent creatures, they'll understand that by cooperating with the town, they'll get easy and plentiful access to food, protection from other evil creatures and roving adventurers, and potentially great wealth if the town prospers.
Sure, being chaotic evil will make that a bit of a challenge, but evil people thrive in society all the time, even in law enforcement. Plus the threat of retaliation from the kingdom's government or adventurers should they slip up should potentially keep them in check.
In theory, the tier list merely assumes that everyone at the table is optimized at similar levels. In practice, it's some nebulous level of "average" optimization, where heavily optimized characters can sometimes go up a tier and poorly optimized characters can sometimes go down a tier(or even multiple tiers, for cases like healbot cleric or wizard who ever only uses blasting spells).
Since people are complaining so much about the tier list, I've created a quick Survey so we can get this sorted out
Whoever is going to make the next thread, can they add this to the OP so we can get this shit sorted out eventually?
We have a tierlist. It works. It's reasonably accurate. The only thing people are arguing about is touhoufag, and how when HE tried to redo the tier list, he was WRONG to do it and it wasn't necessary.
In that case fuckhead, add your opinion and copy the exact tier list from the current one like the mouthy pleb speaking for everyone you are.
YOU might agree with the current tier list, that doesn't mean everyone does and it never killed anyone to double check that the opinion of the community actually is the opinion of the community.
Rather than just a few loud fucks within the community.
Even though the person asking for that shit is a complete retard, the only way to actually DO a new tier list would be to go "What is each classes base tier? What do it's archetypes add to it? What about specific builds?"
>Women have better endurance due to body composition
No they don't. That's why they have lower stamina and worse performance in every competition that involves endurance.
>they also have high pain thresholds
That's also a load of shit. Yeah, I know, >muh childbirth, but you're failing to take into account the fact that the female body is designed specifically to shit out a baby and there's a massive flood of endorphins that kill most of the pain involved with childbirth.
The only thing you said that was true was the average lifespan of women being greater, but that's more due to men having rougher lives with much more risk of death than women who rarely actually do anything dangerous.
Mind listing them? I tore the class list directly off the OGC, so it doesn't include anything that isn't on there yet sadly.
Its also missing the best class in the game, the Harem mage, but such is life.
We get it, the tier list as it stands is your sacred cow and you're an autistic fuck who'd rather take a hammer to his own ballsack than admit that new archetypes and shit have come out since it was written.
That's fine, stay in your sandbox then and leave other people to have different opinions.
Explain why it needs to be changed, then.
>New archetypes come out
>Just need to be added to the existing tier list
>WAH WAH WAH REWRITE THE ENTIRE THING TO SUIT MY AUTISTIC-RETARD WHIMS, ITS ALL USELESS NOW
No it fucking isn't, retard. It's written and maintained by a single guy, who mostly doesn't even ask /pfg/ and who certainly doesn't do enough asking and polling for it to be called consensus.
If that's the case then the results will be exactly the same, won't they?
So why does it matter either way.
>If it's what the community believes as a whole, it's a consensus.
And as I keep saying, it isn't. Until now, no-one (except 2houfag) has cared enough to make one that actually represents the consensus, that's all.
My character is inches away from having a bedroom go at Fairwind, pfg. How should I go about it? I've already got the charm turned to 11, it's a matter of time, really. Any advice on speeding things up?
My GM has been pretty solid with the whole "woman in every port" bit my first mate of a pirate has been aiming for.
Basically, pickup lines that work on pirates. Have at it, if you've got the gall.
...Because the results will be the same either way, aside from the new classes getting added, so why waste the time doing pointless shit instead of just, y'know, add the fucking new archetypes and classes to the existing list?
I fixed up the survey to be better organized and include only Paizo and DSP classes.
We shouldn't do archetypes yet, just focus on base classes. Don't overwhelm people.
Would forward porting Magic Missile storm from 3.5 break anything?
>Basically, pickup lines that work on pirates.
>Would porting X from 3.5 break anything
No, not really. Most of the old 3.5 problems are well known stuff that's everywhere on optimization boards, and is thus easily shut down and avoided.
Try not to push her too hard, she got burned hard once in her past as I recall, so you'll want to make sure you're moving at her pace, while also making sure that when you're in the bedroom you go like crazy, since she's Calistrian.
And definitely try not to impose too much restriction or authority on her, she hates that.
Warlord Knight of the Black Seraph hatefucked the Paladin over issues of morality, eventually became enemies with benefits over rapidly developing hatred over the Chaotic 'Neutral' bumblefucks that tried spaghettiing or stealing all over the clerical order we were going to try to ask for assistance from.
You are literally talking to the rest of /pfg/ right now. You are asking them to ask themselves, something they have clearly alreayd done.
I personally complained about cavalier on multiple occasions and i fucking demonstrated how its better than a lot of the T4 classes with access to unique abilities, an animal companion (an incredibly powerful feature) and better damage output than anything short of specific magus and barbarian builds, but i had to give up because thread after thread people just mindlessly repeated the mantra "its not worth changing for just one class" and "no, its tier 5, look at the list!" there was even one guy who claimed there was a "tier council" who had some private IRC and worked together to do surveys on /pfg/ that determined the tiers.
Its all bullshit.
If there is that's even fucking worse. So we aren't just dealing with one egomaniac but with a fucking cabal who feels they have the right to interpret the will of /pfg/ under authority they granted themselves.
Being told the gnomes of zurich are real doesn't make me fucking happier.
>The Dual-Wield style has almost no interaction with actually dual-wielding other than a requirement to do it because ???, and like 4 maneuvers total that actually use two weapons, most of them as full-round actions
Alright, like, I generally like you all here, but come the fuck on. TWF needs standard action strikes to solve mobility issues, and the TWF discipline doesn't even USE twf.
Thrashing Dragon Style allows you to twf with a standard attack, so that you can still move and TWF. That's part one of "Problems with TWFing in PF." Problem solved.
Thrashing Dragon POUNCE, the second feat, allows you to attack with your offhand weapon on any strike that only attacks with one weapon, turning every strike into a potential TWF strike. That's the feat you're complaining you don't have, but it was there the whole time, waiting for you to actually bother reading.
>Necromancer party member is crafting an infinite use wondrous item of Shrink Object so he can carry around mountains of corpses in his bag of holding, ready to raise at any time
>All I've spent my gold on has been stat upgrade items and weapons/armor
Anyone who answered this might want to go back and edit their response, because I added Soulknife (Free Gifted Blade).
>mfw my GM allowed me a custom banner that I can hold alongside Scarlet Throne without losing my bonuses.
Feels good to have a permissive GM.
Do you have access to PoW:E? The Polearm Dancer feat does exactly that. If not, Weapon Master's Handbook has a set of style feats that make Dex polearms work, but I'm not super familiar with their ins and outs.
Elric spends most of his time editing his responses to be less sassy. He neglected to do that this time because he hasn't really woken up yet.
That's not the monk. It's clearly a large, hideous orc-beast.
Protect your families. Enlist today!
Don't hide it from me, /pfg/.
What's your favorite
DSP class that isn't an initiator?
What are the best items to buy for characters in general who start at level 3 with 3,000 gp?
Just assume good general picks.
Radiance House and Ascension Games are the two other publishers I allow unconditionally in my games. The former did Occultist (a Binder conversion, with loads of archetype support for the other classes much like DSP does), the latter Nightblade (base-class 6-level-casting Shadowdancer) and some new construct/trap-base classes that are in playtesting.
Ornstein is hardly a good inspiration for dex users. He thrusts his spear with might and uses his strength to leap and burst through pillars. If anything he's a strength heavy warpriest or magus. Just because he's in the room with a 40 strength giant doesn't mean he's a dexfag.
Possibly, but it has to do with women having more slow-twitch muscle fibers, so they can sustain activities for longer compared to men who tend towards more fast-twitch muscle.
I thought that it depended on the type of motions for efficiency? Women have better efficiency when not resistance exercies while for men its the opposite. Their are big differences in how the musculature is on a skeletal level, density and ability to supply it with oxygen, etc..
Liber Vampyr from Necromancers of the Northwest is amazing. If they would fix that fucking paragraph about Revenants getting wis to hp (they don't, they still use CON as though they were alive) it would be the perfect book for playable vampires in non-vampire campaigns.
Wand of cure light wounds if nobody has one yet is a total lifesaver. Otherwise, any of the big 6 are good other than the natural armour/deflection boosters.
e.g. Cloak of resistance +1, a +2 stat booster, a +1 magic weapon, a +1 magic amour
Prioritise whatever you need most.
So I went to my local comic book shop where I randomly played Pathfinder for the first time. I had fun and was given a Character Sheet and was told I should create a character.
Do I go ahead and fill it out without a GM present? I have the PDFs and an online dice rolling generator ready. Is this fair or dishonest?
I prefer Spiritualist. I don't want the summoned monsters, I can't use them while my eidolon's about, but because it's such a powerful feature that scales all the way across 20 levels, the summoner can't really have much else. Spiritualist's bonus feats and utility SLAs and bonded manifestation aren't perfect, but they're more what I want in situations where I'm dismissing the pet on a pet class.
Is it part of pathfinder society? If so you should read up on their specific character creation rules. You don't need dice - you use point buy - so there is no fairness of honesty involved (usually your sheet will be checked by the DM too to make sure there's no mistakes).
Yes it was a Pathfinder Society game anon. I believe the GM did mentioned point buying, which is something I quite don't understand yet.
Do I have to buy the books or can I just print out the pages from a PDF? I could buy the core book but if I want a specific class or race I can just print out that individual section or is that frowned upon?
fool around with this
pfs uses 20 points
yup, and it is huge bullshit
druids are prob the cheapest character to run, only needing the core book to dominate
This may help you anon
You need to buy a book in order to use the resources within. However, you do not need a copy of the core rulebook and can use any rules from the core book without owning it. This is because the GM is required to supply this book. It does help to have a copy though.
You can get away as a player with not buying anything if you use core rules only. This works fine for some classes (wizard, cleric, druid) but is not recommended at all for others (rogue, monk, fighter).
It's so garbage but I love it anyhow. It looks like the new book should hopefully make it better, but really it's just 'Fighter that doesn't spend money on magic sword'
Mine's a professional conman.
Man this thread went to shit for the majority of it, hadn't it?
The reason we endure childbirth has nothing to do with better constitution and everthing to do with producing retarded amounts of drugs even within our bodies - and even then, you take the epidural. Stop asking questions and just take it
The tolerance for pain in cases like compound fractures is a bit lower than men's, not higher.
Women perform a completely necessary and extremely critical function of humanity with their bodies. But to pretend there is no cost to that is idiocy. There's always an exchange, and the special abilities "grow young organisms" and "feed young organisms" are what we get out of it. Our dexterity is no worse, but not better, and our strength and constitution both a little lower.
However, smaller bodies can endure g-forces at certain angles (but then so does the little asian man) and women require a good amount less food outside of pregnancy which is a huge advantage.
You literally can't get more hamon than a magical force you channel into objects that harms undead whilst nonlethally subduing organics that can be channeled into various physical attacks that disable a specific body part.
The weird thing about Golarion's Silk Road is that they're both in the north; Jade Regent has you follow the Path of Aganhei in very explicit detail, and the other route goes from Mammoth Lords to Casmaron to Goka while being a bit more nebulous.