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Pathfinder General /pfg/

Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/53QiHfcU

Old thread: >>45263010
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First for bullying waifu posters.
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Second for Touhoufag pls go and stay gone
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>>45273538
But where is he?
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>>45273552
stayed gone, hopefully.

Probably gonna post that thing about NPCs in APs again, realistically.
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>>45273473
>I can create a stand
Fucking yes
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>>45273515
If I wanted to play a game that was realistic I would be playing dormrooms and doldrums.
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>>45273515
>Dex to hit and damage solves the issue completely
>being a caster solves the issue completely

Why slather yourself in gore when you can get other people to do that for you AND make them better at it or heal them so they can do it longer?
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>>45273563
Was that really 2hu?
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>>45273617
We're all 2hu here.
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>>45273627
Why's there a witch hunt against 2hu again?
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>>45273617
Types like 2hu at least.
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>>45273638
2hu can be really annoying with their posts at times. I think last I saw there was a poll saying 6 wanted them gone, 6 didn't. Of course that's with like 30-40 posters in the thread.
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>>45273639
>paranoid witch hunt against typing styles
When did /pfg/ go even lower down the shitter?
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Why do so many newbie likes to play as CN Kleptomania. Is it reflecting something they repress in RL?
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>>45273670
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>>45273651
Remember, 2hufag had legions of guys trolling his threads even when he was giving legit 4e analysis and sharing PDFs bought with his money.

Lots of it is irrational 'I dun like the way he writes!'
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>>45273703
For many? Yes. That was me, once upon a time.
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>>45273730
I probably wasn't around for those, but that's okay, I find qanon's typing style really obnoxious too.
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>>45273651
2hu does provide some good feedback, though. It's just that they're a bit abrasive and don't seem to realize it.
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>>45273730
Personally for me, it's the fact that he keeps on posting the same questions over and over in threads no matter how many people answer. The tier list bullshit was about the time I lost patience with him.

Of course now we're just arguing about him instead of about tiers, wooooooooooops.
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>Floating +2
>Dark vision
>+1 LUCK bonus to all saves (easily boosted to +2 with a trait)
>Solid selection of racial features to fit most any build

Humans are good and everything but I think HOrcs might be a contender for the "you can't go wrong with this race for any build" title.
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>>45273754
I don't think you get how general threads work.

If you ask a question and you get no replies or like 1 meaningless reply, why aren't you going to try again next thread?

I've seen lots of guys repeating their questions that got buried. You're just mad because you saw someone post something you've already seen ONCE and that got your feathers ruffled.
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>>45273730
He even donated money when DSP needed help with medical bills and asked /pfg/ what it wanted the new discipline to be. Plane Crasher, wasn't it? I really don't understand how anyone justifies hating him when he's fairly objectively a better person than most people in the thread and did more to help Pathfinder, DSP, and /pfg/ than everyone else barring maybe five, ten people.
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>>45273780
>No bonus feat
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>>45273515
>Women are weaker than men.
>Let's give them more constitution though.
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>>45273789
>He even donated money when DSP needed help with medical bills
Stole from his mom's bank account.

Got blacklisted by Gareth.
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>>45273836
Gareth already said he wasn't on his blacklist.
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>>45273825
Childbirth. Gotta have a higher Fort save if you don't want that baby to annihilate your insides just by coming out.
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>>45273845
It's a formality, he's the only dickweed who Gareth had to say to shut up.
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>>45273789
2hu was also the guy who first made the pastebin. Here's proof.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/43264519/#43264519

Every time you post the pastebin, you're posting something 2hu made.
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>>45273864
Like the DSP team hasn't wanted to murder whoever keeps asking to make tower shields viable or to make CHA harbingers. Bet they would if we were easily identifiable by the pictures we use.
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>>45273836
Are you retarded or a fucking liar? His mother willingly paid for it as a Christmas gift. Gareth has repeatedly, specifically said there's no blacklist and he wouldn't be on it even if there were.

Are you the same faggot who keeps lying about this shit? Why are you this obsessed with 2hufag? Do you have nothing better to live for?
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>>45273789
It's like bronies, anon.
Sure they have quite a few charity events and shit, and they're pretty nice (as far as I've seen). But everyone still shits on them 'cause they're fucking bronies.
Thus, everyone will forever shit on 2hu because he posts 2hu.
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>>45273882
>CHAbringers
Uhoh

And yeah, iirc DSP is fucking sick and tired of PoW from the sheer volume of the stuff they've had to deal with.
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>>45273748
QANON RESPECTS YOUR OPINION
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>>45273836
I'm the one who started the bitching about touhoufag in this thread (for which I apparently sincerely need to apologize), but I gotta say you're wrong, bro. The money was a Christmas present. Touhoufag's mom didn't approve, but he certainly didn't steal from her.
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>>45273754
>tier list bullshit
Haven't we already agreed that the tier list we've got is shit?

It's putting psychics in tier 1 and bumping up half caster classes to tier 2 just because they get extra spells.
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>>45273897
You shouldn't, my opinions, just like my waifu are trash. That's why I post here.
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>>45273825
Physical strength and physical endurance are different.
Women have better endurance due to body composition, they also have high pain thresholds. They also live longer.
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>>45273884
/pfg/'s consensus is that 2hu is a shitter who needs to go.

Remember the poll we had? It was 50/50 stay/go. Nobody else on /pfg/ is that unpopular.
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>>45273904
BUT ANON, YOU'RE NOT TRASH

THE REAL TRASH WAS THE FRIENDS WE MADE ALONG THE WAY
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>>45273901
Well to a degree yes. Some half-casters got buffed up for other reasons. But there are some issues with it and it could do with an update. For example, the Psychic's placement had a significant amount to do with the playtest where it had different amplifications.
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>>45273919
I didn't say I was trash...
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>>45273917
>>45273651
Yeah, 12 people out of what, I've seen 50 at peak times. Wow, that's a great sample size, faglord. Also, what the fuck does consensus have to do with anything? This isn't a democracy, the moderators are the only ones with power, 2hufag can do literally whatever he wants. Even if he chooses to stay away it's only because he's displaying more courtesy than you are right now.
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>>45273904
Maybe if your waifu wasn't such a whore, you wouldn't have that problem anon.
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Fuck all of you, stop arguing about shitposters.

Instead, tell me about which NPCs you've successfully done lewd things with.
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>>45273754
You know that like 10% of all posts in /pfg/ are someone reposting something they asked about in a previous thread but got buried or joke-replied to, right?
Touhoufag just does it identifiably. If everyone else did it identifiably, you'd be bitching at them too for reposting a question once. ONCE.

And we don't even know for sure if the guy who didn't like APs was 2hu, you paranoid dick.
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>>45273935
BUT WHAT IS A MAN BUT A MISERABLE LITTLE PILE OF OPINIONS AND WAIFUS?
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>>45273941
Had to play the visual novel version just to get my happy ending ;-;
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>>45273945
>don't talk about touhoufag, talk about waifus!

Fuck off, I'd rather have the cancer you're not rubbing one out to.
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>>45273945
>>45273955
Pretty much this. Also, anyone want to bet on how long until some faggot "ironically" posts that 2hou is his waifu?
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>>45273945
You're agreeing that 2hu is a shitposter who needs to go, right?
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>>45273955
Look Anon, if we're gonna talk about something, it might as well not be the one guy who managed to troll you by reposting bait.
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>>45273819
That's kind of what I'm saying. If your class/build is feat hungry human usually edges out.

If not? HOrc all the way. Sacred Tattoo is really, REALLY good for classes that your group really don't want failing a will save (barbarian) or if you want to make a monk or paladin more untouchable.

Plus. Darkvision.
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>>45273951
I don't care about men, I want gnomes, just not those tantrum gnomes.
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>>45273964
Why are you so obsessed with him? At this rate you're becoming a worse shitposter than he is, and he actually contributed to the thread a few times. Unlike you. Seriously, step back and consider this. Right now you're literally worse than the guy known for being a mega-autistic faggot. YOU'RE the shitposter and you need to go.
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>>45273970
>reposting bait
But we don't even know if it was Touhou. All we have to go off is typing style and there's bound to be at least one or two guys who type like Touhou.
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>>45273754
Speaking of tier bullshit.
Any classes that would get bumped up a tier due to having a Map of the Mind? Aka item of once a week Psychic Reformation that isn't augmented.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/equipment/psionic-items/universal-items#TOC-Map-of-the-Mind
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>>45273979
>you will never get to have a corgi familiar
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>>45273962
Gnomes, you say?
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>>45273962
3 minutes
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>>45273964
Sounds to me like you're just hungry for validation of your opinions.
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>>45273945
>Guys! Stop shitposting and listen to me shitpost!
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>>45273983
>2hu
>contributed to the thread

[citation needed]
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>>45273985
Dude, it was one faggot that reposted a shitty post, and managed to turn you and everyone else ITT into faggots that can't stop discussing the person behind it.

Just stop. Please.
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>>45273988
I can do without a corgi familiar, I just wanna play a fae knight riding a corgi. I want that DSP fae book.
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>>45273999
See >>45273880 and >>45273789
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>>45274002
Then obviously the thing we need to do is investigate if it really was 2hu who posted that.
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>>45273987
I'm pretty sure items are never considered in tier lists, and also that that thing's kind of silly no matter who has it, holy ass.
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>>45274008
I had a Halfling PC ride a Dire Corgi, close as I can get right now.
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>>45274012
>2 contributions
vs
>bajillion shitposts

Hell no, 2hu must go.
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>>45274008
I wanna be a Leshy knight riding a corgi.

Leshy stats fucking when?
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>>45273945
Not pathfinder, but my proudest moment in shadowrun was getting nailed by this guy.
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Making a sylvan sorcerer for PFS. Send in animal companion, control some minds, blast what won't give in.

Kitsune or Gnome?
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>>45274026
>two
Nice arithmetic, fag.

Also, let's see how you're doing.
>0 contributions
vs
>bajillion shitposts
You first.
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>>45273945
My Paladin once got married to, settled down with, and took responsibility for a local village maiden.
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>>45274032
Gnomes get more support from illusions and being small is a nice benefit.
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>>45273988
Nigga that's a Pomeranian, the most badass of dogs.

Just alter a dog companion and make it small.
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>>45274038
Everyone else on /pfg/ is Anon.

That means everyone else could've anonymously made 100x more contributions than 2hu.
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>>45274048
Er, FOR illusions.
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>>45274028
I think you could estimate a leaf leshy's stats.
-4 str, +2 dex, +2 con, -6 int, +2 wis, +2 cha

That actually looks like it hurts.
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>>45274058
Nah, the ones who did aren't really anonymous and generally easy to spot, like QANON, DrowAnon, or Downtime God. Actually-anonymous anons have collectively made fewer contributions than 2hou. They're also likely responsible for 100x more shjtposting than 2hu.
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>>45274050
I concede it's a pomeranian, swear that's actually what I wanted to say, but want to know why pomeranians are the most badass dogs.
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>>45274058
And perhaps Touhou makes far more contributions than you realize, because not every single post they write is accompanied by Touhou images, and the ones that aren't are simply acknowledged as the efforts of "an Anon"? It isn't like they have a tripcode, you know.
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>>45274079
Touhou hasn't homebrewed anything for /pfg/. The one time he tried to he begged all of /pfg/ for ideas on a book he was contracted to write, broke the contract, and then bitched at all of /pfg/ and blamed it on us.
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>>45274079
>They're also likely responsible for 100x more shjtposting than 2hu.

I admit it, I shitpost gnomes, I'm sorry.
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>all this shitposting
So guys, how about them Grippli?
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>>45274041
That's fucking sick, anon. I think I just threw up a little.
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>>45274100
Ahahaha, damn, really? I missed that, tell me the tale?
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>>45274100
Didn't he blame it on the guy who owns SoP having incredibly shitty business practices, which were later verified? Quantity > quality, refusal to do QA or errata, general idiocy and ivory tower design?

>>45274111
AGILE
TONGUE

>>45274126
See above.
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>>45273607
Wait, is there a way to make Dex to hit and damage?
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>>45274126
Exactly like I said.

2hu got contracted to write a book, begged /pfg/ for ideas, broke the contract, and then bitched at all of /pfg/ and blamed it on us.
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>>45274081
Tokyo Jungle, a video game where you play as animals in a post human tokyo,though not really based in real life the starting predator (a Pomeranian) can sneak kill and instagib hyenas.
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>>45274111
I think frog people are an okay idea, I guess? But I can't see them as a race anyone would really want to play or explore so they're just kinda...there for me.

in b4 someone posts Frog and some sort of vaguely paladin-ish screed about adventure and justice.
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>>45274138
Weapon finesse and deadly agility would do it for anyone.
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>>45274138
Unchained Rogue gets it automatically, DSP has a third-party feat for it.
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>>45274135
>Didn't he blame it on the guy who owns SoP having incredibly shitty business practices, which were later verified? Quantity > quality, refusal to do QA or errata, general idiocy and ivory tower design?
>later verified

Was never verified, shitlord. All of it is 2hu badmouthing the SoP guy groundlessly.
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>>45274149
That's fucking amazing, I've got to track this down. What system's it for?
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>>45274164
ps3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Jungle
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>>45274151
I dunno, I played a Grippli Ninja once, and it was awesome.
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>>45274164
PS3, I lamented not having one to play it on for years.
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>>45274135
>>45274157
That's another thing, 99% of 2hu's posts have been bitching about SoP.

SoP sucks this, SoP sucks that, SoP sucks everything. He can't post about anything else but how SoP is shitty.

It's why /pfg/ got driven away from SoP. It's a great system but 2hu gave it a bad name.
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I want to play a kender, but my dm won't let me. Any recommendations on how to play a gnome as a kender without being caught?
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>>45274168
>>45274170
Well, fuck, and it looks like it got a poor response in America so there probably won't be a Steam version.
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>>45274181
QANON GREIVES THE SHIT OUT OF ITS LOSS OF POPULARITY. SPHERES REPLACED VANCIAN CASTING IN ALL HER GAMES
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>>45274181
Jerk ain't driven me from it. I still think it's cool, if a bit spotty in places. Like weather. Which should just be some talents in Nature.
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>>45274181
>It's a great system but 2hu gave it a bad name.
It's an okay system that isn't vancian, that's why people liked it.

Is shitposter-about-2hu Adam Myers?
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>>45274203
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>>45274209
>>45274210
So you're agreeing that 2hu is a shitter, right?
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>>45274157
The guy literally came to 4chan and answered questions about that, though, didn't he? And it's kind of been verified by his forum posts about balance and how we never have any fucking errata.

>>45274227
Nah, he's too fucking stupid to figure out 4chan, according to the handbook writer who had to try and walk him through posting.
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>>45274203
Trans-kender-kin?
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>>45274164
PS4, you unlock animals through challenges and you breed into longer generations to last as long as possible, I lasted you year 50. You start with the Pomeranian and the Sika Deer.

Now this brings me back to an on topic thought.

Druid Wildshape, last I tried it out, I did significantly less for my party and it didn't add much damage, did I just read the ability wrong or is wildshape lackluster?.
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>>45274227
Nah, Adam Myers doesn't know how to 4chan..

...but the only person who's said so is Touhoufag.

A CONSPIRACY?!
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>>45274237
I'm agreeing that you're a fucking monomaniacal obsessed shitter who should either admit your buttlust for 2hu or kill yourself already. Fuck off either way.
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>>45274238
>The guy literally came to 4chan and answered questions about that
[citation needed]
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>>45274252
Fuck off and die, go through the archives if you really care.

>>45274248
The guy who actually did write a handbook and was not 2hu said the same thing, Touhoufag never said a thing about Myers' ability to browse 4chan, idiot.
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>>45274251
If Touhou causes this much problems for /pfg/ and controversy, then isn't it a good sign he should stay out like >>45273538 said at the start of this thread?
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>>45274263
Purrrrrrrrrrrrretty sure you're wrong, though I admit I'm probably wrong about it ONLY being touhoufag and just wanted to make a dumb joke that people are really going full on second shooter about this.

pls forgive, anon
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>>45274274
No, everything causes issues here. Have you read /pfg/ threads?
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>>45274274
No, not when it's almost entirely you being a whiny cunt.

>waaa waaa I am an emotional infant and cannot contain my asspain
>THIS IS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT
Die.
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>>45274237
QANON DOESN'T BELIEVE THEY ARE IN A POSITION TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON ANY ASSHOLES, SHITTERS OR OTHERWISE. QANON DOES NOT CARE ABOUT MUCH BEYOND CHILDLIKE GLEE AT A NEW CHARACTER OPTION.

QANON ALSO THINKS YOU ARE TRYING WAY TOO HARD TO ROUSE THE PORCH AND TITCHFORK MOB, AND POINTS YOU TO THE "WE ARE NOT YOUR PERSONAL ARMY" ENGRAVED ON THE VERY FUCKING FABRIC OF THE WEBSITE.
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Im confused about one thing:
In path of war, at what charlvl can i learn the various levels of maneuvers? Say, a lvl 3 maneuver... do i have to be lvl 3? Higher?
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>>45274298
Same as wizards and spells for the base PoW classes. 1st at 1, 2nd at 3, 3rd at 5, 4th at 7, 5th at 9, and so on and so forth.
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>>45273945
Looks like this was stripped out of a pdf with MSPaint? Anybody got a cleaner one via photoshop?
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>>45274298
Same level you would a spell on a 9th prepared caster.

On an initiator you can learn 1st level maneuvers at 1, 2nd at level 3, 3rd at 5 etc...

Non-initiators have an initiating level equal to half their character level for learning maneuvers. So a Fighter 4/Warder 1 would be initiator level 3 for maneuver learning letting them learn 2nd level maneuvers.
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>>45274298
pg. 26
Don't forget that higher level maneuvers have a manuver known requirement.
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>>45274298
It works like spell levels for spells:
Initiator Level Maneuver Level
1st-2nd 1st
3rd-4th 2nd
5th-6th 3rd
7th-8th 4th
9th-10th 5th
11th-12th 6th
13th-14th 7th
15th-16th 8th
17th+ 9th
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>>45274289
It's clear from this thread that people don't like Touhou though.
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>>45274336
Dude, stop, you're just embarrassing yourself.
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>>45274336
Jesus shut up, you're more annoying than 2hou.
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>>45274336
No, faggot, it's clear that YOU don't like Touhou and that's it. Multiple people have defended him, and most were apathetic.
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>>45274351
>multiple people have defended him

>Personally for me, it's the fact that he keeps on posting the same questions over and over in threads no matter how many people answer. The tier list bullshit was about the time I lost patience with him.

This is fucking damning.

2hu thinks the tier list is shit. Can you believe that? The tier list's been agreed on by /pfg/ community consensus.
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holy shit I can't tell what's a troll and what isn't anymore.
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>>45274385
No it hasn't. You can find other people agreeing that the tier list isn't adequate. Fuck off already.

>>45273901
>>45273922
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>>45274385
From what I recall it was that the tier list needs to be re-organized.

>Personally for me, it's the fact that he keeps on posting the same bitching about 2hou over and over in threads no matter how many people respond. The 2hou bitching bullshit was about the time I lost patience with him.
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>>45274169
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>>45274336
YOU KNOW WHAT? SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ME EITHER, AM I COWERING ON MY (GLORIOUS AND AWE-INSPIRING) PDF THRONE AND WAITING IN TERROR FOR THE CRUSADE? NO, BECAUSE MOST OF US HERE ARE ADULTS, OKAY? ADULTS IGNORE THE THINGS THEY DON'T LIKE

YOU'RE ACTING LIKE A GODDAMN TUMBLR RIGHT NOW. WEH TOHO IS PROBLEMATIC TOHO ANNOYS ME TOHO HURTS MY FEELS

GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER, PUT IT IN A SHIT SACK, AND FLING IT THE HELL INTO THE OCEAN, BECAUSE GROW THE FUCK UP HOLY HELL
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>>45274391
Then how come when 2hu mentioned wanting to reorganize the tier list, everyone in /pfg/ shouted him down (rightfully so) because the tier list we have is just fine?

It means Touhou is wrong and anyone who thinks the tier list doesn't matter is an idiot.
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>>45274390
Everyone is a troll, anon. It's trolls trolling trolls and pretending to be butthurt now.
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So, the fluff between the Summoner and the Spiritualist seems closely related and the functionality is similar.

If you had to choose to play one (sans archetypes), which would you play?
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>>45274391
Its not a shit tier list desu, just needs an update and weeding. Like Psychic to Tier 2 for example.
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>>45274410
Because you're a [profanity]ing [profanity] who can't think for himself, you Apple-buying sheeple.

Touhou is right and anyone who thinks he isn't a pure cinnamon roll is an idiot. Fuck you, fag.
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>>45274410
This guy has it. I clearly remember when 2hu saying the tier list was wrong and all of us banding together and saying that the tier list is right.
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>>45274448
>448 ▶
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>>45274410
>>45274443
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/44208529/#44212128
>On top of that its presentation is an eyesore, and very much presents as something written by an individual rather than any sort of community consensus.

This is why 2hu was an idiot for wanting to redo the tier list. The one we have is community consensus.
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So what's the best way to do a thrown weapon build?
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>>45274413
Gotcha.

Sooo, how about dem broncos?
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>>45274495
Sorry, this isn't the right thread for that. You want /pfg/ this is /2hu/
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>>45274511
O-oh

>>45274507
I WANT /MLP/ TO GO AND STAY GO
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>>45274495
THROW YOUR SHIELD, DRINK YOUR MILK, AND BE A REAL AMERICAN
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>>45274538
I was thinking of throwing 2hu and enchanting my cockring to be a blinkback belt.
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>>45274546
As long as you don't throw the best 2hus
Fairy of Freedom and NUCLEEEEAAAR
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>>45274589
I have to throw ALL OF THEM or it won't be a real danmaku.
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>>45273703
For a lot of people they're used to more restrictive games where they're forced to be the goodie goodie Hero. So they go insane with freedom when they realize they have next to no restrictions on their actions in a ttg.

Usually they grow out of it.
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Hello, /pfg/. I have found a new game, and it allows Leadership. I wish to create several romantic interests, and as /pfg/ seems experienced with waifus, I thought I would turn here. How should I best represent the women in the picture ingame?
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>>45274312
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>>45274627
Many thanks, anon.

She's a qt.
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>>45274659
I do not understand. Romance seems a popular topic in these threads. If it is because of the Touhou image, I only posted it for reference and I am no longer posting them as frequently as I once did.
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>>45274058
YOU, personally, have made none, though. So stop shitposting and fuck off.
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>>45274695
This is not very helpful, anon. I just want to know how to best build a cohort and a follower to resemble my romantic interests.
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>>45274709
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>>45274718
>filename
Good.
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>>45274181
Nah, you're just retarded and/or shilling SoP.
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>>45274740
What's wrong with Spheres of Power again?

It's way better than Paizo's spellcasting.
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>>45274237
He can be sometimes, but you're worse.
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>>45274758
>sometimes
Like when?

More like all the time.
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>>45274757
Zero testing, developers don't care and just want to shove more books in a blatant money grab, the developers were IN THIS THREAD and basically spit in peoples faces when they gave criticism and told people to just buy more books like a good goy.
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>>45274757
The core book is okay, good if you like that sort of thing, outside of summoning, weather, and a few other issues. The archetypes in the second book were okay, nothing special.

Everything after that is trash, including the company.
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>>45274768

>developers were IN THIS THREAD and basically spit in peoples faces when they gave criticism and told people to just buy more books like a good goy

?

When did this happen? Was it Adam himself?
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>>45274768
I sometimes make classes and one criticism that makes me want to rip people's lungs out is "It's not balanced with core."

Who gives a fuck? If it's not balanced with core then that's your problem, not mine. I ban core because of it being shit.
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>>45274491
No, the one we have is the work of one guy PRESENTED AS the community consensus. If we did have a consensus, that would be pretty close to it, but it's not the consensus, no-one else has just so far cared enough to get it replaced(except 2hufag who gave up when it became clear that his attempt wouldn't be the consensus either).
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>>45274793
Someone probably has screenshots, but it was like... a month ago? Maybe a little more or less. Several actual devs, and I think the company lead, were here.
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>>45274805
What?
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>>45274809
How hard can it be to get consensus? Make a bunch of strawpolls.
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>>45274765
Like when he's not making a detailed analysis of something fueled by his obsession. So you know, more like half the time.
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>>45274821
It was on the subject of criticism towards developers, nothing really to do with your point.
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>>45274827
You would have to ask a bunch of people who have shown intimate knowledge with all aspects of the system. Polls on objective things are a bad idea.
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>>45274841
I was gonna say, that's not the core book he was talking about.
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Is the Verminous Hunter archetype viable? I was thinking riding a Giant Wasp and firing arrows from it's back.
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Can black dragons be trusted to any extent?

My party just beat down a pair of young black dragons, and since I began the encounter by trying to negotiate with them, they begged for their lives when their HP dropped to single digits. Despite the protests of the other, lawful good party members (I'm TN), I agreed to spare their lives if they surrendered immediately and agreed to help us. They complied.

Our cleric channeled positive energy and they got a dozen hitpoints back, and then we ended the session.

I figured that since most of my spells have been exhausted at this point in the dungeon, their breath weapons would more than make up for my diminished firepower, while at the same time the dragons are low enough on HP that they can be dispatched very quickly should they turn on us.
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>>45274827
Probably not too hard, no-one has just done it yet.
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I can use PoW, PoWE and pretty much any DSP or Paizo stuff. I need to make someone who is THE BEST at katanas.
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>>45274852
You get experience points and the assistance of two dragons. They're about as trustworthy as cornered foxes who just ate the macguffin, but like you said, killing them would be effortless.
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>>45274809
So what's the point about complaining about the tier list if we'll never have a consensus?

The tier list we have IS the community consensus, which is why it's perfect.
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>>45274847
But we can't really be objective on the matter. We're clearly not trying to make an objective tier list, but a subjective one, tailored to the board. I fail to see why asking the board is a bad idea.
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>>45274847
The question wasn't about making an objectively good tier list, it was about making tier list based on the community consensus. So polls(executed properly) are the exact right way of figuring it out.
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>>45274859
Bushi, that one feat that lets you finesse katanas, mithral current, probably.
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>>45274880
Which class should I put the template on?
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Does Thrashing Dragon Style apply to standard action strikes?
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>>45274828
When does 2hu post about something that's not his obsession.

Do we know the last time 2hu posted for sure?
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>>45274869
>The tier list we have IS the community consensus

It really isn't, though. And I'm not saying that we'll never have a consensus, just that no-one has bothered finding one yet.
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>>45274895
Maybe they're posting right now

Maybe the 2hu was coming from INSIDE THE THREAD!!!!!!
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>>45274871
Wouldn't we need like 30+ polls to cover every class?
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>>45274906
You know, I absolutely would not put it past him to spend an hour loudly hating himself in order to drum up an array of "ah, well, he's not SO bad" to make him feel better about himself.

>>45274907
Yeah, though we'd probably want to go one book at a time. I'd say Core, Base, Hybrid, Occult, and fold Alternate and Unchained together. Leave each batch up for about three days.
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>>45274929
Isn't everyone going to vote tier 1 for wizard, tier 3 for bards, tier 4 for barbarians, etc. anyway?
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>>45274907
I don't know the limitations of strawpoll having never made polls with it, but I'd imagine we could cover most of it with seven or eight polls(1 for each of the six tiers, one for +tier archetypes and one for misc) and a lot of discussion for starters.
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>>45274947
Probably. Why not see, though? Maybe we think Barbarians are better, or maybe Bards are falling down. The point is to find out what the community as a whole thinks.
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>>45274495
Fighter, Trained Throw, Startoss Style
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>>45274768
Nnnnah. That's not what happened.
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>>45274982
Prove it, fucboi.
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>>45273945

O-Sayumi from Jade Regent.

To this day, I'm still not sure if she was a prostitute or not, since she was basically an entertainer. But Geisha did engage in prostitution, right?
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>>45274949
>>45274970
How optimized are we talking here?

Average optimization?
Fully optimized?
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>>45274949
>>45274970
Wasn't there another tier list in the pastebin that used 'major upgrades' instead of straight +1 tier for the good archetypes?
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>>45274994
In my dreams, we're talking about feasibly optimized, aka something you could sit down with at a table and not get a dirty look from the DM the instant he saw your character sheet.

Knowing us, however, we're probably talking full on TO.
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>>45274991

Technically, she's more of a courtesan than a hooker. It's too bad there was no samurai or ninja love interest, if I remember correctly.
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>>45274860
If they survive until we exit the dungeon, my plan is to take them back to the town we're trying to save from the undead in the cave we found them in and get them to join the town guard, which has been severely depleted by the constant undead attacks.

My theory is that since they're intelligent creatures, they'll understand that by cooperating with the town, they'll get easy and plentiful access to food, protection from other evil creatures and roving adventurers, and potentially great wealth if the town prospers.

Sure, being chaotic evil will make that a bit of a challenge, but evil people thrive in society all the time, even in law enforcement. Plus the threat of retaliation from the kingdom's government or adventurers should they slip up should potentially keep them in check.
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>>45274994
In theory, the tier list merely assumes that everyone at the table is optimized at similar levels. In practice, it's some nebulous level of "average" optimization, where heavily optimized characters can sometimes go up a tier and poorly optimized characters can sometimes go down a tier(or even multiple tiers, for cases like healbot cleric or wizard who ever only uses blasting spells).
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>>45275072
You realise there's nothing stopping them from murdering the mayor or whatever and taking over, right?
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Fallen Paladin turned Crusader of the same faith she was once a paladin of. Would the character be ok playable or as a NPC?
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>>45275073
What's 'average optimization?'
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>>45275095
There is, actually.

The mayor was brutally murdered a week ago.
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>>45275100
Nebulous.
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>>45275100
What you'd reasonably expect to have to accomplish your build, while still retaining defensive and utility abilities.
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Alright fuckers

Since people are complaining so much about the tier list, I've created a quick Survey so we can get this sorted out

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/WJZ2QY2

Whoever is going to make the next thread, can they add this to the OP so we can get this shit sorted out eventually?
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>>45275139
We don't
Need
Another
Fucking
Tier list

We have a tierlist. It works. It's reasonably accurate. The only thing people are arguing about is touhoufag, and how when HE tried to redo the tier list, he was WRONG to do it and it wasn't necessary.
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>>45275157
In that case fuckhead, add your opinion and copy the exact tier list from the current one like the mouthy pleb speaking for everyone you are.

YOU might agree with the current tier list, that doesn't mean everyone does and it never killed anyone to double check that the opinion of the community actually is the opinion of the community.
Rather than just a few loud fucks within the community.
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>>45273914
>Higher endurance
Forgive me is I'm mistaken, but aren't women's walk cycle less efficient than men's?
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>>45275105
Woooooooooooooops.
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>>45275175
Nigger, we've literally had entire threads devoted to this retarded shit. Fuck off with it somewhere else, the tier list works how it is.
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>>45275139
You might want to edit that and say ASSUME NO ARCHETYPES.
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>>45275201
Even though the person asking for that shit is a complete retard, the only way to actually DO a new tier list would be to go "What is each classes base tier? What do it's archetypes add to it? What about specific builds?"
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>>45275139
You're missing most of the DSP classes.
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>>45273914
>Women have better endurance due to body composition
No they don't. That's why they have lower stamina and worse performance in every competition that involves endurance.
>they also have high pain thresholds
That's also a load of shit. Yeah, I know, >muh childbirth, but you're failing to take into account the fact that the female body is designed specifically to shit out a baby and there's a massive flood of endorphins that kill most of the pain involved with childbirth.

The only thing you said that was true was the average lifespan of women being greater, but that's more due to men having rougher lives with much more risk of death than women who rarely actually do anything dangerous.
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>>45275217
Mind listing them? I tore the class list directly off the OGC, so it doesn't include anything that isn't on there yet sadly.
Its also missing the best class in the game, the Harem mage, but such is life.
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>>45273515
This triggers the /pfg/
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>>45275157
2hu was wrong to challenge the tier list. That's why he needs to get out and stay out.
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>>45275234
>HE DARES CHALLENGE THE SACRED TEXT. DESTROY HIM.
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>>45275247
It's what /pfg/ has been using for years and it's accurate. Why fix what's not broken?
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>>45275157
>>45275200
>>45275234
We get it, the tier list as it stands is your sacred cow and you're an autistic fuck who'd rather take a hammer to his own ballsack than admit that new archetypes and shit have come out since it was written.
That's fine, stay in your sandbox then and leave other people to have different opinions.
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>>45275234
And you're wrong to continuously shitpost and derail the thread by talking about some poster who isn't even present. So just go kill yourself if you can't stay on topic.
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>>45275247
Explain why it needs to be changed, then.

>>45275253
>New archetypes come out
>Just need to be added to the existing tier list
>WAH WAH WAH REWRITE THE ENTIRE THING TO SUIT MY AUTISTIC-RETARD WHIMS, ITS ALL USELESS NOW
Bruh
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>>45275266
This guy has it.

Like it or not, the list we have IS the community consensus. It's what the whole community agreed upon and wrote together.
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>>45275271
No it fucking isn't, retard. It's written and maintained by a single guy, who mostly doesn't even ask /pfg/ and who certainly doesn't do enough asking and polling for it to be called consensus.
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>>45275271
If that's the case then the results will be exactly the same, won't they?
So why does it matter either way.
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>>45275294
But that one guy's writing has BECOME the community consensus.

So doesn't that mean the one guy who wrote the tier list basically made the community consensus?
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>>45275305
No, because it's not a consensus. Or are you seriously claiming that the majority of /pfg/ still agrees that psychic is t1?
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>>45275305
>ONE MAN SPEAKS FOR US ALL
>Maybe we should get other opinions in some sort of actual, proper community surve-
>FUCK YOU, STONE THE BLASPHEMER
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>>45275311
>>45275320
If it's what the community believes as a whole, it's a consensus.

Go ask the rest of /pfg/.
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>>45275326
>If it's what the community believes as a whole, it's a consensus.
And as I keep saying, it isn't. Until now, no-one (except 2houfag) has cared enough to make one that actually represents the consensus, that's all.
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>>45275139
I just tested this and it turns out you can vote multiple times without using a proxy.

This is a shit survey.
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>>45273945

The ghost chick from Haunting of Harrowstone, Vesorianna. It was spooky.
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My character is inches away from having a bedroom go at Fairwind, pfg. How should I go about it? I've already got the charm turned to 11, it's a matter of time, really. Any advice on speeding things up?
My GM has been pretty solid with the whole "woman in every port" bit my first mate of a pirate has been aiming for.

Basically, pickup lines that work on pirates. Have at it, if you've got the gall.
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>>45275452
Walk up to her
Suplex her
Wait till she taps out
Have your first mate come over and hold your hand up
Have another party member ring a bell.

Works every time.
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>>45275300
...Because the results will be the same either way, aside from the new classes getting added, so why waste the time doing pointless shit instead of just, y'know, add the fucking new archetypes and classes to the existing list?
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>>45275139
I fixed up the survey to be better organized and include only Paizo and DSP classes.

We shouldn't do archetypes yet, just focus on base classes. Don't overwhelm people.

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/WS3DZFK
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Would forward porting Magic Missile storm from 3.5 break anything?
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>>45275661
If anything, that looks pretty weak for a 4th level spell.
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>>45275452
>Basically, pickup lines that work on pirates.
Pic related.
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>>45275661
>Would porting X from 3.5 break anything

No, not really. Most of the old 3.5 problems are well known stuff that's everywhere on optimization boards, and is thus easily shut down and avoided.
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>>45275452
Try not to push her too hard, she got burned hard once in her past as I recall, so you'll want to make sure you're moving at her pace, while also making sure that when you're in the bedroom you go like crazy, since she's Calistrian.

And definitely try not to impose too much restriction or authority on her, she hates that.
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Guys, how do you make the campaign feel fresh again? Some of my players are saying they are a bit tired of the medieval setting...
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>>45275748
Make it a bit more fantasy.
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>>45275748
Take them up the fantasy equivalent of the Silk Road.
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>>45273945
Warlord Knight of the Black Seraph hatefucked the Paladin over issues of morality, eventually became enemies with benefits over rapidly developing hatred over the Chaotic 'Neutral' bumblefucks that tried spaghettiing or stealing all over the clerical order we were going to try to ask for assistance from.
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Can you throw multiple alchemical items in a round?

Like, can you Dual-Wield Alchemists Fire and throw it? What about iteratives? Rapid shot?
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>>45275326
You are literally talking to the rest of /pfg/ right now. You are asking them to ask themselves, something they have clearly alreayd done.
>>45275356
I personally complained about cavalier on multiple occasions and i fucking demonstrated how its better than a lot of the T4 classes with access to unique abilities, an animal companion (an incredibly powerful feature) and better damage output than anything short of specific magus and barbarian builds, but i had to give up because thread after thread people just mindlessly repeated the mantra "its not worth changing for just one class" and "no, its tier 5, look at the list!" there was even one guy who claimed there was a "tier council" who had some private IRC and worked together to do surveys on /pfg/ that determined the tiers.
Its all bullshit.
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>>45275977
But there IS a tier council.
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>>45275937
By RAW, no, JJ got butthurt that flask rogues worked pretty fricken well in 3.5 and said N-N-NO, UMM, YOU CAN'T QUICK DRAW THEM!.
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>>45275981
If there is that's even fucking worse. So we aren't just dealing with one egomaniac but with a fucking cabal who feels they have the right to interpret the will of /pfg/ under authority they granted themselves.

Being told the gnomes of zurich are real doesn't make me fucking happier.
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>>45276086
But where does it say this?
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>>45274888
Bushi is going to be your best option one way or the other. You've got a few options for builds, depending on what you want to focus on. First question is STR or DEX?

>>45274892
No.
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>>45275452
Pluck out her eyeballs and ejaculate into the sockets.

Gets 'em every time.
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>>45276098
Obviously this shadowy Cabal of nerds has only our best interests at heart.
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>>45276131
>No

>The Dual-Wield style has almost no interaction with actually dual-wielding other than a requirement to do it because ???, and like 4 maneuvers total that actually use two weapons, most of them as full-round actions

Alright, like, I generally like you all here, but come the fuck on. TWF needs standard action strikes to solve mobility issues, and the TWF discipline doesn't even USE twf.
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>>45276155
Thrashing Dragon Style allows you to twf with a standard attack, so that you can still move and TWF. That's part one of "Problems with TWFing in PF." Problem solved.

Thrashing Dragon POUNCE, the second feat, allows you to attack with your offhand weapon on any strike that only attacks with one weapon, turning every strike into a potential TWF strike. That's the feat you're complaining you don't have, but it was there the whole time, waiting for you to actually bother reading.
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>Necromancer party member is crafting an infinite use wondrous item of Shrink Object so he can carry around mountains of corpses in his bag of holding, ready to raise at any time
>All I've spent my gold on has been stat upgrade items and weapons/armor
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>>45275624
Anyone who answered this might want to go back and edit their response, because I added Soulknife (Free Gifted Blade).
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>>45276208
Why is the Monk hiding in the shadows like he's about to leap out and try to murder everybody?
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How would you build a dex based spear user? Was trying but am somehow failing horribly at it.
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>>45276177
sassy elric is best elric
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>>45276192
>mfw my GM allowed me a custom banner that I can hold alongside Scarlet Throne without losing my bonuses.
Feels good to have a permissive GM.
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>>45276284
elven branched spear
and weapon finesse/deadly agility
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>>45276284
Do you have access to PoW:E? The Polearm Dancer feat does exactly that. If not, Weapon Master's Handbook has a set of style feats that make Dex polearms work, but I'm not super familiar with their ins and outs.

>>45276288
Elric spends most of his time editing his responses to be less sassy. He neglected to do that this time because he hasn't really woken up yet.
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>>45276284
Ornstein would be a good inspiration for him. As a foreverDM, i cant really give you advice on the build, but i'd go for a paladín or fighter.
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>>45276223
That's not the monk. It's clearly a large, hideous orc-beast.

Protect your families. Enlist today!
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Don't hide it from me, /pfg/.

What's your favorite DSP class that isn't an initiator?
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Which are the best 3rd party classes that aren't Dreamscarred Press?
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>>45276497
aegis
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What are the best items to buy for characters in general who start at level 3 with 3,000 gp?

Just assume good general picks.
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>>45276512
Radiance House and Ascension Games are the two other publishers I allow unconditionally in my games. The former did Occultist (a Binder conversion, with loads of archetype support for the other classes much like DSP does), the latter Nightblade (base-class 6-level-casting Shadowdancer) and some new construct/trap-base classes that are in playtesting.
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>>45276512
interjection games is really good shit
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>>45276497
Guru for basically being Jojo's Bizzare adventure.
The good bits, not the stands.
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>>45276555
>trap-base classes

Are elves and kitsune good at these classes?
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>>45276350
Ornstein is hardly a good inspiration for dex users. He thrusts his spear with might and uses his strength to leap and burst through pillars. If anything he's a strength heavy warpriest or magus. Just because he's in the room with a 40 strength giant doesn't mean he's a dexfag.
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>>45275176
Possibly, but it has to do with women having more slow-twitch muscle fibers, so they can sustain activities for longer compared to men who tend towards more fast-twitch muscle.

I thought that it depended on the type of motions for efficiency? Women have better efficiency when not resistance exercies while for men its the opposite. Their are big differences in how the musculature is on a skeletal level, density and ability to supply it with oxygen, etc..
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>>45276497
I enjoy the Vitalist, followed by the Dread.

Looking through Akashic stuff and still trying to wrap my head around it, but it's pretty neat.
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>>45276512
Liber Vampyr from Necromancers of the Northwest is amazing. If they would fix that fucking paragraph about Revenants getting wis to hp (they don't, they still use CON as though they were alive) it would be the perfect book for playable vampires in non-vampire campaigns.
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>>45276581
Not as good as halflings.
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>>45276549

Wand of cure light wounds if nobody has one yet is a total lifesaver. Otherwise, any of the big 6 are good other than the natural armour/deflection boosters.

e.g. Cloak of resistance +1, a +2 stat booster, a +1 magic weapon, a +1 magic amour

Prioritise whatever you need most.
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>>45274423
Summoner, learn to make my Sta- Eidolon invisible.

Teach other Summoners to do this and how to have True Seeing so only we can see one another's summoned dudes.
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>>45276497
I'm a fan of Psions (egoist and telepaths usually). Soulknife with archetypes is just slightly behind.

Psychic armory and Living Legend are great.
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So I went to my local comic book shop where I randomly played Pathfinder for the first time. I had fun and was given a Character Sheet and was told I should create a character.

Do I go ahead and fill it out without a GM present? I have the PDFs and an online dice rolling generator ready. Is this fair or dishonest?
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>>45274423
I prefer Spiritualist. I don't want the summoned monsters, I can't use them while my eidolon's about, but because it's such a powerful feature that scales all the way across 20 levels, the summoner can't really have much else. Spiritualist's bonus feats and utility SLAs and bonded manifestation aren't perfect, but they're more what I want in situations where I'm dismissing the pet on a pet class.
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>>45276497
Vitalist or Tactician
Gotta keep the party in line somehow.
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>>45276666
Do you know HOW you're supposed to create the character? Any houserules or restrictions, point-buy/rolling method, what level, etc.
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>>45276570
Still not seeing the Akasha= hamon connection.
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>>45276666

Is it part of pathfinder society? If so you should read up on their specific character creation rules. You don't need dice - you use point buy - so there is no fairness of honesty involved (usually your sheet will be checked by the DM too to make sure there's no mistakes).
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>>45276721
>>45276793
Yes it was a Pathfinder Society game anon. I believe the GM did mentioned point buying, which is something I quite don't understand yet.

Do I have to buy the books or can I just print out the pages from a PDF? I could buy the core book but if I want a specific class or race I can just print out that individual section or is that frowned upon?
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>>45276856
If it's official PFS, you have to buy every book you want to use, yes. It's how Paizo makes a lot of their money, by holding the sanctioned events behind a paywall.
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>>45276856
http://webpages.charter.net/tedsarah/Pathfinder/utilities/pointBuyCalc.htm
fool around with this
pfs uses 20 points
>>45276877
yup, and it is huge bullshit
druids are prob the cheapest character to run, only needing the core book to dominate
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>>45276856

This may help you anon

http://www.meetup.com/Dragons-Lair-Pathfinder-Society/pages/Pathfinder_Society_Character_Creation_Cheat_Sheet/

You need to buy a book in order to use the resources within. However, you do not need a copy of the core rulebook and can use any rules from the core book without owning it. This is because the GM is required to supply this book. It does help to have a copy though.

You can get away as a player with not buying anything if you use core rules only. This works fine for some classes (wizard, cleric, druid) but is not recommended at all for others (rogue, monk, fighter).
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Im guessing a warders profession would be a blacksmith?
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>>45276497
Soulknife, or if we can go into archetypes, the Gambler arch for Kineticists.
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>>45276497
SOULKNIFE
It's so garbage but I love it anyhow. It looks like the new book should hopefully make it better, but really it's just 'Fighter that doesn't spend money on magic sword'
>>45277098
Mine's a professional conman.
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>>45277098
Or professional bodyguard
Or tactician with that Int focus
Maybe mercenary
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I wants to marry all of you /pfg/
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>>45276908
>>45276901
>>45276877
>>45276793
Thank you for the help and links anon!
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Man this thread went to shit for the majority of it, hadn't it?
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>>45276856
your pdf needs to have your email watermark on it.
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>>45277186
pro tips : play a class that can use magic.

Even if you wants to play martial. There is nothing that a Fighter or a Monk can do that a Ranger or Paladin couldn't do better.
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New Bread Thread: >>45277570
>>45277570
>>45277570
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Show me your Bardadins, /pfg/.
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>>45275225
This.
The reason we endure childbirth has nothing to do with better constitution and everthing to do with producing retarded amounts of drugs even within our bodies - and even then, you take the epidural. Stop asking questions and just take it

The tolerance for pain in cases like compound fractures is a bit lower than men's, not higher.

Women perform a completely necessary and extremely critical function of humanity with their bodies. But to pretend there is no cost to that is idiocy. There's always an exchange, and the special abilities "grow young organisms" and "feed young organisms" are what we get out of it. Our dexterity is no worse, but not better, and our strength and constitution both a little lower.

However, smaller bodies can endure g-forces at certain angles (but then so does the little asian man) and women require a good amount less food outside of pregnancy which is a huge advantage.
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>>45276737
You literally can't get more hamon than a magical force you channel into objects that harms undead whilst nonlethally subduing organics that can be channeled into various physical attacks that disable a specific body part.
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>>45275786

The weird thing about Golarion's Silk Road is that they're both in the north; Jade Regent has you follow the Path of Aganhei in very explicit detail, and the other route goes from Mammoth Lords to Casmaron to Goka while being a bit more nebulous.
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>>45276585

Wouldn't Ornstein be a Warlord with Elemental Flux and Piercing Thunder?
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>>45277098

My Warder is a merchant.
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>>45278107

Pretty sure one of these threads statted up Ornstein and the rest of Gwyn's knights at some point. Then again, that was probably before PoW; may be a topic worth revisiting.
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Is it true that Hell's Vengeance has a pine tree disguised as a person on the cover? How evil can you get?
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So if you're a natural attack based character and have 2+ claw attacks can you use Thrashing Dragon Whirlwind for loads of attacks?
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