SHADOWS OVER INNISTRAD BABY
>Werewolves still have the same flip clauses meaning they'll still only ever be vaguely useful in limited while going directly against the cards inherent aggressive nature
You had a chance to fix it. To make them playable, and you pissed it all away.
I'm not even surprised and yet I'm still mad.
>Wizards is going to be super butthurt again
I love when people slowly start to realize what a terrible company they're supporting. Stick with eternal formats, boys.
I really like all four of the abilities presented too. Madness makes its triumphant return, Delirium is an interesting take on a threshold mechanic, Skulk is a great evasive ability for little bodies and Investigate seems like a really interesting way of getting card advantage in the long-term.
Chandere pls go.
>chandere will never not be buttmad about Nahiri
>Madness is back
>Delirium isn't utter garbagio
>Blues Clues Hype
>No sign of eldrazi
>Signs of Devil tribal/token spam archetype
Other than the return of Werewolves, using the same flip trigger, not much to be butthurt over, friend.
The amount of leaks we currently get is fucking hilarious.
For a second I was hyped about Madness but then I remembered the year it is and how they will just make the blandest fucking cards ever. I can see it now
Put two +1/+1 counters on target creature you control
Don't be dumb.
That seems way too powerful.
-Target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn
-Remove 1 loyalty counter from target planeswalker
>$35.00 and sold out on SCG
I'm pretty disappointed in the lack of lovecraftian horror.
Like Maro keeps saying, if it's not in common its not your theme.
Though I'm fucking pumped over Madness coming back, and the clue tokens are so fucking stupid but it sounds fun as hell.
My guess would be a mystery focused first block, a lot of weird unexplained shit going on, investigation, kind like a game of eldrich horror. Then comes the second block, Emrakul makes his appearance and the entire plane goes to shit until the avengers get over their differences and save the day.
Well, from what we've seen in this pack, it isn't quite Eldrazi fucked. Just business as usual in Innistrad.
Damn. No gold flipcards. No legendary flipcards, based on the names. I like that we got more artifact flip cards, but eh. Nothing crazy. Skin invasion looks like an enchantment flip card, so that might be cool.
But that just highlights the problem of their current 2-block format, they need three blocks to actually do what you're describing.
>1. Establishing shit is fucked up, wonder why?
>2. Escalation, oh no Horror themed Eldrazi!
>3. Resolution, thanks Jace, for saving the day once more, we truly are the Oath of the Gatewatch.
With only two blocks they'll need to do the reveal and the resolution in the same set, which kind of downplays the threat of Emrakul by a lot.
>tfw new artifact block never ever
Nobody asked for new werewolves.
>yfw people say "i'll not look at the leaks because is unfair"
I find it somewhat unbelievable that any EDH communities were calling for more werewolves.
I find it more plausible that marketing was calling for more werewolves because zombies, vampires, and werewolves sells fucking packs. They followed up the monsters with sweet angels and it was like they developed the most enticing block ever.
I thought the turnout for Innistrad and Dark Ascension was enormous. Avacyn Restored, a complete dogshit set and Limited format had even MORE people show up.
...? You said Nahiri would be pissed? Or that Demolish wasn't going to be reprinted? Or that exile is moving more into red?
We did want more werewolves. Because we basically want every tribe to have enough cards to make 100 card piles from.
They do sell like hotcakes though, I'll give you that. I love the Monster Mash feel of Innistrad.
Kessig Forgemaster and Hermit of the Natterknolls could be legendary. Though I'd imagine we won't get any legendary flip cards for the same reason we didn't last time around; it'd be possible to have two of them out at the same time due to how the legend rule works.
Flashback's not back though.
Honestly, if it was, I'd be so down even with discard first.
I'm now a bit worried. Flashback is such a good mechanic, it can carry a whole set. Without it, Innistrad will likely piss everyone off the way BfZ did by not "feeling" like Innistrad.
I don't think anyone has begun to grasp how huge is this new Investigate mechanic in the eternal formats.
Artifact tokens that can be cracked as on-the-go cantrips and don't actually cause the cards that generate them to cost any more than what their non-investigate parallels would? That's just what affinity needs to be even more broken, not only does it get some aditional draw, but also things like Cranial Plating are going to be much, much more dangerous.
Also maybe we'll see a new Metalcraft deck?, Who knows, everything is possible.
They could bring back flashback for the second set. personally, I'm too excited that they brought back madness to care about no flashback. Especially since Rosewater has said repeatedly that they were unlikely to ever bring it back because it was too complicated. Lying cunt.
I fully expect we'll get a "we wanted to bring back flashback, but it proved too strong with eldrazi processors" or some shit, though. Because god forbid mechanics synergize well with those from other blocks.
I told you the old hag is evil. Bitch was probably mad pissed at Sorin for daring to get his lying, life-destroying vampire ass over her and love a woman with some actual redeeming qualities instead so she decided to pull an Elliot Rodger on him and his plane.
Honestly, I'd prefer some religious horror. A set with some really twisted, horrific angels like they are described in the Old Testament and that also really represented how malign and teisting the devils influence is supposed to be. I could really use some not!christian symbolism thrown in with a little baroque.
Much better than yet another iteration of "Icky tentacles from Beyond"
Good lovecraftian horror is about insanity and body horror, you should preferably never see the cause and you should definitely never understand it.
You know what will be even bigger though? Delirium.
Dredge/Reanimator decks are gonna get all up on that mechanic, its all they could have ever dreamed of.
It literally is "Goyf: The Mechanic"
But that's very similar to religious horror, just think of all those exorcism movies, just how sinister and patent is evil wherever the influence of the Devil reaches, it oozes, it gushes, it completely impregnates the air like an stagnant, ancient curse that makes the human mind delirious, unable to understand what is happening, much less explain why.
You only know that terrible dark forces are at play, and you fear. Fear for your life, for your soul, because you know nothing can save you.
I don't know much about D. Gray Man, but I've been considering getting into it for a long time now. Maybe the right time has come.
How is it?
Unless Emrakul actually wrecks their shit, which makes sense as the other two Eldrazi were already killed off but I don't think Creative wants to wipe them all out for good just yet.
I haven't read the fluff in a really long time. Does Sorin actually give a shit about any women?
As far as I know, fanart only shows him fucking Jace.
Well, an 8 isn't impossible. "Unlikely but possible if it is exactly what we need" and well, Innistrad can pull that off. I just wish I understood all the rules behind it. Apparently, it hits exile briefly at some point? I thought it went hand to stack directly, but fuck knows.
I doubt it. Avacyn and her devotees are pretty clearly as genuinely GOOD as it gets (despite being made by a vampire). Making it "grey" wouldn't really fit the MO, I would think.
Well, Old Testament angels also were unambiguously good, they were just really pant-shittingly monstrous.
There was a very good reason why the phrase "Fear not!" was a thing in the bible.
True. I dunno. Angels are one of the most popular tribes in the game so I don't think Blizz has the balls to fuck with its aesthetic in such a way.
Maybe if they include Archons they could do it, but otherwise I doubt it.
It works the same way it's always worked. If you would discard a card with madness, instead you exile it, then chose to either cast it for it's madness cost or put it into your graveyard. It can't go directly to the stack, because you have to actually cast it before it can get there. Otherwise you wouldn't have to pay the madness cost at all.
Lovecraft and religious horror can be very similar but the key difference is that religion is a somewhat known component and the horror is something we should have known but decided to turn away from, lovecraftian horror is something much more alien, something we can't understand that just creates horror with no perceptible reason or motivation.
Archons are just dudes sitting on flying animals though, and I think they aren't even a thing on Innistrad.
But there's Zombie Horrors (of which this set has at least 1) and Demon Horrors, so what's stopping them from making Angel Horrors?
Even something relatively tame like pic in >>45262000 could work.
Just build an old school stompy-like deck with this card, elves, and this card.
They aren't a thing in innistrad, but if you want things to be shaken up, adding a new tribe would do it.
I dunno. The thing that is stopping them from making Angel Horrors is that people don't want that usually. I know White Phyrexia is popular here on /tg/, but I remember the reactions on the gatherer and places was "WHAT? How the fuck is a WHITE card making HORROR tokens? Have they lost their mind?"
Yeah, but with the Eldrazi it'd be just another set of space calamari.
Don't misunderstand me, I like tentacles as much as the next guy, but the Eldrazi are a far call from what traditional Lovecraftian horror is supposed to be. Sure, they do the desolation, alienness and power beyond comprehension parts very well, but they fall flat o the more subtle parts of the genre that make it stand out from other monster attack horror genres.
See, thing is that the fact that white has already made similar things serves as a precedent for hypothetical Angel Horrors, since we already know just how twisted things can get even in white. Plus, white Phyrexians had a very good reception even outside /tg/ after all was said and done.
Plus, I think it was a point that no tribes were inherently good or evil, just like colors. These Angel Horrors would be just as good and lawful as the other angels, making them fall in alignment with white in the minds of consumers.
Plus, it would be really on theme with all the "twisted/reverse Avacyn's sign" shtick.
Well, so far I'm loving most of what I've seen, so I'm kind of excited. Sure, it's soon to get your hopes up but after Oath i have some faith in Wizards delivering a nice Standard experience.
And completely fucking over Modern in the process.
Good thing I'm a standard only player.
People need to realize that when the Modern economy becomes unstable, the entire Magic economy becomes unstable.
Eternal format staples are mostly a safe investment since most of them are on a reserved list.
However, Modern is just too unpredictable. The bannings of Summer Bloom and Splinter Twin completely obliterated the Modern archetypes. The top 8 of Modern PTOGW was 6 Eldrazi:2 Affinity.
If Modern becomes even more unstable, panic selloffs can happen that collapse Standard staple values, since Standard players only make up a fraction of MTG demographics, while Modern players make up the majority.
OR, panic buyouts can happen, hyperinflating the prices of popular cards so they become utterly unattainable to the average player (Star of David Games: The Format).
If Eye of Ugin or Tron lands get banned, you can say goodbye to your $10 Eldrazi Mimics and $30 Ulamogs. Then the meta will become something else that will warrant more bans.
Here's to hoping that SoI is the block that saves Modern.
It's always Florida.
Florida is... special.
That's what I thought too. Not only that but it's a second return block in a row, and now it's all but confirmed to have the superfriends again because Jace is on the packaging.
I don't want another avengers story.
I'm in the Modern thread despite not playing to format to try to gauge reactions. I don't know how this sort of thing could've happened.
What's Standard like nowadays? I'm glad someone is happy with the state of MTG besides us EDH and Limited people.
I really can't imagine Modern being the majority of MTG demographics compared to Standard. Modern doesn't even fire off at my LGS. I don't know. I thought Wizards said Standard is the most popular format since new players basically only play Standard if they play tournament magic.
I really hope that it is because they want to finish a story arc and then we'll get two new settings in a row.
Standard is an unplayable mess composed of a terrifyingly high amount of Abzan midrange, meme rhinoserooos, 4 color goodstuffs, GR Eldrazi Ramp, Delvers and Atarka Red. But that's just because of how dominating Khans and Fate Reforged are in the format. You can kiss goodbye to all that stuff soon enough and then a lot of new shit will pop up, which is always a recipe for fun and diversity.
I'm simmering with anticipation.
Right now I'm basically deciding what formats to play because I don't have enough MTG in my life and I have a bit of extra cash now.
But none of the constructed tournament formats seem fun, really. I'll look more into Standard after Innistrad, for sure.
Jace may have singlehandedly fixed Ravnica (somehow...?), but at least for Oath he has to be Gideon's bitchboy.
Yeah. I guess I can't complain about returning planes when Dominaria was basically Earth 2.0 in terms of strangeness.
But back when in I read the M2012 booklet and it told me about the universe and worlds made entirely out of metal, I imagined something very different from what planes ended up being.
I still hope they make some real weird planes soon.
If you wanna do constructed, Standard is the way to go.
Most of my decks are stupid cheap (20 to 30 bucks), win consistently and can even be played for laughs & giggles in Modern.
The relatively low-powered meta makes it welcoming to beginners and doesn't make it as unviable to run your fun, janky brews. Plus, there's been some talk that a new constructed format might pop up exclusive to the cards utilizing the M15 frame onwards.
Personally I'm just going to keep playing Standard for a few years until I've got enough cards and decks to put something cool and unique together and jump unto a bigger format and see how it goes.
Also Gideon >>>>> Jace.
Jace and Chandra were manipulated into releasing minor Eldrazi earlier on in the block storyline. IIRC it's what made it possible for Nissa to DO NOTHING WRONG and release the Titans.
I'm assuming soi will be mostly about strange happenings on the plane due to some unknown force. The second set will then reveal the cause of these happenings to be none other than spaghetti man himself