>tfw this is a barely fluffed event and so Black Library can't retcon it to hell
Feels good man. It's almost like the old days when they gave us new stuff instead of just retconning the old.
Now there's a word I've come to hate. What's wrong with aiming to tell stories?
It seems these days everything is out to create a defining narrative history of their fictional universe, complete with footnotes. The reward for reading is that you get to know the order in which everything happened, like some historian versed entirely in the magical history of a bunch of plastic men. It takes itself so seriously. Why not just write stories about characters in the universe going somewhere new, finding something new and wrecking its shit?
Who cares whether Horus was wearing red underwear or blue? Who cares about the specifics of a planetary assault or the year it took place? Just write something entertaining.
And advance the setting for once. I don't even care if it gets Age of Sigmar'd.
So having read the first two and really enjoying it so far, I feel there's an important lesson for readers to take away from it.
In universe, no one knows any of this happened. Any sort of historical accounts from this era were either purged a dozen times over by various political and religious regimes, or are buried amongst so much other minutia that it would take an individual a hundred lifetimes to find even a mention of it in the records of the administratum.
Out of universe, Black Library's finally been allowed to move away from only releasing stories that are direct product tie-ins and this is the fruits of that. I'd expect more in the future.
There's a nine story Deathwatch short series that's exactly what you're looking for.
You mean the Imperial Fists legion that's already been dead for 1,500 years at that point? Or the 2nd founding chapter who has exactly the same legitimacy of being called Imperial Fists as the original chapter?
So let's go back to the 2nd founding for a second. You've got a whole bunch of guys in yellow. All of them are Imperial Fists. Some of them paint themselves Black. Some of them paint themselves blue and red. Some paint themselves grey. Some don't paint themselves any color. Are they still all Imperial Fists?
Stories change all the god damn time. Do you people even know how many versions of King Arthur there are. This idea of a fictional canon is brand new and frankly, it's kind of weird. To the vast majority of human history, all of our pointless bickering about canon would come off like we think it's real or something.
Dorn specifically split the Fists in a very special way. The Chapters created where all very different to each other, with the Fistly core remaining the Imperial Fists.
They are all dead now.
>Every single story you've ever read about the Imperial Fists in M41, that's not them.
Yup that's the retcon.
>These are the Imperial Fists
>The Imperial Fists are not really the Imperial Fists but rather they are some new second founding Chapter I pulled from my ass
What a shame, poor Fists.
So let's go back to the 2nd founding for a second. You've got a whole bunch of guys in yellow. All of them are Imperial Fists. Some of them start recruiting from Rynn's World. Some of them start recruiting from Eschara. Some recruit from Eidolica. Some of them say just crusade my shit up and recruit fucking everyone from everywhere they go. Some keep recruiting from Terra and Inwit. Are they still all Imperial Fists?
It's an Imperium of a million worlds spread loosely across the galaxy that has stood for 10,000 years. If you want to make up your own damn story, go all the way and make up your own damn characters.
You don't have to write fanfiction, but when you do it is your responsibility to get shit about the already extant storyline correct.
If you want to write a story about a serious, short, thin Space Wolf with a sarcastic nickname about his size don't just shoehorn Haegr the Mountain in there. We know Haegr, he's so big he needed custom crafted armor to contain his bulk and is mirthy as fuck. You're looking for Grimfang the Giant or some shit like that.
>It's almost like the old days when they gave us new stuff instead of just retconning the old.
pic related. The Fists say hi
The difference is there were characters alive who would know the prequels. There aren't any who would know the events of The Beast Arises, and any record would long since be destroyed.
I wouldn't say it's a retcon, we never had any fluff I can think of that says the Imperial Fists were never destroyed and replaced.
So it doesn't violate the spirit of OP's post.
However, the way fagnett killed off the Fists was really shitty. They were practically killed off as an after thought.
>I wouldn't say it's a retcon, we never had any fluff I can think of that says the Imperial Fists were never destroyed and replaced.
We've also never had any fluff saying that the entire universe isn't just the imagining of some faggot dog somewhere in Texas, but if that was to suddenly be inserted it would be a hell of a retcon.
>The Iron Warriors get wiped out
>The rest of the Iron Warriors at Medrengard go to Phall and get wiped out too.
>Turns out the Iron Warriors of M41 are a Chaos Warband called Iron Soldiers that turned traitor shortly before the story that Perturabo adopts
>You're acting like Abnett has never killed off major characters before.
Well he did brutalise the Alpha Legion in Legion, but he never killed them, this is bold, even for him. Poor Fists.
>The novel overall is good. Just the space marine parts are bad.
What? The rest of the novel is incredibly dry and features such gems as retired assassin who comes back to being an assassin and bumbling Inquisitorial henchman.
Exactly. Abnett doesn't do space marines well.
Just have him stick to IG or Inquisitors, or hell, maybe even Sisters. Sisters could use some love (or maybe not, depending on the overall lamentations in this thread).
>And the first stories that have ever been written about the High Lords of Terra.
And spectacularly poor ones to boot!
The Halls of Terra are really just high school cliques! Amazing, bravo Abnett!
I'm not even an Alpha Legion fan, but I understand their problem.
Before Legion AL was some spec ops legion, now it's a bunch of dudes that don't even know if they're loyalists or traitors anymore.
>This is basically a whole-new story.
Fucking shame that this has become a Black Library novelty.
>According to a recent poll there are 16 present-day Black Library shills on /tg/
>16! That's more people than are in this thread
If it meant bringing in new fluff-blood into the setting, sure; rather than just endlessly retconning what came before.
Not even Alexander in Space is safe from Black Library's shit.
>Those two things aren't incompatible.
But one is cool, and one is lame.
I AM ALPHARIUS
BUT WAIT I'M ALSO ALPHARIUS
Abnett committed gross character assassination of the Alpha Legion and just outright assassinated the Imperial Fists.
yfw according to that poll, most fa/tg/uys just pick and choose what they like anyway. Yet they would still rather yell about how Black Library is ruining their setting.
Is /tg/ that boring otherwise?
Then either you didn't go to a large high school or you've never experienced politics, either in an actual political arena or in an academic/industry setting, because the two are near perfect matches to one another.
I understand your sentiment, because at the end of the day fiction is just entertainment, but can you also not see that there's some value to be had in planning your stories out ahead of time ingeniously so that everything makes sense in an "oh shiiiit" way, a long time down the line? And can you also not see how aggravating it can be when a previously established story with a lot more potential is thrown out the window and replaced with something dumb? I'm arguing in the name of the entertainment value. It can be diminished by a crappy creative/editorial staff who give no shits. You don't need to have solid continuity for every fiction franchise. In fact, it works in favor of some to give canon the middle finger. But there's SOME sort of thought and planning put into even that. When the whole franchise is just run by committee and trends, it just turns into a mess of continuous lameness.
I also disagree with your assessment of the state of fiction in general. Almost no series of any sort care about continuity. It's one of the hardest things in the world to write because it requires so much planning. Most stuff just runs with a cool idea in the moment at the very best, or at worst writes in whatever dumbshit narratives reel in idiots through shock value (the equivalent of clickbait in journalism).
No, anon, just decimated.
Iron Cage split the legion. Following the codex is completely different. Compare the Imperial Fists in the first book to the Fists Exemplar in the second. The latter are organized identically to an Ultramarine successor, whereas the former are anything but.
>Iron Cage split the legion. Following the codex is completely different.
u a dummy bro
My point is it's changing things for the sake of changing them (and to obviously up the stakes by blowing up a first founding chapter). The codex business was handled WHEN DORN WAS STILL AROUND, not centuries after all the primarchs fucked off.
That was the entire purpose of the Iron Cage, for Dorn.