I'm about to start a game with costum post-apocalyptic setting, but with heavy wibes from just before the 2YK shit came down. In this world, everything went to shit thanks to it. Think Fallout-ish but in the 90's (so 20 years ago).
What are some must-have things that you associate with the 90's? Bubblegumdance, Nokia 3210 and backward caps are a given, but I'd like some more examples of shit you associate with the 1990's.
>Surely you have some happy memories from the 90's?
Aeon Flux, Massive Attack, drum 'n' bass, pre-millienial tension, everything being XXXXXXXXTREME, Simpsons Golden Age, dialup internet, Fresh Prince, plaid shirt and goatee combos, conspiracy theories, Billie Piper, Sharon Stone, Bob Saget, Pauly Shore, Carmen Electra, Kate Moss, Playstation, boy bands, Beverly Hills 90210, neon surfwear.
I have a few.
>tfw women don't have big hair anymore
Something about 90's underwear, especially the high thong, still does it for me
I watched a lot of Cinemax back then
another example also modeled by the lovely Ms Casta
>things that you associate with the 90's?
uncle comming back from frontline bringing spent ammo and shrapnel for us kids to play with, once brought back a enemy helmet with a bullethole, much fun was had
but seriously, PC-s & floppy disks
>global technacolour heat reactive colour change t-shirts.
>Italian Europop (Think Jam & Spoon, Plavka etc)
>speed, acid, weed
>ecstasy not so much but it's there
>cocaine less than the others due to finances I expect
>easy to fake ID
Through some fluke I had a lot of friends that where muso's when I was in the 90's.
Some of the house parties we had where insane in a 3 story old terrace house, we'd get a techno outfits, DJ and a rock band for about 4 cases of beer with about 100 people losing their absolute shit.
I got really good at talking to police about noise complaints
Unfairly maligned comic books. While stupid and often nonsensical they were not nearly as derivative as they are today.
Oh man. You couldn't get away with stuff like this anymore these days.
People are way too obsessed with political correctness.
It's NSFW btw
>Rotterdam Terror Corps
man, gabber was my shit
>posts a fucking American band that got banned in most places
Yeah because there's nothing like that in the age of Tom Green and Borat and Jackass, right? And of course nobody complained at the time, did they?
Definite underager detected
lel. Somebody's pretty butthurt.
Imagine for a second, that music by Americans was indeed played by other radio stations around the world.
If I call you sonny a few times or kid I'm sure you'll see how much more mature I am than you.
You're a joke man.
>I'm glad I was there but I don't remember much of it
>I have chronic flashbacks everytime I hear "Born Slippy"
I hear you... here's some good old free-party classics I used to love rolling.
SP 23 - This Is Trance
DJ Krust - Warhead (steppa mix)
Esoterik - Desert Planet
New Wave Of Acid Techno - Lochi
L.S.G. - Blueprint
Underworld - Rez
Curley - odd sins
Utah Saints - What Can You Do For Me
Meth is called Speed an sniffed instead of smoked. But only to get a pickup from all the e, which wasn't meth back then.
Electronic music is a counter culture, like Hip Hop in the 80s, not a commercial scene of label releases and festival events with parking and security.
All TV is incredibly formulaic. Epic plots are for the big screen. But cartoons remember their political activist origin and while The Simpsons start their long decay into meaningless drivel, shows like Duckman eke out an existence on late night TV.
>punk's not dead
It was never alive to begin with. It's a fucking stillborn zombie. Music for people to drunk to play, ideology for those too intoxicated to think. Nothing but random vandalism and whining about shit that you maybe could change but can't be bothered to.
Holy shit the 1990s were good years. Goth girls, you could have casual, consensual sex and not be at risk for rape charges. Music was fucking amazing. Movies were, too.
Plus there was this thing. It's hard to describe. Girls were under a lot of pressure to have sex, or else they'd be a prude. More than half the girls I knew were bi, and the rest were at least officially bicurious. They were kind of under pressure that way, lest they be accused of being homophobes. It was so fucking easy to get a threesome back then.
I credit the CHristian coalition. Girls who weren't totally in that camp felt like they had to be all the way on the other side.
Plus no stupid yoga pants. Girls wore miniskirts like they're supposed to. Maybe fishnets. Damn I feel like I haven't seen a bare leg in a social setting since 2008.
Don't go by the Spice Girls. They were empty pop, but in those days the indie scene was where all the good music was. Drum and base, trance, trip hop, goth of course, techno. The rave scene was the beginning of the end but in its really early days it was tits.
Plus you were shitting money in those days. Half the 4chan crowd would be "developers" making US$80k plus. The other half that can't program would be "graphic designers" and making 40k. And the shit they'd do to keep you happy: espresso bars, massages at your desk, game rooms, people actively trying to avoid headhunters trying to lure them away to better jobs.
tldr you kids are missing out. The 2000's were ok and the 2010's are fucking awful.
Often bizarre art and design aside there were so amazing ideas floating around back then. Now a days it's the same shit rahashed every week. It's Captain America! but black! And then white again! It's Hulk but asian! Fuck this shit.
Companies were experimenting with stuff. You had things like Stormwatch pushing the envelope. And i kind of miss all those pouches.
>Watch Tank Girl
I think you meant READ? The movie sucks hairy balls (soundtrack excluded).
Age test failed, you mean. Half their "90s references" came from the 80s, and a lot of the rest came from the 2000s.
Gents, go watch The Crow, Wild Things, the Craft, The Professional, and Heat. Listen to Amon Tobin's Permutation, DJ Shadow's Endtroducing, and Morphine's album Yes. Go pick up the first compilation of Sandman comics. Get a couple bf/gf couples to dress like goths* and run a game of Vampire: the Masquerade-- JUST the second edition hardcover, no expansions or supplements.
*Not the Hot Topic parody that appeared later. Girls: black minidress or camisole/skirt combo, fishnets and boots or high heels. An ankh necklace. Boys: black jeans or pants, black tee shirt, or a band shirt with a goth band or weathered 70s indie rock concert shirt, black boots/doc martens, black trenchcoat, sunglasses. The 80s were all about excess and being over the top. The 90s tried to dial it back and took a "we're still in costumes, but less is more" vibe.
Or, you know, Buffy.
People take the themes for granted today and believe Whedon is full of shit, but this is the show that established them.
Naw man, it's a girl fighting you and all your bullshit while popping six-packs and driving a tank. It's a power fantasy, but not one where girls are the victims.
After Osama bin Ladin, shit wasn't fun anymore. Even now, look at the screeching /pol/ shit. People were just as political back then, but nobody was this hateful or intense about it. Nobody went around shitting up boards because it contained Heretics.
There's such anger these days.
I dunno, man. The same way it's hard to listen Wagner without nazi wibes ruining your mood it's hard to me to enjoy Tank Girl without thinking that the same people who enjoyed it in the '90 are now leading hardline feminist crowd.
>Osama bin Ladin
That's just the thing though. It's when the narrative stopped working. I'm not saying it made sense before, but at that point people couldn't believe it any more. Nothing about that character and the threat associated with it seems authentic. Which isn't to say it wasn't real, just that it didn't make sense. And still doesn't.
Since then the official narrative is obvious bullshit and any diverting opinion is crazy, reactionary, or both.
I've always liked Whedon. But Buffy came at the end of that era. In retrospect, it mainstreamed the tropes that had beeen building up all decade.
But yeah by all means watch it. very good show. The X-files were good, too, but they don't age as well because you come into the show now knowing that the metaplot isn't going to go anywhere. Whereas at the time we were all at the edge of our seat wonedering what Chris Carter had planned for us.
You know, the It girls of the 90s aged pretty well. Natalie Portman screwed her career with Star Wars, but you can hardly blame her for it. It's funny that she does a movie as a stripper, then a movie where she has a sex scene with Mila Kunis, and everyone agreed they were good, and that was kind of it. After a decade of nerdy salivating.
Alyssa Milano and Drew Barrymore did a bunch of hot-as-fuck softcore movies, then recovered and have nice lives, careers and families. Neve Campbell just got divorced but is doing ok. Sarah Michelle Gellar and Allyson Hannigan are fine. Even most of the spice girls landed on their feet.
Then look at the train wrecks of the hotties of the 2000s: Megan Fox, Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Miley Cyrus. I mean yeah emma watson and tay tay are still fine, but the jury's stil out, you know?
The 90s were a time of peace and prosperity and rose-tinted everything. Y2K was honorary 90's but 2001 fucked it all up.
Apocalypse hymn :
>Place went to shit at 9/11.
Lucky me in 98 had joined the army after uni and got marched off in 99 to go do peacekeeping for a couple of relatively 'fun' tours in tropical places, well they seemed fun in hindsight considering what was going to happen.
From 2000 onward it was either prep to deploy, deploying, training and repeat that until about 2007 when I just couldn't do it any more. That and getting blown up a couple of times didn't help.
>There's such anger these days.
The funny thing is, most of them don't genuinely have anything to be shitty about, its all piss and vinegar whinging about stuff they mostly on see or hear about 2nd hand or get it into their head its something they need to be noisy about.
There's a lot of love about life and a lot of people have it a damn sight fucking harder than they do in the world
Didn't they consider themselves a continuation of the punk scene?
I loved some of the very early pop-grunge, but the fucking attitude was terminally cringe-worthy. Grunge deserved what happened to it.
I thought Tank Girl sucked, but I get that people are into it. I feel like the hardline feminists were pushed into fetishes that they didn't really want to do but felt like they had to because they're feminists and don't be a fucking right-wing homophobe prude. So they faked it and talked a little too loudly about how liberating and sexy and empowering it all is. Then they got tenure and turned into frigid despots.
>The Narrative doesn't make sense!
>The truth is out there!
Only authentically 90s post in thread.
>Girls were under a lot of pressure to have sex. More than half the girls I knew were bi, and the rest were at least officially bicurious. It was so fucking easy to get a threesome back then.
From what dreamland are you from??
Eurodance is the best soundtrack for apocalypse.
Look at it like this:
Y'know how girls these days are... I guess sluttier works, as a matter of course, to the point where a 12 year old going out in a thong and yoga pants is common?
That shift had it's start in the 90's.
>I guess sluttier works, as a matter of course, to the point where a 12 year old going out in a thong and yoga pants is common?
But it's not appealing, yoga pants are pretty bad and it's so sexualized it ends up totally non-sexual. I'm glad it's not widespread here.
But the 90s weren't really a time of high fashion either. Multicoloured waterproof jackets.
>But the 90s weren't really a time of high fashion either
You do realise that in 20 years people will be looking back at... whatever the fuck we are wearing today with the same amazement, right? Fashion is not some objective thing that could be right or wrong.
The dotcom boom
The rise of hiphop
Silly as fuck commercials
Billabong (I live in California)
Strange video games like Earthworm Jim
Sonic games that were actually good
The BET becoming popular
Movies like Independence Day and Alien 3
Arnold Schwartzeneggar movies that were good
The UK music scene becoming more known in the US
America's Funniest Home Videos
Anything with Bob Saget
George Carlin (Was probably more famous in the 80s but I personally didn't discover him until the 90s)
Great fucking stand-up comedy in general
Forrest Gump; Tom Hanks in general
Awesome fucking cartoons like Ren & Stimpy and Rocco's Modern Life
Action League Now
Keenan and Kell
Eddy Murphy movies weren't shit (They were still better in the 80s but they weren't bad yet)
The Sony Walkman
CDs and CD players in general
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Red Hair Dye (I dunno why, but I remember a lot of people around me going redhead in the 90s)
Desert Storm/Desert Shield
People stopped being scared of the Russians
I think that's all I got for now.
>Plus no stupid yoga pants.
I am going to guess that you aren't an ass man. Yoga pants have done wonderful things to ass men everywhere that a miniskirt could not hope to accomplish.
The easy access was nice, though.
As an ass man I'd have to disagree. The tease of barely concealed buns is much more powerful than the blatant demonstration of said buns through a stretch fabric that I wouldn't even put on my phone.
You know damn well even back in the 90s, at least a third if not over half the girls in the mini-skirts had spats under them.
I swear to fuck if that was only at my high school I will be all of the salt.
>I mean yeah emma watson and tay tay are still fine, but the jury's stil out, you know?
Nah, they picked up an ideology.
It killed them as quickly as Russel Brand killed Katy Perry.
I like BOTH, you double nigger, because I like winning.
I like sporty bitches with firm asses in yoga pants, I like classy girls in sophisticated dresses, I like saucy wenches with permanent come hither eyes wearing corsets.
I LOVE GIRLS, and thus I profit.
You know all those post apocalyptic music inspired bandits. think those except replace the grunge, rock, or punk with Smash Mouth.
Also soul patches everywhere
I get what you're saying about not leaving enough to the imagination... but to me yoga pants don't even do that. They just don't strike me as revealing. I've never seen a hot girl in yoga pants whose hotness is improved by the fact that they're wearing yoga pants. They can make even a fit girl look dumpy and gross.
>Multicoloured waterproof jackets.
>at least a third if not over half the girls in the mini-skirts had spats under them.
Never saw them in the USA. Not saying they weren't a thing, but I never saw them where I lived. I had to google what spats were. Where I was, it was bare legs, pantyhose, or fishnets.
>I am going to guess that you aren't an ass man. Yoga pants have done wonderful things to ass men everywhere that a miniskirt could not hope to accomplish.
Yeah more of a leg man myself. I like a nice ass but I'm not obsessed with it.
>The easy access was nice, though.
Heh, tfw you never will fuck a girl with her miniskirt still on.
This guy gets it in a major way. To me yoga pants are up there with high-waisted jeans as bad fashion choices we'll all forget.
Actually, the apex of the miniskirt era was the 2000's, when it merged with zettai ryouiki and suddenly you had girls in miniskirts wearing thigh high socks or stockings. And not just goths like in the 90s but ordinary girls just walking down the street. OMFG we traded that away for fucking yoga pants?!
Am I getting older or is fashion getting fragmented enough that it's getting harder to tell what decade someone is from?
I walk around and most girls seem to be wearing the same pseudo-pajamas that they've been wearing since the Bush Administration. Tee shirt or hoodie, and yoga pants or pajama pants. Plus some oversized glasses. Hair's changed a lot, but it seems like fashion is getting more bland.
>Hair's changed a lot, but it seems like fashion is getting more bland.
It's mostly just messy now. Ponytails of various descriptions or that weird pineapple thing.
Middle aged women all have bob cuts.
Yeah those were stupid ridiculed even then. It's like the 90's picked out a couple things to be the fashion choices we'd all ridicule, and then mostly stuck with classics.
Even the stereotypical guy in black tshirt/black jeans/black trenchcoat/boots/sunglasses. I mean, absolutely a cliche and a sure sign of what today we'd call a neckbeard. But as fashion choices go, they were pretty classic.
The classic goth girl in a black minidress with a silver ankh. I mean, really it's just the standard little black dress with some accessories. Flattering, not too flashy, looks great, timeless.
>Hair's changed a lot, but it seems like fashion is getting more bland.
Mens hair is pretty fucking dull. The hipster with the top-knot and beard looking like a faggot lumberjack seems to be dying out thankfully.
My 90s hair was long, black with a shock-streak through the front and often undercut at the sides.
Friends though it was great, they had all kinds of fucked up, crazy spikey hair too
Relatives thought I'd started worshipping satan
Yeah that's because bob cuts were fucking hot back in the 90's when those girls were in their early 20s.
It's a fashion truism: shit that looks hot on a teen or 20something looks bad on a middle-aged or elderly woman.
Very much this.
>To me yoga pants are up there with high-waisted jeans as bad fashion choices we'll all forget.
Add to that list something new I've seen. Activist girls with headscarves. I'm fine with women who wear them for religious reasons, but feminists putting on burkhas because multiculturalism was supposed to be parody, not an instruction manual.
In the 90's, you had girls showing how liberating and empowered they were by doing amateur porn. Or at least "fetish modeling". I'm not shitting you, they were sticking it to the patriarchy by transgressing restrictive sexual norms. Or some shit like that. It was fucking awesome.
90's feminists, why the hell did you turn into 2010's feminists?
So how does all this translate into a post apocalypse?
>Most 90s feminists didn't turn into 2010 feminists. 90s feminists got older, married, had kids, and 2010 feminists fucking hate them for it.
Some of them did. Some of them kept that shit up until they discovered they were turning 40 and no-one wanted a 40-something that's spent their lives drinking and fucking. They're the core of the most aggressive strains of modern feminism.
>To me yoga pants are up there with high-waisted jeans as bad fashion choices we'll all forget.
They won't go away, anon.
Do you know why? Because most women find yoga pants COMFORTABLE to wear. They are utilitarian, like sweat clothes, not a fashion statement.
It's like saying athletic shorts is a fad for guys. Clothing that is free of fashion concerns sticks around.
Eliza Dushku seems not to have gone off the deep end.
Emma Watson, maybe. T-swift is still kind of iffy whether she's sold our or whether she's playing along just enough that she doesn't get picketed. I never thought of it that way, but I guess that's how both of them lost me.
Denise Richards was another It girl. She married Charlie Sheen, and that's pretty much all you need to know about her, but she seems to have escaped without completely falling apart.
It's like something in the water that made 90's girls even sluttier than 80's or 2000's girls... and yet somehow land on their feet and not turn into trainwrecks.
>Clothing that is free of fashion concerns sticks around
Whatever you say anon
Dushku has always been 3rd rate. Faith was hot, but after that she never had another role that wouldn't have been better suited to 100 different faces. Dollhouse didn't recover from making her the lead.
But to underline your point, look at the 90s Nickelodeon kids today. Larisa Oleynik, Jessica Alba, they have a life and a career. Maybe not Miley's, but who wants that other than Billy Ray?
Wow that makes a lot of sense.
Yeah so when I was in my 20's lots of girls insisted that they'd never have kids, and many said they wouldn't get married. They didn't want to be some stepford wife baking cookies for the patriarchy. Several were pretty strident about it. They'd travel and party and self-actualize instead. Fish don't need bicycles either.
Then comes their 30's. Most quietly paired up with a man and had kids. They didn't admit they were wrong, mostly they just stopped talking about it and pretended they'd never believed anything else.
But a few just got louder and more determined. Their 30's roll by and as the pickings get slimmer and their own value on the market declines, any increasing temptation to settle down can be resisted. Now suddenly all your old friends are happy and their kids are cute. You feel a tug in your heart, but it's too late. Menopause is coming, and it's less a matter of meeting a good man than getting laid at all. All the men you used to date have found a new crop of 20 and 30 year olds.
So you get bitter and angry and play sour grapes with your sex drive.
tl;dr 2010's feminism is /r9k/ for women.
That's a good point too. I hope you're wrong but fear you're right.
>Fish don't need bicycles either
You know, I wonder how an analogy that was so obviously bullshit managed to catch on.
People need people, end of story. A bicycle is something completely alien to an aquatic environment. A male is the other 50% of the human species.
Men are from Mars sort of worked, because it played into nonsense stereotypes about the genders, but the fish and the bicycle thing is just so self-evidently stupid that I wonder why anyone gave it 30 seconds consideration, let alone repeat it.
She's never been as talented as she was hot. I'm not talking her career, though. I'm talking her personal life, which always seemed pretty stable.
DIdn't Jessica Alba go mainstream in the late 90's? And Cyrus in the 2000's? (NOPE, just checked, you're right, Dark Angel was premiered in 000M3)
Either way, also good examples. Jessica Alba in her prime was like stupidly hot, like so hot it was hard to comprehend. I while I miss that we never saw a nude scene with her, I have to respect that she never did one. Apparently Hollywood pulled every trick possible to pressure her into one but she stuck to her guns.
Whereas I'd have preferred never to have seen as much of Miley Cyrus as I have, and I've been trying hard NOT to look. I just find her unattractive, and it was a relief when people started saying the same thing.
Dont forget the ''Underground'' craze. Secret raves, underground clubs, that sort of thing. Theres also the beginnings of a lot of Gothic subcultures as well so you can play around with a lot of that sort of stuff.
Smashing Pumpkins would be good for music. Something like Bullet with Butterfly Wings could be a good musical cue. Then theres NiN, Marilyn Manson and so forth.
The 90's was the era when bubblegumdance, hip-hop and industrial/gothic co-existed weirdly. They mightn't all have been mainstream but the mainstream was aware of them and having more flavour to your NPCs can help it feel more real.
Bar that, everyone seemed to have a get rich quick scheme, everyone was obsessed with something and there was less imperative to wear bras.
Well the funny thing is that we already went through this thing in the 70s and 80s. Feminists in those days wore severe clothes, wanted to ban porn, and used slogans like "all sex is rape" and "marriage is slavery". It's easy to forget that the hate on video games and rap music came as much from the activist Left as the right. (Those Parental Advisory stickers on albums came from Tipper Gore's lobbying.)
Being openly, joyously bi had been a big thing in the 1970's, especially for men. Then the 80's hit and suddenly it all went down the memory hole. "It never happened."
Then the 90's hit and suddenly it was cool to be sexy again. The Red Hot Chili Peppers were an 80's band, but their mainstream success in the 90's was paired with the image of the macho, tough-guy alternative music bisexual man. With girls you were actually under pressure to experiment (>>45026939). Being wildly sexy was back to being ok, even encouraged.
Then by the late 2000's, people were getting prudish again. Now we're hip-deep in campus fascism: don't say or do anything that might be "triggering" to someone else, "rape culture", all that. Even with stuff like cosplay at cons now they went from "look don't touch" to "no pics without permission", and from there to, "don't even look or it's exploitation".
To me, it seems like we're on the brink of another sexual reawakening. If the cycle holds, people will relax and get back to fucking each other and we'll all calm down. Sex will get wilder and less sexy as people run out of taboos to defy, and then get creepy and sad... then people will say "enough" and clamp down, then go too far with that... then the cycle starts again.
Miley is just random. She doesn't have a style, her whole thing is hype. And that's desperate. I don't trust desperate people's impulses.
You can wank off, but you can't really follow her career or her life with interest, never mind the things she says.
But even if they try, like Lady Gaga for example, it doesn't work. She has the appeal of a transgender activist. Style, okay. Self respect, yes. But appeal? A stance in life? Let alone a message or a mission?
I don't want them to waste our time with appeals to free Tibet or pray against our economy letting children starve in the 3rd world. But I don't want them to make their money by spying on and charging children who pirate music they would otherwise not download. And making me pretend that's okay to like them.
In the 90s that just didn't come apart so much. There was Napster, and the industry wasn't ready to prosecute that. So at parties everyone brought a CD-Rom with 1,000mp3s and you could just listen to anything you could remember the name of.[/rant]
The quote originated in 1970 and was popularized by Gloria Steinem-- the face of the anti-sex, anti-man feminism of the late 1970s and 1980s. The phrase's heyday was in the late 70s.
By the time the 90's rolled around, it was only used ironically by people who hated that brand of feminism. Not just anti-feminists and MRAs (that movement was just being born and wouldn't really be mainstream for more than a decade) but by sex-positive feminists themselves to ridicule the older generation of man-hating prudes they were overthrowing.
Camille Paglia's columns go on and on and on about this... but in her defense the history she writes is pretty much spot-on accurate. She was a leader in a new wave of pro-sex feminism that saw itself as both feminist AND feminine. Her writing about this new wave that's overthrown hers is pretty fascinating.
Consider as well how biased against men divorce has become. This has worked badly against the feminists that pushed for it.
If a man is going to risk financial devastation to marry you then you better be at least one of:
If you're 40, spent your life partying rather than working the career (because deep down you planned to settle down and have kids eventually) and think housework is beneath you then you've got shit to offer.
The 90s were the coming-of-age of a generation of children from former activists, hippies, anti war demonstrators, and wannabe revolutionaries of the 70s. These parents had had all their ideals turned into Ikea consumerism and saw all their establishment friends buy villas and drive German cars. The children they brought up got some very mixed messages from parents obviously integrated into society with the pension and health insurance of steady employment but also deeply dissatisfied with the values expressed in the structure of this society.
Ok there's a lot you get right here, and a lot you get wrong.
The underground club thing was absolutely real. I remember clubs like that-- the very early days of electronica and what would eventually become the rave scene. VERY secret and exclusive, unbelievably fit girls dancing perfectly.
You get Goth wrong, though. Goth had its origins in the late 1970s, but it really kicked in in the 80s. Go watch Winona Ryder in Betelgeuse for an example. Goth was in its Quirky phase at that point. Very coture, lots of romantic era literature references, sexually open but not terribly sexy yet.
Then in the 1990s it got very, very big. First it stripped down: fewer elaborate costumes and more very simple classic looks. Much sexier. Cross-pollination with industrial music. You were way more likely to get laid. Club nights still often played 80's darkwave. As it slid into the Stripper phase, you saw goth get fetishized and it appeared much more in the media. It was the heyday of Vampire the Masquerade, when I could get 8/10 and higher girls into the games I ran-- even strippers.
Then the 2000's hit. Goth had gotten old and cliched. It was mostly the same girls, but they went from 19 yrs old and 50kg to 35 years old and 100kg. The Landwhale phase.
>The 90's was the era when bubblegumdance, hip-hop and industrial/gothic co-existed weirdly. They mightn't all have been mainstream but the mainstream was aware of them and having more flavour to your NPCs can help it feel more real.
Very good point, but let's add hip hop in as well. Electronica started drawing heavily from that stuff, especially trip hop. Go look up some albums and artists from Ninja Tune. The period was very experimental and cool.
Also, what "scene" you were in could be very important. A scene was basically a costume and taste in music. It's always been a thing but was VERY important in the 1990s to defining you.
Just want to pluck something out of your (good) rant. "Desperate". The 1980s were prudish, at least in terms of what social elites preached. Then the 1990s were liberated, and then sexy, and then the 2000s went from sexy to desperate. And it's that desperation that provoked the backlash that has us back deep in prudishness.
It's the wide availability of attractive single women that makes it so easy for a desirable man to pass on marriage and still get plenty of sex. Of course they can still TALK about marriage to get into a girl's yoga pants.
Meanwhile, a woman who wants a relationship has to put out if she's to compete. She's judged much more harshly on her body and looks because the competition has gotten more intense and fashion less forgiving. Many men will lie to her just for the sex-- and the exploiters are disproportionately represented in the desirable part of the dating pool. The incentives, as you rightly point out, all align AGAINST long-term commitment. Why risk financial and personal destruction with marriage when you can get sex and companionship without it?
She's got messages from the media saying that "you can have it all" but there simply aren't enough hours in the day to have it all, so you feel inadequate. It's all too easy to end up alone.
So while MRAs have a very very strong point to make, the sexual revolution and strident feminist hatemongering hasn't been an unmixed blessing for women, either.
>It's the wide availability of attractive single women that makes it so easy for a desirable man to pass on marriage and still get plenty of sex. Of course they can still TALK about marriage to get into a girl's yoga pants.
This is the other part of the backfire.
If you want to spend your 20s partying before settling down in your 30s you're going to find yourself 30 something years old and competing with the 20 year olds.
Very much this.
Ok let's get back to the 90's nostalgia.
This is probably a good time to talk about wicca. In the 90's lots of teens and 20-somethings practiced this and genuinely demanded that people recognize it as a religion. Again, in retrospect probably a reaction against the religious Right.
This is a very 90s thing to be into. There are still people who are into it, but it seems to have died down and is no longer socially acceptable for some reason. At least, not something you talk about.
Also, you saw the apex of the gangster films during this era. None ever really match the Godfather, but many tried. By the 1990s, such movies had become very stylized.
People talk about Quentin Tarantino's films, and rightly so, but let's not forget Heat. Michael Mann had been best known for making the stylized 80's TV classic Miami Vice. Heat encompassed and expressed the 90s in the same way: the style, the plot, the characters, the costumes, and especially the music.
Plus the long-awaited pairing of two great actors of their time: Al Pacino and Robert de Niro. The funny thing is that the two appear full-face on screen together in only one fleeting camera shot (when Pacino's cop has just pulled over de Niro's criminal for a traffic stop). Even when they go face to face at a diner they're never in the same shot together (leading to false rumors that the two actors actually hadn't shot the scene together at all).
Mostly, though, it's about the stylized criminal chic that was very big in the 90s via both rap, arthouse film, and in edgy comics. The cooler-than-thou antihero was a big deal.
Michael Mann does a LOT of great films.
That film Black Hat manages to do something Hollywood's going to fail to do for the rest of eternity; actually realistically talk about how hacking and computer crime works and show it's limitations and what it is and isn't good for.
Before there was the Matrix, Memento, or Inception, there was Dark City. A movie that was hugely influential but never got the commercial success it deserved.
It was one of a whole chain of movies, books, and TV shows that pushed cartesian skepticism. IE "is the real world really real? and how do I know?"
This provoked the science wars of the 90's, when college professors in the humanities, especially lit crit, tried to deny that science was even legitimately real. The RPG that got hit hardest by this was Mage: The Ascension, whose first edition had been written specifically to push these ideas. As stupid as the idea sounds, its origins in speculation about virtual reality (then "just around the corner") and transhumanist questioning about identity were pretty interesting. Like any idea, getting stretched out too far and then becoming intensely political did it no good.
But it does make for some great movies.
You know I'm sad to say I haven't seen it? Or even heard about it? I'll have to check it out.
We talked Goth earlier, but what's more goth than Dark City? The Crow. The soundtrack, the setting, the edginess, the dystopia-- this movie both embodied the cliche and became a cliche on its own. How the hell didn't this movie suck? And yet it was fucking amazing. I just rewatched it the other day and it's STILL a great movie. In many ways an ad for the decade that at that point still mostly hadn't happened yet.
And forget that Brandon Lee died while filming this. It was another Heath Ledger-tier performance... someone who didn't need to have died for people to recognize its greatness. It was just legitimately awesome acting.
It has been a pleasure to have such a reasonable discussion on this topic.
Back to the 90s. Remember Jasmine Bleeth?
I never knew the actress's name. I just thought of her as "the hot one". I always thought the other baywatch girls were wildly overrated.
If you want very early 90's network TV, look no further than pic related. Another show that kind of defined the 90's before it even happened.
Let's get off politics. We get enough of that in other threads. The only bait I want to drop is bait to lure people into more 90s nostalgia.
like, for example, pic related.
We can't all age like single malt.
>Before there was the Matrix
Just barely. The release dates are too close to imply inspiration.
And I think you're oversimplifying. The ideas aren't new, Lovecraft for one had a lot to say on the matter. And to portray The Matrix or the eXistenZ you forgot as an expression of the same basic idea that is now used by fundamentalists to undercut reason in politics is far too vague and ignorant of so much in between. Also consider you are talking of the very late 90s. I find it more indicative of what the 2000s should have been if everyone hadn't started panicking wildly.
Awesome movie though. Noir Mystery with that secret truth spin.
Oh fuck I forgot that aphex twin even existed. He was so unbelievably good. Hilarious guy with a larger than life personality. Like if you turned Richard Branson into a supervillain.
I mean took away the money and had him focus full time on supervillainy through cutting edge music.
They were closer than I remembered. But I think you're missing something in the /pol/ part of your post. The right, including fundamentalists, do criticize certain scientific conclusions like global warming, but even when they do so it's in the language and logic of science. Maybe not accurate science, but the respect for science is still there.
So far as I can tell, there are no fundamentalists who criticize "reason in politics", unless you define reason as "stuff I believe to be true" in which case you could say that about any political movement. And since they don't do that at all, they don't use cartesian skepticism as a basis for it.
tl;dr just like most political movements, fundamentalists don't criticize reason in politics. They think their politics are the consequence of reason.
Yeah, no. I mean sure, influential, no question.
But it was poorly made, unoriginal, edgy as a purpose, and would have suffered a well justified retirement in the old hype section of the VHS rental if Lee hadn't died. It was Blues Brothers for Goths, only without stars.
Could have been a great film. But it really really wasn't.
>virtual reality (then "just around the corner")
The first frontier of VR is of course, as was to be expected, the porn industry. They already got that shit developed further than anybody else.
I mean now there are machines that you can attach to your genitals that work in sync with what you see in VR.
That's one or two steps ahead of just seeing a few polygons through goggles in 94.
Still better than nothing.
Not that I have any experience with VR augmented sex toys. Tbh it's cheaper to book hookers, and it's legal here too. Not that I have any experience with hooker though. Just saying.
>tfw you finally found out that Lucy Lawless is a blonde IRL
She's still hot though.
The only good thing about that series was Picard and 'what's his name' No1.
Oh, and Data.
And JAG. Don't forget JAG.
>Men are from Mars sort of worked, because it played into nonsense stereotypes about the genders
So I did some research, and the average Tinder strat for either sex is functionally the same: formulate the opposite sex's strat based on stereotypes, then formulate your own plan to compensate.
Men assume that women are usually going to swipe left, so they swipe right on everyone they can just in case.
Women assume that men are usually going to swipe right, so they get picky.
/tg/ is also far more literate than the rest of the site, probably owing to our hobbies involving reading long books to play games we'd only want to play if we'd read other long books for fun.
And when you're into reading long books, well, you tend to read a lot of history, sciences and literature.
>people name 90s series
>try to avoid mentioning they all resulted in their creatives getting better opportunities and making better shit
JAG -> NCIS
H&X -> Spider-Man
Saved by the Bell -> Melrose Place
I can go all day.
Hong Kong going back to Chinese control
Surfing and roller blades
Faces of Death VHS and the video game rating systems. MORTAL KOMBAT
Mini vans and soccer mom's
The 24 hour news cycle
This is some kind of nostalgia thread?
I remember when the video cassetes had to be rewinded (not like this stupid DVD), when you cant go to your friends house without a call because the cellphone was something no all has, and when the only place to find shcool things was the encarta (not internet)
Sorry lad, my apartment building had a shitty network back then due to a bad set up. When you called there the internet was being shut down or slow as shit.
Hopefully now there's the fibre.
>DJ Shadow's Endtroducing
>mfw I have this album
I used to have the Encyclopedia Brittanica AND the Worldbook Encyclopedia. In my day, we'd look shit up in a real book if we wanted to know it badly enough.
I remember going to bars and arguing over historical or factual things and nobody ever taking the time to go to the library to look up who was right.
I know how to thread a microfilm reader. I know how to view microfiche.
I can run a credit card on the fucking swipe machine with a piece of carbon paper.
I know the smell of a fresh ditto.
I am 80's man. Hear this, and tremblingly obey.