MTG Modern General

Twin ban was deserved, anyone who says otherwise is a cuck and should go back to yugioh

>>44992322
Wizards has successfully eliminated blue decks from modern. Mission accomplished.

>>44992404
You say that fully knowing that Delver is still alive and kicking. Shameful.

>>44992425
Why would banning Twin make Delver a better deck?

>>44992425
>delver
>good in this meta

>>44992322
Hooray, now we're in Tron: The Meta! Thanks, Wizards!

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>tfw you want to drop $10 or so on boosters just to see what you get

is this really such a sin?

reminder to buy your jeskai ascendancies before its too late

>>44992322
Here's your reply
>>44992425
Delver is a really good card in Bolt: The Format.

>>44992451
Just buy a lottery ticket if that's what you want to do.

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Faeries player here. Lost favorable match ups and now preparing for the Tron and Eldrazi shit storm.

>>44992451
buy a box, pull an expedition that pays for the box and then some

you know you want to

>>44992565
As a burn player choosing whether to bolt a delver or just burn the face is one of the hardest decisions I'm consistently presented with.

They run 4 delvers and counterspells, I only have 4 bolts.

>>44992425
Delver is a trap in Modern. The lack of good library manipulation means that you have to play far more creatures to reliably threaten your opponent's life total, which in turn and together with the lack of library manipulation, means that your Delvers are much less likely to flip.

>>44992451
No, its your money, do with it what you will.

I've pulled plenty of 50-100$ cards from random boosters I bought on a whim. I've also lost hundreds of dollars in the same way.

>>44992451
Go for it. Gambling is a big part of this game.

I am also insanely lucky and always open cards that are worth more than the money I spent on the packs.

>>44992619
I usually wait to see if it flips. If they play Visions turn 1 and go top top into Delver then of course you bolt it right there though. I think the mu is still favored, though.

>>44992551
>mfw have 5 held up in my box at home
Now I have them safely stored until the price goes to $20 a pop

>>44992619
I've played U/R delver for a bit after cruise was banned. As burn, I feel like you could just front load all your damage before delver can get into a favorable board position. Always bolt the pyromancer though.

>>44992673
Memeskai is a shit deck and you know it. I'll feed on your tears once I extirpate ur Memeskai Ascendacy from your deck and burn it IRL.

All fa/tg/uys know no pro player will play Memeskai in a ProTour

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>>44992596
i already do that

>>44992602
>>44992628
>>44992663
>tfw tempted

>DnT/Abzan/WBTokens
>>>44992215
That's my main concern, that DnT is too difficult to pilot for me. But on the other hand the mana base for Abzan will be expensive and I should challenge myself to become a more skilled player. And yes, I was worried tokens was too glass cannon/ not diverse enough.

>>44992425
>delver
>good
Delver was only good in Modern when it had Treasure Cruise. At all other points in the deck's history it's sucked donkey nuts in Modern. That's why Twin was such a thing, because even at the times when Twin wasn't very good all other blue decks in the format were fucking atrocious.

>>44992815
do it

>>44992815
You'll lose far more money doing it that way, but it's your money.

>>44992253
I thought about buying into Faeries, but holy fuck Cliques and BBs are outrageous.


Instead I decided to get my 4th Wooded Foothills and Windswept Heaths to up my fetchland collection to 4 sets out of 10 (other two being a set of Arid Mesas and Polluted Deltas). They'll probably repeat Faerie cards again when they get around to MM3, as a draft archetype it seems to be a fixture.

>>44993102
Don't. Buy into Twi- aww.

>>44993102
>They'll probably repeat Faerie cards again when they get around to MM3
but can you really take that chance?

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>>44992815
Don't know what the rates are for pulling an Expedition, but I got one during prerelease.

Otherwise its probably worth buying a fat pack and keeping the land pack sealed for future price hikes.

Should i buy splinter twin now at 5 dollars to re-sell them when wizards realize they have made a mistake baning it?

>>44993193
>tango land
Ain't that a kick in the teeth

>>44993193
>cinder glade
At least you weren't the unlucky son of a bitch who pulled a Terramorphic Expanse.

>>44993193
Yeah, you pulled one of the shitty ones. And now there's going to be Expedition Tec Edges and shit. Seriously, whatever fucking moron thought that a $50 Tectonic Edge was a good idea can suck my wang.

guys... Bx Eldrazi looks fun. Should I build it?

>>44993297
>tfw no scrying sheets expedition

>>44993278
Dunno, its better than the land that prevents damage. Kor something.

>>44992815
ive pulled two foil arid mesas from boosters. spent 20 shekels, ended up with 200ish shekels worth of cards

>>44992551
Nah, bro. Goryo's Vengeance and Through the Breach is the way to go.
It's the second most fun thing you can do playing by yourself.

>>44993297
>>44993278
>>44993275
Cinder Glade is the only shyland that sees actual modern play. It's seeing some play in BTL/ RUG Scapeshift as Stomping Ground #5 and is a playset in Titanshift. Could've done worse, imo.

>>44992425
Delver is garbage without the Twin matchup to boost its winrate though, you baka.

>>44993185
Faeries is such an irrelevant constructed archetype it's a total shoe in for MM3 as a draft archetype.

Right up alongside RW Landfall.

>>44992815
>I already do that
Being a Jew in the 21st century must be so satisfying when so many people suck at mad

>>44993381
It's not really that fun.

>>44992663
>I am also insanely bad at remembering every crappy pack and even better at suffering from confirmation bias
fixed

>>44992404
Why do all of the autists love Blue so much? It's the fedora of magic colors only played by faggots who like to adjust their glasses and chuckle like a Yugioh villain as they counter spells. Red is the best color.

>>44992900
Just play all the decks over xmage or cockatrice or whatever before wasting your money
Once you've played all decks in this format you'll realize it's garbage and the only reason people keep playing is sunk cost

>>44993627
>Blue decks trying to interact with its opponent
>all the other decks just ignore their opponent and do their own thing
>autism

>people at LGS happy with the Twin ban
>ask why
>because it opens up the meta for other good blue red decks
>ask what decks are they talking about
>uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>44993422
But those decks are garbage. Any deck running btl is a joke

>>44993194
>Wizards
>realizing anything

>>44993627
>wanting the game to be Creatures: The Tappening

I'm glad Wizards panders to people like you

>>44993665
Most people I know who were happy about it either didn't play Modern or are just retards who play Tron.

>>44993627
Both colors are great but only when kept apart.

Izzet a shit.

>>44993705
> wanting Permission: sphinx rev edition

>>44993665
J E S K A I A S C E N D A N C Y

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>>44993669
You think you can come in here, and talk shit like that, and get away with it? Think again, fucker.

>>44993627
>red is the best color
Spoken like a true retard

Blue is liked by good players because its main mechanics are card selection (i.e. consistency) and card advantage (i.e. winning)

Counters are just catch-all answers. They're not loved as much as they're just appreciated for almost always being the best option when you have to deal with some problem

But really, having a favourite color beyond mechanics makes you a pathetic manchild.

>>44993776
Shoe me on the doll where he killed your creature

>>44993778
He said good decks, anon.

>>44993778
Why would that memedeck get any better without twin?

>>44993795
Magic has evolved beyond draw go.

Get over it play something else

>>44993873
>masturbation is good
Why don't you just stay home and jack off?

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I'm trying to decide my next deck to build for Modern, /tg/.

How is Troll Worship? I'm looking to build the WG version first so I can keep it budget for now and with my next paycheck, I would upgrade it to Bant with Geists and Swords of X and Y.

>>44993909
its more arousing when others are watching

So, uh... Playing Moonmist will kill a Jace, right?

>>44993873
This

Personally I play Zoo like a true patrician

Every time I turn my Wild Nacatl sideways I get a painful erection and have to satisfy it under the table

Fucking blue mages with there faggy blue counterspells are bullshit!!!!!

>>44993909
So in your world it's either control or all in combo?

>HOT NEW DECKS<
Coco Allies
Bant Knightfall
Black Eldrazi
Coco Slivers
Jeskai Ascendancy
Blue Extra Turns
Jeskai Flash Midrange
Kiki Chord
Blue Annex Midrange
UR Kiki

Feel free to post more hot new meta decks

>>44993776
>implying people do nothing but permission
The only difference between me casting Mana Leak on a Ravager and you Bolting it is that if he has an Etched Champion, you cry but I don't care. Also that my counters will get anything, but your Bolt can only Bolt.

this is looking only at the cards used as answers, not how Bolt can also be a threat, you fucking idiot
if you even thought of bringing up that Bolt can go to the dome you're a moronic sack of shit and you're probably the product of cuckolding

>>44993909
>control
>not masturbation

Control is literally you telling the opponent to wait so you can jizz all over their face at the end.

This also describes Storm.

>>44993956
Not "new", but I have a good feeling about Ad Nauseam in this meta.

>>44993967
Then why not just play bolt if it's so similar? Just for the sake of crying?

>>44993956
Literally all those decks are terrible besides Kiki Chord is good

>>44993946
You can be solitaire without being combo.
E.g. Infect, Affinity, Burn, Tron, Scapeshift, Memedrazi (...)

So tell me, which world are we living in?

>>44993969
so turbofog is just nofap november.dec?

>>44994006
All of those decks can and will interact if you yourself aren't also playing 'solitaire'

>>44993619
Nah, I genuinely pull money cards consistently. Bought a box of Innistrad when the set came out for shits and giggles and to draft with my friends. Ended up with several Lilianas and a playset of Snapcasters.

Similar things have happened every time I've bought sealed products.

>>44993969
Control is trying to prevent your partner from prematurely blowing his load, making sure he doesn't get to leverage the opening's surprise factor before you can assemble the tools needed for your sexual extravaganza, and then giving him the loving of a lifetime when he's run out of gas and you're still there with a full tube of lube

>>44994022
My balls have never been more blue when faced against Turbofog

>>44994000
>bant
>bad
How could the new twin be bad?

>>44993946
No, but Modern is pretty much all linear, noninteractive decks. Burn, Affinity, Tron, and Infect and Eldrazi vary from "I have a few spells to slow you down" to "turn 2 hellbent"
>>44993969
I would rather play Control than any linear deck. At least you're actually playing Magic if you lose.
>>44994006
Non-Titan Scapeshift is pretty interactive, especially for a modern deck.

>>44994045
>Similar things have happened every time I've bought sealed products.
Right, I'm far more liable to believe this over the fact that you just didn't feel the exceptions were worth remembering.

Also, everyone playing in Innistrad already had a playset of Snapcasters for 10 dollars/each. Only cost me $40 for my playset as compared to your what, 100 for a box?
Nice luck you got.


Seriously, recommending people to buy boosters should be punished with beheading because both the man recommending and anyone who believes it is a complete retard

>>44994091
>counterspells equal interactivity

>>44992253
I want Bitterblossoms for tokens but their price is bullshit, they didn't go down at all with the reprint.

Should I build Junk or Scapeshift?

Just opened two kozilek's returns. I am building naya burn and am aspiring to get tarns at one point.

Should I care about them or should I trade them off ASAP?

>>44993665
The fact that people actually believe corporate statements is actually a huge eye-opener to me.

Imagine if it's always been like this in other industries too, and we just thought no one believed it because we weren't in the loop.

If we'd been in the competitive monkey makeup market or something

>>44993996
Are you illiterate or did you just have trouble reading my post through the tears?

>>44993584
oh well. It looks fun to process shit.

>>44992619
Burn can't lose to Delver, this is not Legacy.
And Burn is favored in Legacy even if just 55/45 instead of the 70/30 of Modern.

>>44994043
>playing your sideboard card if you drew it is interaction
Modern players, everyone

>>44994170
You straight up said there is little difference between bolt and leak

>>44994136
Sell them they can only go down

>>44994201
>Making shit up
Children on 4chan everyone

>>44992762
Its a bye against tron though.

>>44994091
Control just shoving answers down your throat isn't any less linear than burn shoving threats down your throat.

>>44994207
>if he has an Etched Champion, you cry but I don't care


i.e. counterspells are a universal solution while other forms of answers are much more narrow

i.e. counters are a way for the control deck to have several ways to answer any given deck's plan in the main 60, as opposed to other decks' far narrower (and more powerful sometimes, of course) sideboard answers

i.e. you don't play the counterspells just to say no and draw a bunch of cards, you do it for the same reason play Stony Silence against affinity: making your own deck marginally worse so that you can hopefully drastically reduce the quality of the opponent's deck and thereby squeeze out a win


i.e. Bolt et al are narrow, counters are general you boob

>>44994235
Please, tell me how """"interactive"""" affinity is.

>>44994127
BGx is dead. Play Scapeshift.

>>44992673
The next cards to explode are Eidolon of the Great Revel and Goblin Guide because Burn is the only deck that can beat Tron, Eldrazi, Affinity and Infect with the same 75.

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>>44994272
>Control has infinite answers to answer everything you do and they can solitaire the best sequence of counters against you without even knowing what cards you're playing

>>44994317
>scapeshit against a field of hyper aggro decks and big mana decks

yea good luck with that one

>>44994335
>he doesn't play Deflecting Palm

It's going to be the most stupid card ever in the 2016 meta.

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[freedom intensifies]

>>44994315
Galvanic blast
Thoughtseize
Spell pierce and others
Ghirapur grid
Dispatch
Whipflare

>>44994390
>plains isnt full art

>>44994390
>he still plays Combust

>>44994423
Full art is kinda lame

>>44994390
>Combust
Did you get that list from 2013 or something?

>>44993956

LOAM POX
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>>44992253
>Rebecca Guay still paints artwork for M:TG 15 years after I first saw her concept art

Even though I stopped playing a decade ago, for some reason this gives me a warm comforting feeling. Maybe it's the familiarity and assurance. Regardless, I'm happy to have noticed this card on the front page.

>>44994451
>>44994479
Maybe he needs it for his meta. I run it for all the rhinos, baneslayers and restos
Hits big goyf too

>>44993193
>Needle Spires

I'm still mad that's what the RW manland ended up being.

>>44994385
Scapeshift is actually pretty solid against aggro. Four bolts mainboard to kill burns guides and a couple spells snares for their eidolons, along with a set of remands to keep them behind and a set of cryptic commands which are usually online by turn 3. You also have a couple Baloths and flashfreezes in your sideboard.

>>44994385
>playing BGx in a meta filled with nothing but Tron

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Why is Triple H a MTG character?

>>44994537
>hits goyf
>goyf is blue or white
/tg/ is bad at magic

>>44994537
>goyf really is blue this time

>>44994653
>cherry picking

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what's your opinion on lili for this new meta, /tg/?

The one saving grace of playing merfolk right now is using spreading seas on eye of ugins and temples. Just get to watch all these bandwagoners get visibly flustered the moment i drop that shit and their hand becomes uncastable.

>>44994705
BGx is dead for now.
8 Rack is just as shitty as ever.

>>44992253
My friend wants to get into magic, specifically modern, but he's being a cheap ass (despite having more expendable income than I do) and would rather play pauper.

How do I make him stop being a cheap ass and explain to him pauper is worse than modern?

And please no splinter twin ass hurt fags saying "pauper is better because twin was banned waaaahhhh"

>>44994705
would cast

>>44994753
This post. I don't fucking.

Your friend can spend his money however the fuck he wants. If he wants to play Pauper he should play Pauper.

>>44994753
Pauper is great, fuck you mate. And I'm not just saying that because I can't afford Modern, I play affinity.

>>44993956
Plz dont make me buy into slivers, it looks too fun but i need to buy affinity.

>>44994705

>tfw you made that shitty proxy and people saved it

Life is good.

>>44994753
Pauper has Boros Bushwhacker though.

I fucking love that archetype.

>>44994753
Paupers fucking great.

However its completely dead in paper, go online if you want to play it.

>>44993578
It's not like they changed the way they teach math on purpose or anything.

>>44994478
all the other lands are full art though

>>44994872
This. Pauper, along with Momir Basic, is an online only format.

>>44994653
>implying goyf isn't blue

It's a good card

ergo

Blue

>>44994521
Bitterblossom is from Lorwyn block though, that's ages ago
MtG art is way more streamlined and bland now

>>44994753
>but he's being a cheap ass (despite having more expendable income than I do) and would rather play pauper.

people don't accumulate income by just squandering it, maybe you should take some pointer from him you cuck

>>44993662
Blue doesn't interact, Black and White interact. Blue sits in it's corner drawing cards and yelling out NO! until the other player gives up.

>>44994705
Lili worst loli

>>44995054
This is why I refuse to use Crumble to Dust over Sowing Salt.

>>44994785
>>44994813
>>44994839
>>44994872
>>44995069
I should say that our entire group plays modern and he wants to do paperback pauper, not online.

It's just kind of like "that's cool you guys do this, but you should totally disregard that shit and do that"

>>44994753
He's go more expendable income than you because he's not as retarded, uneducated and puerile as you.

Modern sucks and only idiots (e.g. you) play it.

As much can be easily be seen from you having to ask at a Polynesian Beekeeping Referendum why a format you've already decided is bad without ever playing is worse than a format to which it's in fact strictly superior.

>>44995140
Only idiots hang out in threads they have no relation to

>>44995128
Let him build Boros Bushwhacker, it's a fun deck.

>>44995128
It's saying "you guys are fucking idiots and I won't buy into your shitty cult, if you want to play with me you know my conditions and if you don't want to, that's fine because I don't care enough about this shitty hobby to make it a central part of my interaction with my friends and I'll just do something else instead, but I won't waste money on shit that I don't even like"

>>44995172
So you say, and this might be true, but I wouldn't know. I've got a strong relationship and rapport built up with Modern general through schadenfreude

>>44995108
No it isn't, you play Sowing Salt to rub it into Tron's face and because you enjoy injecting sodium directly into their frustrated bums.

>>44994451
>>44994479
baneslayer and rhino f@m

>>44995128
Well a paper pauper deck outside of things like mono u gush decks are like $5 to build.

Theres nothing wrong with asking your playgroup if they would be interested in buillding pauper decks as a fuck around thing. We have like 9 or 10 of them all together and will do random deck pauper tournaments every once in a blue moon and its a blast.

But lets be real anon, asking someone just starting to play magic to "build a modern deck its only a few thousand dollars" is a real shitty thing to do. Draft or play sealed or cube with the guy or give him one of the groups budget deck to play with.

>>44993956

Wait a second, are coco allies even playable? Last time I have checked it was a bottom tier 3 deck.

>>44995237
These are both reasons I run it. And also because Kamigawa and Ravnica are my favorite blocks.

>>44995054
What? But it says "Rebecca Guay" at the bottom left! No? The image is kinda blurry...

>>44994091
Burn was the first competitive deck, 20 Lotus, 20 Recall, 20 Bolt was a thing.

Where do I go to get my ching chong fakes?

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So uh, how bad of a deck would this be for a player just getting into modern?

>>44994388
I play DP but it's a rare in the most opened set in history that's only year and a half old. Those aren't conditions for drastic appreciation.

>>44995419
MtGproxyfactory. Keep in mind he only sells fakes in $100 assortments.
Most people here say they get them, and I hear a lot of people talk about they shitty quality. One of my friends tried it and never even got a confirmation email from the chink.

>>44995368
Back when there was no limit on how many cards you could have of the same name in a deck the generally agreed upon minimum number of cards in a deck was 40.

Also, Lotus+Channel+Fireball is more likely the deck you're thinking of.

>>44994521
Bitterblossom is 9 years old.
The last card Rebecca painted is 7 years old.

>>44993422
dont need only btl for it to be in scapeshift. you can replace a stomping ground with it (you dont fetch that many red shocks so it gives you an option since u get a lot of basic land ramp any) or a mountain if ur so inclined (same story basically)

>>44995460
It looks fun honestly. Go for it.

Just don't pretend like it's tier 1 awesome deck and you'll be fine

>>44995460
there was a slivers deck similar to this one that reached top 8 in an scg open several months back before getting its shit slapped by infect. You might want to refer to that list.

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>>44995535
>The last card Rebecca painted is 7 years old.

Well fuck, now I'm sad. First my car dies, then this. I wish I hadn't thought of her today or expressed that idea at all, life is just a downward slope of tired disappointment.

>>44995474
You got a URL? Google is giving me nothing.

>>44992565
>Delver is a really good card in Bolt: The Format.

Then why isn't Delver bad in Legacy the format who runs the most efficient removal (because Vintage doesn't have time to dedicate those slots.

>>44995482
those are completely unrelated decks

the decks that played channel fireball weren't even burn decks, they were just good decks that played a turn 1 kill

>>44995711
creature removal is much less common in legacy, as are creature wincons.

>>44990135
>Caw-blade
Too bad I lost my Dragon Rulers pasta.

>>44995635
IKTF senpai

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>>44995635
>I wish I hadn't thought of her today or expressed that idea at all

It will be OK, Anon. Guay is doing her thing and she's doing fine.

>>44995711
Brainstorm.
Delver is always a 3/2 the game after you play him, he hits at least once for 3, most often twice.

In Modern Delver doesn't flip and the second most popular removal after Bolt is Swords, not Abrupt Decay. Sometimes gifting your Delver opponent 3 life in Legacy is a death sentence.

>>44994047
Underrated post

>>44995460

As control is dead cavern isn't that important anymore.

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>>44995711
Brainstorm, Stifle, Wasteland, Daze, Force of Will

/tg/ help me not build tron. I don't know what to play in modern.

How is competition at FNMs at your local game stores? I'm considering getting into modern and I was wondering how it looks, I've been lurking around these threads for a couple of days and it seems like things that aren't tier 1 or 2 are a waste of time. I don't have enough money to just drop 600$ on a deck so I was thinking of building a budget version of something and getting cards I need over time. Is it possible to do? I saw a couple of budget affinity options that are upgradable but I'm not very interested in that archetype. Something like Delver, Faeries or Death and Taxes seems much more fun to play.

>>44996025
burn m'nigger, go kill those tron nerds.

>>44995999

Holy hell, TRIPS confirm >>44996025 is a spooky skeleton.

>>44996025
Build mono U tron

>>44995975
What would i use to replace it then?

>>44996025
You're destined to build Reassembling Skeleton Pox.

>>44996025
NICE TRY, RATTLE-ME-BONES

BACK TO THE GRAVEYARD WITH YOU

>>44994705
You don't give a shit, you just wanted an excuse to post that didn't you?

>>44995975
Its a 5 color tribal land in a near 5 color deck.

It would be moronic to remove it.

>>44996184
not really man, I'm just not replying because I agree on how BGx is dead etc etc

Is ascendancy combo a good deck to play in this meta? Is it a good deck to play if I want to play a deck similar to eggs with second sunrise?

>>44996254
if you enjoy jerking off onto your playmat for 15 minutes, yes

>>44995460
-Get a split between Manaweft and Gemhide Sliver. Dodges fringe maelstrom pulse cases.
-Run Bonescythe Sliver in the mainboard. Probably getting rid of a Diffusion Sliver.
-Run Chord of Calling if you're going to run Sentinel Sliver. Vigilance is overrated since you're going to get islandwalked by Merfolk and trade poorly with Goyf. Your only real advantage with Vigilance is against a weenie deck like Burn or Hatebears.

>>44996237
>>44995975

You can go jew mode and just use ancient ziggurat instead. Unless you don't mind burning bux, then go for caves.

>>44992404
>ban red card that has purely red effects
>Blue players complain that it hurts blue

Maybe you should start using mill or unblockables or another actual blue wincon, rather than pretending that red/colorless combos are blue just because they can go infinite.

>>44996254

Free win vs Tron. Slightly harder vs Eldrazi because of the disruption, race vs every other aggro deck

>>44996348
>Maybe you should start using mill or unblockables or another actual blue wincon
You're telling people to lose?

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Posting my U/R Delver list again, would go Grixis but then I couldn't play my jank cards.

>>44996348
>mill
So you quite literally can't beat Tron and you're too slow for Burn/Affinity.
>unblockables
Just because he can't block you doesn't mean you're winning the damage race, numbnuts.

>>44996392
No I'm telling people to stop calling their combo brew a blue deck because they put a counterspell in it. It's like calling every deck with bolt in it a red burn deck.

Now that twin is gone, we'll start to see the return of good blue cards. Maybe not the cantrips, because storm, but wizards is getting more comfortable printing "sometimes counterspell" and "sometimes ancestral recall" effects.

>>44996501
Looks good. Now replace 2 of the Probes and the 2 Stormchaser Mages with 4 Snapcasters and you're good to go.

>>44993933
Gets rekt by infect and affinity.

>>44993936
Yep

>>44996044
Unfortunately fun decks are not cheap and Delver, D&T, and Faeries will burn through your $600.

I honestly do not recommend playing the format. Like most decks the only cards that are interchangeable are your mana base and your mana base is going to be the most expensive part of your deck. Prices are outrageous and budget options quickly don't become budget even though they're on the fringe. The only reason I'm playing it is because I got in on the ground level and now my Modern cards have tripled in value. You will get more play-time using your $600 on Limited or Standard. Or use the $600 to buy fakes. $250 should get you four sets of 56 cards that contain most of the manabase and high-end cards in Modern. The remaining money can be used on filling out the deck.

The only recommendation I can give to anyone who wants to experience the format at all is to just build mega-budget burn. Just pick up every burn spell that's 3 damage to the face including Incinerate and Searing Spear and Monastery Swiftspear and go to town. Though not as effective, some decks are still cold to it.

Today, I watched a guy spend over a hundred dollars on three cards. I don't care how much money you actually have, that is a poor fucking choice.

>>44996254
I destroy your ascendancy. What you do now?

>>44997169
Poor fag go away for fuck sakes

>>44997416
I'm not poor. I'm pointing out that the format is not worth paying for unless you plan on buying counterfeit cards.

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>>44995209
That's really sad, lurking in a thread due to spite.

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>tfw you hope for the pro tour to be all linear decks so your whining is justified and you can continue to do so until wotc finally unbans a good and fun card

so is playing a 3CMC card that dies to burn not worth it? I like glissa, the traitor for deathtouch and firststrike on one body but I asssume it'd just get removed too easily.

Is Grixis Control dead in the new meta?

>>44997693
don't think of it as too easily removed, think of it as a bait so your other goyfs/raptors etc can go through.

>>44997693
The real issue is that she's fair.
Not big enough or tricky enough to win with.
But then half the decks in the format or more aren't going to try to win with combat damage in a way she can deal with. Legendary, so you can't get 2 out if you draw them. Basically, it's a good card, it's not good enough that you couldn't find something better.

>>44992322
Shut up Karn

>>44997535
and yet I'm still here, pointing and laughing

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>LGS has 4 RG Tron players and 3 Twin players
>Tron players celebrating hard
>Twin players converted to Scapeshift, Ad Nauseam and Jeskai Ascendancy
>Tron players get rump roasted last FNM since all they did was watch the ex-Twinfags go off

Feels good to watch tbqh senpai

>>44997693
The removal checks of the format are Path to Exile and Lightning Bolt.

This does not mean that cards that die to those spells are unplayable. But the decks that that get fried by those spells usually have some means to apply continuous pressure or the creatures are blank to Path but not Bolt. And the creatures that do eat a Path the deck can leverage the extra mana.

See:
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=97570
See how this deck is very vulnerable to 1-for-1 removal. But it shreds the opponent's hand and often kills the opponent with one or two creatures.

>>44997898
Whatever clogs your arteries, bud.

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>>44997937
>Twin players converted to Scapeshift, Ad Nauseam and Jeskai Ascendancy

Cards wizards should unban:
>JTMS
>SFM
>BBE
>Preordain
>Green sun's zenit

>>44998255
D R E A D R E T U R N
R
E
A
D

R
E
T
U
R
N

>>44997643
Fun for only one player, you mean.

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>>44998255
>>44998362
and me too!

>>44997643
>wotc unbanning a relevant card ever

How do tokens decks generally respond to board wipes? It seems like if you're pretty set back if your bitterblossoms have taken a third of your life and then everything gets supreme verdicted.

>>44998427
Best card desu

>>44998255
>Jace
Yes, and watch the price spike to Tarmogoyf levels.
>SFM
She's a midrange tool now, I don't know why she's still banned
>BBE
Considering BGx is dead in this meta I'm fine with the value train
>Preordain
Makes blue stronger in a Tron meta. I'm good with it.
>Green Sun
I don't know how to feel about this.

>>44998497
lingering souls is a good card
also by not overextending

>>44998497
Giving key creatures pro color/indestructible/regeneration and recuperating the turn after

>>44998255
Everyone is fine but Green Sun's Zenith, those green creature decks really need no more help after Collected Company.

>>44998497
Oh how about a spell that increases their toughn-
>destroy all
oh okay well then just coun-
>can't be countered
Welp.
Boros Charm?

Mardu tokens ww@

>>44996044
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=11140&d=263396&f=MO
just play infect until you learn what you love. its simple and good.

>>44997762
yes

>>44997937
sounds like some should be playing infect there.

>>44998802

There's already 3 Infect players. Those twinfags want to be speshul snowflakes too, thus the deck choices

>>44997372
A. Combo off on a turn where you tap out. B. Play a second one.

>>44998532
>Jace
The price is no problem if you talk to chinamen

Also maybe they should unban Shardless Agent and see UG get something good

>>44998849
i was about to tell you to play it anon because that meta is great for it.

>>44998885
I think Agent is commander so it's not even unbannable although I could be wrong.
>>44998849
>he doesn't want to be speshul

Okay mr. midrange. Or should I call you aggro? If that IS your real name...
I'll be here with my sickass totally rad solitaire combo. Meet you at turn 4, kid.
*unsheaths deck*

>>44997643
>Wanting the format to be even more stupidly expensive than it already is

>>44995301
I mean it probably still is but that doesn't stop it from making top 8.
BFZ and OGW helped out, lantern scout as maybe a 2 of and a playset of Ally Encampment, I forget what else is relevant.
Probably not merfolk-tier but it can win games for sure.
I've been pulling in wins with Turns though so IMO you can beat t1 decks with t2 decks; however, not all of em, hence why it's t2

does anyone here know how good mono red control is?

>>44999126
I do. It isn't.

>>44999126
Skred Red with Koth the Hammer and Scry Sheets. +Budget

>>44996044
i've gone 2-1-0 at the last two modern days at my local shop, playing a janky deck that is far from tier1 or 2. I spent around 140 but it could probably be built for under $200 right now.

The meta is generally affinity, 8rack, Utron, RGtron, infect, merfolk, sometimes UWx control, delver, etc. You should try to scope out modern events at ur shop and see what decks pop up, to figure out what might be viable for you to bring.
I would also advise you to try out different decks on cockatrice or proxy or whatever before buying anything.
Also, you can do red burn pretty cheap as >>44997169 suggested.

>>44999120

Quite interesting, as the monogreen stompy guys from mtg salvation are crying after twin (as supposedly the twin ban nerfed their deck matchup wise). I thought other tier 3 competitive decks shared the similar fate.

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>>44992815
>tfw i made that reaction image
>tfw there's another shirayuki fan that plays modern

>>44992599
I play faeries too. I don't usually have much of an issue with tron. Sucks we lost the twin matchup though

>>44998416
Most good cards aren't going to be fun for both players

>>44999126

Skred? In an aggro heavy meta sure.

>>44999423
Understandable, Stompy has a good Twin matchup and they lost that one. Tron fucks them over with Ugin

>>44995367
It does, it's Guay alright.

It's just that she drew it in Lorwyn block where Bitterblossom originally came out. They just reused it recently when it was reprinted.

I think she does occasionally make art now too, but there ain't a lot of it. I think the last was in Tenth edition

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>>44992602
>>44992815

>Buy a booster box
>No Chandra (Even if she sucks, I like her card), No Tazri, No Expedition, mostly jank outside of a Kozilek
>Cousin buys one booster from a store
>Rugged Prairie

>>44999452

Or people can just be mature enough to roll with the punches, appreciate a victory even if you were in the losing end

>>44995474
Why buy them if they're shitty quality?
I've seen several other vendors who reportedly have great customer service and quality, so what's the upside on this factory guy?

>>44996338
>not using both
maximum pleb

>>44999165
>>44999181
>>44999453
is Skred fun to play and ok in formate wit a lot of white? Abzan big zoo burn an affinty show up a lot at my LGS?

>>44998255
And second sunrise.

>>44995635
Look at it this way Anon, she jumped ship because she knew she was too good for the newer, shittier art direction

>>44999535

>12 creature-restricted lands

Do you even want to cast you coco?

>>44995711
1-for-1 removal is pretty meh unless you're backing it up with something to win the game, and for most decks that backup plan requires too streamlined a list to pack mainboard 1-for-1 removal

>>44996025
>spooking the format
shoo shoo mr memetal

>>44997416
Mememodern retardkid kill yourself for everyone's sake

>>44996655
are you so retarded you actually care enough about the color of cards to consider it an important part of the deck beyond just mana constrictions?
because if so you should probably be playing yugioh instead

alternatively, playing russian roulette with a glock

>>44999044
>implying it would be expensive if Wizards would just stop being greedy kikes and reprint the fucking staples at a reasonable level

Nah, 10 dollar commons of the worst cantrips ever made with no Modern Masters reprint is probably better

Which is better: Distortion Strike or Slip Through Space?

>>44999811
Neither but distortion strike

>>44999811
well do you want one creature unblockable for two turns, or unblockable for one and a card to replace that one in your hand? one yields the same effect while the other might yield better or a land

>>44999868
I'll second you're neither, but counterpoint by saying Slip is better

>>44999494
I bought a fat pack on a whim while picking up singles and got a Chandra and a Tectonic Edge Expedition.

>>44999569
Caverns can make colorless
Ziggurat is just strictly inferior

>>45000152
Correction: RG Tron needs to die.

>>45000156
Ziggs could be usefull in non-tribal multiple colored creature decks, like kiki-chord (***could be useful)

>>45000379
Duh
We were talking about the Slivers deck specifically

Got a Foil Needle Spire for 6.75
Did I do good /teegee/? Will it raise in price in the future? Is it good?

Surely there's a niche for it

>>45000482
No, enjoy your wasted shekels.

>top 16 of latest SCG modern
>13 aggro decks

my fucking sides are being obliterated

this format is the best joke ever told

the best thing is how every single person knew that fast aggro was going to be the only thing anyone would even bother playing now that it can't lose to Tron or Eldrazi and there's nothing else to worry about

Judged at the Open today. Saw some Modern. Can confirm that Top 4 was Jund, Merfolk, Merfolk, Temur Delver. Top 8 included Affinity and 3 others I didn't see. Tron did poorly from what I heard. Eldrazi was okay.

>inquisition of kozilek is ~$25
Is it going to get higher? Have a playset I don't need.

>>45000551
The supply is the same and the demand keeps growing, so the price will probably keep climbing.

>>45000506

http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckdatabase/deckshow.php?event_ID=36&t[T2]=28&start_date=2016-01-24&end_date=2016-01-24&state=GA&city=Atlanta&order_1=finish&limit=8&t_num=1&action=Show+Decks

Loving Every Laugh

Aether Vials are going no where but up, and we have only ourselves to blame.

>twin gone
>modern becomes unga bunga face decks the format the gathering the tappening

Top kek

>>45000506
b-but WotC t-told me with twin gone it would help the format diversity :(

>>45000709
It did. You don't see all the diverse aggro deck you get to play?

http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=MO&meta=54

>affinity is 15% of the meta
To promote format diversity, arcbound ravager, cranial plating, everything you love, and all your hope and dreams have been banned fromthe modern format.

>there will come a time where wotc has banned so many things that my Shit snowflake brew can win in the format.
Kek.

>>45000876
>Some people actually believe that time is now

>>45000900
>talking to shitters from LGS
>"with twin gone I can finally play my tier 8 budget snowflake deck competitively ha ha!"

Is this who Wizards panders to?

>>45000900
Not yet. But some day changlings path will be tier one

>>45000876
>the year is 2053, Magic: the Gathering is dead
>in 2041, all cards were made illegal in all formats and almost all professional players were massacred in what is now known as "The Great MTG Purge."
>I lived, but lost my reason for living
>Magic was gone

>>45000506
>top 16 is almost all aggro
We're in there, boys. We're balls deep in there.

>>45000769
In a couple years, modern will be a format where vanilla 2 mana 2/2s are going to be oppressive. With them banned, 2 mana 1/2's might bee able to see play.

>>45000769
"Hopefully with these changes people will move away from unfair toxic uninteractive poopy colorless artifact strategies and move towards fair and good for the health of the format colorless Eldrazi™ strategies instead! We think this might maybe make modern better I guess whatever mumble pro tour mumble. Don't forget to buy a booster box of Oath of the Gatewatch™ so you can compete in modern too!"

How much do I have to fear an upcoming affinity ban? Should I sell out now? What's a t1 deck that won't get banned?

>>45000769
So lets see how this diversity promoting ban has gone so far:

Decks Lost:
-Twin
-Jund/Junk
-Amulet

Decks Gained:
-Eldrazi

Meta Breakdown:
Aggro: 46->51% (and gaining a lot)
Control: 21% (and falling)
Combo: 28%(and quickly falling)

Last SCG top 16 has 13 aggro decks.

The collapse of modern is amazing, the DCI will never do it, but they really should reverse their ban decision.

>>45001103
Eldrazi was also fairly popular already and pretty much improved because of OotG and not because of twin being goen

So in a perfect world, what will modern look like in 5-10 years? What do you guys actually WANT?

>>45001102
Trade your stuff away after the pro tour

>>45001102
Tron and Affinity might get smacked down, so invest in Burn.

Was testing an Affinity build with Ancient Stirrings and a forest MD and Natural State in the side instead of Ancient Grudge so I can pawpew Stony Silence (worked in 2 different matches, needs more testing though. Ancient Stirrings grabbed gas almost every time I cast it, seems good). Had a guy playing Eldrazi get all salty about the matchup. Poor little lamb.

>>45001102

Invest in Merfolks, Burn and Elves. WoTC loves tribal aggro decks. It's a bonus those decks are actually good, Burn especially

>>45001161
Unban Twin
Unban Mind Sculptor
Unban SFM
Unban Sword of the Meek
Unban Pod
Unban Bloodbraid Elf

Then leave the format alone

>>45001161

I'd love to be able to play draw-go control, but I know it's a pipe dream.

>>45001215
SUMMER BLOOM DID NOTHING WRONG

>>45001190
I like the cut of yer jib m8. Keep us posted. I want to see results.

>>45001161
How to fix modern

Unbans:
SFM
JTMS
Preordain
Ancestral vision
Bloodbraid
Jiite

Reprint:
Innocent blood
Counterspell
Wasteland
Mom

Ban:
Ancient stirrings

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>>45001253
Honestly if it was up to me I'd keep Summer Bloom too but too many people would bitch about it

>>45001268

Going to sleeve it up for two modern events at my LGS's, see how it goes.

I just realized something. The reason why I hate such high prices in Modern.

It's because I do everything in cash. I don't waste my time dogfucking around keeping phonebook-thick trade binders; I just buy what I need.

Now, you can trade 4 Inquisition of Kozileks for a single Grove of the Burnwillows. A couple years ago you could make that same trade. Except the difference now is that instead of trading four $1.50 cards for a $6.00 card you're trading four $25 cards for a $100 card. The relative values haven't changed, inflation has just gone through the goddamn roof to fit in line with $100 Lilianas and $200 Tarmogoyfs.

>>45001278
But really the most important thing in my opinion is the wasteland reprint. Would really help shit on tron/eldrazi lands.

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Modern staple or vintage staple?

>>45001323
meme staple

I think it's too early to say that aggro is dominating, especially off the weight of a single tournament. After a shakeup most everyone just resorts to aggro because that's what's reliable and nobody has put in the effort to research new deck tech and test the metagame.

Given that most pros don't even bother practicing for Modern like renting a house and grinding the format for a week anymore I think we should just wait a month or two for MTGO results.

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When will glorious boros reign supreme over the multiverse

>>45001400
Maybe When they ban every other color.

>>45001400
only gays and trannies like boros

>>45001421
So next year?

>>44994451
>>45001435
Do you smoke cock

>>45001479
i dont like boros so no

>>45001569
Quality post

>>45001400
naya burn and zoo are already pretty gud m8. Sure Green is a bigger part of either of them than white is, but boros gets along with gruul just fine.

>>45001586
thank you

So what do you want Shadows of Innistrad to bring in the format? Do you think Flashback will make a comeback?

>>45001771

Cycling
Transfigure

>>45001771
Shadows Over Innistrad will be a shitty cash in on a popular set with all of the new mechanics being shitty +1/+1 counter allocation and oversimplified garbage that brings nothing back. One mechanic from the previous block will be brought back (a la Landfall), most likely Flashback. Wizards is probably also going to cash in on Lovecraftian pop culture references due to the name of the set being a reference to one of his works, and Emrakul possibly being a player in the story. All in all: 0/10 worst set ever made, Magic will die.

>>45001832
>transfigure

oh god yes pls

>>45001278
How to really fix modern

Unbans:
Summer Bloom
Preordain
Twin
Splinter Twin
Seething Song
Second Sunrise

Ban:
Thalia
Vryn Wingmare
Wild Nacatl
Glistener Elf
Inkmoth Nexus
Arch Bound Ravager
Eidolon of the Great Revel
Atarka's Command
Cursecatcher
Inquisition of Kozilek

This would make modern a much more enjoyable format.

>>45001771
the returning mechanic is going to be morbid because capitalizing on creature deaths is morbid and lets players get value out of when their creatures are removed because it negates the feel bads of when your fucking rhino dies

why do people expect anything nice out of this company anymore? they just disappoint us every single fucking time and we line up for more with optimism of things to come.

>>45001908
"No"

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>>45001771
Swords to plowshare and mother of runes.

>>45001908
Thank god people like this aren't in charge of the ban list.

>>45001908
stormfag pls go

If I want to build Mardu what's the best direction for it? Midrange or control? I'd kill for Mardu Prison but I don't think that's a viable deck at all.

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>>45001908
>thalia

>>45001021
The other 3 are Jund, Eldrazi and Goryo's

It's the funniest

>>45001045
Will that be the day that flying 1/2s for 2 will be top value?
Would the most oppressive deck at Pro Tour Zimbabwe be Storm Crow.dec?

Was that the plan all along?
Did Wizards create the format just to summon Satan?

>>44992437
>>44992442
>>44992565
>>44992627
>>44993003
>>44993548
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=98005

>Two Temur Delver lists in the top 16

Get fucked kids Delver is fucking amazing in this format.

>>45000959
Shitters are legion. Pandering to them is good for revenue.

>>45002205
That Delver list is basically
"I hope Eldrazi is too slow and shitty of a deck to beat infect and affinity because I can't win against it"

And he was right

>>45001161
How to fix Modern:

Play Legacy

>>45002240
Any deck with a clock and Spreading Seas shit on Tron/Eldrazi

>>45002269
legacy is even worse than modern

>>45002269
That's not how you spell Pauper.

>>45001377
Dude it's pretty obvious that so far aggro is dominating
Whether this will remain true or not is yet to be seen but right now aggro is the undisputed king, the others cannot compete
The aggro lists haven't changed, neither have the others, but the ball's in "not-aggro"'s court because they're the underdogs now

>>45002269
Thats not chinaman

>>45001881
Altar of the Lost and Burning Vengeance flashback combo incoming, boys!

>>45002323
Aggro is always the safest go to deck after a banning, this can be seen throughout every ban update

Just like right after the Pod/Cruise banning Burn got extremely popular THEN midrange variants came back into the picture.

>>45002269
I only get to do legacy once a month. xmage is great though, I actually get to play shardless and delver on there.

>>45002300
>I'm an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about :)

Weren't you the retard in the last thread who played Miracles on xmage and managed to lose against the worst deck in the entire format?

>>45002370
>>I'm an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about
you sure are

>>45002353
except people were still playing the other decks that also existed before the ban and they all got trashed
it's not like people switched from Tron or Eldrazi or whatever other dumb non-aggro memedeck they were playing to aggro, it's that aggro is well-positioned in the meta pre-transition to new deck tech

I'm not sure what's so hard for you to understand about aggro being good in the current status quo, before people start adjusting for it

>>45002205
Literally UR delver with goyfs and two delve-monkeys
IS THIS WHAT DELVER HAS BECOME??

>>44999126
Skred is awesome and actually pretty strong in the right meta. Combo is rough

>>45002388
>doesn't know how greentext works
>>>/reddit/

>>45002412
who are you quoting

>>45002400

This. As an Elves player, I abhore that matchup. It's a good thing Skred is for people who want to be a special snowflake, because really, when your deck has 4 different boardwipes, you can safely assume any creature based strategy can go right out the window

>>45002394
Its pretty much RUG delver with modern downgrades.

Nothing new

>>45002508
I mean as a UR delver I'm stoked as hell that it top 8'd but I wish the guy had piloted the version with less goyfs and more pyromancers, although he played the better version, it salts me that UR scrapes by and goyfs can give it the boostershot it needs.
At least blue gets Frostwalker, the best P/T ratio of any 2cmc creature :^)

>>45001771

I want them to man up and reprint Counterspell.

>>45002728
I don't want this tbqh
there is already a variety of counterspells, and nobody will take the 1U variants for mana's sake. Counterspell will no doubt buff blue but it won't seem like an organic buff, it would ruin the fun of choosing between a handful of viable counterspells.
Make a strictly better cancel, or another cool downside counterspell (logic knot did good on this)
That surge counterspell looks cool, but cantrips are sorc speed so it sucks, it could maybe be good if you run all instants... idk they're trying, give it time friend.
I like revealing cards as a downside, lifeloss is pretty standard, next turn downsides are cool imo (next turn dont untap the lands used to cast or something)
Grow some cahones wotc!!