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Dark eldars are sub-standard eldars edition

>Rules databases
https://mega.co.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html

>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata

>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V6.pdf

>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
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I'm in the middle of painting 80 gaunts and am considering switching armies.
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>dark eldar are sub standard eldars edition
and yet people them for a reason
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My prayers go out to you my most Orky of Space Marine brethren

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/01/space-wolves-the-13th-company-returns.html

May the /tg/ "furfag" memers have mercy on you all....
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>>44955073
Some of us got deeply invested into DE before we learned that everytime DE get a cool new trick CWE get it right after and better.
DE are the equivalent of DA in 6th, and BA in 7th we are the test codex for the real codex.
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>>44955087
What's the story with these guys? Are they just a missing legion lost in the warp or something/
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>>44955164
I cant recall the fluff completely, but thats the jist of it, they're basically all Lupen
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>>44955164
Basically yeah. They pop out every now and then to help out their best buddies but as far as the space wolves are concerned they're dead and not to be spoken about. On their runic wheel of great companies the 13th rune was replaced with a black onyx one.
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>>44955164
They've got an index astartes article. And some fluff in the Eye of Terror book.

cliff notes:
>russ sent a great company to go and kill the traitors
>they show up during the 13th black crusade because they're chasing abaddon out of the eye
>werewolves and scavenged traitor gear
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>>44955164
Some space wolves can continue their changes even after they become full astartes due the canis helix, they basically become space marines lycanthropes, with all the benefits, most of them went to the eye of terror with Leman Russ when he went missing, also don't let their appearance device you, they are still capable of reasoning, wielding weapons, armor and speak, you'll need some special circumstances to go into a full werewolf killing spree.
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Reminder that GW actually put this out as a bundle.
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Well I'm getting ready to play in an ITC Tournament this Sunday. 1,850points!
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>>44955069
But then your gaunt babies will be homeless!!
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>>44955329
Good luck, have fun. Mind to share your list?
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>>44955164
The 13th company in particular were MIA after they followed the fleeing thousand sons through a portal.

Sometimes the remnant of the company will help Imperial armies in the eye of terror.
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>>44955334
Mommy Tervigon and daddy Swarmlord can take care of them.
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>>44955298
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>my plastic cement will not arrive until next thrusday
>somehow 2 day shipping turned into 2 week shipping
how do I resist the temptation to just use superglue instead?
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>>44955485
I've done it, as long as you dont glop it it'll be fine
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>>44955485
>Ordering plastic glue online

Do you live in fucking siberia or something?

Theres like 8 places in my town alone where I can get plastic glue
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>>44955512
I live near two hardware stores and neither carry it.

The nearest FLGS is an hour and a half away. I figured since I have free 2 day shipping I'd just order some along with a fresh supply of plastic.

According to fedex the plastic is in a town 90 miles away and will take nearly a week to arrive (are they delivering on foot?). They say it will take a long time due to bad weather on the opposite coast of the country.

>>44955504
Yeah I think so. It's a real blocker on all the other stuff I want to do.
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>>44955588
As silly as it also sounds, if at some point you want to swap a weapon its very easy to snap arms off lol
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>>44955622
I have magnets and a dremel to do that properly
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>>44955298
The worst part is GW 'bundles' are literally the same price for the same models, I guess with the huge convenience of one click instead of three.
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>>44955668
The best part is that 2 of the 3 are arguably the worst units in their slots.
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>Leman Russ is the worst primarch
>Ultramarines are the best chapter
>Tau are glorious good guys
>Eldar are more Japanese that Tau
>Matt Ward was a good writer
>Newcrons are better than Oldcrons
>Abbaddon is a success
>Imperial Guard is useless
>Be'Lakor is stronger than the Chaos Gods
>Lorgar is the best traitor primarch
>Black Templars worship the Emperor as a God
>Dark Angels are closeted traitors
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>>44955687

No the best part is that the Gorkanaut is not an assault vehicle, meaning that if you were actually conned into buying this bundle and running it the way it is suggested to, you'd jump out with your Warboss and Nob squad then stand there looking silly for a turn getting shot at.
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>>44955753
That still triggers me
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>>44955753
Its a totally unnecessary unit. It tried to fill the gap between a deff dread and a stompa, but the Mega dred already existed. Its a transport that isnt assault, which is useless to orks. If it were

>Superheavy
>stayed the same price
>Couldnt stomp
>got Assault
>Upped the cap to 10

THEN it might be worth a damn. Better give it some kind of bs3 upgrade though, and up the deffstorm to assault 20 TL with rending
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>>44955813
I agree with all of that whole heartedly
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How is a drop pod assault army in the current edition?
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>>44955891
Great. Top tier if you take two pods, fill them with devastators then also bring a couple of units of assault marines as well.
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>Start Collecting! Daemons of Nurgle/Khorne
Whew, when did these happen? Have the formation bonuses been leaked yet?
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>>44956011
I think they're for AoS, right?
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>>44956011
They're for AoS.
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>>44956016
Surely even Geedubs wouldnt actively avoid sales by not making it available for both their best-selling game and the heavily-marketed abortion?
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>>44956016
>>44956017
...but demons use the same models in both games. What's the issue?
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>>44956052
The formations he was asking about.
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>>44956052
But they want you to play AoS.
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>>44955813

See this weapon? It's from a FW super-heavy ork tank, the Kill Blasta. Looks kind of similar to the Deffstorm doesn't it. And we could have gotten that. But no. Apparently that would be too much.

What really, really annoys me about the Deffstorm is that it has 18 barrels. Which means almost every time it shoots, some of those barrels do nothing. It just doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. Now, with the Gigashoota's statline, NOW it makes sense. But we can't have nice things.

I'm actually reading through the Ork White Dwarves that accompanied the Ork codex release, and I'm just being consumed by rage. The things the WD crew are saying...
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>>44956064
But even if they gave me free AoS models I wouldn't play AoS.
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Man I would love if my scarabs had infiltrate. Right now their primary purpose is to act as a ordinance magnet instead of the largest blob of warriors.
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>>44956064
I really wanted to like AoS, but I could not

>What I liked
Stream-lined rules

Free rules

Battleshock over 40k Morale

The quality of the new model ranges

really bold attempt at pointsless system

their fearless approach to rebooting their whole product line

>What I did not like
the design of many the new models

some ambiguity in rules

not enough variation between units or armies - in part due to how their stat line works it really only well represents roughly similar units.

their really bold attempt didn't quite work, not to mention the community WAS NOT ready for such a bold change. They needed more focus on their sudden death rules and asymmetrical objectives.

>What I was sort of neutral about
The clusterfuck that happens in every AoS game. On paper I think it is interesting actually. The clusterfuck is going to happen and you spend the early game trying to ensure it is on favorable terms and the late game picking up the pieces and going for objectives. In practice it happens pretty soon and you just roll dice until someone wins.
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>>44956128

I know that, you know that, the poor FLGS managers sitting on unsellable AoS starter sets know that, the middle GW managers weeping over having to devote shelf space to this dreck know that, but GW's high echelons don't know it.
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>>44956143
if the sigmarines and bloodreavers weren't such an awkward scale I would have bought a box for conversions
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What are some good tactics to use against herlequins? I play Guard and Tau fyi
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>>44956122
It's not the first nor will it be the last time rotary guns don't get enough shots. Shit even assault cannons, one of the most iconic space marine ranged weapons, only has 4 shots compared to its six barrels.
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>>44956169
Shoot them. Don't get assaulted.
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>>44956143
Are there some diehard fans out there still playing last edition Warhammer Fantasy Battle?
I really hope so.
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>>44956202
Most still are
My club wasn't changed at all by AoS
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>>44956202
got asked to stop playing it at a GW, so we literally just went over the road and finished the game as it was.
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>>44956247
Wow, what fags
This attitude needs to lose them customers
This shitty new game needs to lose them money
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>>44956271
Saddest part is that it's not a shop manager decision but one from higher up. The guy just didn't want to get fired and must've felt awkward as shit.
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Where the hell is my nid update?! We are in q1!
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Are 20 regular dudes, a chimera transport and a enforcer a good start for a renegades and heretics army?
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Where do Heavy Burst Cannon Riptides fall on the bullshit list? Would taking two of them make me an asshole in a 2000 point game? No ghostkeel or Stormsurges.

I just want to take more crisis suits but all of the crisis suit formations force a riptide.
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>>44956332
As long as you do not act like a biggot and field only OP units then I just go for it
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>>44956362
Not sure where OP stands anymore for Tau. I like the Dawn Blade Contingent since it's somewhat tactical and lets me play non-gunline Tau.

Right now I have the Retaliation Cadre with a Heavy Burst cannon riptide, a Fusion blade commander standing in for Farsight, a fusion blaster squad of 3, a plasma squad of 3 and a cyclic ion blaster team. With 1 missile broadside. For my Auxiliary I have a Ranged Support cadre with homing beacon drone pathfinder squads and 3 missile riptides.
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>>44956384
missile broadsides, not riptides*
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>>44955687
In that one it's 3 of 3, as 'eavy armour warbosses are, well better than no armour war-bosses, but that's it.
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>>44956308
Any day now, brother. Just keep making your nightly offerings and we'll have to get recognized eventually.

Seriously, though, isn't Q1 January-March? If that's true, we could have 2 more months to wait. And that's assuming the rumors are true :(

The update has to come at some point?
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So I was hanging out at the shop today socially painting and was asked to set up the terrain as an impartial third party. (Short 16 y.o Necron player and mid twenties ultramarines) They already had a ton of pieces set out they wanted to use so I just shuffled it up and put three or four pieces per tile. (Is this common because for some unknown reason it seems like tradition at this place). Anyway the paint station is in the retail half of the store and the other half, pretty well cut off, are the tables.
Anyway they start deploying and apparently Necrons had a great turn one and the Ultramarines player misapplied a drop pod off the table. So the SM player starts spreging out. He started getting super salty and going so far as to start questioning the lay out of the board. I entertained him once and walked over and he asked what I was thinking putting two buildings on one side close but the other side had them as a corner (L). I just asked if they rolled for deployment and if he lost his seize the initiative and timid Necron guy says yes so i just try and tell him to chill and hurry back to my pallet.
Necron turn two apparently took out the whole cent star and the guy is seething now and cussing each good roll the kid makes. I am pretty new around there but I go up to the clerk and ask if that's normal and he says:
>Thats X, he is the only person like that who comes around like that. He won't hurt anyone.
I was casual about it but in my head was kind of wtf. It is a business and he is twice that kids size.
Anyway after an abysmal turn two for I'M he very vocally concedes and hurry out the store.(these two turns took about an hour and a half after I set up terrain.)
I got over to the table and the Necron army was still on the table so we chatted and played a smaller point game with my Dark Angels.

I was just thinking what /tg/ thought about these kind of situations?

I regret not taking a more aggressive stance though the kid could have stopped playing.
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>>44956384
You could just not use formations
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>>44956410
I'm super non-confrontational, so in situations like that, I just make sure to congratulate the winning/new players. Like, "Wow, you did really well," or, "How'd you do all that damage so quick?" etc.. Doesn't have to be sincere, but just make the winner feel good about winning and not like a lucky asshole like the sore loser wants them to.
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>>44956410
>Anyway you need better transitions

If that's true I think you handled it maturely, however maturity isn't always as satisfying as making blueberry jam out of his Space Marine.
Fuck the shit out of that faggot though
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>>44956400

I haven't heard anything solid that would point to a Nid release in well, anything. Lady Atia and Sad Panda have both indicated that the next release is Space Wolves, with the Wulfen returning, and this has been almost certainly confirmed by the teaser from next week's White Dwarf: "After 10,000 years the lost brothers return".

After that is anyone's guess. Sad Panda has said that Chaos will get something Tzeentch related this year, but no codex.

The only snippet for Nids has been the possible release of a Genestealer Cult board game, but news about that has died off recently.

I mean sorry, as an Ork I know your pain. We have an older and less functional codex than the SpaceYiffs and yet they're getting one before us.
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>>44955668
Did you miss the New Year bundles which were literally 20%-40% off?
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>>44956410
Sore losers will be sore, it's part of the pay 2 play system, where some people feel entitled to win, especially against less experienced players.
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>>44956443

To be fair, those bundles were also mixed in with bundles that saved the buying absolutely nothing, like the Ork and Blood Angel bundles.
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>>44956410
Almost feel for the SM kid, sucks watching your models explode. Sometimes i have problems keeping my salt in its shaker too.

However acting like that in public is pretty fucking stupid. Id have been up the kids ass if I was the owner, and no one should have to be near or play against someone like that
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>>44956432
>Sad Panda
First thought when someone mentions him is always Sad Panda threads on /a/.
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>>44956458
The SM player was in his twenties
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>Is this common because for some unknown reason it seems like tradition at this place

We use a third party for lots of stuff at our shop. Good way for a spectator or someone around the shop to get involved
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>come into 40k thread
>boy, can't wait to talk about 40k
>AoS moaning

Jesus fucking Christ. It's never going to stop, is it? Despite getting 4 new armies for 40k last year, people keep talking about something completely irrelevant. WHFB was dead and costing them shitloads (thanks Kirby) and they should have just shot it in the head and concentrated on 40k and the specialist games.
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>>44956319
anyone?
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>>44955688
>9ppm
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>>44956456
Well, the only ones that didn't save you shit were the ones bundled with the codex.
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>>44956483
I'm starting to think people replying to that pasta are doing it for (You)'s. Much like the pasta poster.
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>>44956467
Not him but originally I glanced over that wall of text but damn what a cunt.
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>>44956443
>>44956456
Get Started! are great, I'm glad they took down the worthless Get Started shit-packs with a codex, shitty HQ and shitty "Elite"

>>44956476
7 posts out of a entire thread, we have more troll spam than that.

Oh wait, with you there's 8 moan-posts.

>>44956494
Recursive filtering, removes spam and anyone dumb enough to fall for it.
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>>44956467
Ok that's fucking embarrassing, my salt comes in the form of silence and little "pffhhhs" and I'm 23. Kid must have some serious issues if he can act like that to someone that much younger than him.
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>>44956494
I did that a few threads ago and got three whole (yous)! Forty seven more and I can spam my own copy-pasta!
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For a void shield generator for chaos daemons,

What would be most apropriate from a stylistic point of view,

A alpha psyker as a sort of source for the warp storm, Or a Chaos shrine?
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>>44956494
I'd bet it's the same guy replying to his own post, especially the "x,y, and z are true"
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>>44956521
A shrine with a relic on it I'd say
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>Be Tau player
>playing a casual 1200 game against SM
>A few turns in playing relic
>My hammerhead get hit with three missiles in side
>3 pens
>Out in the open, only have 6+ cover save
>roll 3 sixes
>mfw
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>>44956521
I like the shrine idea
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>>44956521
make it out of flesh!
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>Trygon Despot
>345 PPM
>Lord of War
>Gargantuan Creature
>ws/bs/s/t/w/i/a/ld/sv
> 6/4/8/7/5/6/5/10/2+
>Overcharged Bioelectric spines-Range 12", s6/ap4, Assault 6, Haywire
>2xOverdeveloped Talons-S:+2, Melee
>Acidic Thresherscythe tail-Poisoned 2+, Armourbane, Melee
>BioelectricContainment Field-5++ invuln save, increased to 4++ for shooting from more than 18" away
>Synapse Creature, Deep Strike, Subterranean Assault, Shadow in the Warp, Fleet, IWND
>When you field a Trygon Despot, you can field Ravener Broods as Troops, but cannot take more than one Flying Monstrous Creature in your Army
>A Trygon Despot may not Stomp, but can Tank Shock using the Thunderblitz table
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>>44956530
>Be Ork player
>casual 1850pts game
>IG turn 1
>Demolisher Russ explodes Morkanaut
>Wyverns kills 11 of 20 boys
>they run off the board
>all else fires at bike squad
>6 bikers dead, 2 with Big Mek and Painboy left
>they run off the board
>800pts gone, 400 in reserve
>concede before moving
>mfw
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>>44956529
>>44956531

Has the Chaos Warshrine just gone up in price?

Last I checked it was 250 DKK now it's 350 DKK which kinda kills the idea for me sadly.
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>>44956576
>get fucked by dice
I play nids, i know your codex is somehow worse than mine, but sometimes the dice just fuck you raw. You got fucked by dice as much as you got fucked by sweaty guardsmen
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>>44956580
Make your own you crazy bastard
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>>44956584
Oh I know, leadership tests were just fucking killmenow rolls
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>>44956319
Do you mean using Astra Corpseloverum Rules, or glorious rules for R&H as laid out in IA 13.
For the former if enforcer=lord commisar it might work.

Now on to the good guys. The real, enlightened brethren.
Well you can have a troop choice called veteran something, which is 5 dudes (+10 pts per additonal) so with 10 dudes, you are setfor standard.
For Hq you need a good rebel, which can be customized (Witch, Heretek,etc). He always comes with his elite bodyguards (min 4). So unless you change the enforcer into glorious rebel, no you would need a commander.
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>>44956584
He got fucked by the garbage that was the 'Naut
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>>44956587
Was going to loot it for bitz, really want the gain cult leader and alter.
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>>44956597
Im going for the IA R&H
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>>44956421
I just wasn't sure how to approach it, I brought it up to the employee and he knew th autist by name so I didn't want to overreach. Just glad he was up for another game after such a shutter.
>>44956425
Usually most posts are short and quippy
>>44956446
Yeah man the guy I was painting across from was getting kick out of it, the kid had tesla immortals and the sperg made some terribly hilarious zap zap when they rolled 6s.
I knew something was up because they were both explained the lists they were running and he was practically masturbating.
>>44956458
I will give him the fact that he got completely shat on while simultaneously fucking Ultramarines Cent Star.
I was taken aback that the clerk was unleashed by it
>>44956474
Cool thanks for the reply
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>>44956557
Anyone want to comment on it? Over/underpriced or powered?
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>>44956530
>playing useless and expensive hh, when you can take riptides or ghostkeels for its price
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>>44956641
I like it, poisoned is pretty unnecessary imo. I would give it something that disrupts Invul saves with its electric theme. Make units Reroll them or increase the save by 1
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>>44956653 (You)
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>>44956674
By increasing I mean 5+ becomes 6+ etc
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>>44956612
Get battlescribe, seriously it is free and helps you to navigate through that book as there are so many options you can only take when you have X in your army, it makes your head spin.


So as said, you do not need an enforcer, furthermore there really is no point in bringing one, as all he does is trying to keep your dudes from running away + giving them drugs to make them better in combat. So he only really works in big squads IMHO. The minimum dudes needed for a platoon is 3*10 dudes, more than you have.
If you really only have that I suggest using that enforcer model as your commander and get some special/heavy weapons. Interesting choices are marauders (mercenaries get stealth and infiltration, but cannot regroup ever. They run)
and small veteran squads in a chimera, as they are cheap and can hold objectives. The rebel leader is an independent character, so he/she/it can leave the bodyguard squad for another, giving them special rules. (Interesting covenant of tzeentch for snapshots @ BS2)

Well it is not exactly a good start, because
a) you need some special/heavy weapons to crack enemy armor and bigger stuff, fortunatly you can bring much there.
b) since the vet squads cost quite a lot of points, you might want to have disposable cheap bodies. (Can come in any variety, plague zombies for example).
If you want the "more veteran guys" army, you can make your leader into a bloody handed reaver and can take stormtroopers as veterans, complete with helguns, so buying one box of them might be better.
Oh for starters, you might want to go a certain "path" like I want plague zombies, so you do not end up with units you might not be able to use. For example you can only use stormtroopers at all if your warlord is a reaver. And since its warlord, an additional detachment won't help you
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>>44956674
The tail is an additional attack made at I1, or a melta shot against vehicles. The save changes kinda work, but i want something thats a low-points, TAC, solid LOW, not something designed to take out ss/th termies or similar enemies. Maybe something dropping enemy Initiative within 6", or successful hits that fail to wound generate a s4 ap- attack?
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>>44956432
It's just not fair... I hate flyrants, I really do, but I also hate getting fucked by my friends' necrons and tau.

Oh well, I guess I just have to hope the next OP as fuck unit actually feels swarmy.
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>>44955087
They couldn't be happy with fucking Santa clause and his death sleigh. They couldn't be happy with fucking Lord Wolf of the Wolffuckers wolfington. They couldn't be happy with marines riding wolves.

They actually did it, they went full WOLF and brought those fuckers back. Goddamn werewolf marines. And just you wait, there'll be a "furry" head or 5 on that sprue that will go for fucking $5 a piece on ebay as all the furfags just have to have them.

Goddammit why don't they just give in and let you take nothing but fucking wolves for your army?

I still hate space wolves from back in 5th, when literally every goddamn marine army in my area was using Wolffucker rules. I will completely admit im still salty about it for solely that reason.
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>>44956735
>like Space Wolves
>make an army that doesn't have a wolf in every unit
>still get made fun of at locals
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>>44956735
>And just you wait, there'll be a "furry" head or 5 on that sprue that will go for fucking $5 a piece on ebay as all the furfags just have to have them.

Even more furry than this ... thing? I don't think this even possible.
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>>44956794
>I don't think this even possible
Well that helmet isn't a fur one, so it's possible.
Nice grammar, by the way.
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>>44955485
What's the benefit of using cement over glue? Unless all of the super give near you is shit..
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>>44956794
Yes

Because these won't be furry helmets

They'll be actually furry heads. As in, the thing has its helmet off.

There is one way they can save this in my eyes though, and that's if the nearest, non space wolf force that sees these things IMMEDIATELY unloads into them because they look like chaos spawn.

>13th company of whatever the fuck comes back
>walks out of the portal in clear view of imperial guard artillery regiment
>"Danger close! Heretic marines on top of us!"
>"YOU WANT SOME TOAST?!?! THATS AN ODD REQUEST BUT OK!"
>turn the entire area into glass with sustained barrage.
>Space Wolves glad they don't have to deal with that shit and just pretend it never happened.

Then I would forgive GW.
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>tfw no raven guard upgrade packs
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You know, on the one hand, I know that WD is just a glorified advertisement, but on the other, there's every chance that some poor suckers out there actually believed this drivel.
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>>44956886
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Raven-Guard-MKVI-Heads-Upgrade-Set
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Raven-Guard-Upgrade-Set
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Raven-Guard-MKVI-Shoulder-Pads
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Raven-Guard-Space-Marines-Upgrade-Pack
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Raven-Guard-MKIV-Shoulder-Pads
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Raven-Guard-MKII-Shoulder-Pads
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Raven-Guard-MKIII-Shoulder-Pads
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Raven-Guard-MKVI-Torsos-Upgrade-Set
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>>44956948
>resin
Fock you.
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>>44956735
Sorry for having some form of uniqueness unlike the other SM chapters, whose biggest claim of singularity is having abs or tunics (that another chapter has, btw)
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>>44956972
No, anon, if you don't want it, then it's you who is focked.
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>>44953145
Gaunts could be 2 pts a model and still be shit. Cheap bad units are still bad units. Tyranid Swarm lists will never be good unfortunately. 40k has moved past the point where something with a gaunts profile and wargear even matters.
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>>44956910
Fuck it fill everything with Nobz!
Not like I was going to win either way.
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>>44957076
That's the spirit! If you weren't going to win anyways, you might as well use the bad stuff in your codex.
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>>44956735
You still going on about the Wulfen?

All old side-dexes had their thing, BT are slav stormfags pretending to be glorious germanics.
Ultras permit themselves a mini Imperium by following letter of the Codex rather than spirit.
Bangles have sparkly vampires with abs of plasteel.
SW have totally not mutant werewolves and Dangles dark secret is wanting to be chubby little redneck ginger girls.
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Am I reading wrong or what but do all sisters of battle unites have a +5 invulnerable save?
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>>44957067
They're fine as mobile cover, and for tarpitting big shit.
And upgraded, they CAN dish out the hurt via floods of dice. Poisoned hormagaunts will drag down even big beasties, and Devourer termagaunts will out-dakka shoota boyz, with a better BS to boot
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What is the difference between metal, plastic and resin models?(except price)
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>>44957340
Resin is the most fragile but can be molded a lot more easily than plastic hence why mode resin models/kits have more detail.

Plastic is the bog-standard model kit material that has less detail than good resin kits but isn't as fragile.

There's literally no reason to use metal.
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>>44957340
Resin is shit. Metal is heavy.
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>>44957340
Plastic
>easy to glue, no need for drilling
>easy to convert
>the least issues with color flaking
>expensive molds

Metal
Bascially everything worse than plastic these days, but the production is cheaper . Years ago the details were better to cast in metal, but this argument is outdated by now.

Resin:
Worse than metal but even cheaper. I hate resin because you'll always have some issues with bubbles and shit. It's simply not the right substance for miniatures, but it's cheap and easy to handle AND the rate of bubbles and other errors is rather low, if the caster knows what he's doing and uses the right mixture.

Restic/PVC (is it PVC?)
Absolute dogshit. It's cheap, but you'll regret buying that shit. If you have no other option or simply love the sculpt be prepared to get frustrated.
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>>44957167
All Sisters units vehicles too have a 6+ invul and Adamantium will.
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>>44957364
>There's literally no reason to use metal.

Other than you get all the details of resin without any of the fragility.

>inb4 "resin is more detailed than metal"

http://www.ragingheroes.com/blogs/news/14122621-how-to-choose-between-metal-and-resin-heroines

>"if you compare a metal cast and a resin cast side-by-side, the resin always cast 'looks' better, but this is due to the optical properties of the two materials. On metal, light gets reflected and distorted and, most times, there is also some level of oxidation on the surface of the metal that creates tiny spots and stains."
>resin has a very even finish and the light is slightly absorbed by the material, given it a smooth aspect, a clean look. Because of that, details APPEAR sharper.
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>>44957414
Restic?
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>>44957414
>no need for drilling

Drill your barrels or get out.
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>>44957435
What about putting a dot of black paint on the end of the barrel?
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>>44957429
It's the term that people use for some of the mantic 'plastic', it's somwhere between palstic and resin. I think their ogres and dark elf gargoyles are made of it (and the dreadball stuff?). Afaik Avatars of War used that shit for their Dark Elf witches.
The stuff is as durable as plastic , but the details aren't as good, moldlines are hard to remove because it's tougher and you can't use plastic glue on it. All in all it's an even worse material for miniatures than resin, but it's even cheaper or something.
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>>44957455
it looks like shit
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>>44956443
And the prices are still ridiculous.
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>>44957435
I meant drilling and putting sticks between two metal parts of the miniature to give it more stability. I don't know the English term for it...
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>>44957416
Wait so Sisters are not that shit? Or am I tripping balls?
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>>44957179
>And upgraded, they CAN dish out the hurt via floods of dice.

But they'll rarely get much of a chance to bring those floods of dice to bear. Gaunts/Hormagaunts are so fragile, and the meta so shooting-heavy, that it's almost impossible to get them down the table alive in any great quantity. Those points you spent putting Toxin Sacs on your Hormagaunts could have been better spent on buying more Hormagaunts, and ensuring you have more than half a dozen models left to strike after enemy shooting, Overwatch, then casualties taken from being forced down to I1 through cover.

Termagants with Devourers can work, I'll grant. But that's the only time buying an upgrade for any kind for Hormagaunts or Termagants should be considered.
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>>44956653
I'll take not being a faggot for 100
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>>44957477
We call that pinning.
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>>44957482
Yeah sisters are actually pretty decent rules wise. They have access to a fair amount heavy weapon spam and rhinos spitting out d6 s8 ap1 shots. They can definitely hold their own against a load of armies if they have some inquisitorial support.
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>>44957492
>tau
>not faggot
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>>44957485
Don't worry, the nid decurion will give them free biomorphs, so you can have loads of cheap gaunts with furious charge and poisoned attacks.

A bug can dream...
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>>44957522
I'm starting Sisters, just because I want something to paint. Right now I can repurpose my old Black Templar Rhinos. 4 if I recall plus a Predator.

I can basically make 2, 5 girl troops with flamer and heavy flamer and 2, 5 girl Dominion squads all of them with melta. Along with combi flamers and combi melta superiors respectively.


But outside of that I'm rather clueless.
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Meanwhile, on Warseer...
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>>44957572
>mfw
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>>44957572
Great, more AoS models for me to ignore.
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>>44957572
What have we done to deserve this?
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>>44957610
They're Wulfen.
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>>44957524

U

M
A
D
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>>44957591

>"Oh Horatius, I hardly knew Ye taste..."
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>>44957617
I reject your reality.
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>>44957572
Is the mofo doing the karate kid pose?
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>>44957591
>>44957572

Oh hell yes, I'm going to get rich selling my old metal ones.
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>>44956122
Why is he standing like what? What possible action is that pose supposed to represent?
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>>44957564
That's a good start to a sisters army. It's a pity they discontinued the Immolator, but if you have Z's contact details that shouldn't be a problem.
For a HQ, Celestine is the go-to choice. If you plan to keep that fast attack slot open, Seraphim with 2 pairs of Hand flamers are damn amazing.
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>>44957551
Any Termagaunts will be able to use devourers for cheaper or free!
Warriors will get Eternal Warrior, too!...

I really, really need this new codex.
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>>44957572
Jesus christ those are terrible. Someone needs to tell GW less is more.

I forgot all images from early 2000 were tiny .gifs before searching up images of the old wulfen minis.
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>>44957572
>working on a 30k SW army
>want to make a wulfen/lone wolf style moritat
>look around at 3rd party bits, conversion ideas, etc.
>see this

Well, I'm sure I'll get some conversion bits out of that. The dude in the middle looks cool, but I know he'll be $48 and I need him to have pistols not icicle wrist blades.
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>>44957664
Actually I have something that was going to use as Seraphim, sadly there is no easy way to turn them into dual wielding pistols. So I might just make up a Bolter like thingy to count as bolt pistols and some flamer to count as hand flamers. Got 10 of those so it shouldn't be a problem.

Yah I got Z's contact sadly he is not responding. So I guess he is still hangover after the chinese new year.
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>>44957572
Oh dear lord, those look awful. Maybe they'll be better when we see the actual models instead of blurry photos of a magazine cover, but based on that picture, the old metals absolutely blow those out of the water.
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>>44957698
That fucker knows how to party if he's still hungover from February.
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>>44957572

Sometimes I wish GW would give the Raven Guard more attention, seeing things like this makes me happy they don't.
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Do they use a dartboard to decide what army to pump out new models for
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>>44957721
What, you don't want sneaky-sneak-sneak marines with with huge winged jump packs, Dr. Robotnik facial hair on helmet and bling all over them?
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>>44957572
GIVE ME AN R!
R!

GIVE ME A U!
U!

GIVE ME AN S!
S!

GIVE ME AN S!
S!
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>>44957760
BROTHER!

>>44957738
I think it's just a combination of "what sells" and "what the model designers feel like working on".
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>>44957755

I want to buy the Robotnik Marine and paint him up like Dr Robotnik.

Glad he's just a generic marine captain though and not a Raven Guard character. Shrike looks bad enough.

The Dark Furies look good with the exception of the jump-packs, luckily I have enough MkIV jump packs from Sanguinary Guard to switch.
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>>44957760
Needs more flails.
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>>44957572
>>44957591

>Barely any feral, werewolf look in them

DROPPED
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>>44957812
Yarr I mean they just look like hairy abhumans, not really wolfish in any way.
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>>44957773
It makes sense for a smaller release though.
BA have Death Company, Vanillas have Legion of the Dammed, Eldar have Harlequins, IG has Stormtroopers. There wasn't much left to do without inventing new stuff, except for maybe Deathwatch. Fallen would be great or Tau allies.
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>>44957634
Wax on wax off, Wolfie-san.
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>>44957572
WHAT. THE. FUCK
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>>44957865
I don't have a problem with the Wulfen being brought back - they were a pretty cool unit back in the old 13th Black Crusade days. It's just a shame the new models look, from the initial picture, like trash.
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What a good proxy for my Blood Angels army?

My current codex is poo and I love melee marines.

Thanks guys. You have always been helpful.
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>>44957572
Yeah, GW is dead. They can't do anything right.
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>>44957865
At this pace, once again there's little to no reason for having separate SM codexes, when you can just roll all these Death Companies and Wulfen into one Abomination Squad, like what we had in the old days.
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>>44957572
The central one looks like he has the same claws of Murderfang. This may mean two things:
>It would be a pretty mean weapon in cc. S6 AP2 can really hurt if it hits at initiative
>If the rumors about GW wanting to release the Wulfen with the SW codex (but unable to do so because of problems in the mould) are true, Murderfang was probably meant as a 13th company dreadnought, but they had to create in a hurry its (lacklusting) backstory when they were not able to release the two units together
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>>44957958
Your right, but GW wants to release Marines.
Also Death Company and LoD are great models. And I feel like the wulfen would look good with different heads, or just helmets. Like the Gal Vorbak.
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>>44957572
Woah.
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>>44957572
Do we have any reason to play 40k now?
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>>44957996
is that really Bjorn? They covered him in piles of wolfy crap like that lol?
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>>44957958
Fuck you, I want my Wulfen WS/S5 and BS0 like in the good old times
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>>44958014
>BS0
>models have pistols

Is this like when Kell was the highest BS models in IG but didn't have any ranged weapons?
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>>44957996
That's kinda hypocritical Bjorn.
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>>44957905

> Codex Tier
Run them as not-Raven Guard using the Mont'Ka formations. Some nice benefits to Assault Marines can be found in there and it's a very simple jump to make. It's basically the Blood Angels Codex, minus Death Company but using updated Scouts, Dreads and a slightly chunkier army list.

> Forge World Tier
Carcharadons are the closest match to a Blood Angels playstyle IMO. Rage and Fear, plus you can make melee-Tacticals. Again a very easy fix, arguably the cheapest, but reliant on your opponent accepting Forge World like they fucking should, it's 2016 fuck dammit.

> 30k Tier
Can always try porting the army into a 30k format. The Blood Angels are currently limited to Furious Charge as their only 'thing' which is still arguably better than the weaker Legions. You'll get Troop Assault Marines, bigger blobs and a very different range of toys. You'll also get to play 30k rather than 40k.
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>>44956576
Oh God my sides. I can't stop laughing
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>>44958014
Yes! Some variation to the eternal continuity of Marine statline!

Perhaps BS 1 so they can hit something with their bolt pistols while charging but anyway..
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>>44957996
Those are your older brothers that you have whined about for millennia because you didn't go with them. Have some respect
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>>44957455
It'll look like your gun has a fat bulging blackhead as most who neglect drilling barrels also don't clean up the nubs from the sprue properly.
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May I get advice for this:

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Creature_Feature_Creation_Table_for_/tg#Creature_Lifestyle
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>>44958037
There's a paragraph in one of the Space Wolf novels/short stories about how he hates all the bling the Iron Priests have bolted onto his chassis to honour him, IIRC.
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>>44957760
That's actually part of the Callidus mating dance
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>>44958072
Which is triple funny considering Bjorn's old model was basically a stock Mk. V with barely any distinguishing features and now look at him.
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>>44957572
Well shit. I like wulfen, but those are Fisher-Price style AoS sculpts.
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>>44958072
And he can't tell them to knock it off when he's active?
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>>44956910
This. Just... this. Still chuckling.
My favorite Morkanaut story is when I one shot one with a DC Dread melta. On overwatch.
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>>44957705
I bet GW will be releasing the old wulfen as vintage models at a fat markup, hope for a Daemonette effect.
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>>44957905
Space Sharks
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>>44958012
That's what you get for sleeping when drunk people are about.
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>>44957996
Is that Johnny Bravo on his left side?
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So I'm noticing Skitarii vanguard seem to be objectively superior than Rangers despite rangers having the cooler gas mask and hood combo?

Seems kinda lame. I guess I could try scouting them into a midfield vantage point and giving them sniper rifles?
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>>44958046
THIS.
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>>44958165
Whoa mama.
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>>44958046
There is time for respect and time when you take out the flamers.

Time for Emperors peace, brothers.
Like what Blood Ravens do to the most succumbed and what Raven Guard did to their... experiments
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>>44958167
>Read the Damnos novel
>Chief Librarian Tigurius says he is among the elite psykers of the Space Marines. He recounts the names of all the powerful marine psykers
>He says he is greater than them
>The reason for his he says
>Because he is an Ultramarine, the purist of them all

Why are smurfs so obnoxious?
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>>44958167
>seem to be objectively superior than Rangers

They aren't. They simply have different roles. Vanguards are for vanguarding, while rangers are for backfield camping while still being able to contribute to the fight with their 30" gun.
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>>44957572
They took our blender dreads and made them Murderfag the Yiffborn.
Now they take our Death Company and make them furfags with power icicles.
Fuck you GW
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>>44958167
Vanguards are just better. I made a "rule of cool"-choice and modeled all my Skitarii, rangers and vanguards, with the hoods. They just look so much cooler.
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>>44958194
Pride comes before a fall
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>>44958189
Reminder that without them Abaddon would already be on Earth
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>>44958189
>Like what Blood Ravens do to the most succumbed

If you mean Blood Angels, then know that they respect and cherish them and allow them to die in battle.

The Wulfen curse is not hat different from the Blackrage/Thirst.
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>>44957572

Bleh, not wolfy enough. They look like weird low budget yeti dudes.
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>>44957760
WHAT WE DON'T JUST RE USE OLD CAD DESIGNS WHAT'S A CALLIDUS I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT
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>>44958130
I don't think he has the heart. It's been a while since I read the passage, and I'm not a great fan of the Space Wolves so may be misremembering, but the impression I had is that Bjorn just doesn't care a great deal any more. The Imperium has completely failed the Emperor's vision, his Chapter has devolved into a band of wolf-worshiping savages compared to how they were as a Legion, and his own memories are dribbling away while the daemons who orchestrated the whole sorry affair are reborn again and again in the warp. He just wants to be left alone to sleep at this point.

>>44958167
Rangers are good primarily because of their range. They can hang back on rear objectives and the 30" range of their guns means they can still contribute. Having Precision Shots as standard also comes in handy now and then, since they can try sniping out special/heavy weapons. The Arquebus' are expensive, but allow the unit to ping Hull Points off light vehicles fairly reliably. I generally bring one unit for every two units of Vanguard and feel they pull their weight.
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When was the last time GW made a good model? Was it the Skitarii release?
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>>44958197

Yeah, but there's no value in sitting on a backfield objective for the sake of sitting on a backfield objective. You assign that task to units that wouldn't be moving about much anyhow.
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>>44958165
Naw, that was Bjorn, he was a mohawked, LC wielding permanent Blood claw who never to orders from nobody, except Russ.
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>>44958229

Well, the Ghostkeel and Updated Crisis were great. I can't remember if they did any 40k releases since then, but the Sigmar shit has been worthless for a while.
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>>44958258
>Ghostkeel
Top Heavy: The Model.
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Since we are talking about Bjorn, I might as well post some excerpts about him

>‘They… spoke?’ asked Guthorm.

>‘They knew each other.’

>That silenced them. Finnvid shook his head. It sounded incredible to him now, but it was the truth. He always spoke the truth.

>‘Right at the kill, it was laughing,’ he said. ‘The Fell-Handed was tearing it apart, and it was just laughing. It said: I know you. I fought you when you were the fastest of your kind. I fought you when your mortal claw could reach around my throat. Do you remember? What remains of that claw now?’

>The warriors stayed silent. They were rapt, hanging on Finnvid’s words. ‘The Fell-Handed did not reply. The creature kept talking. We are eternal. You know that now? Has the lesson finally been hammered home? We come back. We are unchanged. Your triumphs are temporary. A little pain, a flash of time, but we return. Look at you now!’

>Finnvid had no trouble recalling the words. It was like they had been seared onto his mind.

>‘You called out names the last time. Do you remember them? I do. Tell them to me again. Tell me the names of those I killed.’

>Guthorm stared at him through the flames, his wound looking black and angry. ‘Did he?’

>Finnvid nodded. ‘The Fell-Handed spoke. He was still fighting, and he spoke. Russ, but that voice. Like something out of the sagas. I could barely understand the accent. It was like a dream coming alive. He reeled off a name every time he struck a blow. Alvi. Byrnjolf. Eirik. Gunnald Shieldbearer. Hiorvard.’

>‘Who are they?’
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>>44958269
Maybe do it a few hundred more times before you try it on a model you care about. Also thin year paints
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>>44958269
Looks terrible senpai.

Put him in the microwave to end his suffering.
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>>44958258
>the Sigmar shit has been worthless for a while.

The big lizard they released as part of the Fireslayers was pretty cool, if it wasn't for the dumpy, naked little man perched on top.
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>>44958285
>‘I don’t know. But then came the strange thing.’ Finnvid hesitated. ‘He couldn’t remember the last one. There was one more, but he couldn’t get it. The daemon laughed at him. I remember, it said. I will always remember. And when you are gone, I will be the only one who remembers. Think on that. If the Fell-Handed had been angry before, he fought like a baresark after that. He just piled on the pain. Hjolda, but I’ve never seen anything like it. The thing was still laughing when it died. Bjorn didn’t stop. He burned the whole carcass to ashes. He was still burning it when the battle fell away and we were given the order to stand down. Who was going to tell him to stop?’

>Finnvid tried to smile at the others, to lift their spirits, but the story had made them uneasy, just as he’d feared it would.

>‘How did it finish?’ asked Guthorm.

>‘I saw him leave,’ said Finnvid. ‘The lander came down with its escorts. They had six priests waiting to usher him back. He stomped right past me, close as you are, covered in blood. Everyone fell back.’

>Finnvid clasped his hands before him, slumping forward on his elbows. The fire didn’t do much to warm him.

>‘He was still trying to get it. I heard him. He couldn’t remember. They took him up into the hold and he ignored them all.’

Bjorn is cautionary tale about the price of loyalty. Broken in mind and broken in body. What did he gain for his service? Bloody silence.

The Chaos Gods grant life and glory everlasting. Let Bjorn dwell on that while he forgets the names of his fallen brothers.
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>>44958302
Damn. Harsh
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>>44958273

Legs are sturdy enough. I modeled one of mine in a leaping pose and it worked fine.
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>>44955329
Good luck, read up on their rules. They dont use the standard 6 objective points if you dont know that.
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>>44958293

True. Shame it doesn't come with wings, Warhammer is surprisingly light on good dragon models in any game.
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>>44955688
>Leman Russ is the worst primarch
You can't say that! He had a Ruff upbringing!
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>>44958009
you like, the game? Throwing it out there.
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>>44958293
It's not not fireslayers.

It's FYREslayers.
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>>44958357
Again? Dude you can't use the same joke twice.
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>>44956169
Use kroot to bubblewrap your shit, Solitaire will fuck up your shit, scare you off in any direction he wants. Deathjester's bullshit is bullshit.
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>>44958375
You're barking up the wrong tree.
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>>44958302
Fuck off, heretic. Loyalty is its own reward.

Chaos offers slavery and damnation, that is all.
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>>44958375
You wish he had said it twice
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>>44958367

I've noticed people seem to be by general consensus just calling AoS stuff more sensible names, like Sigmarines instead of Stormcrumble Flabbidydoos and Fireslayers instead of pointless y.

Oh, and Google Seraphon. I fucking dare you.
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>>44958387
You're right. We should always take the path of loyalty, like the Wulfens did.
10 millennia in the enemy base, fighting daemons and heretics, while never losing faith in the Emperor and now they have come back to fight Chaos once again in the darkest days of the Imperium
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>>44958404
>Oh, and Google Seraphon. I fucking dare you.

No, thank you, I've fapped enough today.
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>>44958404
That was a great fucking thread, minus all the trauma I got from googling seraphon. GW should learn to do a quick image search before slapping on a retarded ass name to their product.
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>>44958302
>Chaos gods grant non shit things

Yeah, no.
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>>44956595
>leadership tests were just fucking killmenow rolls
Thanks Aun'va! Your spirit is undying!

I share your pain, LD 7 is horrible as fuck. I take GTG saves as much as possible.
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>>44958404
I don't know what you're talking about, there are just a bunch of pages about the AoS army, included the 1d4cham tactics one.
Even the Google images part look all norm-What the hell is that!?
Is that... furry tickling?
Who the hell fap to that!? And who thought of calling something like that "seraphon"!?
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>>44958387
>meanwhile
Y'all needs some greater good
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>>44958486
I'll have to say, no one should feel sorry for Tau of course we're dirty whores, but fuck man Ld. Tests have screwed me over.
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>>44957482
Sisters are relatively okay rules-wise although you're tripping balls if you think a 6++ and Adamantium Will have anything to do with that. They're just slightly too expensive and lack options. Access to the Avenger helped as it gave them a flyer and some anti-air to cover some of the gaps
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>>44958500
>implying the Greater Good isn't some Just As Planned plot by the Emperor to create supplements to create a supplement force to the Imperium
>yfw Tau tech is being mass produced by Hive Worlds.
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>>44957610
>Space Wolves
>AoS
At least ignore them for the right reasons

>>44958572
Flesh Tearer Drop pods really help too
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>>44958545
>we're dirty whores
Speak for yourself, fag.
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>>44958606
It's no use fighting it.
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>So, this is the Puretide AI, it allows us to receive the wisdom of our greatest leader.
>Oh yes, we have something like that, to receive the Emperor's wisdom.
>Indeed? How does that work?
>We draw these cards and interpret what they mean!
>...
>[Shas'O, the gue'la are fools]
>[I know, honoured one, I know, but just go with it.]
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>>44955813
>deffstorm to assault 20 TL with rending

Deffstorm is my favourite weapon in the entire codex but my god it is so absolutely fucking shit and barely ever hits, even with 18 shots.

BS3 or Twinlinked please. Start petition.
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>>44958600
>clear AoS shit trying to get pushed into 40k is the wrong reason

Fuck off, mate.
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>>44958657
The Nid Codex has a weapon that is +1 AP3 Shred, ID on a 6, and I+3. I love it but it's 45 fucking points
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>>44958572
I was tempted to get a StormRaven the flying landraider and stuff it with a priest and Repentians for shits and giggles.


Mostly to make a bad joke about "Naked girl pile Go!"
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>>44958636
>Space Marines with Purtide chips

Tank hunter and monster hunter Devastarors everywhere.
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>At the end of the owning player's turn, a gorkanuaght/mornanaught may open or close its frontal doors
>A 'naught with its doors open counts as open topped
y/n?
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>>44958736
For what purpose
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>>44958765
So you can assault from the vehicle while avoiding the flamers, I suppose
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WHat is the worst unit in the game currently?
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>>44958782
Except for troll answers like Fire Warriors, most will consider either DE wyches or Tyranids pyrovore the worst unit
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Can I tell you about Red Hunters?
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>>44958808
>DE wyches

Wyches aren't great, but they're nowhere near the worst unit in the game. Pyrovores or Ripper Swarms certainly have a good claim for the title though.
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>>44958782
Maleceptor is up there
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OK guys

Tourney coming up soon. I'm really quite new to the game. Tourney rules, no unbound, super heavies/gargantuans limited to max 2 per army, no comp shit, maelstrom of war missions. 1500p Rate my list:
CAD:
HQ: farseer on bike - runes of -1 warp charge to cast, spear.

troop:
5 X scatter bikes (will stick farseer in here)
3 X scatter bikes
3 X scatter bikes

Fast attack:
5 x Swooping Hawks with exarch

Spirit Host:
1 X spiritseer
1 X wraithknight (sword/shield)
1 X Wraithlord - sword + shurken cannon
5 X Wraithblades - axes
5 X Wraithguard
5 X Wraithguard

plan is to have the knight out the front taking fire while the wraithguard advance and bikes go up each flank. Will be trying to flat out table my opponent rather then go for objectives
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>>44958839
beastmen?
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>>44958839
But why? Who's snorting dried up daemonette organs while designing these?
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>>44958839
I can't wait to get banned from GW for adding a cross behind him.
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>>44958880
He died for the sins of the Space Wolves. Russ is going to miss him.
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>>44958839
Who the fuck decides the poses on these faggots?
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>>44958839
Fuck you, i really like them.
Except for the pose of the central one why does GW like it so much? We already have the Harlequins sergeant and the Callidus that look like that that I hope may be not too difficultly modified (maybe making him looks more like assaulting an enemy in front of him) they look great, as much as the blurry picture can tell.
They are exactly like a group of werewolf fighting for millennia in the Eye of Terror should look like.
I hope they will have S5 to go with those muscles and Chapter Master-like stats, because if you fight for 10'000 years you definitely need those kind of stats with your Veterans of the Long War
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>>44958842
>super heavies/gargantuans limited to max 2 per army
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>>44958842
>super heavies/gargantuans limited to max 2 per army
Where is your second Wraithknight?
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>>44958972
Only own one of them.

trying not to be 'that guy'

this list is as about as competitive as it gets for me
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>>44958839
Am I the only one intrigued by the concept of a unit of Space Marines without their power armour on?
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>>44959057
No homo?
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>>44959057
You really, REALLY, should have added "no homo" to the end of your post.
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>>44959071
>Space Marines
>No homo
>Insert DA/BA/UM joke.
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>>44959057
No, because GW's gonna fuck it up an they'll just look like buff dudes.
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>>449I like the bottom right guy. It looks like hes touching up his makeup.
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>>44959095

That is what marines without their armour look like.

Burly seven foot dudes.
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>>44959112
With a hard plastic film inserted under their skin and plugs all over.
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>>44957551
>Implying Tyranids won't be stuck with the Leviathan Detachment
Seriously Anon, if you want a picture of the Tyranids' future, imagine a boot stamping on a Tyrant's face for ever
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>>44955485
I have used super glue since the beginning on over 3000 points worth of models, and it's only hurt me a couple of times and not in a major way.
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>>44958827
>Ripper Swarms

I see ripper swarms used pretty ofted as deepstriking objective secured cheap troops. Also their low profile allow you to keep them out of los very easily.
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>>44958782
Pyrovores by far, even the most useless Ork unit can't compare

>>44958830
Eh, he's dumb but not THAT dumb.
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>>44958782
a C'tan shard is up there. almost 300 points for a T7 4W MC with a random shooting attack.
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>>44959210
It's not good, but it's leagues away from worst.
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>>44959210
He's still a T7 MC though.
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>enter room
>nothing in
>go further in
>two gorechimeras materialize between me from thin air
>start battle
> LOOK ARISEN! A LICH!
>que 4 hellhounds

FUCK THAT ROOM
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>>44958782
This or pyrovore
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>>44958782
You'll be lucky if they last a turn of shooting.
You'll be luckier to survive overwatch.
You'll be luckier still to survive until Initiative step 1.
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>>44959257
Usually your opponent isn't ruthless enough to let you roll.
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>>44958657

> The Deffstorm can expect ~3.5 S6 hits a turn
> A Scatterbike can expect ~2.7
> 2 Scatterbikes will outshoot a Gorkanought while retaining JSJ
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Tyranid Decurion:

Core Requirements:

1 Tyranid Prime
3 Units of Termagaunts
3 Units of Hormagaunts
3 Units of Tyranid Warriors
3 Units of Pyrovores
3 Units of Malanthropes

Core formation benefit: Malanthropes get fleet.

Decurion Benefit: Synapse get +1 inch range.
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>>44958014
>WS/S5
>mfw wulfen end up being possessed marines but better in every concievable way
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>>44955891
Enjoy getting shot off the table the turn you arrive.
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>>44959379
Gw would never do that. Malanthropes are a FW model.

>>44959387
They also all have wolf legs, so I bet they are beasts.
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>>44959407

I meant the shit ones.

Whatever they're called. The dual kit thing with venomthropes with psychic powers instead. Big stupid monstrous creature.
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>>44959406
Unless you use of one the billions of SM formation that ignores the limitation AND gains a ton of bonuses on top while doing so.
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>>44959379
That benefit is actually better than the one we currently have... Have you considered that writer opening GW has?
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>>44959387

> What is literally every single CSM MEQ unit in the game
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>>44959432
>dual kit thing with venomthropes
Those are zoanthropes. which are good and not MC

What the fuck are you talking about
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>>44959474
I think he's talking about Maleceptors.
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>>44959387
If it can be of interest, they also had move through cover, scout and were forced to move toward the nearer enemy unit with a "move+d6"" movement (at the time run didn't exist, I think)
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>>44957572
Boy I can't wait for these to come out and overshadow Death Company completely, then Space Yiffs will have completed looting all the Blood Angel shit.

Looking at you, faggot tier double-claw dread.

Seriously, fuck GW for what they've done.
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>>44957572
>>44957591

I like it. I'm not a SW player myself, but each to his own I guess. I never really liked the stuffed dogs from before >>44957668 (the "lets push a monkey in to this power armor" model).
I started playing in the era of stiff models around 20+ or so years ago, and I never liked it. I for one welcome dynamic models absolutely drenched in details. If this is a multi part plastic kit, its a total win in my book.
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>>44956137
Get the fuck out of here with your thoughtful reasoning Bullshit. Faggot.
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>>44957905

You can do Blood Angels better with pretty much any marine book OTHER than Blood Angels. Especially Wolf Wolves, just use jumppack wolf wolves as ASM and run grey wolves as tacticals with 2 CCW(Which BA should have anyway) to cover walking assault doods
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>>44959579
>lets push a monkey in to this power armor

3+ save is better than none at all.

>drenched in details

You must love AoS.
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>>44956910

>unless they're cowardly sneaks hiding in cover

What kind of 40k do you play where things aren't in cover? Oh, wait, you're a GW games developer, you don't play 40k
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>>44955188
>They pop out every now and then to help out their best buddies
What, is fucking everyone Sanguinator/Draigo?
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>>44959468
*literally every single CSM unit

there isn't a single unit in the codex that doesn't have a vastly superior equivalent in another dex
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>>44958842
>11 bikes all with heavy weapons.

Go die in a fire you cancerous faggot.
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>>44958782
Hellions, no contest.
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>>44959452
Fucking vanilla marines getting all the good shit.
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>>44959684
>Fucking marines actually getting good shit.
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>>44959608

>Love AoS

Not that I play it, I got stuck in oldhammer, which is mostly standing on the shelves for now.
But yes, I, in contrast of most /tg/´s ways of /v/ (in regards to the /v/ migration about 10years back), actually like many of the new models. But as I don't play the game I don't see why I should spend on it.

I have a solid job, and consider a Hobby to be a luxurious activity that I can spend my free time on (its not something that should be taken for granted!), and thus have no illusions that it should cost less money. I'm also old enough to have established the basics of a budget, also a rare skill here on /tg/, and thus have limited myself to a set amount of money each month. To gather an army is something that takes time, not something you buy in one go.

>3+ save

Perhaps, unless they get a better regen save of some kind. Or simply make up for it in offensive abilities. Its a hard choice, old models that you don't like with better rules than new models that you find good but with worse rules.
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>>44959737
>"I love this over-designed shit!"
>"You must really like AoS (for its over-designed shit)."
>"Fuck you, poorfag."

wut?
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>>44959432
Malenceptors or whatever. They are the worst thing ever made for nids. Worse than pyrovores. Worse than zoats
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>>44955813
I wish they would of just made it the gork(or mork)anaut and made it so you could choose either weapon, the KFF, the KMB or Skorcha, And buy rampage.

Also if you want to talk about useless things orks have. They gave all orks stikkbomms, yet we still have stikkbomm chuckas. The only unit orks have now that could use those, is grots.
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>>44959564
Testify brother. Testify!
I'm also crying in the inside
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>>44959828
>Liking details = liking over-designed details
>explaining the monetary reasons for not playing a system is an insult to the other person.
wut?
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>>44956819
Plastic cement fuses the two parts together rather than acting as an adhesive. This creates a much stronger bond.

Also when you stick things together with adhesive they aren't as close together as if they were bonded via plastic cement. In between them will be a layer of dried adhesive. This why if you must use adhesive, use the thinnest super glue you can.

The gel superglue, while very easy to use, is the worst offender at this. It bonds very poorly and leaves massive gaps.
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>>44959850

What was wrong with Zoats?
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>>44959857
>"Excuse me sir could you help me with the rules design for the Orks?"
>"What?? You're still not done?? Cmon Johnson they're coming out with 7th edition, just Copy and Paste from the last codex and add 25pts."
Im pretty sure this is how most of the codex was written.
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>>44959988
yes but the Gorkanaut, Morkanaut and the three planes are super redundant. You could condense them both into 1 unit each that gets the options of taking each thing as an upgrade. It would reduce their slots a bit.
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>>44959988
except for the models mostly got cheaper.

>>44960053
>yes but the Gorkanaut, Morkanaut and the three planes are super redundant. You could condense them both into 1 unit each that gets the options of taking each thing as an upgrade. It would cost pages.
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>>44960053
It doesnt reduce their slots because theirs only 3 slots anyway...
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>>44959240
No, just fucking no. It takes 48 Boltgun hits to kill a C´tan - 756 pts. It takes 16 DE hits to kill a C´tan - 240 pts. It takes 24 scatter laser hits to kill a C´tan - 250 pts. That is literrally the worst. Their firepower is beyond terrible, even if you could choose the power they used their firepower would be medicore at 250 pts. Their close combat abilities is stupidly low as well. Their additional ability goes from ok to more or less useless.

I went to a friendly tournament with the Deceiver the Nightbringer and the Transcendent. God help me if the blundering idiots who participated didn´t whine more about my army than the Decurion faggot standing a couple of tables over...
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>>44960096
sorry, I meant pages.
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>>44960053

You could condense all 5 Imperial Knights into one unit slot with weapon options. Very easily.
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>>44960135
Yeah but then they couldnt pretend they're coming out with double the models they actual are
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>>44959885
>Liking details
>"drenched in details"

Your own words, anon, your own words. "Drenched" is not a word used to describe something in reasonable quantities.

>explaining the monetary reasons for not playing a system is an insult to the other person.

Why do you need to do this, when nobody said you played AoS?
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>>44960122
It's a goddamn T7 MC with an invual save.

Seriously, it's not even in the conversation.
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>>44960122

You have absolutely no sense of perspective if you think a ctan is even in top ten bad units in the game.
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>>44960122

Nightbringer with a god shackle isn't too bad.

He's slow, but he has a reliable shooting attack that heals him and is brutal in assault. Take advantage of his fancy movement rule to use LoS blocking terrain to hide him from being expose to the entire opposing army.

And yeah, Powers of the C'tan sucks. That's why the only C'tan with other functional rules is the only one anyone should ever consider.
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>>44960185
>Your own words
not samefag
>Nobody said
>you must love
read motherfucker.
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>>44960190
The maleceptor is a T6 MC with an invulnerable save and is also a contender. It has -1 in T but +1W and cost a lot less. Also at least it as synapse and warp charges.
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>>44960190
It's comparable to a landraider only with less firepower for more points.
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>>44960268
>not samefag

Not the guy you're replying to either, but that does nothing to change the point. If anything you've just pointed out you can't read a reply chain.
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>>44960287
Yeah, this is a fair comparison. It's a Land Raider without transport capacity, less firepower, vulnerability to bolters, and with a bigger cost.
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>>44960330
>Cant read, because you discounted some bullish analyzation of the adjective drenched, clearly used in a positive connotation.
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>>44960336
But Anon, it has such a cool shooting table you roll on!
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Monstrous Creature is a bit of a buzzword.

Tyranid monstrous creatures tend to suck, and do you know what would change about a Riptide if you made it infantry? It would need to take dangerous terrain checks and would lose smash. That's all.
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>>44960441
And the capability to fire two weapons, causing fear, move through cover, loses relentless, loses hammer of wrath, loses ability to ignore unwieldy.
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>>44960441
Smash gives AP2 though. That's worth something. Less so on a gun platform like the riptide admittedly, but it still means it's not an absolute pushover if you do catch it.
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>>44960493
Insta-killed a Chaos Lord with Smashing Riptide, shits pretty stupid
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>>44960486
>fire two weapons
Tau battlesuit
>causing fear.
so relevant these days
>move through cover, loses relentless,
jetpack
MC matters in some cases, but not on the Riptide.
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>>44960486
>capability to fire two weapons,
All Tau suits already have that

>causing fear, hammer of wrath
ahahahahahah

>move through cover,
The only actual loss

>loses relentless,
Still jetpack infantry, so it don't lose that.

>loses ability to ignore unwieldy
Doesn't have unwieldy weapons
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Look what gw just released.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/40k-rules-digital.html?utm_source=Warhammer+Digital+General+List&utm_campaign=8f8bae83fd-2016-01-23+Fyreslayers+-+40k+rules+tablet&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7419bbbdd-8f8bae83fd-114734885
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>>44960535
So if it doesnt matter that its a Monstrous Creature then why bother changing it to infantry...
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>>44960560
That was the point anon, that MC was a buzzword that has less meaning than some people tend to think.
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>>44960560
Are you a retard? The whole point was that changing it to infantry change almost nothing.

>>44960544
goddammit, learn to link. Everything after the ? is useless. You can just write http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/40k-rules-digital.html
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>>44956576
Oh yeah, I had a guy with three battle cannons and the flame tanks with hydras. The torrent managed to kill off my killa kans because they kept fucking up their charges.
The wyverns were giving me trouble, I should have focused my shokk attack gun on them, but I thought the vortex would kill them. My deff dread got immobilized and the tankbusters turned into a fine powder.
I won by points only when most of my shit was dead.
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>>44960589
Pretty sure the "buzzwording" of monstrous creature started in the first place because everyone always talked about how much more superior they are to Walkers.
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>>44959828

>stop liking what I don't like

Think this sums up /tg/ quite well.

>Poorfag

I'm not saying poorfags shouldn't be allowed to have a hobby. I'm saying uneducated poorfags which no respect for money shouldn't be allowed to have a hobby. See the difference?

Kids these days wants thing NOW, they don't want to "invest" nor do they don't want to "save" to get the stuff they want. They want it and they want it now! Its not a question about starting out small, taking time with your hobby, build, collect and eventually have a nice looking army. Its about getting 4k of playable cheese straight up on that table, be it all in grey, not even primed or hardly assembled, it doesn't matter to the modern man.
Like everything else, they want a quick rush of a win, and when GW releases a new dex its of to the nagging board (thats /tg/ for those of you who don't get it) to complain on how expensive GW is.
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>>44960190
What does T7 do that T 6 doesn´t?

It is a 240 pt monstrous creature with 4 wounds, that is 1 w more than a god damn pyrovore.

Invul or not doesn´t mean shit if you don´t have an armour save to back it up. It might as well be a 4+ Sv. The fact that it is an invul doesn´t matter since it can get wounded by S 4 and it gets shredded by S 6. It´s durable against las cannons, but you can just park your monsters behind a wall and get a 4+ cover save if that´s what you want. Unlike normal monstrous creatures it can weather a storm of Melta, plasma and lascannons, but that doesn´t mean shit if your opponent can just shoot it with bolters.

>Pyrovores are good because they have 3 wounds.
>That is like 3 times as much as most infantry.
>Like woah dude
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>>44960593
Sorry, i'm on mobisle and it was just easier to copy paste the whole thing
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>>44960693

cont.

A person with a brain knows that having a hobby is a luxury. Why is that you say? Its because its something thats not a necessity in life. you don't need a hobby to get by in life. Its an excess, something above what you require on a daily basis. And thus, it should by all right cost money, how much is completely up to the individual, but I can tell you this much, you wont get by much cheaper doing RC cars, collecting stamps or play magic, it all cost lots of money if you want to be good at it!
Now, with a budget, a word your not familiar with I take it, you limit you're disposable income to a set value each month depending on your total income. This way you can spend up to that value. For instance, when I started this hobby I was 14 years of age, I got around $60 a month, and a box of soldiers was still around $25. That was half my total money. On the other hand, I used the shit out of that box, by cleaning, assembly, painting, and eventually playing.
Now I usually try to stay around $200 a month on games in general (not only GW), this is how much I think I can afford each month.

Stick to this, and enjoy the hobby as a whole, and you will get a lot more out of it. And eventually own several large fully painted armies.
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>>44960656
Wyverns are so strong but whenever I try to shoot them i am always reminded that 2 of them are 130 pts, it makes my soul bleed
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>>44960677
They kinda are still, but only stuff above T5 would win in a fight with a dreadnaught and they're combat oriented. Only real problem is trying to land a smash attack and pinning if you're a Riptide, but if I roll a six your 3 HP walker is blown up while I can make invulnerable saves and FNP.
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>>44960705
Not that you don't have a point, but you could be less of a pretentious cunt about it.
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>>44960259
That´s a whole different ball game, T 8 avoids S 4 and S 6. If you tool out the crypteks right the unit is almost invulnerable, argueably not quite at the level of most necron stuff though. Their incompetence is just further highlighted when put into comparison with the in general OP codex.
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>>44960762
They definately still are, there is no contest between T6+ MCs and Walkers
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>>44960694
Cannot be wounded by normal stuff.
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>>44956886
I'd be all over that. Sucks their Armor has to be black as I feel that's a cop out for painting. Ugh.
>>44956983
Yuhyuh.
>>44957492
Kek.
>>44957524
Forgot pick one.

Is it possible to play Tau Empire and not be a total fuck?

>I don't want to bring a Riptide.
>I do like Ghostkeels, Broadsides, and Crisis teams though.

I've had a boner for Tau suits since back in 2005, but never made the army.
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>>44960757
The hard part is their lack of minimum range. I tried to take them out with storm boyz, but got shredded.
If the positioning is right, you can have Snikrot move in with a squad and shoot at the rear end. But that's hard and out of your favor that deep into the shooty guardsmen.
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>>44960808
>normal stuff
Strength 4 is normal, do you even SM?
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>>44960771

Well the dude literally spelled it out for me.
If I say "I consider a hobby to be a luxury"
and he replies "what? Now only rich people should play?"

The guy was begging for a "I'm stupid" sign. If you cant take the truth, get of /tg/. There are tons of forums that lies you straight in the face.
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>>44960810
Dont play with formations, dont field Stormsurges vs armies that cant handle it.

>>44960823
True but my guy usually takes the reserves fuckery guy, also dont get me started on minimum fucking range. The fact that Basilisks can direct fire and have no minimum range triggers me so fucking hard, literally no downside to the vehicle other than its shitty armour
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>>44960810
Stick to CAD, and you should be fine bringing Ghostkeel or smaller. Before the 7th update Tau were solidly mid-tier.
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>>44960787

I was referring to just the God Shackle, actually.

If we're going full conclave, that's Superheavy unit prices you're paying- Though you do get 8 T8 wounds out of it with some healing capacity- and it can pick up a relic to turn one redeploy in the enemy deployment zone.
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>>44960861
So you need to max out two posts railing on him?
If someone wants to complain about the markup on a hobby all power to him.
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>>44960894
Taking a Mephrit Cohort is a fairly heavy tax to take a single item isn´t it?
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>>44961007

Only if you give a shit about 6 inch move troops not having Obsec.

In fact given I consider Decurions assholish, it's pretty much the only primary detachment I play barring gimmick lists made from groups of formations.
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>>44960810
Ghost Kheels are simply a solid MC without wall of mirrors. A squad of 3 is about as destructive as a Riptide.
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>>44958782
Dis.
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>>44961447
You're very late.
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>>44960533
>>44960535
If they became infantry they could also be pinned/Go to Ground. Which for something that size is a bit daft
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>>44960924

But your defending a guy because his stupidity. And not only that, your in agreement "yea, good job telling that company of for being expensive!". It only cost as much as your willing to spend, get it?
Now the stupid sign applies not only to him, king doofus has an heir to the throne it seems.
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>>44961624
You're replying to a 40 minute old post...
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>>44957572
>tfw guardsman

Not sure if chaos or loyal anymore
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>>44961677
Hush, he's smarter than us, he must know that.
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http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Shokk-and-Awe

New Ork bundle?

15 Lootas
1 Big Mek
3 Mek Guns
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>>44961624
>It only cost as much as your willing to spend
Fucking kek, having a problem with markup on a monopolistic market is reasonable and encourageable.
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>>44961788
>£3 cheaper
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>>44961788

> is it on US webstore?
> http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Shokk-and-Awe
>$250 in United States Greenbacks

kek

does someone wanna bother figuring out if there's any savings in this 'bundle'?
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>>44961788
With a massive saving of £3!
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>>44961441

Actually, I've found I do less damage with Riptides generally.

6 S7 AP4 + 1 Melta shot is more reliable workhorse damage than a large blast with AP2, which will perform a different role.
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>>44961788
Actually you only get 4 lootas per box so its
>12 Lootas
>3 Meks
>3 Mek Guns
>1 Big Mek w/ SAG
And its practically the same price as in store, 10/10
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>>44956202
Check out 9th age, familia
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>>44961892

Or kings of war which is better and not fan made garbage.
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>>44961907

New head
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>>44961864
This. The lack of AP means its much harder to take out heavier targets, even with the extra shots.
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>>44958302
>implying they aren't in the hall of heroes
Really chaos fags are desperate to negate the Emperor's grace.
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>>44961788
>New
Not really.
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