Hey /tg/ what would you recommend for a group that's just

>>44949006
At that point I'd just play a different system, but I've never really been one for splat or the system loyalty that 3.5 worked out of.

Something that's not DnD and especially something that's not fucking 3.PF.

>>44949006
Warlocks are cool.

>>44949006
Gurps

If you want to go simple, look at complete warrior.

If you are looking to replace marshal characters with something better, go Book of Nine Swords.

Expanded Psionics Handbook is usually shied away from but adds some new things to the game for those not interested in normal magic or invested in settings like Eberron.

>>44949083
This.

Warlocks are my go to for players that want to play blaster casters but do not want huge amounts of book keeping and memorization.

take your pick of what looks interesting.

>>44949006

You could try a gestalt campaign.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/gestaltCharacters.htm

>>44949006
Magic of Incarnum
Tome of Magic
Tome of Battle

Have fun, because this party is now getting Cuh-Razy!

If you're still playing 3.5, go for the Tome of Battle. It makes martial characters actually mechanically interesting and fun to play. Still not as good as casters, but it closes the power gap a decent amount.

>>44949243
This is the only way I run campaigns in 3.5 now.

Also started stealing some of the class abilities from pathfinder.

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>>44949261
These books, but also ban core classes.
Maybe throw in Warlock just for fun.

>>44949006
Something that's neither 3.x or Pathfinder.

Grab AD&D 2e and Dark Sun and set sail for adventure.

>>44949270
>>44949064

If you're getting sick of D&D, then try something that's not D&D, I'd say. But if you have to do D&D, look into Tome of Battle.

Outside of D&D, there's plenty of good stuff. If you want to do wuxia there's Legends of the Wulin. If you still want to do fantasy, there's Earthdawn 3rd ed. There's Shadowrun, Cyberpunk, all kinds of good stuff out there.

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>>44949243
I've always loved gestalt campaigns they let players build the archetypes they want withou forcing them to multi-class three or four times
Plus they let me add more high powered shenanigans to the campaign

>>44949243
Currently playing this and having a blast.

>>44949292
It's weird. Allows for some ridiculous overpoweredness of course, but as long as the challenges are good, it really opens up more options for people.

>>44949006
Enhanced Psionics. It's a whole new world.

>>44949006
Ghostwalk would be cool, too.

>D&D 3.5 has been out of print for 8 years, and there are still people who refuse to play anything else

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>>44952638
It's not like people refuse it's just that they prefer 3.5 it's an old standby for a lot of people and not nearly as bad as people make it out to be provided you're not playing with a bunch of asshats

>>44953275
>provided you're not playing with a bunch of asshats
But I'm playing with 3.5 players

>>44953296
>>44953275
>>44952638
>D&D 3.5 has been out of print for 8 years, and there are still people who refuse to play anything else

We have been playing it for five years now, with one campaign taking up 3 of those years playing it weekly, we are just dedicated to the format and very familiar with it, also it leaves a good space for storytelling

>>44951452
I started using gesalt because I got tired of seeing the same characters over and over again.

>>44949006
by far the 2 most vital sourcebook is the manual of the planes

you may also be interested in dieties and demigods but manual of the planes is your biggest priority.

>>44954119
i fucked up that sentence

but yeah manual of the planes avoid the book of exalted deeds though its utter shit

>>44952638
you can still buy the books on d&d classics.

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>>44954119
Manual of the Planes is pretty good to pull monsters from

>>44954257
the ad&d manual of the plains is indeed also good.

Use rhand morningstar missions with d&D

>>44949006
pathfinder

>>44956647
jesus christ no pathfinder is a step back from 3e in every way

it takes the worst parts of the system and makes them worse

the only thing pathfinder has over 3e is that it has cool level 20 abilitys

>>44957243
also screws over some of the best parts of the system to

Best place I saw to post this.

Recently, I introduced some house rules to try and kill some min maxing and my players making the same characters in 3.5.

Gesalt

Everyone gets 1 extra feat at chargen to use on racial feats or ones without prerequisites.

5 extra skill points and one extra skill added to class skills.

10gp for any skill point spent in craft, profession or perform at game start.

I also allow them to pick one of their starting gear for classes, the better of the max gold from classes and I give them a travelers kit. Is this too much or okay because my campaigns are pretty rough anyway. Also started seeing more character variation and people mixing some classes they never played in all these years.

>>44949006
first, all wizards are specialists. Just a rule
Tome of magic has vestiges which are really cool
Book of 9 swords is good
Play a gestalt game

>>44949116
Yooo do a game where psionics=magic

>>44949144
Similarly, warmages, beguilers and dread necromancers have a limited spell list.

If you decide to do a "Mage game," I'd suggest using spell points and making cantrips free to cast. A level one warmage can be dealing at least 4 damage a hit with cantrips

>>44958464
I usually allow psionics.

I am usually okay with most things in the books as long as it is run by me before the game.

Psionics has been a big part of my last couple of games because they were set in Eberron, but usually away from huge metropolis type areas.

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>>44949473
He doesn't want to change systems, he's looking to get deeper into 3.5

Dark Sun is REALLY cool. Check it out

>>44958487
I always offer warlock as a character choice in my games, even bending the lore and changing around some invocations to fit the mood of the game.

>>44958520
It's a good introduction to the idea of being a caster

My new player went paladin/warlock (lg, let him bend the alignment rules because he was hellbred, and fit the concept.) I let him put his eldritch blast on his sword, so he was dealing like 20 damage a round at level 3. He got hit by a sudden maximized inflict and dropped well below his hp threshold and died. Hellbred can't be raised from the dead without true resurrection or miracle, but I let his mind be copied to a new (crystalline warforged) body. He rerolled stats and then built an aegis/artificer, which takes the things he liked about his character and amplified them (permanent supernatural abilities, high defense, spooky damage with Bane cheese and psychic weapon) with expanded resource management

>>44958613
Honestly, artificer/warlock with a bit of cabinet trickster(if i remember correctly) is one of my favorite mixes.

Never really overshadowed anyone and I was always cranking out things we needed. Not as good as the time I went the srd necromancer/artificer during a king maker like game and kept us alive with undead minion guards and labor.

Anyone got any house rules for 35 they want to share?

Thread has not died yet and the complainers have pretty much moved on.

>>44959072
Use spell points. The ability to tune your magic is cool. Grant an item which charges and heals the party and recharges their spell points as a minute long ritual.

>>44949261
<this, plus the complete books and whatever others you can grab. Don't let artificers in, play with the new classes, enjoy a fun and balanced 3.5 in a way the PHB classes are definitely not.

>>44959093
That in unearthed arcana?

I plain out stole two things for some of the non spell caster classes I saw a while back and something from pathfinder.

One was what I gave to all but rogues, barbarians and spell casters.

You have three stances you can assume as a free action but last the rest of the encounter.

Offense: Gain a bonus to hit and damage while this stance. At higher levels, get a longer reach and threaten areas as if one size larger.

Defense: AC bonus while moving no more than 10ft a round. Higher levels get DR/5 when moving up to or less than your basic move.

Freedom: Gain +10 to move speed in light armor. Later on gain the benefit of haste for rounds equal to 1/2 level.

Other thing I gave to fighters was the weapon mastery and familiarity stuff their fighters got and their HD goes to 12, along with skill points going to 4+int and spot is added to their skill list.

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on a related note, where to buy 3.5 books in europe? I can't find them anywhere, only in the US, and postage from US is rape.

>>44959308
If you have any chain book stores, they started selling reprints at place like barnes and nobles and booksamillion.

You can always use the ultimate SRD that's made the runs around /tg/ a few times and declare bedlam with anything goes.

>>44952638
If they're having fun, why stop them?

>>44949006
Mouseguard.

3.5 is no worse than any other edition of D&D and GURPS sucks.

>>44959652
We moved on from the war, friend.

Now we are talking about house rules.

>>44957243
>>44957282
I like pathfinder as well

>>44959652

It is strictly worse than 4e, though, MMO memes be damned.