New player red flags.

>>44906289
A big red flag I feel is when someone appears to be going against the tone of the group/what the group is considering to be fun, so Not Cena might be a concern if everyone is going for a more serious game and he's being overly comical/memeish. Edgy guy might be a concern in the opposite direction. the other two seem reasonable enough for now (and really the first ones might not be a problem depending on how they are played.)

Possibly trying to fudge stats is definitely a concern though, it means he's likely going to be focused solely on what he wants to do and is going to bend and lawyers rules until it is done.

>>44906289
Red flags

> CN allingment
> kender race
> anime is referenced at all
>waifu is mentioned
>"my character is gay"
>" I already rolled my stats"
> "can I use a katana?"
> " my character was raped"
> " my tribe/family/(x) was murdered!"
>" I want to play a druid "
> "catgirl"
>" I am half(anything)"

Any of the above, and they'll ruin a group.

>>44908013
I agreen with this anons analysis.

I think its worth mentioning that rules lawyers in my experience are far more poisonous than memesters. If he wants to powergame it will fuck with everyone who isnt him.

>>44906289
fudging stats guy. definitely fudging stats guy.
If you're going to fudge stats and then argue with the GM about his sheet it's only going to get worse as the game continues
Also the real reason every reputable system went pointbuy a couple editions back.

Nothing in the rest of the group strikes me as being trouble as long as the players are reasonable, or at least coordinate their horrible behavior with each other.

>my character doesn't speak
>my character doesn't have a name
>my character has a giant scar on his face

>>44908181
>"my character is gay"
Hey now, the most broest players I've played with had a gay cleric. There was a romantic sub plot with the bard. It was cute.


>" I am half(anything)"
How the fuck else can I play an orc paladin?

>>44908181
Mate, what is wrong with druids?

>>44908190
Seconding this anon SO MUCH. Every real problem player I've had in a game is a rules lawyer to a greater or lesser extent (usually greater. much greater). Purely chaotic stupid players tend to isolate themselves out of the game assuming everyone else has their head screwed on straight, but the powergamers in my experience tend to be attention-hogging shitlords that will go to great lengths to make the game about themselves and their accomplishments, and will run over any other player that gets in the way of their path to glory.

>>44908316
If they point out that they have a gay character, they're looking to erp or make some fagdrama.
Every.fucking.time.

>>44908377
They don't play nature lovers anymore.
Other than that, nothing.

Last 10 players I saw that picked druid, were the most un-nature living fucks you can picture.

So, I put them on my list.

>>44906289
>My biggest red flag is he tried to first join in with stats I didn't see him role with two 18s and lowest stat at 13 and I had to argue with him to have a copy of his sheet with his excuse being it's all gonna be on his laptop and I could look at it whenever I wanted.
This is a triple red flag, ejected from game, league sanctions imminent kind of thing. Even ignoring lolrollingstats, he's trying to get in with stats that aren't even close to likely and he's trying to hide his sheet which means he's going to cheat. It's not even a question. He. Will. Cheat. Also his name is so edgelord mctrenchcoat that it's nearly as good of a guarantee that he's gonna try some dumbshit "look how dark and evil my character is" ct that will likely kill the game at that moment.

>>44908417
Really? I honestly just like 75% of my characters queer and just because it's interesting to me and it only really came up as important like twice.

Also, the fuck is wrong with drama? Drama is important for stories, and roleplaying is collective storytelling. And ERP is rad if everyone's up for it.

>>44906289

My personal red flags:

> any alignments except neutral and good aligned
> playing a system with alignment in general
> playing kender, dragonborn, tieflings, or any other edgelord race including drow
> female characters played by males
> female players in most instances
> DM's GF / BF / significant other
> anyone with a dead sibling
> people with smaller than average dice
> people who roll their dice out of sight
> people who cheat
> minmaxers / rules lawyers
> GMs who think GM should always be god and never even questioned
> anyone who plays anything from Book of Nine Swords in a 3.5 campaign though that hasn't happened in years
> people who LARP
> people who play or have played World of Darkness.

I have some others but that is most of them.

>>44908190
>I think its worth mentioning that rules lawyers in my experience are far more poisonous than memesters. If he wants to powergame it will fuck with everyone who isnt him.

Rules lawyering and powergaming are two very different things and neither are bad unless taken to extremes.

>>44908457
last time I played druid I was a grove keeper that spent most of his time as a bear.

In character was gruff, and short to the point of active rudeness with most people.

"people make everything too complicated"

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>>44908181
>> CN alignment
Red Flag

>> kender race
Red Flag, conditional on if we're actually playing Dragonlance, but still a likely Red Flag

>> anime is referenced at all
Depends on the degree and animu

>>waifu is mentioned
Waifu-ism is definitely a Red Flag

>>"my character is gay"
Not really, see pic

>>" I already rolled my stats"
In the year of our lord 2000 plus a decade and a six years not using point buy

>> "can I use a katana?"
Red Flag

>> " my character was raped"
Rape being mentioned in general is a Red Flag

>> " my tribe/family/(x) was murdered!"
Not a Red Flag. Revenge for lost loved ones is a classic trope.

>>" I want to play a druid "
Maybe if you are playing the shittiest edition of D&D, otherwise nope.

>> "catgirl"
Furries in general are a Red Flag

>>" I am half(anything)"
Half-Elves, Half-Orcs, and Muls (Half-Dwarves) are fine. The rest can fuck off.

>>44908601
So you're the stereotypical basement-dwelling grognard who hasn't actually gamed face to face since high school, if that. Gotcha.

>>44908538

If everyone is up for it.

IF.

Which would more than likely been established beforehand because you don't just join a new group, sit down at the first session and announce your intention to fist the Paladin.

If you want an ERP game, go find an ERP game, don't sit down at a table with people who want to actually play a game and sulk when nobody wants their characters prostate tickled.

Not everyone wants to spend their every moment of social interaction with others discussing their fetishes.

>>44908316
>How the fuck else can I play an orc paladin?

>"Gubzag faithful servant of Krom. Orc god of justice. Krom law says smack evil man with sword. Many kin evil. Lot of work to do. Text green because orc also green."

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>>44906289
For the most part anime itself isn't a problem, it's the degree of anime they bring to the game.
>Uses an appropriate anime character for his character portrait or token
Sure, that's fine.
>Asks to play a character that is similar to or takes inspiration from an anime character
This is less okay the more shounen the inspiration is, and less okay the closer they want to be to the original.
>Asks to play an anime character. Straight-up, an anime character, from the anime, not an adaptation.
This is not okay.

>>44908728
>Asks to play a character that is similar to or takes inspiration from an anime character

Funny thing is I played a half orc paladin in a campaign and she ended up getting the nickname of "Goku" from the other players OoC because the whole being from an outside culture thing because I had her try to spare villains,with that almost never working out... except for a time where one of them became an on and off informant/ally.

Never tried to make her anime, but she read off as anime as fuck to the other players.

>>44908609
Exceptions exist.

1 bad apple in the barrel, toss it out.
All bad apples except 1 in the barrel? Toss the barrel.

At this point..druids are a red flag to me. 5 or more years ago. Druids were great.

>>44908856
Just screen the player if they bring in a druid.

>>44908181
Holy shit.

I forgot...
>drow race
>anything mentioning twilight
>a harry potter name ( only seen once)
>references a book not on the approved list ( including feats dammit)
>listing a magic item at lv 1 ( family gift)
Also..
>halfling rogue chaotic anything (98% of being a dickass).

>>44908607
They rarely do not go hand in hand

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>>44908838
>half orc paladin Goku

I am the legendary super orc: ally to good, nightmare to you!

>>44908996
Fair to say, " VERY rarely ".

Roc teeth are more common.

>>44909017
This.

Big red flag.

>>44906289
Half-orc sounds like a cool guy. Durid and Cleric sound like they're trying to hard. Tyranius sounds like an edgy special snowflake.

>>44908181
>including feats
Have you tried not playing D&D?

>>44909172
>durrr u try not d&d? Lolololol
>op is asking about d&d

You really should kill yourself.

>>44906289
All of those suck anon.

Try a new group.

>>44908697
>gauntlet of paladin fisting +2

Wut?

>>44908690

Found another redflag

>>44909172
It's scary, but the further away from D&D you go the worse players get. Or at least the lower the acceptable behavior bar gets. The most loathesome players I've ever encountered cluster around dream pod 9 games.

>>44906289
>rolling for stats
For fucks sake why do people still do this

>>44909530
Very true.

3.5 on...and the players get weird.

Here is my list of red flags.

>>44908601

That guy.

>>44909546
Why don't they?

>but but but..another player might have a better stat than me!!!!

Faggot.

>>44909546
Challange, for the most part.

>>44909546
Because randomly generated stats can more frequently show the random aspects of various members of society more than going "10, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18".

Sure, you might get a shit score like 6 or 7 INT, but that's life.

>>44909260
Most of that's fine especialy john and serena

>>44909546
In games with shit point buy.

That is to say, not 5e.

>>44906289
This happened in a game I was playing in, but I was not the GM. We were looking for new players for a "How to Train Your Dragon"-inspired campaign. One dude joined. On the first day, he:

>Asked: Can you have sex with your dragon?
>Would look at fantasy-inspired porn on his computer

Those were two big fuckin' flags

Captcha: 666

>>44908013
In my experience the overly comical ones are only problematic if there are two or three of them. In that case you might be better off actually running a comical game. Otherwise it's entirely dependent on the player's personality. I've had more comic relief players be blessings than curses, but that was because those players were just naturally funny and charismatic. Whereas the problematic player was just a douchebro in real life and brought that to the table.

I agree with your thoughts on overly edgy characters though. It's just been a pain at best and derailing at worst.

>>44908718
>Text green because orc also green.

My sides.

>>44909017
>replace Saiyans with Orcs
Not much changes, really

I have tons of red flags, but the biggest is always:

>Players who try way too hard to make their character a "badass" at fucking level 1. This includes trying to pad out a backstory with things that character has done, making them edgy or loner or anti-cooperative with the party.

>Players who don't try at all, and just make something stupid that's either a bad joke or doesn't fit the tone of the game or the group at all. Usually this is people trying to recreate memes they've seen like "Sir Bearington" or making "Jim Punchington the Monk".

OP here some updated shit about the characters i probably should have mentioned. Cleric is NG Druid is N monk is LN and Rogue is CN. I had a few restrictions which were mostly just no 3rd party shit and you cant be any evil except LE and even then i put down ground rules for it.

As for other red flags so far the only offenses from them that i haven't mentioned.
>All
They have all mentioned liking anime when me and the girl were talking about it although none have mentioned bringing it into the game.
>John Ton Anec
When i asked about his name he was cool about it and offered to change it but wanted to stay as a monk grappler. Told him it was fine just dont be a memer and he agreed. Also smokes but takes it outside and doesn't stink.
>Luna Oaken
Did mention in the background that the hunters tried to rape her after but never got to due to her powers. Wanted a young wolf which would be the pup of the wolves that raised her. I'm thinking of allowing it but it takes up food, water, has low hp, and will be targeted in battle. I haven't told her yes yet however so im still thinking it over.
>Serena Boreesh
Ya its guy playing girl but so far his characters just your run of the mill heal slut cleric. Her tribe wasn't wiped but it lost a major fight and was assimilated. Wanted to start with a relic of her tribe which all in all is just a fancy named wooden mace so im allowing it.
>Tyranius Occisionis
Ended up rolling hilariously low stats and yelling COME ON more than once. Let him reroll two stats because he honestly got shit on by the dice still has second lowest overall stats. To add to edge he wants to wear a mask but it honestly doesn't do much except make his character seem creepier to NPC's.

First session is tomorrow but i still got skype with em open so if anybody thinks i should ask them something specific just say so.

>>44910110
Also we're going medium fantasy semi-serious game. I aint gonna make it grimdark gritty realism type but its not gonna be the type of game where you roll for walking in a doorway and end up walking into a kobold orgy.

>>44908649
Long Live The Bear!

>player wants to make his character "insane" and "random"

I fucking hate these players. More than edgelords. At least with edgelords they can get hilariously cheesy. lol so random players are just annoying and when you try to talk to them they claim you're railroading when I'm just pointing out that they wouldn't gel well with the party and the party would end up abandoning him or killing him for stealing/attacking another player.

>>44910110
Why would there be a problem with the druid having a wolf animal companion? Just use small dog stats if she wants it to be more like a pup. Are you using a different edition than 3.5?

>>44910296
A huge red flag to me is if anybody says.
>I randomly do (action)!

>>44910342
Sometimes when the party is in my character's hometown, he'll aimlessly wander around the poor part of town, where he grew up, and just remember. I mention this only in passing and don't derail the game for it, and I think I used the word "randomly" to suggest that he doesn't pay much attention to which turns he makes because he knows the area like the back of his hand and can't get lost there.

I should quit games forever.

>>44908649
Catgirls, neko shonen, etc. Are anime, not furry. I've never had a player try one, but I usually make it a point that the slightest hint of stereotypical anime cliches are forbidden before character creation starts.

If you aren't dragging fetish fuel into the game I don't see the problem. If you have players taking their fetishes into the game, you already failed to cull them as players before they started, unless it was discussed prior to the game that the setting would range there.

In short, make your players aware of the scope of the game, and be weary of those that blatantly try to break out of it. Bending the idea, and the scope of it will evolve over time naturally. Those that try to change it and rush the problem will continue to be thorns in your side.

>>44910409
I meant it more so they say randomly to reinforce the fact they have no reason to do this and are doing it to be random for example.
>I randomly punch the barmaid in the boob lol!

>>44910445
>The barmaid slaps you in surprised self-defense.
>Unfortunately, she's also carrying a tankard in that hand. Take 3 damage.

>>44910506
>Wait she damaged me? I pull out my short sword and kill her! Randomly!

>>44910506
>not rolling

>not saying it was a crit

>not "confirming" the crit

>not dealing max damage and causing something like a broken jaw or concussion

Pls.

>>44906289

>Not Cena
It's probably just a "clever" name, maybe some character inspiration. Probably not a big deal; might even be funny to get the occasional wrestler joke.

>Luna Oaken
Probably just a person still in the phase where every character's backstory has to include everyone dying except her and fighting her way out. If she plays her character like a snowflake, keep an eye on it.

>Sereena Boreesh
This actually is a pretty good character concept. Like that Star Trek TNG episode "Suddenly Human". She may have a fun character arc where you have them encounter a surviving group of her tribe - she has to decide what matters more to her - the family she grew up with or her blood relatives.

>Tyranius Occisionis
>Tyrant Slaughter
>"I rolled my stats where you couldn't see them, and I got two 18s and nothing below a 13"
>You, the DM, cannot look at my character sheet
>human variant
>rogue
>edgy everything

Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Don't let him in. At this rate, don't let him in with *any* character. He is a cheater. Even if you make him roll his stats in front of you, he's going to cheat in every other way. He will lie about rules. He will stack things you can't stack. He will take two bonus actions a turn. It is not your job to make sure he doesn't cheat on every fucking turn.

>>44908181
>CN alignment
Potential red flag.
>kender race
I'd never play Dragonlance and why the hell would I put them in any other session? I'd assume they were joking. If serious, red flag.
>anime is referenced at all
If the player can't rephrase the concept not to require me to have seen an anime series (even one I've seen) to get it, that's a red flag. If the character derails the game to talk about anime or insists their character should be allowed to do something because it's in an anime, red flag. If they just mention three or four sessions in that they enjoy some anime series, no problem.
>"my character is gay"
Depends on context. Generally, I think it's fine, but I'm left-leaning as fuck.
>"I already rolled my stats"
New player? No way. Had the player a while? They can roll if other players are present as witnesses and I know them not to be prone to cheating.
>"can I use a katana?"
Depends on the setting.
>"my character was raped"
Probably not. I play tabletop RPGs at least partly for escapism. It's not a red flag for the player, but that's not something I want in my adventure stories, at least not prominently.
>"my tribe/family/(x) was murdered!"
If it was their first character I'd be wary. If they'd been fine in the past it seems like a fine backstory.
>"I want to play a druid"
If it fits the setting, fine.
>"catgirl"
Probably not.
>"I am half(anything)"
What's wrong with half-elves and half-orcs?
>>44908973
>drow race
Yeah, probably not.
>anything mentioning twilight
Never had this one happen.
>a harry potter name
Never had that either.
>references a book not on the approved list
Playing 5e presently so that's less of an issue.
>listing a magic item at lv 1
Not without permission
>halfling rogue chaotic anything
I'd keep my eye on them but not a red flag.

>Tyranius Occisionis
Ended up rolling hilariously low stats and yelling COME ON more than once. Let him reroll two stats because he honestly got shit on by the dice still has second lowest overall stats. To add to edge he wants to wear a mask but it honestly doesn't do much except make his character seem creepier to NPC's.

Oh my god kick him already. Rolling poorly is disappointing but getting angry is a red flag. The mask is just icing on the red cake here. He's going to fudge his rolls even more - he's going to lie about his total modifiers and refuse to let you check his sheet.

>>44910531
>Unfortunately, the barmaid wins initiative.
>She, uh... hits you.
>Ow. She confirms a crit.
>Let me get out my critical hit tables.
>Triple multiplier, apparently that stacks with the reroll... and that comes to...
>Well, dumping Constitution may not have been the best idea you ever had.
>Who's your character's next of kin?
>Wait, I think she gained a level from that.
>Do you want her to be your new character?

>>44910665
To be fair, I rolled and got nothing above a 10 before racial modifiers before, and I was pretty pissed about it.

Context, anon.

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>be a gay furry porn artist
>invite some friends to play a D&D B/X campaign
>they all come up with furry characters
>with backgrounds fitting for an ERP
>tfw i wanted to play a simple dungeon crawling session in Mystara without sex.

I'll keep a permanent red flag for furries until they prove themselves otherwise

>>44910735
Maybe it's less that they're furries and more that they're furries who know you primarily for porn.

>>44910696
I'm gonna have to use that as my backstory for my next character

>>44908181
>Kenatachi
>Male Half kender/half catgirl
>Looks like Ichigo with cat ears and 3 feet tall
>Druid
>Wields a katana made of wood
>His family and boyfriend and waifu was raped and murdered, but they didn't finish the job with him, so he's back with a vengeance.
>He's also got 3 18s, but don't worry, I rolled them ahead of time, it's legit.

Think I nailed them all.

>>44906289
>John Ton Anec

FULL SPEED AHEAD.

>>44910589
>twilight reference

1 time only.

>Skype with webcams
>playing a 3.5 game
>two joined up. A couple. Their text and email look fine. Nothing odd.
>send me their sheets..

She was (class), a noble sorcerer with wings. Named Bella DaVann. She uses twin katanas and a bow.

He was ( class), A fighter of Bella. Using a Large silver ax, and dual pistols. His name was Edward DaVann.

I asked if they'd ever played before..
>oh yea bro, lots of times.

I couldn't even start to correct them. My head was full of 53billion fucks.

>>44910044
To be fair, this was originally supposed to be the case. At level 1, a fighter was a seasoned veteran. At level 5, he was badass enough to have a following of henchmen.

>>44910735
>my friends know I draw gay furry porn.
This is the fate you chosen for yourself, mate, live with it.

>>44910808
Omg.
kek

>>44908190
Complaining about rules lawyers and power gamers are the biggest red flag for GMs. If they have a problem with players knowing the rules of the game and being good at it, it tells me that they're assholes who don't want rules to get in the way of their power trips.

>>44909172
Why would I want to try not playing D&D, when the players of other games seem to be autistic fanboys who preach about how bad D&D is every time someone mentions it?

>>44910044
>Players who try way too hard to make their character a "badass" at fucking level 1. This includes trying to pad out a backstory with things that character has done,
Whenever I account for badassery past tense, whether as a player or a DM, I treat the power as recursive. How else do you explain an elven wizard spending two centuries studying to get to level one and then suddenly after two months traveling he's level three?
The leveling system is odd in any case.
I do agree you shouldn't be able to kill a dragon or something like that in any way other than sheer luck before you get to level one.

>>44909546
Because grognardery. Rolling stats is the way they used to do it, so that is the way they must always do it.

>>44911104
>recursive
I mean retroactive.

>>44908601
>> any alignments except neutral and good aligned
>> playing a system with alignment in general
>> playing kender, dragonborn, tieflings, or any other edgelord race including drow
>> anyone with a dead sibling

Welp, guess you wouldn't like my Out of the Abyss character.

>>44909530
>It's scary, but the further away from D&D you go the worse players get.

I'm doubtful of that, senpai. I could see WoDers being on par with D&Ders in terms of autism but all non-D&Ders? Nah.

>>44909224
Op is asking about D&D but he/you were bitching about 3rd party D&D splats with overpowered feats. It's his/your fault for running a system with broken, overpowered, third-party feats.

>>44910110
>Liking anime, any anime at all, is red flag

This is a red flag to me that you're probably a shit GM.

>>44906289
>John
Will play autistically and turn everything into a joke. He will ruin your group.

>Luna
All the thirsty nerds will turn everything into a joke to try to impress her. She will also get special snowflake treatment from everyone for the same reason. Nothing wrong with a girl in your group, if your mates are cool though (unlikely). Her origin story is shit, but it won't ruin the game.

>Serena
Playing as a girl could be a red flag about his personality but it won't ruin your game.

>Tyranius
He is a cheater and an edgelord. He will ruin your group.

>>44909627
Keep in mind though that PCs aren't just your average members of society,

Right from level 1 they at least stand out enough to be notable in their community, and just get stronger from there.

>>44911263
Even the extraordinary heroes have some statistical problems here and there. Hercules was dim and slow to pick up on social cues. Achilles was also socially inept. Anansi was wise, but frailer compared to everyone around him. Tyr had one hand.

>>44911210
I got no problem with anime i just saw it was mentioned as a red flag and we happened to all have watched anime at one time or another.

>>44911127

It might also help that starting stats are, in general, lower in 5e, since you can't point buy higher than 15. Characters aren't weaker necessarily, because the maximum of 20 is there and you work towards it, but they *feel* weaker if they don't have that 18 right goddamn now.

But it's just not that big a deal. I rolled stats in front of my new GM for an r20 game - I got 18 13 13 11 9 8, but with some clever arranging and race pick in doing really well. Best Paladin I've ever played.

>>44910808
My God...it's beautiful...

>>44911223
John Ton Anec is the deepest character of the bunch, bro.

>>44906289
If they smell/look like they haven't showered, that's a red flag.
If they bring up their fetishes within 15 minutes, that's a red flag.
If they're the type of person to stir up controversy, AND ALSO the type of person that cannot handle dissent, then that's a red flag. (This includes SJWs, but is not limited to them)

>>44911210
Well, it's an issue of no matter where you go, and what rock you turn, you can find another D&D player. So as a player/GM you don't need to tolerate shit just to get or keep a group together. Whereas if you want a more niche game the four players you find might be the four players who play the game regularly at all. And they'll excuse a lot more crap from their fellow players just to have someone else to game with.

I will admit that my experiences are my own and limited, and I have had some amazingly bad experiences with niche players.

But WoDers are objectively worse then the Dee and Dee crowd, and this is from someone who's had a lot of fun in the few VtM games I've been in. Because WoDers often larp, and larpers are arguably the worst fan base in gaming. Pretty much every gaming convention within screaming distance of where I live has banned larpers from their cons, because the staff (con and hotel alike) won't tolerate the level of harrassment and vandalism larpers seem to think is acceptable. We shouldn't have to keep a couple cop cars and an ambulance on site just to clean up when larpers start cutting up each other and breaking into hotel rooms.

>>44911947
No fetish shit so far but again Serena is more or less tamed feral lady being played by male but it could be nothing magic realm related. They all smell fine John sometimes smells like smoke but its not noticeable usually and Tyranius smells very faintly of subway sandwiches or something similar but i dont notice unless im right up to him.

>>44908538
Kill urself

>>44908973
>approved list
>having an approved list of books
If a player makes you need to do this, that's a massive red flag already.

>>44908649
The sorc seems really cool, I'd like to run a campaign with him.

>>44912190
I assume this person is talking about 3.5 and only wants things that fit their specific game tonally. Since 3.5 has at least 100 splats, it may be necessary to make a list.

>>44908601
>anyone who plays anything from Book of Nine Swords in a 3.5 campaign though that hasn't happened in years
>people who LARP
>people who play or have played World of Darkness.
Started out questionable but damn did you end on a bait note.

>>44912216
Why not just say "anything that seems unusual, check with me first?

>>44910589
>If it was their first character I'd be wary. If they'd been fine in the past it seems like a fine backstory.
Sounds fair

>>44906289
OP again. Ive asked them some more general questions and have allowed Serenas wolf and she understands that she actually has to take care of it and that its not much in combat.

Questions were.
Relatives?
>John Father left at young age took up fighting to keep family (mother and sister) afloat took a fall to secure money and regrets it to this day has vowed to not take the easy way out of fights and to rematch the one man who beat him in the ring.
>Luna Wolf parents dead doesn't know or care about real parents considers wolf pup as a brother.
>Serena Father and brother died fighting the religious people. Her and her mother assimilated and living relatively happily in his words.
>Tyranius Orphan after parents assassinated for a reason he doesn't know. Never made friends as his character never saw a point used to be a merc for money reasons.

Thoughts of companions or friends?
>John If they show loyalty and respect to me i will show them the same. His charactor knowing what its like to be poor also is charitable and shares all his stuff with companions if they need it.
>Luna Raised by wolves and sees them as a pack and as such is very loyal and caring but wouldn't give her stuff away to even them without good reason.
>Serena New gods teachings makes her act kind to others even if not deserving is also in his words not used to being around large groups of people or not constantly being watched over by another person of authority and will probably be awkward around them or stay quiet till later.
>Tyranius Trusts nobody will not share and cares about money. Thankfully he said he would never steal from the group however as that's wrong to his character.

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>>44912544
It all sounds good, but...
>loyalty and respect
Pic related.

>>44912544
Continued
Why are you traveling with this group?
>John I want to be around people that im proud to call my friends and are proud to have me there. I also believe adventuring is fun and will sharpen my fighting skills.
>Luna Being pack-less and forced out of my forest i looked for the strongest group and hope to gain companionship through them also i know that alone i probably cant keep my brother safe.
>Serena I don't always understand what my god wants me to do but bringing enlightenment and healing to others i understand at least so i want to travel with a group to keep me safe as i spread the word of god and keep those close to me alive and healthy.
>Tyranius I plan to be rich and powerful and traveling with this group i think will help me accomplish those goals while also netting me powerful allies or underlings.

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>>44906289
Player is female.

Prove me wrong.

>>44912880
I've known some cool female players, but they're older women who play with their kids.

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>>44912880
>player is transgender.

>>44910735
Half of my friends know me for this, the others don't, and hate that stuff a lot. Why did I put myself in this weird middling hell of potential bad endings?

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>>44908181
>>44908601

and here i though /tg/ was only full of annoying reddit faggots

good lists lads

>>44910839
Yes, level 1 fighter was a veteran. He could have hirelings at level 1 if he could afford the wages (porters, men-at-arms, orcs, dorfs, elves, ogres, dragons, etc...). Charisma modified number of "unusual" henchmen, regardless of level ("mostly free", leveled fighters, magic-users, clerics, thieves, dragons, etc.). At level 8 he was a bad enough dude to own a castle, if he could afford it.

My list of red flags

>Hey GM, can I use "Third Party Supplement"

>Having a character with no name.

>"I just can't get into character tonight"

>I'm a half anything except elf or orc

>Can I get "Powerful magical item" at start? I won't get any other equipment.

>Immediately murder hoboing everything

>Molesting and or raping everything

>Being edge la edge for no reason

>Not having any backstory

>"I'm going to use my laptop/phone for my character sheet" (I should state I allow laptops at my table for checking PFSRD, but I ban them if players get to distracted.

>Can I use "X" template?

>>44913163
If you're playing Pathfinder, there's a good chance those third party supplements are much more balanced and better designed than first-party shit. Why not give it a chance?

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>>44908649
>catgirl
Mostly anime shit

>Furries in general are a Red Flag

(???)

because the internet says so?

>>44912640
I don't see the three of them being that bad honestly, but everything about Tyranius reeks of him being a shithead. I get the feeling he plans on using the other PC's like NPC's further down the line. Let him play but keep him on a short leash, and if he starts to cause shit/shit on the other PC's then get rid of him.

>>44913223
I usually allow dreamscarred press, this was more of an issue back when we played 3.5

Regardless said player who usually asks is an incredibly autistic powergamer who tends to throw tantrums, so I keep him on a short leash.

>>44910546
>>Tyrant Slaughter
Actually, closer to "King Freedom"

>>44913227
Furries are a red flag because if it comes up at the table and the played brings it up, he's pushing his fetish on everyone. I'm a furry, and the only people who know about it are a couple of close friends. I don't bring it up, and it doesn't come up. But if a player is bringing up furry stuff, he's pushing it on other players. The loudest minority gives everyone else a bad rap.

>>44913374
>occisionis
>genitive singular of occisio
>n. "massacre, slaughter, murder"
He is literally the tyrant of slaughter.

>>44913399
This is true, but what if a player wants to play "insert furry race here" like a khajiit or something, I wouldn't call it a red flag if he doesnt shove up sex or more furry shit.

>>44913492
I got severely fucked up on Occisionis. You're correct, it means slaughter. Tyrannus isn't necessarily a tyrant though. It originally just meant 'monarch.'

>>44913519
Well I generally know my players, and they don't let the ERP get beyond being a bit silly, so if the race was a legit race in my setting I would be fine with it. That being said, it really depends on the setting and tone of the game, if he pushed it after I said no then that's when the red flags start popping up.

>>44913227
W-what are hymies?

>>44913531
True, but king is better written as rex.

>>44913062
A few non-faggots are still here m8.

>>44906289
>>Tyranius Occisionis
quick google translate would reveal it to be roughly as Tyrant of Slaughter. your suspicions are founded

I'm in a group where everyone else is playing a Red Flag character. They are:
>catgirl ninja
>blatant furry insert
>DEUS VULT ALL DAY EVERY DAY

Just to balance that shit out I made the biggest possible anti-Red-Flag. He's literally just a commoner with terrible stats and a backpack with whatever magic items the GM feels like giving me to move the plot forward.

>>44913545
I also want to know...

>>44913545
>>44913602
I don't know, but let's say they're people who believe hymens should be left intact.

>>44913545
>>44913602
>>44913618
Apparently it's a slur for Jews.

>>44913618
Yes it sounds legit

>>44911010
Powergaming rules-lawyer detected

>>44906289
Luna is very deep into the snowflake territory. Make sure they don't push themselves into the 'main character roll'. Same goes for the stats fudger.

>>44910044
Just once, I'd like to see a level 1 'badass' with something that actually justifies their low level.

Maybe the monk got horribly wounded and has spent the last year or three recovering, so his physique and skills have atrophied.

Or a wizard tried doing shit way above his capabilities and burnt out his ability to cast magic, so now he's a level 1 rogue trying to get by.

>>44913163
I forgot a few

>Characters who's names are puns

>Characters who's abilities all lead up to a bad joke or pun

>Characters who are one shot concepts like, "I want to be a landshark." without thinking stuff through.

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>tfw that guy
>tfw killed every RPG group I've been in so far
>tfw realize this now

>>44913906
Well then, try and make active steps to not be that guy next time you play. Try thinking if your character concept and roleplaying are adding to the groups enjoyment or detracting to it. Its easy to be that guy, its hard to be a member of a team of people trying to tell a story and have fun.

>>44908601
>anyone with a dead sibling

Kek

>>44913906
Well anon, acknowledging you have a problem is the first step to not doing it.

OP here again
John Not Cena confirmed bro with offers of bringing pizza and giving rides but we're goin to a local game shop so we cant bring outside food if we wanna rent a table. I got about half an hour before im actually off so if anybody thinks i should ask another question to em all post it.

>>44914016
How do I stop arguing with shit DM's? I mean, skeletons appear everybody is instantly in close combat isn't exactly my idea of fun.

>>44906289
>special snowflake territory with her half-elf druid raised by wolves and killing the hunters who killed said wolves at 12.
Maybe I've just been away from /tg/ for too long, but this sounds like a pretty bog-standard druid backstory to me.

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One of my backup characters has a katana, but he's just a samurai crab who washed up on a distant shore, far from his not-Japan homeland. He doesn't teleport behind people or anything.

>>44914051
Find another DM.

>>44912295
Seeming unusual isn't the only problem with the 3.5 splats. When you're dealing with rulesets between 5 different books, there are bound to be exploits just because it's impossible to balance that much content.

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>>44914081
If it's not too serious of a game, I could get behind this.

>>44914085
This is the best answer.

>>44908246
What if they speak sign language, or have taken a monastic vow of silence, or both?

>>44914131
It's high octane, goose-hydra fighting, battering ram throwing, explosive-lightning shooting, over the top action. And I'll never play it because these fucks flaked so many times that the GM gave up hope.

>>44908538
You sound like someone I would not want at my table.

>>44914137
Then they took a bunch of shitty vows for literally the shittiest class. I mean, I get the idea of the vows but they are worded so poorly and they give so little benefit that I can't see why anyone would take them, nor would I let them at my table unless they were an incredibly good roleplayer.

>>44910110
They actually sound pretty play-with-able.

>>44908457
I guess that's fair. I love everything about druids, but enough sour experiences can kill it for a person. For me it is owning a space ship.

>>44912913
I've had a transgender player. The only issue I've had with them was that they have a shitty work schedule that constantly changes. Then again, they're still "in the closet" about it. I only found out because myself and a few others were accidentally(?) CC'd a conversation about it while that person was piss drunk.

>>44914299
>For me it is owning a space ship.
I sense interesting context.

And also that you will never play Traveller.

>>44914319
Or Rouge Trader

>>44908417
I made a gay Wizard a few years ago. Literally didn't come up until ten sessions in when the party was getting collectively seduced by a Succubus. Up to that point I hadn't indicated his sexuality in any way, so when he calmly told the Succubus "Sorry, I don't swing that way." it was somewhat of a surprise. Later on the GM tried to introduce a male NPC love interest for my character, who basically responded to his advances with "Maybe after we're done, you know, saving the kingdom." I then told the GM I wasn't interested in pursuing any further romance and that was the end of that.

In my opinion the sexuality of a character doesn't matter one bit. Straight, gay, bi, trans, asexual, or whatever you call it, the only thing that matters is whether they go out of their way to draw attention to their sexuality. If they do so, and it's not an ERP game to start with, then they're being a jerk and need to stop. It's honestly no different than someone else insisting on describing their character's toenails five times a session, or insisting on describing their character bathing. It's irrelevant to the story at hand and bringing it up is just wasting everybody's time.

Stating that your character is gay when they're getting seduced is relevant. Describing how your tits fill out your character's blouse during normal conversation is not. Learn the difference, cut out the pointless details, and keep the game moving.

>>44909546
Because people are fucking stupid, that's why!

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>>44914365
Thank god somebody else feels this way.

I also think this applies to real life, if you are gay and trans and the first thing out of your mouth is, "My name is X and I am gay/trans." then its clear your entire identity is incredibly wrapped up in your sexuality. I don't need to know what your preferences are, I don't introduce myself by saying I'm straight. The few trans and gay people I like generally don't even bring up the fact unless it's relevant to the conversation.

Dictating what other people do. Only had it once, but I had someone join and try to RP like "I give you this shovel, and then you dig a hole with it." like, she wasn't telling them to dig a hole. She was actually trying to take control of their character and dig the hole as that character. It was weird.

>>44914107
If your players are going for exploits, that's another sort of problem.

>>44914319
>>44914348
I have never played Traveler. But I play a lot of Rogue Trader. Just that no one plays the actual Rogue Trader. It's really not that interesting. It's just that I have never had a group that can have one person own something or have any kind of authority over the others. It started in a Star Wars game where someone stole a ship that they proceeded to use for the group. It quickly devolved into "hurrdurr this is my ship" and other petty squabbles. I don't like to tell my players they wouldn't do that, since obviously they just did. I try my damndest to discourage the shit though.

You can only imagine how bad the Rogue Trader can be. And these are always groups among friends. So now the captain/owner is an npc, or the ship is jointly owned by the group.

I also have problems with someone wanting to be the "leader" and trying to through his charismatic weight around to get the party to do what he wants, or someone else bitching that one person calls the shots (even though they can't think of anyone better). So I need to have a long talk with everyone and be absolutely certain everyone understands all the npcs are equal.

Without fail everyone bitches about something though. I do my best and I always make sure to talk with the players if I feel like something needs to change. If we agree on action and they don't hold their end of the bargain I need to do something possibly "That GM" like to get it done by force.

>>44912544
>Tyranius Orphan after parents assassinated for a reason he doesn't know. Never made friends as his character never saw a point used to be a merc for money reasons.

Oh I am laffin.

>>44911127
fucking weenie

>>44912544
Not Cena sounds pretty fun in my opinion.

>>44912640
Tyranius sounds like the typical edgelord I don't want to deal with.

>>44912880
I play with a woman and it's quite enjoyable.

>>44913592
Did you name you PC Krillin?

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>rape in backstory
>half x / half y / half z and other assorted template stacking
>elaborate backstory detailing heroic accomplishments when we're starting at level 1 (or system equivalent)
>sentient animal companion that is clearly supposed to be the 'cute mascot'
>bunch of nobodies (low level PCs) suddenly have an audience with royalty/national leadership
>uses classes and abilities from some obscure splat that's either useless or ridiculously OP
>calls someone a nigger

>>44914449
I recently had a new player come up to me between sessions and say "As you probably guessed I'm gay, so I want you to have gay NPCs that are positive role models and not offensive." First of all, I wasn't planning to have sexuality involve in my campaign, and his pre-emptive statement makes it clear he doesn't trust me as a GM. Second, the guy doesn't know I'm trans, nobody in my group does since my last group bailed after the GM found out and kicked me. So, while he's describing the persecution and shit he's had to deal with I'm thinking "Oh, YOU think you have it bad, what with the harassment you get after DECLARING YOUR SEXUAL PREFERENCES TO YOUR GROUP. Some of us have to keep our shit secret or risk it getting spread out on social media and getting fired and/or murdered, but clearly YOU are the one with the bigger problem here."

>>44914667
Player entitlement: not even once...

>>44909627
Not everyone is suited to be an adventurer. The dude who rolled straight <10 except for that one 12 which he probably put in Intelligence or Wisdom understands this.

"Hey, you want to go on an adventure?"
"Fuck no, man. I'd die immediately! Oh, the bar is hiring someone to sweep up! I'm all about that."

>>44913865
I'm always a fan of that. Once an epic hero, now a drunk, beaten, broke, "I used to be a contender" loser. The campaign is his training montage back to his prime.

>>44910808
I am totally going to play an oriental druid with a bokken now.

>>44910414
What if it's a catgirl who is not a stereotypical anime cliche?

or a kender who actually has enough common sense not to steal from party?

>>44914642
Nope, and calling him Krillin would be PRAISE, good sir. He is incompetent at every conceivable level. He has no combat training, can't take a hit, has no useful skills, and no resources - everything he owns is either in his backpack or he's wearing it. The backpack is not a character quality, it's a plot device. The party could always kill him and take the bag but unfortunately for them all of its contents are extremely cursed and only my character knows how to use them without suffering a gruesome fate.

He exists as a kind of counterweight to the party, the yin to their yang. And, by god, I think he's working. Every since I introduced him the party has been mellowing out and becoming less terrible. Maybe seeing the world through the perspective of someone powerless has given these players (and their characters) better insight into the nature of adventuring and, perhaps, even power itself.

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>>44913062
>complain about Reddit faggots
>post 40kid animu shit

>>44906289
>Not Cena
-At best, funny self-aware guy
-At worst, plays character for gimmick for two sessions, then gets bored

>Wolfwolf mcWolf
-At best, player who really gets into RP
-At worst, will drag the spotlight

>Wololo
-At best, character with interesting internal conflict and foil to leman russ
-At worst, muh waifu

>Donte "Ow the edge" Coldsteel
-At best, miracle happens and he leaves the game before it starts
-At worst, exactly what you'd expect from such a character.

>>44914667
>Some of us have to keep our shit secret or risk it getting spread out on social media and getting fired and/or murdered
What the fuck
Do you live in Russia or something

>>44914787
They don't exist.

>>44908690
Yeah no kidding.

>>44914917
The second one is just a Marak kender.

>>44914900
You can get fired for being trans in North America. They won't SAY it's because you're trans, but they'll still do it and their lawyers are bigger and badder than yours. Taking them to court is futile even if you can afford it. Trans people are also frequently targeted and attacked, even killed, because of who they are. They're by nature more visible than gay or lesbian individuals because, well, if you're not good at passing and you're mid transition then everyone will notice.

If you don't believe me, head to /lgbt/ and ask around, or look up some news articles.

>>44914917

They do actually. We had a catman monk in urban campaign and he was cool, despite a standard backstory of "dude who joined underground fighting ring to raise money for orphanage".
He ended up separating from the party and joining BBEG's mafia organization, taking over it in the epilogue.

>>44912544
Not Cena is the character I usually aspire to make. Some bad jokes involved in creation, then make legitimate character off of the jokes. Usually I fuck up and my characters too jokey, but I play with chill people.

>>44915026
That guy.

That's not "cool" anon.

>>44914799
Interesting solution. I'm gonna remember this if I ever have the same issues.

Your entire party is filled with Red Flags.

Choo-choo! You're on the train to Fagtown.

>>44915058
Nah, it was all handled IC, not OOC. And he stayed on relatively good terms with the party (Maybe with a bit of bitterness towards our second martial artist, who dropkicked him through a house for not being a friend of justice). Besides, at that point in the campaign our mafia leader BBEG was more concerned with second BBEG than with getting rid of us.

But yeah, context is everything when it comes to characters

>>44911010
This.
So often do I find GMs that play a system they don't understand, and then they don't have any clue about the implications of the system.

In DnD, things do not stay in the realm of "normal humans" for long.
Characters can hit 70+ DC skill checks on take 10s in certain skills before level 8.
They then balk at characters doing things that are inhuman.

All while you can fit a medium sized creature through a hole the size of another medium sized creature's asshole with DC80 acrobatics, or run across water on DC90 balance.

When you insist that your character can do these things the rulebooks say they can, they get huffy.

Gms who don't know the system and don't understand the bonuses and buffs given out and their consequences, or the level of play the game occurs on are absolutely not fit to GM, and they should realize this.

Instead, they halfass their understanding, give out buffs they don't understand, and then when you try to do what your character can absolutely do, they haven't planned for it and whine.

>>44915201
I remember when I took over DMing and the our token veteran player was doing shit I never knew was possible, merely because there was so much shit to memorize I couldn't possibly get it all.

I just shrugged and let him do it, then put it to memory. If the rules allow, and I haven't already put some fiat out to deny it, it's fair game.

Of course once they do it the enemy winds up doing it as well. And I don't allow things that would absolutely break the game at the moment should I realize the implications, then I just give them advantage on the next three rolls for teaching me something I didn't know already.

>>44910696
>>44910780
After getting slapped on the ass one too many times, humble barmaid discovered the strength of BARBARIAN RAGE

>>44915343
Better than half the backstories my players come up with.

>>44914900
Pardon me, but is there something wrong with us finding those deviations disgusting and not wanting them anywhere in our country?

>>44912544
>>44912640
First three sound perfectly fine.
Edgelord is bad with a rare blink of acceptability.

Boot him or make it clear that Cena is allowed to PVP and break his spine if he starts shit.

>>44913906
What did you do anon?

>>44914497
>>44914299
Yeah, you could've been more clear by generalising the flag to "claiming solitary ownership of the group's base of operations"

>>44914365
>Stating that your character is gay when they're getting seduced is relevant.
It may be seen as attempting to lolnope out of an obstacle though.
Thus the conundrum whether saying "My character is gay, but I'm not going to make a big deal out of it" is making a big deal out of it.

>>44914449
>trans declaring themselves on first contact
That pretty much only happens if they're in early transitioning and still seem like their assigned sex and want to be referred to properly. It's a pretty hard period to be in so I try to be lenient.

If they declare as "I'm trans" and not as "I'm gender" in an online nonvoice game, that's a flag though.

>>44906289
>thay haven't done their character sheet by the time the game should start, when they had a week's time to do so.
>they want to play a brooding lone wolf
>they want to play a character who's likeable, with big tits and a ton of charisma
>they say they want to play a "shota"/"loli" instead of a "boy"/"girl"
>they want to play a banned race/class/archetype
>they tell you their sexuality when you didn't ask
>they throw a fit when they can't play what they want
>they want to make a character who is evil in a good party and who you can see actively going against the group in-game
>in an online campaign, they ask to play saying only "I'm interested" and not much more
>they do something very stupid, justifying it with "it's what my character would do"
>they want to rape a PC/an NPC
>they cheat blatantly to such an extent that it ruins the game
There are a lot mre, but I don't feel like typing anymore

>>44912880
>>44912913
I'm in a group that's been together for seven years now. The main campaign we played started in 2009, ran for a year before the original core group finished. After a six month break and playing other games, we started again, and recruited new players. Two of these players are female and one is trans. They are some of the absolute best players in the group, miles ahead of the two newer guys. Myself, I've built a very strong friendship with the transgirl.

Neither of them play shit characters, neither play (100%) fetish or self inserts, and neither of them derail or ruin any of the games. That campaign, after they joined, ran for a further 3-3.5 years, totaling around 5 years play. We're still together as a group, though a large part of the original core has had to leave due to circumstances (One was screwed over by another; the other moved to the east coast and the one had to move back to the family home and is getting married there now) and I'm unable to make our game day due to work now. However, the new campaign is starting in March and in the interim we are playing various one-shots.

Both of these are wrong and are caused by a large scale issue of these people being excluded from the culture in general and due to a lack of exposure having the inability to properly develop knowledge/skills in it. Further, people like yourselves simply exacerbate it by telling them they can't play, shouldn't play, etc. etc.

TL;DR
>have two female players in long term group
>one is transwoman
>they're two of our best players
>you're a shitter who simply contributes to the problem of inexperienced/unskilled female and trans players
>the people who project their snowflake selves into the game are the people who would do it no matter what, regardless of gender/orientation/etc because it's a shitty personality type

>>44916145
fag

>>44916145
>have a core group that gets back together
>also recruit four new players
Dude, what batshit size did you run.

I do feel there is higher proportion of trans ending in
>the people who project their snowflake selves
because a big portion of their lives is trying to drastically change, so there is higher draw in escapism games with the final state they want to end as.

Still, no judging by the cover.

>>44916292
>recruits four new
>four

He he he he

Our largest party size was nine or so. Let me just list off by characters.
>Darren
>Malharath
>Brother Farr
>Whatever that fucker who went to the east coast was playing and being killed as that week
>Pau Dir
>Glysh
>Glysh's player's daughter, played Drow usually? I'll admit to some issues here, but more based on age.
>Bulwark
>That one swordmage dude, he left shortly after joining

We also had George (real name) who we kicked because he was a rampaging faggot (not gay though, just a fag). The German and the other guy were in the current round of the campaign, which is the third act (actually, it's finished.).

Our highest point has been 10 players counting a temporary one-session dude.

We went from four to six to nine at the height of round two, then down to six or seven depending on the week in round three.

>I do feel there is higher proportion of trans ending in

I kind of agree here, but that's really the point of escapism. My special snowflake self (Paladin of Wisdom/Judgement/etc) may not be as out there as some of the ones that exist, but that's still definitely my snowflake self-projection (and kind of my magical realm, not gunna lie).

>>44916145

Is the trans girl hot?

>>44913618
>liking dirty sluts

>>44916366
n..n..no, desu

yes, but is very lesbian and in a relationship and i'm very good friend with both members of said relationship sempai

>>44916390
>trans chick (I.E was a dude) is a lesbian
>which basically means that he is a straight eunuch who cross-dresses.

LOL.

>>44916421
I mean, hormones and operations have a big effect on that whole thing, desu.

>>44916436
it's still hilarious that someone changes their gender into what makes lesbian rather than stay male. Like, I don't get why people change how they are born when operations are going to make them look weird and not fit in at all.

Just so weird.

>>44906289
I don't play with people I haven't observed interacting socially for less that 100 total hours. Generally, any issue that would present itself sitting a game slithers out by that point.

>>44916454
As someone who was born matching the standard for having a dick, I can't exactly say I understand it from a personal perspective, but if it's what really makes them comfortable then that's how it should be for them.

also she doesn't look at all male, you'd be surprised what properly prescribed hormones and the right surgery does to someone. would not know is trans/10 except that we found out eventually by circumstance of playing D&D with her for ~4 years as well as doing other social stuff outside of game, because why wouldn't you be friends with your gaming buds

>>44916390

I can fap to that.

>>44916454
It's all brain chemistry saying that your body is wrong. It feels real bad, big time, to be in such state.

And fixing the body to match what brain wants is easier and more successful than trying to pound the brain into thinking otherwise.

>>44916545
If it's just chemistry, wouldn't they be able to put chemicals in the body to make him feel alright as a man?

I know jack shit about chemistry, but I am curious.

>>44916575
Brain chemistry is MAD HARD and there is a lot of it. So no.
Seriously, that's full on sci-fi total brain rewriting tier.

>>44916596
I guessed as much. Thinking about this problem like "I'm stuck in a body I don't belong" as though it were depression, I figured that maybe they found an anti-depressant, something to help those poor fellow...

It's so sad, really.

>>44916545
>And fixing the body to match what brain wants is easier and more successful than trying to pound the brain into thinking otherwise.
For millenia people have been successfully doing the latter, not without a help of a birch rod, naturally, so quit it. There is no special snowflake that a good whipping can't turn into a good old ordinary human.

>>44916617
You're also seriously overestimating anti-depressants.
Unless you get lucky, it takes a lot of stumbling around, picking dosages of medications nearly randomly until you find something that manages to get you into a barely functioning state.

Brain is hard.

Should we figure it enough to be able to just swap gender identity anywhere near reliably, the rest of medical science will probably be advanced enough that swapping the rest of the body will still be much easier and much more complete process.

>>44916647
And overwhelming suicide rates among trans people blocked from transitioning totally do not exist, riiight

>>44916617
My understanding (and it may be completely wrong) is that due to their brain chemistry, the hormone treatment works because the brain then thinks the body is producing the proper hormones, leading to less of the badness. The reassignment is more for their own mental/personal feeling of being fully the way they need/are meant to be. Also, the hormones do massively change your physicality and appearance. Look at any before/after photos that are for a year a more of treatment.

(not the guy posting about the brain chemistry, i'm the guy with the group)

>>44916647
gee whiz grampa

looks like corporal punishment's the way to go like it was way back when, right? not that there's any massively negative side effects to physical beatings and mentally oppressive treatment!

>>44914892

This.

There is no way that good times will be forthcoming from a guy whose character's name is "Tyranius", who fudged game-breakingly good stats before the first session, and who won't let the DM see his character sheet, despite it being on his laptop and therefore easily emailed.

That's like half a dozen different types of That Guy rolled into one.

The other three, on the other hand, all have the potential to be totally great.

>>44908316
The gay bit probably depends on if they're IRL gay, or bioware gay.
The former is tolerable, the latter should be shot on sight

>>44906289
my only red flag is when people freak the fuck out about something.
I don't care what it is. or whether it is for or against that thing.

>>44914799
I don't think it's that character at all, but the fact that as campaigns go on these entirely-idea based characters are made to make accomodations for reality.

It happens with almost every type of surviving character.

>>44916849
>bioware gay

You mean pursues the main character sexually regardless of their gender or orientation, and in some cases, even actions?

Yeah, real gay. Almost like they took the easiest route to coding relationships into the game.

>>44906289
>laptop

Get that guy to fuck, anyone using a laptop in my group is permabanned. Most I'll allow is a calculator for games like Mekton. No phones, no laptops; do the maths and rules searching manually or fuck off. I'm not having my players be distracted by tech.

>>44916947
Most people have their rules in digital form nowadays.

>>44916964
well they can fuck off and buy a real book rather than join the mob of illiterate millennial retards

>>44916990
>buy a real book
I was going to, but then the two I was going to buy were $277, and I decided I could put up with PDFs after all.

>>44916990
Agreed wholeheartedly. There's a group of Shadowrun players at my local LGS that use laptops for all their stuff, I want to get them banned from the store cause they've never bought a single gamebook. Except for the GM, who has them all, but uses the PDFs anyway (?!)

>>44916964
and these people can fuck right off

>>44913399
>Wants to play a dwarf.
>You must have a short person fetish

>>44916964
>>44916990
>>44917024
It's amazing how someone who reads a thing on a computer instead of a book is now an "illiterate retard".

It's also hilarious that someone who does not know what illiterate means is calling someone illiterate.

>>44910546
Well a negative level every time they're caught ( and they're stored if acquiring them at level 1) has worked before (mainly because they cried and left),

>>44917097
In order to post here, they are reading things on a computer rather than paper, ergo they are an illiterate retard by their own definition!

>>44906289
These threads disgust me because it illustrates completely how finnicky and whiney everyone here is.
It angers me how unchill these people are, to the point where I am now not chill. This is some sort of infectious horror, that is what you people are.

>>44916421
/thread.

>>44916454
I can give you one explanation, but it is not the explanation that lets you get operations.

>>44916990
Grandpa did you forget to take your pills today?

>>44915587
>Thus the conundrum whether saying "My character is gay, but I'm not going to make a big deal out of it" is making a big deal out of it.
Is "my character has green eyes" making a big deal out of it? No. So why would that be?

It wouldn't. /tg/ is just full of /pol/tards who are offended by the idea that gay people are allowed to exist in fiction.

>>44916666
>6666
Satans that you?

Also
>Darwin's law
If they killl themselves, clearly they are not fit to live in this harsh world.

>>44917153
That was his point, yes.

>>44916687
Well you're the one who wants to be a gay male lesbian.

>>44916947
Faggot

>>44918114

I think you're the one who's refuse acting in this here board anon.

>>44918114
So getting mad when someone wants to play a half-everything trans-queer omni-gendered angelic CE rogue is unreasonable?

>>44918338
No one has ever wanted to play that. When someone has, you are free to tell them that angels are good aligned only and demand a coherent definition of the other words you said

>>44918121
>>44918338
I recall seeing this posted in an unrelated thread some time ago. Safe to say it's a bot or a lazy troll.

>>44918338
>>44918366
And ask an explanation of how they are half everything

>>44918385
Because they were born in a experimental laboratory where the sperm and egg were spliced together from every known species. Also I'm not a bot.

>>44918439
Interesting. Who did this? Why? What are the consequences of being an experiment? You do realize the wizard/cleric who did it is gonna want to capture you after the field testing is over, right? Also, can I ask you to be either Lawful Evil or non-evil non chaotic neutral?

>>44918338
>CE
Nope.jpg

>>44915324
you, I like you

>>44916666
HELL AND FIRE WAS SPAWNED TO BE RELEASED!

>>44914263
>everything is d&d

>>44916947
What about using a site like pfsrd to quickly search something instead of spending ten minutes paging through a book and bogging the game down? As long as the device isn't being a distraction I will allow it.

>>44906289

first two seem fine, third is slightly suspicious but I'd definitely allow it and see how it goes.

4th one definitely seems like a bad bill of goods. I would go ahead and start eyeing replacements now.

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>tfw I played an evil female wizard in a 4 year campaign

Learn2roleplay

I don't like rules lawyering, but sometimes the DM really just doesn't know, or forgets.

The most frustrating is when the rules suddenly change. One day, it takes an attack to grapple; the next, your full action, and now your grappler looks like a fucking idiot.

>>44908601
>anyone playing an edgelord race
>lists the least fucking special snowflake of the edgelord races

People give Dragonborn, Tiefling/Aasimar shit and I kinda see where they come from but honestly the lack of judgement towards them in a setting pisses me off more than just people playing them.
"OH THERE'S SUDDENLY HALF-DRAGONS AND DEMONS WALKING ABOUT...let's keep giving a shit about half-orcs though."

Drow I completely agree with on, also any other race that is a "deep/dark" variant from the Underdark in origin are fucking stupid to play unless you're actually underground and the setting is meant to be about being an asshole. Duergar, Deep Gnomes, Orogs, whatever the fuck else- fuck 'em.

>>44916947
Look at this 80 year old faggot and his ability/want to own physical books.
Eat a dick.

>>44908181
I am halfling

>>44916666
Who cares?

Crazy people kill themselves. Nothing new there.

>>44916990
Amen.

>>44916145
I played with only one trans player in the....4 years I've been playing TTRPGs now.

Worst fucking experience of my life, though I should have known something was up when the first they said to the group on showing was was "Hi! Oh, I'm Transexual by the way!."

After introducing the most special snowflake literally star-eyed Mary Sue of a character I've seen, they proceeded to take up half the session telling about how they'r e like, totally a girl now when they were previously a guy, and they're transgendered, and how being trans in, and holy shit have I mentioned I have boobs now?

It took us 3 hours to get out of the room we started in and do the encounter in the room afterwards because every time someone, even the DM, tried to do anything, he/she/it would immediately go into another "Yay trans!" tirade, and only stopped when I had been waiting to announce my attack roll to the DM for 20 minutes and literally yelled at him to shut the fuck up, I'm trying to talk.

They looked offended, but reigned it back for the rest of the game.

DM stopped inviting them afterwards, and his girlfriend practically celebrated and burned the trans character sheet. Apparently nobody enjoyed having them in the game, and to this day I still have no fucking idea why they were even invited.

Wasn't even a good trans. "She" just looked like a dude with half-deflated balloons in his shirt.

>>44906289
Alright OP again this will be my last post before either the end of the game or if we wanna take a break mid way through. Nothing much happened since my last post i got a skype message from Tyranius just asking about starting with an extra weapon on him but i told him no.

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>>44906289

My red flags are as follows:
>Rape
Either as backstory or in-game, it will never end well.
>Refuse to show me character sheet
I'm the GM. You will show me the sheet, or you won't play.
>Template-stacking
I'm not a fan of templates. Trying to have more than one will make me laugh at you and throw out your character.
>Excessively long and elaborate backstory
I don't want to read your goddamn novel. Three pages is the absolute max.
>Backstory claims relation to established character, regardless of setting
You are not the bastard child of Drizzt, Elminster, or any deity, especially if we're not using their respective settings
>Demanding excess items, abilities, etc as part of backstory
You are also not getting a +3 weapon right out the gate, nor can you turn invisible as a free action.
>Bring up sexuality or fetishes without being asked
If we cared, we would ask. We didn't, so keep it to yourself.
>Soapbox modern day issues in a fantasy game
Yes, LGBT rights are a good thing. No, I'm not going to stop the campaign so you can convince the kingdom to instate them.
>Alignment disparity
Not an automatic "no" like many of these, but playing a CE assassin in a group of LG, NG, and LN PCs is going to end with you as the joke character or dead, possibly both.
>Homebrew races, classes, items, anything
If I wasn't involved in the creation process, I'm going to be VERY leery of allowing that shit.
>Donte-Shadow-American-box-art-Kirby backstory, description, behavior
See Alignment disparity
>Using half a dozen third-party splatbooks
I'm going to look at your character very closely. If I see any other red flags, odds are you get a veto.
>Name taken directly from an animu or real-life person
Also not an automatic rejection, but really, it seems like either laziness or a bad joke.

>>44914892
>dante
My edgelord cousin-in-law named is shotgun-catear-wedding this.
Topkek but jesus that pisses me off.

I've had awesome games with anime leaning PCs, but only when thematically appropriate. We once did a dark sun game where the gimmick was your character was based on an anime, and we ended up being lead by Psionic master Lelouche, with his right hand man Kenshiro (which, I have to admit, I played more like Joseph Joestar cause I couldn't stay serious).

>>44908181
> CN allingment
check
> kender race
nope
> anime is referenced at all
nope
>waifu is mentioned
nope
>"my character is gay"
nope
>" I already rolled my stats"
check, but they looked random and were reasonable numbers, no problem when I asked for reroll in front of everyone
> "can I use a katana?"
check
> " my character was raped"
I guess check? it seemed implied in her backstory
> " my tribe/family/(x) was murdered!"
check
>" I want to play a druid "
check
> "catgirl"
nope
>" I am half(anything)"
check, half-elf

I must be playing with That Girl. Not that bad really.

>>44908181
> " my tribe/family/(x) was murdered!"
I swear, I can't roll up any sort of Alderaanian with this.

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>>44921608

Would that really count as murder? I don't know enough about war crimes to understand how they're prosecuted.

>>44916678
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>>44916654
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>>44916436
Sooooo.... How 'bout them Bugbears??
Roleplaying Tabletops and whatnot...

>>44921644
A single murder can count as a war crime, depending on how it's done.

Like. Say we're shooting at each other. You drop your gun, raise your arms, and shout 'I surrender'. I pop you between the eyes and call it a day. Under the laws of war established by the Geneva Convention, that's a war crime.

Destroying Alderaan counts as a fuckton of war crimes all on its own. Destruction of churches, hospitals, killing unarmed civilians, neutral parties, genocide, etc. The big one would be the genocide.

>>44917013
LotFP?
What the hell books are you buying?

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>>44921697

But it's actually legally listed as genocide, not just several billion counts of murder? That's the part that confuses me.

>>44908718
Best comment

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>>44921668

Too late. They got the bugbears as well.

>>44921756
Oh goddammit...

>>44910044
Guy who was in the party with the actual Sir Bearington here, that player was a pain in the ass. He never made a non-joke character, though I give him credit for never repeating his jokes.

>>44921823
I'm sorry you had a shit tier DM.

>>44921732
A mass murder takes place in at one instance that involves more than four people. A lot of time, people will call it 'indiscriminate'. That's what sets a serial killer apart from a mass murderer, is that the serial killer commits their murders over a long period of time and usually have a method for picking out victims.

Murder, whether serialized or in mass, becomes genocide when you kill a significant percentage of a population/culture.

Had a catfolk player, just wanted to be a catfolk ranger who rode around on a boar while shooting shit. Came from tribe of other catfolk who just loved to shoot shit. backstory was pretty much "just felt like it"

First time for everything I suppose, the player also invested all the money they had into improving the boar with enchantments and armor. Bretty neat.

For balance, someone should start a DM/gm red flag thread.

>>44908316
We had one game where we had like three That Guys, but one of them, by far the least poisonous one was a mage. One day, somewhere in the middle of the adventure, in the middle of the session, he suddenly reveals that he is gay, he is a travelling mage because he was too tempted to seduce young magic students and has hots for other character.
It wouldn't be THAT awkward if it wasn't a complete surprise also for the DM.

>>44908601
Ever considered that you are That Guy?

>>44921477
>>Demanding excess items, abilities, etc as part of backstory
Do people really do this? I've never seen it before.

>>44921644
Murder is unjustified killing, the Empire did nothing wrong.

I'm worried my DM might be racist but I don't want to be "that guy" since he made some weird comments that weren't directed at me.

I'm the only black guy in our group and I feel like he's picking on me. I mean none of the other players had to fill out the weight management on their character sheet.

maybe he's mad because i was joking around during character creation but I wasn't any worst than the other players. He didn't like my choice of god either (Kord) as a cleric but lets someone else worship vecna without question. I'm sorry I guess I'm just venting. I just want to play a game with my friends and have fun.

>>44922132
Believability= 2/10

>>44922132
Befriend the others, place them before yourself in roleplay and combat. They'll end up liking you and take your side

>>44922132
>not liking a black guy makes you a racist

Have you considered the fact that he simply might not like YOU, personally?

>>44922132
Maybe don't crunch on fried chicken when you talk into the mic?

>>44922222
Quads confirm chicken crunching as red flag

>>44922301
Those are clearly quints.

>>44922350
That's all the proof needed.

Clearly the other anon was crunching chicken DURING game play.

>>44916947
I don't have hundreds and hundreds of dollars to spend on dead-tree sourcebooks.

>>44922132
You are white as the driven snow, and trying to stir up some shit.

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>>44913865
I actually had a monk based off Gen from Street Fighter. He was practically ancient in age and very sick, but he wanted to die in combat rather than wasting away in some bed.

I didn't have much trouble with his rolls, but whenever I did fuck up I had the excuse of his age/sickness starting to catch up with him.

>>44922101
I tried to play a tabletop game exactly once in my life (it didn't take off for reasons), and one of the first questions I asked was "can I get some abilities if I list related hobbies in my backstory".

>>44906289
>Slaughter in Latin
>Ignores the obvious Tyrant inspired first name.

If the first thing that player's character does in the game is kill some random civilian you should immediately boot then because they just showed you that they'll cause problems.

>>44908395
Rules lawyers in general are crap. Min-maxers, optonly, and just about every other hated player at least has potential. I've never encountered a rules lawyer who didn't pass on against RAW rulings until it hurt their character.

>>44923200
the thing is that OP's group seems perfectly fine. Not perfect, but fine. As long as they don't go too far then it doesn't matter.

the girl's idea is normie, the slaughter in latin could be what he plans on doing to his enemies.
Keep in mind that much of dnd is battle and killing so yeahhh.

>>44923309
Trying to cheat at character creation and deny the GM easy access to your character sheet are both damn near inexcusable.

>>44908728
This. Though if I'm playing an obvious animoo system (Tenra, Double Cross, BESM, and the like), I'm willing to let it slide.

>>44923350
meh. Getting two 18s is entirely possible just really rare.
And not realizing the obviousness of building a character sheet but instead thinking that "muh laptop will be good enough surely?" is fine

As long as he or she changes for the demands of th DM. If they don't listen, then they get kicked. But stupid mistakes due to inexperience shouldn't be punished.

>>44909546
Because rolling for stats is fun.

>>44923200
>Ignores the obvious Tyrant inspired first name.

Or maybe he just assumed that we're not all idiots.

>>44915520
idk anon, if we start kicking people out for being disgusting then you probably have to go to. It's a slippery slope.

>>44915201
You know what else is a rule though? DM gets final say. If somethings retarded, like asshole crawling, they can throw it out. You should tell the players though.

>>44923400
Out of about 250 rolled characters over the years..

I've had 2 18's, maybe 4 times.
3 18's, only once.
No 18's, 200 times.

It had little to nothing to do with game quality.

>>44923460
4d6, drop lowest.
Arrange as desired.
Let's you make any character you want, most of the time.

>>44922791
It clearly worked. 4chan has got to be the most racist fish in the sea.

>>44923808

>>44910808
Almost as bad as one of my friends/helper on campaign world ex-roomies.

>almost always chose the catfolk
>played them as nip as possible even though they were supposed to be SE Asian and Mayincatec in culture.
>Always had a name from a WoW toon or from the latest BL animoo he watched.
>Often randumb.

>>44923460
4u

Good thing I don't play Shit&D

>>44923820
>spoken like someone who has never been to anywhere but 4chan

>>44908601
>> people who roll their dice out of sight
>> people who cheat
Do you have an issue with the definition of "red flag"? These are things you'd only learn after the fact.

>>44919270
This has to do with nothing though.

>>44923857
>toon
Absolutely disgusting.

>>44923857
what's BL?

>>44913163
>>44914663

I had a half dragon character because I looked at the abilities and thought it was cool

Am I a fag for thinking dragons are cool

>>44924216
We both played at the time, it was late BC so fuck it.

>>44924253
Boys Love, ie like Yaoi without the sex.

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>>44924296
I see

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>>44924327

Why oh why have I not seen this gif used on this board before?

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>>44924362
You a newfag then, I've seen it a couple times already and only recently saved it.

I think it's still a good reaction image

Oh and basically said person I should have never played with or asked help from tore down about 8 years of refining of two races, both decidedly furry (wolf-folk and catfolk), but we're originally from older shit (Wolf originally from Palladium, cats from shit like Wing Commander). Trying to make them OP fetishbait instead of basically cursed Kebab and Maya-Aztec-Cambodian former slaves.

>>44924020
Nobody takes bait in quite the same way anon.

Mostly cause no other website is quite as systematically lenient towards obvious shilling.

>>44915201

>Playing a game where the mechanics of an action are entirely abstracted from the metaphysics of the world it takes place in

So is your idea of a good time basically just a spreadsheet and a bag of d20s?

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>>44924560

Ah, the kilrathi. I remember those guys.

'Twas a simpler time.

>>44916990
>>44917024
Jesus Christ yall are like the people that back the Hughes amendment because of all the money you spent on unratified legislation
Just because you spent a shitton of money on something you want to mire the rest of us down.

all that being said totally agree no electronics at the table, the DM should so he can look up rulings or source material.