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Gonna post warforged pics
also, if anyone could look this over and give an opinion, it would be great
We shouldn't all have to be bipeds.
How can I play a rabbitboy in Pathfinder?
Bumping this query
He was contemplating this or a punchy warder warforged with adamantine skin.
All this talk about rabbit people and we still have no koalamen.
This is a grave injustice
Or is there a better base crafting class for a 3.5e warforged artificer feel?
I know the forgelord is decent, but that's a prc
Don't make them furry, just 50%
Also, they would not have an Int Bonus. If anything, rabits would have penalties to Wis and Int, and Bonuses to Dex and either Con or Str.
Rabbits are pretty stupid, but vicious
Dude, look at the post I linked
that link is in it, but is that class the best one?
and what is pfgs take on it?
Use a genderswapped pooka from the Bestiary 4, or a Usagi Hengeyokai by Rite Publishing
Isn't the whole reason why rabbits are hunted and not the greatest of people because El was too lazy and stupid to control and stop his people from over breeding, causing Frith to come in and do it himself with predators?
>Having written the low-level kick-off to Hell's Vengeance, "The Hellfire Compact" I wanted to make players uncomfortable with what they were being asked to do. Many gamers seem to be evil-curious when that means killing dragons and fighting angels and summoning skeletal legions. But how about dealing with a dog trying to defend its master? Putting a noose around the neck of a priestess's son? Raising your weapons against a stubborn old couple? There's some messed up decisions in there and not a lot of glamour. I'm not trying to romanticize this, and I wasn't trying to make the most messed up things possible. These are realistic, small, real-world evils in there among the fantasy elements.
If you're playing an evil game and it makes you feel bad, well, maybe that speaks well of you.
But, if you're playing with someone who takes these in stride... maybe don't let them pet sit for you.
Wow, no punches pulled.
Would you, /pfg/?
Would I what? Take it all in stride?
Of course I would, I'm playing imagination with a bunch of nerds around a digital table. I'm not going to pull a punch because we're all reasonable adults that know it's all pretend.
Any recommendations for making Technology from the Technology guide more usable? I was thinking of combining all the colossal artifacts into one for the purpose of creation, and making it easier to find a power source.
Any suggestions on trimming down the prices? 72k for a +6 item is twice as much, while still taking a slot, though it isn't affected by AMF.
>But how about dealing with a dog trying to defend its master? Putting a noose around the neck of a priestess's son? Raising your weapons against a stubborn old couple?
Jesus Christ I just imagined the perfect character to make for this campaign.
The most offensively stereotypical American police officer.
Sassy weapon that mistranslates things to the lizardfolk so he'll misinterpret things.
>that bar wench just asked how you liked your women
>that cutie in your party called you sexy. No I'm not lying, she's angry because she's embarrassed!
this reminds me, how would you play a bladebound Magus tiefling with 5 CHA? His weapon is more expressive and has more personality than he does?
>new player came to table last session
>DM suggested vanilla rogue
>player went with it
>I'm playing gunsmoke mystic
>considering retconning my class so that I'm not doing all sorts of crazy shit while he's sitting around with this thumb up his ass.
I also suggested unchained rogue, but my DM gave some asspull excuse why he didn't suggest it. My running theory is that he loathes anything he isn't 100% familiar with, which makes sense because he's running a campaign in pathfinder despite it being ostensibly NOT a pathfinder campaign.
Looking for advice on a taldan duelist build /tg/ i found a good fighter archetype that works with falcata and buckler but i talked to my DM and he said hed let me make a swashbuckler who can use a buckler and a falcata with weapon finesse. Should i go fighter or swash?
>The most offensively stereotypical American police officer.
Quick question as an American, is that not how it works in other countries or something?
what do you mean? There weren't any solutions indicated, just problems to deal with.
Or do you mean the raising guns to defiant, but not dangerous people? That does in fact not happen much in most European countries.
>want to try gming again, even if only for something short because I like the process of building encounters
>don't like golarion that much, definitely don't want to run one of the APs
>feel like I'm shit at world building, and don't want to go through too much effort for something that might at best be tolerated if it doesn't get dropped immediately
>haven't gmed in PF before either, just a shitty homebrew system
that was a bigger mess than PF
Oh yeah THAT happens in Austria all the time. They don't shoot at people since they are socialized in a less violent culture, but you are describing exactly the main drawing pool of the police force over here.
It's not really that terrible for society all in all, they're still working a profession which they are fired from if they don't do it right.
Adapt adventures and run a campaign in another setting?
And I mean... I feel like I'm pretty shit at worldbuilding too but my players seem to tolerate/enjoy the setting, so you never know.
>There weren't any solutions indicated, just problems to deal with.
The solutions were implied since all of those problems are scenarios we've seen American police handle all the time.
In this case; shoot the dog, beat the old couple while claiming they were resisting arrest, and hang the priestess's son.
What class would the offensively stereotypical American police officer be? Brawler?
IME as long as rogue players have a flanking buddy and can occasionally get a nice TWF full attack off they're happy.
If he wants some cheese at higher levels the sniper goggle and smoke/darkness vision abuse route is always open.
I'm a simple man, so even just whipping together a generic fantasy world would appeal to me. I mean, I have a few notes stashed away that basically amount to:
>players start at an adventurer's guild branch in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, take jobs from the town populace
>town is full of nutjobs and people with nowhere else to go, guild hall is full of losers that can't get anything done
>weird shit all over the place, monsters and monstrous races galore
>"monster-of-the-week" adventures, where the monster is either some dangerous murderbeast, harpy cults, gnoll raiders, or
just a ttibe of a monstrous race that accidentally spooked some farmers
>some cult to a minor deity kidnaps a local herbalist's daughter, it turns out that the daughter
is a homunculus
>something keeps killing the farmer's chickens, and some damn kids keep pranking the Tanner. The party finds out that a minor trickster spirit lives nearby
and mistakes one member of the party for an old friend
>assorted random, generic fantasy bullshit
>have one big church to one "big-G"-esque god, and a pantheon of minor deities.
I am shit at doing any big, overarching plots or making anything be high-stakes. I have a vague idea of how to scale encounters as PCs hit mid levels, but no idea how to make any scenario that fits the encounters.
Flashbangs, crib, but we don't have to pay the cleric; that infant could have been armed and the judge agrees with us.
also; not just *the* dog. ALL dogs. Dogs trapped in cages. Dogs in the arms of their children (no it doesn't matter if you shoot the kid, what part of "I had reason to fear for my life" don't you understand?) Dogs in a backyard over a fence that says beware of dog that you don't even need to go through.
>Get called in to rescue dog trapped in a locked car midsummer
also civil asset forfeiture. Civil Asset Forfeiture on EVERYTHING.
Or take off a zero if it's a weapon
Or two zeroes if it inexplicably has six motherfucking digits in its cost "because lol fuck you that's why lol"(sincerely - paizo)
>mfw another player has a wolf companion.
You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that, but you're 100% wrong.
You know what? I used to agree with this mindset but more and more I'm starting to warm up to the setting.
Mostly because of the Silver Flame and the fact that, unlike what I thought, it's nowhere near as SJW as Golarion and is, in fact, pretty fucking conservative.
God damn do I love me the Silver Flame and that eternal loli-pope.
Doesn't happen often at all in Canada, and for now it's still a major scandal when it does. For now, despite the examples of our big bully in the south, our cops MOSTLY understand that escalating every situation to "weapons free" doesn't make anybody safer, and that tazing and pepper spray are NOT "compliance facilitators", they're alternatives to blowing a head off.
Just because someone talks back to you (freedom of speech, anyone?) doesn't mean you can just blow their kneecaps off.
Only the armed goons of rich aristocrats extending their authority to a level guaranteed to lead to guilliotines-everywhere-and-lets-execute-their-families-while-they-watch levels of bloody revolutions go around acting like US cops.
It just usually takes a generation or two of things having been bad enough for enough angry people to finally both decide "everyone in uniforms and suits must die" AND do something about it.
Seriously dude: cops acting like the ones in the US are a classic symptom of an empire on the verge of a nastyass implosion. It never ends well.
Cops in Austria get fired for not doing it right? Cops do not get fired in America unless it makes national news, and it's more to cover asses and save face rather than any actual concern of wrongdoing. I don't think I've lived in a city where there wasn't at least one serial rapist working for the police force that no one could legally stop.
You got a source to back up the serial rapist claim?
Otherwise I'll have to call bullshit on you. Not saying it may not be true, but to haphazardly spout it off as general knowledge because you say so is irredeemable.
So what I'm getting out of this is I should be playing a disgraced Andoran Savage Technologist Barbarian who moved to Cheliax for the laxer attitude on law enforcement, and wields a pistol in one hand and a club/sap in the other?
Where does this even come from. I am honestly confused as to how anyone can even think of America as a third-world country. If America is a third-world country, then so is UK since they have all the economic strengths and production capability of Mississippi.
NE: The law is great only when YOU are it and when it directly serves YOUR purposes, otherwise fuckit; what's anyone gonna do, arrest you?
use the intimidate tree, but ONLY! ONLY EVER USE INTIMIDATE AS THE FREE ACTION THAT ONE FEAT GIVES YOU WHEN YOU ATTACK!
need diplomacy? BANG. INTIMIDATE.
need sense motive? CRACK. INTIMIDATE.
need perform? BANG, BANG, BANG. INTIMIDATE.
need knowledge:engineering? BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG, BANG. INTIMIDATE
there's always someone somewhere you can intimidate into every bit of knowledge or info that you need, you just make sure they're too fucked by this to ever go after you for it after.
To avoid the risk of "The One Good Paladin" in your city going all internal-affairs on you, carry numerous drugs, poisons, and cheap weapons: make a habit of ensuring they ALWAYS had illegal products on them once you're done.
Is this going to be Spec Ops: The Line: The Adventure Path?
>kill the puppy to continue the AP
>beat up the old folks to continue the game
>execute the priestesses son to continue the game
>players spend the entire adventure being TOLD to do evil things instead of choosing to do them
>players are made to be evil rather than act evil
>DO YOU FEEL LIKE A VILLAIN YET!?
Because of the living conditions. They can be surprisingly comparable for some of the population (and that's not a good thing).
>Utterly corrupt ALL branches of government overcharging for services and then not giving them? Check
>Extremely hostile "police" force only used to protect the rich and influential, otherwise given free run to rape and pillage as they please? Check
>Increasingly worse working conditions, with things like OSHA violations rampant but whistleblowers punished harshly for daring to point it out? check
>a North Korea level of "we don't believe in climate change and you can't make us" science? check
>oh you want information? and you're not gonna take a stone wall for an answer? arrest his family. Check.
>in one state
As someone who lives in Michigan, please don't compare those barbarians to the rest of us. Other than that cess pit, the rest of the state is doing great
don't drink the water for a few weeksand Detroit is no longer a good standard of how the rest of us live.
You should not believe everything the news tells you.
Fuck, that place.
>People have their mortgages sold off between banks during the financial crisis
>Bank that sells it away never actually sends any info in regards to that
>Continues to take payments towards mortgage
>House gets foreclosed by other bank
>They got the house AND your money, YOU get to live on the street
>No one buying houses what can we do with all these houses
>Get massive bailout, and the families can still go fuck themselves these houses are ours now you didn't pay us even though you did.
Well that and cops that start with "who did you take this car from" if you're black and "how much you got on you, hand it over now" if you're white at routine traffic stops.
The news usually tells us the labradoodle puppy was armed and black, and that the four year old charged into the street recklessly despite the gunfire aimed straight at him.
Then it warns us that terrorists are around every corner and that we should support the elimination of encryption to stop them hating us for our freedoms.
How should this character act when they're "off-duty?" Should he be the human equivalent of an insufferable yapper dog, or an asshole "Chad" that constantly gloats about old glory and meaningless achievements?
>The Bearded are no longer a thing
>Sarenrae is now worshiped in Taldor, same with the Cult of the Dawnflower
So... What curious cultural quirks are in Taldor anymore? James is like a Fun-Seeking Rocket destroying everything that was willing to jut out of the formless Generic Sea.
The latter, but less "old" glory.
The way he describes last tuesday, he was the hero of fucking Die Hard, here. Entered that shop with his partner, there were like fifteen terrorists, three of which were in the ceiling, and they only got out of there after expending all their resources, barely got back alive.
Your life was ALWAYS in great danger, and every act was too heroic to ever be questionable in the eyes of anyone who isn't a corrupt criminal.
Security cameras show two thugs flashing their badge beating on a cashier, pissing on some displays and pocketing a bunch of copper pieces and pharmaceuticals. The camera's owner got arrested for the crime.
Alternatively, be a perfectly decent person off-duty. A little glory-seeking and self-confident, but nothing overt. That'll make it more heinous that you're an innocent-shooting, hardline, paranoid, and racist example of insidious corruption.
>Check up on the Paizo forums
>Notice everything I've posted in doesn't have a dot anymore
>Huh, that's odd
>Read the threads
>I can't post, reply, edit or anything
... Did I just get banned from the Paizo forums? Literally all I remember doing in the past couple days was post the screen of JJ's opinion on Taldor and said "Dawnflower scum" a couple times.
My mom hails from the east side, and no matter where the hell we go she find someone else from there. I grew up in a 'burb but on the east side of Woodward. Like, six houses east.
ooh that's very true.
your family and neighbors think you're a great guy
so much that even without your helmet they'd swear it isn't you doing those things if they saw it. Not even in "disbelief" but outright "oh that evil guy kinda has his eyebrows, that'll be quite a showdown when he shoots him!" YOU would never act like this.
>What exactly happened?
Taldor accepts Sarenrae and doesn't have the Bearded/Unbearded class system anymore.
No, never been to Michigan. Plus a single shitty city ruined by labor ruins does not a country make.
>corrupt all branches of government
Mostly just on the federal and a few states. Plus I dare you to find me a single government that isn't corrupt inbsome way. Also at least the cyclical nature of elections, despite incentivising cut-and-run strategy, helps make sure it does get as awful as Mexico.
> Extremely hostile "police" force only used to protect the rich and influential
Literally only a problem in places with urban decay, like Missouri, and usually because police forces are so horribly underfunded that only the ruthless cheats stay in, or the precinct has to suck the teat of private funding. Further, in said districts with decay, the hatred between police, many of whom where also from a low-off background, and the poorer minorities feeds into each other in a reverse feedback loop that's further stoked by psycophants in media exacerbating this divide. This is literally not a problem outside of these large urban decay centers.
>Increasingly worse working conditions, with things like OSHA violations rampant but whistleblowers punished harshly for daring to point it out?
Blatantly a falsehood, and only really happens in corners of the deep south or northern industrial districts, who are really just doing the same methods as they've always done, just with ramped up production scaling to keep up with increasing global demand. Except the meat industry, fuck those guys.
>a North Korea level of "we don't believe in climate change and you can't make us" science?
Wrong. Super wrong. Global Warming is required discourse and education in most schools and in all universities, and I say that as a Natural Resource Management major in Texas. This shit only happens in ass-end forgotten private schools and geriatric luddites in Georgia that no one pays attention to anyway.
You are awfully ignorant, and I say this as someone who's lived in 5 states.
The point isn't that those things can be put back in.
The point is that, by removing them, they're effectively whitewashing their setting to be more generic and inoffensive.
Plus, and this is always the important bit, by removing it from future work they've effectively killed the practice for future players, since someone who comes into the system today won't know about the Bearded/Unbearded *or* outlawing of Sarenrae.
Nice. We were like four streets south of 10 Mile--outside the city, but close enough that, for example, insurances still counted us as "in" it for rates. 696 is still a racetrack.
>Combining Dindu Nuffin with Hot-blooded Police Asshole
He should try to act nice, but just fail to get it. Babysitting? Sure. He'll take the kid out to shooting range/practice yard and try to teach them how to shoot, then fail to understand why the kid is in tears because guns are loud and smelly and scary and he just doesn't GET it. Things like that.
>Wrong. Super wrong. Global Warming is required discourse and education in most schools and in all universities, and I say that as a Natural Resource Management major in Texas. This shit only happens in ass-end forgotten private schools and geriatric luddites in Georgia that no one pays attention to anyway.
You're forgetting our elected leaders, many of whom do in fact feel that way.
It was a good run.
Seriously though, I can't believe how fucking butthurt Paizo (and everyone on that forum) gets at the very insinuation that the Cult of the Dawnflower is related to ISIS.
It just makes them go fucking bonkers.
Yeah, I really like a lot of things about Paizo except the fucking people that work there. The amount of sanctimony that comes out of that "look how progressive we are because we're gaymers" bullshit factory is incredible. Way to take the teeth out of anything resembling an interesting approach to a difficult philosophical problem.
That's because thier geriatric luddites, obviously. Wait a few years for the newer forms of education to replace the older paradigm, then it'll be gone. In about 5-10 years, once the data properly cycles through public schooling and Bill Nye and Al Gore stop trying to push it too hard, it should be accepted as fact.
Also, don't trust any candidate who talks about "fixing" global warming. They are either an idiot who doesn't understand the root global causes and the societal implications of it, or they just want to steal your money. Your best bet is to either wait for a philanthropist with enough disposable income and incentive to figure it out, or wait for everything to crash and burn and society and the human population gets knocked down. Trust me, all of civilization has been fucking itself over with this since the Industrial Revolution, and as long as society as we know it exists there is no stopping the heat up. Better get used to a 2°C higher median temperature.
>Wait a few years for the newer forms of education to replace the older paradigm, then it'll be gone. In about 5-10 years, once the data properly cycles through public schooling and Bill Nye and Al Gore stop trying to push it too hard, it should be accepted as fact.
But anon, we're starting to see the newer generations come into power and they're saying "Because it's 2015" for everything.
Yeah... about that...
>I would look to some combination of Rob McCreary and Jessica Price for that. Rob is pretty much a real-life Taldan noble and Jessica was the lead developer on Inner Sea Races—and is pretty much a real-life Qadiran, their mortal foes. If anyone's going to steal a Taldan's beard, it's going to be a Qadiran.
>Hum... Rob does have a beard...
>This developer emasculated this other developer, isn't that funny?
>Jessica was the lead developer on Inner Sea Races—and is pretty much a real-life Qadiran
>slave owning, land stealing proxy of an expansionist regime intent on scrubbing away all cultural identities that don't match their own, resorting to defacement of historical records to do it (Osirion artifacts/Paizo Board posts)
>But anon, we're starting to see the newer generations come into power and they're saying "Because it's 2015" for everything.
They're only a small slice of the idiot pie. I'm seeing more high school students almost resembling respectable adults than college-age ones.
Turns out nowadays the only way left to rebel is to be a responsible and well-functioning individual.
But enough about stupid politics, there are far more important matters to discuss. For example, which tiefling imperfections actually make them cuter and more perfect?
You're forgetting that they're actively deregulating things like the EPA the whole time though. Those who actually "don't believe" aren't alone: they have a powerful 'ally': those who know but don't give a fuck because profit.
>which tiefling imperfections actually make them cuter and more perfect?
Is it wrong if I'm disgusted with futa but find a hermaphroditic Tiefling (especially one that's embarrassed about it) extremely adorable?
As for other imperfections I enjoy, horns and unusual eyes do it for me.
>That's because thier geriatric luddites, obviously.
Or maybe because there is actually no global warming (with recorded temperature changes still well below historical climate maximums), no real evidence of humans having any impact on the climate, and no models with predictive power (my city is supposed to be underwater already according to climate change alarmists of 30 years ago) and they feel kinda bad about running a global scam.
>be past a tipping point we can't come back from thoug
We already are anon. We already are. Plus with the current trend of punishing independent enterprise and inhibiting market creation, entrepreneurship, and value differentiation. Meanwhile people are claiming to be making golden bullets to solve the problem, but are instead using it to fund vacations to private islands off the coast of Florida to fuck underage girls.
Plus, even if America can fix its problems, good bloody lick convincing the other countries to do so, such as the poorer nations that lack the means or incentive to do so, or China who currently has the market cornered on essential industrial resources (minerals and rare-earth metals that are essential to production of most everything in the modern era from computers to refridgerators) who have been and will gladly continue to destroy the earth and thier own people and culture just to make more money off of westerners.
Meanwhile both the Libs and the Republicans are idiots/schemers who are destroying themselves and eachother , with the Republicans being a three headed goat trying to kill itself and the Democrats being an asshole rat looking to be the top of the carrion pile to freely devour and Lord over everything.
Meanwhile /pol/ and tumblr just make things worse by causing people with opinions to further putrify in thier opinions and go insane causing it impossible for anyone to seek a sensible idea or middle ground from either of them
Meanwhile every other country faces similar issue themselves, creating a massive collective action problem for everyone, causing an inflated tragedy of the commons.
Don't call it a grave, its the future we've been forced to accept.
It's real, the problem is the alarmists are also clueless idiots for listening to All Gore and going crazy. The change is currently small, a global median increase of °2C, and that's the accumulated change from since the Industrial Revolution.
Also the evidence is based mostly upon sampling of atmospheric greenhouse gas reserves that have been stored away in antartic ice cores.
Also because both sides are idiots who don't understand the difference between "weather" and "climate"
Basically the trush is, the change is small but steady, and there's no feasible way to actually stop it without methods involving massive moral and ethical ramifications.
That doesn't stop the Libs from profiting off of the panicky populous though for the past several decades, especially since those early days the data wasn't really properly put together.
Well, TT didn't have one of the exact ones I was looking for, but there is lots of great stuff. Thanks guys
Oh hey look, a good use for unnerfed Broken Blade and Primal Fury.
Steelfist Commando Warlord in Primal Warrior Stance, use the X Knuckle boosts (which one depends on level) and the Shards of X Strikes (big damage boost, ignore DR/Hardness).
Why do you guys hate those two disciplines, again? All I've ever heard is conjecture from anons and randoms on GitP crying that it out-damages unarchetyped Fighters or poorly optimized Barbarians.
I don't hate them, I'm actually quite fond of the two disciplines. They are a bit excessive on the damage though, even if they don't appear that way at first blush. It's a combination of multi-attack maneuvers, big bonus dice, size increases and boosts that last for a whole round. Any of those by themselves isn't an issue, it's the fact that they can be layered together that puts the damage from those two disciplines in particular out of hand.
Don't go vengeance nerfing them is all I ask. Lots of people want all damage increases, boosts, DR bypassing, etc. stripped out entirely. 'Oh, you can make 3 attacks at -2 penalty each at level 5? see that's totally powerful.' Others then proceed to Beast Totem all over faces, TWF at level 6, etc etc etc.
And that's lower tier classes.
Your balancing point should be the Magus, Alchemist, and their ilk. Not the core Fighter or Rogue.
I need advice on feats for my Raven Lord harbinger
Weapon Finesse (Rapier)
Grasp of Darkness
Reach Through Shadows
Weapon Group Adaptation
Discipline Focus (Shattered Mirror)
Due to the game style most of the fights will be one on one, so I think I should get rid of Dark Authority. In addition I do not have many close ranged strike/etc. so grasp through darkness doesn't really help (my maneuvers are either melee or medium/long range).
I focus on Shattered Mirror, Cursed Razor, and Eternal Guardian.
I have been thinking about Cursed Razor Style (only the first one).
you forgot to preface that with "at the cost of using unarmed strikes for most of them", which hurts a surprising amount due to how stupid-expensive unarmed striking is gear- and feat-wise.
flurry strike (and especially) steel flurry strike and the loose wording on the knuckle boosts seem to be the main offenders.
the easiest fix would be to make steel flurry a fullround (like many of the other "get lots of hits for one strike" maneuvers in other styles), and add "on attacks with style weapons" for the knuckle boosts, and MAYBE knock a (one, 1, single) die off them.
Steel Serpent is a bit. I have to wonder how overtuned Primal Fury or Broken Blade are outside of PoW classes, though, especially ones that don't have scaling attack/damage modifiers as nice as theirs.
I wouldn't knock a die off of Steel Flurry Strike if you're removing the chance to use Boosts on it. Compare it to what other decent martial classes are doing at level 6 with less set up and investment beyond 'lawl power attack'.
Doesn't Steel Flurry Strike stop scaling well once you're closer to mid levels? better Strikes to take, and everyone with full BAB starts making 3 attacks a round, or things like Magus have Imp. Crit and blow the dick right off of enemies with a scimitar.
Our balance point has never been fighter, rogue or monk. Just take a look at the archetypes for those classes in PoW:E if you want proof. You get a lot more than you give on those archetypes.
But you can out-damage even a novaing magus if you abuse the right maneuvers from Primal Fury and Broken Blade and that's something we don't want to see.
The plan isn't to make maneuvers worse than existing options, it never was. The plan is to fix unseen and unbalanced interactions and introduce more flavorful, interesting options that make for interesting and dynamic fights.
It shows the absolute humanocentric focus of the iconics.
And das racism, yo.
slapping 15d6 (total) onto three attacks (that get str, oh-hit effects, etc) at a minor penalty as a standard+swift is pretty baller at almost any level for a martial.
and that's just with bronze knucle+steel flurry. stances, size increases, other/better boosts all make it even better.
Sort of. I can't go into to much detail right now because, as we've been saying for months, we need a break.
We've got a list of what needs fixed, and for most of the errata it's going to be math fixes and cleaning up wording. Some stuff will go down, some will go up and some will finally make sense
so maybe y'all will stop bugging us about it. Going into more detail at this time would be pointless as we've yet to really get started.
I mean, I'm only 10 STR to begin with and I pulled a muscle in my shoulder yesterday so... no, I guess I'm not that strong.
In a less joking manner, what are you actually trying to say. I'm worried it's going over my head.
Hey Elric, I have a player making a Harbinger built around Intimidation tanking with a mix of Cursed Razor, Black Seraph and Eternal Guardian, plus associated Style feats. Dark Focus is really impeding his character build and asked if he could replace it with Sanguine Empowerment (its a lot more flexible by comparison to Dark Focus) but not the Crimson Countess archetype itself. Do you think this acceptable or should I tell him to suck it up and take the full archetype?
He's not exactly doing any damage and he's investing a lot of resources into something that could get shut down as soon as an undead enemy appears (at least until higher levels..)
Anon, by and large, you need not lecture these guys about this as tho they were Paizo.
>"at the cost of using unarmed strikes for most of them"
You don't need to use Unarmed for Broken Blade, it's just an option, and it doesn't even apply to Thrashing Dragon and Primal Fury at all.
Magus with Stances and Boosts is pretty strong and makes their already noteworthy damage even more insane. But then you guys aren't balancing around Magus (though Warder/Magus is suggested for Bladecaster..) so uh.
Ehn, I like the Warder/Magus combo, although Harbinger/Magus has more damage-oriented synergy.
Honestly, if you DID have to use unarmed strikes for broken blade's extra attacks, it'd probably be balanced (although need some tweaks with boosts and stances still)
Maybe add in a special rule that makes your extra attack unarmed strikes not take TWF penalties, not provoke, and deal lethal damage.
Especially with how shitty the Greater Unarmed Strike feat scales. And the feat plus magic item investment that requires to be decent.
Its more problematic when people start adding heavy blades to their style and using a Greatsword imo.
most of the strikes that add extra attacks in BB specifically say they're made as unarmed attacks, which unarmed attacks are a style weapon for.
flurry and steel flurry do not have that wording, and it leads to some frankly silly application, even fro such low level maneuvers.
and i'm referring specifically to BB since i have less experience with the other two (i recall that TD has plenty of good multi-hit strikes... as fullrounds, and primal fury has a size stance that's weaker than EFs, and can occasionally deal stat damage.)
Ultimately it's up to you, but personally I'd tell him to take the whole archetype or none of it. It might not unbalance things, but the abilities in an archetype are meant to synergize with each other so if you're only using part of an archetype, you're hurting yourself.
>Human - 25
>Halfling - 3
>Gnome - 2
>Dwarf - 2
>Elf - 2
>Half-Orc - 2
>Half-Elf - 3
>??? - 5
Ok here we can see that all races are fairly even, EXCEPT for humans which blow everyone out of the fucking water. Most iconics are human, most writers are human, coincidence? I think not.
>Female - 19
>Male - 19
>Trans - 1
>Gender Fluid - 1
>??? - 3
Surprisingly even, and with only 2 real outliers. I do not see how people are so concerned over supposed SJW pandering, at least in the gender counts.
>Straight - 8
>Lesbian - 1
>Bisexual - 1
>Asexual - 1
>??? - 33
Most people we simply don't know, of those we do the majority are straight, as to be expected really.
>LG - 5
>LN - 5
>LE - 3
>NG - 7
>TN - 7
>NE - 1
>CG - 6
>CN - 5
> ? - 5
>Total Lawful - 13
>Total Neutral - 15
>Total Chaotic - 11
>Total Good - 18
>Total Neutral - 17
>Total Evil - 4
Here it seems Paizo has refused to make a CE iconic. I can see their reasoning on this. Besides that True Neutral and Neutral Good seem to be the most uses alignment, followed by CG.
Neutral along the Chaos/Law axis and Good on the Good/Evil axis are the most populous, however none lag behind really except for Evil, and there are obvious reasons for that.
I want to see your all's thoughts on this.
Its getting the bonus across multiple styles without having to wait until much higher levels when Dark Focus allows a second style. And like I said, he's using three different styles to pull this off.
Harbinger is weirdly monofocused and pushes away using a lot of stuff outside of Cursed Razor..
Morale for the AP I'm running has been low lately because of the amount of times the characters have died. How do I make them actually engaged in the game again? They seem to just make characters expecting to just go into a slaughter even when I'm making encounters easier.
>Pazios's writers are shit at writing things they don't personally understand or have bias toward and must absolutely have a mary sue moral highground bias to morality and alignment.
Not surprised, really.
No, harbinger's monofocus is intentional. Like I said, archetypes are designed with you taking the whole thing in mind. Picking them apart can cause issues with abilities scaling properly, missing out on ability synergy, and losing focus and direction.
Help with this? Honestly looking at it I am unsure if I even need Piranha Strike either because I never want to be the one full attacking.
The fact that at level 15 I can expend maneuvers for lower level ones means I can get another Advanced Study for some good situational counters (since my bird can use them as well), or a discipline focus into Cursed Razor.
Take a little while out for some rp, play up the group's importance a bit.
Dole out some more equipment to bolster their odds.
Are you the guy that mentioned how the party blew thru like 10+ characters in a single fight?
I'm not even sure what you're saying, is it because of the lack of evil characters?
I think that's mostly because CE & NE characters don't function in groups if you use the actual Paizo definition of CE & NE.
>Chaotic evil represents the destruction not only of beauty and life, but also of the order on which beauty and life depend.
>Chaotic evil characters live at the mercy of their own toxic passions. Their goals and methods may change on a whim, and they often crave novelty and variety in their lives.
>Serial killers, demon cultists, arsonists, dangerous hedonists, and others lured to atrocity by passion are drawn to this alignment.
>Neutral evil characters care only for themselves, and do whatever they think they can get away with. They place no stock in the ability of laws or codes to protect them, and thus don't bother to follow them. At the same time, they're less spontaneous and prone to whimsy than chaotic evil characters. In some ways, neutral evil is the purest form of evil, unburdened by any other tropes or tendencies. Whether a neutral evil character has chosen to practice evil for its own sake or—more often—simply has no empathy for others, the result is the same: cold, unfeeling cruelty.
Again, these don't function in groups because they'll fuck each other and their other party member's over by virtue of being their alignments. At least LE is functional in a group.
They've gone through about five or six characters attempting one dungeon. This is also a dungeon where I decided to give the enemies actual group tactics rather than lining up to get killed by players. To make it worse I probably shouldn't have had said enemies loot the players and use the equipment of the dead characters against the new party too.
I don't know, because when I said I was excited to take Bestow Curse because of how creative you can try to get with it, my DM said Bestow Curse can only apply numerical effects to someone. He and I had a short debate about it, but because it was clear I wouldn't be able to convince him to change his mind, I dropped the subject and just never took the spell. Really sucks, though.
What the fuck AP are you playing?
>To make it worse I probably shouldn't have had said enemies loot the players and use the equipment of the dead characters against the new party too.
Wait...what? So the players have WBL for character building, and then that wealth just gets dumped into the enemies who get exponentially more wealthy? How does that work?
Son, I do not think you should be a DM. In fact, I hope you call your group right now, apologize, and promise you'll never DM again.
Do that. Please.
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The lack of nonhuman characters (made worse by the fact that they've admitted not wanting to make a gnome/halfling/dwarf love interest in their APs because "it would be weird"), as well as their sole trans character having "they are trans" as their defining character trait and their only genderfluid character LITERALLY being an unseen Ninja. Add that all up together and it becomes obvious that they're only scratching the surface of "progressive" without actually doing anything with it. It's wearing the mask without bothering to do more.
Separate question: I've seen it mentioned on Gitp (Can't find the exact post) that the latest version of mystic now
1) Has access to all its readied maneuvers to use outside of battle, and
2) At the start of battle picks any two of them to be immediately granted, rolling for the others as before
Is that right?
I very much approve of the change if so
>Put on offensively racist fortune teller outfit
>Hold envelope to head
A list of reasons that >>44901913's DM wouldn't let him use bestow curse properly.
>Audience laughs uproariously
The genderfluid character is also asexual, the reason being her psyche is not that of a normal person. The ninja I believe specializes disguise, both of those more represent it being out of touch with its own identity than some progressive stance.
As for the "they are trans" dwarf. Yes it's a shallow character, it seems to have been made to appease the crowd.
Fear of being branded pedophiles I'm guessing. Short races have that risk. Also most people aren't attracted to short races, most people are attracted to more human ones.
That is incorrect. You choose 2 maneuvers to have readied at all times when you choose your readied maneuvers by spending 10 minutes meditating. The final version of the mystic will have the ability to change these two chosen maneuvers outside of combat by spending 1 minute in meditation.
I hope the GM realises how this can be turned against him; build a bunch of suboptimal characters who are loaded up with WBL in pricey but not overly useful gear, then roll up an actually optimized character, win the battles, and now have a PC with multiple times WBL.
I'm about to be GMing for the first time, and I want to use both original adventures and published adventure modules (not APs). What are some good ones that can be adapted to a homebrew setting?
Thanks for clearing that up.
So as before you only have access to two maneuvers out of combat, but you can switch between them in just a minute?
Still a pretty solid change, actually - my biggest issue with the old system was that the Mystic gets almost all the utility disciplines but is then limited to using only two at a time for actual utility.
They didn't even kill the boss of that dungeon, she got sick of the adventurers and left. However her Scrapworth accumulated enough that next session, the players are going to fight Helskarg and Marrow with a few Smilers in a three party free-for-all.
>Encourage roleplay so players get attached to their characters
>Have combat be highly lethal, and you must reroll upon death
That's brutal, man. Not inherent bad practice, but I can see why your players are starting to lose their spirit.
Yeah, that's exactly why it fucking explodes my brain.
It's sort of like this time I joined what I call "the worst game I've ever seen", where the party was like "We're level 2 but you can spend 5000 gold on gear because we killed an entire army so now we're rich.
Like, how can a DM be so fucking retarded that he thinks this is how things are supposed to work.
Yeah, you are not allowed to DM. I'm serious, I'm removing you from the DM chair. You're done.
No one really cares about the race/gender/sexuality. People do note what happens though because indirectly Paizo exhibits its own forms of racism/sexism etc. Indirectly, the chart shows some things that would be capable of categorization in that sense.
For example, as stated before females (and MTF Trans) are predominantly placed in positions of divine magic. A quick look at this confirms that: the ratio of female-male-trans is 5-2-1. Characteristically divine magic is intimately connected with spirituality and Conjuration (Healing) or the various life-giving spells. That is to say, that by predominantly placing women in these roles it is following the same old trope of viewing femininity as creative or nurturing in a sense, that it is the empowering force within the setting. It is the wise and intuitive magic.
One could even go further by looking upon Alchemy, another class of magic sometimes ascribed to creative motives. Here Paizo emulates a conception of womb envy - or male jealousy of the feminine potential to create life, by not only placing alchemy in the position of a lesser magic (by which I mean having access to no 9th level casters), but also consistently penalizing the magic in their various rulings (ie. all the various Alchemy =/= magic scenarios). This leaves it in the position of a reduced proxy - a singular reminder that the masculine can never truly grasp nor replicate the procreative forces available to femininity.
To cement this ideal of femininity as the dominant influence within regards to creation or nurturing, we can look further by examining the male iconics which hold places within this category of divine magic and what we will witness is that they are assigned to both Tier 3 and 4. Once again, Paizo has given the masculine a taste but not more than a sip - for both their potentials are limited - a man may heal the wounds of his comrades but may never truly breathe life into them with the efficacy the feminine can.
Now to turn our eyes onto the Iconic Shaman, for Shardra embodies this concept - the highest echelons of divine magic has been reached. The power over life and procreation readily accessible at a singular cost - Shardra's masculinity. Forsaking her maleness allowed Shardra to enter the "sisterhood" in a sense.
The alternative is to be evil as evidenced by Lazzero. If the masculine desires power over creation it must sacrifice its masculinity or sacrifice its potential "good" alignment.
Now one might argue conjuration Wizards or the Summoner as examples, or even necromancy - but here we see another problem. These options are not only available to the divine, but also regarded as either perverse (necromancy) or only a mere emulation (the Summoner/Conjuration). To elaborate, whilst the Summoner gains access to creation spells above his spell level, he lacks the creative influence of cures or resurrections. He doesn't create life or restore it, he pulls it from another plane of existence. Again, like Alchemy, the summoner attempts to glimpse the feminine quality of life-giving only to fall short. Necromancy however is dealt with in a more discriminatory fashion - its evil. The restoration of life or creation of life in regards to animation of undead is arguably deemed an act of rebellion against mother nature, and the Devs have stepped in to assert a few times, that such magic is inherently negative - that is there is no such moral flexibility in necromancy - it is undeniably an evil act. Good necromancers are simply non-canonical within the setting.
The closest arcane magic comes to mastering this nature of procreativity is in the witch - who unsurprisingly is female. Once again, the masculine will never truly understand nor command the powers of creation available to the feminine.
It is the reassertion of a tired old trope. Nothing more, nothing less. It stereotypes women indirectly, and fails to really subvert any ideals on the notion of femininity.
His actual reasoning is that because all of the example curses from Bestow Curse are numeric in nature, the implication is that Bestow Curse can only ever apply numeric penalties. A curse like "Never speak of X event again" or "Never come here again" were the sorts of things I had in mind, although I never brought up the subject of something like "Take -X to stat whenever you are in this area". I still doubt that would have worked though, as he described those effects as not curses but potential trigger conditions for the higher level spell Mark of Justice.
I can't even begin to comment, because we lack information about just how badly you've failed. All I know right now is that somehow you allowed a party to beat themselves against the same dungeon over and over, and TPK'd them every single time. You cannot salvage that, that campaign is long since over.
If anything, you need to start from scratch and maybe realize that, if a fight would TPK a party, and likely send you into the downward spiral you're in now, THROW THE FIGHT. Have the monster beat on them for a while, then have it go down when it tries to use some sub-optimal attack or tactic, and allow the players to win. There's nothing else you can do. A TPK removes people from the game, they no longer care about what they're playing.
I'd have to see the whole session from start to finish to critique everything you do wrong.
People don't actually think there is some conspiracy to push men as having "womb envy". It's just obvious that they think divine casting is feminine. The rest of it is a lot of drivel.
It mentions the iconic wizard then just ignores him, then supposedly says:
> the masculine will never truly understand nor command the powers of creation available to the feminine.
Again, both the iconic wizard and cleric.
>The alternative is to be evil as evidenced by Lazzero. If the masculine desires power over creation it must sacrifice its masculinity or sacrifice its potential "good" alignment.
Wait no, you're being sarcastic aren't you. Ignore me.
As much as I hate to say it, it was their choice. One player even made a character with no characterization beyond "I HAVE TO BEAT THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY KILLED MY ENTIRE FAMILY" I even suggested to them to go elsewhere, but they chose to try and brute force their way in the exact same way they came in, and I advised them that it wasn't a good idea.
>No one really cares about the race/gender/sexuality. People do note what happens though because indirectly Paizo exhibits its own forms of racism/sexism etc. Indirectly, the chart shows some things that would be capable of categorization in that sense.
My thing has always been, if it doesn't bear mentioning why bother. An addendum to this is I dislike when something goes out of its way to attempt to be "equal"...like if say a work uses one of those alternative pronouns or if it bounces in sections between he and she (the smaller the section, the more noticeable/jarring this is up to around like the chapter level where it's not really noticeable).
Look to the golarion pantheon, too. Who resides in direct oposition to necromancy: Pharasma. It's by her decree that necromancy is evil. And if you want to dabble in necromancy, whose power must you emulate? Urgathoa, a woman who was so opposed to this feminine nature of creation that her entire set of sexual organs have been removed.
Yes, but he interprets that as "you can come up with some numeric shit". Like I mentioned before, I wonder if something like "Take -X to stat whenever you are in this area" would work (I never thought to ask him about that before and I'm not going to bring the subject back up), but I'm pretty sure he would say no because that's the kind of thing he feels Mark of Justice exists for. The only sort of thing he thinks Bestow Curse can do is give a numeric penalty to a character.
I also pointed out that the rules for madness say you can use Bestow Curse to inflict someone with a madness like paranoia or amnesia, but he countered by saying that all of those madnesses have numeric penalties so that doesn't create an exception to how he thinks Bestow Curse works.
Your players and you deserve each other.
The only choice now is to turn it into the Tomb of Horrors, tell them to go ahead and roll up a dozen characters each, then just get to killing the fuckers.
If you scroll down about halfway someone posted the Book of Vile Darkness and Dragon Magazine options for Bestow Curse.
If your players insist on making more and more characters to play the same content, and you insist on letting them, and then both of you have the balls to say "We're losing morale, how can we fix this", you're all too retarded to exist.
Good riddance to all of you.
He's not so bad most of the time, but I definitely do things a lot differently when I DM for the group. I'm generally a lot more permissive and try to take a "Yes, but..." stance on things my players ask about.
He wouldn't accept that, because our group has a pretty strict "Paizo-published material only" policy (when he's running, at least). Actually, he doesn't even allow all Paizo material, as all non-core races, gunslingers, hybrid classes, and occult classes are banned too. Anything he feels is too powerful is also banned, although that's a relatively short list that we generally agree on, like Sacred Geometry. He did decide that magi shouldn't get an extra weapon attack from using Spell Combat with Spellstrike in the first session I joined the group, though.
This whole post kind of paints him in a worse light than I'd like it to, but given what I know of /pfg/'s generally attitude I'm sure most people in this thread would probably quit a game he was running if they were playing in it. I'm still playing with people I'm friends with outside the game though, which means I'm having fun all the same.
Racebrewer anon here.
>>44894251 were the ones I did last night.
These concepts I either passed up or didn't stay awake for:
No, those aren't banned for being too powerful. They're banned for a combination of him disliking the flavor and also not wanting to have to learn a whole new set of classes and mechanics. The hybrid classes are banned for the second reason (and the first reason, in the case of some like the bloodrager), the gunslinger is banned for the first reason. Non-core races are banned because he feels that PCs should become special by virtue of their actions, not because of their unusual race. He has allowed a couple exceptions to his core-races only rule though.
>GM and many of the group hates psionics
>decide to run a game for them to have them give it a chance in comparison to one player playing a Paizo class in the party
>one player looks at aegis
>asks why he even disliked psionics and realizes he can be a magical girl with this class
Session looks like it'll be fun, wish me luck!
What does that achieve? Is it even forbidden do that without such a mention? Sorry, I'm still sick today.
I don't put my own stuff in the pastebin, it would feel uncomfortably self-serving. If people judge my brew worthy they can add it if they want.
Aegis is the best into to psionics class.
Possibly even the most comprehensive intro to DSP for minmaxers once they realize that if you allow playtest material, the base aegis has access to customizations that let them dip a bit into every DSP subsystem.
Optimizing my Aegis was the reason I learnt Akasha and looked over the early level stuff of ever single discipline
>What does that achieve? Is it even forbidden do that without such a mention?
Nothing and no, but it's cute.
For something mechanically useful, maybe let it speak and move (but not interact with anything) according to the Waxmorph's wishes, as long as it's within their line of sight.
Though that such a minor thing that it's not a fair replacement for either racial ability.
Not the wisest choice... but usable. Suggest to him the power-stone harness path if he's gonna go that way, and deep crystal weapon customization; if nothing else he'll have plenty of PPs to feed them.
If he just wants to rapid-switch all his stuff, ask if he mostly wants to swap movement around; if that's the case trailblazer is basically at-will reconfigure of the mobility options.
Daevic Veils and Initiator Maneuvers will also both be based on his INT: they can be put to good use as well (only if using stuff with save DCs though)
What do you do when you need to come up with a character concept and realize you don't have any fresh, original ideas?
For example, I'm trying to come up with a character for a high-powered (as in the stats are incredible) campaign where all the magic items are divine artifacts and rare as such, and all I know about the general plot is it's fairly typical "stem the tide of evil" but I don't know exactly what that evil is.
My noggin' is working, but all I can think of is lame shit like Lizardfolk Warder Swordmasters or professional hitmen Human Slayers.
well there *was* a version full of suck.
it had a particularly memorable FUSION! scene involving two of the characters!
S T O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O P
Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, or the manga
If he's going full Int, maybe point him at the Host of Heroes, which upgrades the energy blast to have soft debuffs based on Int and lets it be used with initiator's soul. Lets you get more bang for your buck from having a high mental stat on a martial (and ranged rouch attacks helps if you max it at the expense of physicals).
Does lose reconfigure, but that's what initiator's soul is for!
So, my character is going up against the Lumber Consortium, looking for evidence of their bullshit.
What are some entertaining crimes I could pin on those bitches once I get the proceedings underway properly to make sure they all fucking hang?
>What are some entertaining crimes I could pin on those bitches once I get the proceedings underway properly to make sure they all fucking hang?
Theft, extortion, murder, racketeering, deicide (some of those trees must have forest spirits.)
>Zweihander Sentinel Bushi
>Doesn't even use his second sword
>Takes two archetypes that grant firearms, being redundant
Elric, why do you hate us so?
The archetypes stack really well and work well together. Trust me, I'm not going to write unoptimized Iconics. I want to show people what you can do with PoW.
Orc blademaster? No, I've had custom characters on the back burner for a bit waiting on confirmation for custom art to go with them.
Better stat spread and half-orcs are my favorite race in PF.
uh, having worked in a relatively hazardous trade, I can say some OSHA requirements are just ridiculous and following them to the letter basically meant we couldn't do our job. I'm cool with eye protection and hard hats and whatnot but damn.
we need more grizzled vets in iconics.
>Reactor Knight Call-Weaponry's mech-scale Rocket Launchers
>Warsoul freely swaps between his GBE and Zero/Arc/Laser rifle forms at will
>Axiomite Daevic is basically that chick in goldfinger, piloting a squad leader cohort's Hyaku-Shiki
>Circuitbreaker is FFVII's Cid
>Eclipse is actually a set of networked Psicrystals "each" piloting small fighter drones
Tell me about the comfiest session you've had in Pathfinder, lads.
>Bushi- Male Half-Orc Zweihander Sentinel Bushi Warder
It was nothing but the party drinking tea on a lovely cruise ship during midsummer both in and out of the game (except IRL that drinks were spiked with copious amounts of vodka).
Yeah, and after taxes, pricing penalties, and cost adjustments, your still paying the same amount, if not more, than you would normally have to pay for healthcare. Plus the the percentage of people without it who desperately need it is less than 1%, most other people are younger people who feel they don't need it, people who are already wealthy enough to not need it, and illegals.
Or you might just be lying through your teeth using rather common republican campaign talking points on the subect.