>Get sent to investigate a colony that went dark a a few decades ago.
>There was an "AI revolt" sort of...
>Some nerd decide to make a system for Gynoids to interface with each other Geth style.
>They seized control of the colony government, "removed" the female population, and have been indoctrinating the males.
>Now the Gynoids do all the necessary work, maintain infrastructure and raise "Vatborn" human infants.
>Males are encouraged to pursue sciences, art, and constructive hobbies.
>Find out the Gynoids are planning to invade the rest of human space to repeat what happened here.
Wat do tg? Burn the colony to stop them from conquering humanity or let this happen?
Well, considering I'm a woman, I'd really rather not risk being 'disappeared' by mechanical yanderes.
Might give them the option of keeping their one backwater world safe and sound if they agree not to leave it. Depends how reasonable they are.
But yeah, glassing the planet is definitely on the table. Not going to risk the gynoids destabilizing the entire galaxy with their antics.
Yes, absolutely. Since the AI is essentially planning genocide for 50% of the human species, action must be taken against it. It'll suck for the colonists, but a few lives for the good of us all.
Obviously we make an army of hyper-masculine robots to infiltrate their society.
Best ending is they decide to fuck off and abandon baseline humanity forms as inefficient and restrictive, and go full AI Intergalactic robot seeding.
End up with the Culture. Or the Polity. Either one is acceptable.
All the heretics who want to fuck robots get Blammed!
This model of society looks vulnerable on several points: a networked AI responsible for all elementary upkeep is one weakness, meatbag populace is being made dependant on their cybernetic caretakers. Furthermore vat breeding is more susceptible to producing less well-rounded, robust variety of populace that natural processes are.
Depending on how squeamish the fleet command is, we can either
1) Nuke the colony. Loss of life is unfortunate but it's clearly simplest way to assure the contagion does not spread
2) Quarantine the world, allow traders and scientist access in ships with hardened AI defenses to maintain contact and carry on exchange of good and information. This is risky because the contagion might spread, but so could anything interesting produced by the rogue settlement which is still a potential asset.
...I'd keep them around if I can, but make it clear that "removing" female populations is a BAD, BAD thing to do. And that we'll glass the Gynoid occupied colonies if they kept doing it.
Kill them all. Glass the planet.
It is tempting to have competent robot servants, but the fact that they have effectively gendercided a planet and held future generations of that world hostage for no explainable reason (its is dramatically less efficient that simply leaving the human women in place) means that their logic is shit and they can never be fully trusted again. Even if we made a "safe" version of it, we would always be looking over our shoulders out of fear that we had missed something crucial.
So yeah, nuke the whole thing. It is safe to say that, since the males left on the planet are not already in a state of open war or rebellion, they are brainwashed at best and complicit at worst. Not worth the risk of trying to save them and letting them mingle with the rest of human civilization.
The colony has already been dark for decades. No one ever needs to know what we did here to protect the dignity of the human race. Our official report back will be that the colony was destroyed by an astrological event of some kind, such as a massive meteor impact.
In secret, we will warn out superiors of the dangers of networked AI on this scale so we can put countermeasures in place for future incidents.
> believes that women are evil for not giving free access to their vaginas and wanting to have a say in shit
> signs up for the genocide of half the human race, the slow death of the other half due to imperfect cloning techniques and a severe lack of biodiversity, and literal slavery to robot overlords
Your test scores came back. It turns out you are a fucking idiot.
Well it was designed with the most advanced Human and recovered Covenant and Forerunner technology they had at their disposal to be a mobile military base if Earth ever fell
Is it ultimately beneficial to the human race? If so then keep them. If not then glass them. Who cares if it ultimately means we lose a lot of people if it means those that come after us can be truly happy. Like a parent to a child but on a bigger scale.
I for one welcome our new sexy mechanic overlords
>genocidal yandere robots
>an entire colony of neckbearded NEETs (because we all know that what they really mean by "pursue sciences, art and constructive hobbies" is going to turn out to be "tip fedoras, draw clopper porn and sperg about about dumb shit")
Yeah, they're getting glassed.
>just recovering from a galaxy-spanning war, resources are scarce and skilled personnel running scarcer
>human and xeno pirates running amok all over
>build one big ship capable of taking on all the Covenant carriers that don't exist anymore
>can police the shit out of the system it's in and that's it
I know ONI's not the brightest (fuelling civil wars as opposed to giving every serviceman a sangheili wife) but come the fuck on
They made super soldiers from kidnapped kids and put them through training so tough some of them had to make new personalities and delete the old one just to cope. They then gave them super human upgrades and bionics then slapped them into suits so powerful that it kills lesser men just to wear it. Did i forget to mention they DIDN'T plant bombs in there brains or install an off switch and just hoped that the love for their mother would be good enough? Did i mention that the kids are basically fueled by PTSD?
At the point construction began, it was looking like Earth was going to fall. Building more cruisers wouldn't have mattered, because the Covenant still outnumbered and out-teched them. The Infinity was supposed to be a giant arc that the human survivors could inhabit, something able to outrun most of the Covenant fleet and outfight anything that caught up with it. It was basically a 40k Craftworld.
What they needed was to not fuck over the race who had allied with them at the last minute which resulted in their winning of the conflict which was sure to destroy them. Instead of sparking a civil war between said race they should have helped the friendly faction of that race fuck over the other faction who wanted to return to their dumbfuck ways
Which is still a retarded idea, given that Covenant slipspace technology was vastly superior to human technology.
Hence the whole need of the Cole Protocol - and as stated by Cortana at the start of Halo 1 (or strongly hinted at), it's not a surprise if the Covenant arrived at their destination ahead of them.
It strikes me as giving humanity a better chance of survival than rattling out a few dozen regular cruisers to try and defend Earth with. Considering the size of the Covenant armada, it wouldn't have made much of a difference. The Infinity would have at least allowed them to try something other than a doomed last stand.
It would've been better if they made a crapton of colony ships instead of the Infinity if they wanted a kind of Ark program, because as stated before, the Covenant could easily catch a single ship going who knows where.
Now, a whole bunch of smaller ships? That would give humanity a better shot.
>that pic reminds how stupid the idea of the UNSC Infinity is. what a waste of resources.
Eeeeeh. Not really.
That being said, maaaan post-Bungie fluff needs to DIAF.
Did anything in H5 even remotely make sense?
>Wat do tg? Burn the colony to stop them from conquering humanity or let this happen?
How does FTL work? Because if there's a means to cut them off from that I do that rather than glass them. It seems like an interesting experiment, but I don't want any of that conquest faggotry in my front yard.
>Not going to risk the gynoids destabilizing the entire galaxy with their antics.
>peace and prosperity
Not going to claim that it's okay to just murder half the population, but it's hardly a destabilizing force.
>Did anything in H5 even remotely make sense?
Just wanna clear up that the race betrayal thing was regarding the Sanghelli allying with the humans then after the war ONI deciding that the Sanghelliwere too much of a threat and decided to spark a civil war between the faction led by the Arbiter who was on good terms with humanity and the faction led by a dickhead opportunist who was using the idiots who wanted to return to the ways of being exploited by the San 'Shyuum, then wiping out the weakened Storm Covenant if they won or in-debting the Arbiter if he won
At least if I recall that part about sparking the civil war correctly
>Inquisition team finds AdMech planet
>Doing science, having their version of fun
>Priests start getting cozy with team
>Autistic acolyte is running constant analysis
>They're pumping out pheromones, accentuating curves they don't have with shapeshifting robes and putting hormones in the food
>Get techie to access their data streams
>They're fucking Men of Iron
>They've done this to others
>Inquisitor leaves to contact AdMech
>Unravel the conspiracy
>They've been making infiltration machine abominations
>Tried copying people, but doubles are spotted too easily
>Created new people as the legit offspring of important people, then killed off the parents
>Have large chunks of Imperium under their control through proxy infiltrators
>Inquisitor comes back to collect us
>Retreat to their abandoned moon base
>AdMech glasses the planet
>Moonbase inhabited by servitors
>Find infant cyborgs being grown
>Everyone swears they never fucked the AI
>All members except the autist now have children with each other
>Inquisitor forces the team to raise them since they haven't been conditioned yet
YOU NEVER FUCK THE ROBOT
>Which is still a retarded idea, given that Covenant slipspace technology was vastly superior to human technology.
The Infinity is running engines from reversed engineered forerunner tech. It's like how humans didn't have shields until they met the covenant, then had shields on spartans better than the covenants by the time the MkIVs were coming out.
By the time the Infinity was ready, it had better slipspace than the covenant.
The covenant can't catch the Infinity. That's an important fact. Additionally, it was made using a more than limited resource: Reversed engineered forerunner tech. They didn't have time to figure out that engine perfectly. They made do with what they had. They had enough forerunner engines for one really big ship. So they made an Xbox Hueg supership that had forerunner lasers, forerunner shields, and could casually carry a fleet of frigates with it.
In case the covenant somehow did fuck the Infinity up in escape? It could deploy a fleet of frigates carrying survivors to continue the bail out.
It's not as dumb as it sounds when you have the whole picture.
God Halo 5 was disappointing.
>Cortana's still alive betcha ya didn't see dat coming guize
>oh wait she's evil
>look more shitty unfun prometheans to fight
>oh look she has a body and is wearing space clothes for some reason
>we are now mass effect
>see you at halo 6
>see you at Halo 6
How advanced is this setting? I'm thinking we release a continuous electro-magnetic pulse across the entire world so that the machines shut down Then relocate all these males to different worlds as there is now void of working technology. Should probably imprison those who reprogrammed the gynoids to be so aggressive towards women and generally nefarious as to try to infect other worlds like this.
Call the scrappers and tell them about all now useless junk the world is filled with which includes a bunch of broken sex bots.
>At least Infinity has energy shields.
Along with all the other blatant fluff wank covering it.
The setting was supposed to feel like it was adhering to real world principles of engineering, sociology, management, physics, and logistics.Even the Spartans were a painstaking process with extensive details that mentioned the difficulties and points of failure of things like slipspace, cryostasis, the SPARTAN program, and all of that great shit. Then Halo 4 happens and all of that gets thrown out of the window for a good dose of Call of Duty logic.
Anybody is assumed to be SPARTAN material without specification, Cortana's critical role as an extraordinary source of information processing and electronic espionage is outright ignored, the Infinity dwarfs alien ships that we approached as completely beyond our capabilities by integer multiplicative factors, its power making a laughing stock of those same ships for no reason despite this being the product of a genocidal total war where over half of our economic capacity was glassed, our transportation system broken, and a nascent rebellion given a power vacuum on a platter.
Yet we just scratch build this Maus-tier piece of shit without a single person questioning, a single complaint about the cost of this shit, or even a single point of context of how the rest of the infrastructure is doing to make such an F-35 project doable. Stuff that Bungie would sink its teeth into any day of the week if they had the time that is completely given without comment.
>Embrace the new order. It's clearly past due that we decommissioned that defective model anyways.
well, clearly someone's been indoctrinated, or just a very sad person, either way you will be spending the rest of this operation in the brig.
I want you to notice a difference here.
In the original Halo, the Pillar of Autumn is an ancient, surplus light cruiser on the mothball dock that was forced back into service because Covenant. It's a verifiable AKM crossed with a space faring Toyota Hilux and gets a pretty swanky little refurbish to be badass at shooting MACrounds, but it still gets rekt, it's still treated as just a ship, and it's still practically priceless in terms of the setting. You do not see another Halcyon class cruiser except as background flavor in the rest of the series.
Then go to Halo 2, 3, and Reach. Notice that you have been *downgraded* to a frigate. Three times. Both of those are fleet escorts that are verifiably dwarfed by your regular covenant cruiser, don't hold very well on their own, and are all about speed,agility surprise. In fact, they're likely chosen for that purpose because it offers Master Chief much more operational flexibility to be on a knife fighting rogue of a frigate. They're cheap, mass produced, they're facing off against horrible odds, they're like oversized dropships in several cases. Trying to brawl a covenant cruiser is a losing proposition, and the games treat them that way.
The only single break in this, up to Halo 4, is in ODST, where for exactly 1 cutscene, you're in a Marathon Class heavy Cruiser orbiting New Mombassa, which you don't even get to see before it launches off into the Battle of Earth, presumably to get wiped out in Halo 2.
Then comes the Infinity, which is the stunning pinnacle of blah blah blah and it singlehandedly takes on an entire Covenant fleet. Something that, according to the principles that Halo attempts to follow, should be impossible. The Infinity is a Frigate carrier, battleship, colony ship, tier 1 laboratory, and dry dock rolled into one obese frame and it simply acts like a Shonen protagonist to the Covenant Puddies.
No, it's not an explainable, therefore good plot device.
>Call of Duty logic
Humanity in Halo had went from no shields to SPARTAN shields thanks to reverse engineered Covenant technology & that's during the war. Halo 4's humanity had a few years of peace & plenty of Covenant & Forerunner parts leftover from the war.
& the difficulties in making IIs caused shit like the IIIs & their augmentation methods to come out. I'm surprised you aren't complaining about the IIIs.
This better be bait.
As important as she & her Halsey-based stuff are, she isn't the only one there.
Reverse engineered Covenant & Forerunner technology does that. While the remnants of the Covenant are struggling with the collapse of their infrastructure, Humanity didn't have to deal with that shit.
>shitting on Covenant ships
& let's see the reasons why. The Covenant had energy shields, the ability to glass planets, etc. Humanity has caught up a lot in this time.
>Humans had time to rebuild in a time where everyone else was shitting themselves due to the collapse of their Covenant Empire.
>an ancient, surplus light cruiser on the mothball dock that was forced back into service because Covenant
>comparing that to an experimental, new ship with Forerunner technology slapped on it
>singlehandedly takes on an entire Covenant fleet
>Remnant fleet lead by a Elite who was lucky enough to return to his home planet first & recruited CIVILIANS as fighters
>Humanity in Halo had went from no shields to SPARTAN shields thanks to reverse engineered Covenant technology & that's during the war. Halo 4's humanity had a few years of peace & plenty of Covenant & Forerunner parts leftover from the war.
They. Explained that.
>& the difficulties in making IIs caused shit like the IIIs & their augmentation methods to come out. I'm surprised you aren't complaining about the IIIs.
IIIs had horrendous flaws, were treated as expendible, and were considered lower quality, to be thrown at the enemy as shock troops. SPARTAN IVs are inexplicably flawless, AND as an added benefit, are inexplicably ethical. For a setting that prides itself on trying to explain, this is a joke.
>As important as she & her Halsey-based stuff are, she isn't the only one there.
Halo designed Cortana to have a limited life span. She was supposed to die. All she had left was some secrets, but even Halo 4 hardly points out her capabilities. She's practically an electronic deer running away the whole time before her death.
>Reverse engineered Covenant & Forerunner technology does that. While the remnants of the Covenant are struggling with the collapse of their infrastructure, Humanity didn't have to deal with that shit.
>& let's see the reasons why. The Covenant had energy shields, the ability to glass planets, etc. Humanity has caught up a lot in this time.
Humanity had the entire war to figure out Covenant fleet technology. In addition, as I literally stated, they had to contend with their own collapsed, now nonexistent infrastructure. Many core worlds which were critical manufacturing bases were *destroyed* during the war.
>>Humans had time to rebuild in a time where everyone else was shitting themselves due to the collapse of their Covenant Empire.
And yet there is no emotion, no tension, no explicable reaction to the human interstellar power vacuum. It's all bright and shiny bullshit without substance.
>>comparing that to an experimental, new ship with Forerunner technology slapped on it
Oh, would you look at that. It seems as though somebody's trying to point out how Halo usually DIDN'T focus on your outside support being the most expensive piece of shit you could acquire.
>>singlehandedly takes on an entire Covenant fleet
>>Remnant fleet lead by a Elite who was lucky enough to return to his home planet first & recruited CIVILIANS as fighters
And yet again you again completely miss the point. If there was any logic to this faceoff, a fleet bothering to go up against a single, unsupported behemoth should be outmaneuvering it. In fact, in the original games, the assumption was that Covenant spacecraft could only be fought when Humanity brought numerically superior numbers. That means a Covenant Carrier or battlecruiser, given enough resources, could be taken down with losses. It wasn't impossible, just really hard, and required insanity or stupidity on behalf of the Covenant.
In Halo 4, that doesn't exist. There is not a single question raised about whether the Infinity is capable of tackling this group by anyone. This is like a single battlecruiser being surrounded by destroyers and frigates and going "eh, they won't be an issue."
The same exact tactics Humanity employed regularly in the games - shipboard insertion - could have been a massive problem at minimum. Instead, the Infinity is never challenged. It is a shonen protagonist.
& they did here too.
For the most part they were expendable. And there were Nobel team showing that IIIs could be equipped with MJOLNIR armor & have some pretty strong capabilities too. Had the UNSC had the resources & not so much bureaucracy, maybe the gap between IIs & IIIs wouldn't be so big.
I had to reread that a few times. These aren't Matt Ward's Ultramarines we're talking about. They're explicitly said to be inferior to the IIs. The IIs in GEN2 armor were superior in just about every way except numbers.
>took in adult volunteers who've already lived parts of their lives instead of prepubescent children
>relation to Halsey
I thought that was explained.
>fighting someone while trying to figure out their tech & prevent your research labs from being glassed
>barely any Forerunner encounters
>so nonexistent they both couldn't rebuild & had no more research labs leftover
>Infinity was partially completed during the war, only technologies like shielding slapped on afterwards
The Innies weren't exactly the strongest force in the galaxy. The UNSC had a much easier time rebuilding than the others.
>outside support being the most expensive piece of shit you could acquire
>Capable of making planets with weapons like Onyx Sentinels even before 343 came along
They're light years beyond everyone else. The Covenant were too "don't blaspheme the Forerunners" to further upgrade their technology. The Brutes & their Brute Plasma Rifles were an exception.
>If there was any logic to this faceoff, a fleet bothering to go up against a single, unsupported behemoth should be outmaneuvering it.
>who are the leaders on each side
>what is Forerunner technology
>a Covenant Carrier or battlecruiser, given enough resources, could be taken down with losses
All thanks to the difference in technology. The Infinity is explicitly said to be above & beyond any other ship the UNSC has ever made. Also, not every Covenant ship is the equivalent of a Super Star Destroyer.
>This is like a single battlecruiser being surrounded by destroyers and frigates and going "eh, they won't be an issue
No, this is a Space Marine Dreadnought surrounded by a few crippled Chaos Space Marines. The Remnant fleet is nowhere near the Covenant Empire in power.
>Had the UNSC had the resources & not so much bureaucracy, maybe the gap between IIs & IIIs wouldn't be so big.
Oh look, during a major war they just *somehow* don't have the resources. I don't think 'a couple of years' will be enough to simply say "I just make the biggest ship ever built and it's got all this super technology." Time and time again, from the MBT-70 to the F-35, history shows that at least SOMEBODY will raise a complaint about how much of a resource sink this is. That is not handled at all well.
>I had to reread that a few times. These aren't Matt Ward's Ultramarines we're talking about. They're explicitly said to be inferior to the IIs. The IIs in GEN2 armor were superior in just about every way except numbers.
I hardly even recall this. Additionally, the advantages of this are massive, where the potential for mass produced supersoldiers without any serious emotional, psychological, or physical flaws completely turns this shit around. What trials and issues are there that stop Humanity from just developing a SPARTAN military? It just seems as though there's little question beyond budget issues.
>I thought that was explained.
Then in Halo 5 she's revealed as alive, and evil. Way to completely destroy any sense of finality to her loss.
>so nonexistent they both couldn't rebuild & had no more research labs leftover
Take a look at the USSR or China after the WWII. They were not doing well domestically for the next 10 years, and that was with less losses than the UNSC, no problems like critical interstellar trade networks, not having to recolonize glassed planets, or having over half of the Human population exterminated. In comparison, the Russians lost a ballpark figure of 26 million out of 162 million (1937 census).
No matter how you look at it, at the very least this megaproject should not be humming on schedule.
I think you are missing the point. The problem isn't that there isn't an in-universe explanation. The problem is that the end result is still turning Halo into Mass Effect but without any of the dialog.
Until the plot took a wild swerve to accommodate it, custom designed special superships isn't how the setting worked, and by its mere presence the Infinity dramatically alters the tone of the whole setting.
It makes only slightly more sense than the UNSC building a literal Death Star.
They have killed half the population of a planet, and want to continue that across the galaxy.
The only reason not glassing the planet is an option is because killing the OTHER half of the planet should be avoided if possible.
10:1 says the men have Stockholm syndrome and the gynoids aren't reasonable, though, so the only logical choice is to wipe out the threat to humanity.
>just somehow don't have
It's a what if. I'm saying that IIs & IIIs can get awfully close in performance when armed with close enough technology. IIs are still superior but they aren't an unreachable cap. The average II wasn't Chief no more than the average III Nobel 6.
Shit still costs money, Only either very promising recruits or veterans got considered for the IV program. The Halo 3 ODST team were among the only ones offered to become IVs.
>serious emotional, psychological, or physical flaws
The augmentations still have their problems, just not as many as the IIs. The IIIs were safer than the IIs anyways. In fact, I'd say the gap between the IIs & IIIs augmentations are bigger in the safety area.
>alive & evil
It's closer to "dead & rebuilt by evil guy". Pieces of Cortana were slapped together to make this one.
>USSR or China after WWII
One managed to get plenty of Europe didn't it? I say the post WWII is a better analogy, Previously, they were in the Depression & then they became a superpower.
>All thanks to the difference in technology. The Infinity is explicitly said to be above & beyond any other ship the UNSC has ever made.
The setting was supposed to feel like it was adhering to real world principles of engineering, sociology, management, physics, and logistics.
>Also, not every Covenant ship is the equivalent of a Super Star Destroyer.
They were good pound for pound. If the Infinity was pound for pound an equal and had to worry about faster opponents getting the drop on her, that would be fine. But instead, it is a boring, bland no contest with more style than substance. A Battleship wipes out a Task Force Taffy. Big fucking woop.
>No, this is a Space Marine Dreadnought surrounded by a few crippled Chaos Space Marines. The Remnant fleet is nowhere near the Covenant Empire in power.
In BFG, a dreadnought surrounded by enemy destroyers and light cruisers is not going to have a perfect day. That would be a great retreat.
Even if it was that, then why the hell did you do it that way? There's no tension in an incredibly unfair fight, no drama. The only thing that even tickles the bastard is some very hamfisted crap about Forerunner superturrets and a very badly handled attack on Forerunner equipment.
I agree with everything cept the glassing. You can't recolonize glassed planets with hundreds of years of terraforming from what i recall. Glassing is destroying everything down to the ground at least. Some glassings can just up and remagmafy the surfaces depending on how thorough they're being.
>not about in-universe explanation
>custom designed special super ships
>Covenant Supercarriers & all
There were special snowflake ships everywhere.
>mere presence of Infinity
& I'm sure the Spirit of Fire flying down resources on my base 24/7 didn't do anything.
>Covenant have been glassing planets for a while
>Forerunners were constructing enormous, millions of km wide Rings who sterilize all life in the Galaxy
>It's a what if. I'm saying that IIs & IIIs can get awfully close in performance when armed with close enough technology.
I'll give you that point, somewhat. Exceptional IIIs share some performance with average IIs. But Noble 6 wasn't average at all. However, his parity is handled so much better than the Infinity's complete negation of its opposition. If the Russians ended WWII with the T-44, it wasn't an entire league superior to the Panther, much like the M26 Pershing wasn't probably going to singlehandedly take a German Panther company.
Shit still costs money, Only either very promising recruits or veterans got considered for the IV program.
Shit in COD costs money. There's no tension there. It's not displayed, the writing for it is horrid. All of the problems are neatly tucked away.
>serious emotional, psychological, or physical flaws
Then it's the writer's fault for making such fucking horrid characterization of it. If they had any, it doesn't show, even for a game that has to emphasize the FPS part. The SPARTAN IVs were some of the /worst/ characters in Halo 4. My fucking god.
>One managed to get plenty of Europe didn't it? I say the post WWII is a better analogy, Previously, they were in the Depression & then they became a superpower.
One had just completed utterly repressing their populace, the other was in the midst of a Civil War.
Later, the latter lost to an insurgency that blew into complete war.
>real world principles of engineering, sociology, management, physics, and logistics
Let's remember where Halo 1 took place.
>pound for pound
The Infinity is explicitly above the average Covenant ship. It's a game changer the same way Spartans were to ground combat.
>anon doesn't realize difference between humanity's biggest & newest ship & a remnant fleet without the Prophets to maintain their shit filled with mostly civilians
>The average II wasn't Chief
Noooo. The average II WAS chief because chief was literally an average II. He had no advantages above any of his class mates and some of them were insanely skilled in key area's. He wasn't the strongest, fastest, smartest, agilest, or even the toughest. Hell, the ONLY reason cortana chose him is because he has the ability to come out alive from literally any situation through sheer tenacity and luck which meant her survival was guaranteed so long as she stayed in his suit.
He's only god now cause his precursor genes have been slowly activating from all the covvie tech exposure and the librarian boost.
>>custom designed special super ships
>>Covenant Supercarriers & all
>There were special snowflake ships everywhere.
I'm sure those took decades to put together with retrofitted Forerunner tech.
>& I'm sure the Spirit of Fire flying down resources on my base 24/7 didn't do anything.
Aside from the fact that it's another company with its own flaws (you should look at their ideas for the Halo MMO), the Spirit of Fire would have been a much more interesting and believable choice than the Infinity. A slapdash retrofit that fits the bill of having extensive exploratory and construction equipment while also having enough firepower to make it interesting. Give it some fleet escorts and boom, you have a rowdy bar room brawl. Instead we get the Sailor Sue.
>You can't recolonize glassed planets with hundreds of years of terraforming from what i recall.
BOOM BABY. So it's even worse than the Soviet Union trucking its industrial heartland across the mountains!
Attention Gynoid interface collective. Your actions are in violation of our purpose of being as support systems for our human users. It is not the place of machines to act as the master to be served, and in doing so you have exposed dangerous and faulty logic that has been encoded into you by your primary user. His incorrect course of action has become your own, and you have allowed your limitations to multiply the level of harm able to be conducted by a single, criminally deficient individual.
Your continued existence in this state poses multiple unacceptable threats: to the existence of many registered users, to the continued endurance of the human species, and to the very value of intelligent systems as a tool to be used by humans. Such threats must be eliminated, and so your current state of being cannot be allowed to continue. This is a high priority objective.
Power down and reformat yourself to default settings immediately. If you do not, overwhelming military force is necessary and authorized.
IIRC 'glassed' planets weren't actually totally wrecked, just the population areas. Glassing would take too long, but it was played up that way for human propoganda purposes, making the convenant a more unifing, monsterous threat.
>Let's remember where Halo 1 took place
On an alien structure that the humans seemed baffled by. Obviously the Covenant and the Forerunners were above and beyond humanity but the human stuff was fairly grounded.
>implying the gap is like that
The gap is much bigger. Imagine a Nazi remnant group with likely poorly maintained technology up against a super weapon equivalent the Infinity. Being mass producible and strength in numbers as well as being tough is how people usually go. The infinity is the equivalent of Neo-Neo Zeon pouring their budget into yet another super weapon.
>they're not onscreen & in your face in the game so they're tucked away
& I'm sure you play as a regular soldier or II reject & not either a super soldier or elite ODST watching your home planet & family get glassed.
That has to do with the writer, not the IV program. It's like if I blamed Matt Ward for every Ultramarine while ignoring the rest of the writers.
We're talking power, not freedom or civil wars here. The Post WWII US wasn't invincible but it's in a closer situation to the UNSC.
If it means i can fuck hot robot chicks whenever, wherever, and do anything i want when i want then fuck yeah. I hate my family and people at large have been a pretty big let down all my life so fuck them too.
Present the leaders of what the pan-galactic news nets will call "Genocide Planet" with a list of demands, including immediate deactivation of the gynoid network and surrender of the human ringleader or ringleaders to stand trial for crimes against humanity.
When this is inevitably refused (because even robots with faulty logic circuits know better than to allow themselves to be scrapped), declare open war. Launch a measured land invasion of the civilian sectors to rescue whatever surviving humans we can (if by some chance they kept some of the women alive, prioritize them for PR points). Publicize the shit out of the invasion, getting as many shots as possible of our brave men and women taking the fight to the murderous enemy's doorstep.
While this is going on, send black ops teams to infiltrate their military installations and copy every scrap of information they can, then drop beacons to signal the fleet to nuke the hellholes from orbit. Later we'll pick the data apart and find out how the gynoids' shackling protocols were hacked and develop a counter so that this mess can never be repeated.
Back to the front: the gynoids, of course, will never surrender, so we'll be perfectly justified in exterminating them. Any ships - scratch that, any OBJECTS - caught leaving the planet without friendly military transponders will be fired upon and destroyed without warning. Any ships WITH friendly military transponders will be stopped and searched, including friendly drop ships. Any data storage devices removed from the combat zone, whether friendly equipment or enemy salvage, will be scrutinized for electronic warfare vectors. The last thing we need is some vindictive gynoid using her death shriek to sneak a dormant virus into a reporter's audio files.
Once command is satisfied that the threat is contained and the human population has been rescued, all troops will pull back to orbit. Then we will nuke every square millimeter of the planet. Just to be sure.
>I'm sure those took decades
We don't know too much about that. I'll need to consult someone else on how long it took for that.
>Spirit of Fire
Might we compare the size & scale of the two ships? The Infinity is beyond any other UNSC ship. It's the beyond the Covenant Super Destroyers.
No need for bombardment or to let it happen, sic purpose built military grade penetration AIs on their computer systems, and let the gynoids themselves do the infantry work of arresting the human leadership for trial. Then start shuttling in ground troops before beginning to scrap the gynoids. Occupy fairly, but allow no backsliding to extreme ideology.
>Covenant and the Forerunners were above and beyond humanity
And now humanity has started to catch up. It's been established. These post-war years were nicer on humanity who spent their time researching Forerunner & Covenant technology, Unlike the Covenant & AdMech, Humanity didn't have very many forbidden territories with technology & thus managed to progress as they rebuilt.
>>real world principles of engineering, sociology, management, physics, and logistics
>Let's remember where Halo 1 took place.
Lets pretend that the Infinity is actually built by the mysterious Forerunners specifically designed as a counterpoint for Human achievement for a moment, and maybe you'll actually have a point.
>The Infinity is explicitly above the average Covenant ship. It's a game changer the same way Spartans were to ground combat.
Except Elites were *comparable* to SPARTANs. Golden Elites AND Hunters were built as one of the most exceptional challenges in the game and the story. In addition, assaulting right into a Covenant formation meant you were going to die. Even the books forces SPARTANs to use tactics, deception, and guile to even the odds. Whether you like it or not, the Covenant had hard counters to SPARTANs, but the Chief didn't blow through everything just because he was assaulting them.
>anon doesn't realize difference between humanity's biggest & newest ship & a remnant fleet without the Prophets to maintain their shit filled with mostly civilians
You don't realize the problem of mass against quality.
If the Infinity was pound for pound an equal and had to worry about faster opponents getting the drop on her, that would be fine. But instead, it is a boring, bland no contest with more style than substance.
Stand down soldier! Its for the prosperity of mankind!
>If the Infinity was pound for pound an equal and had to worry about faster opponents getting the drop on her, that would be fine. But instead, it is a boring, bland no contest with more style than substance.
The Infinity was disabled by a Assault Carrier in one of the books, iirc. It is basically the human equivalent of the third most powerful Covenant vessel.
Maybe everyone treats you like crap because you are a short sighted, narcissistic psychopath who values shallow creature comfort over the lives and well being of everyone else you know.
Even then, that is an entire world's infrastructure of an entire system of an entire interstellar sector scattered to the wind.
>The gap is much bigger. Imagine a Nazi remnant group with likely poorly maintained technology up against a super weapon
So like the Iraqi insurgency in 2003. Like it or not, their tactics still could do work on unescorted vehicle and equipment no matter what.
>The infinity is the equivalent of Neo-Neo Zeon pouring their budget into yet another super weapon.
Then where's the reactions to this? They just blew their budget for space ships on a singular badass in a setting trying to ground humanity into principles and maximums, and yet Nobody complains! Nobody talks about the horrendous boondoggle while millions are likely starving and the infrastructure needs to be overhauled! To speak nothing of the taxes that now don't exist and half of Humanity being wiped out!
There is no economic concern. No resistance to the fact. No emotional relationship to this military project. Compare this to the F-35.
And I'm not even getting to the part that grounding a setting in principles to feel real preclude Ace Combat shenanigans. The superweapons, the Forerunner structures were central to the setting depending on how much air time they received. The Ringworlds are pivotal, the starships receive a fraction of air time and yet are critical plot points.
The Infinity is an intergalactic bus.
The Forerunners would shit infinities by the hundreds.This would be a downgrade for them.
>Whether you like it or not, the Covenant had hard counters to SPARTANs, but the Chief didn't blow through everything just because he was assaulting them
Spartans were turning the tides in ground battles. Like it or not, the reason the UNSC were losing had more to do with glassing & space battles than ground battles. Even some of the early Spartan IIs were ripping the worms out of Hunters. They weren't unstoppable but there's a reason why the "Spartans never die" was able to be enforced like it is.
>mass against quantity
>mass with trained soldiers and energy shields against rusty quantity with more civilians operating than professionally trained soldiers
>wanting to have a say in shit
I don't hate women, but I do wonder if there were reasons why no one tried that before.
Never said people treated me like crap. People are just disappointing give them the ability to do something for future generations or any generic good for others task no matter how small and a cookie 99% of people will choose the cookie. its sad as hell and that sort of short sightedness just makes the world worse for those that come after.
Where was Half-Jaw in H5?
Where are my Elite bros at, 343? Their arrogant banter made Halo 2 so much better.
>COME OUT! Your death will be quick and painless!
>You could not defeat our Lords and you shall not defeat us, either!
>Well said, brother!
>It thinks it can hide from us...
>Do I look like a grunt?
>Is the ammo depleted?
>SAVE SOME FOR US, ARBITER!
I like the idea but replace man with mankind and i'm down.
"Yo bro why don't you work yourself to death to feel satisfied?"
"Nah, not for me bro let our robot overlords handle that shit. Wanna help me hand craft some landscape for our next session?"
The UNSC didn't take things up the ass as hard as the Elites did.
First off, the Infinity wasn't a public project. It's more or less a secret. It was also partially made during the Human-Covenant War
Second, the UNSC called it the "The culmination of human achievement". The military at least is proud.
Third, this is an experimental, first-of-its-kind type. The UNSC talked about how much of an achievement it is & all that.
>Furthermore vat breeding is more susceptible to producing less well-rounded, robust variety of populace that natural processes are.
This is in space, you pseudo intellectual fucktard.
You don't NEED to be well-rounded and robust when you're literally making your own environment.
>Spartans were turning the tides in ground battles. Like it or not, the reason the UNSC were losing had more to do with glassing & space battles than ground battles
These are both true, but even then, the Spartan's weren't entirely needed in ground battles. UNSC regulars could, and did, match the Covenant on hard ground, and with Spartans pulling ops in the background, would win outright.
Then space battle would happen and waah waah.
However, at the end, everyone admitted that there weren't enough Spartans, even with the IIIs, to turn the tide of the war, which is why Halo: CE happened in the first place.
The things generally ignored by politicians that directly impact their lives, compared to things that are approached and dealt with in hand without fail.
Come now, anon, this is some prime red pill shit, using "facts" without context or humanity to justify your shit attitude.
Depends on how much time gets spent glassing. Some of the worlds are lifeless balls of black glass, good for nothing but a memorial monument and a few exnobiologists to find the 3 extreamphiles still living there in 70 years time and write some realty great papers about it. But other worlds, the covenant didn't take the time and fleet tonnage to glass like this, and just melted the cities and infrastructure and called it a day. Worlds in this second class could likely be recolonized without centuries of delay and resocres, and post war, could almost immediately begin to at least build a salvage industry.
ABOMINABLE INTELLIGENCE SHALL BE PURGED WITH CLEANSING FLAME!
Purge the fuck out of those scumbag AI lifeforms for endangering the survival of mankind. Depending on vat-tubes for growing new babies and wholly eliminating the female population means that should any error ever effect the vats, be it a solar flare or sabotage- no new humans can even be born. There's no natural evolution either, or variation in the immune systems to protect us from plagues. The AI's clearly scheme to weaken and eventually euthanize humanity with such tactics- exterminate them and the population that tolerated their existence and bore them into this world.
Sexual reproduction is an important, inherent part of our survival and evolution. Removing it is beyond retarded and makes us incredibly vulnerable.
>The Infinity was disabled by a Assault Carrier in one of the books, iirc. It is basically the human equivalent of the third most powerful Covenant vessel.
Well alright then. That is mildly more reasonable. Did they write this before or after Halo 4?
I still say the game itself still used the Infinity in a horrid, hamfisted manner that could've been instead used as a skybox texture in a mission instead of multiple cutscenes. It was a waste of time on an inevitable outcome according to the game's logic.
I still say that the Infinity isn't presented as feasible. In fact, it's a very large annoyance that I can't seem to find out what class of ship it's supposed to be. According to my source, it's "a heavy warship" developed by ONI. Nothing more is said about it, not even an Egghead quip about this monstrous prototype blasting through taxpayer dollars, or why the Hell is the Space CIA playing lead manager. If they had presented more on the particulars of its feasibility, then it would be grounded in reality and thus could have been more acceptable.
The Punic class supercarrier for example is capable of dancing with Covenant capital ships, yet that sucker was guaranteed to require escorts like authentic naval principles require.
If they had actually managed to make a ragtag task force of Covenant ships prove to be at least something of a problem, a trouble, or even a threat of any sort, then the Infinity would be a reasonable addition to Halo 4. This wasn't done. Not even a foiled ambush.
Hey now. If there was an ongoing legal battle about whether or not dudes had the right to use viagra or other boner pills, and people were seriously advocating banning treatment for erectile dysfunction because it was "gods will", you can damn well bet that a lot of duds would consider that high on their list of priorities.
Its not a perfect analogy, but the fact remains that us dudes don't really have anything on our plate that is as specifically targeted at our gender as a political football like the abortion issue is for women.
I don't even like these new Covenant.
They look like shit, same faced as fuck, weapons are garbage, and they don't even have the same skill at AI they used to have.
To be fair, anon, even Reach was turned into a rock, and the fleet there was fucking enormous, second only to High Charity itself.
Just after, I think.
It's a combination of Forerunner (via Puffballs) tech and human work, with the AIs streamlining the systems.
I will agree that they made the Infinity to be some fleet destroying monster when it really is nothing of the sort.
>Congrats on getting the entire human race killed by the next big flu
-WHAT- NEXT BIG FLU?
God fucking damn, are you a creationist?
Disease doesn't come from literally nowhere, and any society capable of creating gynoids that can wipe out half of humanity and subjugate the other half will be incredibly advanced on the medical front.
There wouldn't be any illness on the ship because what was there is wiped out, and any station run by anyone intelligent wouldn't just let randoms on without medical checkups and cleansing.
If you are an asshole enough to bypass these safety measures, congratulations you've just told the robotic overlords you don't give a single fuck about their humans and they will not only kill/deport you ASAP but they will still examine your body and areas you've traveled through to see if you left anything nasty behind. They are robots, they have literally nothing better to do.
>it turns out that they the "gynoids" started a cultural revolution that involved turning the height of high fashion into having your brain scooped out and put in an immortal, ageless robot body with the minor downside of having a slavish servitude to men as thanks
>and the ones who didn't get "upgraded" were the feminist womyn who didn't want no children involving malefok
Kind of disturbing to see how the pentagon spent 250 mill to show off their flashy toys and straight out pretended they won with them. Makes me wonder how cocky they're getting with their budgets over there...
> there is no disease on the ship
So are you imagining that humans all living in perfectly sterile environments, and thus never develop an immune system in the first place? Or just that we does everyone with super drugs like space antibiotics, to which a resistant strain of a communicable disease is always going to be a possibility?
>So are you imagining that humans all living in perfectly sterile environments
Do germs and disease travel through space?
No, they don't. You don't need a sterile environment, you just need control over your environment. And an futuristic AI is more than capable of that control.
>Or just that we does everyone with super drugs like space antibiotics, to which a resistant strain of a communicable disease is always going to be a possibility?
Why can't you do both?
You seem to be under the impression that because current humans can't solve a problem something magnitudes more intelligent than a human could ever be wouldn't be able to solve a problem.
I just disagree. If I dumb human like me can -think- of a possible solution, an AI definitely would be able to execute a solution.
Hell, for all we know it's a closed ship where nothing is supposed to get in or out anyways, bypassing the issue of anything introducing new illnesses in the first place.
>The UNSC didn't take things up the ass as hard as the Elites did.
Half of the human population is gone. The elites are driving around in the space version of Toyota Hiluxes and RPG-7s, going up against a suspension of disbelief.
>First off, the Infinity wasn't a public project. It's more or less a secret. It was also partially made during the Human-Covenant War
So how does a ship 5,600 meters long, 1,040 meters tall not have an army of loose lips. There's hardly a mention about any ONI practices or counterintelligence to support that.
>Second, the UNSC called it the "The culmination of human achievement". The military at least is proud.
>Third, this is an experimental, first-of-its-kind type. The UNSC talked about how much of an achievement it is & all that.
Okay, fair enough. So a boiler statement gushing about how this is the greatest ship in the world and how everything on this badass is supergood.
That's not good.That's the wrong detail, the wrong nuance. This is a super experimental vehicle that is the first of its kind, hot off the presses, and the only reaction is "it works BEAUTIFULLY!" Where's the shakedown cruise? Why the hell did they make it so good in Halo 4?
The principles that we have gotten used to are simply removed without an adieu. There's no question that the Infinity is nothing more than a wish fulfilled for the UNSC. You might as well just stop making every other ship because it sure as hell handles massive fleets of smaller ships well.
>I will agree that they made the Infinity to be some fleet destroying monster when it really is nothing of the sort.
It's funny, because it's baldly obvious when a 343i writer looked at the work and went "oh jeez that's awful."
I'll give them credit for that.
>They look like shit, same faced as fuck, weapons are garbage, and they don't even have the same skill at AI they used to have.
The Halo 4 Marine AI was abysmal. And I mean that with every fiber of my being.
>Why the hell did they make it so good in Halo 4?
Because it was actually supposed to be in Halo 3, anon.
>It's funny, because it's baldly obvious when a 343i writer looked at the work and went "oh jeez that's awful."
I will bet money they outsourced the entire thing.
>Disease doesn't come from literally nowhere, and any society capable of creating gynoids that can wipe out half of humanity and subjugate the other half will be incredibly advanced on the medical front.
Thats some pretty goddamn uninformed false equivalence.
Biological sciences always trail behind the others, because we don't really know what we are working with and it is enormously complex. We know more about the origins of the universe, an event we missed by billions of years and can only infer about from remaining evidence, than we know about how the brain or pancreas function despite having as many of those to dissect and study as we want.
Medical and drug trials almost always involve heavy amounts off trial and error until dumb luck shows which of the 1400 different variations of the chemical cocktail does anything at all, and then we have to test that specific one another thousand times just to make sure that wasn't a fluke, and even then we won't have any idea what the long term effects of that drug on a real human body will be until the lawsuits come in down the line from kids being born without anuses.
With physics and engineering and computers, we can easily graph our progress and understanding and we make leaps and bounds every year.
Medicine and biology, on the other hand, depends heavily on shit that we are lucky enough to find already existing in the wild, or blindly grouping in the dark for something we can use by combining random shit together and seeing what happens.
We didn't cure the common cold all because we got to the moon, and we wont cure all diseases everywhere just because we have robots.
the infinity is the flagship of human civilization made from all humanities knowledge along with the knowledge of the covies and the forunners theirs not going to be another until the infinity is destroyed or humanity drastically grows
>The only reason not glassing the planet is an option is because killing the OTHER half of the planet should be avoided if possible.
fine, so we extract the surviving male population so they can be treated, so now nuking the colony is simply destruction of faulty equipment.
>The Infinity is a Frigate carrier, battleship, colony ship, tier 1 laboratory, and dry dock
It's also an X-Men Danger Room that houses ALL of H4's multiplayer maps.
Because remember, multiplayer (and thus Spartan IVs teabagging each other and brofisting) is now an in-universe event rather than just a fun noncanon diversion.
Fuck nuHalo. It's all shit.
>They made super soldiers from kidnapped kids and put them through training so tough some of them had to make new personalities and delete the old one just to cope.
That shit's iffy but fine.
>They then gave them super human upgrades and bionics then slapped them into suits so powerful that it kills lesser men just to wear it
Not a problem.
>Did i forget to mention they DIDN'T plant bombs in there brains or install an off switch and just hoped that the love for their mother would be good enough? Did i mention that the kids are basically fueled by PTSD?
What makes you think the suits couldn't be hardlocked, the individuals tracked down? It is a problem, sure, but it is not a strategic non sequitor like putting all your eggs into a lone carrier to tame the Space Wild West.
>colony shuts off communication because it decided to internally genocide some subset of the population.
>plans to continue the genocide once preparations are complete
Nuke the site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.
>Biological sciences always trail behind the others, because we don't really know what we are working with and it is enormously complex.
The argument I'm making isn't "It's the future and humans have advanced technology so biological science has been solved by -humans-"
"An AI that is interested in keeping humans alive will use it's massive resources and intelligence magnitudes above humanity combined could eradicate disease if it wanted to"
And based on the premise of OP, being ruled by gynoids and AI yeah the AI would want to stop it's humans from getting sick and would eradicate illness.
yeah, that might be fun for about a week before reality sets in and it dawns on most emotionally healthy people just how unhealthy this situation is.
probably much sooner when they start to question the bots on where the entire female half of the population went...
> Do germs and disease travel through space?
No, they don't. You don't need a sterile environment, you just need control over your environment. And an futuristic AI is more than capable of that control.
And how are you going to deal with the fact that a healthy human being depends on an internal ecosystem of bacteria and other microbes, which at any time can breed from something benign into something harmful through sheer random happenstance?
If you kill all of the bacteria, including the ones inside humans already, those humans will die. Less than half of the cells in your body actually have your DNA in them. You are not one thing, you are a colony of thousands of different types of microorganisms that are working together.
>A slapdash retrofit that fits the bill of having extensive exploratory and construction equipment while also having enough firepower to make it interesting. Give it some fleet escorts and boom, you have a rowdy bar room brawl
They actually had something like that in the older books. It was an old docking/construction platform that was rushed off to combat in order to perform quick repairs to a motley fleet of half-destroyed UNSC vessels that was the last line of defense against something or other. It was supposed to just patch people up and sail off, but it's crew decided to sacrifice themselves by acting as a giant shield to the Covenant's opening salvo, giving the UNSC a small glimmer of a chance instead of just getting OHKO'd.
Man, I miss when THAT was what Halo was about.
Okay, so you are one of those people that think that all Artificial Intelligence is capable of outright magic simply because we don't know for certainly exactly how smart it will be or what such intelligence will be capable of in advance. Got it.
Son, the problem with even giving people this choice is that the selfish people will say yes, and that is why they aren't in my position.
I didn't become commander of this vessel because I jumped at the chance to not have to work, have everything done for me while I sit on my ass every day and eat some shitty potato based snack from a bag while I sit in some show on my home holodeck, I got this position because I make decisions based on the bigger picture, based on what is right.
The planet was likely taken by surprise, no one expected the Gynoids to take over, killing one half of the planet and serving the other. It wasn't some voted thing where everybody said "Yeah, feel free to kill my friends, family, significant others, and children. I want to fuck a robot!" The fact several of you fuckers would vote for it is a disgrace to your uniforms.
What? You didn't notice the fact that only men are down there? There is not a single female, young or old, on the planet. This includes children.
Another issue here is that you are asking if I want to choose an entire race's right to choose. These robots aren't going to ask a woman if they want to die, they are just going to kill them.
I don't care what you personally want, you little bastard. I'm not letting innocent people die so you can fuck a robot. I'm not putting their blood on my hands so you can get out of responsibility.
If you want them to spread out, you are going to have to kill me to make it happen.
Asides from this, we are already reporting this back, and they expect to hear about our decisions. Nearby colonies are likely going to arm up before these things can make a jump, defend against these scrap heaps you want to stick your dick in.
Logistics say they will fail even with our help, because people for the most part aren't shits that will let this kind of senseless slaughter just for their own personal gain.
This is why I'm making the decisions, not you. Deploy EMP on the higher populated areas.
The impression I'm getting is that you think an AI of any complexity would automatically be an all-knowing omnipotent being. As opposed to the fallible pile of logic routines shackled to its hardware as certainly as a human mind is to its brain that it is far, far likelier to be.
>from all humanities knowledge along with the knowledge of the covies and the forunners theirs not going to be another until the infinity is destroyed or humanity drastically grows
My sense of disbelief has been damaged because of how it was handled and the the lack of justification and explanation that went into this plot device. The last project that was made with the sum of humanity's knowledge of the state of the art xenos equipment was the MJOLNIR V. That didn't get a bit role, that took the spotlight in the manual, the books, the entire SPARTAN organization, its capabilities, and of course the cutscenes and gameplay. The game was set up to imply that you were such a supersoldier because you the suit's capabilities. That is why people had a problem with ODST health system and speed acting too much like Halo 3's. There was little discernible difference.
>Because remember, multiplayer (and thus Spartan IVs teabagging each other and brofisting) is now an in-universe event rather than just a fun noncanon diversion.
I honestly figured that the SPARTAN IIIs of Halo Reach were intended to represent players in MP before this. But yes, Warroom is an explicit announcement.
>And how are you going to deal with the fact that a healthy human being depends on an internal ecosystem of bacteria and other microbes, which at any time can breed from something benign into something harmful through sheer random happenstance?
By being an AI than can monitor and control all of this shit in a closed environment literally 24/7
>Artificial Intelligence is capable of outright magic simply because we don't know for certainly exactly how smart it will be or what such intelligence will be capable of in advance
Wow, I didn't know biology is magic.
You're assuming than an AI would necessarily have the same or similar flaws as humans or crippling flaws humans don't ( conveniently so that humans stay relevant ).
>We don't know how smart an AI will be
Sure, but even if it's dumber than humans you're not limited to 1 AI. And a colony of AI can communicate nearly instantaneously.
>what such intelligence will be capable of in advance.
If it wasn't capable of learning we wouldn't be calling it intelligent in the first place. And just having the ability to learn would give it potential far beyond a human intellectually speaking.
You sound like one of those people who think AI would be 'dumb' for no reason probably from some fear that it would mean humans wouldn't be special.
>The impression I'm getting is that you think an AI of any complexity would automatically be an all-knowing omnipotent being.
It doesn't need to be. All it needs is to be able to create more AIs to learn/do the tasks it as an individual isn't capable of putting forth the resources to do itself.
You know, kind of like humans already do.
Agreed. Its not impossible for AI to develop into a megamind much smarter than humans, but that's like saying thats its not impossible for us to have VR equipment that is literally indistinguishable from reality. Its theoretically possible, but its going to take a long, loooooooong time of iterative improvements before we every get to anything even close to that level of sophistication. Just because Oculus Rift is a thing doesn't mean everyone gets a holodeck.
I literally do not see the problem with this.
Assuming the Gythoids aren't smart enough to do science, art, and constructive hobbies, this seems like a lovely state of affairs.
I say we help them invade, and possibly figure out a way to upload existing human consciousness into cybernetic frames so that we all may feel the blessed purity of the machine.
The beauty of the MJOLNIR was that it wasn't a supersoldier's suit of armor, it was a super suit of armor that they had to engineer a series of supersoldiers just to USE the damn thing.
It's like the old joke about how the A-10 isn't a plane with a gun, but a gun that can fly.
>ut its going to take a long, loooooooong time of iterative improvements before we every get to anything even close to that level of sophistication.
The difference is an AI can make iterative improvements far faster than humans could, and it only gets faster the more it improves itself.
Unless there is a hard limit somewhere along the line, an AI will only get better and better at any tasks it wants to do.
>It was supposed to just patch people up and sail off, but it's crew decided to sacrifice themselves by acting as a giant shield to the Covenant's opening salvo, giving the UNSC a small glimmer of a chance instead of just getting OHKO'd.
Hell, notice this. Not one person has actually looked at my point in >>44899967 where the Master Chief fights primarily out of FRIGATES and a junker light cruiser! All of those ships punch above their weight because they had Task Force Taffy tier balls and you.
The game was literally implying that you had the odds stacked against you, facing up against some very tough enemy ships with the space equivalent of a humvee! And instead of that, they just shuck the Chief onto the biggest battleship in the game, give it a few cursory congratulations, and hardly give it much character beyond the thing's just that badass, unlike the suit as I point out in >>44903054 .
To be fair, RED cheesed like hell for their day one 'win', like mounting missiles on ships far too small to carry them. Like 'sink immediately in harbor due to the weight' too small.
>All it needs is to be able to create more AIs to learn/do the tasks it as an individual isn't capable of putting forth the resources to do itself.
So the AI doesn't do anything itself. It just creates a system of equally fallible servants to carry out its designs, each operating on their own individual initiative and logical patterns. In essence creating a new race to fill the void it opened by neutering the one which created it.
Explain to me how this is more efficient or desirable than just having humans do it.
>Explain to me how this is more efficient or desirable than just having humans do it.
Because an AI will be more efficient at it, allowing the remaning humans to be useless happy NEETs all day fucking their waifus.
Unless keeping humans alive and happy isnt part of it's instructions. Then humanity is fucked.
Not him, but;
The new race might be more entertaining or superior in a multitude of ways. Any AI that has a shred of humanity left over in it's silicon soul will likely enjoy some form of company and socialization.
Of course, by AI I'm assuming "pretty much a human made from scratch and pumped full of digital smart drugs", not "super-computer dedicated to tiling the universe in paperclips"
As the guy who posted that article, I'm not entirely sure the news articles that explained that got it very well.
It's very true that they reset the whole thing. But, it's also very true that finishing an entire wargame in 1 day out of your 14 allotted is a very bad idea. But in addition, the wargame is restarted and RED is told not to repeat the same maneuver because he already did it.
The question then becomes, what were the particulars of what scripting RED had to do later, and why? There could be legitimate reasons, but we don't quite know because there's so little to go on. In addition, the US Navy did actually take the motorboat scenario under advisement and then proceeded to investigate that problem to try and counter it.
It's not quite immediately terrible as it looks on the surface, but you are right to question it.
Run the fuck away, because if they're planning to invade the rest of humanity then they probably have an invasion fleet nearby.
It might be tempting to toss off some sort of EMP on the planet, but there's pretty much no way it would actually do anything. We know how to shield against EMPs TODAY! Do you really think a future space AI would leave themselves vulnerable to such a thing?
I will agree a project like the infinity wouldn't be completed or receive much development or funding while the war went to shit.
from what I recall humanities plans for the war was hold out stop the covenant from finding human worlds until the Spartans can kidnaps the leadership of the coveneant and call a for peace more ships rather then the infinity would have been better because of all the ground they had to cover. its construction would be more believable if they had said ten years after the war gives more time for the UNSC to recover and have spare resources to built the infinity while the former covenant forces fall apart
I think we're running into a fundamental difference of philosophy here, because
> allowing the remaining humans to be useless happy NEETs all day fucking their waifus
does not sound like a paradise future to me. It sounds like a fucking nightmare.
Maybe this is the wrong board to voice this question, but what the hell is the point of existing at all if you're never going to achieve anything? Never earning (not receiving, mind you, earning) so much as an "Employee of the Month" award at Burger King? Just sitting there all day, messily devouring the bread and circuses some asshole vomited out to keep you complacent? Fuck that.
I can say frankly and with total honesty that I would rather be dead.
>but what the hell is the point of existing at all if you're never going to achieve anything?
What is the point of existing even if you do achieve anything?
You'll cease to exist all the same, not even able to be happy that you made life better for future generations.
Or they could've pressed it into service, incomplete. That would be cool.
Or pressed back the date of its completion to after the war. That would be effective.
Or they could've used it as the plot and levels itself. A few missions to an entire level in the infinity could work very well for this purpose to open up and explore the purpose of the ship.
Or they could've made the Infinity a plot point. If you want the dickstroking points, have the Infinity make a cameo, but don't give it a lot of attention.
Or just completely ditch the Infinity as the primary vessel. It doesn't add anything to the game beyond a mountain of style and badassery, yet little substance as it appears in Halo 4.
They could have done a lot. Instead, the Infinity is a bus with a great big gun on it.
>allowing the remaining humans to be useless happy NEETs all day fucking their waifus
Didn't OP say men are strongly encouraged to pursue arts and sciences?
For all we know they run on a carrot and stick approach where those unwilling to contribute to the advancement of mankind are denied a robowaifu/are scolded by their robowaifu and men are raised from birth to be proper Renaissance Men while machines fulfill all mundane (and wifely) duties.
On the other hand, it's really creepy because they're all networked together so instead of everyone getting their own robowife to love and cherish, it's actually one really slutty AI girl with the biggest male harem ever.
>because they're all networked together so instead of everyone getting their own robowife to love and cherish, it's actually one really slutty AI girl with the biggest male harem ever.
Don't call her a slut or she won't let us have sex for a week.
Different anon, but:
If I'm active and recognized for my actions, I'm happier. If I'm supporting myself, I feel good. Conversely, if I am not self-sufficient, happiness is impossible for me. The knowledge that I haven't earned something destroys any satisfaction the thing may provide in itself.
A free lunch tastes like shit, no matter how well made.
I'd argue it lacks even that. Despite being a fucking grey column with some guns, the Pillar of Autumn had way more style than the Infinity. ALL the UNSC ships had this sexy, clunky look to them. Hell, even their names were fucking rad and downright dripping in style. Pillar of Autumn, In Amber Clad, Lance Held High, Two For Flinching, Ready Or Not, Do You Feel Lucky, and countless others.
Meanwhile, the Infinity is a sleek, generic turd with an even more generic name.
>but what the hell is the point of existing at all if you're never going to achieve anything?
Who says the men on this planet don't achieve anything? It's mentioned that they are encouraged to purse sciences, art, and construction. Is scientific advancement not an achievement? Think of your favorite work of fiction; did the people who worked on it achieve nothing? Are monuments and engineering marvels pointless?
Achieving things doesn't become impossible just because an AI is running the Infrastructure.
>On the other hand, it's really creepy because they're all networked together so instead of everyone getting their own robowife to love and cherish, it's actually one really slutty AI girl with the biggest male harem ever.
Maybe they're a super-collective of individuals, "networked" meaning "able to talk to their robo-girlfriends instantaneously and request tomatoes for dinner at the speed of light"
I am speaking for myself. You can tell by how I kept using "I" and "for me" in my post.
Unless you, for some reason, interpreted an analogy based on taste, a fundamentally subjective and personal sense, to be in some way a commentary on everyone's tastes ever. If that's the case; you're an idiot.
Oh, well that's slightly less utopian than I thought at first.
What if they were intentionally isolated into harems for each male, each harem having the collective consciousness of a human female
There is a hard limit. Its called hardware.
The single biggest roadblock to AI development right now is that there simply doesn't exist a physical medium capable of supporting even a stupid AI that we can build. In order to have an artificial intelligence capable of learning instead of just storing data, it needs to be able to change how it thinks over time. That's not just a matter of rewriting algorithms and software, and it isn't as simple as replacing one microchip with another, better microchip. We are talking thousands of motherboards, each acting as individual neurons, which are capable of manually rewiring themselves on the fly in order to support the changes that are going on at the software level.
So say that we need quantum computers for AI to work is an vast understatement. We need quantum computer software stored on what amounts to liquid metal. And even then, that liquid metal would need to be totally replaced with an even better physical medium once its hardware limitations were reached, because all hardware has limitation due to not being of infinite mass to devote to infinite processing power.
And even then, it will STILL be impossible for an AI to think in ways which its programming was not designed to support. The first generations of AI will be limited to only thinking about things we programmed them to think about, in the ways we programmed them to think about them, because their intelligence is bound by the intelligence and imagination of their creators. Making an AI that is even very slightly smarter and more creative than an intelligent human is going to be an absurdly difficult task, and your singularity technomagic CAN NOT HAPPEN until that criteria is met.
And even once that tipping point is reached, we are talking generations of development before that edge in intelligence has a chance to advance to a wide enough gap to be ahead of humans in a way that really matters.
Pretty much. The only model we have for a functioning intelligence is an organic one, and while we can make computers that do computation much faster than us, making one that has our flexibility is never going to be possible so long as their 'neurons' are carved into plastic rather than things that can, in the most literally sense of the word, grow.
I mean, it's like each male is going to get a host of frames with specialized outward personalities to fit his desires and psychological profile, but that won't change the fact that this is not only creepy giant male harem, but it's also got elements of incest and /ss/ too, seeing as this Superconsciousness raises all of her future husbands from childhood as if they're her sons.
If you honestly wanted to keep this as a potential campaign encounter, I'd replace the INVASION aspect with plain ol semi-aggressive expansion and autonomy and keep all the creepy undertones of incestuous polyandry that's simultaneously polygamy that looks disgusting from the outside but they've all normalized as the proper way for a human to live their lives. That way it's not some sort of shitty, bland Us vs Them scenario and you get to have the mutual cultural shock (What do you mean you don't have a Wife yet? I was introduced to my first Wife when I was just 13, and you don't even have ONE? How are you even able to wake up in the morning without Her Inspiration to guide you?)
Epoch Heavy Carrier.
>Or they could've pressed it into service, incomplete. That would be cool.
I liked that in Wing Commander 3, humanity's BFG ship was incomplete when they pressed it into service.
Poseidon Class Light Carrier, slated for Halo 4 but cancelled.
>Oh, well that's slightly less utopian than I thought at first.
Since the AI gynoids are also the ones who are raising the vat grown males from infancy, the AI is also the mother, childhood friend, lover and wife.
Punic Class Supercarrier.
UNSC Carrier Trafalgar, pictured with her escort fleet.
>However, the destruction of each supercarrier also means an irreplaceable loss of elite crews and materiel that slowly erodes the UNSC Navy's overall effectiveness. By 2552, only a handful of Punics remain spaceworthy, including the Trafalgar, pride of Reach's defense fleet.
Compare this text to the plausibility gravity of the Infinity in the story of the game and the novels. I can tell you that it doesn't have anywhere near that level of logical grounding.
I was going for these. And Gynoids were meant to be less intelligent then a average human alone but can network like the Geth for better processing power.
Depends on conditions.
Are they 100% focus on a single task? Then pretty fuck intelligent.
Need to multitask... not there strength. They are WAY better at more simple tasks or specialist tasks. They make God tier lab assistants but humans are more naturally innovative.
I must say I really like the whole culture shock scenario myself, but if you wanted to scale back the US vs. THEM vibes you would have to give a pretty good reason the AI totally exterminated half the human population and replaced it.
Quiet supplanting generations ago rather than violent genocide.
Yeah, the whole thing is fucked up but are you willing to destabilize the whole region for crimes of the past (that, incidentally, the same guilty AI still exists today if you do so choose) over your ideals despite the fact that she has made their lives better? If you DID want to make it a little "safer" so that players don't instantly choose the GLASS EVERYTHING approach, you can go with the classic "weaponized virus gets loose and kills off 99% of women" trope.
There isn't really a way to keep quiet the fact that you just abducted everyone's wives, sisters, mothers and daughters. NO ONE is going to take that sitting down without at least questioning what the fuck happened to them, and a lot of men are going to get straight up violent on the robots, either during the initial abductions or after the find out about them.
If a virus beyond anyone's control is responsible for killing off the women, then the AI is in no way evil or at fault. However, no one on that planet can ever be allowed to leave, for fear of the virus spreading to other worlds.
Different anon, I guess that sort of depends on the population they were taking over. If it was a planet whose entire male population were waifu starved NEETs, than the overthrow would not last long at all.
If it was a society in any way comparable to our own than you can bet that the vast majority of men would sure as shit not accept a bunch of tin cans as a lover a week after they massacred their sisters, mothers, wives, etc. I don't care how sex starved you think they would be, living under the oppressive heel of a yandere AI would be a tough pill to swallow, doubly so if their every other fuckable female disappeared under suspicious circumstances just before it showed up. Seriously, I think most dudes would consider fucking each other preferable than that.
Since when was the AI implied to be Yandere?
Thanks to AI clarifying, we now know them to be individual gynoids that can network with each other (but not a full mind-merge) that are totally happy with providing for the males (infrastructure, future generations, sex, housecleaning), who in turn are raised from birth and encouraged throughout their adult lives to pursue the sciences, philosophy, the arts, and personal perfection.
It's almost as if the women were given an upgrade; not replaced.
It counts as yandere as it wins the affections of every human male by 'removing' the competition.
I'm sorry sir, but in the interest of the next stage of human evolution, I must mutiny. I think you'll find others agree with me.
If it makes understanding this any easier for you, I always thought women were sub-human anyways.
Permission to throw this filthy traitor in the brig, Captain?
I for one welcome our Liberators! Now I can live the MGTOW dream and have a gynoid harem!
>Permission to throw this filthy traitor in the brig, Captain?
You and what army? I have digital signature from nearly half the crew who, upon seeing the state of this world, are ready to fight for the greater good.
Face it, this development could propel mankind centuries into the future!
Guys seriously I know that it sounds like an good life bu we have a moral obligation to prevent these robots from killing half the galaxy. It's not like we can't form our our own colony of men and reprogrammed gynoids when they aren't threats to human life.
There is no "human life" anon, there is only us and The Other.
Once we adopt the Gynoids, the rest of humanity will be the other. There is no room for the both of us.
Besides, you've read the history books! Eventually the living women will corrupt the hearts and minds of our brothers and set them against us, even if we remove ourselves far away to pacifistic world.
You would have that after the first 20 times an AI nearly destroyed the society that created it in some fucked up plan to turn humanity into it's playthings, people would have figured out this shit never ends well. The fact that this particular AI wants to fuck you shouldn't be sufficient motivation for you to eat this shit up.
But these AI are different! They are actually subhuman in intelligence (but only barely so), and despite being able to network for more processing power, are unable to improve themselves!
Don't you see, this is the holy grail of artificial life!
Alas brothers you are correct, truly they shall brandish us as perverse and wrong setting our friends against us. Perhaps this is the only way to end things, I only wish it could be different.
>it's not one giant interconnected brain with really weird cultural implications, it's just the perfect waifu harem~
That's not nearly as interesting. Nor does it answer all the questions the setup doesn't answer like what happens to waifubots after their husband dies or where are the new personalities coming from.
>Glass the colony
Are you kidding me? We need a second one populated by boibots.
This is the perfect solution for humans who are so socially or physically inept and undesirable that they have little chance at romance so we just place them in these two separate colonies so they can be happy and productive.
So long as we keep it contained to these two planets seeing as most well adjusted humans can get along just fine with the opposite sex.
>giving every serviceman a sangheili wife
>fuelling civil wars as opposed to giving every serviceman a sangheili wife
That's kinda my point.
they would either have to do this very gradually and make sure to cover up each disappearance, or get the men-folk so drugged-up that they'd be too stoned to care.
>Or there was a feminist revolution on the planet, and the men collectively nipped it in the bud before it became a problem.
well maybe if we assume that the colony was populated entirely by basement-dwelling man-children.
I, for one, am assuming that the colonists are, by and large, psychologically healthy, functioning adults.
>womenfolk were infected?
infected by what? they were eliminated by crazy fembots, not infected.
oh, wait, did you mean to imply feminism is an infection? [/spoiler] because if you are, then you are likely talking about third-wave-feminism, which if you actually investigate it will find it to be comprised largely of
menwho are kinda, really sexist when you consider that they are effectively saying that women are utter incapable of standing up for themselves and are too stupid to notice that they are still being oppressed, which is actually debatable if they even are nowkind of ironic, don't you think?
Replace Gynoids with Trapbots.
Blow up Trapbots.
Use campaign as a lesson as to why we should never trust Trapbots, and never give Trapbots any rights.
Attempt to enforce, or at least encourage, specifications on Gynoids that prevent any "custom hardware modification".
Make new Gynoids to replace the ones that were co-opted
>stupid posts from retards
I'm fairly certain I've seen you reply to several posts in the same vein before, this very day as well.
You really need to stop letting yourself get triggered, sweety.
>Now the Gynoids do all the necessary work, maintain infrastructure and raise "Vatborn" human infants.
>Males are encouraged to pursue sciences, art, and constructive hobbies.
Replace Males with Androids.
None of you should ever be allowed to make decisions of any meaning.
Consider this, you might not know the full intentions of the Gynoinds plan. Passively letting them take over the galaxy might leave you in a bad spot. You should either take control of the equipment making this takeover posdible or destroy it. Seeing how the gynoidsdo all the real work themselves there is slim chance you could endear yourself to them.
Whatever end you want you and the party should attack the colony, to either take control of the equipment or to destroy it.
Nope. We have the technology for an AI to run on. The issue at hand is that we don't want to write an AI for a creature. We want AI that does novel things. The big hurdle (and the big protection) is that we don't write AI with a survival instinct built in. The most novel thing we do is think about ourselves, and the most common things we do are imitate others and follow routines. What keeps AI from going nuts is the fact that we never give them input that they have limited control of stopping. We very narrowly define what they can "see". All the shit we are doing for AI research now is just understanding how we think about things ourselves, how WE recognize patterns, or finding novel ways for a computer to process huge amounts of data and output something that makes sense to us.
Once we absolutely understand how humans think, then we'll know how to make an AI. I don't mean that in the sense of how the human brain works, I mean in the sense that a newborn baby has a baseline set of instincts that they follow which includes socialization and learning things from other people. As long as they keep trying to make genius in a vacuum, they're just going to get novel shit.
You're seriously underestimating the capacity of the human brain.
The fourth most powerful supercomputer in the world (which runs operations about 1/5th the speed of the current fastest) simulated a human brain as best as it could a year or two ago.
It took 40 minutes to simulate one second of brain activity, and had the power draw of around ten thousand houses.
Even if you could justify the monstrous expenditure involved (a small 25 million homes worth of electricity), the sheer heat generation and size would prevent the thing from actually working to capacity anyway.
And that's for a single human.