Roleplaying a hot woman as a man? That's gay. Roleplaying an ugly woman as a man? That's gay and you have some issues. Roleplaying a hot man as a man? That's hella gay. Roleplaying an ugly man as a man? That's gay, and your standards are terrible.
>>44813573 >"Well, I don't allow crossplaying because women and men have different psychologies and I don't be trust my players to roleplay them faithfully." >lets his players play Elves, Dwarves, Wizards, Priests, etc. despite players not being any of those things and the fact that all those things would have a vast different psychology from a normal, modern Human
>>44814879 >races that live for hundreds of years >in fact, they don't reach maturity until they're almost a century old >who spend almost the entirety of their lives surrounded by green forest/subterranean environment >and who are obsessed with magic and nature/mining and forging >not psychologically different from a modern Human
Even Medieval Human psychology is almost too alien for a Modern Human.
>>44814849 Guys always play women as 1) themselves, and everyone is constantly forgetting the character is supposed to be a woman, 2) a huge turboslut that hits on everything that moves 3) their waifu.
>>44813573 >"hey DM could I play as a female character?" >"What? No, you're a guy. That's too weird. You have to make a male character." >proceeds to make jokes with another player about his elf starting a gay relationship with my paladin
>Women >Adventurers No one would stand for that shit. You're stronger than average and an exception to the general "women are weak" rule? Good, you would make a better mother than an adventurer because you would birth strong children. Maybe you should be doing that instead.
There is a reason women don't fight in wars, and it's not because exceptional women never existed.
>Have that one guy in the group who always plays females >RPs himself with boobs >Draws his characters with giant tits as borderline porn >His PC's gender never comes up in game for any reason >Other members refer to "her" as a male in and out of game
>>44815123 Out of my small gaming group of irl friends, he's the most consistent and tries to come up with complex character backgrounds and stories, but they are always white, and have blonde hair and blue eyes
>>44814064 >Option 2 works in vast majority of the cases Only if you count eventual suicide as a "successfully eliminating dysphoria", to which I have to begrudgingly agree but still feel obligated to point out your methods are obscenely inefficient
>>44815296 >>we No, Anon, you don't understand, all of his friends are there helping him write his posts. That's what normal people do, all of my friends are here too helping me post on 4chan and pick funny images and so on. That's how ALL normal people post on 4chan. I mean, who would just spend hours of their life alone in their rooms, silently typing and chuckling at greentext without having any friends to share it with? That would just be depressing.
>>44815383 had a character that wanted to become a lich because it was the most economically safe way to become immortal, of course there was vampirism but the blood was the problem. being undead and simply having a permanencied gentle repose works well enough to keep himself presentable.
if people whine, remind them whos boss and who holds the money. If clerics and "Kill dah undeads" types come knocking, wizard it.
...Maybe You guys should find some more mature friends to play with. In my group, people cross play all the time, and no one gives a fuck. The one time a newcomer asked why, everyone just shrugged and asked "why not?", and he couldn't come with any counter points.
And as the GM of the group. I don't give a fuck, because I kinda have to roleplay as females every now and again, so I don't really care what my players play as.
>>44815503 I kinda want to play an undead, but at the same time all the Liber Mortis fluff put me off it. I get it's the point, but stagnation and entropy, a person eternally frozen in a moment, is something I would prefer to run as an NPC
>>44813573 I admit. I don't get why people want to rp a gender other than their own without there being some sort of fetishization to it. I'll also state that I've never seen it done without there being some fetishization.
I mean if you're going to claim that there's no significant difference between the sexes, then why does it matter to you so much that you play a gender different from your own?
If you're playing another gender specifically because of (nonmechanical, therefore nonmin-maxing) differences, then I do believe you've fetishized them to some extent.
Do I necessarily believe that this is absolutely straight up wank material? No. Do I think there's a lot more to it than most people are willing to admit, absolutely. Do I give a shit whatever their motives? Generally no.
>>44815790 >I admit. I don't get why people want to wear a color other than red without there being some sort of fetishization to it. I'll also state that I've never seen it done without there being some fetishization.
>>44815790 >I mean if you're going to claim that there's no significant difference between the sexes, then why does it matter to you so much that you play a gender different from your own?
This question cuts both ways. Why does it matter to you that everyone play a character of the same gender? The whole point of roleplaying is the opportunity to be something you're not. None of us are barbarians or wizards or genius inventors or space marines and none of us ever will be.
And if your GM is good at immersive worldbuilding, playing as a different gender can be an interesting experience. As an example from video games, Fallout New Vegas gives you a different experience playing as a female despite the fact that your stats are unchanged. Your interaction with certain NPCs, particularly those of the Legion, change depending on your gender. And you can take a flirting perk that adds even more unique interactions. This is a fun experience for some people because it's something they'll never get to do IRL. It's not necessarily fetishization any more than wanting to experience what it's like to be a guy with split personality syndrome by playing Everyone Is John is fetishization of that condition. It's just simple human curiosity.
>>44815800 Problem is everyone has a different definition of "racist" and "homophobic" these days. Some neo-leftists are even trying to redefine the word "racist" such that it can only ever apply to white people. Pic related.
You can get called racist for not supporting affirmative action quotas, or homophobic for thinking that cake shops should be free to sell to whoever they want.
The more you expand the definition of words like "racist", the smaller and more exclusive the pool of non-racists becomes. If non-racist is an ultra-exclusive club then it becomes natural to come up with a new term for them.
>>44816116 >This question cuts both ways. Why does it matter to you that everyone play a character of the same gender? It doesn't matter to me. >The whole point of roleplaying is the opportunity to be something you're not. None of us are barbarians or wizards or genius inventors or space marines and none of us ever will be. What you're leaving out is that quite often roleplaying is putting you in the shoes of someone that you can't be, but want to be.
>in the next paragraph you describe mechanical differences So I'm not going to bother beyond the last bit "not necessarily fetishization" to which I'll point you to where I specify people who insist on playing opposit genders.
>>44816116 >Problem is everyone has a different definition of "racist" and "homophobic" these days. I was talking about this thread specifically where people talk shit about gays or trans people, then get mad when you call them homophobic, etc.
It always plays out the same way in other threads too >anon says some stormfront-tier shit >call him racist >"OMG FUCK OFF SJW"
>>44814064 >tried Except these dellusional cunts dont have dysphoria, I am tired of seeing wimpy teenagers crying that they must be females because some ebil jock bullied them or because they dislike monster trucks or whatever weird notion of masculinity they possess. Actual dysphoria cases are more like the ones I see on grown men who realize they really don't want it despite actually having lived like men, as opposed to these shits who never once were more than wimps who excuse their wimpihood with "I-I was a girl all along!"
tl;dr Transsexuals are the gender role version of "I was merely pretending to be retarded"
>>44816362 >in the closet Not really? More like they actually know what being a men is before they say they dislike it. A gay will of course know what a goddamn woman is.
Knowing what - being - a man is? A bit harder. It's tiresome to see ADHD acne-ridden nerds who always pursued women and acted like a failed version of a male (and nothing at all like a female) and that act like spergs excuse their spergyness with "I was just a girl desu". They never knew how to be male to begin with. Often they never had a father figure of any worth and were mommas boys' too.
This is also why many of these shits also believe being a woman is like their yuri animes, and that is just fucking saddening.
>>44816422 >>44816362 Another reason: they feel like they are outcasts and that being a woman is easymodo where everyone treats you better, so might as well become one. P-people will me then r-right? Fucking wrong
>>44816505 It's not like the moment you become a girl you're cute and attractive and everyone wants to ask you out. Think how many girls you barely even notice, or are honestly just okay, or you'd rather not be more than friends with. And that's not even considering that people will treat you differently as a woman, whether you want to be 'one of the guys' or not.
It feels harder as a guy, but it's probably just as bad on the other side of the fence, even if in a different way.
>>44816562 Precisely, nothing about it is just a walk in the park. But the same kind of fag who becomes an MRA to complain that being a man is hard can also just join tumblr and try to turn into a girl instead.
>>44814064 The reason option 1 doesn't work is because we don't know the precise causes of dysphoria on a biochemical/biomechanical level. And there has to be some underlying reason because it's a rather systematic phenomenon. What we do know is that it's not something simple like a "gay gene" or a gene defect (which has actually been found in Drosophila: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20876995). It might be slightly more complex (like microsattelite instability) in which case we actually would be kind of close to be able to find something or a lot more complex (high level difference in connectome, an absolute nightmare to study systematically) in which case we might never be able to actually find or "solve" anything about it. But research into this is both unpromising and not really politically wanted at the moment since treating it as some kind of defect, which on some level it most certainly is, is not socially acceptable. I find this pretty understandable though because in the past when it was treated that way it was used for some horrible and also scientifically totally subpar research. It's not a topic that is likely to be seriously touched again for a long timer, for the better or worse.
>>44817400 It doesn't make it better magically; it just makes it a little less horrifically wrong.
Hormone therapy helps the brain's function a LOT more than surgery, which is why you see transfolk who stop there. They don't feel crazy anymore, and surgery is risky, expensive, and doesn't even do the job all the way, so there are those who just play the hand they're dealt, other than the hormones.
>>44817400 Cutting off your balls removes important hormone glands which will definitely change the balance of neural pathways in the brain. How precisely that would muck you up I don't know. Eunuchs don't seem that different, that's why you then also get hormonme therapy as >>44817497 pointed out.
>>44817560 No, but that's not what transitioning is.
First, following the metaphor, it's changing the drivers so that instead of NEVER running properly, the game runs properly SOME of the time. Still not ideal, but nothing about this is, and unfortunately they can't just swap out for a different game or system.
After tweaking the console's software as much as possible, some will start to mod the hardware. Change the internal hardware too much, though, and the system bricks, because there just aren't replacement parts for everything.
And some people DO spraypaint, too, or otherwise try to change the case, so they don't constantly get asked, "Hey, isn't that a PS4 exclusive?"
Sometimes it works, but often you get a Frankenconsole, so a lot just stop at the drivers.
>>44813573 My last character was an undestructible magical living animated staff with an ego and a foul mouth that could cast bright and colorful lights at will. It was awesome. During the campaign I was turned into a wand by an lich and then a dildo by a succubus. Turning me back from dildo to staff was one of our group most dangerous missions. It was awesome.
>>44817317 And I don't see why I should be forced to contribute money to your retarded pet crusade to make a PS4 play Xbone games, especially if you're just gonna beak the console in frustration in a few years.
>>44817787 She was lonely after being imprisioned in some demi-plane by her demon lover. She offered us information about how to leave a dimensional plane we we're trapped, but only if somebody fucked her. Everybody was affraid that she would suck their life or something during sex, and so one guy said "fuck it, we use the talking staff". And I was like, "what?" And the succubus, used some spell and turned me into a dildo. And fucked me. Hard. Repeatedly. And then, gave the party the information that we needed. And explained that she couldn't turned me back. So they needed to go to another place full of demons and succubi to see if one could do the trick. Needless to say, shit got awry and all the battle ensured.
>>44816629 Tumblr is a weird sort of echo chamber, though. You mostly only get stuff reblogged from people you follow. So an MRA, who mostly follows MRAs (as rare as they'd probably be), is going to get a bunch of opinions to the contrary about becoming a girl.
>>44818006 >What's stopping a female wizard adventuring as opposed to a male one? The fact that in many historical cultures women were only believed to be able to be spellcasters by stealing man's vitality whereas men could do it naturally. Or the fact that you wouldn't want your wizard to be unable to keep pace with your party, be unable to pull her own weight, and get flighty, emotional, and unreliable in times of stress, ergo combat.
No matter how much magic and make believe you heap on a setting, women still have no place on the battlefield if you care about versimilitude.
>>44813749 if only we hadn't gotten rid of asylums.
we really need some form of hospitals for mental patients, not just for trannies, but for a variety of other reasons, including those mentally ill who commit mass shootings, which, though extremely rare, should still be dealt with either way. though the left will keep using both of those to gain power because "muh LGBT """rights"""" and "muh gun control"
>>44817671 Personally, all I really care about is that no one tries to sell me one console and it later turns out to be the other. If I've already plugged it in at that point, it's going to end up with a sledgehammer right through the chassis.
>>44818186 >The fact that in many historical cultures... You could stop right there, historical views on magic aren't the same as the in-setting explanations. So that's not an argument, wizards can teleport (Not to mention forced marches aren't the standard for adventuring parties anyway) and emotional issues are common, not a constant.
You're making a bunch of very setting specific arguments (or at least trying to) and saying that they apply to every setting, which is wrong. You're also likening an adventuring party to an army group, which isn't an absolute either.
Yes in some specific settings, women may not be suitable to a hard marching, army style group, but you're honestly retarded if you think all settings are your ideal setting. Maybe you would be right if you spoke of realism, but verisimilitude is a matter of internal consistency, nothing to do with the real world.
I play an even split of male and female characters because I'm comfortable with my sexuality and enjoy the different experiences you get from playing vastly altering character types. The most closeted people are the ones who only play male fighters. Gr8 b8 tho
>>44818278 >but what if they do pull their own weight Then they aren't women. >this is a fantasy setting Yeah, a fantasy setting not a fetish setting >anything can happen. This is the laziest excuse for being a shitty worldbuilder. You don't deserve to be a DM
>>44818336 >You're making a bunch of very setting specific arguments (or at least trying to) and saying that they apply to every setting, which is wrong. Are you not doing the same? I already told you that I don't play in shitty politically correct fetish settings and you keep insisting that I do because your feelings keep getting #triggered.
>>44818201 >implying that therapy to weed out false positives and quadruple-check to make sure they're trans isn't Step 1. Golly gee, it's almost like you have no fucking idea what you're talking about!
>>44818209 >everywhere tumblr isn't everywhere, kid. And just because it's a Saturday doesn't mean you're not underage.
I don't find female bodies appealing? It's all about personality and relationship. A dick attached to that is.. eh I'd rather have a hot dude who smells and feels like a dude, and acts like a dude (but opens up to me because I'm weak and pathetic for guys who are needy and FEELINGS)
>>44818417 >>implying that therapy to weed out false positives and quadruple-check to make sure they're trans isn't Step 1. I wasn't saying that, I was saying that if your country allows people to inject hormones from the other gender into their body, you live in a cucked nation.
there are things man should not do, and making men into women and women into men is one of them
>>44818416 Nope. You made an absolute statement ('women have no place on the battlefield') and acted like it applied to all settings, which it does not. You're also equating adventuring groups to battlefield situations, which is incorrect. I agree women have no place on battlefields in the real world, but I have no such qualms about fantasy adventuring, 'cause y'know, fantasy.
>Any setting with casting or no mechanical gender differences=shitty politically correct fetish settings Okay /pol/, I think you can go home now.
>>44818582 >Because God makes everyone the way they're meant to be, doesn't He? never mentioned God, I'm simply stating the obvious, that man, for as much as we have achieved, should not try and make ourselves masters over nature, because we simply aren't and can't ever be. And changing peoples genders is certainly trying to be master of nature
>>44818674 Man is part of nature, everything we do is part of nature. Nature is not something that can be mastered or changed. We can expand our knowledge of nature but we can't achieve unnatural deeds. Such things are impossible by definition. Nature is something that is. And always will be no matter what we do. If you say there is something we are "meant" to do you are just talking about purposses and stuff that requires a superior being/s that created us for a reason, by definition, a God. His retort was correct, if a bit fedora.
>>44818718 Oh now I'm a Luddite! I didn't know that saying that we shouldn't meddle with forces beyond our control makes me a technophobe! go ahead, then, mess around with the human genome all you want! I cant' wait till we have designer made babies.
>>44818776 >forces beyond our control We don't know until it explodes in our faces and we do it again. If something is beyond our "control", then it is. Well have to keep trying to "control" it because doing so is the only thing that brings us a purpose in this universe. Until we stop existing, that is.
>>44818872 >Well have to keep trying to "control" it because doing so is the only thing that brings us a purpose in this universe how do you think that gives us purpose? the only purpose of this entire existence is to reach equilibrium, it's what the universe has been trying to do since it started.
>>44818895 Because you're taking dick in the first place. It's not gay if you were the dick giver, but if you're the dick receiver, it's gay.
Now you might be going, 'Anon, this is a hypothetical scenario. I just like straight women.' But you are heavily implying that you - the person imagining the hypothetical scenario - would chose that you - the woman in the hypothetical scenario - would take the dick. Which means that you would rather take the dick, even when now I assume you are a straight male who would normally go after women yourself. Ergo, it is acting gay to chose to want to have sexual relations with men, when right now your attraction is to women and theoretically wouldn't change if you magically became a girl.
>Male writers who write female characters are closet homosexuals >So are people who paint them >Or draw them in general >In fact, anyone that does anything remotely related to woman are actually freakish trans people or homos
>>44819027 well yes actually. I'm not saying it willfully is making the choice to reach equilibrium, but that';s what it is doing, or more accurately it's in the process of doing.
>>44819031 Can't say, no real reason not to. there's no such thing as purpose, only thing not causing me to try and die is chemical and electrical signals in my brain telling me I enjoy life right now.
>>44819125 Life is nothing but a pointless struggle against thermodynamics. Soooo, you ight as well find something to enjoy doing while you wait for the end. Humanity has chosen to fuck up with the things, you pansy, have deemed beyond our control.
>>44818767 well, that's my point really. no god, just existence. no purpose, so then while technically one could say there isn't a reason not to make men into women, by that logic there is no reason to not exterminate all humanity, but for some reason people aren't to keen on the latter idea.
>>44819208 >Life is nothing but a pointless struggle against thermodynamics. exactly. and seeing as everything else is in the process of reaching equilibrium, we should to. just all off ourselves, do the universe a favor and make that process just a bit shorter.
>>44815708 Don't know, honestly. I generally just sometimes describe the character as female, and just work in subtle differences after the actual physical description of then. Most people don't act overly much like their gender when it comes down to it, it just feels somewhat odd to only encounter males all the times, especially with the places my players usually gravitate towards.
Don't think of them as the stereotypical female, just think of the actual role they fill. A female barkeep wouldn't act much different than a male one. They have to deal with the same shit, after all, so they are likely pretty similar in terms of personality.
If you have issues with overly feminine types, like young maids, just don't include them in your games. The absence might seem odd if you gm a lot and over a long period of time, but you are better off leaving it out entirely, rather than implementing things you cannot implement properly. It'll break immersion far more than just ignoring it entirely.
>>44819229 There is no reason not to explore all the secrets we ca out of this universe either. There is no reason we shouldn't modify what we are to see if we can, and if it makes the lives of some people better in the process, then cool.
You are doing nihilism wrong, anon. There is no purpose in the universe but what we make out of it.
>>44819285 >do the universe a favor What has the universe done for me lately? The universe can go fuck itself. If it doesn't like it then it can grow a mind of its own and tell me so, see if i give a fuck.
>>44819307 >There is no reason not to explore all the secrets we ca out of this universe either. except that it goes against what the entire rest of the universe is in the process of accomplishing. nice work, setting back everything else in existence's hard work at trying to reach equilibrium. why are you so special that you don't have to help speed along the process of equilibrium? everything is just a arrangement of the fundamental particles, what makes our arrangement so special?
>>44819433 >That's so perfectly reasonable coming from a guy whose archrival/nemesis is a QUANTUM MECHANICS-MANIPULATING SCIENTIST who PUNCHES AN EXTRADIMENSIONAL ALIEN IN THE FACE TO TAKE BACK HIS MOTHER'S UNIQUE BRAIN-SCAN PATTERN
>>44819375 >what makes our arrangement so special? It can think. Think about the wishes of the supercluster, if it can even be described as wishes, more as a behavior.
We don't have a behavior, we have wishes, anon. Look, you want to hate trans people? Ok, it is your life, do as you please. But please, don't give up Anon, We are part of the universe, a part that can decide. A part that is not a complete slave of the laws we have observed. The fact that we speak of such laws means we are outsiders to the "will" of this universe.
Who am i? Someone who looked at the universe and selfishly said "no" like many, many others
>>44819627 >It can think oh, so because our arrangement defines thinking in such a way that only our arrangement does it, and we then decide that that ability is somehow important, we get to be better than everything else? It's so easy to be special when you get to decide the criteria for being special.
>>44819038 No, no, the hypothetical is that I'm a girl taking the dick. That's straight. Your assumption misses out that I would rather be a girl taking the dick. It looks at part of the hypothetical and assumes only that part has implications about my sexuality. But whether or not I have a vag in the hypothetical is relevant.
>>44816313 >>44816422 desu I have a friend who claims to be trans MtF and I just really feel like this is his situation.
Went to an overly liberal college where he learned how evil he was for being a guy, made some new friends who reinforced that shit, and are the kinds to completely indulge those trans notions to prove how progressive they are.
He ended up with a lot of debt and not really able to find a job better than retail (majored in Japanese but didn't come out of it fluent enough to be a translator, which certainly didn't help). And things just generally didn't work out for him after school, which is when it started.
Sucks because enough of those friends support him on it that if I try to question it I am not "really being 'her' friend" because I am not supportive enough. All I can really do is hope things get better for him or he realizes on his own putting on a dress ain't gonna make his life better.
Sorry for the blog, just kinda felt the need to even
Daily reminder that trannies can literally be cured but any research into treatments beyond normalized mutilation and trying in vain to contort tranny bodies into something they aren't are considered too politically incorrect to pursue, because it would mean fully coming to terms with the fact that these people are mentally ill.
>>44820519 >They aren't MENTALLY ill. They're PHYSICALLY ill
That seems like an unnecessary attempt to sanitize their mental illness, given that mental illnesses are very literally defined by a chemical imbalance in the brain which in turn cause a variety of different problems, which you yourself have gone on to admit is the case with trannies.
>>44819229 >by that logic there is no reason to not exterminate all humanity, but for some reason people aren't to keen on the latter idea. Of course there's a reason. An extremely selfish reason. It's called "not wanting to die". There's also "not wanting to be alone", and "not wanting to be killed for trying to exterminate humanity".
>>44820644 No were not, because you still think that your criteria mean anything. they could only matter if you yourself matter, as you are the one saying they matter. but the only reason you matter is because of the criteria that you say matter, which only matter because you say they matter, and so on and so on. Your circular reasoning proves nothing
>>44820680 You don't let depressed people wallow in their depression just like you don't indulge people with gender disphoria by fucking with their bodies hormones even more, or mutilating their genitals.
>>44820680 >Ah, okay. So you "don't agree with" treating depression, ADHD, or schizophrenia either, then, right?
No, I just consider mutilating men and asking people to call them women indulging in delusion. And yes, feeding them hormones to try to feminize their masculine bodies is indeed another form of mutilation.
As >>44819948 mentioned, there is great promise in using pimozide to treat trannies. But people like you have begun equating giving schizophrenics their happy pills to turning a man's genitals inside out and trying to convince everyone else that he's a woman, so more effective and less ridiculous methods of treating the mentally ill are left out in the cold for the sake of political correctness.
>>44820756 And you shouldn't because it doesn't mean jack shit most of the time. I play females because I like girls and I love to design them in looks and personality, not because I'm into dick or secretly want to be a woman.
>>44820681 >Of course there's a reason. An extremely selfish reason. It's called "not wanting to die". There's also "not wanting to be alone", and "not wanting to be killed for trying to exterminate humanity". which only matter because you say they do. but what you say doesn't matter, because nothing has inherent value.
>>44820781 Yeah exactly. Playing a certain type of character doesn't mean you necessarily want to /be/ that character. It just means you think it would be fun to play as or design. If it did, it would mean I want be a murderous one-legged pirate with the staggers and jags who has a demonic ex-wife captain who's out to kill him.
I mean that doesn't sound fun in real life, but it sounds like a blast to play.
>>44820802 >and she's a lesbian or ftm Nah, her boyfriend's in the group too and she's pregnant. Kind of busts those two theories.
>>44820797 >which only matter because you say they do. Correction: only matters TO ME, and to ANYONE ELSE WHO CARES.
Just because value doesn't objectively exist has nothing to do with whether it subjectively exists.
Seriously mang, nihilism ain't your thing. You're gonna be wearing makeup and crying about how the darkness is your only friend if you continue down this path. It's made for people with a different outlook on life.
>OBJECTIVE: The case is reported of a gender dysphoric patient who responded successfully to pharmacotherapy with pimozide. >CLINICAL PICTURE: An adult male patient with a borderline learning disability presented with cross-dressing and a strong wish to undergo a sex change. >TREATMENT: Supportive psychotherapy and pharmacotherapy with pimozide was tried. >OUTCOME: There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then. >CONCLUSION: Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
I see no reason why pimozide would stop working 20 years after the study was performed, why a singular case of its working precludes it working more times, nor how this was not scientific, especially given that you did not set forth any standards that you believe it failed. I can see no reason why this type of treatment should not be investigated further, as it was apparently rather effective in this one.
You strike me as one of those people who throw around words like "scientific" to try to convince others, and possibly yourself, that your feels are based in logic.
>>44821084 Or maybe because you don't know what the pimozide actually did to the person? The drug was discovered about the time transgenderism actually became a thing. There has been plenty of time for the drug to have been tried to treat transgenderism, yet all you can bring to bear is a single anecdote.
The reason it isn't scientific is because: there wasn't even a fucking experimental process, easily failed to take in account outside factors, literally one test subject, and no fucking control group (not really necessary, but still, it's an indication that it wasn't an experiment).
This isn't to say the data is valid, but it is sure as hell not conclusive.
>>44821190 t'bh I not going to argue for it, because this is fucking /tg/ and the OP should be shot for heresy.
>always play female characters in video games >friend teases me and asks me if it's because i secretly want to be a woman >play star wars f&d with the same people >introduce my character >a brief, but noticeable silence when i tell them that it's a woman >they know
>>44821356 Still, I'm pretty sure there exists a world outside my experience. (Philosophical arguments against this can of course be made.) And 0.3% of, what, there's like 7 billion people in the world now? So about 21 million transexuals. That's objectively at least a few people, I think.
>>44821413 >I've just reached the logical conclusion that all attempts to give meaning or purpose are no different than a religion There it goes again, you bringing up meaning. There's already meaning to things, just not the bullshit that churches speak about. I eat burgers because they are tasty. "Tastiness" is the meaning behind me eating it. Is that some objective truth the world sees? No, it's clearly not gonna be tasty to a vegan or Hindu. But it's a subjective truth that is very real to me, and that's really all that matters.
The world has no meaning, and your existence has no meaning either. So do what you WANT, not what you MEAN. Don't treat others badly, because there's no inherent reason to. Treat them well because they WANT to be treated well, just as you do.
Want is the only real meaning we have the power to ascribe to anything. Everything past that is arguable philosophical pseudobabble.
>>44818186 >The fact that in many historical cultures women were only believed to be able to be spellcasters by stealing man's vitality whereas men could do it natural Citation needed. Greek mythology has female casters and a female Goddess of magic, and Norse mythology has magic as "unmanly" to the point where even Odin got called unmanly for practicing.
>>44821472 >There has been plenty of time for the drug to have been tried to treat transgenderism, yet all you can bring to bear is a single anecdote.
Right, because people like you take investigating pimozide into treating trannies as an assault on liberal safe spaces, because it would mean coming to terms with the fact that it is a mental illness that can be easily chemically treated, as you are clearly demonstrating this very moment by your mischaracterizing my mentioning that it should be investigated further into a statement that it is "conclusive." People are not willing to bet their careers against the ravenous tumblr hordes.
You are an idiot who can't even see your blatant biases.
>>44821213 >0.3% of anything to do with humans >not existing Anon, I'm not gonna argue about transexuals with you, but that's fucking retarded. Since that's like 21 million (if my quick math is right), and thus "they 'literally' don't" (exist) is stupid.
Please stop being stupid, if you want to say it's an insignificant number you'd still be fucking wrong, just less so than you currently are. And being less wrong is always good.
>>44821084 >>44821190 Fa.m, you're arguing your position from a single study on a single person. This is not a good pool of data to base your views on and it seems more likely that you're using it to reinforce your already existing views. Considering this study has flashed it's way through /pol/ and /lgbt/ I'm going to take a guess and say you're from one of them, with all the pros and cons attached from it. Let's leave that part be. Your study has no meat on the bones and it's the only one of it's kind. It's researchers haven't published any other studies about treating trannies with pimozide and have instead looked into other subjects relating to down syndrome. You can ask for a debunking about the pimozide treatment but it doesn't exist because the only study on it is no where near conclusive. Christ it was only on a single person with no other reports or detailing about the process involved. We shouldn't dismiss it because the subject appeared to resume normal life but we shouldn't base our views on it until theirs more research done on it.
>>44817263 No, retards like you that don't know anything have no place on the battlefield or /tg/ >>44817389 >>44818531 Women on battlefield did happen, see http://www.lothene.org/others/women.html and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_post-classical_warfare. There was even women knights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Hatchet. >>44817918 >>44818186 >>44818336 >politically correctivist >versimilitude You mean don't like setting that have historical facts too them? women on the battle battlefield did happen. Just tell the truth and say you are just lashing out at women because you are a /r9k/ loser. >>44818373 >>44818416 Now you are going full retard. >>44819287 Well, it is either bait or you are a retard.
>>44821724 >you know that means you're no different than a theist, both of you get meaning because you ascribe meaning, them to a god, you to man. I've ascribed nothing to man. I can ascribe nothing to man. There is no objective meaning, and nothing I do will grant objective meaning. Stop trying to bring that stupid religious psychobabble up.
If you want to be a Jesus fucker, do that and stop playing this coy crap with them. If you want to be a nihilist, stop crying about how god didn't save your puppy and learn to accept the world for what it is, and not what you want it to be.
Fuckin' poser nihilists, mang. Always crying about pointlessness....
>>44821848 >'ve ascribed nothing to man. I can ascribe nothing to man. There is no objective meaning, and nothing I do will grant objective meaning then replace man with what ever you put meaning in, my point is true, would you not agree?
>>44821631 Are you clearly fucking retarded? The general psychiatric consensus before 10 years ago was FUCKING OVERWHELMINGLY neutral if not outright hostile to trans, which means there WAS ABSOLUTELY NO FEAR OF DOING TESTING. You're the fucking idiot that bitches about tumblr having any actual influence on society as a whole, and stop backtracking at well. "Great promise" isn't a statement that says "It should be looked into.". It fucking says "My preconceived ideas about transgenderism are automatically right, which means the tiniest amount of evidence that supports it BTFO of my opposition." You are literally no different than the creatards who think that a single fossilized tree cutting through multiple fossil layers suddenly means the consistent findings of every other paleontologist is somehow wrong. You might have more grounding, but that doesn't mean you don't have the exact same mental process as the fucking bible thumper.
You are an idiot who can't even see your blatant biases.
>>44821795 Yes, but he met the burden of proof. He cited a study proving his point. So now if you're going to say "this study isn't valid!" you're the one who has the burden of proof. That's how burden of proof works - it moves to the one making the new claim.
>>44822027 OK, you're obviously stupid, so let me explain this slowly.
The Anti-Vaxxers made a claim - Vaccines cause autism. They cited a study to prove this. So they met their burden of proof, and the burden of proof passed to the pro-Vaxxers.
So they did multiple studies that completely refuted the Anti-Vaxxer study. They met their burden of proof. So the burden of proof then went back to the Anti-Vaxxers.
They still haven't refuted any of them.
Which means you're now in the position of the anti-Vaxxers. Burden of proof's in your court, and you're incapable of shifting it because you don't have anything to back your argument up. Besides your fee-fees, I mean.
I think that spazzing out about Christians when literally nobody was talking about them is evidence that you're a fedora with a chip on his shoulder because mama spanked you and she went to church, yes.
>>44821657 Magic was womenly art because the staff is the distaff for making clothes. The staining of runes used to be done with menstrual blood, and the magick salves went up inside. Probably initially as a birth control spell etc.
>>44822060 >would you not agree the subjective meaning is logically equivalent? Subjective meaning is arbitrary. It literally only matters to the person who ascribes to it. Which is fine: it doesn't have to matter to anyone else.
You keep trying to look for value in things, when the point of nihilism is to stop worrying about value. Who the fuck cares? Nothing matters, and you will die. The universe has not had you for 99.999...% of it's existence. You will exist for but a flicker of time, and when you are gone there will be nothing but artifacts and memories... until those too are gone, and you are nothing at all once again.
The point of it all is that nothing has value. Nothing. Which means everything is of equal value. Nothing. Which means there's no reason NOT to enjoy it. Doing something you enjoy has exactly the same amount of value to the universe as something you don't... so why try to do things that mean something to the universe (which we both agree is pointless), when you can do things that mean something to yourself and others (which, while pointless, actually exists; subjective opinion is real, even if it's not something that really matters).
Stop caring about meaning. You sound like a mopey bitch because you keep talking about meaning while openly acknowledging that nothing has meaning. If you know nothing has meaning, why do you keep fucking talking about it?
>>44821943 >You are literally no different than the creatards who think that a single fossilized tree cutting through multiple fossil layers suddenly means the consistent findings of every other paleontologist is somehow wrong.
That post became the fedora pic, friendo. Try to keep up.
>>44822140 >>44822236 I said nothing about Christianity other than I compared his mindset to a commonly known case of using a presupposition as a hypothesis, which just so happens to be the standpoint of a Christian group.
>>44821476 Just tell them you enjoy boobs or something. Tell them you enjoy the more emotional aspects of the female character and feel less pressured to be a rugged badass. Tell them they should mind their own business.
>>44813783 Dragonborn/minotaur player here, I'm not a furry by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just a pussy vegan veterinarian that loves animals and tends to play animal characters in games if given the chance.
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