MtG January 18th Banlist Prediction:
Modern: Amulet of Vigor banned. Bloodbraid Elf and Jace, the Mind Sculptor unbanned.
Legacy: No changes
Vintage: Preordain restricted. Yawgmoth's Bargain unrestricted.
are you stupid? bbe is just too good. Makes Jund the top dog and the value just wrecks everyone. Imagine cascading into a Kommand. Think about how good that would feel. The value is just crazy.
Now imagine your opponent cascading into a Kommand. Think about how much that would fuck you.
also no way amulet would be banned over summer bloom. Amulet in theory allows for some janky fun. Bloom is super powerful and the strongest combo enabler in the deck.
>kommand is overrated
It's an automatic 2-for-1 every single time you cast it. It provides automatic card advantage no matter what. It's also super strong against robots.
okay so it's not a good meta for jund, but it's still a top player in the format. It's extremely strong with a good matchup against a huge amount of the field. It's interactive, complex and can get some serious value from the plays. It actually doesn't need such a huge buff as bbe.
>bbe cascades into lili
>It's an automatic 2-for-1 every single time you cast it. It provides automatic card advantage no matter what. It's also super strong against robots.
And it doesn't matter because Grixis is a joke and Jund really does have better things to do with it's mana.
Every single jund list on mtgtop8 for the last several months have been running, at minimum, two Kommands. It's a very strong, interactive card that is powerful at every single point of the game where you are able to cast it.
You don't think it would replace the Huntsmasters (when run) or P&K (when run) or Olivia/Tasigur (when run)? I feel they're way more relevant when judging bbe than kommand. That is to say, an aggressive 4drop that has a strong impact on the board. Or is a savage 3-for-1 in the case of bbe.
Of course, you think kommand is a bad card and I don't know what fucking whack version of magic you're playing but you can be wrong about more things than just that.
Guess what's one of Legacy's Dominant decks? MOTHERFUCKING STONEBLADE.
Btw, the reason why Twin ended up seeing more play than Caw-Blade is precisely because SFM and Jace ended up getting banned in standard. My god you're autistic.
Because of Mom, Jitte and Force, not because of Jace.
And it's not dominant, it hasn't placed well in years, wanna speak shit talk about BUG, and that shit isn't dominant because of Jace either, more Hymn, Shardless, Tarmo and Lilly.
Bitterblossom sure needs to be banned again because Fairies is so OP and invincible!
A 4-mana creature that gives value? Oh perish the thought, cards that encourage interactive, grindy decks need to be banned!
Now look at Burn, Tron and other linear, brainless decks.
That's the ticket! Players want to win, having to think and losing because you suck isn't fun.
>it's an automatic 2-for-1
Wow, stop the fucking presses, we need to slap Contradicts into every Storm deck!
Hint: It doesn't fucking matter it's good at grinding if people just don't give a shit. FoW is always a 1-for-2 but its impact on decks outweighs that drawback
What's the point of encouraging good value threats when Modern has a dire lack of good value answers? Great, Bloodbraid Elf is banned. Now what? Does control become better? No, all that happens is dumb sideways decks become better.
I'm just trying to wrap my head around why anyone would think that was safe to unrestrict when storm is already top dog.
Yawg Bargain in legacy would make Storm the best deck by leagues
You would run 4, would no longer have to run AN so you can have a higher curve. You could run more copies of tendrils because a tendrils for 4-6 with yawg bargain in play is lethal
AmVigor-agreed, either this or Bloom needs to go.
BBE-Jund is already tier 1, so no
Jace 2.0-and so is Twin
Preordain- are you salty about getting 2-0'd by Mentor or something?
Bargain- maybe. It's just Griselbrand in enchantment form for one less mana, after all.
I know that SFM isn't a problem in Legacy, and that it's probably kosher for Modern: especially with Kommand blowouts being a thing. But I don't think it's getting unbanned, because Wizards probably still thinks it's a "Legacy staple" and that it's "too powerful for Modern".
My predicition for three days from now? No change.
My personal opinion/expectation is that we will see Summer Bloom banned, SFM and Ancestral Visions unbanned.
We won't see JTMS unbanned in Modern until WotC figures out how to reprint it with enough supply to meet the demand for it due to secondary market prices.
It's printed in the next MM along with a bunch of Modern staples and it has a full/normal print run like its a new set.
>draw-a-card at instant speed
>in a format with rituals
you might be fucking retarded
once this hits the board it becomes impossible for the opponent to win because
>opponent tries to interact
>interaction on the stack, response i draw a card
now you can dig for an answer or a redundant combo piece every time they try to interact with your sequence using a card that isn't named 'Trickbind'
You don't yawg bargain and look for answers, you yawg bargain and they die. I had 18 life and no mana after resolving yawg bargain. I then tendrils'd myopponent to death. Drawing 17 cards is a hell of a drug
I think people overreact to Yawgmoth's Bargain in Legacy. Bargain at least would certainly not break any existing Storm deck in Legacy: ANT doesn't want any luck involved in its combo 90% of the time, since it just wins with Past in Flames loop, and TES has Ad Nauseam, which is 1 mana cheaper and better for drawing cards, given that the deck's average CMC (excluding the Ad Nauseam itself, since you can't draw it) is less than 1.
Sure, it might create some new combo deck, but in order to be more efficient than Ad Nauseam it needs to be drawing expensive cards (Force comes to mind). This evokes thoughts of a Reanimator-like shell with permission and a fast combo finish, but Griselbrand exists with practically the same effect, while also being an absurdly powerful creature and being far easier to cheat into play. Maybe U/B Show and Tell, since Bargain is harder to remove? Either way, it seems almost certainly safe.
Still, Junk is completely unaffected by KR's 1st effect, bar a Relic'd Goyf. I doubt KR will completely wipe aggro off the Modern map, and if it does, you can bet your sweet ass Wizards will ban that shut faster than you can say Dig Through Time.
Have you watched the banned series where Durward plays ANT with yawg bargain? It wins the game on the spot roughly every time.
ANT prefers a PIF kill because it's deterministic, but there are a lot of times when it isn't possible so you go for the AN kill. Most of the time that gets there. With bargain you are able to play multiple tendrils. You can crack LED when you draw them then keep drawing. If you get to 4 mana and cast a tendrils with storm 4-5, it's going to be lethal because now you're drawing 8-10 more cards.
Test it out, it's almost impossible to lose with a bargain out. If you're show and telling out an enchantment, try omni
Ah, that's true, my mistake. I hadn't considered that drawing cards in multiple "batches" would turn LED into an actual Lotus.
I'm still not sure how oppressive it is. Sure, you win 100% of the time if it resolves, but how many times have you seen TES lose off of an Ad Nauseam? Certainly less than 10%. How about Tin Fins off of a Griz? I don't think I've *ever* seen that.
Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Stoneforge Mystic unbanned.
Force of Will, Wasteland, and Stifle are now legal in the format and will be an emergency reprint in the next available set
Twin is one of the most interactive decks in the format when it isn't casting Splinter Twin. The deck that can be accused of being uninteractive in Modern are:
So most of the format, essentially. Nothing but dull linear decks that want to only pay lip service to their opponent. Affinity runs Thoughtseize, Burn runs Revelry. But even then, they only run them so their opponent can't stop them from winning in an uninteractive way. The format is so dull.
So Twin is allowed to instawin by turn four only because it counters your spells and burns your creatures? Okay.
Affinity, Burn and Infect will die as soon as Kozilek's Return is released. Bloom is most likely to take a big hit on the banlist. Goryo's, Living End, and Scapeshift are irrelevant. So that leaves Ad Nauseum and Tron.
>My personal opinion/expectation is that we will see Summer Bloom banned, SFM and Ancestral Visions unbanned.
A piece of bloom MIGHT get banned, but there is no way in hell stoneforge is ever coming off the banlist, it's far too powerful. Honestly don't know why people are expecting it to, it's not even the safest target for an unban, sword of the meek is.
>Affinity, Burn and Infect will die as soon as Kozilek's Return is released.
That card is hot garbage, it comes down a turn too late, and by the time it gets played from the bin the game is effectively over.
I don't know if it pushes affinity to the next level, but I do think the next tier 0 decks plays it and has approximately 40% meta share or more.
I think it won't be tier 0, but Stoneforge will probably bring D&T to tier 1. Vial + Thalia, Revoker, and Mystic is a hell of a drug. Would probably run more Vryn Wingmare than the Legacy build due to the lack of Wasteland and Port, at the expense of other now mediocre curve-toppers like Brimaz (since you lose Karakas).
Tin fins doesn't usually fizzle once they get going, but I've fizzled off an ad nauseam maybe 20% of the time. The reason why bargain would be more oppressive is because ANT shells are infinitely more resilient
Technically, but affinity is really fun to play against, it is the best version of tapping creatures.
What? are you confusing the word interactive with 'decks you don't like'?
Nah. Look at Eidolon, for instance. Tasigur and Rhino will both be around $8-10 nonfoil and $30+ foil when they settle. Creatures that are played in Eternal formats usually do. And it just happens that KTK and FRF have lots of those, probably the most since ZEN and WWK.
I don't understand why they don't do this for Modern Masters anyway. How much extra are they really making by selling it at inflated prices to just local stores vs how much would they make putting it on shelves at Wal-Mart and stuff for normal price? I just can't think the math there is right.
They aren't making more on it, really. It's limited because if it had a full print run, they insist that some nameless boogeyman will raise hell and take some vaguely defined action that would be REALLY BAD, but they can't really talk about it and they can't talk about why they can't talk about it.
Also, if they sold it at Wal-Mart the casuals would get confused and show up to FNM with modern cards in their kitchen table standard decks, and get confused when they get DQ'd because it was right there with the rest of the booster packs. Never mind that they also sell duel decks and shit at Wal-Mart, and that's never really been a problem.
The real problem I have with SFM isn't powerlevel, it's that it hurts deck diversity. There's no reason to not just add 4 SFM, a Batterskull, and a Sword to every deck. It's a small 6-card package that's incredibly easy to splash, and often results in free wins.
>ly. It's limited because if it had a full print run, they insist that some nameless boogeyman will raise hell and take some vaguely defined action that would be REALLY BAD, but they can't really talk about it and they can't talk about why they can't talk about it.
>Also, if they sold it at Wal-Mart the casuals would get confused and show up to FNM with modern cards in their kitchen table standard decks, and get confused when they get DQ'd because it was right there with the rest of the booster packs. Never mind that they also sell duel decks and shit at Wal-Mart, and that's never really been a problem.
Great trade. Stoneforge isn't coming back, Zenith and Pod are still banned, and Stoneforge leaves those two cards in the dust. Delta will only rise in price, while SFM will drop back down to $15-20 after WoTC announces that it isn't getting unbanned on Monday.
The reason why Stoneforge is the GP promo isn't because it's coming off the Modern banlist (it isn't). The reason why it's the promo is the same reason Jitte was a few years back- Legacy D&T players love their promos.
>Cloud of Faeries ban
Literally what the fuck, blue is dominant in pauper because of delver and gush, cloud was used in one single deck.
Not quite fringe but I wouldn't but it nearly all that popular.
I swear WOTC does pauper banlists by one faggot getting butthurt he lost to a single deck once.