>>44782635 >"Alpharius. Your human Imperium is skullfucking all the alien races and securing the galaxy for mankind. We, a coven of alien races that are being skullfucked, have come to tell you to sabotage your Imperium for the sake of the galaxy..." >"OKAY!"
>>44786190 Because every member of the Bloody 13th was a World Eater at heart. From the Astartes at Angron's side, to the voidships brawling in space, to the Warhounds who look at an Imperator and think 'I could take that... intact.'
>>44782635 Im going to play the devils advocate and say of all the traitors, Pert.
>even though he was a huge fucking mess up to the aftermath of the drop site massacre
Horus- dead, emperor never answers any of the crimes or lies he commits. burns the galaxy only for his shit sons ruining his gains and become by word for irrelevant failure.
Fulgrim- ugly as shit and a parody of perfection, a complete puppet fool. basically a fucking drug addict drag queen.
Moration- HUGE fuck up, his anti warp magic shit is completely ignored by literally everyone. He must have been really dense to think that these magic mother fuckers on the baddy side popping up would just go away.
Angron- never dies with his friends, his brain gets scrubbed by chaos, and never gets his revenge on the Emp. he becomes a slave again.
Logar- writes his book i guess, but he ends up hating his own little shit followers. so lonely he talks to magnus for fun. never finds peace in 'truth'. such a dupe.
Magnus- the king of fuck ups. ruins everything, for everyone, because he thought he was so smart, whats he get for it? not get killed in exchange for exile and never gaining the respect he wants.
Cruz- dead. IDK what the fuck he wanted, but his whole world view of fear based world piece is total shit. cant even kill vulcan. becomes a fucking joke, that gets thrown off of ultramar after doing nothing.
Alpha- the dumb dumb twins negated each other, so the both lose. idk how this guy isn't tenzeech, cus he is all plans no action. xeno nonsense aside, he could have chosen to do something, but rather just collect intell on both sides, to never use it.
good ol' Pert- Gets kicked around like a bitch, and snaps like a cartoon villian, but pulls his shit together, and wages war like a professional soldier and not like Indiana Jones hunting magic bits. Sees through the other traitors bullshit, doesnt fall for that durr chaos. He loses his masters and shames his enemys. he builds his toys, rules a kingdom
>>44782635 Nigga, Alpharius is possibly the dumbest nigga in the whole horus heresy!
In fact, it makes perfect sense that the coven of aliens went to Alpharius not because of how "smart" and "open minded" he is, but because he would be the only primarch to be pants on head retarded enough to actually believe the mountain of bullshit they were spewing!
Guilliman did nothing wrong. He serves the Imperium faithfully and set up contingency plans to continue the fight should Terra fall. He was just, benevolent and competent. He should have been declared regent since it's obvious he was far more levelheaded and reasonable than all these other jokers.
>but muh legions! get a fucking grip. breaking up the legions not only allows the space marines to cover more ground across the imperium it also prevents one man from holding sway over that many marines again. and you know who actually benefits the most from keeping the legions intact? Guilliman. guy was in charge of 3/4ths of all loyal marines and he decided it was a good idea to limit his own power. homeboy could have declared himself the new emperor if he wanted or just fucked off back to Ultramar and declared independence if all he wanted to do was be an empire builder.
In that move he gained more influence with non-marine parts of the Imperium. Ultras still have close ties with their successors and are able to work perfectly without micomanaging from above (because it's one of their specialties).
He didn't lose de facto control over fragmented ultramarines legion, got a firm grasp on the administratum and weakend other primarchs considerably. It does look like a takeover.
The Emperor had clearly engineered each Primarch for a specific role. Curze was always meant to be judge, jury and executioner. The trouble is the visions he kept getting fucked him up bad. That and being all on his own on a world like Nostramo.
I mean, the Emperor clearly knew what the Night Lords were about given that he unleashed them while they were still growing in numbers on Terra.
>>44783643 the Primarchs and HH work best as background material BL make up random shit to keep the series interesting now after like 30(?) books it become a cluster of fuck >>44786190 because no marine no matter how insane want to do random job like pilot ship or polishing skull while their brothers have all the glory
>>44782635 All of the Primarchs did wrong things. Period. Every single one of them fucked up in some way and because so much was hinging on their success it fucked everything up. The issue isn't that the primarchs did things wrong, they were still, on the most base level, human, and humans make mistakes. The issue is that the primarch project and the great crusade in general was predicated on the idea that the Primarch couldn't fuck up so when they did it all went to shit very quickly
>>44790817 1) Abandoned the imperium to form his own when the support of Guilliman at and during the siege of terra would have turned the tide of the battle through numbers alone.
2) Did not question the Emperor's orders when told to destroy Monarchia despite absolutely knowing the implications and repercussions it would have with the Word Bearers. On top of that he doesn't even bother to try repairing relations with the word bearers until Calth, despite claiming it bothers him, at which point it is too late
3) Arrogantly dismisses Alpharius' tactics driving him to seek fellowship in Horus, refusing to see the merit and sense of what Alpharius was doing and instead advising his tactics. Instead of being a prick about it Guilliman could have simply pointed out his observation that Alpharius' conquests left unstable planets but his methodology was solid. Guiliman could have simply said "Hey I've done a lot of conquering and it's generally better to leave some social order intact. Let's work together and learn from one another so that my legion is a little more subtle and takes less casualties and your legion leaves worlds in a better state to be ruled afterwards. And don't say he did this because he flat out didn't. He simply pointed out the flaws without acknowledging the strengths of the Alpha Legion doctrine and then when Alpharius called him on his bullshit he threw a temper tantrum
>>44787732 I'd have to argue that he dug himself a bit too much into everyone else's business. Yes lots of the other primarchs were doing stupid things, and tried to put an end to that but in the process he demanded that all the other marines did everything his way to the point that it nearly caused another civil war.
I'd say whenever he wakes up, if he does in time, he should get job in the administratum and try to sort out the mountains of backed up paperwork. He has the skills to run and manage an empire and the Imperium needs it.
Mega retard he was, he managed to do the right thing until the heresy was over,
>Horus betrays = sends a massive fleet, calls assistance from his fellow legions to deal with this problem sharpish >Stays to fortify Terra after shit goes awry >Still stays on Terra to ,perhaps single-handedly, orchestrate a good enough counter-attack that stalled horus for X amount of years alonesince out of the 8 loyalist primarchs, only 1 had any input and he fucked off home to sulk
He literally did nothing but sit in his room and do nothing wrong. And then he pulled a p'turbo against his own brother but thats another story...
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