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>>44726460
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Might as well start this with my question from last thread and hope Clover sees it.

In RWBY I imported a staff as the melee form of my variable weapon, and want to use twin pistols as the ranged form. The customization section says you get one melee and one ranged form free. Would I need to buy my weapon an extra form to have the dual pistols be one form, or could I just pay to import both pistols as the free ranged form?

I ask because I don't want to end up having it with two pistol forms it can swap between; I want my staff to separate and transform into the two pistols.
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>>44741660
Taking a page from your book.

Can someone explain exactly how Represent works?
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>>44731267
Only on the item yeah. No unlimited companions for you.
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How do you feel about swords?
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>>44741728
I've got five on each hand.
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>>44741728
I am very good at making them.
But when it becomes so simple to fart out a "legendary" sword in an afternoon, they just start to become... tools.
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How are the Angels in Darksiders? I'm thinking of building that way for the jump, but if they're just dicks like so much contemporary fiction I'll pass.
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>>44741728
Worlds tend to have a lot less legendary swords when I leave.
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>>44741728
They're fine, especially if they're made of plasma or light enough to wield two at once, but I'd rather have a staff. Much more versatile.
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>>44741728
They're okay, but hammers are where its at.
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>>44741981
My brother of African descent!
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>>44741728
They are pointy and messy things and I will not use one if I can avoid it.
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Im trying to put together a list of teachable powers. Any ideas?
So far I have naruto chakra,
D&d magic,
bleach,
Jojos bazaar adventure artowhead
Power armor from mcu genius line
Starwars force powers
Animorphs morphing cube
Sims has potions that can make you a witch

Is fullmetal alchemist alchemy teachable?

Worm cauldron viles

Any more?
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>>44741728
My weaponry goes fists > glaive > sword, but thanks to my powers and anatomy I can switch between this on a whim and combine.
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>>44742190
RWBY Aura.
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>>44742190
If you take or roll Archive magic from Fairy Tail, a lot more things become teachable via downloading things right into people's heads.
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>>44742232
>>44742216
Thanks
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>>44742190
>Is fullmetal alchemist alchemy teachable?
Yes, but it'd be difficult.

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/37324070/#37325697
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>>44741728
ill admit im a bit of hoader for weapons and I stuff them where I can.
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>>44742190
Geneforge notes you can teach people the magic, because even if you couldn't, you could just use a Geneforge on them to shove the magic in them. So it's just removing a step.
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So how do you guys feel about collectibles? Those little 50-100 CP items that you pick up as souvenirs?
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>>44741686
It looks like you have to have not had a Semblance for the ten years in RWBY, which does mean you can't use it on the main characters unless you pod them or use a return.

Once you've got it you probably need to do something a bit like what Phyrra did to awaken Jaun's Aura, to 'harmonise' with them. After that you can mimic a small portion of their Semblance. They would of course need to have a Semblance to mimic, so just doing it to people you've just awakened Aura in wouldn't work. This would give you a lot of variety over time, but not as much power or flexibility with the individual powers as the actual Semblance owner would have.

Does this make sense? It's just how I understand it as working so Clover may come along and correct me but that seems to be how it works.
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>>44742190
Esper Powers from Raildex, if you take Hard Science.
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>>44742450
Yeah, that makes sense, thanks.

Doesn't seem particularly useful, but it's about what I expected.
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If you go to one of the "real world" jumps like musician or career model, what would you find if you go to your own house?
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Stupid_dog and friends, if you're about, I have a question about the Buffy jump: I can't find an option to just Drop-In? Spare Key screws with other people's minds and Lawyer screws with my own. Yes, I know the latter says it "only influences your memory if you request it", but it also says you've got a "degree in law, and the knowldge to use it" [sic] and with Wolfram & Hart involved I'm not trusting anything claimed there even if I did want to work for them (which I don't).

P.S. the Penalty Box drawback appears to be missing a part ("lose their are manipulated" [sic]).
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>>44742778
Well my house was built where there used to be an orchard, so I like to imagine that there's still an orchard, with no houses.
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>>44742811
Wolfram & Hart gave you the lawyer package, according to their paperwork, but since you pay points it's given via the sponsor's fiat - in that case, you get exactly what's on the label, nothing more and nothing less. If you don't get the package and go through them in-jump, which is theoretically possible, you decidedly do not get such protections.

But yeah, Spare Key basically IS the drop-in option; there's another individual who gets written into reality in the same way, with everyone's memories altered to match.
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So I've got some questions about the D&D jumps.

>Which one do you think handles magic items best?
>How would you like to see them handled?
>Which ones' Companion imports/options do you like most?
>Which one handles Classes best, in your opinion?
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>>44742907
Why does that matter?
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>>44742907
Ravenloft for all of them, actually. Mostly because I get to fluff them however I want without relying on another entire game system's framework.
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>>44742907
I don't even know which ones are D&D Jumps.

I probably liked Order of the Stick the most just because the perks were about the story telling flavor instead of the game, and I took it as implicit that I could build a character according to RAW if I wanted based on the class I chose. The WoD and D&D jumps tend to suffer when they try to offer a simplified (or unsimplified) char gen. Much better to represent fluff, ideas, and the themes of the precise setting or splat instead of play mechanics and crunch.

It's not precisely what you asked for, but I hope it helps.
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>>44742835
To quote Giles, "Bugger." It looks like a fun ride, but I'm too much of a paladin to screw with other people's minds or work for W&H. The Buffyverse will have to go on the post-spark itinerary.
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>>44742907
I think Dark Sun and OOTS the most. I DO think that jumps for settings with classes should include some kind of class mechanic, but FR is rather poorly made. Everything else is far too vague. What kind of class am I? How do my powers work? What powers do I get? In DnD your class means everything to what you actually can do and how you do it, and the more vague DnD settings that don't give you a class just completely ruin the system, and give you no idea of anything.
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>>44742982
It's no different from being written into the universe in any other way, except that people can find out you actually DON'T belong there. Buffy got a little sister out of the deal and has never been happier, for instance.
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So, has anyone claimed Final Fantasy Tactics yet? Not Advanced, the other one. It's something I'd like to go to, but I just can't get in the right mindset to make a jump for it.
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>>44743021
Buffy is an odd duck. I like to think most people would reject the abomination and any cosmic order that retconned it into their lives.
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>>44743028
I /think/ someone's working on it, but I can't confirm that.
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>>44743021
A lot of people go for the "reincarnation with temporary memory loss" angle with origins.
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>>44743028
There's a WIP, is there not?
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>>44743035
Well no one in the series actually had an issue with Dawn, she actually seemed to be pretty popular with the people who were aware she was actually a magical construct retconned into their lives.
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>>44743035
Why? She didn't seem any less human than anyone else due to the nature of her birth.
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>>44743035
Meh, I went in as Xander's sister for that one, simply because his home life sucks and I wanted to give him a better one. He probably could have used a big brother, honestly, but... slayer package.

Mostly I kept popping up unexpectedly to slap the bleach out of Buffy's head when she has blonde moments. So about every ten minutes, some nights.

>>44743045
Yeah, that's true, but this is hardly different. You aren't fucking with peoples' memories per se, you are literally being written into reality retroactively, if memory serves.
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>>44743028
There's an existing WIP, I've never been able to figure out if it's still "in progress" or not since the author kind of disappeared.
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>>44743021
Sorry, my inner paladin's reaction to your "it's no different, except..." was to give it, you and me 'The Look'.

>>44743059
I suspect that's mainly because Dawn wasn't personally responsible for the mindscrew and it was just as involuntary for her as it was for everyone else.
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Okay Jumpers I'm trying to become the most fire thing to have ever existed ever so tell me perks for fire powers, fire control, fire generation, anything of the sort.

Give me as many jumps as possible because now that Akame Ga Kill is a thing I'm gonna be Anti-Esdeath but with fire instead.
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>>44743074
She isn't natural, she isn't theirs, and she was forced on them without any choice.
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>>44743136

For a start, go to forgotten realms and become either a fire elemental or an efreet.

Then you want to take firebending and genius twice from both avatar jumps.
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>>44743136
Just ask OAA whenever he's around. He's all about fire.
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>>44743136
Pyre of the Seraphic in Age of Ice.

Get it, after that it's up to you what you do with it. It gives you a constant supply of fire mana, and you can either throw people into it to turn them into Fire Elementals or you can pull an OAA and rewrite it's metaphysics.
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>>44743129
I recommend, in that case, that you don't take any role but drop-in.
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>>44743206
>Pyre of the Seraphic in Age of Ice.
Mix it with the First Flame.
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>>44743163
Fair enough. I think at that point Buffy was more or less just rolling with how weird her life was.
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>>44743239
First Flame I'd be careful with. Take only a small sample of it and grow it from there. It consumes souls like tinder.
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>>44743242
I'd take it out on the girl less than I would those who forced her on me. I'd definitely shun her though.
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>>44743239
That reminds me. Get the Lord Souls in Dark Souls, and Forge of Souls from God of War. Forge from the Lord Souls, like a lamp or something.
>>44743257
It's not really an issue those souls were fed to it intentionally by the people who had them. The very first thing that people did when the first fire appeared was take the Lord Souls out of it. It's nature is tied to the Lord Souls, but it doesn't just consume them.
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>>44743242
>was more or less just rolling with how weird her life was.

Sounds like the average Jumper companion.
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>>44743261
I don't think I could shun her, were I in the same position. She'd be some sort of biological relative, a fourteen year old child, the key to the end of the world that I don't want running off, and actually my legal responsibility. That's close enough to actual family for me. I didn't choose my other sisters either, so it really wouldn't be too different.
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>>44743207
True, not a good idea to annoy my inner paladin, the dude's got a lot more ranks in Sense Motive than I do in Bluff. I'm at 122 jumps so far, still Drop-In.
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>>44741703
Cool, thanks.
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>>44743136
Take something like Adaptive Body from God of War, okay?

And then take somma dese special flames rolling around, like Summerfire and Soul Fire and the Dying Will Flames, and eat 'em.

Better yet just >>44743172
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>>44742190
blue magic from final fantasy 8
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>>44743081
>you are literally being written into reality retroactively, if memory serves.
If you mean for the origin in question, that's pretty clearly not the case: "memories of your family will be modified to think you've been here all your life." To think it meaning they're wrong.
For the character the origin is based on, it's iffier, but I'd say there's no actual modification of the past going on since there's no application of the butterfly effect beyond things the spell changed directly as a cover.
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Are there any perks or abilities where I can bind a living soul? Because there is a few characters I've read about in Akame ga kill that don't deserve the sweet release of death.
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>>44743393
DnD has what you're looking for. You can tie the souls to shiny enough rocks. If you can get your hands on a Millenium Item you can also start shadow games that let you force souls into cards. Evangelion has Soul Science which stuck people in mechs. There's probably something for it in Undertale, maybe.
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>>44743383
I see. I stand corrected then, thank you.
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>>44743171
go efreet, you get the ability to grant three wishes a day.
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>>44743435
I want to be able to torture the souls in question that I bind would those still allow it?
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>>44743393
Elder Scrolls
FMA
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>>44743460
Evangelion's soul science would, at least. Unsure about the rest.
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>>44743393
Dark Binding.

Well, no. They'd technically be dead. But you can make them be aware and in pain, if you want to.

Which you do!
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>>44743393
hellsing's dark binding for evil beings you kill and castlevania's power of dominance works on monsters
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>>44743435
>>44743497
>>44743528
>>44743532
>>44743554
Thank you all.
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Speaking of Dark Binding, can you actually use the powers of those you absord that way?
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>>44743626
Yes.
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>>44743626
People say that, but we have two examples and neither of them display it.

Alucard sends them out at the end as his personal soul army, and primarily fights by gunfighting. Seras can manifest Pip during that fight with the werewolf and gets the shadow-arm-tentacle-thing.
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>>44743934
The manifestation of Schrodinger's power is why Alucard discombobulates.
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>>44743967
That's not really using a power though so much as a poor reaction to Schrodinger's power. If Alucard were in control of that he wouldn't disappear.

Then again,
>>44743934
I swear I remembered him using Rip Van Winkles' bullet guidance power. But that might have just been me imagining what I wanted to happen. It's been awhile.
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>>44741660
>>44741686

Clover here. I have no Internet until the weekend so ill make this quick.

Two guns counts as one form.

Represent is gained when you decide not to choose your backgrounds semblance or purchase one. It starts at year zero but is effectively nothing. Level up your social links to unlock true power!
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>>44744022
Pretty sure he just summons Rip to have her shoot bullets, same with Alhambra.
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>>44744022
>I swear I remembered him using Rip Van Winkles' bullet guidance power.
I believe that was after he summoned her and she was the one using it. I guess technically you could say Alucard was using it since she was his slave. He did the same with the card guy. Manifestation seems to be needed but Alucard suddenly popped up at the end of the series so it's possible their abilities are usable without summoning.
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>>44744035
Quick question if you're still here, does "mimic a small fraction of other Semblances" mean a small fraction of each Semblance's power or a small fraction of the number of Semblances you encounter?
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>>44744099
I remember reading something like he had to dump out all his souls to come back, so... I dunno honestly.
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Is it me or is there something wrong with Spiral Knight Jump? For some reason I just get a grey page.
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>>44744035
>Two guns count as one.
Great! Thanks. I still need to pay to import both don't I?
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>>44744211
Copy on the drive is working for me, fwiw.
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>>44744211
Works for me.
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>>44744211
Refresh the page and look at it again Many.
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>>44744256
Hrm. The perk for your Variable Weapon says "For 25CP you can import weapons". That's weapons, plural. So: Variable Weapon, free. Import a staff and a pair of guns, 25CP. Result: a staff that can turn into a pair of guns and back. Just don't lose either of the guns or you wouldn't be able to change them back to a staff, I guess?
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Does anyone have a good Idea for an Amber Based Emotional Flux? No matter how hard I look, I can't find anything for associated emotions.
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>>44744532
You might wanna wait for the update. It'll probably be clearer then.
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>>44741728
We used to think they were cool. No, really-long ago we spec'd in german swordsmanship and CQC. These days? Well, we feel just about as strongly for them as any melee weapon-that is to say, infinitely inferior to directed energy weapons.

The only way we really use them now is to spam them UBW-style using a High Speed Divine Words-enhanced array of Ars Megiddo projections. The Ars Megiddo used to merely be the Godslayer blackened first through Angel Slayer coruption, then our Noble Phantasm, then used as the epicenter for terrible DF dimensional magics/localised uber-Bounded Field experimentation to create an embodiment of divinity judging wrath.

Because frankly, that's as much dignity as the promises made by Erebus' "gods" deserve.
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>>44744446
>>44744280
>>44744277
I don't know what's going on. I've tried GDrive, it's a grey page. Tried chrome, only the first page shows up. Tried safari (I'm on my phone) and it won't even load, says "loading error".
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>>44744732
I want to see someone using a bunch of Sol Blades in some UBW copy. Summoning hundreds of swords that each summon a meteor would be a funny sight to see.
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>>44744773
Maybe your phone's OS or PDF-reading app has borked. Reboot your phone?
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>>44744773
Have you tried power cycling your device?
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>>44744513
So it does. Thanks for pointing that out.
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>>44744773
Have you got it working?
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>>44744773
Try this?

Might be like the Jojo jump in that there's a corrupted image that keeps it from being loaded on certain devices. At least this jump can be fixed if that's the case.
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What perks would let me pull off a V for Vendetta style plot?
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Pact jump when?
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>>44746039
When you make it Anon.
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>>44746061
I know
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>>44746039
>endless arguments about "how do I kill Barbatorem/Faysal/The Abyss" when?

FTFY
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>>44744833
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>>44745190
>>44745374
Thanks for everyone's help. I did all that, and thanks for the PDF. It would seem that the one that was recently updated for whatever reason kept failing to load. There was a older version of a few days that loaded perfectly.
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>>44743021
>Buffy
>Happy
Nigga please, to be a Whedon Protagonist is to suffer.
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Transmetropolitan question:If I have an extra life can I become a foglet without losing the jump?
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>>44743129
Your inner paladin kinda has a stick up his ass, and should maybe get laid, or have a cup of mead, or something.
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>>44746567
I suspect not...as I think "Extra Life" only kicks in if you die, and becoming a foglet isn't dying, it counts as "Choosing to Stay or Go Home".
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>>44743371
>>44742518
Thanks going on the list
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>>44743129
He was saying that it's no different from any identity but drop-in from other jumps but that you don't get memories from it. Unless you're one of those 'Drop-Ins only' guys your inner paladin needs to get his paladining license revoked because he's an idiot.
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>>44746560
Well she attracts lovers like crazy. She even went lesbian for awhile.
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>>44743136
I accidentally ended up doing a fire thing this run after some bizarre rolls in Light of Terra. Got Pyromancy and Molten Warrior from the Magnus/Ahriman DLC and then rolled Pyromaniac twice on the table in the last DLC. There's also a couple of fire like things in the C'tan reward thing at the end if you don't break the deadlight.

For other stuff there's PMD and the moves you can get there.

Elemental Monarch in Adventure Time is pretty diverse and you can choose fire which lets you create, control and make little dudes out of fire.

Smoke Conduit in InFamous has fire stuff.

The season perk in Narnia can probably do some forest fire style stuff if you choose summer.

You can pick up some other weird fires in certain jumps. Fiendfyre in Harry Potter and Wildfire in ASoIaF are pretty powerful but dangerous.

You can also get elemental perks from most superhero jumps.
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>>44746896
Speaking of narnias season perk we know what summer and winter do but what do the more subtle seasons like fall or spring do?
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>>44744103
I think I recall Clover giving an example a while ago where it was said that copying Ruby's Semblance could give you something like superspeed in short bursts, and Pyrrha's might let you do the "subtle adjustment" thing she does. So it's probably intended to be closer to the former.

It's also probably going to be the latter in practice as well, since just encountering a semblance isn't enough to copy it. You've got to "harmonize" with the user to copy it. So you can copy the powers of your friends and the powers of people you care about and teach aura to, but you can't copy the powers of someone you just met in the middle of a fight. Unless, potentially, you have a shit-ton of befriending perks.
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>>44746379
Aren't they unkillable because "magic?" Wouldn't you be able to kill them by having one of those "you can kill unkillable things if you can beat them" perks and being pretty strong?
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>>44746379
>endless arguments about "how do I waifu Barbatorem/Faysal/The Abyss" when?

FTFY FTFY
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>>44743171
>>44743172
>>44743206
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>>44746896
Thanks guys! I'm gonna be so hot.
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>>44747014
Here's quick fanwanked description of Autumn I did for an aside awhile back.
>Its most notable trait is that of bringing things to fruition, although the ability may also be used to spoil things as well. It is a time of harvest and contentment, but also of fear of the coming winter and death of the plants. If overused Eternal Autumn is naught but a time of death and the end of things, with weariness and sloth following close behind.
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>>44747148
OAA pls go and stay cool
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So, I took Blue Oyster Cult as a Bad Blood Brando. Mostly because the stand for BBB is pretty meh. What's everyone else's stand? If you went with one.
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>>44741938
>How are the Angels in Darksiders?
Shamelessly reasking this question.
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>>44741728
Boring. I'm much more a fan of polearms, hammers, axes, or other specialized weapons. Swords are generalists, never the right tool for the job, and when I can just call whatever weapon I need, why would I want one?
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>>44742418
I'm a fan of them, especially the ones which are basically the platonic ideal of some consumable that I'd otherwise have to keep stocking up on. I think a lot of them are less useful than just grabbing an out-of-background 100 CP perk, though.
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>>44747247
Blue Oyster Cult too... went Joestar, and water control's pretty nice. Especially weaponising it with Hamon.

Also, because I suck at designing freeform stuff like this.

Speaking of... did JoJoAnon ever give a description of it's appearance or is it up to us?
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>>44747247
Ah, good old Moves Like Jagger. Nothing beats weaponized posing.
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>>44747143
Barbatorem literally looks like a fat faceless man in one of its' form and Faysal usually looks like a dog and the Abyss looks like. Oh, and both the Abyss and Barbatorem would rot your dick off for similar reasons as to why you shouldn't stick your dick in antimatter. Just saying.

>>44747071
From what I recall Wildbow lapsed into talking about wells of power when describing Faysal and Barber; the Barber keeps taking a different physical form so you could very well be killing a fragment of it before it magics more of itself into existence.

Don't get me wrong, demons and angels are killable but for reference: A demon of lesser powerlevel than the Barber (but admittedly, part of the most dangerous Choir of demons) was only stalemated by the power of a forgotten light god the size of a small planet. It took divine intervention by Dionysus to impede the Barber, and all it did was slow him down on the way to slaughtering an entire army of Others by posessing the guy who owned the demesne they lived in. To be fair though, it took a team of demon-serving lawyers to help him out of the Abyss first.

So in short-technically yes, you could in the same sense that you could kill Entities by being pretty strong.
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>>44747490
*the Abyss looks like every mistake you've ever made in your life being replayed to you in a dark, confined space that's actively trying to break you into something less than human
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>>44747490
>Barbatorem literally looks like a fat faceless man in one of its' form and Faysal usually looks like a dog and the Abyss looks like. Oh, and both the Abyss and Barbatorem would rot your dick off for similar reasons as to why you shouldn't stick your dick in antimatter. Just saying.

With crawling with love drawback or a gender bender perk and genre savior to make them all cute girls doing cute things (ok no gonna happen) and some form of antimatter body I can see it happening.
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>>44747500
>the Abyss looks like every mistake you've ever made in your life being replayed to you in a dark, confined space that's actively trying to break you into something less than human

Just fyi there was an anon trying to waifu the abyss from mage the awakening which is like x1000 time the worst idea ever. If it exists someone will try to waifu it.
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>>44747500
>*the Abyss looks like every mistake you've ever made in your life being replayed to you in a dark, confined space that's actively trying to break you into something less than human

Considering how many mistakes I've made in my very, very long series of lives, that sounds utterly terrifying.
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>>44747525
That's pretty impressive considering there isn't even an M:TA jump. And probably never will be.

>>44747512
Hah. People keep forgetting Genre Savior is a psychological awareness thing, not an instant-reality rewrite to make things conform to your chinese cartoon. And that Crawling With Love makes them no less unpleasant and awful, so you'd just end up split in half by a loli. Uh, one that bleeds puppies instead of maggots I guess.

Also I didn't mean antimatter in the literal sense, more that Pact demons are metaphysically anathema to existence. And a literal antimatter body would ruin all your romantic prospects forever even if it were possible
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>>44747564
Worst of all, the visions don't just...happen, like a projector. The protag who underwent them was stalked by a simulacrum of someone he considered a friend at one point and a manipulative bastard at a later point.

The whole thing is basically Silent Hill except the place would rather you turn into monsters than be punished forever.
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>>44747576
>That's pretty impressive considering there isn't even an M:TA jump. And probably never will be.


It was talked about for a while and somebody was supposedly making one.
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>>44747576
While I agree with you on all points I also cannot help but take them as a challenge.
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>>44747392
It's up to you.
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>>44747247
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12QI6MvAcUUxFnNuj0vhK733qmtItcxhhZMYYYRSlLms/
Here's my Stand document. My Stand is some fun illusionary BS with the bonus of being able to make itself look like mind control. Always fun to convince two guys that the other one attacked them first.
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Need some help /jc/.
What's the best way to get really good (like outclass the Avatar in the Avatar State good) at elemental manipulation?
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>>44747876
Take different jumps that make you a god of x and choose a different element each time.
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>>44747990
How many jumps actually let you do that?
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>>44748040
Lords of light
Percy jackson if you choose a god of the right kind
Dragonslayer of a element in faerie tail
Supernatural god path
FFVIII with specialization

Maybe more Idk.
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>>44748040
Captain Planet can get you a few, although if you want to go full god mode it's tiring.
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>>44748446
Also gives you a non-negotiable weak spot in each jump.
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>>44748742
I thought it said that after the jump you can choose whether you want to place it in a new jump, letting you choose if you want a weak point that also increase your power.
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>>44748742
>>44748785
I looked, and it says that "when entering a new jump, you may insert your Sanctum wherever you like, so long as it fits your Domain." A liberal reading of the word "may" in that description leads to the interpretation that you could choose not to place your Sanctum if you wanted to.

I think this is one of those things where you've got to go with whatever works with your chain. Maybe you could also decide to rule, since the two of you are linked, that your Sanctum is as durable as you are? That could help a lot. Maybe you could also try to be a smartass by somehow putting you Sanctum inside the Warehouse?
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>>44747576
>That's pretty impressive considering there isn't even an M:TA jump. And probably never will be.

There doesn't need to be - Vampire and Changeling are both in the same setting.

When you're there, you can nominally interact with these things even if you won't touch a Watchtower.
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>>44747876

Negima magic does combat elementalism better and with far more versatility, though it has less continent shifting (still possible, but beyond anything shown).
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>>44749200
I heard a while ago that for the purposes of nWoD jumps other splats don't exist unless stated as per drawback, but I dunno how accurate that statement was

>>44749232
Magi magic looks the most stylish, though
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What sort of things could an A+++ ranked Anti-Thaumaturgy Noble Phantasm pull off? Caster's dagger was pretty dope, I'm not even going Servant and I'm morbidly curious what an A+++ strength version of her hat trick could do
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>>44749283
>I heard a while ago that for the purposes of nWoD jumps other splats don't exist unless stated as per drawback, but I dunno how accurate that statement was

Oh? Well that's probably a good idea.

There're a lot of competing apocalypses with no real connection, it makes the Buffy world look like a nice place for a vacation and long-term investments.
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>>44749232
Doesn't it require a long chant before each use of magic, though?
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>>44749637

Yes and no - the chant helps, but is only needed for the top-tier spells or when you haven't fully mastered it.

At any rate, that's basically the same as needing a martial kata to bend.
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So who's watching Expanse?

or have the read the books?
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>>44750148
>Expanse
It's one of those shows that I want to like more than I actually like.
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>>44750148
I've read the books, but while I have the episodes of the show on my DVR I haven't gotten around to watching them yet.
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>>44750331
Thomas Jayne does a good spess gumshoe, but he doesn't get near enough screen time.
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In Dresden Files, if you take the Job Offer, can you decide to switch to someone from another jump, then keep them as your new permanent contractor, lasting through every jump? Or do you HAVE to change it every jump you can if you choose to change it?
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>>44750719
You can keep the original so I don't see why you can't keep a different one.
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Would Bending count as a magical system for the purpose of perks like Gift of the Thousand Master, Conjoined Conjures, Arcane, etc.?
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>>44750825
Chi and other spiritual arts like chakra from Naruto tend to be assumed to be handled differently. However, Dual Casting from Castlevania lets you combine chi arts with magic arts like Conjoined Conjures does magic with magic, so you could easily slot them together and get magic-boosting perks to work that way.
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>>44749395
You're thinking OWoD, NWOD is relatively worse day to day but the world isn't fundamentally fucked and about to be blown to smithireens eight different ways.
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>>44751385
B8
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So who here met ET in Star Wars?
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>>44752263
Wut.
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>>44752389
Crossover. The ET aliens exist in the Star Wars galaxy.
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>>44752413
Come now crossovers aren't usually canon or else you could meet saiyans and the one piece crew in toriko.
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>>44752389
ET's race exists in Star Wars. And given that ET reacts to the kid in the Yoda costume with familiarity, that suggests that Yoda exists in the ET universe. So there's a popular fan theory that they take place in the same universe. Begs the question of how ET got to Earth from a galaxy far, far away. Then again, Yoda died a long time ago, so perhaps ET's been in relativistic time dilation on the trip.
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>>44752389
I think he means pic related. It's a new alien introduced in the Force Awakens.
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>>44752459
This one appears in canon scenes multiple times.
>>44752478
Nope.

Also I hated that character.
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>>44752478
I think he's referring to the Asogians, actually. They're mentioned as having funded an expedition to another galaxy, implied to be ET's ship. It's a little Easter Egg that Lucas threw in as an in joke for Spielberg. Their ruler is even named Grebleips, "Spielberg" backwards.
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Didn't we have a Pirates of the Dark Waters jump or was I imagining it?
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>>44752878
You imagined it.
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>>44747876
take bending genius for one element then learn to real eater it rapid fire in combat for the illusion of complete mastery of all elements, or just change one with real eater to use two elements at a time.
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>>44753075
The problem with Real Eater is that it requires you to distend your head into a horrific shadowy maw, first. It's neither subtle nor fast.
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>>44753147
I'm sure it's possible to speed it up anon.
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>>44753075
>take bending genius twice for one element
sorry
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>>44753147
didn't think of that. But you can still use two elements at a time that keep changing every time people see you, even in a fight, you just have to put a little distance between you, mix them up, then rejoin the fight. As long as they don't find out that you actually have to stop to change elements it should be fine.
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>>44752564
Another problem with meeting ET is we don't know his name only that he's a botanist. Also remember that Star Wars happens "A long long time ago in a galaxy far away" so he probably hasn't even been born. >>44752413
>>44752263
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>>44742190
Vortessence (Half-Life)
Hamon (JoJo)
Spin (JoJo)
Plasmids/Gene Tonics (Bioshock)
Bending (Avatar)
Biotics (Mass Effect) Hypothetically, if you had enough SCIENCE! perks.
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>>44753147
Clearly the best solution is to have always had your head be a horrific shadow.
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>>44753075
>>44753147
What the hell is Real Eater?
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>>44753647
It's from Medaka Box. Lets you convert any ability into another of similar utility and related theme. So you could turn immunity to poison to immunity to disease, but not complete invulnerability since that's far more useful. Or on the "related theme" angle, you could turn ice powers into fire power, but not into shapeshifting, since that's too different conceptually.
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>>44753712
And this requires you to turn your head into a giant shadow?
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So, for those of you who did Forgotten Realms and didn't just choose a traditional PC one or a type of dragon: What's your race?
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>>44753465
Biotics aren't really worth it since you have to be exposed to Element Zero before birth and you need augmentations to make it worth while. You'd have to do a lot of modifications to make anyone as strong as Jack.

>>44742190
If you're counting surgical modifications;
>Psionics-[X-com]
>Gene-Mods-[X-com]
>Brutes-[Killing Bites]
>Zoanthropes-[Bloody Roar]
>Super Soldier serum-[MCU]
>Extremis-[MCU]
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>>44753825
Nymph, with the Radiant and Woodling templates.

That really hurt when combined with the Light Blindness drawback.
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>>44753825
You can be a dragon in the Forgotten Realms jump?
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>>44753958
It's basically the only reason people go there.
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>>44753804
Yes. You're literally eating the ability and spitting it back out altered.
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>>44753825
Brilani or something. Autumn fey spirit that can turn into a snow storm.
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>>44754062
But afterwords you don't have to have a big head when you use the ability right? So you "Eat" say "Fire Magic" and turn it into "Shadow Magic". Does it stay "Shadow Magic" for good?
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>>44753958
More specifically, Prismatic Dragon. Best choice, anything else is worse in the long run.
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>>44754153
Yeah, the giant shadow head is only for when you're altering it. The perk remains that way after the shadow head goes away, until you choose to revert it. You have to return the perk to baseline before you alter it a second time, by the way, to keep you from slowly moving the themes of the ability to something extremely distant from what it started as.
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>>44754189
well, you could go time dragon instead
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>>44754189
You pay the CR of the race in x100 for it, right? How much is that?
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>>44754189
I'd rather be a shadow dragon, personally. Those things are cool.
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>>44754195
Now can it be used on yourself?
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>>44753465
>>44753943
Thank you, added to the list


Current list:

Powers you can give or teach

naruto chakra,
D&d magic,
bleach,
Jojos bazaar adventure artowhead
Power armor from mcu genius line
Starwars force powers
Animorphs morphing cube
Sims has potions that can make you a witch
fullmetal alchemist alchemy with difficulty
Worm cauldron viles
Archive magic from faerie tail to download stuff into people
Geneforge
Raildex esper powers if you take hard science
Blue magic from ff8
Psionics-[X-com]
Gene-Mods-[X-com]
Brutes-[Killing Bites]
Zoanthropes-[Bloody Roar]
Super Soldier serum-[MCU]
Extremis-[MCU]
Vortessence (Half-Life)
Hamon (JoJo)
Spin (JoJo)
Plasmids/Gene Tonics (Bioshock)
Bending (Avatar)
Biotics (Mass Effect) Hypothetically, if you had enough SCIENCE! perks.
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>>44754365
I don't think so, no. Maybe if you had a companion with it, too, but on its own I can't see how it would be able to affect itself.
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>>44754303
1400. For a newborn wyrmling. An adult one is 3900.

Expensive as fuck.
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>>44754189
So what are they capable of?
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>>44754457
Anything else included with it? Aren't DnD Dragons naturally sorcerers?
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>>44754568
>>44754633
Here's a page with some stats:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/dragonEpic.htm#prismaticDragon

I'm not an expert on DnD, but I recognize bullshit power when I see it.
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>>44754457
And not worth it. 2,400 years of adventuring will make you so hilariously Epic that a Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon wouldn't even qualify as a mook.
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So, trying to put together a build for Thing-Thing.

Is it worth getting Science Behind the Scenes?
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>>44754742

Honestly? They're a trap.

If you want power, just going as a Full Caster gets you power. You could easily get Epic Level Arcane, Divine and Psionics, and just make an Epic Shapechange that lets you turn into a super dragon or something.

That's a fair bit of bookkeeping though. So a better monster would be Solar, which has 9th level cleric casting, or anything similar.
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Would taking the Safehouse in the InFamous jump give me it just for that jump or would I have a safehouse for every jump from that point onwards?
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>>44754878
>>44754908
>Prismatic Dragon
>Caster

whynotboth.jpg
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>>44754938
Because I could buy the Wizard, Archivist, Warblade, and Psion classes, and have a ton of CP left over.
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>>44754931
I took it to mean there's always a safehouse in your jump, unless it would make no sense for one to be there.
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>>44754908
I've never been in an Epic Level campaign yet. How different is being Epic from normal caster?
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>>44754993
The main issue with taking all those classes is levels and the CR needed to increase them.
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>>44754938

If you really wanted to go crazy, you'd do something like...

Beholderkin ???/Beholder Mage 2/Ur-Priest 2/Mystic Theurge 8/Psion 3/Arcane Caster 3/Cerebremancer 8/Chameleon 10/Cleric 1

Eh, very ugly, because I don't feel like figuring out the fine details. Anyway, you wouldn't really waste time on monster levels as they're usually inefficient.

Baasiclly the FR jump is terrible, because if you take most of the disadvantages, you end up with 6000CP to spend on become powerful enough to trivialise them all.
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>>44754908
You think being a Mindwitness is worth it?
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>>44755038

It's where balance ceases to be shit and becomes completely imaginary.

Epic Spells can do anything from "turn your single phylactery into twenty" to "flip a mountain and turn it into a sky city" to "kill everything in that city and turn it into minions" to "create a city-spanning magical aura that grants everyone you like all the buffs, and prevents anyone you don't like from doing anything magical".

And because you can wrap the Epic Spell Rules around your little finger, these can be mitigated down to triviality by having assistants or sacrificing easy-to-generate gold.

And it's even canon to do it like that - I was just looking at the Mythal rules, and they totally cheesed it out.
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>>44755059
>Become a Tarrasque Monk.
>whatcouldgowrong.png
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>>44755091

Doesn't look like you get too much from it - Psion levels willg et you a better Mind Blast anyway. Taking all the Beholder Mage levels is also a very defendable choice, because their Spell Stalks feature is fantastic.
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This is why folks you specialize in anti-magic. Turns wizards, sorcerers and the like who rely on their spells into chumps.
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>>44755051
>The main issue with taking all those classes is levels and the CR needed to increase them.
Unless you realize that a TT gaming mechanic makes no real world sense, and therefore can more or less just be ignored.
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>>44755051
Yeah, but if you're leveling under d20 rules Prismatic Dragon kills your shoots to level far more - and if not, what's the issue?
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>>44755346
It's still reflective of learning rates on some level.
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>>44755346
I believe that's major problem the jump is that it encourages you to think along the lines of the system. Like it would be fine if it was something that is a parody of it. Like Goblins, where you can be 1/11th of every base class at 1st level because your name is Fumbles.
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>>44755382
On some level, sure. It takes more time to learn two or three disciplines than it does to learn one.

But the whole bit about how fights have to scale to your cumulative level otherwise you don't learn shit? That's just retarded.

>>44755404
The FR jump has been called a character creator as opposed to a jump, and while that's not charitable I don't think it's necessarily inaccurate. Having said that, I don't think that game mechanics, TT or vidya, translate 1-to-1 to real world application or implementation.

Anything that makes me feel like I have to hit X alot to be successful I will typically just ignore.
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>>44755338

Or, why you take Initiate of Mystra and just cast spells in antimagic anyway.
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>>44755346
>>44755469
I just houserule that leveling takes place in a more organic fashion. My rough archetype is the leveling in Skyrim; the more you use something, the better you get at it. All of that ends up making you more experienced, but that doesn't mean that a level 50 wizard has to box a balrog in order to level his unarmed combat.
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>>44755612
>Mystra
Not the worst FR god, but if I were to sling divine magic in that setting I wouldn't do it for her per se.
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Suppose I'm an Angel from Evangelion, and therefore have my soul and my biology be the same thing. If I then take perks that let me manipulate my biology, could I use that to hack my soul? I'm thinking basic shapeshifting wouldn't do it, that could just be my physical projection changing. But what about something like Karma Chameleon from GUNM, where your biology is constantly evolving? Could Karma Chameleon's effects then upgrade my metaphysical traits as well as my physical ones?
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>>44755612
Worst god.
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>>44755728
Is there any FR god who's actually worth following? They are all tremendous cockwhores. Even the ones who seem at first glance like they shouldn't be.
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>>44755774
Nah, that'd be the cavalcade of edgelord death and murder gods. Those are always poorly written in FR.
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>>44755799
None of them have power for long or a lot of relevance, though. Mystra is pervasive.
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>>44755404
Needs to be scrapped and replaced with a jump made by someone competent. Or less incompetent.
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>>44755872
That's not how this works, shitstain. Go make a Dragonlance, Greyhawk or Eberron jump if you really want a new DnD jump.
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>>44755812
Eh, the problem with Mystra is that she's the waifu of Greenwoods SI DMPC. If not for that, I'm sure she'd be a fine enough magic god.
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>>44755929
She's his waifu, and as much of a Mary Sue as Elminster.
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>>44755872
Or just finished. The jumpmaker said anyone could work on it as long as they didn't delete anything; adding or altering stuff could still improve it a lot.
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>>44755917
If he wanted to do a jump in FR, he could make a BG jump. We've got a jumpable NWN, so there's nothing saying we couldn't have a BG.
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>>44755972
He certainly could. Or he could lore up the NWN one so it can get out of the WIP section.
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Does the Parasol from Super Mario count as a Companion?
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>>44755983
>Or he could lore up the NWN one so it can get out of the WIP section.
He could. It's still jumpable, though. Honestly, I like the framework of it and I'd love to see it more love.
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>>44756047
But you and I both know he won't, because he'd rather complain and cause trouble rather than solve things himself.
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>>44755917
What are the interesting aspects of each potential setting?
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>>44756079
>Dragonlance
Kender.
>Eberron
More technologically advanced, sometimes kinda steampunk or Renaissance. Has a loli pope and spellcasting is a lot weaker, but this is where Artificer comes from and if you know anything about DnD, you know how good that one is.

I don't know anything about Greyhawk, I just know it exists.
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>>44756022
I want to know if the pet yoshi or sidekick luma are companions.
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>>44756142
Also add any Organism Teigu you buy Sapient for to the list of "is this a Companion?"
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>>44756184
1. Organism Type Teigu that you purchase for yourself, and to be sapient may be changed from Teigu to companion at the end of the jump if you so choose. You may however not turn Organism Type Teigu of your companions into more companions.
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>>44756229
>if you so choose

So it's entirely up to me? Fun.
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>>44754894
So, anyone going to answer my question?
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>>44756280
You'd probably have to wait for Digger, that's an obscure jump
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>>44753943
don't forgot M.O. surgeon from terra formars and everything from franked fran with your including surgical modifications granting abilities
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>>44756313
Alright.

Just wondering if it's really worth it. There are, like, half a dozen jumps with cloning perks, and you could probably pick up bio-mechanical dragons in Mass Effect.
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>>44747340
As indicated by the In Character complication, Angels are arrogant (to others) and obedient (to their superiors), Demons are paranoid and cruel, and Humans were out of their depth.

To quote from the wiki, "Angel society is typified by a militant obsession with the righteousness of their cause and a fervent belief in the rule of law, order, and justice. The Codex Bellum (lit. Book of War/War Book) provides an immensely complex code of laws that rule every aspect of Angel society".

They really don't get on well with Demons, having fought them for millennia before the Council enforced treaties between them, and as for humans... well, the cliches about "oh look it's a talking monkey" like how the Eldar regard Humans in 40k? Yeah, kinda like that.

tl,dr: Angels have a big stick up their ass, Demons shove pointy sticks up asses, and Humans hadn't developed big enough sticks to survive the Apocalypse.
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>>44754420
medic box also has Lip Service that lets you temporally grant someone one of your abilities if you can't use it on your self.
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>>44756487
Yeah, but you lose access to it while they have it. You're not giving them a copy that they could use on yours, you're giving them the perk outright. However, you can buy Real Eater for them with the companion import, so just do that, makes the whole thing easier.
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>>44756459
You can blame War for that, by the way. Humans were meant to be left alone until they were strong enough to rival the other two, but he kickstarted shit early and fucked humans over for good.
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>>44756537
No, that was Abaddon that kicked off the apocalypse early. War just got the blame because he was the only one of the Horsemen to show up for the early apocalypse, made him an easy scapegoat.
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>>44756537
Have you even played the game?

It was all multiple ruses concocted by both the Council and Heaven to try and force Hell into a worse situation - only Hell figured out Heaven's ploy and counteracted it by invading Earth, and the Council reacting to Abaddon's plot by sending War, thus creating the scapegoat that they would then use via War's intense need for honor to bring the true perpetrators down, and then they would dispose of War.
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>>44756537
Any way to save humanity from being annihilated? Or do they come pre-fucked?
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>>44756122
Eberron does sound fun, wonder if anyone's claimed it
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>>44756684
Nobody has.
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>>44756487
Hmm, I'll have to use that. When I get a companion.

>>44756142
Well there's also Demon Arms from DMC, they're sentient, but I don't think it's a companion. Mine is in shape of a umbrella, he's not very happy about it.
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>>44756662
You land after humanity's fucked.
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>>44756662
By the time the jump starts the apocalypse has already come and gone. Everyone's dead, the only humans you'll find are zombies. However, it's possible to revive. That's the plot of Darksiders 2. So just help Death out with his quests in the realm of the dead and you can bring humanity back.
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>>44756737
Don't Shushus from Wakfu count as companions though? I thought they did.
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>>44756823
Last I checked they don't.
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>>44756636
I still feel like humanity will be brought back.
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>>44756840
Oh, my bad.
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>>44756841
They almost certainly will be, if there's a Darksiders 3. The end of Darksiders 2 is Death freeing the trapped souls of humanity and returning them to life, so it would be very odd if they weren't around in any future games.
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>>44756872
Big IF there, unfortunately.
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>>44756841
See >>44756808
Though it's not explained in what manner humanity is coming back. Or where to, for that matter. Earth is in pretty bad shape.

Oh and the afterlife in Darksiders is bloody awful.
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>>44756872
>>44756908
And even if they come back, they're still fucked. Demons and Angels still out-tech and magic them heavily.
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Everyone was discussing Real Eater earlier and now it's shifted to Darkstalkers, which gives me an idea.

Could Real Eater be used to change what you're the Rider of?
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>>44756908
>Oh and the afterlife in Darksiders is bloody awful.
Is that because heaven and the angles are douche, or is there another reason?
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In the yu gi oh jump the 800cp perk recharge annually, daily if you take nightmares: post jump do i have to keep having nightmares to recharge it daily?
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>>44757048
Ok i'm stupid i didn't see the note, nevermind
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>>44756313
>Digger
Exqueeze me, a baking powder?
I had nothing to do with Thing-Thing.
All I've got to my name is Cave Story, TOME and Kid Radd.
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>>44757026
Well, that's something I can help them with, especially if I go Maker and pick up the Angel Tech perk.
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>>44757185
...and UNDERTALE, but that was mostly Brows with me just tossing perks here and there and acting as a sounding board.
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>>44757199
Well, yeah, of course a Jumper could turn that situation right around.
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>>44757027
death=closure, fury=passion, war=debate, strife=sports?
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>>44756422
>>44756313

I don't think that author is still around. He used to make a lot of jumps in that style, but not anymore.
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>>44741617
Yo, I've got a question.

I started out with the Undertale jump. What happens if I don't have any allies stored with me, and I pick the "scattered allies" and "amalgam" disadvantages?
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>>44757350
Eh, fuck it. I'll get Arena. That seems far more useful.
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>>44757295
I don't know, exactly. I was just curious if it was possible.
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>>44757426
It's been mentioned you can't take amalgam without companions. Not sure about scattered allies. That said, picking Undertale as your first jump is apparently basically a guaranteed loss, since you're dropped in 5 years before Flowey loses Save State.
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>>44757038
Nah, Darksiders has a different cosmology. Heaven, Hell, Earth, Eden, etcetera are all separate realms. It's a bit Norse in that respect. As far as I can tell, any soul - Human, Angel, Demon, Nephilim, whatever* - that dies goes to the Well. There the Guardian of the Well sends them on to the appropriate Afterlife (if they have one).

Humans normally** get sent from the Well to the City in the Land Of The Dead, which processes them - gradually strips them of their personality/memories - before sending them back to Earth reincarnation-style. If you die but manage to escape the City, you wander the Wastes as an undead being or thing (depending on how much of your identity had been taken before you escaped).

*exception: really ancient souls, like those of Makers, aren't part of the Well cosmology because they existed before it did.

**until the Apocalypse, which cocked up the whole metaphysical works.
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>>44757639
>Reincarnation
So it's a shitty, horrifying afterlife. Basically final death.
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>>44757584
> basically a guaranteed loss
Flowey's purportedly been bored for awhile, and unless you go Drop In or Fallen Human he's probably got memories enough to be bored of you anyway. So it really depends on how much of a job you do attracting his attention.
Either play the part of a boring monster so he doesn't think to try to interact with you, or hang out with the people he's apparently unable to kill, like Sans or Asgore.
Or just make it your third jump and make your second jump anything that can give you the ability to teleport, like Kirby. Then you can run if he starts flinging bullets at you.
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>>44757721
Yep, like I said, bloody awful. If you jump it, you might want to consider deposing its ruler, taking their place, and installing a nicer alternative before Death frees a hundred-odd billion Human souls from being stuck in the Well (if I'm remembering the plot correctly and your Jumper doesn't butterfly it).
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>>44758084
>Before
Seems to me that the best course of action would be to help Death free the souls so humanity as a species is saved, then take the place of the ruler of the afterlife to make a better one for people when they end up dying naturally.
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>>44757584

There is ONE way to take Undertale as your second jump and not be killed.

It's the blatantly correct choice.
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>>44758159
>Megalovania intensifies.
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>>44757738
To be fair, Drop-in or fallen human means he has no major power over you.
I always reckoned he only murdered everyone because he has a prodigious LOVE and has infinite tries, which only works if you're a monster.
And if you're a monster, he's probably done with you already.
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>>44758130
Could be. Just be careful not to bollix Death's route as "freeing all the souls of Humanity" wasn't the only option for him at the end. He was also offered the chance to resurrect his own race, the Nephilim, instead.
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>>44758159
Don't kill, and don't be killed, okay?
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>>44757639
So what are the Angels like? I've got the jump coming up soon and I'm looking hard at that origin.
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>>44758424
>>44756459
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>>44758654
What about teh demins?
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>>44758773
Paranoid, cruel, the whole "might makes right, the weak get stepped on".
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>>44758818
So this is one of those worlds where nobody isn't an asshole.
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>>44758654
Thanks!
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>>44758830
Makers arent assholes.
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>>44759163
What do they do while everyone else is a shithead?
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>>44758830
Eh... somewhat? There are still individuals who just want to get along, the thing is that in the games you're War or Death and you're mostly running around in warzones, not the peaceful parts of the various realms. So you have to deal with an above-average ratio of assholes.
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>>44759252
Make cool shit?
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>>44759332
What kinda cool shit?
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>>44759252
They deal with all of their inventions slowly being corrupted and turned against them with everything they sent out meeting a similar fate of being controlled by demons. Some/most of which are made from the "dead" makers with their souls infused into it. So they are trying to not go the way of humanity here and just survive in their remaining corner of their plane.
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>>44759347
Guns, seals to keep bad shit locked down, armor, weapons, cages, all kinds of stuff.
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>>44758215
>And if you're a monster, he's probably done with you already.
Since I decided to be a Temmie in that jump, I guess my survival strategy is going to be getting really good at saying "hoi!" so he doesn't catch on.
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>>44759531
I doubt Flowey ever even bothered the Temmies. They're not good targets for him, they wouldn't react how he wants.

Also why would you be a Temmie?
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>>44759555
>why would you be a Temmie?
Because they're cute.
I also took the Bob option, if that makes it more understandable.
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>>44759555
Are you having a chuckle? Ha ha, very funny. I'm the one with budget toon physics.
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>>44759555
Why WOULDN'T you be a Temmie?
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>>44759555
If you take drop-in perks as a temmie, you can make people have a bad tem, which should be all the reason anyone needs.
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How do people transfer these bigass ships between jumps? Do yo just start with a cp bought ship and build it up gradually? Do you build it in pieces then Import it for cp? How does it work?
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>>44760120
magnets
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>>44760120
depending on what you mean by bigass ships, there are more than a couple jumps where you can get spaceships for CP, and Light of Terra is pretty much the gold standard as far as bigass ships goes.
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>>44760158
Im talking things like deathstars and such.
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>>44760120
Yes.
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>>44760120
> bigass ships
My ship is just a heavily modified Spittle Runner. It fits in any garage and can easily fit through my warehouse portal.

I think most people just assume things bought with CP follow them from jump to jump, though, no storage required.
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>>44760307
You keep things you make so slap an AI in there that you make and there you go, your ship follows you around. Import it for cp at the first chance you get.
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>>44760120
Someone showed a pastebin recently on how they did it. They built or remade the ships with RWBY Bigger on the Inside so they could make them transform into a smaller size, then used shrink rays and anti gravity on that, then took that with them to the next jump. If you have the industrial capability to pull that off you could probably do the same.
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>>44760541
I was trying to bring my own deathstar with me. I have the technology to make it but wan't sure how to go about it.
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>>44760532
I don't think it works like that.
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>>44760748
You don't need pods for sapient things you create. At worst you would have to make it a new body when you imported it as a ship.
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>>44760798
>don't need pods for things you make
>clearly this means making a single ai lets you take fleets of death stars
Explain how this makes sense.
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>>44760798
You can designate sapient things you create as companions. So if you're fine with them taking up a companion slot, that would work. But you don't just get to drag them along with you for nothing.
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>>44760832
You can't take a person without their body. As long as it's a smart AI it will come along. The rule has always been keep what you make. Not a fleet of death stars but one with the AI installed.
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>>44760859
It isn't for nothing they are a companion. They just pull double duty in this case.
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>>44760859
Thats pretty much all companions are.

People you drag along with you for no reason.
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>>44760859
Kind of like how you cant drag normal companions along huh? We have plenty of jumpers who should have no companions but they have loads.


>>44760798
I honestly dont know why this matters.


>>44760590
Then maybe you should look into shrinky tech. Marvel universe has pim particles that are great for it.

>>44760832
He said 1 to 1.
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In the SCP jump, how bad of an idea would it be to take the perk that makes you immune to the concept of "forgetting," and then look at SCP-055?
http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-055
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>>44760120
Pokeballs and fanwank bruh.
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>>44760903
Then you just take the AI with you and not the body. That's never been a ruling. It's never been as easy as just slotting a small chip into a stupidly massive planetkiller and claiming "lol i bring it". Otherwise you could just beam hundreds of AIs to fleets and instantly drag them along. That's stupid.
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>>44761315
>If you have a child, you can only take their brain with you, not their body!
In your assmad you have said something very stupid.
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>>44761252
It cries.
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>>44761378
>implying an AI is a child
>implying it's not just a machine
If you're going to houserule just keep it to yourself.
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>>44761378
>If I graft my companions brain into the deathstar, the deathstar become my companion.
Doesn't make any less sense than the shit you're spouting.
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What, exactly, is a Fingerking, and why is their attention a 300 CP drawback in Fallen London?
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>>44761446
An AI is your creation. It's very comparable.

>>44761453
That actually makes logical sense. meanwhile you're desperately spouting logical dissonance because you are OFFENDED someone could do this and get what you personally don't want them to have.
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So, do you guys think it's worth it to become a Big Trouble changeling in the Dresden Files, or is it better to be a Wizard?
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>>44761478
Does that make a hammer your child? Does that make a shoe your child? You cook food, you created a meal. As your creation, are you eating your kid now?
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>>44761549
Does a hammer think?
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>>44761549
How ia a hammer, food, or shoe the same as a sapient being?
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>>44761549
>a hammer is the same as a child

Are you high right now?
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A hammer and shoe aren't sentient. A child is and you can use babies like tools (pic somewhat related).

Maybe a deathstar is a bit powergamey but I still think it's valid.
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>>44761583
>>44761619
>>44761639
Considering the current applications of rulings on children to deathstars if you have a problem with this argument, you need to look upwards.
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>>44761639
>Thinking that's ridiculous
I've suddenly got the image of a dwarf being very cross with you.
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>>44761692
Ah, you mean the argument above about an AI? Which all those responses pointed out to you, is what is being compared to a child. Not an unthinking tool. The conversation is laid out in full above you, it's impossible for you to misrepresented it like you're attempting because we can all see it.
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>>44761692
If your child is literally using the ship as its brain and body then its body should come with.

A hammer doesn't think or feel. An AI does.
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>>44761720
Ok that might be fair for dwarves but what about the shoes or spaghettie then?
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>>44761639
>>44761720
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>>44761731
It's almost like making a custom cabbit/shipgirl if you import them next jump as a human.
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>>44761786
Certainly not as cute though.
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>>44761740
>>44761731
>>44761651
Give the deathstar a spark... oops I think I accidentally became unicrons daddy
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>>44761807
Of course not cabbits are adorable.
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>>44761456
I heard they were bees.
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This whole argument is fucking retarded since companions always spawn in the warehouse, and by extension can't be to big to fit in the warehouse.
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>>44761841
That's not Prime.
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>>44761853
Wait until someone tries to one-up him by planting an AI into the Starkiller base.
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>>44761807
You've made the mind and the body. If it's not cute enough, git gud.
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>>44761740
This is actually exploitable if you consider an AI's body to be made up of many individual components. So let's say that you built one robot, and the AI inhabits that body, therefore it gets brought along. Two robot bodies then, since they're both part of the AI's body, both of them get brought along. Ten, fifty, one hundred, technically all of the bodies are still part of the AI's body, so by this logic, they should all come along. It's an absurd line of reasoning, but if the premise is accepted, this isn't such a far stretch.
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>>44761853
>Import into alt form next jump before they have to go to the warehouse
>Bam.
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>>44761853
So import them next jump. Or do your space ships have to fit in there too? Where does the LoT stay? Besides my companions spawn outside with me.
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>>44761651
Who the hell is this?
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>>44761853
what if you gave an AI the warehouse as a body?
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>>44761888
Nah, we can just link him back to when tera tried to pull that shit with mars.
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>>44761900
Nah, see, an AI can only inhabit one body at once. Same as you. You're not taking all of the uncountable billion iteration your own body has went through with you are you?
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>>44761927
Then it would stay in the warehouse all the time?
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>>44761879
are you going to tell the sentient deathstar that you aren't it's daddy, that you disown it?
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>>44761936
>Nah, see, an AI can only inhabit one body at once.

Is that some sort of jumpchain rule that was never written down or are you just using one specific series interpretation of AI?
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>>44761929
Tera thought you could go to a planet and hollow it with waddle dees then shrink it with 1 jumps shrink tech. Its different.
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>>44761929
And yet we have people trying to claim the same thing and they're getting praised for it. The double standard is amazing.
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>>44761973
Well anon, clones are different people.

Also did you forget that you have a companion limit on how many can be active at once?
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>>44761973
Not him but I think it would depend on where the actual core is housed as well as depending on the type of AI.
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>>44761994
>I can hollow out a planet and take it with me by shrinking it.

vs.

>I can build an AI a body and that body comes with it.

These arguments are completely different.

Seriously, you lost, stop whining.
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>>44761996
companion limit is on how many slots are active at once, not on how many individuals. If you consider the AI as a single slot controlling a variable number of bodies, the companion limit doesn't affect it. It'd just act like the Retainers from Slice of Life
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>>44761909
The character? No idea, I just know that image exists.
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>>44762036
How is your AI controlling different bodies? Where is it housed? Silly, it's body is where it IS, not what it's remote controlling.
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>>44761936
... Right so I'm on your side and all, but I can simultaneously inhabit... fuck, seven times however many wood clones I can manage to have at a time, bodies at a minimum.
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>>44761909
>>44762042
Looks like something from dc comics.
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>>44762017
The best part about this is that if anon said they were building a robot body nobody would care, even if that robot body could blow up planets. It's that the body is a large ship that is getting someone assmad, that one little detail changes the whole thing for them.
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>>44762057
But you revert to 1 when you leave the jump.
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>>44762084
Says who? Why would I need to stop maintaining a power at the end of the jump?
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>>44762116
You're being reincarnated into a new body and history, dude. You think you maintained that power for 15-20 years, while you couldn't use your powers?
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>>44762116
Oh? Well if thats your wank its good enough for you. Have fun.
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>>44762052
This doesn't matter. The whole AI multiple body issue is solved the same way as the Retainers. Each body is part of the same companion slot, done.
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Why are you even pretending you're following the rules? Just admit you don't care and want to wank.
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>>44762083
I have no problem with them bring a deathstar, just like I had no problem with Tera bringing Mars, my problem is them being idiots and making arguments that make no fucking sense and acting like self righteous brats when their told that.
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>>44762154
Which person are you talking to? Learn to click a post and stop getting so assmad about when people follow the rules in a different but valid way.
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>>44762139
>People logically argue something you don't like.
>FUCK YOU PEOPLE IF THAT THEN THIS COMPLETELY UNRELATED THING.
>People argue against this logically.
>NO I'M RIGHT.
You're not doing yourself any favors. Use logic, argue. Everyone else did. You don't get to claim you're right instantly.

>>44762154
Why is it that you get so angry when the rules don't restrict something you don't like? Not everything is going to be how you want, and everyone needs to accept that.
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>>44762178
What is wrong with building a ship, programming an ai, then bringing them along as per the rules that have always been there?
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>>44762178
This is too funny to me. People on one side are arguing their points, the other just keeps screaming YOU'RE WRONG AND DON'T MAKE SENSE like that instantly defeats them.

Your only argument postulates that a person's body is not them and doesn't follow them post-jump. You know why that's dumb.
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>>44762186
I don't think he's right, or you're right, or anybody in this argument is right. There's no official ruling on what type of AI, what type of created life automatically becomes a companion, and there's no point to argue over it when it just ends up making someone unhappy because it wrecks their chain. The person with the authority to make the rules is gone, I'll be happy just to continue jumping as usual.

If you want to go ahead and claim that you have the authority to make new rules for this community, that's up to you. Until then, this whole line of back and forth bickering is pointless. If each of you went and made a jump instead of arguing we'd have plenty more jumps to discuss instead of arguing.
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We're only missing MGS shitposter now.
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>>44762285
The rules say "I'm not touching children/creations with a nine foot pole. Make them count as companions if you want." that's what he said himself, and you know, that's all people are arguing. The only point of contention, is that some people think an AI's casing isn't its body.

>>44762297
You serious? This is an argument. Some people are being petty but hey, it's happening without too many insults or shitflinging. This is the argument that makes you whine and want outright, for real shitposting? Grow a thicker skin, and get over yourself.
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>>44762285
The only person arguing is the whiner who will not give reasons. We do have rules for this and the rule is any kids, ai, or sapient being you make is automatically a valid companion.
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>Children born as a result of relationships with your Companions are open for choice. I'm not getting into it, no good can come of trying to discuss it. You can be sterile or fertile, children will or won't age, they will or won't be Companions, they will or won't need pods, you make the call.
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>>44762334
>http://pastebin.com/Gqj3iKyn
Actually.
>Children born as a result of relationships with your Companions are open for choice. I'm not getting into it, no good can come of trying to discuss it. You can be sterile or fertile, children will or won't age, they will or won't be Companions, they will or won't need pods, you make the call.

Make up extra add ons to that line in the guideline if you want, but trying to slip in extra clauses and calling it "the rules" is pretty shifty.
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>>44762390
You can go back into the archive if you want to see QS saying it applies to created beings of all sorts if you want.

I think it's sad how something that is commonly accepted by the thread is suddenly treated as "NUH UH DOESN'T COUNT LET ME RULES LAWYER THIS SHIT" whenever it means something you personally hate. It's childish.
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>>44762390
Which was later stated to include AI around the time we started to get AI programming perks.
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Honestly, I wouldn't care so much if one side wasn't so bossy and controlling. Those people are big hypocrites and I really like it when their arguments get taken down, just because I hate how they act. It doesn't help that when they lose they get really petty and refuse to accept it. They go around expecting other people to accept their arguments like law, but refuse to ever do the same with other people. Know what I mean? This thread is infested with that kind, and they're a real problem.
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This is just annoying now. Why can't we discuss nearly anything else?
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>>44762496
Start a discussion.
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I don't care.
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>>44762510
People have tried, but they were lost in a sea of rage and bitterness.
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>>44762496
So how many companions do you have.
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>>44762548
Where?
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>>44762431
I have no piece in either side of your fight with AIanon, as I said already, if you have the energy to go and engage in arguments, personally I think it'd be better applied into making jumps.

At the same time, I don't think that anybody should be expected to take opinions "commonly accepted" by the thread for granted when there's a rules document in place that was supposed to act as the guidelines - especially for new players. If the rules have changed, change the document to reflect that, but there's no way anyone can expect a newcomer or even a less experienced individual in this circle to go trawling through archives.

QS made it very clear that he didn't want anything to do with the issue altogether. If anything that should be sufficient indication that these aren't hard rules but rather guidelines at best.

It's ironic that in the time you guys spent arguing about this I added two more pages to a jump. I figure if I could do that, you guys can probably produce a full jump in the same span of time.
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>>44762510
Not him, but-

Is it okay if I fanwank the FR jump to have no game mechanics at all, even if it alludes to them? 'Cause that shit is retarded and while Truenamers fit this cute little theme I've got going with Thu'um and the Correspondence conceptually, by RAW they are fucking worthless.
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>>44762575
>AIanon
Who?

Dude, that document was wildly considered outdated even last Christmas. There's a reason why people more commonly go off of what QS said in the threads over what the pastebin does, because of how outdated and incomplete it is. As far as I can tell, people only ever use the rules pastebin when they want to rules lawyer somebody really hard and they lost the argument otherwise.

>Change the document.
We cannot, and the guy who made it wouldn't do it even when he was around.
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>>44762575
Do we even have archives for before thread 400 anymore?
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>>44762563
Well there was
>>44761536
And
>>44761252
Asking questions clearly intended for discussion.
I think there were more, but I don't want to dig through all of the shit.
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>>44762621
/tg/ has like four archives. Moe going down meant nothing.
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>>44761252
Imp flips her shit.
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>>44762609
Considering most if not all of the game mechanics are explicitly present in the novels that would be pretty fucking wanky.
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>>44762575
Who is alanon? Also qs couldn't even be botherred to update the how to on jumpmaking. Much as I like the guy he left a few things up in the air.
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>>44762609
I see no problem with this.
It's harder to abuse it without game mechanics anyway.
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Okay, where am I supposed to get a rainbow trail?
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>>44762633
One of those got answered.

>>44762686
Uh, RWBY?
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>>44762686
Be fast, wear rainbow clothes.
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>>44762686
Highlighter, from the jump in question, would probably work.
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>>44762510
If you put a pokemon in the F.E.V would the evolve to thier normal next form or make something new?
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>>44762675
I'm guessing he's referencing the druid (All)anon from Shannara.
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>>44762609
I would PERSONALLY rule yes. Jumpchain should focus on and emphasize narrative and story. And 3.5 is a really fiddly system. I don't want to spend hours optimizing a good 3.5 character. You should go for it (probably, I'm not that familiar with the Truenamer other than how garbage it is).
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>>44762641
That was a geniune question the one I could find is constantly spammed with redirects.
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>>44762713
Something new. The FEV causes unnatural evolution.
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>>44762724
Try 4plebs.

>>44762717
That wouldn't make sense, it was framed as the person they were talking to. I'm starting to suspect Alanon is someone's IRC handle, and he's being a great big shithead right now.
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>>44762617
You really make it sound like everything on here needs to be a fight, and arguments need to be prioritized before anything else. If it makes you feel better should I start apologizing for something, or saying that everybody is wrong because you're right?

Is it really that hard to go, copy paste, and make a new paste bin? If the community at large really agrees with these spoken rules why would there be a problem setting them in stone?

I'm pretty sure for newcomers coming into this little circle, those links up top are the first places they look at along with the drive, and we have seen a couple newcomers every now and then. There's merit at least, to provide a clear and accurate document to introduce the premise to them.
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>>44762724
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/jumpchain/
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>>44762575
And what jump would that be?
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>>44762758
>>44762753
Thank you.
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>>44762755
It doesn't, but you do realize that I wasn't the one starting it as a fight? The people who did were the ones telling anon he couldn't do that. They created the argument. It was by them that it became a necessity to argue. You can blame me for continuing to argue, but not for creating the argument.

Nobody is going to accept hard rules by anyone but QS. That's just it.
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>>44762609
if I recall the jumpmaker said that the references to mechanics in the jump were largely to help in the process of building your presence in setting that the actual events you would experience would be more real worldish(only you know with dragons and magic and shit) I am of course paraphrasing my memory of ancient threads.
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>>44762463
If we're being bossy and controlling, it's because the entire point of s CYOA is to have rules. Without rules, it's just freestyle imagination time - the structure makes the choice. So the fact that the Warehouse had size limits created a level of meaning - you can't just grab everything in every universe you visit, you have to decide what goes there. Abusing an exception to the ordinary rules intended to people from being forcibly separated from their children to completely ignore that limit is the worst kind of wank, because it's just meaninglessly destructive to the very idea of CYOA. It's basically saying "no, you can't make me have to make choices! I get everything I want forever!"

Well, you're right. We can't. So go have freestyle imagination time in another thread and leave us to our CYOA.
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