Can anyone honestly say gw's are twice as good. I'd

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>tfw you lived to see the company you grew up loving die

>>44698069
It's like GW really doesn't want people to play Slayers.

>>44698069
the greek-ish helmets are pretty sweet

I don't like either very much, though. Slayers ain't my thing.

why did they even bother to reboot fantasy

just kill it if you don't want it any more

Why has GW's design process gotten so fucking horrific even as their technical abilities have improved so much? Cramming more detail onto a badly thought out model does not make it better. Or phrased another way: a 1080p video of two ugly people fucking may actually turn me off even more than a 320p video of the same thing, because it is easier to notice how ugly they are.

>>44698069
expensiv not good

good for laughs maybe!

>>44698584
That company died a long time ago. You just never noticed.

>>44698069
The new slayers are horrible.

And I say that as someone who wanted to get a bunch when they were initially announced.
They look absolutely fucking terrible.

I didn't notice before how stiff and unatural the GW poses where, also what happened to their pants?

>>44698584
Now consider the fact you're likely to live to see your parents die.

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>>44698069
The perfect symmetry of faces and beards.
Or of the entire model.

>>44700571
Who needs pants when they actively seek to be killed in battle?

>>44700653
Lol I just noticed that. The guy with two axes literally looks like they used some design that was accidentally mirrored.

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>>44700611

Screw that. God has already died in the last two weeks, family means nothing compared to that.

>>44698069
Why does every single AoS new model looks like shit? Do they get interns to do this shit? Like holy fuck they look retarded.

>>44700654
they changed their lore now they're mercenaries looking for ur-gold as their only goal :)

>>44701013
then they need their pants, where are they gonna stuff the stuff, huh?

>>44701065
>then they need their pants

But they need the gold to buy pants! THESE ARE HOBO DWARVES!.

>>44701013
...so how the fuck do they explain Gotrek? I mean, what, 9ish books of this fucker looking for his death?

I thought the Fyreslayers looked good in the promo art but not so much as minis it turns out

>>44698069
Price is not always indicator of quality. Look at apple.

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>>44700571
>also what happened to their pants?
too similar to warhammer, they had to go

>>44698069
Lets erase GW from your cool story.
Who will buy 20 random dwarfs berserkers (with instrument and totem totally not GWs Berzerkers copypaste) ?
Good/poor money blah bla. Are you 12 y.o. ?

>>44698069
>Can anyone honestly say gw's are twice as good

No way.

However, I built AoW berserker(gunner and pathfinder), I would say their quality is slightly better than GW zombie, full of moldline, out of scale, hard to rank up...etc, but they are cheap and look great in rank and file.

GW berzekers? Expensive always, the problem is they don't look good in loose formation.

>>44698069
God, all those GW poses are boring as hell.

>>44701531
>Who will buy 20 random dwarfs berserkers (with instrument and totem totally not GWs Berzerkers copypaste) ?
Anyone who loves dwarfsn berserkers.

>>44701097
>Need gold to buy pants
>Need pants to hold gold

THE CYCLE NEVER ENDS.

>>44701182
True. But for the AoW stuff to not be worth the money compared to the new AoS shit, the models would need to actually crumble in my hand.

>>44701531
>Who will buy 20 random dwarfs berserkers

Me, for one. Looking to up the number of Slayers in my army.

>>44700248
they are not paid enough for what they do and they have literally no interaction with the different teams, so everyone do whatever they want

>>44701531
>Hey, I'm a fantasy wargamer because these things did exist even before GW got into the game.
>Dwarves are cool. Dwarf beserkers? Even cooler! I want some.

>Pantless ripped bear midgets.
Even OP is not fag enough to buy and field those

>>44700816
>God has already died in the last two weeks
Bowie?

>>44706191

So how did the admech come out so well?

>>44698069
look out everyone le sneaky dwarvish merchants want ur gold :^)

its a good thing the stormfront eternals are here

>>44698069
GW has a plastic sprue.

>>44700062
>I have no idea what greek helmets of any fucking period looked like

>>44701531
Please do not respond to this slavposter

>>44706296
sometimes it just works.
but still, skitarii weren't like what we could have gotten 10 years ago on a design perspective (they are cleaner than the original artworks).
what I really hate about gw now is that they make some great models and then fuck it all up with small details that I personally hate. for example, the new slayer hero is grate except for the fact that he looks like dwarf lincoln thanks to no mustaches. other example is the new big lizard kit: why does the dwarf have such a shitty pose? manfred, archaon etc, were beautiful sculpts instead and they came out in the recent years

I'm totally for other companies stepping up and giving GW some good competition
They need to stop acting and pricing like they exist in a vacuum

>>44698069
That Draft at the front looks like someone mirrors one half of his body.

Those Avatars of War guys look awesome.

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>>44706259
Trick question, Lemmy IS God.

>>44701114
Those were warhammer slayers.this is Age of Sigmar.

>>44706376
But other companies are. They also price accordingly because GW muppets proven they will pay extortionist prices.

>>44706366
To be honest, GW was always hit and miss.

>>44701114
Gotrek was a Trollslayer, not a Fyreslayer.

Incidentally, Gotrek is a God now. Guy just can't catch a break.

>>44706436
yes but it has become more like this in the past years
I started in 2005 and didn't initially find any """bad""" models except for those fucking possessed

>>44706455
What about at retarded stat they made for the Wood Elves?

>>44706474
>retarded stag*

>>44706481
b-but I like the seer on stag

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>>44706524
Sure, but the mount looks more like a bull.

>>44706550
the seer deserves the alpha stag I guess

>>44706550
THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A STAG?!

>>44706596
Yeah, that's what I thought back in the day when it was released.

>>44698069
The front dwarf is almost symmetrical wtf. CAD is hell of a drug.

>>44706407
nah mate, Lemmy was awesome but he was no David Bowie

>>44706640
Who by the way died like 3 hours ago.

>>44706550
>>44706571
>>44706596
Looks like a moose of some sort.

A tiny moose.

>>44706695
It's the tail of a dog, the body of a horse and the head of a pissed of Minotaur.

>>44701065
>then they need their pants, where are they gonna stuff the stuff, huh?

You don't wanna know

>>44706828
> every girl has a few secret compartments

>>44706640

just a heads up that all musicians you like will die sooner or later and you will be left with upstarts like Bieber to replace them

>>44698069

the poses with the double axes on the left dwarves look retarded

>>44706445
>Wants to die
>Achieves apotheosis aka lives forever

Fate is a dirty bitch

>>44700760

they probably did just that. no kidding

>>44700653

that happens with soulless CAD sculpts

>>44701202

now that's a good model. why didn't they just keep this style? I'd love a squad of guys like him

>>44706682
i know

>>44698069
good argument brah!

>>44707013
Could be a perfect representation of Gotrek's own guilt. Ultimately for a Slayer to allow himself to dye means they accept forgiveness. They've achieved a worthy death. They can relax.

Gotrek just never forgave himself. No death would ever be worthy of forgiving his crime. So he walked a path that lead to immortality.

>>44706930
>Le wrong generation
Anon, every single fucking generation has shit pop artists. We just don't give a shit about them by the time they die.

>>44706930
iggie pop is still alive and well

>>44698069
I find Avatars of War slayers a gigantic pain in the ass to assemble and clean, especially their mohawks.

The new slayers look fucking retarded though

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>>44700653
>Hurf durf, my models have to be lumpy pieces of shit, otherwise they don't have any "soul"
I think these dwarves are lame by nature, but I hope you anti-CAD fags kill yourselves.

>>44698069
Fucking hell that musician- no effort whatsoever, just chuck a horn in his hand.

>>44707280
I honestly can't tell if you're describing the left one or the right one

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>>44707260
There is no excuse for literally copy pasting when designing a model.

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So gw has always had 3 things going for it

Prices that while high, didn't make you feel bad when you bought the thing.

Amazing models

Great IP

so what do they do? Destroy the ip and sell this for 30 dollars.

>It's a "hate GW cuz dey joos lol" episode

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Don't you guys think GW's models over the last few years have turned more and more static to the point that they have no fucking life in them?

Look at this shit, they're fucking dead. There is no soul in these little pieces of plastic, just the slave-work of a poorly paid worker who just had to feed his family.

With his hate for the company he fueled his mind to create these wretched abominations. The lost souls of all the miniatures out of productions are probably still wailing through the hallways of GW, screaming in agony as the company falls to a darker and twisted pit, full of static poses, stupid designs and disgustingly expensive prices.

Seriously, new minis are shit

>>44707624
>new minis are shit
Enjoy new shitty computer sculpting.

>>44707637
Computer sculpting can be done fine, it's just easier to do badly.

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>>44707601
It's more the model quality tbchwyfofimhyfstposjcalmtat

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>>44707624
Nah.

On the contrary. Sometimes there's just too much going on and you lose yourself in too many details.

Varanguard are the synthesis of what is wrong with GW's new models. Too much going on, too many details, no focus point for the eye, everything is confused.

Honestly, if the horses didn't have such retarded pose, I'd be able to pass the profusion of details. I like the models, but not enough to drop so much money, if I'm not 100% convinced.

On the other hands new sculpts can be great. Look at the new Tau, they're fairly good because they're simple. Orgyns/Bullgryns are fucking perfect. Why? Because they're simple yet precise.

>>44707587
this is far from the worst offender. Skarr is even okay.

>>44707624
no, staticness isn't a universal problem, it's just sometimes one. look at this shit: >>44707587
it's bad but dynamic as hell

>>44707624
are those the official GW photos off the website?
'Cos you can see the mould lines where they drybrushed over them. Fucking hell.

>>44707686
those horses look like they're tripping over.
I guess it's easy for designers to get carried away when you're meant to make shit over-the-top.

>>44706596
GW's animal sculpts, especially the metal ones, were done by people who had never actually seen the animals they were sculpting, and had to rely on third-hand accounts of their appearance, like medieval scribes being told about animals from africa or asia.

>>44707739
outside of certain models most of that range was about cashing in on a popular fad they happened to maintain the IP of. the game's actual rules were okay, except that it was fully about recreating scenarios from the books and therefor rather dull except as a mental exercise.

>>44706358
They're Phygian helms with a slot to fit the slayer's mohawk in

>>44707794
Exactly. The one on the right is okay I guess.

I'll go to my store to see if I can only make exactly those 3 horses or if it's several parts to get different poses but only enough to make 3.

Their tripping make me think of Dark Elves Wyches. Only pretty female faces in the whole GW range and they fuck up the pose.

>>44707587

still can't believe that models survived to printing. pretty much confirms that there are sane people left at GW, at some point someone should have taken a quick look at those weapons and said 'no, this is not going to happen'

>>44707686
My eyes cannot even focus on them, the abysmal paint scheme does not help.

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>>44707857
I thought the LotR game was considered one of their best rules wise?

Speaking of, which Fellowship set do you guys prefer?

>>44707857
>the game's actual rules were okay, except that it was fully about recreating scenarios from the books
No it wasn't.

It was one of the more comprehensive skirmish games ever made, without being bloated. They went on to use it as inspiration for the Warhammer Historicals games.

>>44706924
> every dwarf has a few secret compartments

Ftfy

>>44698584
It looks like there's a chance they might be coming back

It will be a long dificuilit escape from hades though

>>44708019
Legends of the High Seas and Legends of the Old West were the games the LOTR style was used.

Most of the other were Warhammer 5th ed based.

>>44707686
I thought this was a battle, not a dressage competition.

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>>44707686
I think what happened was someone in GW's management said to the development team "I want new chaos knights and I want to sell them for $170." So they had to keep on adding more and more detail until the models were a mess.

Doesn't help that their deamonic mounts look like oversized greyhounds with bad teeth.

But personally the reason for me these guys are so dull is that we've had a constant stream of chaos releases and there's only so many times you can see a new giant angry barbarian who wants to destroy the world, dressed in slabs of armour and wielding oversized weapons before they start to become mundane. I mean when was the last time the Empire or Bretonnia got new stuff?

Speaking of which, has there been of a picture yet of a normal human being who isn't part of Chaos?

>>44707040
Not grim and menacing enough. The AoS miniature line is pure joke.

>>44708293
No but in one of the novels a Sigmarine uses a mortal baby as a hand grenade.

>>44708293
In the "artworks"? No
As pics of the models? Only warrior priests and flagellants so far
There're token backwater cultures in the fluff though

>>44708389
Wait what?

>>44708417
He's being sarcastic you autistic fucktard.

>>44708434
I am fucking not, he picks up an infant survivor of a chaos raid that has been tainted, gives it a bottle of Explodium with a stupid GW trademark name and throws it at a bloodbeserker bloodblooder.

>>44701202
That dwarf looks like ducking Obelix

>>44708169
my bad, should have added "some of"

>>44708482
Deliberate, I imagine. Shame they didn't give him a green belt.

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>>44707686

The Tau are less OTT because they've always been less OTT when compared to the other factions. The newer models still have an over abundances of details when compared to the old. Lots of wires and tubes and antennas.

Just look at the Stormsurge and tell me it isn't a horribly posed over designed mess of a model.

You can still read the original design notes for the Tau online somewhere and the whole point of the Tau was that they were high tech and minimalist which would set them apart from the Imperium where everything has external cables, cogs and dials and so forth. The newer models do show that GW are gradually forgetting this, given time the Tau will be just as much of a visual cluster fuck as everyone else.

>>44700653
WARHAHЯAW
DWARЯAWᗡ

>>44707074
I'm lazy and don't care spoilers, what on earth did he even did??

Is anybody else getting fed up of AoS fans claiming their game is 'more narrative' because they removed everything BUT narrative? And left a shitty narrative at that.

They are acting like lacking fair and reasonably balanced rules makes the game somehow superior for fluffy gamers. When if anything its the opposite.

>>44706614
>The front dwarf is almost symmetrical wtf. CAD is hell of a drug.
Some people just love it mirrored pal. >>44707260

>>44708704
Yep, I never undestood it either, I didn't see anything about the rules than made it easier for engaging a narrative game

>>44708481
JUST

>>44707885
>Dark Elves Witches
Their poses are okaish, just a bit repetitive

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>>44708481
>Gives it a bottle of Explodium
>That he just happens to have on him
>For the purpose of turning children in to living explosives

>>44707260
You are the cancer, Anon.

>>44708565
Yeah as I was typibg I remembered the Stormsurge, hence the "generally".

>>44708704

It amazes me that the AoS general has any form of discussion in it at all but the fact that they earnestly discuss "tactics" and the viability of certain units is incredible.

The level of self delusion involved to convince themselves that what they are playing involves any kind of strategy or tactics or that it's can even be called a competitive game at all is just incredible.

Werner Herzog should make a documentary about it.

>>44708704
I still have to grasp what's is this "narrative" they keep bragging about.

>>44708704

I've never met an AoS fan.

Buy then, my flgs was a big fantasy shop and the butthurt was very powerful.

>>44708819
Let thzm in peace I say.

I don't even play but pop up in the general once in a while to see if some models have leaked, and the amount of bitter fantasy players is terrible.
Peoplz go their to shitpost and then congratule themselves by saying "Look, they can't even have a proper discussion! Bring back fantasy!"

>>44707648
>Computer sculpting can be done fine
I knew, but GW doesn't want to spend money for that.

>>44708819
>competitive

Lots of AoS fans actually think the inability of it to be competitive is a GOOD thing. Because anybody who expects the game to have actual rules is a WAAC fag and AoS is great because these people do not want to play it.

Meanwhile they will argue its easier to run fluffy games despite most armies being now without any basis in the fluff and there being nothing to stop you making mixed armies with no fluff basis at all. They also bitch about having to take core units in WHFB even though that was fluffy and forced you to build an actual army instead of a collection of heroes, war machines and giant monsters.

Whereas anybody truing to run an actual fluffy WHFB army, especially a goblin or skaven one in AoS is completely fucked. Both because of the sudden death rule and from trying to move 200+ models in skirmish formation.

>>44708833
>I need to field 10 Nagash to forge my narrative you shitlord

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>>44708762
I don't get how you can call AoS a narrative driven game. I mean I played Empire and their narrative in AoS is 2000 years ago, the Empire was drowned in a mix of demon pus and shit, then their planet blew up. The End.

It's not a great bit of fluff, I must admit.

>>44708897
>being so much butthurt

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>>44708931
I miss this type of boxart.

>>44708931
This is the problem, even if there was anything to give a shit about in AoS they are not telling it to us.

These days its considered a good idea for a wargame with a new setting to tell you the outline of all the factions from the start. Not keep you in the dark completely and leave your existing army adrift without any place in the new game its supposedly valid for.

>>44708931
>this pic
Best box art ever for the best plastic sprues ever.

Except the hands, but I'm willing to let it slide for nostalgia.

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>>44708958
post moar

>>44708951
Not that anon, but you're the one who started to be butthurt here>>44708704
Or at least took part of the discussion when absolutely nothing was about that.

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>>44708984
Love the face of that guy in the back.

>>44708965
It's like you expect logic from GW.
>>44708931
>>44708958
Old WHFB art is great, I really like the mix of plausible armor and fantasy (all the scrolls and gritty weapons and armor) I'm glad there are other manufacturers than do it.

>>44708965

They gave you the rules for them. That's what's important right? you don't need all that fluff shiat, it's a game. what matters is the mechanics.

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>>44709009
Who does a good Empire State Troops equivalent?

>>44708984
Loved these gritty motherfuckers, had to buy them even if I was never interested in the empire.

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>>44709043
Perry miniatures would be the first logical place to start. You might want to check pic related, whose names escapes me but could find something with a reverse search.

>>44708704
It's because in the mind of some people, balanced and interesting rules are only good for the worst WAAC faggot powergamer sperglord autists.

>Hard plastic
Oh shit, I always assumed that those were just crappy resin models
And they are cheaper than the GW models too, thanks OP

>>44709068
>Fantasy
>Balanced and Interesting rules

AoS is a mess but let's not kid ourselves there.

>>44708965
But you know all about sigmarines, khorne bloodbloods and space lizards. That's enough, right?

>>44709043
Momminiaturas did those >>44709063
, they will be an euro the piece, and then there is a lot of minor ones than do heroes and stuff like Gamezone and AoW, the later if they get they shit together could update they Cirleans than are Imperial Spain in fantasy.

>>44709063
Yeah the 'European Mercenaries' box lets you build 12 crossbowmen, 12 hand gunners and 12 halberdiers but sadly the style is not really German enough.

I will have a look for the other thing.

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>>44709043
Depending on what you want, Perry Brothers or Pro Gloria//Warlord.

>>44708894
>Meanwhile they will argue its easier to run fluffy games despite most armies being now without any basis in the fluff

This is what kills it for me. Even if you're playing one of the factions that haven't been wiped off the map in the end times unless you play chaos there is little to no fluff surrounding your army.

I play vampire counts and I want to know what place my generic vampire has in this world so I can write a backstory for him. What fluff do the undead have?
>NAGASH NAGASH NAGASH NAGASH NAGASH NAGASH
Yeah, ok, that's real nice GW but I'm not buying that giant model. What about just a lowish ranking vampire? What about the realm of dead where Nagash and all his moral followers live?
>dunno lol, wait until the next release maybe?

>>44709089
That is not at all what I said.

>>44709089
I thinks he was talking about how some AoS people shited on KoW for being too WaC friendly or something.

>>44709090
I am still pissed off at what they did to Lizardmen, they were one of my favourite factions in any Fantasy setting.

>>44709089
Nobody is really defending WHFB as it was, its just we did not realise how much worse things could be. If GW had gone back to 6th edition rules/prices and the way they used to act things could have been turned around.

>>44708996
I always liked the atmosphere in this. Zombie one was cool too.

>>44709123
Not only KoW. Any proper wargame really.

>>44709103
Recently I grew more and more disilluded with AoW.
I saw their quality spiraling down in my recent purchases.

>>44709127
Well, people had done another Alessio rulegame for fantasy, King of war. Isn't Wh but to me is the best mass battle game for fantasy around.

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>>44709123
They just don't understand that tight, well balanced rules do not detract from the ability to play in a fluffy, narrative manner.

Or that people might want the game underlying their fluff to actually be finished when its released.

>>44708996
I've always loved how the skull on the standard looks like he's talking to the skellies below.

>>44709144
That's because Paniague had to outsource the mini doing to another artist, they chewed more than they could with plastic and had lots of logistic nightmares because this. They are cool people but not the more business savvie out there.

>>44709105
Look at Warlord Game's 30 Years War infantry. Closer to WHFB's "Era", and with some extra skulls should be perfect.

>>44698069
The ones on the right look about as good as the ones on the left to me, but I don't play dwarves.

>>44698069
Now I know what they remind me of. Landing signal officers!

>>44709148
>the best mass battle game for fantasy around.

Easily, but I really miss being able to design/kit out a hero to lead my army.

>>44709197
Italian wars you mean ?

>>44709224
Yes, that's a pity you can't kit out your heroes like you could in fantasy.

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>>44709197

>>44709237
>Yes, that's a pity you can't kit out your heroes like you could in fantasy.
On the other hand, there were usually very few combinations in WHFB that were just fare superior to all others. So from a gameplay perspective, not much is lost.

>>44709159
Yeah I found that argument silly too, I get lots of fun making the fluff of my armies for KoW, than the game works like a charm is a huge boon.
>>44709224
I think the new book had some rules for extending the campaign and pimping a bit your units or something, pity than I discovered KoW only after AoS.

>>44709224
The new campaign rules let you use characters created with the Dungeon Saga rules in Kings of War. That said those rules aren't out yet, so whether they meet your qualifications is uncertain.

>>44709169
>They are cool people
Indeed they are, which it makes it even worse.
Honestly the sculpt are still good, but the hard plastic is shit and some of the recently casts are amateurs at best.
I'm really sad they didn't grow as much they deserved.

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>>44709254
Sure (I play and love KoW), but still it's something I miss a bit.

On the other hand large battles are perfect in KoW.

>>44698069
Is that a dwarf flipping a finger?

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>>44709280

>>44698069
Honestly I feel the GW dwarves would look so much better if they had better poses. I mean, half of them either have their axes flailing around like they don't know how to use them, or have that stupid "Come at me bro" look.

They could have looked good, the quality of the sculpts themselves are really good, its just wasted on really derpy poses. I mean most of the poses where the dwarf is swinging his weapon looks like either his weapon is way too heavy for him or he just doesn't know what he's doing.

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>>44709394

yep, the fuck you dwarf

>>44709508
It's hard to make dual wielding giant axes not look retarded.

Because it is.

There's a reason no one ever did.

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>beards don't even go down to the ground

where did it all go wrong

>gamezone

Just looked on their website and the standard bearer for the notDaemonettes is basically pole dancing with the flag pole.

That is hilarious.

>>44709831
Isn't that the first thing that comes to mind when you think "Daemonette standard bearer"? I'm fairly certain my conversion from ~8 years ago does that. Though theirs is probably better implemented.

>>44708146
Why exactly?

>I have come to the conclusion that AOS may be ahead of its time and that's why people are opposed to it.

You can find some wacky ideas on the internet.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/121860687617?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

The guy cycles it every 3 days as "out of stock."

So now chinaman has Warlords at less than half price, would you grab one?

>>44708146
GW only has the IP about what it made them great, all imaginative guys, best modelers etc have left, heck I think GW imploding and selling they IP would be the best think for WH in general, the ones owning it are too incompetent.

>>44700017
Why?

>>44710216
shit wrong thread. disregard me, i suck cocks

>>44709164
>Walk faster! I want to bash them with my forehead!

>>44708293
>implying GW cares about non chaos humans
They want the bad guys to win, it's that simple

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>>44708704
>giving a shit about the opinions of a fanbase for a dying game

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>>44708481

>>44710221
Best artistic aspect of GW is really Forge World at this point.

>>44709111
GW wants hero hammer with everyone rolling up named characters in their fluff and no one elses they are trying to reduce your ability to run a "your dudes" style army

>>44710211
>ahead of its time
I'm deeply sorry for future generations if that is what they ll make of tabletop wargames then.

>>44709127
Honestly the lizards got off easy compared to others, they remain a relive army even if neglected in new fluff and while I dislike making them all angels the idea if being able to make daemons quake in fear is fun

>>44710264
top kek

>>44708965
But muh meta plot!

>>44700062
The horse hair being the same color as their beards is retarded. Or maybe they made their helmet crests from beardhair?

>>44710485
I just assumed they poke their mohawks through the helmets, since slayers have mohawks.

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>>44708481

>>44706327

Underrated post

>>44710485
>>44710521
the fuck, in all that's wrong with them I didn't even notice that.

why are they wearing helmets? the fuck? since when was that a thing? they've taken the mohawks and replaced them with shit helmet fake mohawks and double-mohawks for the leader, who the fuck did this?

I bet they're not even real beards, they're just beard wigs attached to the helmet chinstrap. they're far too short to be slayer beard anyway.

gw have fucking shaved the slayers. they've bought them wigs and fucked up their most iconic feature.

>>44710521
AoS art design would be nonsensical enough for someone to have a coinslot of death for weapons on their heads.

>>44708481
Magnificent.

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>>44707587
>Skarr Bloodwrath

It's like they name khorne characters/units by just putting synonyms for "blood", "bone", "anger", and "wound" into a random name generator

>>44708996
man this artwork makes me wanna make a full skeleton army. too bad aos gets boring after a while.

>>44708481
I really can't wait for the day when GW's execs are dragged into the street and lynched by an angry mob

>>44710841
don't play aos then

>>44710917
Nobody does.

>>44710932
gw store staff running demo games in a desperate attempt to move plastic and not get fired

>>44700816
>Lemmy
I suppose I ought to expect Warhammer fans to like Motörhead, given its metal-inspired aesthetics, but grieving over fucking Lemmy of all people is beyond my understanding.

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>>44698584

Sad but true.

What were the glory days?

I'd argue 2000-2005

>>44708550
No, it's just retarded.

>>44710945
yeah, basically
I rarely see anyone playing aos anymore
I even got a dwarf army for cheap because I love dwarfs and aos made a lot of people sell their armies, it's fun for 10 matches but then it's always the same stuff.... I'd like to introduce my two friends I play aos with to warhammer 8th but I don't think they'd like it because they prefer simple games.

>>44710976
It's more shock that he could be killed than anything else.

For relatively recent rock/metal deaths, Dio was worse than Lemmy. I mean, fucking Holy Diver? Don't Talk to Strangers? Rainbow in the Dark?

Wait, fuck, that was 2010. Dio cast a long shadow.

>>44710983
Yeah, this is the sweetspot for artdesign and rules that are not all over the place. Then after the Storm of Chaos and Eye of Terror fiascos GW basically stops trying to do cool things to avoid losing face. After that it just kinda goes into a slow decline that leads up to today.

>>44711045
Kings of War, Dragon Rampant if you want a slightly more skirmishy game, plenty of others. HotT if you play with old grogs. Mighty Armies if you just want to push figures around for an hour and don't want to read HotT's rules.

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>>44710786
khornegorewrath

>>44711078
>No one mentions Song of Blades and heroes.
I will never get why so few people there likes it.

>>44711080
and 4chan ate the other spoilers
anyway: this thing is called khorgorath, KHORne-GOre-wRATH

>>44711078
>Kings of War
But you can't customize your heroes.

>>44711109
I loved it for a few years but just... gradually fell out of love with it. Not sure why.

>>44711123
much like gw's game

play oldhammer then, idk

I know it's stupid but it really bothers me that they're now using round bases for fantasy

>>44711164
>much like gw's game
What? I assure you that you can customize heroes in WHFB.
>play oldhammer then, idk
Oh, talking about AoS, right.

>>44711184
You can give them magic objects and mages can choose different spells or update them. Tough more rules for customization would be pretty sweet for KoW, the problem would be balance but for friendly games I think choosing two or three magic objects for heroes could work.

>>44711078
Don't forget 9th Age if you want 8th edition but streamlined and with player feedback taken into account (hordes nerfed, big magic nerfed, spears getting bonuses against cavalry etc.)

>>44701531
People who play Fantasy games like Avatars of war or Kings of War you fucking autist

>>44709237
>Italian wars you mean ?

TYW is plastic doe and cheap af though it's a little later period. In plastic they have handgunners, pikemen and pistoliers. They sell customization packs with additional hat/helmet variations since the ECW/TYW kit has hat-placement built in. If you stuck feathers, skulls, scrolls, and a couple of hat-swaps they would start to look pretty empire-y.

The same could be said for perry's renaissance figures, though they are slightly too early for empire. Unfortunately I have seen several kickstarters for plastic empire - equivalents which failed, including one for a multipart plastic box of landsknechts which looked great and would have been perfect.

>>44700611

You'll live exactly long enough to see yourself die

>>44708958
The art is honestly what got me into the hobby in the first place. I got a catalogue and spent hours looking at all the box art. Now it's badly photoshopped photos. It's a shame.

>>44711293
Not if you're braindead.

>>44711329
Or blind, or just asleep.

>>44711336
Or blinking.

>>44711336
Can't forget about stuff hitting you from behind either.

>>44710211
>ahead of its time
Wargames are heading in a pretty good direction currently, so by that standard AoS is way behind the times.

>>44710386
>the lizards got off easy
They're now named after furry tickle porn. Collectively burning themselves would have been better.

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>>44711329
>>44711336
>>44711349
>>44711359

>>44711329
You mean the very definition of dead?

For fucks sake, the AoS miniatures are so bad I'm puking

>>44711762
No, being braindead means that your body still functions on life support, but your mind is dead. You are still biologically alive even if your mind is beyond recovery.

>>44698069
GW makes the better Duardin.
They don't actually make Dwarves anymore, so there's no competition.

Harlequins and Ad Mech had my hopes up for a bit. GW is just shitting that good will away as fast as they can with every AoS release.

>>44711867
>your mind is dead

Which is you.

>>44707739
Eavy Metal has done really bad lately.

>>44712025
But the body is not in a state of decay. So you wont be able to observe the actual death. Theoretically you could replace the brain with a functional one to make use of the body again.

>>44698069
The Warthrones ones are barely posable, and the two handed poses are laughable because their hands extend out like Lanky Kong.

Also like many of the new kits, it's 90% the crippled paint job.

>>44711114

I like his dumb claw tentacles coming out of his shoulders

>>44712103
They're purposely held back to stop spergs from crying when their units looks like shit against 'eavy metal painters.

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>>44698069
Dwarves suck

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Christ, that's what they replaced the metal Slayers with?

>>44698069
Best thing about this is those dwarven berzerkers were modeled by Fenix Paniagua,the guys who modeled the dwarves from Warhammer 6th edition.

Funny how things are.

>>44712237
I'm convinced this is Minotaur syndrome.

Where the shitty skin paintjob and lazy posing makes them look bad.

>>44712255
Well, if we guess how they're molded.

>Body in half at waist
>Flat joints for arms
>Ball point for head

They'd be pretty posable, even moreso if it's a ball joint for the body too.

>>44712255
I've seen them first hand and they're cool. Warhammer Slayer tier,but without the Warhammer aesthetic touch.

Avatars of War also has some neat not¡Hammerers and dwarven heroes,if you're curious. It's a quite well known studio here in Spain.

>>44712341
I was talking about the AoS ones.

I have some Avatars of War ones and they're ok, but they suffer from bad posing.

>>44712237
Sculpting something on computer is not he same as in a physical medium. Just compare Adrian Smith's old paintings to his modern digital work. It lacks that certain something that the physical process did for the artist.

>>44698069
See now this is interesting to me. I just want high quality painted minis to play DnD with. Id be totally down to pay someone to paint these seeing as they are cheaper.

>>44712362
Ah ok,my bad.

Agreed. I find the Fyreslayers really cool,but they're not Warhammer anymore. Even if the AoS fluff sucks,GW's models are still great.

>>44712364
Yes,I know. 3D modelling allows a cleaner result,and I think it will replace hand modelling for miniature mass-production when getting a 3D printer isn't a huge investment.

>>44712362
Go shill elsewhere, those dwarfzerkers are blocky trash and it has nothing to do with the paint.
Just look at their legs and laugh.

I'm happy that 3rd party stuff has finally grown in quality enough to shit down GW's throat, so now only the fanboys and shills can try to defend their practices.

>>44711080
Jesus christ, that's a fucking terrible model.

>>44712255
Yeah, the paintjob is causing that unitinu effect. Right.

I like Age of Sigmar. It's making it much easier to quit supporting GW and move on to better companies.

>>44711076

I thoguht Eye of Terror was done fairly well.

Storm of Chaos was a shitshow though.

Don't forget how much fun Albion was!

And I also really enjoyed whatever the last one was, where everyone was trying to escape the planet before it was swallowed by the warp storm.

>>44713339
Medusa V

Yeah, that one was good. Armageddon too, if anyone remembers that.

>>44713339
The problem with the Eye of Terror campaign is that the results were a messy as fuck stalemate that would be very difficult to work into ongoing fluff and would royally piss off non-imperial players.

So they just quietly went back on their worf and retconned everything.

>>44713480
>and would royally piss off non-imperial players
hold up

Orks, eldar and tyranids all had excellent showings. Many of which were given nods in later fluff. The Imperials also had interesting results, with marines kind of doing their own shit instead of contributing to the main war effort, while the navy saved everyone's asses.

>>44713339
The problem with Eye of Terror was that nothing of importance came out of it from a story perspective except for stupid things like Abaddon wasted another Blackstone Fortress and Eldrad died because.

The content of the campaign was very cool, though.

>>44713480
>>44713529

Yeah, them retconning it was weak. I thought the outcome was actually great, Cadia is nearly overrun, as are all the other planets but the Navy is holding the forces of Chaos at bay... for now.

Buuuut of course they changed it.

>>44711123

You can customize them in terms of how they look to pretty much whatever degree you want and hey you can give them at least one magic item.

I like building heroes too but I prefer the game to be balanced and focused on the armies rather than hero-hammer.

>>44712498
But they aren't Dwarfs, they're Duardin. Games Workshop is the only company that makes Duardin, and is therefor da best. Also worst. Whatever.

Also, I have to play devils advocate here and point out this is the Dwarf equivalent of Savage Orcs. They really do look the same.

>>44713383
Armageddon was the best, and not only because BTs got a codex out of it.

>>44712233

They aren't even slayers anymore m8, they aren't shamed dwarves trying to atone by seeking a glorious death in battle, they now live on a fire-planet and serve any master (including chaos) as long as they are paid Ur-Gold, which is like gold, only mysterious and mystical.

Butbutbutbutbut.

All Avatars of War know how to do is copy GW. What will they do if the quality of GW sculpts falls? Is this all some massive ruse to put the copycat companies out of business by forcing them to make poor minis?

>>44711180
don't worry, you don't actually use the bases for anything. Everything is measured from the models, and if someone's on a base that's too large for your dude to reach them, just place your guy on top of their base!

Not even kidding.

>>44713529

Thats the problem. on the 40k side the imperium got dunked on, but then the battlefleet gothic imperials shoved their gigantic statuary covered cocks way up inside everything.

And the vast majority of people only play 40k. If you actually carry that through you're going to have lots of people complaining "what do you mean 'and then the panel was bombarded'? we won, damnit" and the only thing you can tell them is, "whelp like 7 guys vaugely on your side sucked at a game you've never heard of so it doesn't matter."

>>44712233
Yeah. The Slayer lore is gone too, the concept doesn't exist for Dwarves anymore. Instead gold is like crack for them, and they do anything to get it so the priests can put it in their bodies as runes.

>>44713697
THE PATRIOTS!

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>>44713682
>Ur-Gold, which is like gold, only mysterious and mystical

>>44713637
I really do like Herohammer better on a skirmish scale and it's one of the reason of why I feel KoW is doing mass battle better than Warhammer by the end of its life cycle.

>>44713697
No, its GW realizing the only people who buy their models are those who buy models exclusively from GW so they can put out lower quality and maximize profits.

The copycat companies will see the same business as before.

>>44713673
>armor-geddum
>remembering 14-year-old me screaming WAAAAAAAAAAAGH alongside a room full of middle-aged men and pimply teens

;_;

Why does GW insist on copyrighting the names of everything? I don't know what effect this has on the business. It's done jack shit against third party businesses, they simply state "fyi this bit is compatible with GW DUARDIN URGOLDIANS" and can't get in trouble for that.

>>44713771

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w6m-nhUcos

I know that feel m8.

>>44713705
Or maybe it was a good reflection of how the universe was portrayed in the fluff at the time. The Imperial Navy was always the thing that kept the Imperium standing. Marines are great, but a small force tat can hardly be effectively deployed. The Imperial Guard on the other hand, suck but half compensate for that with numbers. All other races have a better balance of numbers and firepower. But nothing beats the Navy in terms of ships and firepower.
Also BFG was one of the best games GW ever made.

>>44713771
>remembering slaughtering orks
I mean I know it was always pretty easy, but back then marines could be easily configured to be the best anti-infantry army of the game. You were fucked if someone brought too much armour, but it always worked against orks.

>>44713783
Because it makes it more unique.
They think different names will mean better writing. Not realizing its a vidya palette swap technique.

>>44713783

Thy renamed all the paints too, even though at least half of them are the exact same colour as before (shadow grey, scorched brown, bleached bone, etc.) I assume to copyright those but, again, it's not that hard for Vallejo or whoever to name it similarly, like I have an old Vallejo paint that was "Beasty Brown" instead of "Bestial Brown," you could still do that with a lot of the names, and it's confusing as fuck with all the retarded paint names, not least of all the lizardmen range which is literally called "temple guard green" or something when it is actually a shade of blue, and Duncan Rhodes even said it was a shade of blue in a video, but still called it by its full name. Ugh.

>>44713903

>Also BFG was one of the best games GW ever made.

This is the truth. Why did they ever discontinue their glorious Specialist Games? They were alwasy better than 40k.

>>44713577
They shouldn't have killed Eldrad, he was too much of a dick to die.

>>44713903

I didn't say anything about it not being fitting to the setting.

It just nullifies the agency of the customers they had just got done selling agency too in the form of a shared story-affecting campaign. That's bad.

>>44714022
Would it be better if he appeared as a named Necromancer in Age?

>>44713952
>plop scratch-built battle-wagon on table
>nuked on first turn
>stop using it since it always gets nuked on first turn
>now deff-dredd gets nuked on first turn

It ain't easy bein green

Though it was pretty funny when the choppa rule was new and spess muhreen fags would burst into tears because their 3+ save was dropped to 4+

>>44714020
They were slightly more challenging to learn and play. That's why. Most of GW's 40k customers couldn't into anything even slightly more complicated than 40k. And i guess their fantasy players only wanted fantasy?

>>44714020

Because they had a hard time organizing enough localization people to get all the material translated.

no really. that's what it was.

>>44714086
The real tears were when 2+ saves were reduced to 4+.

>>44713903
>Also BFG was one of the best games GW ever made.
It's telling when BFG, with its clusterfuck of a ruleset, is considered among the best games GW made.

>>44714020

According to rick priestly they accidentally ordered too many copies of the gorkamorka rules translated into different languages and it nearly bankrupted the company so the suits eventually decided to axe everything but whfb/40k/LotR

>>44713783
The explanation I've read is that UK copyright law states that if you don't try to defend your IP at all times, you effectively have to give it up.

This would mean that every time someone tries to sell "Dwarf Slayers" that are half-naked bearded dwarves, GW are forced to send a C&D and go through all of the court work despite the fact that they know they're going to lose because "dwarf", "slayer" and "half-naked" combined aren't unique enough to be called an IP.

The easy solution is to rename your Slayers to Fyreslayers, your Dwarfs to Steamhead Duardin, your Lizardmen to Seraphon etc., so that whenever someone's selling generic fantasy miniatures you don't have to go to court and lose just to keep your IP rights.

>>44714086
Ugh, I remember that. The whining especially. All it took was a slight rethink in strategy. More frag missles, less assaulting. Also more points into destructors and razorbacks.

>>44714096
Fantasy players had Mordheim, Warmaster, Man'o'war etc. to choose from, silly.

>>44714105
From what I read it was they they produced way too many copies of translated rulebooks, and lost heaps of money sitting on unsold foreign copies.

>>44714096
Gothic was really the only one that was more challenging to play.

>>44714116

Haha yeah, forgot about that. Spess muhreen players were almost always "that guy" or a teenaged, larval thatguy. Especially Ravenwing/deathwing players

>>44714122
It's telling of several things.
1 is that GW sucks, yes. The other is that there is more to making a fun game than just the rules. A good game that is in some way sufficiently engaging can overcome a certain amount of bad rules. Space battles of giant church ships vs space-elf clippers, or garbage ships, or chaos satanic church ships was awesome enough to make it great.

>>44714022
It didn't help that Eldrad was also one of Eldar's most prominent special characters and in the fluff has been around since at least 30k. It was also a kick in the dick for Ulthwe players.

If they were gonna do something drastic they should have turned him into a Wraithlord Seer or something instead of having Slaanesh making off with his soul.

>>44714096
I haven't played 40k but it's my understanding that it is Special Rules: The Game.

>>44714204
The rules seemed to work into the narrative, never being quite sure what the fuck was going to happen felt right for a 40k space battle.

>>44714204
I would say it was more at GW out a lot of personality into the rules and you can tell that the new generation of personality is lacking.

>>44714188
I think it has a lot to do with most marine players only ever building the "best" army. So when it doesn't work they have no options, and the only thing they can figure out to do is spaz out.

>>44714204

Same for mordheim, the rules were clunky and had dozens of d66 and d100 charts but the setting was so awesome and the results of those charts so ridiculous that I still play mordheim.

My brothers Youngblood becoming stupid, lame, and losing an eye then spending every game running into walls was worth the fifty hours of making buildings out of foamcore

>>44714266
>>44714271
Pretty much. It had a [personality that just felt right.
>>44714254
Yes more ore less. But there's a catch: all the special rules for all the armies are essentially the same but with different names. The basic rules are really basic, and the special rules are repetitive enough to not be hard to figure out.

>>44714307
I never got into mordheim. It always looked neat, but i was already too into 40k and BFG. That might have been one of the problems with the specialty games really. You had to already be into the games they were an offshoot of to get into them, generally speaking.

>>44714204
Yeah, GW has been the embodiment of this. WFB and 40K were never good wargames but always excellent games. LotR was pretty good as a ruleset but lacked the spark to make that ruleset enjoyable. The specialist games are a bunch of game designer's horror stories (except maybe Epic), but they were still awesome.

People will cite various game excuses as for why they left 40K and WFB, but the sharpest decline in player approval was when they murdered the settings.

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>>44707074
The storyline of End Times could be continued into something really glorious.
shit
It really makes me sad

>>44714307
Playing Mordheim when it first came out with new releases every month and the Town Cryer magazine was just great.

>>44714361
I was already not so thrilled about the quality of the fluff the years before the End Times, so GW just kinda confirmed with it at they had no good ideas the current staff. So I almost consider it a mercykilling.

I disregard the entire thing as non canon because it doesn't mesh well with thenplayer and better fluff.

>>44714127
>ordered too many copies...and it nearly bankrupted the company
How does that even happen? No, like seriously, how could that happen at a corporate level? There are dozens of people that check and double check orders, finances, and customer demographics that should have all seen the shipping info at some point and not one person thought to himself, "gee, there sure are an awful lot of books being printed in Swahili for our 3 customers that speak that language."

>>44714275
>I think it has a lot to do with most marine players only ever building the "best" army.

Yeah, totally. My brother tried to do a proper marine army with six tactical squads and it never did as well as the ones with two tac squads and everything else maxed out. I hate to point the finger at muhreenz but it kinda seemed like this minmaxing started with marines and then spread to other factions, especially newer ones like necrons and tau, and then it got to the point where I couldn't win with my army built around 75 basic ork Boyzwith gretchin screens and vehicle support, and I started to lose interest in the game.

I got to like whfb more, started empire and dark elf armies, and then AoS sprayed feces all over that so now I just complain on the Internet because GW is dead to me but my nostalgia won't allow me to fully let it go

>>44714554
Because that's what Kirby does, eating too much stuff and then trying to stay floating with the power of his puffed cheeks.

>>44714554
Orks in the staff?

>>44714578
I lost interest n 6th. The point when my templars simply could not win. I had the stuff to min max to an extant, but i always played them as fluffy as I could. As much CC as i could reasonably cram in, always charging headlong into certain doom. The thing is, before the official minmax builds combined with the power creep, I could win sometimes. Or at least loose awesomely. Win that stpped being possible, and when it stopped being possible for anyone it stopped being fun.
I liked games of insane zealot space knights vs insane ork mobz. Or anything like that. Just fun games with armies built around the way they were portrayed, not just how they can win.

>>44714578
It could swing the other way too though, I remember my no aspect warrior, foot-slogging Eldar army suddenly becoming unstoppable with the release of the craftworld supplement codex.

>>44714681
This to me is the appeal of 30k. People build fluffy armies and the game is big on infantry.

>>44714360

I'm still surprised how many people only played 40k and didn't even acknowledge fantasy as existing, back when I was a fanboy I played most of what GW released, whfb, mordheim, gorkamorka, bfg, LotR. My first GW buy in 1998 was the gorkamorka starter because the concept of warcraft/tolkien-style orcs in space with machine guns and mad max vehicles blew my mind, then I got the 3rd edition 40k box and 5th edition whfb, so I guess I started out more open to trying all the specialist games.

Never got necromunda because it was OOP when I started and I was wary of inquisitor because the scale meant I couldn't use the minis in 40k

>>44714647
>Orks work at GW
>printing books in languages that none of the GW customers speak

"Ey boss, we'z dun went an prined da bookz in da rong langwagez!"
"Oi, das a gud laff!"

>>44714782
With the current state of the translation team, that's pretty much happening right now.

>>44714782
>communist grots starts forming in the working staff

>>44714724

Yeah, the "new" ork codex back in '07 or '08 or whenever gave me some hope and I tried to get back into it, bought the black reach set or whichever one had the orks, but it seemed like even that codex was just designed to give orks the ability to make a smallish, tightly-focused minmax army, and that was right around when prices began to skyrocket with a vengeance

>>44714681

I think 5th was the last edition I bought the rules for, I haven't even looked into the newer rules changes because apocalypse already seemed like they were starting to lose it and go nuts trying to get people to buy and spam huge, expensive vehicles

>>44714647
In that era it would have been trolls not orks.

>those days when you could phone up the mail order trolls and get them to send you individual sprues and components

Do you think those infantry are expensive?

The salamandra-thing going to cost $110. For a fucking model that's like the size of a high elf dragon kit (half the cost), roflmao

'They lowered the costs with Age of Sigtard, you don't need many models to play, see these DUARDIN FYRESLAYER force is only2 salamanders, 2x10 guys, 2x5 guys and a hero, for the bargain price of $450 for 33 models!

>>44714931
Those were the days. You could get a bunch of minis and bits that the stores hadn't carried for over a decade.

>>44714020
http://unpluggedgames.co.uk/features/games-workshop-the-origins-of-a-tabletop-empire/

http://unpluggedgames.co.uk/features/blood-dice-and-darkness-how-warhammer-defined-gaming-for-a-generation/

>>44713529

the dark angels fucked off to do their own thing instead of help in the main war effort, which kind of fits for their lore, the dick bags

>>44715019
>“To me the background to 40K was always intended to be ironic,”

>>44714229
Its okay, that means he becomes a Fantasy character when Tyrion and Teclis take turns kicking Slaanesh in the dick until he pukes souls.

>>44714782
Is there an English to Orkish Cockney app? I can never figure out how to type it right.

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>>44715269
Well, there is this list of Ork glyphs and terms.

>>44698069

>yfw you realize the current crop of GW designers are responsible for many of GW's most reviled models, including but not limited to these Fyreslayers, the Taurox, the Stormsurge, and the Stormcast Eternals

There's a few basic guidelines.

1. Th sounds are usually replaced with a d or f sound depending on the word

2. S sounds are replaced with z sounds (but never in the word boss)

3. Listen to the ork speech in the video games and read it in the books, follow the use of established words from those sources if able.

4. When in doubt, sound it out. Always use phonetic spellings to how you want the words to sound.

>>44715825
Another basic guideline is double-checking which thread you're posting in.

>>44715858
Maybe you should take your own advice?

>>44715825
is an obvious reply to >>44715269
but he forgot to link the post.

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>>44698069
Unarmoured meaty dwarves with wild hair and big axes
vs
NAKED mincing dwarves with synthetic puppet hair and gay props

It's not much of a decision

>>44713761
The upcoming campaign book will have rules for heroes, along with new units and of course campaign rules. Hopefully they don't fuck it up, having a large commercially game where you can use any models you want that isn't Flames of War would be great.

>>44701202
Gotrek feels like Asterisk and Obelix did the fusion dance

>>44707624
>>44707686
The key they both have in common is a lack of any intuitive design sense coupled with a fucktarded roulette methodology for grafting on new features. Either they rocket wildly overboard with horse seizures and spines like that mutant lion that was shot recently, or they do absolutely NOTHING, enjoy your reference pose. Like they can somehow have no sense of restraint AND be terrified of rocking the boat, all at once. It's a company with dissociative identity disorder.

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>>44708565
Tau went to shit when Ethereals went from reserved, graceful monitors and counsellors to blingtastic half-nude grandad-cardinals. At the same time all Tau stuff suddenly had these giant wedge antenna things that serve no purpose.

>>44708704
I'm pretty sure you could just throw a book of logical fallacies at Games Workshop's decision making process behind Age of Sigmar and the resulting anti-matter blast would cleave the earth in twain.

>>44708894
People who accuse anyone interested in a balanced game of being WAACs are what I like to call LAACs. They're former wannabe WAACs that realised they suck at the game and they also suck at being good sports, so they bitterly aim to shit in everyone's chips by reducing everything to a bullshit "I'm more FLAVOURFUL than you are" fest that they reckon they might win at.

This is the fate of many actual WAACs, incidentally. WAACs don't actually exist outside of actual early teens. Those that don't grow up or drop the hobby become the vehement "your all WAACfags!" that plague generals.

>>44716242
Did James Stokoe design that?

>>44716506
No idea. But it would make a mint treehouse.

>>44716242
For some seconds I tought it was an official model but not even GW would do an overly over guned model like this (yet).

>>44716598
Just you hold your fucking breath.

Or at least I would say that, if it wasn't obvious GW's current management will be caput by the time they get to guns