MTG: Modern General

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ultra pro best sleeves

>>44695234
They're really not though
KMC is king

I got a random Wal-Mart giftcard for Christmas or something, what magic-related things should I spend it on? What yields the most cash?

>>44695234
Dragon Shields are better

Pretty funny. Amulet Bloom roflstomps everything trough sheer luck: Everyone cries for a ban because its sooo oppressive, consistant and resistant.
Now Grishoalbrand does the same and no one cares.

>>44695273
my racialized brother

>>44695276
I honestly think its easier to deal with Goryo's Vengeance than Amulet Bloom.

>>44695276
I've heard pros mentioning goryos in potential bans

Was there ever a time a complete jank brew made it into top 8? Like, not fringe decks like Grishoalbrand but something completly never seen?

Big gay homo tripfag edition t.bh f.am

>>44695318
Lantern control won a tourney, once.

>>44695318
wasn't bloom that?

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I think I'm going to pull the trigger on this archetype (extra turns.dec). Seems fun, and good against the main trinity.

I'm gonna try it out with disrupting shoal though.

>>44695318
One time Esper Mentor won a Top 8 in Japan and then never showed up again. Thats just off the top of my head

>>44695326
sounds hot desu

>>44695318
That was eggs when it won the tourney it did. Then it got banned.

>>44695276
Nigga modern has legacy level gravehate while fucking over lands isn't near the same level.

>he named the wrong borgy

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Fucking chinese piece of shit

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>pithing needle rekt

>Loses because named the wrong Borborygmos
Fucking gay judges

Holy shit he named the wrong Borborygmos with Pithing Needle. Fantastic

>wins because ruling

jesus bob you're a faggot

>That naming fuck up

B R A V O

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THE TECHNICALITY WIN

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Jesus christ, you can't make this up.

>Grishoalbrand winning trough 2 pithing needles
>Amulet Bloom winning trough 2 ghost quarters
yet no one is crying about grishoalbrand, the parallels are pretty funny

"What did you name with the needle?"

"Borborygmos."

"OK, Borborygmos, Enraged will deal 12 to you."

>>44695546
its 1,000$ minimum in prize difference, are you autistic

>>44695530
I love moments like this. That's right up there with Bloom players losing to their own Pact triggers.

>>44695561
grishoabrand won through 1 pithing needle and 1 really bad fuckup/technicality.

>>44695264
my kmc sleeves keep splitting. Drgun shllds havent yet. but i dont like the gloossyness
shame i cant double sleeve them

>>44695573
Bob knew he won when he did that. I can't stop laughing holy shit.

>>44695380
RIP in peace Second Sunrise
I'll never forget your sacrifice

>>44695622
Did you watch the bloom match? His opponent misplayed the second GQ actually enabling the bloom player to go off that turn. Both were misplays.

>>44695623
Dragonshield makes matte sleeves

>>44695644
Nope. What specifically happened?

Jund vs Goryo's. RIP jund
>people are going to be whining on reddit how it needs to be banned

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>winning through opponent's misnaming technicality

>>44695623
i double sleeve in dragon shields

>>44695667
The bloom player quartered the merfolk players ghost quarter, with 2 tapped lands on his board. THe merfolk player quartered his tolaria instead of just letting it resolve, getting him an untapped island and enabling him to play double amulet into titan into 20dmg with trample and vigiliance

So much salt in the top 8 Jeff Hoogland, and now this heh.

>>44695673
>SCG certified judges give new deck free wins in every round of top 8 so far
>meanwhile they are typing away at their laptoms performing massive buyouts of every card in the decklist :^)

>>44695673
>going to reddit
>ever
What a faggot

>>44695737
>new deck
But 4 real SCG is pretty scummy about prices. WOTC really needs to get on that reprint train soon, they didn't anticipate this

>>44695756
Its a quote from one of the announcers, in reference to last week's Bloom win

>>44695756
If you don't click the neckbeard posts, they have quite OK discussions. Maybe because the sub isnt really big

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>>44695737
That was the correct ruling though. Pithing Needle requires a valid cardname. It only affects cards with the exact name. In casual magic, this would be a bad call, but not at the highest level of rules enforcement we are currently at.

Even if it wasn't, he was set up to win in 2 more turns.

>>44695811
This. Its really scummy in FNM or casual environment. Its a scummy in bigger tournaments. Its a bit scummy when its the first day of a GP or SCG event.
Its not scummy when a few thousand dollars and important points are on the line, its not like magic pros make millions.
Also, as the commentators stated, he would have probably won in the next 2 turns anyway.

>>44695623
Are you using HYPER KMCs?

Just bought 10 BFZ Boosters with that giftcard, hopefully I can pull some parts to Eldrazi that are either good for making the deck or that I can sell off when the deck hits meme status

>>44695811
>>44695847
Just realized I basicly repeated your post, sorry anon

>>44695234

Completely useless as CMC 4. Should have been a 2/2 for RG. I am really shaking my head at WotC designers, they really don't know what the fuck they are doing anymore.

>>44695929
No problem anon. I'm glad someone agrees it was the right call.

Also, it's a pretty funny way for a match to end.

>>44695939
I think they know exactly what they're doing

Swans and either Seismic Assault or Molten Vortex in URW Midrange: interesting idea for FNM or completely stupid?

>>44695869
Should have gone with khans.

Based of that, what do I do with 60€ on amazon?

Get ready to see the exact kind of playstyle that Modern promotes; uninteractive combo.

>>44695985

I play tron :^)

>>44695982
I couldn't find any Khans stuff on their website which annoyed me

On amazon, I don't really know what you can find. Khans is probably pretty good

So, did Gatewatch give us anything other than Warping Wail?

>>44696118
There's a ton of stuff that is either very good or unplayable jank. We'll see.

>>44696118

memedrazi

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>>44696118
It gave us an infinite combo :^)

>>44696118
Kozilek's return for Tron

Lots of fuel for Eldrazi, I'm starting to get on that Hype Train for B/W Eldrazi

POLLUTED DELTA SEARCHING FOR MOUNTAIN

>>44696118
Newzilek
>>44696211
No reason to play it over pyroclasm, 3 mana is too slow and etched champion is usually the least of your worries in the affinity matchup.

Bob just unintentionally cheated. Got a mountain off of a delta. It's pretty small, but yeah.

>>44696211
He coulda got a blood crypt, which would have been better for him anyway.

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>>44696118
Kozi's return
That 3-drop eldrazi that basically cascades on death
That other 4-drop eldrazi clique
2-drop hasty flier with prowess that will be Delver's best friend
and pic related

>>44696256
Some people are planning on playing it as a 1-of in Tron instead of a Clasm or Firespout

>>44696294
But most of those are actually just awful

>>44696353
Not in an Eldrazi deck

>>44696188
Even if you don't have Cutthroat down, Catacomb Sifter basically lets you write down the order of your entire deck then leave whatever you want on top.

>>44696409
The three drop is awful. Thought nought is alright. The 2 drop is kind of awful

>>44696420
That's what makes it so crazy in my opinion.

Sucks that was the only white Eldrazi they made, I feel like there could've been more design space in that field.

Wall of Omens, Blade Splicer, Eldrazi Displacer, Avalanche Rider, Restoration Angel, Akroma, Angel of Fury, Path to Exile, Lightning Bolt, Ghost Quarter, Tectonic Edge.

An interesting beginning, or a dead end?

>>44696420
But that's not an infinite combo

>>44696118

I got a gut feeling Worldbreaker will see play in GR Tron somewhere as a trial piece for a while.

>>44696436
The 3 drop is good. If it doesn't accelerate your mana he replaces itself and it can come down on turn 2 more easily than Thought Nazi.
The UR guy has prowess so someone will probably find a way to break him.

>>44696294

You forgot Reality Smasher.

Honestly, that hypothetical list with Eldrazi Mimic seems very explosive.

Turn 1 Eldrazi Temple/Eye of Ugin, Eldrazi Mimic
Turn 2 Eldrazi Temple/Eye of Ugin
Thought Knot Seer, Mimic swings for r
Turn 3 Any land, Reality smasher, Mimic and Smasher swings for 5 each, Seer swings for 4

The 2 Sol land opener is rare though but still

>>44696532
>Mimic swings for 4*

Boy, Grishoalbrand is proving to be a meme flavor of the month.

Oh wow Jund won against Goryo's, thats great. Junds still viable wew lad

>>44696627
That was embarrassing. What the fuck was he even doing

>delta fetches mountain
>try to manamorphose with UB

Scg level competition sometimes... Just wow

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>play meme deck
>get to finals
>lose to jund
thank you jund

>>44696504
Its a 3 drop that maybe nets you a land. That's a limited bomb.

The UR guy is a 2 drop. Its not as good as young pyromancer. That's all we really need

>>44696627
>>44696741
>i'm dumb

>>44696739
Been playing all day, he's probably tired. Not good plays though. Don't like his second keep either.

>>44696741
Thank you, Jund!

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>>44696741
Based jund.

I do like the grishoalbrand deck though. I just didn't want that shit cheering the finals.

>>44696741
I don't even play jund but want it to always stay the tier 1 fun police of modern

modern needs a bad guy and jund perfectly fits that role

>>44696741

> Terrible meta for Jund

> Jund wins

>>44696914
It's like you people forget luck is a part of the game or something.

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>>44696914

>>44696943
>>44696793
>being this mad that jund won

>>44697032
Who's mad?

>>44697154
OH WOW WE GOT A MAD AS FUCK CUNT OVER HERE LADS

I'm an esperfag and I'm glad Jund won. I need BGx and Twin to beat up on, after all.

When do we find out the banlist?

>>44697417
The 18th

>>44697417
jan 18th

>>44697417
They're not changing anything.

>>44697154
"Who's mad?" is what people who are mad say.

>>44697446
this desu senpai

>>44697446
But anon, the local shopowner just sold me a playset and has a friend that works at wizards!

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>post yfw Innocent Blood gets reprinted in Shadows

>>44697573
>>44697559
On the 18th, the banlist update will be:

We feel that the current metagame is diverse, and that the large amount of uninteractive decks is fine, so long as it's a diverse number of uninteractive decks.

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>>44697588
As a MBC player my mirth would be uncontainable

guys plz, important question: which Blinkmoth Nexus looks better? Mirrodin version or the MM version? im convinced that Mirrodin version looks better because of the sense of scale, but the MM version looks better alongside Inkmoth Nexus.

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>mfw cycling lands get reprinted in SoI

>>44696468
>T3 Displacer
>T4 Rider
>T5 Untap, Upkeep, Flicker
Too cute, but if/when it works I can see people hating the shit out of it.

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>>44697588
yeah buddy I'd love to use it in Esper

>>44697646
Only if it comes with Astral Slide. I'd play the everloving SHIT out of that deck in Modern.

>>44697643
Innocent Blood alongside path to exile would make Esper possibly a tier 2 archetype.

It would also make Junk better, but idgaf since my Junk matchup is already pretty good.

So I built WUGles. It's as terrible as it sounds but I keep winning my modern events with it because everyone things I'm not cracking for dryad arbors when I'm not cracking to hold up spell pierce. It's pretty funny.

>>44697681
I run a singleton dismember/gftt in esper. Innocent Blood would 100% get that slot and I'd probably cut some other stuff to make sure I have at least 3 copies of it, maybe 4.

Esper's problem is having a hard time interacting early on without path to exile and Blood fixes that.

Currently 2 rounds in a modern tournament. 2/0 with merfolk. Came here on my own with no friends and I just got done crushing 2 guys with their girlfriends there. Feels good man. Fucking normies

>>44695234
>pay mana AND land ( tempo ) for trample
What the fuck was development even thinking?
Oh I figured it out
>That would go great in my EDH deck ;)

>>44697646

Watch the panic buying Life of the Loam will have if they reveal that cycling would make a comeback

>>44697742
Post list sounds interesting

>>44697756
Yeah, outside of hand disruption Esper doesn't have a whole lot of early game going for it. Wizards please do this

Reminder that a format dominated by decks that aren't even trying to interact with their opponent cannot possibly be considered healthy.

>>44697771
>not throwing it in amulet bloom for keks

>>44697771
The point of the ability isn't to gain trample. The point of the ability is to enable land shenanigans by allowing extra land drops and being able to bound lands back to your hand. Giving something trample is an afterthought.

>>44697830
Reminder that the first deck to ever win a national tournament was a monogreen deck that prevented the enemy from untapping lands past turn two and then killed them with a 1 drop.

>>44697802
Esper usually runs some hand disruption in the sideboard, the problem is that you're going to take a lot of damage from the aggressive decks of the format, so casting thoughtseize really hurts. You could play inquisition, but the problem is the decks you really want hand disruption for are weird combo decks that are hard to interact with, and inquisition will whiff against a lot of those decks (doesn't grab ad naus, titan, karn, ugin, etc.)

This is why esper control plays some number of thoughtseize in the sb for combo where your life total isn't going to be chipshotted away, they'll kill you all at once so bringing in thoughtseize doesn't hurt that much.

That and discard is bad against decks that actively shit their hand and it doesn't stop the top of the deck. tl;dr discard is good in esper, but only in the sideboard

>>44697830
That's why I love Jund. It basically says "Well, if you're not going to interact with me, I'm sure as shit going to interact with you."

>>44697911
What deck?

I'm putting this deck together to memecast Kolaghan's Command with Snapcaster, but it occurred to me that this color combo completely lacks enchantment removal.

How do you beat Blood Moon and Choke with Grixis Control? Just board in lots of 1-2 mana counters and always keep a blue open?

>>44697950
It was a different time anon, when spells were powerful and creatures were shit.

What are good options for modern gifts decks?

>>44697964
What. Deck.

>>44697963
You have counters and discard. You don't need enchantment removal.

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>>44697911
This card won worlds

>>44697986
Grixis doesn't play hard counters. Its not hard for mana leak to become dead.

>>44697963
Grixis just kind of naturally folds to choke, there's not much you can do about it. I'm on Esper and I have Esper Charm which can nuke a Choke at neutral tempo, and I have Celestial Purge to answer blood moon at positive tempo for me. This is the inherent issue with Grixis, red doesn't have the hate cards or the anti-hate cards white does, so you just have to be able to kill them faster.

>>44697994
Dragon storm is actually a pretty good deck

dude based craigslist. found a dude selling 5000+ cards for a hundred dollars. Shitty quality camera photo but I see some Natural Orders in the pile.

>>44695963

Well, they don't.

>>44695811
>>44695847
Many years ago in the regionals here, almost everybody received a game loss or match loss because of invalid (colloquial) card names in the deck list.

Tron peaked at 20 during Charlotte, top kek

>>44698053
Yet it's totally banned out in Modern, but is too slow/inconsistent for legacy. They're so scared of rituals

>>44697950
Can't seem to find a list but the deck was essentially winter orb + icy manipulator combo and green one drops.

>>44698052
then fetch basics or get out on the board before blood moon hits. It's really not that hard to beat blood moon when you see it coming. Choke is more difficult, you just have to hope you can win with whats on the board when it does come down.

>>44698125
They're afraid of rituals because in Legacy there's Daze and Force of Will for "free" counterspells. In Modern all we have is Pact of Negation, and the only deck that runs it right now is Amulet Bloom because they use it as protection for when they go to combo off.

If Force of Will and/or Daze were Modern-legal, we'd see rituals and some other busted shit be unbanned.

>>44698125
No i have the deck and playtest against my Naya Burn and although I did lose more often than win I did pull a few off.
The nut draw was two lotus blooms.
I suspended both, survived an onslaught of Burn somehow, I was on the play thank goodness and then turn 4 they came off suspend with an electromancer in play. I cast them for RRRRRR and the two rituals played Dragonstorm and tutored up Karthas and three Bogardan Hellkites.

>>44698184
I don't play Grixis, I was explaining to a grixisfag why those cards are going to be good against him.

I get all the cool white sideboard cards so I can metagame the fuck out of my local LGS.

I'm gonna be honest, I can't lie anymore

Playing RG tron makes me sick, playing RG makes me feel like some kind of filthy unwashed barbarian

>>44698182
Hokori and Icy Manipulator always interested me, though I struggled to find a way to make it actually work. Slower and clunkier than Orb/Manipulator

>>44698276
>my local LGS
>my local local game store

>>44698301
Did that trigger you anon?

>>44698301
Two local game stores. One is just more local that the other.

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>Play RG Tron
>Feel dumber every time I say "Urzatron Online."
>Win a lot but feel like the equivalent of button mashing and winning in a fighting game

>Play U Tron
>Constantly interact with opponents
>Work hard for my "Urzatron Online"
>Constantly on the verge of losing and susceptible to losing for the slightest misplay but feel completely satisfied once momentum swings back to me

>>44698415
good for you?

>>44698415
Do you not just say "Tron's On"? So much easier to say

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>>44696118

This has to be good right? It's almost the green ponder

>>44698064

Make sure they are not from chinaman

>>44698415
You better be saying "Urzatron Online" in a stilted computer voice manner.

>>44697802
You were warned
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wugles/

>>44698182
>>44698294
Hokori+Isochron Scepter(Otherworldly Journey) makes Hokori one-sided. Icy Manipulator can worsen the lock, and Floodbringer can do the same plus swing in for flying damage. Supreme Verdict sweeps the board, etc.

Good? Hell fucking no. Fun? Maybe.

>>44695181

What happened to Neva and Frank the Tank from Cardshop Life? They arent on there anymore.

>>44698475
This is just more proof that wizards philosophy is "It's okay if it's green"

>>44698543

When I play RG Tron I say it like that

When I play U Tron I say it in a confident and smug manner

>>44698591
oh man
oh man

>>44698526
thanks for the concern, but this is an "i have no idea what anything is worth" cardboard box filled with miscellaneous shit type of deal.

>>44698591
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wugles/
Cut the hierarch, cut a dancer, cut a geist
trust me, i've run these numbers

>>44698688
that philosophy is right though. Green is shit.

>>44698475
It's ok yes. Please don't call it ponder, it's nowhere near as good as ponder.

>>44698907
It's better in modern because it's green And not banned

>>44698820
I don't get why people think green is bad. It's the second best color overall.

>>44698415

There's no greater feeling than inching near death then being able to Mindslaver lock your opponent. Feels fucking great

>>44698951
It's better cause its not banned, but ponder does more than just look at three cards. Ponder actually looks at 4 cards, and has extra utility when looking at 3

>>44698965
It's shit on it's own or even as the main color. It just happens to have Tarmogoyf and cards like Abrupt Decay

>>44698965
No, black is. Then red
Green is a good secondary color, but that's about it - and it's outclassed by red in that aspect

>>44698802
What am I running instead, umbras? Visions? Mainboard Hurkyl's Recall? Just curious what you think if you've tried this, I'm pretty done with the brew.

>>44699126
Umbras, they're probably the best enchantments in there because they protect you from board wipe and they're just 1-cost enchantments. Auramancer's Guise as a 1-of is also pretty funny for later on because playing it on turn 4 after getting like 3 or 4 enchantments on makes it an 11/11 which is nuts.

>>44699034
In modern green gets you choke, goyf, noble heirarch, scooze, collected company and ancient stirrings.

In older formats it has the most insane cards. Oath/fastbond/sylvan library.

The worst color is white shortly followed by blank.

>>44698280
I'm gonna be honest, I can't lie anymore

Literally no one cares.

>>44698965
Green is probably third best color. Blue is first, white second, black fourth, and red fifth.

Note this list is for all formats, not Modern only.

>>44699214
All formats white doesn't even make top 5 colors. Top 5: Blue then green then Black then red then brown.

>people bitching about all the unfair decks
>there's a color with all kinds of sweet hate cards that interact with the unfair decks
>b-but its not worth running

>>44699214
>>44699248
how is black not second best? tutors, necro, yawg will, etc?

>>44699499
Oath of Druids is one hell of a magic card.

>>44699248
Nyet, brown is #1, followed by blue, then green, then black, then colorless, then white, then red bc power 9

>>44699540
yeah it is, but so are the things I listed

>>44699499
Demonic tutor and yog will are good, but fastbond completely breaks the game. Oath is a card that invalidates aggro in standard, and is an archetype onto itself. Sylvan library is able to take over games if left unchecked.

I bought a collection. It had goyfs.
What should I build?

In modern there is no best color
Almost all decks are two or three colored for this reason because it gives you access to better cards and shores up the weakness of the other color. Probably the most powerful color on its own is Red or Blue evidenced by Merfolk being a good monocolor deck. Naya Burn is amazing but if you're on a budget there's enough Red options to just go monored which is why it's a solid color on its own.

>>44699583
Shops is good, but I'd still put blue above it. Talking all formats I'd put green and Black above it, but I'll buy that brown is the best color in vintage

>>44699214
>white second
What format is white good enough to not only be strong but so strong that it makes up for being awful in modern, legacy, and EDH?

>>44699248
I have white so high because of how strong its sideboard cards are, combined with the various Death & Taxes strategies across all formats.

It also has some good maindeck cards like Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, and various wrath effects (both of creatures and LD).

>>44699641
I really just figured Vintage was implied because someone said the best cards overall. Across all formats blue is the best by far, every format has a top tier blue deck except for standard

>>44699629

TarmoTwin
Jund

I think when it comes to "rating" each color we should focus less on cards that were printed from a time when they didn't know what the fuck they were doing let alone think about "color identity". Cards like Oath, Yawgwill, and even new cards like Snapcaster Mage aren't effect-pillars of their respective colors.

When we look at modern identities you can pretty much boil down each color to two or three lines (which really shows how little risk is in modern design).

Green - Mana accelleration, big faggots, graveyard recursion.
Blue - Counter your shit, draw cards
White - Blow up anything and/or everything
Red - Burn (seriously nearly every red Instant is burn, loot, or a Threaten effect)
Black - Hate your hand, do anything every color does so long as you pay life for it.

I should note that my list didn't include brown/artifacts mainly cause any deck could run them to some degree of success.

It's just that blue tends to do better w/ brown cards thanks to things like Tinker, Tolarian Academy. etc.

>>44699691
>white bad in legacy
Spot the bad player

>>44698415
>play lantern control
>constantly nearing zero life
>usually only set up a secure lock below seven life, but get it most of the time.
>that feeling when the light goes out of their eyes.

I feel pretty lewd playing lantern control.

>>44699629
sell them and play a really good deck in a different format

>>44699692
Death and taxes is good, but shops does what it does way better. Rest in peace is good, but there's no individual card/group of cards that are that powerful.

>>44699766
Death and taxes is good, but is so easily hated out. Dread of night/massacre/grim lavamancer

>>44699629
RG burning tree all in zoo

>>44699862
No one runs dread of night. I've only had that played against me once against ANT. Lavamancer is similarly not very played and not all that threatening either. Goblin sharpshooter is another story though.

>>44698965
Personally I rank the colors like this:
Overall: (Brown)>Blue>Black=White>Red=Green
Modern: Black>Green>Red>Blue>White
Standard since Khans: Green>>>Black=White>>>Blue>Red

>>44699836
Shops only matters in Vintage though.

>>44700015
Dread of night is a staple in my ANT sideboard. I run it any time I'm playing a deck that's soft to DnT. Grim Lavamancer is a 2 of in Delver sideboards and some maindecks. Point being that white decks are fragile.

>>44700063
Why is brown top and green bottom? Walk me through the reasoning

>>44700108
Fragile to a turn 1 or turn 2 tendrils/empty. Otherwise it can hang with anything.

>>44699583
What's the difference between brown and colorless?

>>44700164
Artifacts used to have a brown card background, hence calling an artifact themed deck "mono-brown". Nowadays we have colored artifacts and colorless permanents that aren't artifacts and also have grey borders instead of the old brown so the only people who would understand "brown" would be people who are aware of cards from like a decade ago.

>>44700164
There wasn't a difference before colorless Eldrazi came out but old artifact cards had a brown coloring instead of the silver that it currently has. If you meant non-artifact colorless spells, that would probably be on the lower end of the spectrum

Why can't we have mana rocks good enough for Wildfire to be viable?

>>44700160
Fragile to a turn 1 or 2 Dread of Night or massacre. All the ethersworn canonists in the world won't save you from that. The deck almost can't beat a single Dread of night. The deck doesn't apply fast enough pressure to close the door, so I don't mind playing the long game against DnT

>>44700270
because they would have to be sol ring or mox good. ya dingus.

How on earth did B/W tokens manage to get in top 8?
>inb4 Bitterblossom buyout.

>>44700212
To be fair, library of Alexandria is non artifact colorless. And is probably stronger than any white card all by itself

>>44700345
There should also be a separate list for lands that don't produce any specific colors

>>44700336

He didn't encounter any RG Tron matchups. That deck has solid matchup against the field, and about even vs combo due to the presence of disruption.

It does however completely fold vs RG Tron

>>44700319
>Thran Dynamo and Grim Monolith aren't things

>>44699862
Never seen massacre before. Dread of night sucks dick to play through, but white has enough enchantment removal that it's just stalling.
When I saw black(when I played dnt regularly) I sided helm/rip combo and four tutors, or just sphere of resistance vs storm.

>>44700336
Tokens is good against twin/bgx.

>>44700129
Green has a hard time interacting with or disrupting opponents on its own. Its most powerful cards allow you to break the normal mana progression of the game by ramping (fastbond, channel, etc.) or cheating things into play (Oath).

Brown is better at ramping (Sol lands, Posts, Mishra's Workshop, Tron) and has better interaction/disruption (Chalice of the Void, Pithing Needle, Null Rod, Lodestone Golem) as well as having some of the most outright broken cards in the game (Moxen + Lotus).

>>44695318
A bunch, then they get bandwaggoned and become meta.
Goryos, Elves, CoCo, Mentor, Lantern, Ascendancy, Bloom, Ad Nauseaum, hell, Pod was a shitbrew at a time and then became the lord of the format for years, wouldn't surprise me to see Eldrazi follow suit.

>>44700358
I'm not opposed to lands being their own category. Bazaar if baghdad, library and tolarian academy are probably singularly more powerful than any single red or white card

>>44700336
What this guy >>44700366 said.

Tokens has 2 unwinnable matchups right now: RG Tron and Amulet Bloom. It has 2 difficult matchups: Merfolk and Coco Abzan. And just steamrolls everything else.

I'm honestly surprised there's not more of them in the top contention.

>>44700288
I don't know man, you stumble for a few turns on decays and it can still get you. Always a timely erase or councils judgement to get it too if storm is something you really want to beat.

>>44700401
Ok that's a good argument for brown, but I still stand by the raw power of fastbond and oath. Oath going on the stack will generally win the game. A fastbond in play breaks mana more than three moxen, but probably not lotus

>>44700446
Tabernacle is insane too

>>44699540
No one plays green in legacy unless it's splashed and there's basically 1-2 vintage decks that play it and only for 1-2 cards that are admittedly good, but they rely on other colors to actually make them good instead of being good on their own. Fastbond is literally gamebreaking admittedly, but it's limited in it's scope. Oath of Druids is cute and all, but don't tell me you're getting a green creature with it or that you aren't using black and blue for consistency and reliability

>>44699756
Black is the most efficient mana acceleration color, followed by red. Green is only good as a source of more permanent mana in modern, but most of the time it can't be used in the same turn which is why they aren't banned

>>44695785
There's not even gonna be reprints this year. They didn't announce MM16, IoK, Auriok Champion and other plane-specific cards cannot show up because there's no more Core Set and MaRo keeps cynically stating reprints are bad for Standard.
Your only hope is Commander decks and considering the absolute best reprint they got this year was Phyrexian Arena, I wouldn't count on that.

Considering they're trying to turn colorless into an actual color, where does colorless land in the color rankings?

I'm thinking 3rd behind blue and green

>>44700482
Yeah it's not 75%in ANTs favor, but I do feel very favored post board.

>>44700336
Half the fucking decks were twin

>>44700554
Why does tokens do well against twin?

>>44700534
My ranking would be, in order:brown, blue, green, colorless, black, red, white.

>>44700504
Tabernacle, maze, academy, bazaar and library and insane

>>44697588
>Innocent Blood and Cabal Therapy
>Suddenly 8Rack is tier 1.

I want to taste those tears, even if I just play them in Junk.

>>44700464

Because tron is now a deck that is played

>>44700621
because 1-1 removal doesn't work against it and it can keep pace with snapcaster mage.
auriok champion (the scg guy was playing with it) prevents exarch combo and its pretty easy to interact when pestermite is there easiest path win

its the quintessential 'memerange' arms race of either trying to go over the top or operate on a different axis than normal

>>44700497
Fastbond requires you to have the fastbond and the three lands though. 3 Moxen is 3 cards to 3 mana that turn, AND they are spells so they count towards Storm. Using Chain of Vapor to bounce moxen and replay them is a legit way to build storm in Vintage.

Oath is incredibly strong, I agree, but every other color has its own "If this resolves, you're fucked" card(s). White has Balance, Blue has Tinker and Show and Tell and Mind's Desire, Black has Yawg's Will.

I guess Red doesn't have anything. Price of Progress is nasty, but it's not universal.

How about this:
(Brown)>Blue>Black=White>Green>Red

>>44700375
Massacre is in every storm sideboard, what are you talking about?

I want to be competitive, budget, and a shitbag but playing eggs gets a little mechanical for me
What crazy deck that happened that one time should I make next?

>>44700781
I run Dread of Night over Massacre in storm mate

>>44697771
Why is every asshat's response to a card they dont like "its edh/commander fodder"?

So how long before Wizards creates Modern 2 - Sort-of-like-standard-but-not-really-edition?

Can you have shock lands ETB untapped without paying life if Vigor is out?

>>44700723
Balance isn't that widely played because it's not the good

Fastbond is insane, if you have a 2 land hand your draw spells turn into rituals, your gushes become your most powerful ritual and draw spells. Fastbond crucible is a thing, but getting all the land out of your deck isn't the most powerful thing you can do with Fastbond. Ill take a fastbond drawb over a double mox draw

>>44700824
They're gonna need a lot more years than that. If they want it to be Origins-onward, they'll need to print at the very least 4 more blocks.

>>44700855
If you don't pay life for shocks, amulet of vigor will untap them

>>44700824
Probably in 5 years ago when they ruined extended.

>>44695276
T1 pithing needle or relic
T2 relic or cage
GG
A lot of decks can run 2 relic main

>>44700814
I run both cause massacre is also good against goblins and junk

>>44700962
Then you just breach worldspine.

>>44700813

Bogles, Living End

>>44700995
Any other suggestions?
Preferably noncreature decks

>losing because of wrong Pithing Needle target
>lost game because of scuffed sleeves
Any other great recent moments?

>>44701121
there is no bullshit noncreature deck other than eggs, try legacy

>>44701137
Damn I like bullshit noncreature decks
I wish turbofog was good

>>44701137
Humpus Wumpus

It's the name of the game

>>44701196
there are plenty of bullshit creature decks though
try infect

>>44700968
Massacre is 1) strictly worse than damnation against goblins and 2) definitely not a reliable wipe against junk.

One dread turns kills 2/3 of dnt, two only leaves avengers up.

>>44701121

Loam Pox, Mono U From, 8rack, Emeria Control

Hard to win at anything above FNM level, but whatever

>>44701218
I don't manage creatures well
Last time I played creatures I was playing bug constellation control in standard and forgetting that my sweeper was also a 4/6

>>44701243

>Mono U Tron

>>44701251
Git gud

>>44701121
Its not budget, but Esper Control only has 2 snapcaster mages, the rest of the deck is spells + lands. Most of the price of the deck is the mana base though, if you have that then you can get most of the parts.

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>>44701295
Ugh I like esper but one snaps is approximately what I'm willing to spend on the kind of dumb brew I'm looking for
Thanks though
>mfw modern lands
I use cloudcrest lakes in eggs because I don't want to spend $3 on adarkar wastes
>>44701243
I'll come up with some garbage thing I'm sure
Thanks for the help

I want to get into modern but the manabase for most decks and staples of the format are too expensive

should I just buy fakes?

I can't justify spending +$500 on cardboard when I can get the same shit for $40

>>44701484
nope
magic is all about justifying buying overpriced cardboard

So I've been tinkering with a deck built around Quest for Ula's Temple and would like a few ideas. I don't think it can ever be a completely T1 deck, but so far it's been beating up on the local combo decks and fish at fnm. Any thoughts?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kraken-tribal-4/

>>44701484
Yeah, fakes are fine. Just don't randomly show up with a $1500 deck at your flgs out of the blue.

>>44701419
oh shit, yeah that won't work then.

The manabase is 4 collonade, 4 flooded strand, 3 polluted delta, 2 hallowed fountains, 2 watery graves, 2 drowned catacombs, 5 basic lands (I have 3 island/2 plains, some lists have a basic swamp), 2 utility lands of some kind. I have ghost quarter because t1 inkmoth frightens me. I also have a godless shrine because against combo decks I'll board in thoughtseize and I need to be able to go flooded strand -> thoughtseize on turn 1 against combo. I have the 5th manland as a shambling vents because its nice to have lifegain vs. aggro decks.

Outside of the mana, the core of the deck is pretty cheap. Esper Charm/Verdict/Think Twice/Logic Knot/Revelation/White Sun's Zenith/Spell Snare are pretty cheap cards.

>>44701484
There are honestly several good budget decks that people underrate. Living Ends about $300 or you can build budget Burn without fetches. It won't be perfect but most of Burn is commons anyway so just go monored.

>>44701518
That's what I do with nonfakes tho

>>44701534
You're gonna have a bad time removing some nonland permanents G1 if you don't shell out for Cryptic though. The deck will still work, but you might get BTFO by some random Planeswalkers or a Vedalken Shackles or something. Cryptic also helps you stall for a boardwipe if you get swarmed.

>>44701137
>lost game because of scuffed sleeves
When was this?

>>44701517
Pretty cool, bro. I like the flavor.
I wish I played in zendikar.

>>44701670

Scg modern thing earlier today.

>>44701241
Massacre is not strictly worse than damnation. Damnation costs 4, massacre costs 0

>>44701670
Jeff boohoogland got a game loss for marked sleeves because they were scuffed up and let us know his asspain on twitter

Hah, look at all these faggots.

>ban amulet
>ban goryo's
>ban blood moon

>>44701845
Much a-butthurt over nothing

>>44701845
yes, these faggots

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/3675_modern_open_top_8_profiles.html

>>44701865
>Occupation: (blank)
>for every player
kek.

>>44701934
It's an error.

>>44696256
>Goes around protection
>Can be cast on opponent's turn
>Can be searched with ancient stirrings
I feel like those are pretty good reasons to play it at least in tron

>>44701865
>that one guy who wants to unban Bloodbraid Elf without Mind Sculptor

>>44701822
Against goblins, massacre costs 4.

>>44696768
3 cmc or lower
can only net u a land
really?
also it goes in ur hand if u 'wif'

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>>44701484
TFW pulled 2 Expedition Arid Mesas and was able to turn them into full sets of all the shocklands

>>44702014

> Wanting BBE back

> Dies to bolt

> Overcosted

Fucking noobs

>>44702055
Most goblins lists ruin plateau for ethersworn canonist. If they don't the matchup is a total cakewalk

>>44697645
MM

>>44702105
Do you understand that cascade on 4 is why it was banned?

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Quick question: Do abilities only trigger after a summon resolves? A counter to pic related would ignore the text because the card was on the stack?

>>44702163
Fair enough. I've only ever seen mono r goblins, and not many of those.

>>44702200
Stack isnt the battlefield, you answered your own question

>>44702194
>hitting a Kommand off of BBE

V A L U E

>>44702200
>graveyard from play
if it was countered on the stack it never entered the battlefield and was never in play.

So is Kiki-Chord actually legit or what? What makes it better than Abzan Company?

>>44702216
Most people splash white for canonist and thalia or black for cabal therapy. Red doesn't offer great sideboard options. In the dark I always take it in, against mono R or RB storm has an insane win rate. Pyrostatic pillar is alright, but very answerable

I am honestly surprised you all don't expect the following:
>Ban Blood Moon
>Ban Amulet of Vigor
>Ban Urza Tron
>Unban Sword of the Meek

If nothing changes, the Pro Tour won't look fresh. They gotta hit something huge. Nothing shakes up a meta better than a Tron ban (which will also justify playing Eldrazi).

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>>44702319

>>44702363
Why would you ban blood moon

>>44701638
The only walker I hate seeing is the RW liondude because he taps down manlands and makes it hard to profitably attack into him.

Once you get to the point where you can activate collonade, Lilliana is not even that much of a concern, its jut the t3 lilliana can be troubling.

>>44702319
Restoration Angel, Pia and Kiran Nalaar and Kiki-Jiki. They are pretty good in the current meta (Kiki's surprise combo win is nothing to laugh at)

>>44698052

Thanks for the advice, guys, I'll look into running hard counters where I can. I'll likely just sideboard in some spell pierces or swan songs against decks that are likely to have blood moon or choke.

>>44700820

Because every time a shit $.50 rare is spoiled, legions of shitters who think lots of text makes a card "powerful" gush about how they're so excited to unpack one with their allowance money and run it in their EDH deck.

>>44701865
>http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/3675_modern_open_top_8_profiles.html

>Tron or Ancient Stirrings. Tron and Amulet are too degenerate.
>Kozilek. Makes Tron even better.

How are some of these people in the Top 8

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>>44702101
>mfw I got a scalding tarn expedition from draft and someone bought it for 200 shekels on ebay

crazy man

>>44701979

None of these things actually help you in any way vs decks and board states that you want Pyroclasm for. And the extra 1 mana means that Burn has an entire extra turn to kill you.

>>44701865

>no Tron
>no Bloom Titan

I thought you guys said those decks were tier 0 broken?

>Ban Ancient Stirrings
>Unban Sword of the Meek

That way you cripple 2 decks out of their consistency without completely killing them, and you give fair U based decks a chance

>>44697771
It IS being made for edh though anon, omnath locus of rage needs extra lands to work and they arent going to sell many packs to commander players without those "sick" legendaries

>>44702541
People buy expeditions?

Why?

>>44702645
Expedition map is better than stirring

>>44702541
My friend opened a Misty Rainforest
He made some crazy trade with it and got like $300 of cards

>>44702645
How does that shake up the format at all? Think Deathrite Shaman and Birthing Pod.

>>44702654
because muh bling for edh

>>44702654
I would assume because fetches are used in Vintage and Legacy

Shadows over innistrad has a lot of potential to fix modern. It's got some of the most iconic flashback cards associated with its plane, so we could see Red Snapcaster printed, and some good hate cards with flashback added for value. Like imagine an instant speed ancient grudge but for non basic lands. That right there would fix half the shit wrong with modern.

We could add a cantrip with flashback

The set itself is thematically appropriate for things like Cabal Therapy, a card that desperately needs to be in modern. Innocent blood too. Finally, a UU flashback cost on a counterspell is just the ticket to make control good again without printing counterspell.

But shadows over innistrad won't fix anything. Instead we'll get more uninspired crap like BfZ to make whatever the next actually good set is look better.

Cause that's how wotc works now.

Think about it: you've got Theros before Khans, bfz before Oath, and finally Shadows over Innistrad before whatever.

>>44702718

Bring back cycling and madness pls. They are fair and well-recieved graveyard/discard mechanics that dindu nuffin

>>44702718
>UU flashback cost on a counterspell
I don't see how this helps me cast it on turn 2 unless I discarded it on turn 1 somehow.

>>44702704

You feeling ok familia?

>>44702768
The only acceptable graveyard mechanic is reanimation anon, now take your liliana emblem and like it

>>44702799
Grixis control would use it. Loot it into the bin, thoughtscour it into the bin, etc. In a format where half the decks run some sort of delving interaction, it's not hard to have your counterspell be online turn 2.

>>44702718

>I don't like decks that do things, so print super hard hate buttons! Decks shouldn't be winning on T4 or accelerating beyond fetching shocks.

Seriously who actually comes up with shit like this? Stuff like Counterspell and Force are in Legacy because decks can legitimately kill or establish inevitability by T1-T2.

Modern doesn't have that problem, and thus doesn't need those nukes. Im sorry you're mad you lost to T3 Karn because you didnt read the text on Spell Pierce, that doesn't rationalize shitting all over the land base of a format.

Modern doesn't need insane hate cards that just shut down "non-interactive" decks that can't win before T5.

>>44702704
But the expeditions are so ugly

>>44702962
I'm pretty sure he had to be kidding, cause flashback cantrips and flashback LD are definitely never happening

>>44702995
I know flashback LD is never happening, but it totally should.

Lands being precious protected children is actually making the format less interactive.

Restricting the LD to nonbasic hate would keep it from being abusive, and encourage more honest mana bases all in one beautiful format saving stroke.

>>44702995
Oddly enough play magic duels. Babyjace + maw of hell and mwonvuli acid moss. Shit feels right.

>>44703022
They should reprint back to basics if we want more LD. I agree with you, lands aren't off limits, but wizards wants a format without the feel-bads losing bad players. The issue is that nonbasic LD tends to punish expensive spells more than it does greedy manabase.

>>44703022

>What is Ghost Quarter

Blood Moon already keeps mana bases "honest" and checks 3-4 colour decks. Adding in '97 era LD would just hose any decks that depended on colour fixing.

>>44703138
>wizards wants a format without the feel-bads losing bad players
then what the fuck is blood moon?

>ban amulet of vigor
>unban stoneforge mystic
>unban blood braid elf
>unban jace, the mind sculptor
The format is now infinitely better

>>44703179
I guess they wouldn't want standard to be that format

>>44703182
>literally turning modern into caw blade.

>>44702964
Yeah, i agree
But since they are rare expensive foils, people will pay whatever
If i open an expedition Strip Mine or Wasteland i may keep it if i cant get enough for it

Modern needs to be solved with reprints, not bannings or unbannings

>reprint:
Counterspell
Cabal Therapy
Land Tax
Final Fortune
Natural Selection

I just fixed modern.

is it possible to make a working deck that's mostly specters, spot removal, and counterspells?

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>>44703418
>>44703418

>>44698125
It's like it a lot if they were to ban Grapeshot and Empty the Warrens but unban Seething Song and Rite of Flame making Dragonstorm and Big Red viable.

>>44698974
There is
>Mindslaver
>Ok
>Activate Mindslaver
>In response, Destructive Revelry, counter?
>...no.
>Thanks for the DR target, GG.

>>44701484
It's not worth buying fakes.
I've come to the conclusion they've either bought out stoneman or he just doesn't care/is covering her ass making his product easily detectable.

>>44702718
>instant speed ancient grudge for non basic lands
Either broken or unplayable depending on its mana cost. Would be ran in every deck mainboard with the right colors if it costs anything less than five mana. Arguably does more damage to fair decks than it does to tron.

>>44702718
SOI won't have flashback like BFZ didn't have kicker.
It'll have Morbid, Curses, and 6 different abilities to add +1/+1 counters!

>>44703022
Wasteland in Modern when?

>>44703283
CAW Blade lost to Twin.
Guess who's one of the three rulers of Modern.

>>44704139
Nah, in that situation sacrificing Mindslaver is part of the cost, in addition to paying 4 generic mana and tapping it. You pay all of the costs at once, and paying of costs can't be responded to. You just fizzled your DR.