>>44653099 Not him, but it looms pretty stupid when you berate someone for being stupid, when you are the one us8ng the phrase incorrectly. Mary Sue's are supposed to be infalliable all powerful self insert characters. Fan fiction doesn't matter.
>Is the character all powerful? Apparently, impossibly intelligent, to the extent that the tap into system occasionally refers to him as omniscient. Also, in terms of raw strength he's a power player in the high tiers of Ravnica.
>Is the character universally loved? The other guilds regard him somewhere between an insane high int low wis retard and an upfront risk on the stability of Ravnica itself. Standing with the guildless is poor as well, because Izzet is synonymous with wanton destruction even more than they're known for construction.
>Is the character without flaw? Overwhelming narcissism defines him as much as his intelligence and dragon-ness.
>Answer? Not a whole lot more than most other elder dragons in fiction, but Niv toes the line.
>>44655656 But within the Izzet he's like a god. Everyone in the guild wishes they could meet him or that he'd cast a glance upon their work. They designed the guild logo in his likeness. So, if the main story of Magic was about the Izzet guild, then Niv-Mizzet would be the Maryest of Sues. But it's not. He's kind of small potatoes in the scheme of things.
As much as everybody shits on Jace, Jace isn't really a Sue either. He's not well-liked. Gideon doesn't really like him, the people of Ravnica I think mostly see him as a necessary evil, he doesn't make friends. Being a telepath puts people off because he might just be magic-ing them into liking him. Plus his position as the Guildpact means he's often the bearer of bad news. We've seen him fail at physical tasks like climbing and fighting, so he's not all powerful. Even his mind magic has been seen through by Chandra and Ob Nixilis. In one of the recent Uncharted Realms, Nixilis broke his face. Jace has a couple of character flaws, too. Namely, he's a pushover when it comes to Liliana (an ex of his) and is overly proud of his abilities (to the point where he tends to consider himself better than common people and mind-controls them when they don't go along with him). He thinks he's so smart that he went against Ugin's advice and tried to kill the Eldrazi on Zendikar, which according to Ugin would just release them to devour other worlds. We'll see how that turns out. So, all in all, I think Jace is pretty alright. Gideon, on the other hand...
>>44656208 That's no way to talk about Mr. Nixilis.
By the way, Ob Nixilis is one of the best things to come out of Zendikar. >that thousand-year-old grudge >that unyielding determination to dig his way out of his subterranean prison by hand >those centuries of experience dueling and murdering opponents on Jace and Gideon's level before even coming onto the scene >that bloodlust that made him stick around to punch some fuckers when he should have just left
>>44653048 He keeps getting his experiments blow on his face and having to pretend it was part of the plan. And he was beaten up so badly by a Nephilim he had to go hide in the north pole so no one would see him weep like a bitch while mending his wounds.
>>44656186 >Gideon, on the other hand... Keeps trying to help and failing. OGW is his first actual victory. If any walker is on Sue territory it's Nissa. They're even trying very hard to make us forget she was Elf Hitler and the reason the Eldrazi were free, all because she's a racist asshole. Now she's fucking mother teresa with nature powers.
Also, Chandra maybe can ignore the mending. Not too much detail was put into exactly how the purifying fire works, but from what we know Chandra should either be slinging around white magic or she should have lost her spark.
>>44655706 MeyMeymonaise on this bread before heated to 80°c and aeropressed or free based by these picture loving, card mechanic non understanding, land whale, host of the destroyer hive stink having, poser neckbeard, muh special snowflake bitches, and the wotc deserve. >MTG >Lore
The Nephilim chapter fleshed out his vainglorious personality pretty nicely. Nigga loved his own image and couldn't stand the idea of exposing one of defeat, so he ran away like a teenage girl who was abused by her daddy and became a stripper as the result.
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