Is a Necron Tomb Ship one of the most powerful spaceships in modern science fiction ?
Probably not, there's a large number of settings/fictions (often video games, but whatever) that simply do not realise how incredibly OP their shit is, and is only prevented from being OP as fuck by it's plot getting in the way/the OP as shitness never really coming up.
But what do you mean by 'one of'? How big a group are you talking about here, and by extension what do you consider modern science fiction?
I also I just read some shit where clouds of nanobots terraformed absolutefuckingly everything they found in the galaxy to Earth-standard.
How about a Super Star Destroyer versus a Tomb Ship for example.
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>only prevented from being OP as fuck by it's plot getting in the way
I hate how often this comes up, in every scifi/fantasy. You'd think writers would take five minutes to think of future plot implications of super weapons like time travel or teleportation
Blame! has some Tomorrow War levels of high-tech fuckery. Pistols with ranges measured in millions of kilometers. Individuals moving in relativistic speeds. Cities the size of solar systems. Holy shit.
The Gravity Forge builders would like a word with the Lyrixia architect.
They can pull matter from alternate universes to use as building material. I'm sure they could build their way out of it. Or dismantle it for building material like they did to to the Earth and the Moon and everything else they come in contact with.
>super weapons like time travel or teleportation
They can be a bit hard to envision. What COULD a General do with the elemental forces of the Universe at his command? Telefragging, paradoxing or loop-trapping something is just the start.
Utterly annihilated. Necrons use neutron star matter as munitions for their cannons. They also completely ignore armor and can bypass shielding.
A single Tomb Ship is capable of solo'ing or almost solo'ing a Sector Fleet, which is comprised of hundreds of ships that would all individually beat the shit out of a Super Star Destroyer.
>985.M41 Conqueror’s Fall
>The Stormlord’s Tomb Ship Inevitable Conqueror comes under attack by a Black Templars fleet whilst en route to the Sautekh coreworld of Davatas. The architect of the assault is none other than Marshal Helbrecht, come searching for a long anticipated revenge upon the warlord who humbled him on Schrödinger VII. A broadside from the battle barge Sigismund strips away the Conqueror’s shields an instant before the Black Templars’ boarding torpedoes strike home and, within moments, the decks of the Inevitable Conqueror are swarming with vengeful Space Marines. Pride compels Imotekh to stand and fight, but his forces are in disarray and so logic wins out, dictating withdrawal. The Stormlord therefore teleports to an escort vessel and makes his escape. Helbrecht is incandescent with fury at this foe’s retreat, but consoles himself by personally setting Imotekh’s beloved flagship on a collision course with a nearby star, and blasting to smithereens those other Necron craft too slow to flee.
Maybe "one of" in the sense of "possibly within the top hundred." But you have shit like the Culture and the Xeelee, which are so horrifyingly powerful that it's practically impossible to compete outside of omnipotence.
Depends on relative faggotry levels of the individual threads. Culture has a lot more fanboys who will taut Minds and Effectors as the end-all solution to everything, but the few Xeelee fans out there did make some points about time travel and black holes. There's also the issue of the Culture series being significantly lighter on the physics. A lot of their technology is basically plot magic, so the fans can always just say "it works" and it's impossible to disprove them.
Time Lords require a TARDIS
Johnny and Mrs Tachyon needed only a shopping trolley.
In the end Johnny didn't even need that.
Yeah... no. I'm sorry, but every masturbatory space fantasy has to end somewhere, and that's with the Xeelee. I don't give a shit about how fast Minds can think, I don't give a shit about how Gridfire can destroy planets. The Xeelee are several times older than the universe. They have MASTERED time travel. They can traverse galaxies in an instant, use the fabric of spacetime as construction material, and produce hanguns that can blow up stars. With the scales they operate on, it's quite likely they won't even NOTICE the Culture. Like, at all. Throughout its entire existence. More raw material for the Ring, alognside its galaxy and everything in it.
This is a level of bullshittery where the only way to really have "fights" is by bringing in virtually omnipotent, pan-universal civilizations like Q or the Time Lords. Or the Photino Birds.
Nah there are some crazy powerful ships in modern scifi.
That said Necron ships were a lot more powerful when they still had their FTL drives rather than using the webway or whatever stupid shit the Newcrons do.
They don't just need a TARDIS anon, their minds alone are a weapon.
Remember in the beginning, there were magic and gods. The Time Lords didn't like them. So they killed them all and re-wrote the fabric of the universe to their liking.
At what point in time?
Just before or after or during the Reaper War?
Before? Everyone gets raped and the people left are the living servants of their new undead overlords.
The reapers will jump into a meat grinder. They will be fighting the Necrons at their height, an Empire reborn. Immunity to Indoctrination, immunity to fear, weapons like they don't understand, FTL they can't predict, teleportation, immortal warriors.
If it was just one ship and it landed in the midst of the Reaper war it might get taken down if they can ambush it in great numbers. It will take a heavy toll with it.
If after then the same as before but easier.
You missed the part where greenfly did this by making self contained habitation spheres filled with flora and fauna rather than actual worlds.
It used everything else in the galaxy to make these. People included.
They believed they were unassailable. By the time they realized they should stop wanking off and actually do something the Darleks had time travel and it was always too late to have done something.
One of my favorite quotes.
In all my travelling throughout the universe, I have battled against evil, against power-mad conspirators. I should have stayed here. The oldest civilisation: decadent, degenerate, and rotten to the core. Power-mad conspirators, Daleks, Sontarans, Cybermen — they're still in the nursery compared to us. Ten million years of absolute power. That's what it takes to be really corrupt.
The problem with the Daleks was that the Time Lords didn't consider them a threat. They thought they were just another one of those silly little races poking the Time Lords with sticks.
Suddenly Daleks have time machines and reality destroying weapons, and BAM the Time War starts.
Yes. Time Lords don't fuck around. Remember this is the species that was about to destroy all existence itself- every single universe in the multi-verse, infinity itself, to beat the Daleks once and for all with the Ultimate Sanction.
Not even close to being the best in 40k. Nigger your ship aint even lightspeed.
IIRC, Reapers use streams of liquid metal that have kiloton yields. Mind you it stacks fast because it's a beam, but it's not that useful against a Necron ship that curbstomped shit at Orpheus. The only reason the Necron's don't kill the Imperium is due to a combination of jobbing and the Necrons actually wanting humanity to stay alive.
Thing is, it's a beam weapon. It's so and so kilotons PER A PERIOD OF TIME, which the game conveniently leaves out. It's clearly better than what we have today, since it can carve battleships in two like a laser through so much wet tissue paper and make thousand kilometer long, dozens of kilometers deep canyons in planets when it grazes them from twenty million kilometers away. .
No. Only in the frame of reference of 40k is it powerful. One of the biggest fallacies to comparing something across multiple references in the same genre, is that there is no common baseline. You can't tell if a Necron Tomb Ship could adequately take on an Imperial Star Destroyer, or Starship Enterprise, or any of a multitude of ships from science fiction, for the same reason you can't adequately gauge whether or not Smaug could take on Qutezecotl, or Akatosh, or Bahamut, or any reasonably intelligent flying lizard monster. There are simply too many variables, with no common badeline, which is what makes genre arguments like this so stupid.
For a time.
The mind of one at least.
Reaching back in time to try and persuade, convince, threaten, bribe or manipulate humanity in some way from going down the path it went down.
But the thing is that it wasn't until decades or centuries later that they realized that that voice even was some post human plea.
From the point of view of that mind and the society that spawned it the existence of a home world, being one species of flesh creatures, and the entirety of human history as we are now only theoretically existed in some unknowable prehistoric past. It would be like asking us who it was that invented fire. That times about a thousand.
They were billions of years ahead of us and the universe was running out of places to hide in. The chemical make up of the observable universe had been altered to the point that it was now theoretically impossible for any life to ever evolve ever again.
At the end of the last book we see the first stars to get poisoned.
No they can't. Star Wars ships have megaton yields as what we've seen in The Clone Wars show (3d). Imperial ships meanwhile have hundreds of gigatons to teratons when it comes to firepower yields. Necrons are esoteric given that they use beam weapons that ignore armor completely by dissolving whatever they hit and neutron star matter to crumple enemies with sheer gravity force.
Then there's other shit, like Necrons solidifying time.
No, more often then not it's -just- our universe or our timestream. For comparison, not even the Daleks went as far as to annihilate infinity itself and end literally everything. The Time Lords became worse than the Daleks in the end, the true monsters.
Your tears? Delicious.
Star Wars is well in the megaton range. We only see the super-duper firepower coming from the Death Star or Starkiller Base. Otherwise there's no sign of double digit gigaton fireballs anywhere. The ICS was retconned with the rest of the EU.
If it got loaded up with the Celestial Orrery it could destroy the universe. Yes, Necrons can travel through time, slow it down and can teleport short or unfathomable distances. And they have the tech to become incorporeal, so yeah, they could survive the universe exploding.
I recall hearing something about feminine pronouns being used for the Outsider in a foreign language version of the Oldcron codex, but in English the C'tan have always been either genderless or male.
At least when we die we aren't raped and tortured for eternity or turned into war potatoes.
I will never accept how the Time War ends in the post-RTD Whoniverse. It's just so full of nonsense. Like,
now that Gallifrey is sent back to the Time Lock Rassilon and the High Council don't try to enact the Ultimate Sanction anyway?And the Time War is literally fought with lasers and guys in cheap foam armor? Come on.
my ex fucking loved doctor who and got me to watch it, and i guess my capacity for critical thought was somehow blinded by hormones, but i really enjoyed all the current doctor who stuff
then after we broke up i gave it another watch and realized how sub-par it is
The only good thing Moffat did was his changes to the Cybermen, like Nightmare in Silver turning the Cybermen into a SUPER SERIOUS THREAT, which makes sense with the EU. The Cybermen become powerful, rivaling the Daleks if not even surpassing them- but they redeem themselves, and that is why the Doctor never purges the Cyberiad. In the distant future, the Cybermen ascend, becoming disembodied consciousness with god-like powers who renounce their old ways and dedicate themselves to peace.
All that blood, all that death, in the end leads to something wonderful.
Nah, it's more like on the first watch it's really fun, on the second watch it's okay, then as you go back you notice plot holes and really weak writing in some of the bad episodes. Like Love and Monsters.
And yet EoM ships are literally made of steel. (As several Feudal Worlds are tithed for resources to their orbital shipyards) This is impossible to quantify, they would be completely obliterated by single macrocannon hits.
No they aren't. Imperium ships are made out of a combination of plasteel, adamantium, ceramite, and some other unknown alloys. Not that 40k runs on logic either, hence how Tyranids and Space Marines break thermodynamics completely.
Shit like "The lethal energy field that enwrapped it churning soundlessly in the now airless vault" is painful to read.
It's pretty much, "He hit him with a powerfist, in vaccuum." slammed into a thesaurus within the LHC.
I wish that game was good
Oldcron ships didn't, Newcron ships evidently do.
Finding bloated, adjective-bombarded sentences unsightly isn't a mark of illiteracy. Quite the opposite, actually. Any idiot with a keyboard and a thesaurus can shit out a big mass of purple. The mark of a good writer is being able to say much with little, and express complicated ideas with simple words.
Time travel is a trump card to the Culture full stop. I think the issue with the Culture vs. Xeelee fights is that Culture ships are a lot faster in terms of reactions, IIRC.
Is it still an issue if the Xeelee know about Minds aeons before they were first invented, and have made sure to kill anyone who might be involved in inventing them long before that (and compress their galaxy into some bricks while they're at it)?
It's always been too late to stop an enemy that controls time.
I'm pretty sure that thing Galactus cruises around in would fare pretty well considering it was made by a god older than the universe and is as large as a solar system.
No, the mark of a good writer is skating the line between prose and description. It's easy to convey a complicated scene with simple sentences, but it's boring.
Somewhere between 'churning soundlessly in an empty vault' and 'it made no sound bcuz space' is a good piece of writing and its not at either extreme.
That was actually just an incubator but Galactus woke up too early. Black Panther fixed it and now Galactus flies around regenerating dead worlds rather than consuming life. Happened just last month!
Yeah, that sounds about right.
And Newcron ships can get captured by Space Marines and driven by them into suns.
Isn't it fun when the writers completely disregard in-'verse logic because the Space Marines need to go do some cool shit in case we forget who they are?
I mean, the Black Templars spearheaded a successful assault against a giant psychic robot that had control of thirteen hundred systems simultaneously in the new AdMech Codex. Apparently god-beings are allergic to Boltguns or something.
Oldcrons didn't have much lore so you didn't see much stuff like this. However, Newcron fluff has stuff such as a handful of Newcron ships devastating a sector fleet royally.
Or a Newcron fleet laying waste to a huge Eldar fleet many times its size.
>And Newcron ships can get captured by Space Marines and driven by them into suns.
If a ship can be steered via crude physical means - it's possible. Orks could similarly capture an Imperial shit and send it into a sun by crudely overtaking maneuvering jets.
>Black Templars spearheaded a successful assault against a giant psychic robot that had control of thirteen hundred systems simultaneously in the new AdMech Codex
And that was a blatant reference to Foundation series. You gonna diss Ol' Master Asimov? His protagonists weren't even space marines and they pulled it off.
>If a ship can be steered via crude physical means - it's possible.
Well, whatever the method, Helbrecht "personally" did it.
>Orks could similarly capture an Imperial shit
Why would they need to when they have plenty of their own?
I notice apparently a single battle barge was able to strip the tomb ship's shields with a single broadside, so apparently they're not all that tough (at least not in that writer's hands).