>>44578777 You get a lot of weird stories out of Florida for two reasons. The first is that in the interests of protecting the people from possible abuse of power, every official police action has to be made available to the press, aside from personal details of individuals. That means that while weird shit happens elsewhere, it may not be learned about, while journalists may cheerfully take the most bizarre happenings of Florida and throw them up onto the internet for the world to see.
Recap of the last thread: Monsters that live in the wilderness: Dozens of them! Presidents and other larger than life figures. The importance of wars, especially the Civil War but also the Revolution and the Indian Wars, in American folklore and culture.
>>44577677 >Is your aversion to magic based on christianity Yes, but it's specifically American Christianity, where the devil is lord of the unknown and the primal/uncivilized, including hidden mysteries of magic and the wilderness, which is also why American depictions of magic often have it very sexual and/or bloody. At least in the north. The south is actually kind of opposite, with the devil popping up in a nice suit and giving people contracts and deals. Modern depictions fuse the two.
>I heard you guys had crazy witch hunts all over the place. Well, they weren't that widespread but they occurred in our second ever successful colony, which is also the one that yankees treat as the first since the real first was slaveholders and corporate interests together with a bunch of criminals.
>mad scientist Like Edison and Tesla. The more modern idea of the mad scientist kind of resurged because of European nazi scientists, but the shit they actually do in media is all based on those two.
>Was "the Civil War" your equivalent to the Trojan War, the Kurukshetra war, or the Cattle Raid of Cooley on a cultural level? Trojan War is more like the Revolution. The war when America was forged out of it's raw ingredients by great political philosophers and businessmen, as well as the sweat of honest workers. The Civil War is more of an ideological divide given the blood and bones of hatred. Which one is more mythologized depends on where you stand, the north prefers the former and the south, the latter. The West doesn't have an equivalent war, really.
>I feel like the late 19th century is your "once upon a time" land of yore. More or less, but other eras get tied in too. The myths that kids learn in school are mostly from the foundation of the union.
>>44579062 If we're gonna talk about American Folklore, can we include figures like cowboys and astronauts? Those two along with pioneers have a kind of larger than life legendary persona here in America that whatever they were historically and what we actually think of them is very different.
>>44579375 >Overall magic dangerous as fuck and frowned upon America never really depicted Magic as dangerous though. You've got shit like the witch hunts where people are cursing, but that's mostly very early new England stuff. Later on it's deals with the devil. Selling your soul to Old Scratch to get rich, or even more Americanly, betting against him. And the devil is where magic comes from. We've used that on /tg/ before, in Wild Cards.
>>44579446 >>44579460 In the sense that they were the modern day explorer, venturing out into the cold endless void of space. Going where no man had gone before. If that's not reminiscent of earlier American explorers, then what does?
>>44579515 I think the modern conception of satan that we have is a blend of two traditions.
Early northerners were puritans. the devil is very real, very hostile, and waiting to rape/torture/damn us all. He hands out powers to whomever seeks them, in return for pledging their eternal soul to him and attending nightmarish sabbaths. The vampire/werewolf panic from eastern europe spread to north america in a few places at the time. He's like Morgoth or something.
The southern devil is more charming. He's a gentleman, a trickster, a gamblin' man. Summon him at a crossroads and he'll humor your requests with a bet. A wily enough christian feller can get the best of him and walk away unscathed, maybe even with a treasure of some sort.
>>44579590 >every folklore system needs a boogeyman America has lots of boogeymen. People are talking about Satan right now. And Indians were the big boogeymen. Hell, people were worried enough about Indians killing them in their sleep that there's a common saying "Lord willing and the Creek don't rise" meaning "as long as some unforeseeable disaster doesn't prevent it".
>>44579595 Mt. Rushmore appears to be missing a few faces there. Strange that Washington D.C doesn't appear on there though, and Tallahassee is Florida's capital, why is Atlanta there? This map is clearly just a joke.
>>44579642 To be fair, they were a legitimate threat. And often times launched unprovoked attacks just because they could. Tribes like the Comanche were absolutely vicious. At one point some black and white settlers lost it over an indian raid and slapped their shit together.
Reminds me of the medieval English prayer. "And spare us from the Northmen" >>44579673 Puritans were absolutely OK with sex as long as it was between a loving husband and wife.
These people had noisy sex while their kids, parents, and other relatives just tried to ignore it. One room houses and whatnot.
You could even sue your husband or wife for not giving you enough sex.
>you will never prop yourself up with a sword after being shot in the hip and groin so your men don't retreat >you will never stab a murderous subordinate to death with a penknife after being shot >you will never be a one man rear guard and protect your enlisted men with your revolver before tossing it away and fending off the enemy with a sword before riding off at full gallop with a bullet lodged in your spine >you will never mock your former master after returning to his plantation as a free soldier >you will never give a high pitched semi-demonic yells to scare the enemy >you will never turn your foes into ground beef with canister shot artillery up close >you will never have officers named "Bloody Bill", "Black Davy", "Beast", "Spoons", and "Kill Cavalry". >you will never live in the weirdest state and defend a strategically useless location with 1000 college students against over 6,000 trained soldiers in a twisted mockery of Thermopylae >you will never fight in a bloodthirsty unit of criminals and thugs >you will never repulse 7 enemy attacks with nothing but rocks
>>44579242 As a Texan, we've always grown up believing (and I still largely do) that the Devil is a very real being, and he will use every tool in his arsenal to get you to do what he wants.
In human form, he is described as being bewitching handsome and charismatic, even when you know exactly who he is.
He most often uses trickery and guile because most Southerners, even nonreligious ones, have a very strong cultural aversion to submission to anybody or anything besides God, and therefore the Devil can't really use direct force to get us to do what he wants. Therefore, he has to give to get, and he knows that Southerners are suspicious of well-dressed strangers in suits because of Northern Reconstruction, so he has to offer some pretty tantalizing goods to get you to bite for what appears to me a reasonable fee (after all, not only does he actually want something in return, Southerners aren't going to bite on a deal they don't find fair because they'll suspect a trap). Sometimes the cost is small - the performance of a simple and seemingly innocuous task, giving up a random object, etc., and sometimes the cost is quite large like giving up your hands, one of your primary senses, your child, your wife, your very soul. There is always a cost, and the goods you receive will always have a catch attached to them that you won't expect. The main moral of these stories is that you can't outsmart the Devil, you can only refuse to do business with him, and anybody who thinks they can do so will pay a hefty, hefty price and forfeit their soul in the process to the prince of darkness, who does these things for unknown reasons and quite possibly just because it gets him off.
The Southern Devil will try to manipulate you into doing what he wants, and what he wants is for you to suffer.
>>44580023 >most Southerners, even nonreligious ones, have a very strong cultural aversion to submission to anybody or anything besides God, and therefore the Devil can't really use direct force to get us to do what he wants. Well, the theological grounds for this isn't rebel pride or whatever, but the idea that Satan is allowed (by God) to tempt but not to directly persecute.
A mans son was dying after being hit by a drunk driver. He is given maybe two, three days to live tops, and he doesn't know what to do.
A handsome stranger walks in to the hospital room where he and his wife are grieving over their sons body, and says that he's heard of their situation and is willing to help out. He and his associates can not only bring their son back, they can guarantee he'll live to be well over 100 years old to boot. All he wants is one little thing - the "procedure" required to save him "requires the use of the optic nerves of a still-living person to be successful." Your sight in exchange for the life of your child. This is a deal the man is more than willing to pay - after all, he can always get new eyes in the future, what with modern tech advancements and all. The stranger brings out some forms, tells them to sign here and here ("Just some legal paperwork and basic waivers, nothing to worry about") and then tells them they'll perform the procedure in the next day.
After the man wakes up, he asks to be wheeled next to where his son is laying. While he can't see, he can still hear the nurses and his wife marveling over how much he's recovering and how the operation was successful. He tries to talk to his son with tears of joy streaming down his face...only his son can't hear him. His son can't hear anybody. He's now completely and totally deaf. The man saved his sons life and gave up his sight, but now he can't ever see or communicate with his son again. A few days later, his wife is immediately killed in a car crash by a drunk driver, and the stranger appears again. When the man asks if he can help him again, the stranger says, "Sorry, deals already been made. We needed another person to take the place of your son, and you signed the bottom line, as you can see...oh, well I guess you can't see it, can you?"
I just wanna see some robber-baron type baddies running small frontier towns into the ground, and naturally you and your friends are the only ones who can stop them.
Maybe have different types of barons, like oil barons/liches who control corrupted supplies of oil (old Indian magic or somesuch) that can raise the dead? And then combine that with Edward Drinker Cope-style fossil wars to get some bitchin' oil-corrupted dinosaur skeleton undead?
>>44579242 Well, the west had the ... unification? Of California, which was quasi independent for a while. And there was the struggle to get mormons back into the fold, since they'd pretty much taken a huge chunk of the Midwest as their own country, even having their own banks and governance.
But, not true big shooty wars, like the Spanish American, or civil. Etc.
>>44583257 Well, we Californians do have the Spanish Missions, which were solidly-built religious forts up and down the coastline that the Spanish Catholics used as a base to subjugate/educate the Natives. Shit's surprisingly not haunted, probably due to the calming effect of religious tourists, but the Spaniards WRECKED the local population. At least one of the Missions was built by Native men whose tribewomen and children were all being held hostage somewhere they didn't know. Then, when the building was done, they killed the tougher men and threw them off a cliff onto the pile of dead children and troublemaker women, then had the rest of them get their education at the building they made.
Also, not all Californians are giga-hippies. My dad raised me on Paul Bunyan, Pecos Bill, and John Henry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eyu3OIn5A00 The alamo, davvy crockett, jim bowie. You gotta include them if we're doing western mythology. Song related, this is how the alamo is viewed in texas. the alamo is basically america's Thermopylae.
>>44579446 >>44579460 >>44579561 I don't know about you lot, but I've been raised right next to NASA for my entire life (KSC until 8, JSC from then on), and astronauts held an almost knightly place in my mind. Brave wise men and ex soldiers, the finest America has to offer, being sent to where no man has gone before to expand human knowledge.
In this setting I wouldn't put Astronauts as a majorly mythologized group, but could maybe be one in a few cults/local regions.
>>44579276 Well, mothman is either a space alien or more likely an extradimensional being that was sighted multiple times in point pleasant west viginia in the days leading up to the collapse of the silver bridge. He was supposedly sighted near the bridge at the time it collapsed and killed 46 people, but has never been seen afterwards in the area, leading many to speculate he is an omen of sorts, and that he was either trying to warn the people of the bridges collapse or that he in some way caused it to collapse. It is uncertain wether he wants to help or harm people, and what his overall motives are. May be connected to the infamous men in black, as apparently a group of men dressed in black suits investigated the sightings before the bridges collapse, but there presence in the area can not be proven to a degree that would allow us to confirm they were there. Old theores about mothman states he was the result of dumping nuclear waste in the area, but these are now considered unlikely.
Also, anybody know the name of a plantation that is supposedly haunted by the ghosts of former slaves that were tortured, foricbly bred, murdered and subjected to all other sorts of horrible things during the 1800s. It's some where up in like kentuky or tenesee or missorui or one of those states. Not the LaLaurie house though, but similar.
>>44585686 The Mothman Prophecies is an incredible book. It is a must read. It doesn't give you answers, just presents the situation and says "This is the shit that went down, make of it what you will."
>>44584838 >>44584964 Lets make something entirely clear. Even among history buffs, only Texans really give a shit about that one time the Mexican Army whooped our asses. Theirs, if this was after Texas joined the Union.
>>44586321 It's not proven he did that. That theory is the result of the fact that he was seen prior to the bridges collapse, reportedly seen at the bridge when it was collapsing (though these reports are disputed) and was never seen after it fell. There is no concrete evidnce to link him to the bridges collapse or in fact to the bridge at all. We simply have no idea why he was in point pleasant and whether he was there to cause harm or to help.
>>44585686 There's a ghost in a plantation house who only appears to black people. She looks like a kindly old white lady who beckons you to follow her into the secret Underground Railroad. She's pretty benevolent and usually assists lost travelers. They say she still thinks she guides people yearning to breathe free.
>>44585686 >Also, anybody know the name of a plantation that is supposedly haunted by the ghosts of former slaves that were tortured, foricbly bred, murdered and subjected to all other sorts of horrible things during the 1800s. It's some where up in like kentuky or tenesee or missorui or one of those states. Not the LaLaurie house though, but similar. Wut
>>44586451 No that's not it. Did some looking around my house and found the book where I read about it in. A massive 500 page book of american horror stories and folk/tall tales of the scary variety. The name of the place is hickory hill. It wasn't quite as bad as I described (I must have mixed up parts pf the LaLaurie house and this one) but it was still pretty bad, for instance the owner, a Mr. John Hart Crenshaw kept slaves and free blacks he captured chained up in the attic as he waited to sell them. The attic could reach tempatures above 110° Farenhiet. And that's ignoring the forced breeding. All in all, not a nice place to be.
>>44585686 The stories I heard were never about aliens, they were supernatural. They said that the mothman is the spirit of an Indian chief from a tribe that was slaughtered after they attacked some settlers. With his dying breath he cursed the area of the Ohio River Valley and either came back as the mothman years later or summoned it. Wish I could remember what his name was.
>>44586901 Never heard that before. I'll have to write it down. If you could try and rember the indians name that would be most helpful for future reasearch. However that wouldn't explain the non-point pleasent sightings, like those at the twin towers.
>>44586266 The Southern devil embodies African and Native American traditions of a trickster god who will horribly fuck you over if you're an idiot but can be won over as a grudging ally if you outwit him. In Houdoun and in several Native American folklores, the trickster gods or crossroads gods (Coyote, Papa Legba) are the only keys to godly power, and guard them jealously.
Southern devil continues that tradition as a gentlemanly asshole who will rape your atoms with sunlight and gnats for all eternity if you forget to sign your name properly, but will give you a gold fiddle if you genuinely impress him.
>>44587823 >give you a gold fiddle if you genuinely impress him.
More like outwit him. The Devil hates your ass and basically exists to screw you over however he can, any person who deals with Ol' Scratch and comes out the better for it either tricked him or hasn't had the other shoe dropped on them yet.
>>44587920 No, that undermines the trickster persona. The only thing separating a Trickster from a Deceiver is honor. Coyote was a horrible asshole, yes, but if you beat him at his own game he would never renege on the agreement. Same with Southern devil.
And then you have irredeemable cosmic jackasses like pic related.
>>44587949 To be fair to Loki the next step in that chart is almost always "make Loki fix it" which he usually did. In fact even in the stories where the problem wasn't his fault he usually saved the day, or at least helped out.
Have the Stikini already been mentioned? They're basically women that turn into man-eating owls at night, but before they transform they must first puke all of their organs out. Once these are all gone they hang them in the trees and go out to hunt people.
>>44588104 There are a few non-ghost creatures from Alabama. Of the top of my head is the Cat Man, your standard humanoid animal type, and the Wolf Woman of Mobile, who had the upper body of a human and the lower body of a wolf.
>>44579242 >like the Cattle Raid of Cooley on a cultural level?
Well, for ancient tragedy a la the Tale of the Children of Llyr, look no further than the Hatfields and McCoys. I read something like 60% of Anglo-American families have SOMEone involved on either or or both sides of the squabble. Myself included.
>>44589454 >Hatfields and McCoys I don't think people really understand the scope of that feud. It actually contributed to the modern American justice system in several ways, though mainly through extradition law.
>I read something like 60% of Anglo-American families have SOMEone involved on either or or both sides of the squabble.
It operated much like sports teams to my understanding. It isn't as if everyone in the United States is a direct descendant of a Hatfield or a McCoy. It's more the feud attained national prominence for its persistent brutality.
>>44583604 Yeah, lived there for like. ..too many, since the 90's.
But yeah, I don't recall ever getting bad vibes from any of the missions, or the Herse castle. Though I never was at them at night, they're usually pretty well lit since they're big landmarks on the one.
The Winchester Mansion however, I've been there in the middle of the day and midnight, that shit's teh hainted. But, I didn't feel malice, just spewky. The sayance room being the most unnerving because of its bathroom tile feel and no windows. I dunno why but I have always had nightmares involving bathrooms, I guess that room just hit a nerve.
There's some roads way the fuck up north, I can't recall if HWY one or not, that had done really eery feelings at night, but nothing compared to 'Robbers Gorge' CO, that place is just death.
>>44592705 Ever play Fallout or watch a Spaghetti Western (or any western for that matter)
It's The lone wanderer. The man who answers to no one but himself, he makes his way and fights his battles, and when he does decide to step out and help those folks who struggle around him he does so for himself, his principles, or his reward.
Think of Han Solo. the Lone Stranger/Man with no name from the Fistful of Dollars "trilogy." The driver from Drive. The entire Hard boiled detective and Lone Gunslinger archetypes. Maverick from Top Gun (to a lesser extent). Bat Masterson and the Countless frontiersmen like James Bowie.
I can't believe how little has been said about vampires. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-great-new-england-vampire-panic-36482878/?no-ist It's insane that it's so totally forgotten, since it was far more prevalent than witch burning in a far more recent period of time.
>>44593189 see >>44593202 the lone wanderer is a "man's man" the maker of his own destiny. When push comes to shove he's the one who makes the final call. You should see how the heavy theme of self-determination is highly attractive to Americans.
>>44592705 I would say the recurrent heroic archetype in American culture is that of a lone hero whose actions are necessary to save society, but whose actions/nature also make it impossible for them to comfortably live in society, either because they can not accept society or society can not accept them. Everyone is familiar with the Western hero who can't settle down and rides of into the sunset after saving the day, but it still survives in more contemporary settings as well. The more watered down version of this which is more often used in settings where riding off into the sunset isn't really an option is the archetype of 'person who is so brilliant they are indispensable, but who nobody like because of x'.
>>44593592 It isn't an "Americanization" of any particular culture. Heroic archetypes of the loner persuasion exist in all cultures for the exact same reason - when everyone else is sick or old or too busy fixing the hut, the guy who goes out and actually hunts for food or scouts for new settlement locations is the most valuable person. He takes the most risk and generally receives a paltry thanks. The audience empathizes with the person who assumes responsibility for social safety or well-being despite the fact such vocations are generally risky or have very little incentive.
No culture owns any archetype. No country owns any story. It all springs from a human experience that's familiar with everyone because we all, despite what most cultural chauvinists would have you believe, descend from the same type of experiences.
>>44593285 >>44593487 It's a shame, because the "man's man" archetype is antithesis to American civilization as we know it, except in positions of authority. When you have a person who won't take any orders but their own, they can either be a leader or an outsider.
>>44593592 maybe, except the actual spirit of the mythos is different.
ronin are often portrayed as tragic souls who've lost their place, and are forced to wander because of unfortunate societal circumstances. A tragic tale of someone forced to leave the collective.
lone gunman types are usually portrayed as having made the decision to be alone, living by their own rules and generally ignoring society until they are forced to interact with it. A heroic tale of someone forging their own path.
>>44593736 >because the "man's man" archetype is antithesis to American civilization as we know it
No it isn't, dude.
Every election cycle is dominated by candidates of all races, sexes, and political positions portraying themselves as the humble outsider who wants to ride into town and "fix Washington." The Noble Outsider archetype is the most lucrative archetype for democratic Western societies because it appeals to the inherent frustration of public voting.
By contrast, the Wise Leader archetype is more appealing to societies who are inherently less democratic, since the quality of a candidate matters far more than the quantity of options.
And then at the bottom of the rung you have the Invincible Conqueror archetype, who heads every outland hellhole on the planet with brute strength and hilarious appeals to their own inherent perfection.
>>44593916 >Every election cycle is dominated by candidates of all races, sexes, and political positions portraying themselves as the humble outsider who wants to ride into town and "fix Washington." The Noble Outsider archetype is the most lucrative archetype for democratic Western societies because it appeals to the inherent frustration of public voting. Perhaps, but those noble outsiders are shit out of luck if they don't get elected, and it's even worse when you consider the "plebeian" outsiders, those people who just have a hard time accepting authority of any kind and just can't work with society.
>>44579088 >are we gonna stay 1930 and previous, or can we recognize the modern contributions? I'd say mostly pre-90's, but there's room for more modern stuff too, wouldn't be all that hard to make a lot of the modern Cryptid/UFO/Conspiracy stuff fit into an older era(or even some of the less technologically oriented Internet Horror concepts like Slenderman)
>>44579687 neat, this'd probably be the best way to handle an Americana setting, North America rebuilding in the centuries after a relatively mild Apocalypse(severe enough for modern civilization to collapse, but mild enough that information and artifacts of the glory days of America aren't all that hard to find, and Mankind will probably one day reach or even surpass it's old heights again)
>>44593979 There is no "outsider" in a democratic society, there are only varying degrees of political capital. Authority in any context is a personal evaluation every individual makes between perceived benefits and perceived risks. Someone who rejects authority is not a lesser person for doing so, and neither is someone who insists complete authority is the only way to do things right. Each individual has made a personal evaluation between the perceived benefits of authority and the perceived risks.
Someone who "just can't work with society" may be the herald of a new society. Social order isn't a constant.
Also I think one could also get inspiration from Lovecraft and Edgar Alan Poe, both emblematic writers of north-eastern Gothic America, where the cities get something from the "old world" while still existing in an alien and possibly grim Gothic environment.
>>44593189 Because freedom. The ideal of Freedom is kind of opposed to the ideal of hard work, and the lone wanderer character is all the way to the extreme of freedom. Since most people lean in the direction of hard work, which isn't super fun, he's an aspirational character and someone we wish we were.
>>44594771 What? The Lone Wanderer personifies hard work. The Lone Wanderer performs incredibly dangerous tasks and gets very little in terms of compensation for them. The Lone Wanderer is the guy who saddles up and does the things nobody else wants to do.
How can you misinterpret one archetype so completely?
>>44594288 >The Appalachians are Americas most mysterious region in terms of geography and settlements What? What makes them mysterious? They're a lot more known than the Cascades and other northwestern stuff.
>and it;s inhabitants are mainly Irish immigrants. Really? There's a lot of scots there by my count.
>>44594867 So you admit he's less free than the people he serves because he's bound by social contract to perform the tasks?
The Lone Wanderer personifies society's self-correcting nature and tendency. He is the antithesis of individualist - he's a slave to his own moral code (read: society's moral code) and exists solely to set things right within the culture he finds himself in.
He provides real, tangible benefits for others with no incentive other than his own personal fulfillment.
>>44594771 How is The Lone Wanderer opposed to the ideal of hard work? If anything he personifies both hard work and freedom. He travels his own path and lives his own way through grit, determination, and the sweat of his brow, often taking on dangerous tasks for little reward. How does that oppose the idea of hard work?
>>44594940 >So you admit he's less free than the people he serves because he's bound by social contract to perform the tasks? What? Any acts that the lone wander commits that coincide with those required by the social contract are expressly of his own volition, and not for serving society.
He is less a man, and more a force of nature that can talk.
>>44595117 You excise any risk from hard work? The risk of death and injury aren't, to you, the least bit indicative of a difficult task? The American ideal of hard work descends from Calvinist ideals of hard work, which wasn't providing for others so much as it was providing for God. "Hard work" was any task done well to glorify God. Danger and death are absolutely a part of it.
>>44595142 He's not me, but the American ideal of hard work isn't just "do hard work, doesn't matter to what end" it's "do hard work for your family and community". But it also means doing an "honest day's work", or a tiring thankless job.
>>44595196 That's just an introverted citizen! A Lone Wanderer is someone who doesn't give a damn about larger society one or another, but happens to be similar enough to larger society that he's not a problem. He's effectively a friendly/neutral foreign element.
>>44595243 No, it isn't. There are no coincidences in archetypes. The Lone Wander personifies, again, society's self correcting nature. His priorities are society's priorities, his values are society's values. The sole reason the Lone Wander is appealing at all is because he exists in stories where society's values and priorities have been damaged and he fixes them.
Argue semantics all you want. Name any Lone Wanderer character you can, his goals and priorities will always coincide with the goals and priorities of the society he attempts to fix or serve.
IDK if this was posted in the last thread. There are a lot of local myths and legends around america if you know were to look/ have an ear open for them. Here are some that I've come across.
Up in the rivers in/near Kentucky there are stories of Man-Eating-Catfish or at least Catfish big enough to swallow a man whole. My Grandfather told one such a story about these massive fish. Two divers are doing a routine inspection and maintenance check at the bottom of one of the damns (or bridge i cant remember which one it is). One of them notices in the distance what looks to be the trunk of a car slowly opening and closing in the underwater current. Fearing that somebody had driven off the road and into the lake, the pair swim over to investigate. As they get close to it, they realize its not a car, its the mouth of a gigantic catfish resting on the bottom.
There is also the story of Scrap Iron Jack. A legendary giant catfish that is said to have a mouth full of steel hooks from all the attempts to catch him. He is a real popular story around Cattlesburg.
Here are some Local SC legends. Lizard Man - A Reptilian humanoid that terrorized local residents of Lee county.
The Gray Man- a ghostly apparition that appears patrolling the beaches of Pawleys Island warning beach-goers of impending storms.
One final story is a bit closer to me (locally). Lake Murry is an artificial lake created when Lexington Water Power Company (now SCE&G) built a Dam on the Saluda River in the aptly named Saluda River Valley. There was a small town along with a graveyard in the Saluda River Valley at the time that had to be relocated/evacuated when construction was complete. Many building and even an entire bridge now lay at the bottom of the lake along with the graveyard, or at least the bodies are as they only moved the gravestones. We used to tell ghost stories about people swimming in the lake at night being dragged to the bottom my the evil spirits that rest at the bottom of the lake.
>>44595196 Wrong. The Lone Wanderer is beholden to his own moral code which may or may not match up with society's. He's not a knight errant, he is not morally driven to seek out those who need his help, but when he sees things that go against his code he does what he has to do to fix things. No matter the what.
>>44595243 >>44595281 I would say that the idea of the selfish individual who has removed themselves from society and wanders is also a recurring archetype. To the best of my knowledge neither of these archetypes have a formal name which makes this entire argument about semantics with no possible resolution. So unless there's someone here who studied literature and actually knows of a formal name I suggest we abandon the argument.
>>44595189 There's also the ideal of gaining independence through hard work. It's the American dream, the idea that you can earn your own freedom through determination and effort. Work hard enough, be skilled enough and you can make your own way and provide for you and yours without relying on others. It's the frontiersman spirit. That's the sort of hard work The Lone Wanderer embodies. He doesn't just walk his own path, he blazes it through the strength of his spirit and will.
You're both sorta right. The Scots-Irish that largely settled the lower half of the Appalachian chain hail back to both. They were the Scotch protestant dissidents that were originally resettled in Ireland to (1) get them the fuck off The Big Island and (2) pave the way for the Anglicanization of Northern Ireland. As they hated both the Irish they were subjected to and the English who followed behind, they took their first opportunity to fuck off to the boundless wilderness of the New World. As the Irish immigrant waves rolled in, they were pushed back, until they went up into the hills of Appalachia and spent about two centuries creating a distinct culture, but one that hearkens heavily to its roots in Scotland and Ireland.
Come to Cherokee, and you'll see a lot of EBCI with red hair or blue / green eyes, from the centuries of interbreeding.
>>44589534 Tallahassee, Florida was the only Confederate capital east of the Mississippi not captured by Federal troops due to the efforts of a group of volunteers hastily rounded up from among the students at the nearby Florida State University. At the Battle of Natural Bridge, the volunteers (numbering roughly 1000 men), met the 2nd U.S. Colored Infantry and 99th U.S. Colored Infantry (numbering about 6000 men) at Natural Bridge, a spot where the Saint Marks River descends underground for a distance of about 200 yards before resurfacing on its way to the Gulf of Mexico. There, they fought the Union soldiers to a standstill at a cost of only three of their number killed. One Confederate reported described it as a “re-enactment of the Battle of Thermopylae.”
I like the idea of a snipe (as in "sending someone on a snipe hunt" which is a prank you pull on people to make them wander around the woods acting like an idiot) actually being some kind of twisted mythological being.
An urban legend, popularized by "Ripley's Believe It or Not!" in 1931, claims that there is a curse upon the Presidency. This curse, variously known as the "Curse of Tippecanoe", "Tecumseh's Curse" and the "Zero-Year Curse", states that any President who is elected in a year ending in a zero (1840, 1860, etc.) will die in office or have a near miss. It was allegedly placed upon William Henry Harrison by Tecumseh's brother Tenskwatana during the Indian wars and the War of 1812, in which Harrison won two decisive battles against Tecumseh in present-day Indiana and Ontario
>>44598286 >You've been hanging around the wrong Southern churches depends on what flavor of fire and brimstone they're preaching that week. With the whole "gentleman with a tempting, seemingly reasonable offer" deal, the lie is in that it'll go well for you in any way shape or form...it's all about temptation and luring you in. Doesn't have to lie to tempt the flesh.
>>44593592 The Lone Stranger archetype not only predates Kurosawa in its prevalence in American culture by decades perhaps even a century, but is an entirely different character from the Ronin depicted in Kurosawa's movies. You couldn't be more off base. The thing that the lone stranger represents is a highly American idea. A character who embodies that which is self-determination and not the fatalistic kind of character that Kurosawa uses. If you're looking for an interesting Japanese depiction of/take on this archetype you're better looking at the heavily American influenced Cowboy Bebop and Spike Spiegel in particular.
>>44593592 You also clearly don't know anything about the mythos of James Bowie or the American frontier. Which makes me have to ask. Why are you here if you're just going to be a weeb and make completely unrelated comparisons to Kurosawa movies. That's the whole significance of the Man With No Name trilogy. It isn't just a reskin of Kurosawa's movies, it takes on a very different tone and the audience relates to the characters in very different ways.
>>44599615 it was only a sin to the Puritans and those who still believed in the "Puritan Work Ethic", because it represented an easy way out. as society moved west, especially with the Gold Rush, the impetus shifted away from hard work to getting lucky. a deal with the Devil became less about getting screwed by a contract and more getting a good flip of the card. dealing with the Devil was just another way to get what you wanted. it might backfire spectacularly, but so might everything else.
>>44605658 No, more like South Carolina's. Lake Murray is in SC. Pic related is the bridge I mentioned earlier. I don't know about bells being heard under water though.
There are also a few B-25 wrecks on the bottom of Lake Murray. It's rumored that there are five wrecks total, two of which they have fished out. During WWII they used one of the islands for target practice (now called Bomb Island). One of my neighbors actually pulled up one of the practice bombs they used with his anchor. The Bomb squad had to come by and get it.
I remember asking my grandma as a little kids why europeans don't have as many ghost stories as americans. She said
"Well think about it like this. America is pretty young compared to all those european countries. The europe is FULL of ghosts, but it's like when too many people try to get through a door at the same time, no one can squeeze through. The ghosts end up messing with each other more than people. Now in America, the ghosts are lonely and bored"
The police found a garbage bag filled with severed animal parts at the cemetery on my street a few years back. They said something along the lines that there was a cultist influence in our town, then retracted that statement, then ignored the fact that they ever found it.
And the swamped. Legend has it, while taking the erie canal boatmen would dump the bodies of dead mules into the canal. Sometimes they weren't always dead, sometimes they weren't mules, sometimes they don't stay down.
>>44616818 This is what I figured, too. Some weirdo or asshole probably dumped the bag and the original statement was retracted because someone in the department realized how outlandish the claim was. Still a neat story to tell though, and the most interesting thing to happen in town in a long time. >>44616041 >>44616338 If it comes to that, I'll do everything within my power to clean up the satanic scum.
>>44586686 its the whole southern gothic mythos of growing up in the ruins of a fallen empire.
i came down south as a preteen, and grew up hearing stories about blood feuds, haints, haunts, old nick, dead babies haunting thier families during the hungry times after The War, tommy rawhead, singing slave ghost parades with and without the ghost hearses, splitfoot jack, and shitloads of others from the old, old timers who are all gone now. they had family thatt were their old timers that remember the War, and the horrors of reconstruction, which was nothing but a series of lootings and warcrimes by some seriously scummy fucks, and told them the stories.
>>44618265 Bobby's mama would definitely say Bloody Bill
>>44618327 Gen. Butt-Naked is a giant pussy compared to those two. those guys were demons, unholy as fuck demons.
>>44618574 I think a big part of America's lore is being the pariah of the world stage too, we've always been a bit different and a big part of canadian and european culture is ripping on the black sheep of the anglosphere.
>>44588973 SKUNK APE IS A GODDAMN ORANGUTANG WHO WAS BOUGHT BY SOME FUCKING SPIC COKE DEALERS, AND LET LOOSE BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GETTING CLYDE FROM ANYWHICH WAY IS LOOSE, AND GOT MR. RAPE DICK ONCE HE GOT INTO THE COCAINE.
>>44621950 For more info: She thought that the ghosts of people killed by her husband's rifle would try and get her, she then added a ton of rooms and a lot tricks. She added doors to walls. Drop offs and stairs to false floors.
It's like one of those Dungeons that screw with you.
>>44579223 >>44579242 I would say the American Civil War or as some good ol boys call it the War of Northern Aggression was very transformative for America and would be similar at least on a cultural level to the First Barons' war against King John or the storming of the Bastille during the French Revolution.
The American Civil War did not form America as a nation but it did mold it into our modern conception of America. Before the War Between the States America was a loose coalition of states where people were more loyal to their state than the federal goverment. This regional loyalty combined with an attempt by the south to maintain their stratified society and preserve the wealth of the upper class by maintaining slavery and denying African-Americans suffrage lead to the secession of the southern states.
During the War of American Unification the north was required as all successful nations during war are to provide the war effort with a moralizing narrative. This propaganda has now been mythologized in the modern United States with the popular conception of the war being one where America put brother against brother in order to redeem ouselves for the original sin of slavery and create a society where everyone is "equal" at least in our rights and opportunities, a true meritocracy.
TLDR The Civil war did not create America but it did create "modern" America.
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