Eternal /trb/

first for the mighty tuna vessels

second for best, most helpful OP

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wew

Welp I posted in the wrong thread again..

Also: Flight home got cancelled

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fucking come on

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What else do I have to do to score for fuck sake?

I had 18 fucking shots.

Will dropping my striker who is missing a lot for some shitdick even be worth it? He is by far my best technical striker, but he's not hitting the back of the net.

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>about to beat previous seasonal assist record
>in november
uh

>>77555304

How do I find a creative outlet like that?

Do I need to be looking for players with high flair, vision, teamwork and passing? Because I'm getting shots away like mad but they're not of the highest quality apparently because non of them are finding the back of the net and my finishing on my st's is high for my league.

Also, is that Gribbin the United youth academy player?

>>77555300
You do know that IRL, crosses are garbage to score? Unless you have a striker able to dominate in the air, you're not going to score quite often from these.

>>77555300
>>77555331
Most of these shots are long range garbage too. You have a penetration problem: you can't get inside the box. It could be anything: shit players, shit understanding of tactics, shit tactics, an opposition that can defend well against that crap, FM magic.

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>>77555331
>>77555342

So my main issue is creativity? Is that how I'll fix penetration?

These are my two most creative players. Using him as an AP-A

>>77555356
>So my main issue is creativity? Is that how I'll fix penetration?
I wouldn't have any idea, I don't have your save so you figure out before you get sacked. What I can see is that you can't consistently create good chances, or at least good shots from within the box.

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>>77555326
>Also, is that Gribbin the United youth academy player?
Yeah he is, grabbed him on a free and despite rotting in the United academy for a few years he's pretty decent.

I've got a similar problem to you at the moment. Getting 30+ shots out but only 10 or so will be on target. Brought him in because of his free kicks/corners where he's getting most of his assists (and all of his goals) from.

But yeah, vision, decisions, passing and first touch are always what I look out for.

>>77555300
Since you're having a lot of poor shots try turning on Work Ball Into Box. You can also instruct invidual players to shoot less often.

>>77555425

Just tried an Enganche in a 4312 and it worked out pretty well.

I'll stick with it for a bit I guess

Ok, I just "bought" fm 17. Tell me, which set pieces (esp. corners) are the good ones this year? I'm too lazy to do the testing and usually there is one that's just the best regardless of the quality of the players.

>>77555608
Can't answer your question unfortunately
But did anybody get defensive corner counters to work? I want to set it up like:
>one defender on each post
>4 zonal markers
>1 lurking outside the box
>3 staying forward
To let my keeper dominate in the air, pick the ball up and start counters, usually with an advantage.

I've got it theoretically just the way I wanted, didn't concede much more, and the players were setup in a way that they could get 3v2 or even 3v1 regularly, but they never took advantage of it.

I see the same sometimes in regular play on counters, both from me and from the AI, almost seems like a bug the way those situations are handled sometimes. No matter what the instructions you surely should take quick advantage of a 2v1 with half the pitch to work on?

>>77555608
what do you mean by "bought"?

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>league rival rejects my £15m bid for one of their midfielders
>accepts a bid from a Saudi Arabian club for £8m

>/trb/ FANTASY FOOTBALL LEAGUE
https://fantasy.premierleague.com
1115999-268304

>removing it from the OP post

>>77555860
>Does not want to sell to a rival
Every single time.

>too lazy to set up training.
>too lazy to set up set piece.
>too lazy to buy backroom staff.

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>mfw end of season free agent firesale

>>77555934
You should try FIFA17 mate

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>First even Thai regen from my affiliate
>Casual
And the rest is trash. After this generation, the Slovenian NT will go to shit 100%.

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>Watching the AMC you developed lead Arsenal to the first place in the Premier League

Godspeed, Ali Saad

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RIP

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>Start pre-season as early as possible
>multiple players complaining that pre season training started too late

This game, man.

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>>77556174
>starting pre-season a week before first cup games
>multiple players complaining that pre season training started too early

Such is life in Finland

>>77556195
>multiple players complaining that pre season training started too early
Time to sell.

>>77556141
surely you're a little Saad to see him gone

>>77556216
why

>>77556234
because he's quite a good player

Ali-ven go as far as to say he's pretty great

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Quite honestly, I thought I would lose that match. And I'm still pretty upset at what happened.

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>>77556174
4 u

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>>77556174
4 u again

>>77556327
When did you get faceinthegame?

>>77556343
what's the meme

originally his name was marcela cancelo

>>77556349
"faceinthegame" players are just like other regens. In other words, mostly garbage.

Does it make a difference in gamespeed if i move my user data folder to a different harddrive?

>>77556459
While FM is somewhat faster on SSDs, the difference is marginal. FM loads about everything when you load a save, so there's not much gain from using a SSD.

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>>77556302
>Losing 3 out of 4 wide midfielders before a CL match
Clockwork.

Would using the 2D match engine over the 3D one reduce the amount of power my processor is using?

>>77556609
Based 3-4-3 Diamond and home bias to the rescue.

>>77556665
If you have a garbage GPU, perhaps. It's still worth it to use it when you're building tactics as you can see much better who is doing what, and how your team plays overall.

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>>77556732

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>Madrid
>Needing a creative DM
Jej.

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>>77556755
>Wasting a 5-2 home lead
>Neverkusen
I'd resign and commit suicide.

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>Clasico
>Manchester Derby
>/arse/ just like last season
>Implying rigged

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jeez best 19 year old i have ever seen

>>77556732
I see, I only ask because my CPU fan is dead.

>there are people who think Iniesta is still worth a higher wage

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>Retires one year earlier than TSSSUUUUU
Sad!

>>77557158
Don't play FM. FM basically is nothing but CPU related bar the few 3D parts that are GPU related. CPU speed is the lone factor in FM performance bar none.

>>77557158
get a new cpu fan before your processor melts you div

>>77557249
>playing style: long
really makes me think

>>77557249
Do kits, face packs and those things slow the game down?

>Sacked for poor position
>Is 4th
>Finished last season 7th
He got sacked because he wanted the seat at Olimpija more like.

>>77557298
If you're playing on a fucking toaster there's a chance. Else, not really. More players and active leagues slow the game, View-Only leagues have basically no weight; work on that instead.

>>77557320
>>77557298
And by complete toaster, I mean if you struggle to have 2 or 3 leagues on at the same time. In which case a facepack is the last of your worries.

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>>77557320

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>>77557320
>>77557329
I see, thank you anon, you're the best! I don't think I have a complete toaster, I can run 5 or 6 leagues and 50k players and still get 3 stars on performance, so I'll download the facepack I think.

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>>77557425
>3 stars
Step it up. All other countries in the world on view-only of course.

Tony Pulis is about to reveal his dream team.

According to leaks Cristiano Ronaldo and Rory Delap are in it.

Thoughts?

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You've got to be shitting me.

>>77557485
>Fast winger and tap-in merchant
>Set-piece meme
>Pulis
No surprise.

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>>77557503
>Sucking your Captain off that hard
You HAVE GOT to be fucking kidding me.

>>77557478
How long does it take to load up a save?
Also >kosovo
>montenegro
>estonia
>latvia
>thailand
Do you actually get any good regens from those countries?

>>77557411
>Arena Petrol
It's now Arena Z'dežele

>>77557543
>How long does it take to load up a save?
I don't count that crap. However I did delete the non-skippable videos.

>Do you actually get any good regens from those countries?
Estonia, Latvia, Thailand, Lithuania, Japan and Bulgaria just are the countries in which I have affiliated clubs, so I loaded these leagues. I've had good regens in the intake from Japan and a decent AMC I bought from my Bulgarian affiliate who's rotting in the U19s for the time being. Then I loaded all ex-Yugo countries because they're in the neighbourhood of Slovenia. I had a decent DM from Kosovo at the start of the save. There are other reasons for the rest of the countries.

Is it really cheating to edit up my facilities/youth recruitment several levels if I deduct the cost from my budget whilst doing it?

Waiting 17 years when we have £20m in the bank seems dumb

>>77557711
>Please let me cheat
No.
Teams would rarely skip several "levels" because maintenance costs would increase substantially and its far from reasonable to assume you won't immediately be relegated and have tighter budget restraints again at least irl. Of course in FM ultra LLM is easy as fuck so you know back to back promotions is far more likely than getting relegated again but at least advancing facilities is in line with real life expectations.

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>Gabriel Jesus scores
>Italian LB provokes a professional foul
>Gets also sent-off an hour later
Calcio/10.

>>77557711
Yes it is, even if it's indeed garbage mechanics so I don't care about you doing so.

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>>77557821
>39 years old
>No Missi in the surroundings
TTTTTSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUU------

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>tfw you scout every U19 player the big teams in Europe release because even the mediocre ones can immediately be used as backup in Ireland

>haven't lost a match in two years
>get a question about not changing my tactics
gee I wonder why

>>77558060
>Be on a 120 (!) win streak
>Journo asks me why I don't play a striker instead of another one
Why the fuck do you question what I do.

>>77558084
Because its his job.

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Now losing would be quite shameful. Gelsenkirchen have been pumping quite the money those last few years.

>not allowed to sign foreign players
>still only have 80% domestic bias

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>Personal matters
>Personal matters
Fuck's sake I'm just here to see the new stadium with my name on it in a year, nothing more.

>>77558253
>Nerman encouraging a move for "Dizzying amounts of money"
checks out

>>77558155
It also would be shameful because of
>Schalke

So, good luck :^)

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>>77558833
That's what I meant to be honest. I lined up a 4-2-3-1 for the first time in... a year or two IRL or something. For some reason, almost every big team in Europe uses one or a variation on it (DMs for Farça) ; the notable exception is Real Madrid's Antonio Conte and his 3-4-3 Wide.

Now onto Man Sheikty, who also uses a 4-2-3-1 Wide.

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You fucking cock sucking lipped asshole, you're fucking retiring this season, leave my fucking club alone.

Fuck the stadium, not sure I can take more of that aggravation.

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>instant resulting

>>77559100
Imagine scoring 5 goals and still losing. The guy even looks furious.

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Man Utd lost the title on the last match day.

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>Intl Duty stronger than a CL final
Absolodisguso.

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>>77559315
Eventful. Now time to go onto the meat of FM: contract and transfer negotiations!

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I can't wait to have competent strikers again

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why is there no option to say "okay man no problem"

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>>77559746
hahahaaha

>>77559769
This is why you always play hardball and don't give in to whiny faggots.

>>77559769
Fine him for being spineless.

>semi-pro (not england) but can't offer anything but non-contracts
bug or feature?

>>77559892
Finances?

>>77559956
dunno I'm tempted to make a split save and test it, edit the money to millions and see if I can offer them then

>>77559892
It's normal if your club is very poor.

>>77560051
cheer

Why does reddit downvote me when I say that Iniesta is no longer worth his current wage?

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>add two extra tiers to the country than vanilla fm offers
>don't lose a single league game playing them
what a waste

High chance we get relegated next year too

>>77560304
Can't wait to start my French 9th division save

>>77560341
The ai doesn't get amateur contracts

Like they're as good at identifying good players as me but they won't ever sign as many, they stop at like 4 whilst the player is signing 10 or so to replace the whole team.

I still want to do something like a super low tier turkish save some day but I'm worried it'll just be too easy

>>77560139
more then um club

>>77560304
>>77560435
The AI in lower leagues is just a worse version of what is available in higher leagues if that's even possible. Same with small countries: there's no fucking way I win over 120 matches in a row (including CL yes) if I were managing in England, Spain, France and the likes. No bloody way. At the very least the Cup+League Cup combo in certain countries would see me struggle more often for fitness and rotate somewhat less rather than having two teams: one for CL and one for the league.

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You fucked me over when I agreed to a sale this winter by telling me that you wanted to stay, and now you go unhappy on me. Good riddance.

>>77560567
IIRC there was something on strikerless or the like about how the AI is actually pretty good but that most AI managers have shit attributes and growth so they never become competent

>>77556836
Never Ever Ever Ever Ever EVER

>>77560617
There's also that certain tactical philosophies can't be replicated in FM; or at the very least can't be without thinking deeply out of the bow. Mourinho always does well (bar a few exceptions) because simple direct football and breaking legs can be replicated easily, while Guardiola is consistently shit. FM can't replicate Conte's 3-4-3 either (and honestly he finds jobs out of reputation just like Pep in my saves), nevermind anything more complex that that like Bielsa-like tactics or Cruyff's 3-4-3 Diamond.

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So much for winning the CL thrice in a row. Maribor and Olimpija consistently qualify for the CL group stages, then are happy to get BTFO and get 6 losses in a row while sitting on huge stacks of cash and never, ever doing anything with it; nevermind the pitiful performances of EL clubs.

>>77560725
>FM crashes upon that
The irony.

>>77559242
>unbeaten but still not champions
JUST

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Well happy for him but he's garbage.

>>77560725
>>77560567
Why is the AI such shit.. I'm thinking about making a save where I make every manager in the world have all 20's as attributes in the editor, so it's like every team has a human player controlling it.

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>>>/sp/bet/

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w-what? is this common in fm 17? they all want a transfer

>>77561173
HOPP SCHWIIZ
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>>77561173
>neverlands making it to the euros, let alone the second round

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>Offer 1M€
Savage.

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>>77561231
>>77561173

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I hate non-contracts, it's impossible to keep anyone

>>77561451
YEAAAAAAAH

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>>77561601
>>77561451

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Eh, that's terrible value but considering he leaves for free otherwise...

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Who /fuckdefending/ here?

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Considering I've been a dick to him by sending offers left and right, he takes it pretty well.

>fans feel a keeper who conceded 20 goals in 30 games may be a poor signing
fuck off

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>>77561418
I unsettled him rather easily considering it wasn't my intention at all.

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The board voluntarily moved from a 10k seater groundshare WHICH WE PAID NO RENT FOR to this joke of a stadium

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>>77561837
Oh wait, 28M€? Heh, I'll let the manager deal with the morale hit thank you very much.

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Share a shitty newgen

> low determination character
> left foot only as a right-sided wing back
> can't dribble
> can't cross

Pathetic

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>>77561652
Oh yeah, that.

>Katanec performing thanks to the players I've developed/converted to Slovenian citizenship
I just want him to fuck off, not to pull this off and stay for another decade.

>>77562162
>newgen

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>>77562175
He's 61, surely he won't stay there for another decade. FUCK THIS GAY SHIT-

>got a budget of 3k pw
>players want 2k each
ahh

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>Played the final of the Euro for Portugal
>Is called for the Olympics
>Can't pull him out but can pull out is Iranian teammate
10/10 Man Management.

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Never had this happen to me before, what a little bitch.

>>77562623
kek, can't you talk shit about him or something to udermine his popularity?

Why are some club values at 0 in my ligue 2
Like 5 of them are
Does that just happen when a club has really insecure finances

>>77563231
might be takeovers or something

there's 4 clubs in my second tier valued at 0 and they're all professional

>>77563264
Hope so, I'd hate to have a bugged save for some reason

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An actual dwarf. When he nutmegs a player he can probably run through their legs, after the ball.

>>77563350
Think thats the smallest player ive seen

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>>77563363
This guy

>>77563388
>france

>>77563388
>danny small

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>>77563200
I cant. He already dislikes me due to the consistency at which I pull out my players when I can.

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>>77563363
I'm not sure if this is real or a data entry error

I signed him anyway just to see it in the match engine

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>>77563530
wow

>>77563555
He's got a facebook: /daniel.kariti/

he looks kinda small, can't tell for sure

>>77563497
The worst part is that you're probably a big part of his success.

>>77563578
I'm responsible for the four most reputable Slovenian players (one of which has been sold since), three more NT players are at my club including a sub GK (because you don't just bench 30+ year old Oblak), and two more were at my club. Plus one FB that's on the fringe due to players being better than him in his position according to the AI (which I disagree with since he's very balanced instead of being a pace+tackling monkey, but whatever).

So yeah, if he could send me his pay check I wouldn't mind.

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>get promoted without losing a single game
>fairly deep cup run
>become less attractive to sponsors
based us

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Holy fucking shit, did we choke. I don't even know what to say, besides fuck Dundalk and fuck my players.

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Reaching the final of the CL as an expectation, hun? Well I sold the best player in the world (bar Dollarumma), so expect disappointment. My contract ends this season anyway.

>>77563899
Dundalk are a hard beast to crack. Stick at it. They usually lose half their squad to the Championship/League 1 or contract disputes within a few years, sign the best Irish players they can afford from the league and become a consistent threat but never the beast they start out as.

Next year, FM will be having Cork vs Dundalk be an insanely difficult top 2 to crack. Looking forward to the challenge.
That is, assuming FM doesn't underrate Cork AGAIN
Cork is better than Dundalk last season, this season, and FM is yet to reflect it, but we'll see.

>tfw Drogheda is forever a yoyo in FM now, accurately reflecting our real life situation
>tfw we've lost half our squad, the manager doesn't play our best XI, and is intent on playing a 5-3-2 despite the fact our defence isn't good enough to park the bus to get a result, and we scored 1 goal in 8 games earlier this season
I just need to vent somewhere about Drogheda we're in such a mess

p.s. Bray is so criminally underrated in FM.

>>77564173
>I just need to vent somewhere about Drogheda we're in such a mess

That sucks. In the save they got relegated last season and ended mid-table this season.

And I think I may hate Bray more than Dundalk, they beat me in the last game of the season. If we had tied, the title would've been ours. The good thing is they got relegated, I beat them in the Senior Challenge Cup final and got their manager sacked so I'm a bit less pissed.

Team talks are fucked up in the Champions League playoff stages, it's like your talking about both legs in the second game.

If you win 5-0 away and lose 3-0 at home, the players get upset if you criticize their performance.

>>77564303
>That sucks. In the save they got relegated last season and ended mid-table this season.
Yeah that's what's happening in real life basically. We're 9 points away from safety with 8 games left this season, and we've been shut out in literally half our games.

>And I think I may hate Bray more than Dundalk, they beat me in the last game of the season. If we had tied, the title would've been ours. The good thing is they got relegated, I beat them in the Senior Challenge Cup final and got their manager sacked so I'm a bit less pissed.
That's the thing I don't get with FM. Bray is good and always a bitch to play. In real life, they're competing for the Europa League and were 2nd for a while until Dundalk picked up from their bad run of form. But they never act as such in FM. FM also massively underrates Limerick who were the best team to every grace the 2nd division and are firm midtable in real life, but they're yoyo because >newly promoted. Fucking SI scouts.

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Am I going to get sacked french anon? I don't understand what I'm doing wrong. I'm creating fuck all and conceding so easily.

>>77565583
Depends what your board's expectations are, but it looks likely that you'll get sacked. If you do get sacked, upload a save a couple of matches before the fact on Zippyshare or something, I'll look at it later it's night right now (and there's tennis too).

>>77565656

I'm so depressed. Hold me.

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Dude, where's your agent?

How long can I go with my PC fan being dead? A new one is coming the day after tomorrow.

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>CL quarter finals against Juventus
>lose 1-0 in Turin despite outshooting them
>Return game
>We score an own goal after 50 seconds

What even happens if I get sacked? Do I have to start a new save?

>>77566222
You.. get sacked. Fired. You can either look for a new job within the save, or start a new one.

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I really don't understand Spain/Portugal and their offspring insisting on insane naming customs, and then ignoring them completely with nicknames.

>>77566056
Depends on how hot your CPU is running.

I think Forest might have been too high of a club to start at.

When I get sacked what kind of team should I look for?

>>77566410
>I think Forest might have been too high of a club to start at
Not really, they're a mid-table Championship team which shouldn't have too high expectations (besides not being relegated). You could go down the divisions to find a smaller club with no expectations.

>>77566410
Depends on how high you set your rep at the start of the game, if you set it low, you might be looking at League 1/2 teams being the only ones who'll even give you an interview.

>>77566410
Pretty much anyone who will have you if you have shit rep, if you have a decent reputation then you can be a bit picky but obviously can't just sit around waiting for one specific job to open up when it could be years and they might reject you anyway.

If I send a player out on loan with an obligation to buy and he's on an expiring contract do I get paid or will I get fucked over? I'm suspicious because no one will buy him outright but several teams have offers equaling his value if it's a loan agreement

>>77567293
They won't buy
They never do

>>77567340
Even if it's mandatory instead of optional?

>>77567514
Is that even a thing? Thought it was only option to buy

>>77567514
Mandatory?
I had no idea such deals existed

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how can i fix my african slowboi

How do I evaluate how to play against opposition effectively?

Like, based off the pre-match analysis, how do I take that information and set up against it?

>>77567672
You get him tutored.

>>77567567
>>77567573
In the loan clauses there is an optional future fee and a mandatory one, I feel like it's a dumb question since it says mandatory but the offer doesn't make sense at all for them

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Well this would be a really interesting year.

How have I only managed one shot vs 10 men who are constantly attacking me?

What the fuck am I dooooooooooing

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I have no clue what I'm doing.

I've spent hours reading shit and watching videos at this point but I'm sat dead fucking last in the league and I create jack shit.

So fucking frustrating.

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This is easy.

>>77568749
Its a grind but if you persist its worthwhile

>>77568749
Everyone gets sacked a couple of times before they get it.

>>77568840

How do I not create anything though?

I'm playing a 4132 vs 10 men and I'm using retain possesion, fluid, work ball into box.

What the fuck is going so wrong that I literally cannot create anything?

>>77568887
Retain posession and fluid don't necessarily increase chances created. Post tactics.

>>77568887
Try dropping retain possession. Its tough to tell exactly without seeing it in action though.

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>>77568968
>>77568960

I'm about to start streaming it because I'm so lost.

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>>77569153

I messed with the TIs in game to try and exploit their 10 men. I went to fairly wide and retain possession and a higher tempo since they were sat so narrow and deep.

I pushed 1 WB into attack and the other to support to recycle possession in midfield

>>77569153
>>77569195
Since you play without wingers you should use wing backs instead of full backs. I'd also have both of them on attack so they push higher up the pitch.

You should tinker with your front three until you find something that works. I'd probably change the deep lying forward to something more attacking like advanced forward or complete forward, since you should have no problem linking up with your attackers.

Also I'm not so sure about roaming from position.

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>>77569431

My wingback options are a fucking joke.

>>77569586
pls start streaming it

>>77569586
You should still play them. And I don't meant the wing back position, but full backs with the wing back role.

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>>77569667
>>77569431

Made the changes you suggested and I saw an immediate impact. Thank you based Finlord.

DLF into AF
FBs into WB - S (would be attack but all of my options have poor attributes)
I even threw my DLP-D into a regista after the first goal and he was immense.

>>77569617
I think I might, but my mic isn't very good and so you'd hear a lot of raging in poor quality

Would this be a retarded tactic for when shit hits the fan and I neeeeeeeeed that goal in the last 10 minutes? Velios is 6'4 with jumping of 16 and heading of 15.

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>>77570777

home, back to fm..

>>77570783
It does look retarded alright.

>>77570783
you could drop mccormack back into an attacking midfield role

Lads whats the link the fantasy epl group?

I need to fucking draft a team still too...shit

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> "There isn't a suitable reason to hold a team meeting"

Bitch, will there be one, when we lose 5 in a row and fuck our season up before it even properly started?

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>>77556016
>Portuguese clubs give away all their talent for free

>>77571862
Except when they ask for 30 millions for every 18 year old kid. Got blocked off a FB like that.

>tfw I signed racism's 24-year old Kenedy for Rangers, and while he's one of my best players I can't play him because he can't get a work permit (no caps for Brazil) so I have to loan him to Belgium where he's doing really well

Is there a chance he'll get a WP without international caps?

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How come when I play counter attack, I literally get 1 counter attack the entire game?

>>77572065
Because that tactic is awful. You're trying to tinker with the tactics too much. Just stick to what works.

>>77572065
Because you are closing down so little that you will get only a few counter attacking opportunities. And when you get the ball, you are retaining possession, which isn't exactly counter attacking

lol@retain possession

But nevermind instructions, positions, gameplans. Just make sure your tactic is familiar ffs. Decide on something and stick to that until it's 100% familiar. You can download cheat-tactics from the net and still lose if your players are only half familiar and on top of that have bad morale.

>>77572087
I have no fucking clue what works. I'm dead last in my league.

>>77572095

I literally just read for an hour that retain possession draws the opposition in as they get frustrated, which then will trigger a counter.

For fuck sake.

>>77572148
Think with your brain, don't read shit, unless it is from guidetofootballmanager. Most people have no fucking clue about the game, even people who write blogs and get praise half of the time are completely clueless. Try to experiment yourself and think what stuff would/should do.

>>77572065
For every button you click you need to ask yourself "why am I doing this". And look at where the bar ends up more than what instruction you pressed

You've made a super slow and defensive possession tactic with no central midfielders to pass the ball and instructions that mean your front 3 will never get the ball

If you're trying to use wingers and a DM start with what the game calls 4123 DM wide in the preset formations and tweak it from there.
If you're trying to use 3 out and out strikers you'll probably have to play a flat 433

>>77572148
Simplify. Pop out a 4-4-2, give them proper roles, instruction, and maybe some player instructions as well if it seems necessary.

If you're feeling a bit defensive try a 5-3-2, with either three CMs or 1 DM and 2CMs. You might end up losing, but by very little. Just keep a fluid + counter mentality, if it's still too much set it as defensive until it sticks.

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>>77571841
Lads...

>>77572148
Don't try anything fancy. Play some simple formation with mostly basic roles and couple of instructions.

>>77572254
>just do a 4-4-2
yeah if you want to give up control of the centre totally

>>77572244
>http://www.guidetofootballmanager.com/tactics/tactical-styles this is where I read retain possesion while counter attacking

>>77572249
I'm going to try and stick with the 2 wingers, 1 striker. I just went 4-5 vs west ham with 10 men.

I'm getting confused about midfield roles and defense in a counter attack mentality. Would I not want to sit deep and play with DMs?

>>77572254
I thought the whole point of a counter attack mentality was to get the most out of a structured shape since I'm defensively vulnerable?

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How am I not fucking sacked yet

>>77572292
Ok so don't read anything at all then ever. Everyone goes full retard over this game.

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>>77572292
ok uh

think of mentality not as styles of football to play, but as the amount of risk your team is willing to take

contain = very little risk, defensive players defend at all costs, support players will be more defensive, and attacking players will be defensive
standard = balanced risk, defensive players play more defensively than average, support players will have average mentalities and attacking players play more attacking than average
overload = lots of risk on all players, defensive players will be attacking, support players will be attacking, and attacking players will be attacking as FUCK

so when it says "counter" mentality this doesn't mean you are playing counterattacking football, it means your players are playing with a low risk mentality, so they'll be more likely to play it out slowly and won't make risky passes generally

maybe give this a go - tell the goalkeeper to distribute quickly

no guarantees it'll work my man but it's a start and it's way less retarded than anything you've posted so far :^)

this tactic should in theory have 3 players staying fairly high up the pitch to be available as options for the counter - the two wingers on attack duty and the advanced forward on attack duty

you can try sitting deeper if you'd like but on counter/defensive mentalities you already sit a little deeper than normal anyway

experiment and see what works man

but keep it simple

>mitch giving advice
but he's an idiot

>>77572417
if you can disagree with any of the points i have made then feel free to pick apart my argument

>>77572148
>I literally just read for an hour that retain possession draws the opposition in as they get frustrated, which then will trigger a counter
You really should have used common sense on that one. How being more like Pep helps you counter?

OTOH, if the opposition doesn't care about dominating you by keeping possession or/and staying in your half of the pitch, would you try to counter? You really need to watch the matches properly: if the opposition plays hoofball, you won't counter jack shit. Counter is different from playing direct football.


>https://community.sigames.com/topic/401273-what-is-team-shape/

>>77572402

Thanks, I understand it a bit better now.

What about shape? Can you give me a (((quick run down))) on that too?

>>77572450
I keep linking you to this, you don't read it. >>77572442

>>77572450
read what frenchbro linked mate i can't explain it any better than that

while you're at it go read every one of Ozil to the Arsenal's posts on the SI forums

you might learn a little

https://community.sigames.com/profile/214007-%C3%B6-zil-to-the-arsenal/?do=content&type=forums_topic&change_section=1

>>77572442

Yeah, it was retarded as fuck. Bit by bit I'm getting it, I'm still a long way off though

>>77554884
tfw no Jair

>>77572402
But these wingers don't stay up far up the pitch with the attack duty, that is not what the attack duty does. That shit only happens in attack, not when transitioning. If he wants them high up the pitch he needs to place them higher up the pitch. Because formation is only defensive positioning.

>>77572459
>>77572442
>>77572456

I want you both to know that I love you, and I look up to both of you.

Thank you.

>>77572515
They'll be high regardless when attacking, they're Wingers. Else I would be playing a 4-1-2-3 DM Wide, and I play a 4-1-4-1 DM.

You have until the Arsenal/Leicester kickoff to pick a team and enter the /trb/ league in FPL. Hurry up if you haven't already

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>>77572515
this >>77572528

>>77572524
don't look up to me i'm shit and everyone hates me for my success

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>>77572528
>>77572544
I wouldn't really call this "high up the pitch"

>>77572544
Everyone hates you because you are the worst kind of attention seeking tripfag

Still better than that stannisfag, I give you that

>>77572544
>everyone hates me for my success
That must be the only conceivable reason, yes.

>>77572577
Considering the team in yellow doesn't have the ball, they're exactly where they should be.

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>>77572607
I was talking about the defensive phase, but the same shit applies in attacking, in theory the guy should make a run in behind, he just supports.

>>77572534
woah that's a lot of people

>>77572625
I wouldn't want him to make that run because we're in the middle of the pitch and he's not marked specifically, which gives him space regardless of making the run or not... unless you use absolute slowpokes as >wengers.

>>77572639
Aren't we talking about guys staying forward in defence to aid a transition though?

>>77572697
>Aren't we talking about guys staying forward in defence to aid a transition though?
I'm talking about the yellow team. But whether a guy stays forward or not is more linked to team shape (as well as certain roles like TM, RMD, Poacher, Treq...). If you use a less fluid shape, he should concentrate on his duty and role more rather than dropping down and helping defend.

>>77572726
Yes we are talking about the yellow team out of possession because I quote:

"this tactic should in theory have 3 players staying fairly high up the pitch to be available as options for the counter"'

Do you want me to change the mentality to very structured?

>a bid comes in for a player
>re-negociate slightly
>the club walks away
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>>77572758
If you want attacking players to focus on being attacking and forget about defending, then a more structured approach would help. Not necessarily "Very Structured", but you can tweak it and see what happens.

However, there's no fucking IRL team in the world, even those who play counter or direct football that defends with only 7 out of 10 outfields the way it is in FM where if on Attack duty, the AML/AMR don't defend at all; which creates issues especially in FM17 due to the gigantic half-spaces they leave in their backs especially(2) with the 4-1-2-3 DM Wide. None. So I would question that approach, but works in FM.

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>>77572817
highly structured, 3 is in line or even behind the CM's. In line with 10 would be the "attacking" position to take. It doesn't matter if there is an IRL team in the world that plays like this, that is not what the argument was about.

>>77572459
>>77572456

French anon and mtsc2, I read the Ozil thing (I've read it a few times before, but every time I read it again I figure something else out or have new questions)

So, he mentions that he's playing a team he's not expecting to have possession against, so he chose counter attack as he expects them to be constantly attacking(?), and this gives him a conservative, defensive mentality to cope with this bombardment(?), and then he can customize an attack by using roles on specific players to influence them to stay up, rather than conform to the defensive mentality.

Here are my two questions now.

1. How do you accurately assess whether you're going to have possession or not?

2. Why would a counter attack mentality be relevant to that? - Can't you just have an attacking mentality and then tailor the defence instead of tailoring the attack like he did?

2,5 (I guess) What would be the benefit of either?

>>77572928
To me they're where they should be considering where the ball is and where their fellow teammates are. Any lost ball can be switched to the other flank where #3 makes the run, forcing the opposition to track him, which opens space on the other side of the pitch.

>>77572958
ok but it doesn't matter if that is where you want them to be, the thing that matters is if they stay forward on an attacking duty or not. which they don't. He would probably take the positioning in line with 10 if you moved him up one line in the formation editor.

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>>77563350
>5'2
>Leadership: 18

>>77572954
>How do you accurately assess whether you're going to have possession or not?
You look at their manager and see his chosen playing style. You look at the scout report, you could also look at the competition stats to see if they like to possess or not.

>Why would a counter attack mentality be relevant to that?
He most likely expects that by giving them the ball he'll be able to trap them in their backs.

>What would be the benefit of either?
A question of viewpoint.

>>77572979
That's a 2 metre difference at most, which to me is completely irrelevant given the aches of space he has. Unless he's an elite Canadian wingerman who can't do anything but run or jack off, in which case where he is on the tactical creator won't make any difference.

>>77573023
but the 2 meter difference is actually very relevant to the whole discussion we are having right now, which is that if attack roles change the defensive positioning of a player.

>>77573023

>Why would a counter attack mentality be relevant to that?

>>He most likely expects that by giving them the ball he'll be able to trap them in their backs.

But how does a counter attacking mentality give them the ball compared to an attacking mentality? Is it to do with closing down? Because if so, couldn't you just tailor an attacking mentality to have less closing down and achieve the same thing?

I'm trying to figure out what a counter attacking mentality with a tailored attack gives you compared to an attacking mentality with a tailored defence.

Can't you make them the exact same using TIs alone?

>>77573044
>attack roles
Mentality. The big difference between a winger on ML position and AML position is exactly one mentality point: 16 instead of 15.

>but the 2 meter difference is actually very relevant
No, that's nitpicking on a single situation where you though he was two metres off. Play the whole match and look at the average positioning instead.

Why would anyone play anything other than a direct rigid 4-4-2 with a big man fast man combo up top?

>>77573063
>But how does a counter attacking mentality give them the ball compared to an attacking mentality?
It's more cautious, so you're less proactive with the ball (AKA take less stupid risks) and tighter while defending.

>I'm trying to figure out what a counter attacking mentality with a tailored attack gives you compared to an attacking mentality with a tailored defence
It would change the overall mentality of your team: an Attacking mentality makes your whole team more proactive. So it doesn't work that way.

>>77573094
Because SI quality.
>https://community.sigames.com/topic/381957-wingers-too-wide/

There must be a good reason why about 10 years in my save, the most successful teams play a 4-2-3-1 Wide/4-2-3-1 DM Wide. Perhaps I'm paranoid.

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>>77573064
What else do you want me to do?

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>>77573064
Here is the average overal positioning.

is now the best time to buy fm? is it worth the cost i.e has anything really changed since fm16?

>>77573120
That never was about attacking and supporting duties, that never was in doubt.

>What else do you want me to do?
Me? Nothing. The original argument was that wingers don't stay high enough on the pitch, which I dismiss an a non-issue compared to the space they give in their backs while they still have loads of attacking space to exploit themselves.

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>>77572954
go take a look in the tactics creator at what happens when you change team mentality

you'll notice that on different mentalities a lot of things change in the background - more attacking mentalities see less time wasting, higher tempo by default, higher defensive line by default, more direct passing by default, more closing down by default, higher width by default

think about what these instructions would do to a team - if you're a weaker side than the opposition do you want your players trying to close down more onto them when they will just pass the ball around you until they draw your players out of position enough to open up some space that could lead to a goal? do you want your players playing with a higher tempo and trying to create chances out of nothing when the opposition is more defensively solid than you are and thus less likely to make positional errors, or do you want your players taking a second to survey their best passing options and thus actually retaining the ball for more than 2 seconds at a time

bear in mind that counterattacks are not the only method of scoring you want to have as it's possible that if you're up against somebody like mourinho who will score 1 goal then stick 11 men behind the ball, you won't have anything to counter off of in the first place

technically speaking you can set up an attacking mentality to play with a counterattacking style - tell the team to sit deep and close down less or whatever - but if you do that you have to remember that the entire team will have more attacking mentalities generally, which will lead to more risks being taken, more support duty players making forward runs and potentially leaving holes in your defence. do you want to be leaving holes in your defence against a better team? probably not

>>77573153
What the actual fuck

How much or how little should you use individual player instructions? Can too many additional PIs end up hurting you?

>>77573116

Ok, think I'm kind of grasping it now.

Which leads me onto my next question..

What the fuck does a support role do then? Does it just balance their mentality? So they'll go where needed? If they're needed in attack, since they're balanced they'll go attack and defence the same?

Can you explain the importance of support roles? Especially in a cautious counter attacking system? Would it not just be best to put them on defensive? What will they do on support?

>>77573161

Just saw this post, thanks again for the clarification. I'm understanding bit by bit.

I think you've just answered my question about support roles.

>>77573253
Only do them if you need them.

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>>77573265
>>77573161
>>77573116

To clarify, On Ozils post, I'm not understanding what the significance of the support role is.

What is the purpose of having support on the right side (pic related)?

If I'm understanding correctly, in attack they'll get forward during that transition and provide numbers up top.

In defence, they'll get back and provide numbers in the defence.

This is achieved through a neutral mentality, which is achieved through the support duty.

Am I understanding this correctly?

>>77573253
Unless you have a very specific idea about how certain players should be playing, I wouldn't start out with giving everyone tons of PI's. Especially not to capable, creative players. There's no need to limit them, if they're actually not doing anything wrong.

Edit them accordingly if you see a repeating pattern that you don't like - e.g. your midfielder constantly shooting from distance and not being very successful - Shoot Less Often. Think of PI's as fine tuning, make sure that your formation, mentality, TI's and shape are set properly first.

>>77573253
>How much or how little should you use individual player instructions?
If you want a player to play a certain way, you tell him what to do.

>Can too many additional PIs end up hurting you?
There's no definitive answer to that question. If you play some very retarded stuff well yes perhaps.

>What the fuck does a support role do then?
Exactly what it says on the tin.

>So they'll go where needed? If they're needed in attack, since they're balanced they'll go attack and defence the same?
Not necessarily, it hugely depends on their role and duty. A AM(S) or AP(S) doesn't get very proactive in their movement and will focus on liking up plays for example. Changing duties not only affect their mentality, but also their PIs.

Even playing on counter, a Support duty is required because someone needs to feed those counter attacking players balls to exploit. Y'know, like how Benzema always serves the soup to CR7 when the Real plays more direct.

>>77573294
That's because he wants two of his players to focus on counter-attacking while the others will provide link-up play, backpassing options: AKA Support. If he had two Wingers on Attack (which is doable but anyway), they would barely defend on a Very Structured team shape. And as I wrote earlier, there's no team in the world that defends with only seven outfields out of ten.

>>77573349

How do I know when my counter attack tactic is failing?

Pic related, I paused it. My attacking winger seems to be very deep, never in a position to spring a counter.

GK - Quick distribution, clear to right wing.
TI - More direct passing, pass into space, low crosses (manlet CF with good movement)

Should I switch to a possession system at this point considering I'm letting them have it yet I have 52%?

They're playing very directly too.

>>77573577
>How do I know when my counter attack tactic is failing?
You already seem to have the answer to that one: you have the ball.

>Should I switch to a possession system at this point considering I'm letting them have it yet I have 52%?
If they play direct too, I personally would favour a balanced approach to prevent counters.

I have a couple of noob questions too: under what circumstances should I check the Use Tighter Marking TI and is a Stopper-Cover defensive pairing more effective with a high line or a deep line?

>>77573151
It ran a shitload better for me so was well worth it

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>>77573608

Yeah, I didn't create shit.

I don't know what went wrong.

>>77573675
>under what circumstances should I check the Use Tighter Marking TI
Generally when your team is quick enough to cope with the opposition's players. Else, they'll just slip through.

>is a Stopper-Cover defensive pairing more effective with a high line or a deep line?
High line, but you can very well play the offside trap with a high line for which you can't really use Cover duties. Depends of your defenders and the opposition's attacking players. I personally don't exactly like the Cover duty.

>>77573713
Upload your save on Zippyshare or something, I don't know what the hell you're doing honestly.

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Hey Morz, would you look at that: my Lithuanian affiliate made it to the group stages of the CL!

Aside from that, fuck Manure.

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>>77573713
http://www.guidetofootballmanager.com/tactics/playing-styles
just play simple football you faget

>>77573727
http://www84.zippyshare.com/v/1oK6AqhP/file.html

pls no bully

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>>77573819
>pls no bully
Mitch will tell you that this is impossible.

>Wasting points on player knowledge
Huge mistake. That's why you have scouts. Same goes for GK coaching or Fitness Coaching. Useless. Discipline, Motivating, Man Management: that's where it's at. That's also what matters for your coaching staff.

>>77573968
Well, fuck. Is there any way I can reallocate points or is it too late?

>>77573968
You forgot determination.

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>>77573968
That squad. There are too many players notably in the central midfield, and most of them are decent. I would've shot down a few loans to concentrate on what you already have... if we were in a transfer window. Meanwhile, the squad could use a better ML/AML and far less strikers.

>>77574033
Too late.

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>>77574046
Oh yeah, that. Of course.

>>77574033
Also, your midfielders aren't exactly technically poor technically. On the top of that, outside of pic related, all your strikers are slower. Why the fuck do you want to play counter in such conditions when you have exactly one striker fast enough, and he isn't even particularly fast?

>>77573968
>>77574033
The effect of the staff attributes is fairly marginal so even though the spread is bad it's not why you're losing and definetly not worth restarting.

>>77574050

Yeah, I wasn't sure of who to let go, or what system was suited to my players or anything of that nature, so I kind of kept everyone.

I ended up signing two free agents, one defender and one midfielder who never sees any action.

>>77574088

Worth restarting if I get sacked?

>>77574084
I have no clue what I should be playing. Seemed like every goal scored against me was a counter so I figured if I couldn't beat it, join it.

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>>77574130
4-4-Fucking-2. That 2.5 Star can-only-run faggot goes in the reserves and Ross McCormack plays on the left wing. He's a AMC who can't play as a MC and I have no need for him in any other position.

Dude, just use Robben's Wicked Wings tactic.

>>77574186

Alright, provided I win this game I'll rebuild. (if I lose I get sacked)

What 2.5 star guy? The defender?

>>77574130
>Worth restarting if I get sacked?
Yes.

>>77574186

And, if I'm doing 4-4-2, is it gona be TM / AF?

Out of Velios and Bendtner who do I use?

>>77574231
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