Most blatant system babby in NBA history?

>>65092941
>1 on 1 defense doesnt translate when you move players to other teams

filtered and reported

>>65092958
Hey man it was just an opinion. Please undo your report.

Literally the best non big man defender since mid 90s Pippen/Payton

What does that even mean OP?

>not tom brady

>>65092941

Man NBA fans are dumb

>>65093310
What NBA team does Tom Brady play on?

>held Lecuck to 6 points when he was guarding him
>system babby

>>65092958
>>65093089
>>65093469
>>65093684
>great defender = great player

Casual fans, everyone.

>>65092958
/thread

>>65093863

You don't know shit about basketball

>>65093873
A player who you cannot build around offensively is not a great player.

>>65093310
Actual kek

>>65093881
kek he's averaging 20 PPG you retard

>>65093881
Bill Russell much?

>>65093903
Because he's a system babby.

>>65093310

When did timmy brady play in the nba

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>>65093881

>>65093913
name one other beneficiary of this "system" ever then

>>65093881

>20 PPG on 50% shooting
>can't build an offense around him

You are literally a retard about basketball

>>65093916
He played with mj in the southern California mansion league

>>65093907
>>65093917
Completely different eras. Not comparable. None of us have even seen him play, and we always shit on him for being a meme selection in people's top 5 for people trying to look like knowledgeable basketball fans.

>>65093932
>ywn bet skins golf with MJ & Brady

>>65093930
>20ppg in a highly-structured Gregg Popovich offense.
No, you're the one who has no idea what you're talking about. He is a system babby.

>>65093922
Every player who has ever played for Gregg "The GOAT coach" Popovich ever.

>>65093950
>Every player who has ever played for Gregg "The GOAT coach" Popovich ever
So mj was a system babby for having a better coach than bird or magic?

>>65093917
>>65093907
Actually, I'm going to change what I said. You CAN build around a great defensive player, provided they are a big man. They can anchor your defense. Being a great perimeter defender is good and all, but no matter how great an individual perimeter defender is, they aren't going to make your team great defensively on their own.

>>65093974
That's a strawman argument.

He's objectively the best player in the league, you memer

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>>65093974
>Phil Jackson is a better coach than Pat Riley

>>65093950
If he's a system babby why is Aldridge being poo

>dominates with literally any combination of players of the Spurs roster

The absolute opposite of a system babby. We're not talking about Steph Curry here who falls apart when Draymond Green isn't on the floor to provide illegal screens.

>>65093863

>defensive player

>the best two player in the game
>50% FG, leading the league in 3-PT%
>posts, has a midrange, can shoot

Lol look at this dumb casual who thinks it's still 2013

>>65093950
>Every player who has ever played for Gregg "The GOAT coach" Popovich ever.
is that why proven superstar lamarcus aldridge with his career 19.2 PPG average is averaging 15.2 PPG rn you memer?

>>65093950

So retarded you probably voted for Slowbe Cryant

>>65094031
give him a break, he just started watching the NBA this year. Clearly and asspained GS bandwagoner. Anyone who actually followed the NBA knows the Spurs don't even keep the same "system" for more than 2-3 years at a time.

>>65093950
i agree that the Spurs offense allows people to be offensively efficient, but they also play at the 25th lowest pace in the league. because of this, im sure he would average 20ppg basically anywhere else as well. if spurs were fast paced like in previous years he'd be at a 23-25ppg clip easy. hes also by far the best defender in the league, leading the league's #1 defense, #3 offense and overall #1 team. They've won something like 12 games this season by 25+ points. I don't think he's the best player in the world, and I don't think even at his peak he will reach LeBron at his peak or hell, even Kevin Durant's insane MVP season, but he's an elite player and has a good chance of winning an MVP some time in his career.

>>65094027
He is a role player who can shoot well. He's not a true offensive threat. He can't really create his own shot. No team is looking at him closely on the scouting report. He simply gets the most goodness out of Pop's system because Pop likes him the most (for good reason, of course).


>>65094033
I did because I am a Laker fan and a Kobe fan and he has given his heart to the league. Coaches vote for the best players. Fans vote for who they want to see. Problem?

funny because virtually every other superstar is a bigger system babby because their system is "just let the star take 100 shots and do whatever he wants even though it hurts the team and we'll never win a championship"

aka Melo, Harden, Kobr, Dirk (except the one year they actually win the championship - that tell you something?), etc.

>>65094082
>Kobr
>Never win a championship

>>65094081

>He's not a true offensive threat. He can't really create his own shot.

Again, call me when you've watched an NBA game since 2013 dumb casual.

He's killing teams while on the floor with lineups mostly made up of guys like Mills/Simmons/Marjanovich/Anderson as 80% of the other team's defensive focus.

>>65094081
youre basically saying scottie pippen wasn't an elite player. if you honestly think that, then i can at least accept your point, even though it's still really stupid.

>>65094095
you mean the years when they didnt' go on the chuck system because they had a dominant efficient big man / big men that shot 50+? Ever season Kobr has been the crux of the offense they've never won a championship.

>>65094081

>Laker's fan
>Literally doesn't know shit about basketball

I guess stereotypes exist for a reason

>>65094081
my dog, do you watch basketball? a role player who can shoot well? He shoots well and plays elite defense my man, that is what superstars do. have you seen the sickass turnaround jumper he started shooting this year? he's also a beast at transition offense. He's elite, and he hasn't hit his ceiling yet. Be scared.

>>65094108
Difference is Scottie Pippen lead the Bulls to the ECF and almost to the NBA Finals. I'm not sure that Leonard could do the same.

>>65094137
Leonard could lead any team to the leastern conference finals.

>>65094106
System.Babby

>>65094108
Except Scottie wasn't just a great defender. He was a great offensive player as well. He is the reason we have the idea of a point forward. The Bulls were still a very good team without Jordan because of him.

>>65094081
Kawhi's been working on getting his own shot this season, though it's still in progress since this is the first year where they've really started asking it of him. He's can get to the basket pretty well or can also take the midrange baseline. Only problem is he still has difficulties with double teams when he's committing to driving

Guessing you haven't watched him much this season, but you will see tonight when he torches the lakers en route to another 20pt victory

>literally shooting over 50% in a system 20 ppg
>people believe if you run the offense through Kawhi that he's gonna drop off his PPG somehow
ayy lmao this meme

>>65094143
It wasn't the Leastern Conference in the 90s

>>65094144
>your casual is showing

You build a system around a great player, not the other way around. The Celtics is what you get when you try and build a system without a great player.

Not to mention the Spurs system now is basically "let Kawhi and Aldridge dominate" and only playing the pass-happy system from 2013-2015 when they're out of the lineup.

>>65094143
Not if he was playing against the teams of the 90s.

>>65094137

Psst spoilers: He already did. And won finals MVP.

>>65094176
>he already led his team to the ECF
Do you watch NBA?

>>65094184
do you? The West is far harder than the east and he won a championship having to go through a much harder path than baby Bron.

>Lelbron
>Supposed greatest player of this era and supposed best SF of all time

>Kawhi is already halfway to his Finals MVP and Championship count despite being in the league for 8 years less

>>65094188
Lebron has four MVP titles, two championships, and has been to five consecutive NBA finals

Leonard went out in the first round last year against the Clippers

Leonard will never average 27 7 7 for his career, he will never be Lebron

>>65094176
He didn't lead them to the WCF. That's like saying that andre iguodala lead the Warriors because he won the NBA Finals MVP.

>>65094201
Lebron has lost way too many playoff games in embrassing fashion to seriously make this arguement.

>>65094231
If Lebron was on the Spurs he'd have won more titles than Kawhi, Leonard will never be on his level, especially with Popp, Duncan, Manu and Parker inevitably leaving.

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>>65094170
Modern Western Conference is also very tough. I would also argue being an elite defender is harder in the post hand check era.

>>65094231
Leonard also hasn't had to play 5 on 1 in the playoffs either. I mean the first time he went to the finals in 07, it was basically him vs the Spurs.

Biggest systembabby ever is Duncan. Kawhi is actually one of those players who would be decent anywhere.

>>65094260
I don't anyone is saying that the West sucks. They're just saying that the Eastern conference in the 90s isn't the eastern conference of today. Leonard is a great player but he's not going to will the Spurs to a finals.

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>Lebronfags so btfo that they don't even post in the general anymore
Shook

1. Lebron
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Oscar
5. Jordan
6. Russell
7. Hakeem
8. Wilt
9. Bird
10. Shaq

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>>65094276
Fair point but I would add a "yet" to that last statement.

>>65094279
lebron is gettin another ring this year m8 he'll defeat spurs

great defense isn't a result of any system tho. sure he'd probably score less if he wasn't on the Spurs, but that whole spurs team barring Duncan would be out of the league by now if not for Pop

>>65094296
1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Bird
4. Kobe
5. Kareem

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>>65094347
you mean
1. MJ
1. Kareem
1. Duncan
2. Magic
3. Kobe
4. Lebronze
5. Bird

True goats muscle their way to the bucket and hope for a foul amirite

>>65094327
>great defense isn't a result of any system tho

JUST

>>65094275
Duncan would've been good anywhere. It's just that you;re too young to remember duncans hey day. His longevity and continued usefullness at this age are a product of the spurs system. However young duncan (his first couple seasons) was just a raw talent with good court vision. If he had gone to anywhere he would've developed into a great player. However him being a cog on a team that can win a title this year? That's all on the spurs.

>>65093647
Jazz

>>65093922
Tom Brady

>>65094823
Nope.

Kareem couldn't rebound our care enough to play D. Duncan is no where near my top 5 & Lebron is my #6.

Lebitch would have 0 rings if not for Miami's system. Is he a system babby?

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>>65092941

>because there is a system in a team, everyone on that team must be garbage without it

This is either the shittiest bait or the dumbest actual opinion I've ever seen

He IS the system in San Antonio. It doesn't work without an elite 1v1 defender. Although as an added bonus, he's also a highly efficient scorer who can drive as well as create his own shot from anywhere on the court, and also a talented passer.

>>65095029
seriously. I think underage b&s think the way the Spurs played from 2012-2015 was the way they've played forever. The entire Spurs offense for the first 6 years of Duncan's career was basically

>Get the ball to Duncan and let him dominate
>occasional kickouts to the 3&D guy

and when Parker stopped being a liability, letting him create a little.

>>65094201

>Leonard will never average 27 7 7 for his career, he will never be Lebron

by your reasoning Lebron is inferior to Oscar Robertson. Except even the Big O never played in as embarrassingly an easy conference like Lebron does.

>>65094201
>Lebron has four MVP titles, two championships, and has been to five consecutive NBA finals
In the weakest conference in NBA history for his career, and only winning after joining/poaching two of the very few legit franchise all-stars in said weak conference. And has still lost twice as much as he's won in the finals.
>Leonard went out in the first round last year against the Clippers
And Lebron was beaten so badly by Leonard that he fled back to Cleveland. Leonard also plays in the West where there are actual playoff teams. 7th seed in the West would be 1st in Lebron's conference, and his Cavs wouldn't even make it out of the first round most years. Also
>2-4
>advanced stats

>Leonard will never average 27 7 7 for his career, he will never be Lebron
That's because he doesn't see the need to stat pad and plays something called defense.

>>65094027
>the best two way player
>who is Jimmy Butler
>who is LeBron James

if leonard had to lead a team in shots and be the number 1 on a less stacked team how would he fair?

>>65093930
im not sure if you know what a system is

>have trip
>be casual and not know it

trips everyone

>>65092941
>another team has a system to stay good for a long time!
>outrageous!
probably just an LA fan jelly that the Spurs actually have a system and plan for the future while the Lelkers play games just to let Kobe take a victory lap and get as many cheers as possible.

>>65096548

>Lebron James
>defense
>year of our Lord 2016

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

And Butler's efficiency is no where close to Kawhi's, although he's the only perimeter player whose D is comparable.

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>calling the greatest two-way player of the last two generations a "system babby"

you should be banned

>>65096650
butler's also in a weaker system that relies on him more than the spurs rely on kahwai

i think thats the point op is trying to make. put leonard on a team where he leonard has to carry the majority of the load and you see a different player

>>65096675
this makes literally no sense at all. playing defense doesn't mean you can't be a product of a system or stacked team

>>65096650
Yeah, I knew some faggot would find a way to criticize the players I threw out there. Anthony Davis and Chris Paul are also better two-way players than Leonard, though i'm sure you'll have a problem with that too

>>65096728

>being a product of a system or stacked team
>system baby

This is not what this means

>>65096437
The big o played in an embarrassingly wimpy league to begin with

>yfw just now realize spurs fans are just as delusional and casual as laker fans

>>65094200
A similar statement could be made about kawhi being on track to surpass Jordan as well

>>65096752
>that stacked team that runs a system designed for that stacked team
>not what it means

wat

>>65096650
When it comes to defense, kawhi>bron>Butler

Prime bron is probably roughly equal to leonard tho

>>65096796

If the player can be transplanted out of the team and perform effectively/at the same level, they're not a system babby

>>65094081
>I did because I am a Laker fan and a Kobe fan and he has given his heart to the league. Coaches vote for the best players. Fans vote for who they want to see. Problem?

How enormous was your shit eating grin as you typed this?

>>65096836
He's right though.

Wow, i never thought a troll thread would inform me about and make like and respect a player so much. I guess thanks OP?

>>65095689
>Lebitch would have 0 rings if he wasnt a manufactured superstar like Jordan who's allowed to travel and push his way to the rim while simultaneously drawing fouls

Ftfy

>>65096855
Still have the grin m8

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Tim Duncan is better than Kobe Bryant

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>>65097000

>>65096996
The LeBron v Jordan argument is over desu. It was over the minute he lost to San Antonio in the Finals.

>>65097023
>I rank kobe Bryant top 5

Lefatmanfedora.jpg

>>65097023
Tim Duncan has thrived in Pop's system. Greatest PF of all time either way, but he doesn't have five rings without Pop.

>>65097047
>He fell for "only the finals matter" meme.

>>65097057
How quickly they forget...

>>65096824
so you're just going to assume his productivity wouldn't slip on a less stacked team outside of his current system? everyone looks more pedestrian when they leave the spurs.

>>65097047
There was never an argument to begin with m8

Can someone show me a video of LeBron hitting a clutch game winner to seal a finals victory?

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>>65097070
Tim Duncan is better than Kevin Garnett

>>65097097
Is KG better than Dirk?

>>65097149
His prime was better. Careerwise, no.

To bad Charles Barkley never got a ring

So underrated. He never really had a team around him, except for those few years in Phoenix.

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>>65092941
>1/10 for making me reply to your obvious bait

Here's your (You), faggot

>>65097088
LeBron effectively did this in Game 7 of 2013 Finals. People always forget how legendary that Game 7 performance was because of Ray Allen shot in Game 6. Lebron was amazing that game, easily one of his best 5 games of his career.

that's not draymond green

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>>65097585

literally goat

Five better two way players than Leonard:

- Chris Paul
- Jimmy Butler
- Lebron James
- Anthony Davis
- Draymond Green

You can't compare the roles of the men I listed within their respective organizations with the ultimate system babby (Leonard)